Mailbag: Rickie Fowler, Justin Rose, and the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 2: And when I find my.

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Speaker 3: Ball in a fried egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Egg, Friday Frida Egg Bride Egg.

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Speaker 1: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. We are back with a mailbag podcast with Kyle Nathan. It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, long time no talk. Got a lot of good questions this time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of lots of travel recently, it's been cutting into my time to do podcasts.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, you've been all over the place California playing some real good tracks.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, I've gotten some good golfing and uh now I'm hunkering down in Chicago winter kinna. Just I find I looked at my output last week and because it was my first full week like in at home, and I was like, God, it's so much easier to get stuff done when you're not traveling. Oh yeah, how do your member guests go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You were grinding?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, grinding. It was a lot of fun. We played okay, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was an awesome member of guest, so that's it. Carlton Woods is a really cool place. They had a good format, you know, the good night stuff, and it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Did you win, no, god, no.

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Speaker 1: We we I don't even know. It was so it's not a match play, which normal member guests are. It was. It was a really cool format. It was best ball for nine each day and then a modified all shot for nine each day, obviously handicapped. You know, I think we did okay. I don't know what we actually finished in our flight, but I love that format.

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Speaker 2: It's so much.

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Speaker 1: But nine hole matches when you have the handicapped events are like impossible because you get one down and you're giving someone shots, You're like you've lost. You know, you lose the first hall, You've almost lost. But in that format there's definitely a room for you know, blow ups potentially on the alternate shot, and it's just it's it's different. You never I never play alternate shots, so I had a lot of fun playing it. I wish there was more stuff.

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Speaker 3: Alternate shots kind of hard. There's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is. You don't want to be the one that missed the four foot or you know, I chunked a chip on this part five. That was cool. We were right next to the green in two and I just laid the sod and hit it like six feet. Sorry, Bud, that was good. But yeah, you're right. You don't want to be the one that hits that hit that shot. It's kind of excruciating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot different. Did you watch much golfers.

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Speaker 1: Fall, you know, sparingly? I I watched a lot more football than golf. To be honest, it's hard for me to go all year with golf, which I mean these guys joke about the five day off season. But at some point I'd like to see the PGA Tour actually do an off season because I mean, I can't imagine playing it let alone. You know, it's hard to you know, sometimes in the Asia events, it's cool because it's on at odd hours that might stay. But then I think when they get back, they should take a break for a couple of weeks or even you know, a month or two. But you know, to me, this season doesn't really start till the Coppolua.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there is the false stuff is just so some of it's contrived too, you know, like the Asian swing is is good, and I understand the grow growing the game, like a broad aspect of it, but like just giving guys free FedEx cup points is like contributing to the problem of like, you know, it's so hard for new guys to keep their card and there's so few spots. But like then you just give all the veterans a bunch of FedEx cup points to start the season, you know, and limited field no cut events. Now like people will say, oh, nobody will show up. Well, Like originally I believe the fall events were to get the lesser known guys and the young guys start, you know, right, And now it's become kind of like the opposite where it's a easy way for veterans to feast on FedEx cup points.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just load load the boat some points earlier in the year, and you know, then you can coast when you actually have to play full fields.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so and then the young guys never get starts.

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Speaker 1: So do you have big takeaways from the fall season so far?

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Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, uh, you just see, like I mean, Paton Kazire, I thought he was gonna win something last year.

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Speaker 2: He's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've talked about him to me quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: You're a fan, Yeah, he's I mean he was, he's I think I'm the same ageism. Maybe he might be a year younger, but I you know, back when Golf Week was great and you'd get those like the Big Golf Week. You go in there and you could check all the scores from all the tournaments. I mean talk about that was that was awesome. And then you know you'd see his name all over stuff, and I know he had struggles early in his pro career, but then he wins the.

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Speaker 2: Web dot Com you know moneyless, Like I mean, if you I feel like if you win the web dot Com Moneyless, you're You've got a lot of talent and you know that game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have the ability to to win a lot.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting to see after getting a.

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Speaker 1: Win what happens.

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Speaker 3: And I mean lots of stuff going on. What do you think, you know, Tiger, what are you expecting?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? It's what's crazy to me is reading the comments on his you know, every time he tweets, reading the comments and like people have the most unlike they really actually do have the most unrealistic expectations of him, Like I almost feel bad for the guy. They're you know, like, oh god, he's gonna you know, Augusta, it's over. He's won it. And it's like but you know, as you know, I'm sure everyone listens to this, and you know, and I know that. I mean, it's if he wins a tournament this year, it would be incredible, you know, it just won. I mean, hopefully I'm wrong and he wins eight. But I would be really surprised if he won a tournament, and in this tournament he played well last year. It's it's a fairly easy by tour standards, So I wouldn't be surprised if he showed some flashes of brilliance. I mean, it's still Tiger Woods. I don't I don't think he'll contend, but I would. I wouldn't be shocked if he threw a sixty five up there, sixty six something like that. How about you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I think it's a huge win if he makes twelve.

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Speaker 2: Starts this year or ten, right, look at like Patrick Cantley.

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Speaker 3: I think he made like eleven or twelve last year, and you could tell like he was being very careful with his back. I mean, if he if he's in contention a few times, like, that's great, Like it's what it was, it Ben, I mean, the amount of years since he's really played competitive golf has been.

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Speaker 1: When was the last time he was or Sedgefield? Right, that was the last time he was in contention?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean that was he hadn't made many starts that year. I mean it's that was what twenty fifteen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably twenty fifteen, so fall over two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean, if he makes some starts and gets at least in the mix where.

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Speaker 2: You know, you might not. But like what he showed last year. The thing that impressed me so.

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Speaker 3: Much last year was is like the long iron and mid iron game. But of course he was, you know, in his prime, probably the greatest iron player.

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Speaker 2: Of all time.

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Speaker 3: Right, so it's uh, you know, more interesting. I found warreaus comments regarding.

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Speaker 2: The golf ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's, uh, I think this is something your Yeah. I mean I don't know about how you feel, but being someone like I shouldn't be gaining distance year over year.

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Speaker 2: I work out less and less.

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Speaker 3: I practiced less and less, and you know this last year I noticed, like I hit so many it's golf's.

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Speaker 2: Become driver wedge for you know, plus handicap players and better. I feel like right and the ball doesn't curve. I mean, it doesn't really move like.

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Speaker 3: Something I got to put together is like, think about the greatest ten greatest shots of nineteen ninety nine versus the ten greatest shots of this year this year.

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Speaker 1: They're all like, you know DJ's nuke drive over the pond, you know against speed in the playoffs. They're all they're all like, just met Justin Thomas's you know, nuked sky high, dead straight three woods at the US Open. They're all kind of You're right, They're all you look back at ninety nine, you'll see some movement. I've always I've been talking about what we talked about the one podcast I've asked a bunch of people would follow, I've ever won a major in today's game.

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Speaker 3: That's I put it in this newsletter this morning. That's the most alarming thing to me is that you've, you know, golf in all aspects I believe is like it's so great because of variety, whether you're talking about architecture, style, like players, styles of play, and what's happening because of the ball and the fact that like you can't miss with it is you can swing so hard. So what's happened is the finesse player is pretty much nonexistent in today's PGA tour. You know, I put stats in there, but like the average at the end of twenty six using the end of the season twenty sixteen rankings, World rankings, the top fifteen players average distance rank on the PGA Tours like nineteen point five, and if you compare that to nineteen ninety seven, the average driving distance rank was like seventy second in the world of the top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's like power has become a necessity to even compete on tour.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the dead giveaway for me that something needs to be done is when these you know, senior tour guys comment on it and they're like, well, I hit it twenty five yards now twenty five yards further now at fifty three than I did it twenty eight. You're like that, I mean that that doesn't make sense. I could buy me going from thirty two to thirty four and hitting it five yards, ten yards further or whatever. I don't know any better, but for something that egregious, where you know, Bob Estes or whoever is hitting it twenty five yards further than when they were thirty, that's that to me is crazy. Yeah, we can ask Paul Goidos thatt Yep, we we're gonna havesk to Big News. We'll have Paul Goido's Senior Tour Legend and PGA Tour mister fifty nine mm hmm on the pod next week. We'll do looking forward to that. I heard he's a great storyteller.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: So if any listeners have questions, fire him our way on Twitter, email, whatever. Let's get into some questions, all right, k Tex. Does Brian Harmon become a household.

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Speaker 2: Name this year with a few top five finishes?

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Speaker 1: I would love to see Brian Harmon become a household name because I love his game. I don't think just a few top five finishes will do it, though, you know golf, you're judged so much by majors. He obviously was close at the US Open. I think one, maybe two more, you know, obviously one major would get him a household name, but maybe one to two more times really in the thick of it on Sunday. I say that because you know, like you think of guys like Duffner and Keegan. You know, Daffner and Keegan squared off at that PGA. Neither were really household names going in. They became household names when Keegan won. And the third in that PGA was Brendan Steele. And I'm not really sure he's still he's a household name, but he's been in contention. I mean, I don't know late Sunday, but he's been in contention in majors quite a few times. So I would say Brian would need to contend late on Sunday and to become a household name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 3: He only has two wins, so you think about guys that only have two PGA tour wins, like, I mean, he's like right now, I would say Brian Harmon's and the Kevin Chapel Gary Woodland boat of players, which I mean, that's a really good boat of players.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely right. He's twenty fifth in the world.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had really looking at his stats, he had an incredible year last year. He had ten top tens and twenty seven starts, which included a third, a second, and a first, the.

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Speaker 2: Second coming at the US Open.

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Speaker 1: So I.

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Speaker 2: Think he's a guy you look at.

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Speaker 3: He's thirty one now, and some of these guys that have a little bit more all around game, like Kevin Kisner, comes to mind, take a little bit longer to get to that elite level of play just because they don't have that one, you know, dominant skill like a John Rohm where he's a you know, he hits the ball forever and really good and puts well. So I think he could be a good guy to bet on.

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Speaker 2: You know, if he wins again, he gets it. If he gets to five PGA.

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Speaker 3: Tour wins in the next two years, I think he'd be a pretty big name, right yeah.

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Speaker 1: I agree, Speaking of only two wins, this is a good question from Will Knights. Who has a better career when it is all said and done, Justin Rose or Ricky Fowler. Ricky's got I think four wins, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He's got to seven worldwide wins and I think four PGA Tour wins.

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Speaker 2: If I am not mistaken, he's.

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Speaker 3: Got the players. Deutsche Bank Wells Fargo Honda. Yeah, for PGA Tour wins. So he hasn't won on the PGA Tour since twenty fifteen, which is actually won last year.

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Speaker 2: At the Honda. I'm an idiot, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think he made everything at the Honda.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a really good comparison is Justin Rose. I think I put this in a newsletter a couple maybe a week ago. Over the last two years, Ricky is second in worldwide top ten or third in worldwide top tens, behind only Spieth and DJ. So he's clearly an elite player in terms of consistency. The wins just haven't come. But winning a golf tournament is so hard that you know, a bounce here, bounce there, you know they I think consistency always goes overlooked. I think Justin Rose is actually like a really good comparison for Ricky Fowler. You know, has kind of started to pile up wins later in his career. And you know, one major if you count the Olympics two majors, but I don't think you can.

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Speaker 2: Really count the Olympics as a major.

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Speaker 3: You know, at this point in Ricky's career, getting one majors would be a big deal, I think. I mean, what would you say over under one and a half majors for Ricky's career.

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Speaker 1: If I were gonna set the line, I would probably set it at two and a half, So I would take the over one and a half. I think he might get two, maybe three. He just he's gonna have one of those weeks like he did at the Honda where he just makes everything inside ten feet and you know, he's obviously a good enough ball striker and he might have a major if he didn't have the propensity to, you know, make triples, which he seems to have gotten rid of. He did that at the PGA though, that's true.

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Speaker 2: He did like the first round he made that triple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he he was like he was a favorite. Yeah, he was basically everyone's favorite. After playing well at Aaron Hills, he was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was in the thick of it for the Masters, he was in the second or final group.

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Speaker 2: He was right in it. At Aaron Hills.

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Speaker 1: He was. Didn't he finish the runner up in like three or four of them in the one year? Was that twenty fifteen, twenty.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen, yeah, or twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I think twenty fourteen, Yeah, because it was.

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Speaker 2: When when Rory won at Valhalla.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he should have some he I mean he should win it too. I would think that question. I think. I mean, Rose is tough to beat us Open two wgc's twenty wins, an Olympics and Olympics. You really really want to celebrate that Olympics. Hey, h, Now I'm with you. I'm a I'm a fan of the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: There aren't many. There aren't many Olympic gold medalists in golf.

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Speaker 1: There's not. That's that's a really exclusive club.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's the greatest of all time. Just face off that.

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Speaker 1: He's an Olympic gold medalist. I'll never forget those.

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Speaker 2: What were you gonna say, was it Chandler Egan?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, h Chandler Egan x More guy, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's a year compared to you might give second greatest player in x More history.

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Speaker 1: That's funny. What I was gonna say about Rose was those two long irons he hit at seventeen and eighteen at Marion. We're like two of the greatest shots I've ever seen back to back in my life. I mean, they wound up rolling past the hole but they were just so pure. I think it was a four iron on both, or maybe one was a three iron, but I mean, under that kind of pressure, to hit a three or four iron basically rolls over the whole two shots in a row is just it's insane to me.

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Speaker 3: The other thing with Rose is that he's finished runner up at the Masters twice, and both of those times it was one of like the lowest score or the one time it was the one of the lowest scorers ever at the Masters, and he didn't win because of speed. Mm hmm. So he's he's had his fair share of close misses too.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a really good comparison.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it too.

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Speaker 2: All right, how.

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Speaker 3: Many Majors would Big Cat have won during his prime ninety seven to two thousand and eight, had club technology and we'll throw the ball in there, not advanced Drew Banta Delhi.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he would have broken Jack's record. I don't know how to quantify how many, because, like you said, you know, bounce of the ball here, bounce of a ball there. But I will say he would have at least nineteen majors.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean the advancements in driver heads that and then like even like the hybrid is a really overlooked advancement because you talked to you know, any great players of you know that are older generation. The thing that Jack had that you know, Arnie had was this ability to hit towering long irons, and you know, Tiger was one of the greatest long iron players of all time. And the advancement, I think the hybrid came out and what like two thousand and one, two thousand and two, two thousand and three, and also, yeah, all of a sudden, everybody could hit high, long long irons, So I think I think he would have broken the and then the ball. I mean, does a technology in general, for really for the PGA Tour has just closed the skill gap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no such thing as an elite shot maker anymore. I mean the hybrid is a perfect example. And the hybrid just you can't move a hybrid. It just goes dead straight. It's hard when you have to move it. It's hard because it's just you can't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is incredibly hard to move today's golf ball, Like, especially if you're in the rough and trying to cut an iron.

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Speaker 2: It's almost impossible.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. Okay, let's say we speaking about the golf ball. Why do you think a player like Billy Horschell is so vocal about the golf ball. He's adamant it doesn't go any further self preservation on tour sponsor dollars not woke. That's from Luke Smith.

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Speaker 2: So I would say he's not very woke.

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Speaker 3: I think, if anything, people get in a bubble and people hate change, right. PGA tour players who have made millions of dollars because things are a certain way are obviously going to resist a change that might hinder their ability to make money in the future. I don't think Billy Horsechell would be one that would be. He might actually be helped by That's kind of what I was thinking by, because he's kind of he's an all around player, he's not overly long.

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Speaker 2: I think he would be helped.

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Speaker 3: By a rollback of the ball or technology, like if they went to a smaller driver head. I think he would be helped people. I think there's a bunch of people that would be hurt by going to a smaller like I think a smaller.

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Speaker 2: Driver head would is another thing that should be concerned. That's why.

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Speaker 3: You know, every other professional sport, with the exception of a couple, have different you know, equipment like tennis has a slower ball than what you know, the consumer uses. Baseball uses wooden bats, like why you know, golf has just been you know, hindered by not slowing.

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Speaker 1: Things down right. If anything, they use equipment that's better than the consumer can use.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really the only thing. So I would say Billy, Billy.

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Speaker 3: Horshall just is afraid of change, and you know he's got to protect his livelihood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with that because he's you know, he's making millions of dollars, like you said, and the difference between him playing on you know, the difference between anybody playing on the tour and you know, folding shirts might be a couple of shots around. So any kind of change where you know you're not sure at the end result, you're going to get freaked out because that's your livelihood and it's such a high pressure game. And I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: So Tiger's event is next week the Hero World Challenge. Uh and eighteen person field that gets full fed X Cup points. Why do they get full fed X Cup points. El Pandera wants to know.

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Speaker 1: I I don't know why they get full FedEx points. It's another uh, it's another FedEx cup fluffer job. You know. The field's obviously really good. There's it's what we talked about it before the before the podcast. It's the top eleven, the defending champion, two sponsors, exemptions, and a few others sprinkled in there. But I mean it's it's eighteen, it's nine to twosomes. I mean, I've we've had you know, bigger Friday afternoons Skins game at our club than this Hero World Challenge. So I it's hard for me to justify. You know, it's you can have you can jack up the person money because that's you know, spawn who cares. But the FedEx Cup points. It's hard for me to justify giving a regular FedEx cup point allocation to the event that has eighteen people in it. I mean that's insane.

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Speaker 2: It's it's kind of like a glorified Skins game.

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Speaker 3: M I think, yeah, they want to get people to show up, and that's how they get them to show up. And obviously Tiger when this event started, was you know, such a force in the game. That I'm sure that had a lot to do with it. And once you have them, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: To take them away.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a perfect example of something that is, you know, quite ridiculous and skewed, and how the TWUR skews to the elite player like this combined with the WGCs where you get free FedEx cup points, free money like it makes it, you know it, It makes it very much easier for those the top fifteen players to get to the you know, tour championship.

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Speaker 2: But that is also what the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 1: Wants, right, So I don't necessarily have a problem with the World Golf Championships as much as I mean, that's at least you have more than eighteen people. Eighteen, I mean, that's it's so small.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like it's just a little more than ten percent of a normal full field event.

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Speaker 1: If you picked eighteen people, say, you know, before the next full field event, you've you've said, all right, pick eighteen people who might win, you probably wouldn't pick the winner. That's that's just a very small sample size.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have Austin Cook last week.

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Speaker 1: No, I did not. Unless you're poly then you might pick the winner. But me personally, I'm not going to pick the winner at eighteen unless it's Louis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well he hasn't won in a while, so I'm still waiting. Yeah, it's turning into a losing bet.

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Speaker 1: I know it is.

00:26:56
Speaker 3: Even when it wins, I'll still be a loser unless committed.

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Speaker 2: Now, all right, we got we.

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Speaker 3: Got a bunch of you know, non related tour questions.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into now.

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Speaker 3: Joe Estis wants to know what what was your favorite pre pro v one ball?

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Speaker 1: I played the top flight Strata. I don't really know why. I saw I went back to my parents' house a few weeks ago and I saw I had a full sleeve in there, and I took it out. It's so like, it's so soft. I don't really know why I played it. Maybe just to be different because everyone was playing the perfect tour professional or the tour prestige. Maybe at the.

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Speaker 2: Time, it wasn't because of Jim Furick or health Suddon.

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Speaker 1: No, but you know who I remember being associated with Strata was Omira, So it might have been a little bit because of uh Omeira. But I, for whatever reason, I think I just wanted to be different, So I'm going strata, I think.

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Speaker 3: I like, you know, I messed around with the strata. I was into the Maxifly Revolution too.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I played that for a little bit. I forgot about that ball.

00:28:07
Speaker 2: That that was a good ball.

00:28:09
Speaker 3: When I was younger, I like loved the Wilson Staff titaniums and played that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean we were like at I think we were at the time, like thirteen or something.

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Speaker 2: We hadn't even gotten to high school yet. So that was another ball. I messed around with Slazenger, all right. That was the original big cat m playing off that.

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Speaker 3: What's the most gimmicky piece of equipment you've ever convinced yourself to try?

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Speaker 2: From Steve Messner?

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Speaker 1: You know, two came to mind. One was the Sabona bracelet. I mean, I in defense of myself, I was probably like sixteen or seventeen, but I thought it was like the coolest thing ever, and I really was convinced that it was going to get into my bloodstream and help me play better golf, even though it was for like I think it was made for like sixty year olds with arthritis, but I was like all about it. I loved how it made my wrist green, and I learned shortly thereafter any kind of jewelry is questionable. So I went away from the Sabona wrist band. And then the other thing was that diamond face wet Do you remember that?

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Speaker 2: That's what mine was.

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Speaker 1: It was so cool. You could spin the ball back like I mean, how old was I probably fourteen or something, fifteen sixteen, but I remember you could just spin the ball back like twenty feet and it was so cool. But your golf you'd get up there and your golf ball looked like it was, you know, in a in a ied like it was.

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Speaker 3: Remember the commercial with the was they hit it off the back of a dump truck.

00:29:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it was spin out of concrete.

00:29:55
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was That club was so ridiculous.

00:29:59
Speaker 3: You know. Last year at the Midham, I found somebody left a Warrior Hybrid on the tee during a practice round and I was like, who if the US Midham is using a Warrior Hybrid.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: I don't even know that I know what that is. What is that?

00:30:16
Speaker 2: It's like an infomercial club on the golf channel.

00:30:19
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

00:30:21
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe we'll dropping it because like this is his buddies or something.

00:30:26
Speaker 2: He's like, get this thing out of my bag.

00:30:29
Speaker 1: Golfers get desperate. I've been there. I'll try something if I'm not not hidden it. Well, yeah, here's a good one for you, mister Anti RTJ. Have to choose. One, only play RTJ courses for the rest of your life, or two listen to Michael Breed announce every golf tournament you will ever watch. That's from Will Knights.

00:30:52
Speaker 3: This is this is a great question because you know, if you go with number two, your subject yourself to a headache.

00:31:02
Speaker 2: I mean, you lose one of the beauties of golf.

00:31:05
Speaker 3: Like, one of the things I love about golf is how calm and peaceful it is.

00:31:10
Speaker 2: I enjoy you know, on.

00:31:11
Speaker 3: Saturdays that you could fall asleep on the couch, wake back up, then you know you feel feel fine.

00:31:18
Speaker 1: You know.

00:31:19
Speaker 3: But Michael bred would definitely change the dynamic of watching golf on TV. I think I would go to a mute you know, I'd probably listen to music and have it on mute and just you.

00:31:31
Speaker 2: Know, think of my own stuff. I think I'd probably still go with Breed though.

00:31:35
Speaker 3: Because like, oh my god, I think only playing a style of golf that makes me angry for the rest of my life would be it would be a yeah, I couldn't deal with that.

00:31:49
Speaker 1: I think I asked you actually before the podcast why everyone gives OURTJ courses so much hate, Because I there's some good point of Woods Valderrama in Spain. I played there like ten years ago. It was like one of the best courses I've ever played in my life. Country called the North Carolina is awesome. Spyglass, Like, there's so many good golf courses that he's done, and I guess, you know, I know Spyglass. A lot of people hate on some of the idiosyncrasies of it. And I guess the Robert trip Jones trail. There's some you know, Magnolia Grove. I like, there's a couple I haven't liked. But I mean when you're comparing that to listening to Breed, I mean it's a no brainer for me. I'll take RTJ all day.

00:32:33
Speaker 3: I mean the rest of your life, though, Like you can't play anywhere else. You never get to play like a Pine Valley or Cypher's Point, like all those are off the table.

00:32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a hard choice rock and a hard place, right, But I still you get you can just go play Spyglass.

00:32:53
Speaker 3: You know. Rtj's style of architecture is kind of everything I hate.

00:32:57
Speaker 1: So what do you hate so much about it?

00:32:59
Speaker 3: It's it's just it's thoughtless, you know, it's hit it down the middle of like it goes back to like having options and right like yeah, like you know, I think I think you put a good player on an RTJ course. It's it's really pretty simple. You know, you hit it straight, it tells you where to hit the ball. I prefer a course that, you know, makes you make a decision on what line and what shot you're going to hit, and then hit the right you know, distance on that line, if.

00:33:35
Speaker 2: That makes sense.

00:33:37
Speaker 1: No, I like that too, But I don't have a problem. I like. I like both.

00:33:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I you know, just just can't. I'd be in a constant state of frustration if I played only RTJ courses when I played golf, I'd probably stopped playing.

00:33:54
Speaker 1: We should go do that best ball at mid Pines and go play country gover North Carolina. That I like those courses. They're really really, really good.

00:34:03
Speaker 3: All right. RTJ did some good work. You know, he's he's better than his sons.

00:34:11
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Okay, here's another Choose one or the other. Free membership at Cypress Point or restorations of Pebble and Augusta National back to what made them great in the first place. From Joe Smith.

00:34:24
Speaker 3: You know if I was former Maryland forward, yeah, former number one pick and the number one pick yeah, and former Bowl Thanks for being a fan, Joe. I. If I'm being selfish, I would take the free membership at Cypress Point for the for the good of the game. You would pick the restorations of Pebble and Augusta National because Augusta has a tremendous effect on the rest of the world of golf and what they perceive is good golf. Augusta is still a great golf course in its current state, but could be way better and set a much better example as to how a golf course should be you know, maintained.

00:35:07
Speaker 2: You know it's gotten more narrow, it's.

00:35:10
Speaker 3: Gotten more rough over the years, and then obviously the immaculate conditioning. It gives people a false sense of, you know, what their local golf course should look like, and you know money goes to build, you know, creating a golf course that looks like Augusta National when they shouldn't have that. So I would say, if I was speaking as the fried Egg founder, I would choose the latter. But it was just Andy Johnson, I would choose the Psycher's point.

00:35:43
Speaker 2: Free membership. What about you, I'm with you.

00:35:47
Speaker 1: There's a reason I don't have a prius. I would go with the free membership. And I will say, though that that picture of seven that on I tweeted it out. I know a bunch of other people were tweeting it out. The picture of seven at Pebble from I think nineteen twenty eight. That looks so amazing. It's not even funny. You wonder why they I mean, it's so you know, the bunkers are not not nearly as defined. It just it looks phenomenal. And I wonder why. I wonder what the pushback is to not go back to that. I just that's what bothers me.

00:36:22
Speaker 3: Think about the money shutting down Pebble Beach for a year would cost. Like, think about not only just the resort that's already booked, you know wall the.

00:36:33
Speaker 1: Wall right, all, yeah, you'd have to do it three years in advance, four years in advance, so you have.

00:36:39
Speaker 3: A resort that charges more than any other resort in the world and.

00:36:43
Speaker 2: Is booked all the time.

00:36:45
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like they there's a shortage of people going to see it. And then think about like the tourism to that community. If Pebble Beach was completely shut.

00:36:55
Speaker 1: Down, well, they'd have to go enjoy Spyglass RTJ. Yeah, what about so pebbles a business, I understand that aspect of it. What about Augusta National.

00:37:06
Speaker 2: Oh, that's I think. I mean, that'll be interesting.

00:37:12
Speaker 3: I think that that has a lot more chance to happen than a pebble restoration. And I think if you look at like, if you know, I have a bunch of old maybe I'll post a bunch of old Augusta photos with with this podcast. But you know, if you look at those photos, like the sixteenth hole is completely different than it was today, and I personally think it looks a lot better. But they had a similar rough style bunkering, and it would require the Augusta National membership to move away from the perfect conditioning, you know, like you couldn't do the rough style bunkerings and keep like the immaculate landscaping, right, and those Zaleas so because that would look though just not fit so I think, but Augusta would be I mean, it would be so cool if they went back. I mean, Tiger talks about it in his book that he recently put out. I would recommend it just for the last chapter. The rest of the book is really bad. The last chapter is is quite good because he talks about, you know, the golf ball and all the things that Augusta National has changed. You know, They've they've leveled some greens, they've made it more narrow, They've added trees, which just limits the you know, the beauty of Augusta. Right, So it's you know, I Augusta is an example of you know who knew better Alisair Mackenzie or the Jones family. Right.

00:38:49
Speaker 1: I'm always amazed even watching like Tiger ninety seven highlights how much different the course looks with no no rough It just it looks so good.

00:38:58
Speaker 3: Well, it's the ironic thing, is like I think about like the whole concept of tigerproofing. Like right, so say, like you know, you're playing a match against a friend of the pod, Chad from Deer Park.

00:39:12
Speaker 2: So Chad's a mid am that he nukes the ball and he hits it like dead straight.

00:39:17
Speaker 3: So Kyle is a little bit shorter, maybe not pretty straight, but like playing a golf course that's really long and really tight, you know, you would have it be a much less, you know, much bigger disadvantage to Chad that's on.

00:39:33
Speaker 2: A long and tight golf course, right, yeah, because he you know it.

00:39:39
Speaker 3: It's so I think with you know, with a lot of rough So the idea of tigerproofing that's a combined with equipment like the lengthening of golf courses and the you know, reduction of the ball.

00:39:52
Speaker 2: Actually going offline.

00:39:54
Speaker 3: As what is what's created less and less you know, variety in the game of golf from a player aspect.

00:40:03
Speaker 1: I'm in agreement with that.

00:40:05
Speaker 2: What's your Uh, We're going to change subjects.

00:40:08
Speaker 3: This is too depressing, will Willie Orbison, what's the Thanksgiving tomorrow?

00:40:13
Speaker 2: What's your favorite Thanksgiving dish? Dish?

00:40:17
Speaker 1: My favorite Thanksgiving dish is stuffing. I'm a huge fan of stuffing. I think it's very underrated. I wish that I wish I could eat it all year round. Actually, like I have like a stuffing burrito. I just for some reason, it's like the only thing I eat leftovers of. I feel like I just eat a ball of stuffing and eat it.

00:40:40
Speaker 2: I'm not.

00:40:40
Speaker 1: I don't like turkey. I don't. I think it's the worst meat. I'm actually excited because we're going out for Thanksgiving tomorrow and that's a buffet, So I'm just gonna eat a bunch of crab legs and stuff like that, so I don't have to worry about turkey. So I'm excited about that.

00:40:57
Speaker 2: How about you, I will echo you your love for stuffing. I'm really Thanksgiving to me is I'm getting. I get in with big starch.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: You know.

00:41:08
Speaker 2: I'm in the mashed potatoes stuff.

00:41:10
Speaker 1: It's a big time carbo load.

00:41:12
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:41:13
Speaker 3: And uh, you know the turkey I like, but I could eat just the If it was just mashed potatoes, stuffing and gravy, I'd be all in.

00:41:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:41:22
Speaker 1: I load my plate up with that and maybe do like one small slicing turkey when my mom makes it.

00:41:29
Speaker 3: I think, what's the what's the most outside of turkey, what's the most overrated part?

00:41:38
Speaker 1: I would go the cranberry sauce. I'm not a big cranberry fan.

00:41:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate that too. Similar similar tastes.

00:41:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should have Thanksgiving together, just stuffing.

00:41:50
Speaker 3: Just yeah, that's we'd have like a pound of Deli turkey meat and stuff.

00:41:57
Speaker 1: I like that. All right, here's architecture one. All right, thoughts on the architecture with and angles at Lost Marsh in Hammond. This is a three part question. That's part one from Tom Delaney. I've played there once in a scramble, like it was their Chili Open or whatever they have. So it was in November. I can't really speak to it because I don't really remember it that well.

00:42:26
Speaker 3: So I uh, the first and only time I played Lost Marsh. It was a few years back, and my boss had been raving about Lost Marsh for you know, probably about a year, and you know, I was on a big ravslow kick, which is, in my opinion, the best public golf course in Chicago, and and he finally convinced me to play Lost Lost Marsh with him. And after the first five holes, if I wasn't with my boss, I would have gone in and called it quits.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: I was.

00:43:02
Speaker 2: It's like, there's no way, it's.

00:43:05
Speaker 3: Completely impossible for the average player is and then it's it almost gets worse when you get to the open area. You know, after the first five hole. The first five holes have water on both sides. It's extremely narrow. But then you get out to the other other the back nine or the back fourteen, and it's like, you know, you'll have holes where you hit it in the fairway and you're blocked out by trees. It that place, that's that's a place that should shut down.

00:43:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, should shut it down. I from the little I played it in the little I you know, remember hole by hole I do not like. I did not remember liking it. But they if you want to go play there, that chili opens cool. Everyone brings, you know, to scramble. Everyone brings their own, you know, their best chili, and then you can sample all the you know, twenty different chilis or whatever after the round. It's kind of okay. Grand Geneva or Geneva National for a cost conscious weekend trip.

00:44:07
Speaker 2: I'm not in on either. I'm trying. I'd go play somewhere else. I just stay at their hotels.

00:44:15
Speaker 1: Try to go play Strawberry Creek.

00:44:18
Speaker 3: There's a really cool if you don't mind playing really scruffy, not good golf courses, like not well maintained golf courses. There's a course called Spring Valley that's like an old Langford Moreau course, and if they did like a restoration, there would be essentially like Skokie Country Club, which is one of the best corpses in Chicago, but it's not in good shape. The fairways are way too narrow, there's way too many trees, and the greens have shrunk. But I'd rather play there than any of the Grand Geneva Geneva National options.

00:44:51
Speaker 1: Okay, what's a good way for someone to volunteer in the Chicago golf community. I have some friends that are are pretty active with the First T program. So if you wanted to get in touch, if anyone wanted to get in touch with any of them to find out more, just send me a Twitter message or whatever. You have any good ways?

00:45:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Jason Way who's on Twitter is like Jay Whizzy. He's been like, it's pretty cool. He's been leading this like whole like improvement of Canal Shores, which is a neat little course in Evanston. It's right on like kind of that, and it's got the l going through it. It's it's small, it's it's been rundown. But you know, he's kind of like with a group of volunteers been you know, making it significantly better by making it wider, adding some cool bunkers, like you know, digging them out by hand, So that that would be one I would I would recommend if you're if you're into golf course architecture, it's uh, you know, improving a little community golf course that you know it had fallen on tough times.

00:46:03
Speaker 2: So that's what I would get into.

00:46:06
Speaker 1: Okay, here's a long question about Hall of Fame and architecture. Tilling Hast, MacDonald, Ross, Mackenzie, die Old Tom Crenshaw though more for playing than architecture, given the induction of class of two thousand and two and no mentions of architecture and achievement and his citation and somehow Robert Trent Jones, which this should be rescinded for actual crimes against nature along with DPRK style three generations of punishment passed down to his sons and grandsons for their continued awfulness. This is the list of Hall of Fame architects. So the question is, how in the hell are Rayner, Colt, Thomas and Maxwell not in the Hall of Fame And should we start a pitchfork and torches movement to make that happen. These gents getting shut out of the hall is insane. Even if the golf Hall isn't as revered as Cooperstown or Canton, it's still a hall of fame.

00:47:07
Speaker 3: It's fascinating to me that golf there's this like glorification of of the PGA Tour and the legends of the game from like a playing side. And let's just say that roughly, you know, let's say twenty five million golfers are in the world. I mean, if you look at like social media, like the PGA Tour has something like two million fans, So you're saying, like, we're glorifying this subset of of golfers that's watched by only ten percent of the sport versus the greatest architects of all time who designed the greatest golf courses of all time, and golf courses every single person that plays the game of golf plays golf courses. So to me, it's it's fascinating that architecture is constantly, you know, put to the side when it's something that's relevant to every golfer and PGA Tour and like you know, I you know, I write about the PGA Tour three times a week, but that is you know, viewed by only you know, a handful of golf fans, and it receives all the you know, essential attention and praise.

00:48:20
Speaker 2: So I mean those guys should be in the Hall of Fame.

00:48:23
Speaker 3: I George Thomas didn't design that many golf courses.

00:48:27
Speaker 2: I would say you should have Harry Colt for sure in the Hall of Fame.

00:48:32
Speaker 3: Seth Rayner maybe, But you know, then you start to look at today's generation.

00:48:39
Speaker 2: It's like a three part question.

00:48:40
Speaker 3: So today's generation of architects, like who would be Hall of Fame worthy? I think you'd look at like core and Crenshaw, Pete Dye. Pete Die would definitely be in the Hall of Fame, Coren Crenshaw. Of course, Crenshaw's already in there. I think Gil Hans is on his way. Tom Doak deserves to be in the Hall of Fame for like the influence and how he's ushered in this minimalism architecture. And you know, he's got a pretty good list of golf courses. So it the Hall of Fame just it doesn't have a focus on architecture yet so when it does have a focus, you know, and hopefully for like the modern era architects, like people get inducted into the Hall of Fame before they die, because the majority of these architects have gotten inducted when they're dead, you know, so like at least they get inducted in the recognition while they're still alive, you know. I think that, you know, one can make a pretty good argument that Harry Colt had a much greater influence on the game of golf than Jim Furick.

00:49:47
Speaker 2: Right, so.

00:49:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, into a question here, we'll wrap these questions up and then we'll go into overrated underrated?

00:49:57
Speaker 2: Is p XG the big baller brand golf from Philip Johnson?

00:50:02
Speaker 1: I love that analogy. I would say yes if you had to have one, although I don't think anyone offends your sensibilities or my sensibilities like LeVar ball does you do have, you know, the super over the top expensive product where everyone's like, what the hell I'm paying five hundred dollars for a wedge or seven hundred dollars for a pair of shoes, or and you know, Zach Johnson didn't play the PXG's in the Ryder Cup. Lonzo Ball sometimes wears Nike's. So yeah, I say that is a very good comparison.

00:50:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

00:50:42
Speaker 3: I think it's outrageously expensive, expensive and adds like minimal. You know, if there's any benefit, it's so so minimal. I think it's almost more of a it's more of a statement at this point, right. I don't want to offend Chad from Deer Park PSG player, but you know, if you're uh, you rock phg's more for you know, look at these sick clubs I have than you know these Actually you.

00:51:10
Speaker 1: Know, he does hit his eight iron like two ten.

00:51:13
Speaker 2: It's insane, but it's probably a six iron.

00:51:15
Speaker 1: Law.

00:51:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure the technology. I've heard that the technology is really really good, but like, I don't think it really makes that big of a difference.

00:51:28
Speaker 1: I haven't seen really anybody play their driver now that I think of it. I mean, I know people got it, but I've never seen anybody like play it.

00:51:37
Speaker 3: Somebody told me somebody thought or I read somewhere that they thought like that whole PhD lawsuit with Taylor made was like a play to leverage because you know, Taylor Maid got bought out by like a private equity firm who has no interest in being in a lawsuit because they're trying to sell a company, you know quickly right, And that that that play was an attempt to leverage you know, that lawsuit in order to get Taylor made to like allow them to use some of their driver technology.

00:52:12
Speaker 2: To improve their driver.

00:52:15
Speaker 1: Makes sense.

00:52:17
Speaker 3: So yeah, that I've heard the drivers, like in the Fairy Woods are really bad, I think. I mean, I think the Irons are decent, But is it you know, are they five times better than a regular.

00:52:31
Speaker 2: You know, any other brand?

00:52:33
Speaker 1: Be hard for me, it'd be hard to prove that.

00:52:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into overrated underrated?

00:52:39
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think about.

00:52:45
Speaker 2: Twitter debates on the fall from Sean Smith?

00:52:50
Speaker 1: You know, it's typical of Twitter. Everyone's got their two cents and you know they're staunching their beliefs. But I mean, I'll say overrated. I think the fact is something has to be done at some point and probably will be done, and that's all there is to it. And until that action is finally taken, which is in golf, you know, it takes a few years. So you'd be looking at you know, twenty twenty twenty one maybe at the earliest. Yeah, until that happens there, I mean, you can debate it all you want, but there's there's nothing really to talk about until they actually decide to do it, which they clearly should. And anybody that takes the other side of that argument is you know, just wrong.

00:53:40
Speaker 3: It's say, such a polarizing topic. I tried to try to keep my keep my my thoughts off Twitter as much as I could. I only got in there for like a couple jabs.

00:53:54
Speaker 2: Just it's not worth.

00:53:56
Speaker 3: The amazing thing is when you get into something like that is how like you waste like four hours of your life and the person that.

00:54:04
Speaker 2: You're arguing with is never going to change their opinion.

00:54:07
Speaker 3: So I think they're actually extremely overrated because the when these debates go come out like each person is so far extreme on their side that there's no changing of their opinion, you know, right, Like if I gotten a debate with somebody with Walleu line, like both of us would end up.

00:54:26
Speaker 2: You know, we could debate.

00:54:27
Speaker 3: For for a month straight and we'd both stay in the exact same spot, you know, all right, Overrated underrated simulator golf in the winter.

00:54:44
Speaker 1: You know, I see both sides. If you're using it as a you know, to improve your game, I say it's a little overrated. I know the technology has gotten pretty solid, but I just you know, there's nothing, there's no substitute for the real thing. If you're use it for fun and you know, maybe have a few beers with your friends and whatnot and just chill out, then I'm underrating it because it's actually it's a fun thing to do. I just you have to have, you know, realistic expectations if you're actually using it to try to get better.

00:55:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a lot of questions about winter practice. You got any tips.

00:55:21
Speaker 1: No. I the one the one winter I came out in the spring playing pretty well. I went to the golf center in displays, which is kind of like this. Uh, you know, you hit from inside to outside, you know. I'd go there three times a week, and I had one of those one hundred dollars little putting mats in my basement and I'd hit you know, some putts every week. But there's no way to really do it perfectly. But you know, if you can hit balls a few times a week, if it's a dome or you know, a half range or anything like that, and you know, just hold the putter in your hand, hit a few putts. I think that helps better doing nothing.

00:56:01
Speaker 3: I would say if if you're ever thinking about making some wholesale changes your swing, the winter is the time to do it, you know.

00:56:10
Speaker 2: I think it's a good time.

00:56:11
Speaker 3: To to if you if you're not like a lesson taker, but want to take lessons, I would take them in the winter, you know, mm hmmm, I would.

00:56:20
Speaker 2: I kind of. I enjoy time off. I think it helps me.

00:56:26
Speaker 3: But I would say putting, you know, practice putting, hit balls every once in a while.

00:56:32
Speaker 2: I try and chill out in the winter.

00:56:35
Speaker 1: But some that yard stick putting droll we talked about before is a good one in the winter.

00:56:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:56:41
Speaker 3: If you just hit putts down on your yardstick, that's all you need for playing personally.

00:56:45
Speaker 1: Believe Shane Trudisky playing around by yourself overrated, so underrated. I'm with you.

00:56:56
Speaker 2: It's I like miss it.

00:56:58
Speaker 3: I played one round, one of my last rounds of the year. It was actually at this Manikiki place where I where I wrote that on the skillet about today, this public course. It was like mid October. I went out there on like a Thursday morning. It was twenty bucks to walk and there was nobody out there. I played through one like ninety year old man, but like there's nobody out there. It was it was so it was like a spiritual experience, you know.

00:57:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a big fan of it. I think either you get to play really fast, you know, you play in two hours, which is awesome, or you know, I like to play Worst Ball scrambles sometimes because then you get a real indication of how bad you're playing. Or you know, like Worstball Scrambles are hard, but you know, you can't really do that with other people, so you have to play by yourself. So I enjoy it. You put some music on, you know, you relax in the car, check your phone. You know, there's no there's you know, there's no hustle to it. It's just relaxing.

00:58:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nobody around that you have to keep, you know, happy, right, good lag good lag?

00:58:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:58:08
Speaker 2: What about Brandal Shambly from k tax.

00:58:12
Speaker 1: I. I know a lot of people don't like Brandle. I've never really had a problem with him. He you know, he has some hot takes obviously, but I think he's fine. I mean, he he he he wants what's best for golf. And you know, although he may say some outlandish things at times, I think he's he's fine. I have no problem with Brandell.

00:58:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's uh. I think he's underrated. I I agree.

00:58:41
Speaker 3: What I like about Brandal is he is an analyst that clearly does his homework. M whatever stance he's gonna take, it's usually he's done a lot of research and he gets you know, a lot of people get jaded because he has such strong takes, but at least he takes a side. One of the things it bugs me about golf is how how people don't say what they really believe.

00:59:06
Speaker 2: A lot and you know they you know.

00:59:09
Speaker 3: That there's so much money from you know, equipment, sponsors and stuff that that limit what people can say. You know, if if I'm sponsored by Calaway like or if I'm sponsored by Titleist like Titles would be a good example.

00:59:26
Speaker 2: Like if you're Titleist paid a ton.

00:59:29
Speaker 3: Of money to the Friday, I'd never be able to talk about how the balls.

00:59:32
Speaker 2: Out of contract, like you can't do it.

00:59:35
Speaker 3: So that's a big problem with golf, and I really like that Brandal actually speaks his mind on most topics. I know a lot of people were saying that Brandal is in the bag for titleists with his latest take. But you know, at least he takes a stance and you know, take it for what it is. It's one man's opinion.

00:59:55
Speaker 1: It's not the Bible, right, all right, here's you you overrated underrated shoelaces aka thoughts on the Boa technology after beating your air Westies to the ground. That's from Sal Hutton.

01:00:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a lot of shit recently on Twitter and for the longtime followers, they'll know that shoelaces and my shoes before the air owscis were a big problem. So I got these bos on the on the recommendation of Chad from Deer Park, and I'm not going to get bows again, although I you know, they were nice not having to, you know, tie your shoe laces. But shoelaces are are definitely overrated because if they break, you're.

01:00:44
Speaker 2: Kind of screwed.

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Speaker 3: Like at my last shoes they broke and then I went into the store and there was two different sized shoelaces of the same brand, like I had echoes, and they had two different sizes, and I looked at them for a good ten minutes trying to think about which shoelace to buy, and I looked at him. I said, you know, these big ones must be for men and the little ones must be for women.

01:01:07
Speaker 2: Get the shoelaces out.

01:01:08
Speaker 3: I put them into my shoes, and they're like, they're like ten inches too long on each side. So from that point on, I had to like triple not my shoes.

01:01:18
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they were your shoelaces were.

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Speaker 3: They were so long that sometimes they'd get caught on the spikes, and I'd like.

01:01:26
Speaker 1: Trip, I'm going to overrate both shoelaces and Boa. I don't like the way BoA's look. I mean you still have to like bend over and tighten them. It's just I mean, they're both bad.

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Speaker 2: What about going to a pump style like the old basketball shoes.

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Speaker 1: I actually always thought I would like high top golf shoes as a fan of basketball for some reason, like I always really really wanted high top golf shoes. But then I see some of the you know, you see Ricky or Keegan wear them, and You're like, oh god, those look terrible. So I think I'm out on those too. I'm basically out on any footwear.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree. Maybe maybe I'm in on barefoot golf. See if that's what I'm in.

01:02:16
Speaker 1: On, Tiva's with spikes. That's such a bad look.

01:02:22
Speaker 3: All right, that's a wrap. Let's uh, we'll cut this. We're at like an.

01:02:26
Speaker 2: Hour so perfect. Have a good Thanksgiving, I hope, yeah you too.

01:02:32
Speaker 3: I hope this helps somebody with a long drive somewhere. And yeah, we'll talk next week with Paul Goos.

01:02:41
Speaker 1: Sweet thanks guys, format later Yeah, a