How IOP Publishing cut its carbon footprint by 36% since 2020

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Hello, and welcome to the Physics World weekly

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podcast.

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I'm Hamish Johnston, and my guest this week

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is Liz Martin.

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She is sustainability

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lead at IOP Publishing,

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and we're going to chat about how the

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company has reduced its carbon emissions by 36%

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when compared to a 2020 baseline.

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IOP Publishing is a wholly owned subsidiary

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of the Institute of Physics,

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which is the professional body and learned society

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for physics in The UK and Ireland.

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IOP Publishing produces over 100

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scholarly journals,

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around half of which are published jointly with

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or on behalf of partner societies

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and research organizations.

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Physics world is also brought to you by

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IOP publishing.

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Here's my

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conversation

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with

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Liz.

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Hi, Liz. Welcome to the podcast.

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Hi, Hamish. It's nice to be here. I

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always like an opportunity to talk about things

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all things sustainable.

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Great.

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So, can we start off by,

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can you give us a little summary of

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IOP Publishing's

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commitment

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to sustainability?

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What what what is our commitment as a

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company?

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As a company, we're committed to operating our

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business in as an environmentally friendly,

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sustainable way as possible.

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So that covers the day to day running

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of the business, our offices, our our people,

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but also the the business that we do,

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so publishing scientific research in all its forms.

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So we do this by focusing on on

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measuring our our carbon emissions and then reducing

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the that that carbon,

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working with our supply chains to reach,

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on their emissions,

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those that are not directly within our control,

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and also supporting our colleagues in understanding what

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they can do as individuals,

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both inside and outside of work.

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But unlike other businesses, as a publisher,

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we have an added responsibility

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of of the research that we publish. So

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we're also committed to to making the best

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research in all areas of environmental sustainability

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accessible to all,

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accessible to all of those people that that

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need to drive the solutions of the future.

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Okay. And I think we we've done a

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pretty good job, haven't we?

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IOPP

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has reduced its carbon footprint by 36%

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when compared to 2020,

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which to me seems amazing.

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How how did we do this? How how

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is this achieved?

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Well, firstly, absolutely

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is amazing and, I certainly, you know, not

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not taking the credit.

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Lots and lots of people across the the

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company involved there.

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The the first step for us though was

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was measuring our our corporate carbon footprint, which

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it sounds super easy,

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but it it can be pretty challenging to

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get started. For me at least, it was

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a bit of a roller coaster.

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I come from a I have a physics

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background, so,

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consider myself fairly fairly sort of well versed

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in in sort of,

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methodologies

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and and and calculations of this type. But

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it was a a bit of a roller

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coaster, feeling like you had it all under

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control and then realizing quite how complex it

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could be in places.

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But we we we got there. We needed

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to do that, we needed to set some

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really clear boundaries on on what we were

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trying to measure,

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to make some decisions on how we were

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going to to to measure it and then

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how we were going to calculate the emissions.

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You need a lot of data, a a

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huge amount of operational data.

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Again, that sounds simple, and and data is

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is really simple to track in real time,

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but it's it's really difficult to to gather

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retrospectively.

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But we got there. We got there. And

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once we had collected that that or calculated

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rather that first footprint,

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it was immediately clear that we had some

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But identifying those hotspots is is really just

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the start of it.

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You know, once you know what they are,

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some some hot spots can be relatively easy

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to address. But more often, the areas where

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make the biggest impact in terms of, carbon

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are are not the straightforward areas to address.

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I see. And, Liz, there I mean, you

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you didn't do this on your own, I

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don't think. You

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you you had you worked the the company

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worked with partners,

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and and worked within a a a sort

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of a standard framework. Is that right?

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Absolutely right. This would be simply impossible for

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for any one person to do. So we

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have a sustainability task force,

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and that we have executive sponsor there, and

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I chair that. And that is people from

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around the business of all levels,

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who have an interest or have a particular

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area of responsibility,

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that is that is pertinent. And they really

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all of our sustainability

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activities across the company.

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separate to that, we have a couple of

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working groups.

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engage with with all of the suppliers that

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we use, and we have a carbon footprint

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working group. So within the carbon footprint working

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group, that is people around the business who

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are who have responsibility

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for the activities

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where we need to collect primary data for

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that calculation.

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So we have a a big team of

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people, and we're also supported by, a consultant

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called Climate Partner

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who are experts.

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And I have to say, without them, I

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think we'd probably still be calculating that first

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footprint now.

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And and, Liz, we're recording this, podcast in

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IOP's

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new ish office in Bristol.

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it seems to have a remarkably

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low

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carbon footprint.

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How has that been achieved? I mean, is

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it simply because it's a fairly new building,

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or are there lots of other things that

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were done to to ensure the low carbon

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footprint?

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A little bit of both. I think, you

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know, we're we're incredibly fortunate,

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with our new offices

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precisely as you say because it's a new

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build.

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And it was built

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with sustainability

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in mind, and that makes a huge difference.

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It can be much more challenging,

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for businesses

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who are in older buildings. And when you

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try and retrofit sustainability in there, it simply

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can be,

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you know, an enormous cost to the business

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to try and do that. So we made

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the move with that in mind. We were

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previously in in another building, not so very

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far away, as you know.

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delivered for us in the long term and

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that we were able to move to this

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very sustainable building. But it did give us

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it did give us a year or two

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of overlap well, not a year or two.

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where we were effectively running two offices. So

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that did temporarily increase our footprint. But now

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we're here. It's made a huge different

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difference. And I think the the biggest single

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benefit

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is really the setup for for temperature control

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within the bay building, the heating, the cooling.

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in mind. We can even open the windows,

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which doesn't sound like much, but makes a

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a a real difference in terms of when

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you then press that switch on the wall

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to heat or cool down or whatever you

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need to do. You open a window instead.

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use. And, of course, the energy that we

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we do still use, because everybody does, is

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clean here as well. So that has a

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has a big impact,

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across our our scope one and scope two

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emissions.

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I I I should say for the benefit

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of listeners that it is a very nice

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building as well. I mean, it's not like,

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you know, we're we're in this sort of

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horrible building, saving lots of energy. It's it's

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it's a lovely building. It's a really nice

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place to work in.

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So, you know, to me, as as somebody

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who comes in every day to the office,

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it's been a real success,

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So so in terms of measurement, Liz, you

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you mentioned,

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the the difficulties,

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in terms of how to measure the carbon

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footprint of a company.

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That's done in terms of scopes one,

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two, and three.

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might not be familiar with those scopes. Would

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it be possible for you to briefly explain

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these three categories

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and give an example of each that's relevant

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to IOP publishing?

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I don't think I realized at the beginning,

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but it is an incredibly

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complex area. So I will try and do

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it as as simply as I'm as I'm

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So escape one emissions are the direct emissions

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produced by our burning fuels.

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So for us, that's our offices and and

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it would be vehicles, but we we don't

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have them. So it's it's largely around the

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the burning of fuels for our offices.

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Scope two are indirect emissions

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generated by the electricity that we purchase and

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consume.

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So I think that's that that one's fairly

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clear. And scope three then are indirect emissions

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again, but they are produced by our activities

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but are owned and controlled by a different

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company.

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covers everything we buy, whether that be goods

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or services.

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It covers distribution of our products,

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business travel, employee commuting.

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There's there's a really long list. There's 15

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categories that that fit into scope three.

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So I I won't list them all, but

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but those are those are a few of

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the key ones.

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And and for IOP publishing, scope three is

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really important because it represents 99%

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of the company's emissions.

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the the emissions are dominated by purchased services,

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business travel,

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and employee commuting. So I suppose those are

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the key ones that we need to reduce.

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How can the company,

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reduce each of these? I mean, given the

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fact that we've already gone down by 36%

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over the last, five years or so.

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Well, I mean, that really is the million

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dollar question because that's what

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any company out there that's trying to reduce

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their carbon footprint is is looking at. And

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and, actually,

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to deliver that 36%

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that that we have achieved already, I don't

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want to make it sound like those were

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easy things to do. They weren't. They were

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possibly slightly more straightforward. They were slightly more

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obvious.

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And the,

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the implications of making those changes,

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we were happy

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to work with those implications.

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But but purchase services in particular is particularly

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challenging.

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Well and that includes goods as well. You

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know, any business who operates has to buy

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some things, whether that be the,

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the water that we drink or the pens

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that we write with or the the the

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laptops that we're using.

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But it covers everything. It covers everything from,

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you know, a a software system that we

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use to book our meeting rooms. So there

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is there is really no getting away from

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the fact that as a company, you have

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to purchase things.

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And some of those are are are good.

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So these are real physical things, and and

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some of those might be software as, you

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know,

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buying Microsoft in order to use Word. That

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comes at a price, and and that, therefore,

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has some emissions associated with it. So I

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think that's really the most challenging

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area.

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And, you know, the fact that that 99%

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of our emissions come from scope three isn't

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particularly unusual. I think we've done really well

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in reducing our scopes one and two with

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our our buildings,

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down to 1%. But that that very,

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that that really sort of high number on

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in the scopes three is is not particularly

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unusual.

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So how can a company reduce each of

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these? I mean, that's going to be you

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know, that's different for for every business. I

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mean, we've done really well so far in

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in delivering that 36%,

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because we looked at

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or we continue to work on it. But

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we we we made some big strides in

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moving from

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the material we publish being consumed in print

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to being consumed digitally.

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And, you know, I don't I don't want

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to make that sound like an easy decision

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to make. You know? It it it wasn't

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an easy decision to make, but it was

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quite an an obvious one in terms of

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the impact that it could have on carbon

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emissions.

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So that's been a a big driver of

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that reduction so far.

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But we're nearly there now. You know, we've

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got a little bit more to go, but

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we're nearly there.

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Then you start moving into really challenging areas,

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you know, taking business travel as an example.

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You know,

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it's obvious. Right? If you travel less,

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or you use use a more environment

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environmentally friendly method to do it, you will

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reduce. But if you travel less, then, you

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know, you're seeing clients less, you're seeing customers

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less, your the the the things that you

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have to do to be successful as a

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business

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become more challenging. So it's those areas. And

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and it's not right or wrong.

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You know, you have to,

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embed sustainability

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into people's decision making about how they operate.

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And I think that's that's really the key

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for us us now. And the same goes

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with employee commuting. You know,

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if you give people the information to make

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good decisions

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and let them make them those decisions within

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the context of what they have to achieve,

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in their work, then that's the most effective

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way of making it work for sort of

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both sides of the argument.

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I was I was a bit surprised by

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how

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dominant,

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employee commuting was,

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you know, particularly because a lot of a

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lot of colleagues work at home.

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And the ones who do come into,

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the distillery, the office that we're in right

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now,

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a lot of those people walk or ride

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their bikes.

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So is that I mean, that commuting,

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I assume

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pre pandemic and pre having the ability to

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work at home,

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commuting would have been

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off the scale in terms of our carbon

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footprint, wouldn't it? So

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Yeah.

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I I I can I mean, I I

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see what you mean because I can't see

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I mean, you know, knowing how people here

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get to work, I can't see how you

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could really reduce that that much?

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It's a really good point. Don't forget, we're

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we're talking about people here based in our

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HQ in Bristol, but we're also talking about

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the colleagues that we have,

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in China and India and The US. So

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there is a little there is, you know,

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a different mix

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of,

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opportunities for walking and cycling to work, for

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example.

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But the other key point is that although

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the the scope three category is called employee

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commuting, it does also include working from home.

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So

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that the the emissions associated with all of

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us working from home are also being captured

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in that category. Oh, I see. Yeah. So,

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well, actually, that brings me on nicely to

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my next question.

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How do you capture,

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emissions,

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you know, that are associated with people working

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at home? That is there a standard formula

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that you can use based on,

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I don't know, the average consumption of a

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of a house in in The UK, for

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example? Is that is that how it works?

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Because, you know, you don't know. You, you

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know, some people might not

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not be too upset if it's chilly in

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the winter and not turn the heat on.

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Whereas other people might be sensitive to temperature

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or have a health,

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risk where they have to turn the heat

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up in their house.

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It must be difficult to, to sort of

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get a handle on that.

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How is that done?

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Well, you're you're exactly right. And and the

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way that is handled I mean, as as

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much as we would love primary day you

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know, first hand data, we would like to,

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you know it would be nice to ask

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every single person exactly what they're doing, exactly

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what time the heat their heating's turned on

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in the morning, and how many lights on

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they have in the house. And then split

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that down and if, you know, there's a

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partner or a family member also working in

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the building, how much is a proportion

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to each person? But the but the reality

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is that that what you do to calculate

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that is use kind of averages. You know,

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there are emission

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factors,

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which will change by

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geography. So we do split it down by

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various geographies, but then you will use averages

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about,

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you know, that understand what kind of renewable

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splitters in the grid in The UK

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versus

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in China or India or The US. So

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much of, of a carbon footprint

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does, out of necessity,

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end up, you know, operating in a space

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of of national averages. So there's there's fixed

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emission factors that are are set that we

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use. But, you know, I think

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it it's true to say that that a

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carbon footprint, you know, we're we're working constantly

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and and have improved year on year since

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2020

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to maximize the primary data that we use.

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But the reality is that it it it's

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completely impossible to have primary data for everything.

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So you do use those averages. So so

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just taking the the example you had there

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for for working at home in The UK,

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what we do do in terms of primary

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data

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is survey all of our colleagues. But rather

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than than get sending them a survey with

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a 100 questions about what time you turn

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your lights on and and what temperature you

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have your heating set to and who's your

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energy provider, we do keep it quite simple.

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So we calculate it based on on average,

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how many days they're in the office, how

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many days they're at home, and then we

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will use, UK averages or whatever country that

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we're we're talking about, use those those geographical

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averages to to incorporate

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that work from home into that category.

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I see. And and what can you do,

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you know, to to to reduce that?

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You know, for example, we had the the

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the walls of our house

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insulated,

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a few years ago. My my wife works

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at home full time, and she noticed a

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huge difference

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immediately,

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you know, both in the comfort of her

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working in our house, and, you know, also

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the fact that the heat didn't have to

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come on

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as often.

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I mean, we can I mean, I mean,

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I suppose the company can encourage people to,

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to to, you know, to to to look

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at how those sort of things could be

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done? But, I mean, I suppose we you

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know, because it is a private house, we

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we really can't do any more than that,

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can we? You're absolutely right. And Gold Star,

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by the way, I think insulation is is

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is probably one of the most important things

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that that people could do. But you're absolutely

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right. You you know,

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although it forms part of our corporate carbon

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footprint,

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you know, clearly, we can't enforce

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those those type you know, somebody might will

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be choosing an energy provider for a variety

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of reasons outside of what impact is it

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going to have on IOP Publishing's corp,

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carbon footprint.

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So we don't enforce, but what we do

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do is we try,

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to,

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support colleagues in their understanding of the issues.

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So we've worked with,

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a company called Geeky,

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which was available to all colleagues.

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And that,

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what what Geeky did was enable an individual

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to create their own personal carbon footprint.

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And once they've done that, they they then

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would get suggestions and and and challenges and

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things that they could take on. None of

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it was forced. It was all completely

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up to the individual

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to but there were there were ideas and

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suggestions that they could commit to taking on.

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And then there was a little bit of

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a leaderboard so we could see which individual

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or which team you could group together in

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teams,

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to because you you scored points if you

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took on a challenge, for example, to,

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eat only vegetarian meals for a week. That

553
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has a a tremendous impact on on, an

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an individual's carbon footprint. So if you completed

555
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that challenge, you would earn points and you

556
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would rise up the leaderboard.

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So we we we come at this from

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the perspective of supporting people's knowledge and understanding

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about the things that they can do.

560
00:21:00,809 --> 00:21:02,750
Absolutely not trying to to

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enforce anyone to, you know, install solar panels

562
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or or change their energy provider.

563
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And and so, Liz, what's next? I mean,

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we have discussed a few things for the

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future,

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but,

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we've got this 36%

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reduction.

569
00:21:21,250 --> 00:21:23,570
Do do you have a target to lower

570
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that even more by, I don't know, 2030

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or something like that?

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Yes. Absolutely.

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So, again, with with our consultant climate partner,

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we've been able to

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map our net zero trajectory.

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So over the so 36%

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is a, you know, obviously, absolutely fantastic start

578
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and means that we're tracking

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really nicely

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beneath that trajectory that we need to achieve

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to to meet,

582
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you know, a target of being net net

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zero in the future.

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But and there's there is always a but,

585
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isn't there? The big but is we absolutely,

586
00:22:02,714 --> 00:22:04,575
you know, won't be able to achieve

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36%

588
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every,

589
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you know, every five years. That that was

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you know, as with all these things at

591
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the beginning,

592
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you know, when you start out, there's there's

593
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some some

594
00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:18,559
bigger fish there that you can you can,

595
00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:20,740
catch and and address.

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So there there will be diminishing, I think,

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reductions going forward. But we remain absolutely

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committed.

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So we're gonna we're gonna maintain our momentum

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on the digital transformation.

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So reducing then and, you know, hopefully, at

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some point, eliminating

603
00:22:38,234 --> 00:22:39,934
completely our reliance on print,

604
00:22:40,715 --> 00:22:41,434
because that's,

605
00:22:42,154 --> 00:22:44,315
that that's a that's a huge win both

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00:22:44,315 --> 00:22:46,715
in both in terms of reducing the emissions

607
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of production, of producing the that that material,

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but also in the distribution.

609
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And we're going to continue to work closely

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with our suppliers.

611
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This is possibly something that I haven't mentioned

612
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in detail so far, but we work closely

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with them

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to

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00:23:02,544 --> 00:23:05,204
encourage every single supplier that we use

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00:23:05,505 --> 00:23:06,005
to,

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00:23:06,784 --> 00:23:09,345
identify opportunities of their own to reduce their

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emissions.

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So what happens within your supply chain is

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that,

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as a company,

622
00:23:16,089 --> 00:23:18,490
we are responsible for a part of that

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supplier's emissions that can be,

624
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attributed

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to the activities they perform on our behalf.

626
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So that is really, really key. That's why

627
00:23:26,009 --> 00:23:28,509
purchase goods and services is so key here.

628
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We're not a huge company, so we do

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not we don't have the buying power of

630
00:23:33,265 --> 00:23:35,025
some to be able to say, if you

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don't reach

632
00:23:36,305 --> 00:23:37,684
this threshold of sustainability,

633
00:23:38,305 --> 00:23:40,225
you you simply can't be in our supply

634
00:23:40,225 --> 00:23:42,809
chain. So the way we approach it is

635
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to engage with them every year with with

636
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sustainability

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00:23:47,049 --> 00:23:49,690
assessment to encourage them, to ask them to

638
00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:51,309
join us on on the journey.

639
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So we are seeing improvements there already.

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You know, a couple of real successes in

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terms of,

642
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the suppliers we work with really taking on

643
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board what they, you know, what we initiated

644
00:24:02,065 --> 00:24:04,865
with them and and making great start strides.

645
00:24:04,865 --> 00:24:07,184
So we'll continue there. And as I say,

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you know, also to continue to support colleagues

647
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to develop their knowledge and and understanding

648
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so they can make good decisions,

649
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:17,609
every day. And I think together, these these

650
00:24:17,609 --> 00:24:20,009
efforts will will really help us build on

651
00:24:20,009 --> 00:24:22,970
the progress we've we've already made and move

652
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closer to our sustainability goals.

653
00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:26,765
And I suppose it's a two way street,

654
00:24:26,765 --> 00:24:28,625
isn't it? Because we're we're a supplier.

655
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So I'm guessing that we have relationships with

656
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our customers, and our customers are asking us

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about our

658
00:24:35,644 --> 00:24:36,144
sustainability

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metrics.

660
00:24:38,369 --> 00:24:40,609
So those must be useful discussions as well,

661
00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:41,430
I would imagine.

662
00:24:41,970 --> 00:24:44,609
Absolutely. We're we're really seeing that in the

663
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last few years. So when we started on

664
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our journey in 2020,

665
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I don't think that I'd I'd come across

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any anybody asking us, really.

667
00:24:54,704 --> 00:24:56,224
There were that you know, there were various

668
00:24:56,224 --> 00:24:57,825
questions that came out of sort of audit

669
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process things. But, yes, we're we're seeing that

670
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a lot more now. So where customers are

671
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are licencing content or or or purchasing content,

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they're

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they are themselves constrained by their own governments

674
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or by their own

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00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,000
frameworks

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to ensure the sustainability.

677
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:17,380
So, yeah, it's really great to see that

678
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it's it's it's really

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spreading out there. It's becoming much more the

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norm

681
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to to be asked about these things than

682
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than when I started out on this journey

683
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five years ago.

684
00:25:29,134 --> 00:25:31,075
Well, that's great. Thanks, Liz. Congratulations.

685
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And,

686
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hopefully, the, the drop in carbon emissions will

687
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continue into the future.

688
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Thanks for coming on the podcast.

689
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:41,429
Thanks, Hamish. It's been really great to be

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here. Thank you.

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That was Liz Martin, who is sustainability

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lead at IOP Publishing.

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Thanks, Liz, for a fascinating discussion

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00:25:59,355 --> 00:26:00,335
about sustainability

695
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in scholarly publishing.

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You can find the sustainability

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report

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2025

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on the IOP publishing website,

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and I'll put a link to it in

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the notes for this episode.

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I'm afraid that's all the time we have

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for this week's podcast.

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I'm Hamish Johnston, and our producer is Fred

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00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:23,505
Iles.

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The music for this podcast is called one

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three seven, and it was composed and performed

708
00:26:30,525 --> 00:26:31,424
by the physicist

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00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:33,029
Philip Moriarty.

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We'll be back again next week when our

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guest will be the medical physicist,

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inventor,

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and entrepreneur,

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00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:42,630
Brian Pope.