#384 - For King and Country on Why Joel Was Depressed After Grammy Loss with Hillary Scott + Getting Their Start as Kids Touring with their Famous Sister + Their Family Moving from Australia to Nashville with Nothing

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Speaker 1: Last night I had a bath and I listened to Bono. Here's that book Surrender, which is a marvelous book. I don't know, and just put the sound I speak from the bath like comfort me, and it was great. But no comforted me in the shower in the bath. Episode number three eight four for King and Country. You know somebody who messaged me and was like, what's up with all the Christian artists? Man? And I'm like, I guess I haven't brought anyone on simply because there are a Christian arty. I haven't none that on purpose. It's just sometimes you find music or people that are awesome. I don't care what they're singing about, and so but I mean, I guess we have had a few on recently for King and Country. This one Chris Tomlin. Is that the only two? I mean, there's been a lot of Christian people, but not people just in that space. And maybe they're just talking about those two. I don't know, But I was like, if you got a little time to complain about that, you've got too much time. We've also had so many guests. We're just trying to find different people. Yes, And it's like, who have we missed? That's awesome and for King and Country. So what had happened was the kind of root as to how I know them now, is that Eddie was asking for tickets to go to the show, and so Amy who knows them or you knew them, still knows them. It was like I got him and it was a very hard show to get into, and then he's like, I can't go, never mind, and so now he's gotta go. Hey, guys don't need the tickets anymore. So it was a little awkward. But then they came into the studio and they were I mean, blow me away good, even just for like three people or whatever they had in here, and so became friendly with them. It was already a fan of their music and how like contemporary and how big it sounded, and you know, I think I talked about this in this interview where they sell out these shows at these arenas, but they were in the grandy red carpet and people weren't paying an attention to them, and I was like, as you have no idea, these guys are all bigger than you. It doesn't matter. I mean, there are very few pop stars that can sell it on arena like freaking Country can and so they came in. I really enjoyed this. I feel like we could have gone another half hour definitely, Um, but I think it had to work out. Can we schedule this stuff pretty tight? Yeah, we do an hour, but every day we do an hour, there's something right before and right after it, so maybe we'll get them back in soon. It's Joel and Luke at for King and Country, which if you're just looking at it looks like Forking and Country. I see it all the time. Yeah, a lot of followers. They got a big tour coming up in the spring. What are we waiting for? Tour starts marks nine, um, he goes all the way until basically the first of June. For King and Country dot com. They talk about a movie. I'll let them do that. There's a CMPT Crossroads special with Jimmy Allen coming up this year. And this is their current single, love Me Like I Am with Jordan Sparks. I mean that's so catchy. That's something they didn't hear. Yeah, I still have. It's like in my head love Me like a little pause. Yeah, that's a jam there from Sitney, Australia. You'll hear all about their dad and their mom. And they're sister who I didn't know until after I knew them, But she was so big they didn't want to be known as just known as her brothers, so they tried to do it on their like with their own name for a while, which I found was interesting. But here we go. This is for King and Country, four time Grammy Award winners. Yes, sucking everybody. The Grammy's not paying attention to them. All right, here we go for King and Country. Thank you, guys. To be sure to check out Movie Mike's Movie podcast. It is the best podcast from a guy named Mike that does movies, that works for Nashville podcast I work that I've ever man number one. Al Right, here you go, Episode three four. Gentlemen, good to see you. Good to see you man from l A to Vegas. And I wouldn't say this, but I was just with you guys like I'm fried because this is the time jump constantly, and I'm sure you guys have to be too. Did you get I didn't stay for the show. As soon as I was done working, I flew right home. I had to get on the air the next morning. Yeah, you didn't even get the benefit of the payoff. I was going to ask how the show I'm assuming you guys went, we did? How what I mean Luke did leave early? Did leave early? Why don't go on? So I like, just to the Grammy, you know, the the Academy. I stayed. So let's we're gonna approach this a couple of different ways. One we'll approach it because a lot of folks that are hearing this will be introduced you for the first time. You know. I think we're both in a world of we have built what we've built in our place and it feels great, but everything is so fractured. We're reaching new people all the time. It almost doesn't matter how big it get it you just haven't. There's just so much out there. Um. And so we'll approach it is people have never heard of you. But we'll also approach it as we've kind of known each other at this rate for a little bit and we've just been a couple of a couple of hours together sort of minute. Feels good to see you guys, though, because I'm just not like that long for you. It's like a warm wish to all of you don't know us, but you know and love Bobby. It was awesome to see him in that environment because yes, he all the things, he owned it. He was Bobby, he was himself. But there was this thing of like, I'm amazed that you're here right now, Like I'm amazed that you actually you you did that thing? Are you saying that to me? Or I was saying that to you know, I'm saying it to you. Oh got it? Yeah? Thanks. I mean, it was good to see you guys, because I don't do well in Hollywood and I have a whole and I don't know, maybe you guys could speak on this in a different way, but fame, how we grew up is not fame now. Everything is very fractured. You could be wildly popular in one certain section of this entertainment world, crazily popular, and you could go somewhere else and nobody knows who you are. Or you can get all these crazy benefits, which I got all my clothes for free, which is crazy to me, and when I was poor, I got nothing for free. And so then there's this guilt, but then there's this awesomeness and you don't know which part like a drug. I just it's weird for me because I had nothing ever happened til later in my career, and now everything now everything's like happening, and yet there's still all these failures that you don't talk about, and so I constantly go through a lot of these these struggles and wellness checks on myself. And that is why we have podcasts. Everyone, Yeah, I know, this is great. You know I'm being serious. This is the only form left. I think that you can actually digest some of this stuff. I agree, and you can sit down in it, right and with you guys, I like, look at your shows, meaning I'll see video or pictures not even that you post, and it is They're massive. It's massive, I mean, and people that have seen you guys are passionate and they love you and you're selling out. But again, I would imagine that in Los Angeles you walk around there and people are like, who the crap are you? We felt awesome. We felt awesome on Sunday because we had Hilary Scott from Later. She helped us out. Every time we're like the redheaded step child. Usually we start walking down that red capital. Before we went on there, we were talking about how long it is. It's the longest one. It's a very very long ago, and usually we walked down there and people like cool to the listeners, this is what happens. So this is what So you have a pulicist with you and they go out in front of you and it's basically it's a free fraud. Is this sort of tests the waters, like embarrassing for me when I have to do that? Do you want to talk to these people? He ever want to talk to me? And and most of the time we've been we've been a duo for a better part of a decade now, about a decade, and most of the time it's like so you see get rejected for a year dies most times. But but I thought about you guys, is that they are all of these Hollywood celebrities that people know, but you guys are out selling them. They just have no idea. That's what was crazy to me because because we spent a few minutes together and you won't say this, you don't have to say this, and but it's my whole like theory on fame and fractured fame and success and for me trying to just find my own a film and what I enjoy and I have to do that now. I can't compare to what it used to be. You can't compare it to what I thought it we used to be, what my goals used to be ten years ago. But I would see you guys, and I would go, man, if people had any idea how successful, popular, and how many tickets these guys so like they would be going crazy to know that you were just walking down that carpet. But that was my thought when I saw you guys. Man, you yeah, you were a friendly, friendly face like l A. I don't like it. No, I think what you're saying, like, yeah, I think what you're saying is well spot on. Um l A is about putting on the way that you want to be perceived, right, and so everybody there is posturing at some level. O the people watching. When I'll tell you this story, So we were walking down. We were walking down, my wife and I, Courtney. We were walking down to our seats, and it was a mad house because everybody shows up late. So obviously the show started at five, and it's very tense, and so you've got traffic issues. So we're like five fifteen and the show has already been going and there's like hundreds of people trying to go down this one aisle. I'm like, why are we sitting here? This is insane. I had to wait in the car off a by the way seven Central, just that people know that it's back two hours. So we're waiting for it. And there was like this pressure behind us that I'm like, guys, I mean, we can't go any further and shore enough. There was a security on his radio going I've got Megan Fox here and machine gun killing and I've got to get them down there. But I can't get them down there, and she's having a panic attack while we're here. This is the megans that. This is the level of intensity and what you realize, Man, my heart broke for a lot of people in l A. That's what I felt me too. And I never thought I would feel that way until I got close to it. I always felt jealous of it until I would see it and go, I don't know that that's real. I don't know that if I was around that all the time, because it's a constant competition, right, I think it would kill us, man, I think so. I think you and I tore him from the same cloth. Well, I we sat right on the edge. So in the Crypto dot Com arena now, which but um, you know, the suit of the main acts and so on. We're in the middle at these table walls, and then we were just just on the side about five or six rows back, so we had like this perfect bird's eye view that was amazing, and there it's a it's a fish bowl. Man. People don't want to get in the fish bowl. And you guys maybe are more mature than I am, But don't you get a little resentful that you're not in the seats with I said, you've had, I said to my sister, I just like it's just you just feel you feel like an outsider. But then at some point you realize that that's actually a fish bowl that they're in, Like there's literally in the arena. You've got all these people pictures and that's going on right now, right What happened? What happened with just like so bored? I mean, it was like the greatest performances ever, you know what. I could see it from the side, like the hip hop performance. Everyone was losing their mind and you had been precariously right in the middle. Just like, poor fella, I don't know what to do, Like what do I do with my hands kind of type thing, except of this whole body. Congratulations on all the success and you want to go or how many? Then you can't be If you've won four Grammys, you're like Beyonce, then you can't be always to get more man Hollywood for three days too long. I love this fractioned fame. I mean, you go to TikTok and there's somebody. I'll give you an example. There's a guy as a kid um, his name is Brew and he got popular on TikTok. He just did ready in Detroit. But I like him a lot, young kid, but he just found a funny thing to do and he got TikTok famous, and he has millions followers. And I was talking to him for a while and some of the guys in the industry were kind of hate on him because because they couldn't figure how to do what he did, and I was like, dude, screw them. You figured out somebody something that nobody else could. And they're upset about it. But a lot of people know who he is. But he's very TikTok famous. But if you went to Walmart and Chesapeake, Virginia, he's probably not gonna get stopped. If he's in l A. He may get If I walk in in Nashville having dinner, people record me eating. If I go to Los Angeles, nobody gives a crap at all. Right, So it's so fractured where I go and when night. But that's I like that because for the most part, people don't. I think that's where we land. Ultimately, I'm with you on the like you can get stuck. If I was in l A. I think I'd be sort of a jittery mess and like sort of I would drink the kool aid if I could show a moment of self awareness, I agree would I would have drank the kool aid. But and it probably would have killed us both. We'd meet each other, you know, buying drugs off the street, you know, but from each other. Confused. But Nashville has been great for us because we often say, like if New York's the business and l A is the entertainment, like Nashville is the heartbeat of the arts. So Nashville has been amazing. And family doing it with family. I'm so proud. I was so excited he you married, because that's been the other part of it. It's like just the grounding of marriage in this whole, Like you're just trying to figure out right side up from upside down in this thing. And we actually love now. Luke is like six ft, so he's a bit inconspicuous, homeschooled. I know that doesn't make sense. All six ft, that's so cool. If he slouches is four but that's so cool. Um. But but so he's a bit hard too. But I put a bull cap on and yeah, it's not listen. Away from all that, I was proud to see you guys there and I just thought if everybody else knew how actually one awesome and successful you were, they just had no idea. It was just like you were just like this unicorn walking around and there with such success and they had no idea. And I was like, you guys, thank you guys. Something going on. Look at these dudes. It's great. By the way, you look great. Your suit was awesome. Here's a pretty good but it's awesome. Like I was like, I remember just going be like, dude, what are you wearing? Not for like TV? I don't like doing red carpets. I didn't try to apply to do that job. They came to me and said we need somebody to do this that knows a little bit about all formats. So if it was like grand Master flashes there, I could talk to him, Bonnie Ray. So that's why I was there, and I just but I don't know anything about fashion. And I'd be like, you're pretty like that's not what you say. I'd be like, well, okay, do you And then I was like, what's what you got there? What's that? City's like? I don't know, man, And so there it was, but congratulations on all of that. I digress from that. Um, let's go back to the very beginning. Your accents are obviously from Texas or something, definitely Boston, Boston, from Australia. What part born in Sydney, lived in Brisbane? What's the difference? They're different cities, Bobby, uh, Sydney is about a thousand kilometers south of Brisbane, so they're not even close. Okay, So I've been to Sydney, h wonderful place, right, loved it. Ye, it's amazing place. Haven't been to Brisbane. But I say, what's the difference in culturally? Because you can say that about America right in Boston and Austin. I mean Sydney's Sydney's New York and Nashville is Brisbane. Yeah, probably Little Brisbane have a culture like a music. I wouldn't to Melbourne. I wouldn't say it does Melbourne. Brisbane is interesting because it's um it's kind of locked behind an island that makes all the beaches not so cool. So, uh, it's a little bit more business iron it. It's a it's a younger city compared to you know, Melbourne is a huge city. Uh, Sydney is a huge city. Sydney is a huge city. So you were born in Sydney in a little town, a suburb of Sydney called WARUNGA true story, true story. So you're born near Sydney and you end up leaving to go to Brisbane for years. Why Brisbane though was at school? Was your parents? We had family up there. My dad was a concert promoter in Australia and he lost a lot of money on a tour, a single tour, and namy grant to and um, so he went up to We had we had family up in Brisbane and it was kind of like, hey, well we had to sell a house and I had to do that whole thing, and so we went up to Risban as kind of a holding pattern to kind of see what was next. And then parents made a decision to move to Nashville, Tennessee, and we went along. There was six of us at the time, six kids. So when he makes that decision or they made that decision, you know, the unit was Nashville. The was it because of the industry and the opportunity to have a shot at what his skill set already was. He was forty six kids. One on the way, Well, my mom was pregnant with our those sister Libby and literally Bobby packed sixteen suitcases, moved halfway around the world plane, train and automobile literally like flew in, got into l A, got on a train from l A to like Memphis, and actually ran over a bloke on the train. Wait all of you together a train? No, no, we all went together. How old do you remember this? Yeah, you do, your distinct memory, Okay, keep going. And then got to Memphis and got in a taxi from Memphis to Nashville to Union Station, like three miles from here. Um. We stayed there for two weeks. Two months later Dad lost his job. He had a job here though that he had advanced, he was going to be a manager, got fired, sleeping on beds, man out of clothes, no car, nowhere to get home. Where where are you sleeping on these beds in Brentwood Lipscombe Drive. So it was like a rental like you guys, Yeah, we showed up and uh, obviously you know, there's no furniture and so we lived in a furniture house for what how it was months? It was and we had the best time in the world. I was gonna ask if that feels like a loving time, like if if it feels like as kids. Yeah, that's what's actually funny about. You know, I got my wife and I we got four kiddos ourselves. And it's interesting what kids pick up on because obviously this had to have been and was a tense time for my parents, but for us, we're playing cricket inside. You know, I've never never allowed to do that. You know you have You were able to um make special memories because you felt loved and you knew you were loved. You don't care if you had to counch or not. You don't care if you had a bed or not. I mean, I just distinctly remember the sheet trying to put the sheet around making my bed, putting the sheet around clothes, and you're trying to get the clothes to kind of hang to to give you a corner of your bed. And I remember my mom coming in and helping me make that bed, and I never thought anything of it. It was just this kind of Yeah, great leaves, mode lawns, cleaned houses. So all of the money went back into the family. So there's your mom and your dad, there's you two. Who's older of you two? Who do you think? Yeah, he's looking deep into the grown taller and maybe it would take more time to do that. However, really thinking about this, but it would be older though. You have to at least take a guess. It's it's okay. You have a fifty percent chance of being right. I know, but I probably probably Joel, are you older? I am one never gets people do the same thing. Is he's not a it's a it's a leader thing. Sometimes you grab the role of I am gonna I'm just the big It's actually funny speaking of that. I think that's actually helped us in music. Is because I'm the only I've said this to Joe fias As that I will knowingly give you the answer to the first question the first moment in the room every time, because I'm his younger brother. So that's how it always was. It's always been that way. Um okay, but where do you guys ranking the all the siblings. I'm the deprived middle chow. It explains a lot. And are you the youngest of all? I'm the third youngest. I got a little brother and a little sister. Wow. Okay, So in this house there is you too, your two parents, there's two other six the six other kids five other kids, so seven total, five boys, two goes, two parents, your mind across the world. You get just flew all the wy across the world together. So he gets here and loses his job. So then what I don't know then what we were like literally ranking leaves. We found some lawn equipment of the house. We were waking leaves one day and someone came by and said, hey, would you help without because we moved in the fall or the autumn as we'd call it, And so we started doing jobs for folks. Um. Not long afterwards was Thanksgiving and and and so we've been going to a local church and they'd sort of we really stuck out like a sore thumb, you know, because you because accents. There's there's seven kids, all under the age of fourteen. You know, we weren't dressed and we were going to a Baptist church. So everyone in that that era, like the Baptist church was you know, the suits and the holding, and we just we had no clothes. So we just sort of rag tag, like two parents and seven little ducklings into the church. And the church really was kind of school class in the church really rallied around us and and um gave us away and we prayed for everything. We prayed for food, We prayed for our bills to be covered. Was that a big because for me it was if it wasn't from my youth director in church, and it wasn't for different different seasons of my life in church. But we've been had food Christmas presence, you know, and so and I don't want to asking that question by going that's my story and so your story please share it too. But I mean I remember once the only gift I got was one of those colors By paint sets and it was from their and the church brought me wanted. I'm just happy to have a gift. It was like, so the first Christmas we were here because we we loved Santa growing up. I mean we were home school as well, so I probably believed in Santa for about five years too many. He was. But and I remember mom coming because in Australia block your children's yea, we can do that where where? She said, you know, because in Australia with the big thing about Santa and Sander was awesome in Australia. And we came over here. I was like, hey, guys, Santa's only to bring you things from the dollar shop this year. And I was like, what are you talking about, Like, Sander is not impacted by our financial situation. He's coming and she was like, well, he might not know where we live. We're like, how did she? Of course he knows. It's sad like and and underknown to us. At first grade school, class found out the week weren't be able to give each other gifts and they sponsored our Christmas with Santa, and we had more gifts that year. It was just such an iron ironic moment. Didn't barely anything in our house. We're the most gifts we've ever gone, and just more gifts than ever. Did you guys feel shame? Man, I don't know if I you know what, that's probably a better question for my parents, because I'm sure they did. I'm sure my dad did. Actually it's still I think a wound him. He did um for us, man, my parents did a pretty good job of like teaching us like, man, it doesn't really matter whatever what everybody else thinks. And we were odd because obviously were you know, my accent has been very compromised now, but very Australian. We were. There was a bunch of us, we were young, and so you had all these the granny's coming up. Oh they're so cute, know you know, So you know, we were used to um sticking out and but I don't think I ever felt any shame. And part of it was it's funny because we still work together with family, real real close, and I think that if we hadn't have moved, our family friendships would be much more, to use a word that we've used before, fractured. Right. But because you come to a new place, you speak, you know, even though a culturally, even though culturally Australia and America are fairly similar, it's still totally different. If that makes sense. And so you're experiencing things that make you feel a little unsafe. So who do you turn to? Your turn to your older brother, you turn to your younger brother, You're talking to your You're leaning on your older siblings. And I think because of that, family has become such a strong muculus for us that otherwise I don't think makes a lot of sense in the Western world. But for us that's all we had. And so what happened was is you grew up with it, and so now yeah, we still work really really close to the end of the story is our sisters started traveling and and the older, yes, oldest and managed her and so is that kind of his path? Then did he did he go? And did you know she had talent? Yeah, she was in like the rock band at school in Australia. She'd done some demos and things in Australia, and so there was she'd opened for Carmen. Your sister is Rebecca St. James, and so in Australia she kind of already had I mean, she made she was six, she was fifteen, sixteen, fourteen when we came, Yeah, fifteen, I think when she signed sixteen, when she released her first album that he took around to every label, no one want to have anything to do with her, and took her to Forefront Records with Editor Gamo and Dan Brock greg Ham, and they said we'll sign her because ironically they thought she could be the next Gammigrant, which Amy Grant was the reason Waby the hearing the first place, because he lost all the money on the Immigrant to her. So it was sort of this bizarre full circle moment. And then we all traveled together. So we jumped in like a Ford fifteen passenger van. So you went with your dad and sister kind of tis almost his dad needed cheap labor. He looked around and sorry had five sons, and we all came the round our first our first jobs were I was a spotlight operator. I think at nine crazy stories child could be a broken I mean, Joel was a stage manager, like you know, twelve thirteen. I became a lighting director at like fourteen fifteen. I mean, just crazy things. I mean I remember going up to these festivals and it was good that I was speaking of being tall. I would go up to these festivals and I have these union guys, and you guys are tough cookies, right, And they would look at me and they thought, maybe he's sixteen, you know, maybe it's legal, you know, because he's not tall. And I was like this young guy and she would be performing in front of thousands of people as a Grammy Award winner and I was the lighting guy. I mean, none of it made sense, but you know, here we were. Did she have an I don't know if unfair is the word. Did she have a pressure on her there was a fifteen six year old because now here she is, she's what do you think as a kid, and it's all on her now. I don't know, I've never met your sister before, but I just think about that. I mean, she is now the son in that she's she's I just wonder what she what she felt like then if she was able to be a kid at all, or I wouldn't say not much, you know. And now Beck was always mature, well beyond her years. She was always a third mom. But you I mean, maybe it's just maybe as for me, as I'm getting older and and I've got young kids, you start to realize that there's pros and cons to absolutely everything in life. And she was always supermature. But if you if you kind of skip a few steps in life, there's gonna be some ramifications to that, right, And Beck's note amazing, But I think that she would come on, if she was ever to come here, she'd probably say, yeah, there was a difficult There was some difficult days because you don't get to live out childhood in some cases, you don't get to make some some mistakes without even a teenagehood and young adulthood. All that just it all rests on her, or did for a while a long time. So you guys are traveling around and then is everybody doing music in your family at some point? Though in some way obviously you're working making sure that the bit, But does everybody know something kind of yeah? So so like not like our youngest brothers, our general manager kid? Though, does does your mom and dad say everybody have to learn how to play at We were not down? We were not all in down with musical really, Okay, don't get Josh in here's to sing, it'll be upset. But could he play if he needed none? Okay? So he's the business guy? Was that always this thing? Even as a kid? Kid, what's been cool? Is like mom, really felt a promise when because she was terrified Mom, Mom, who's a hero. She had just had three brothers, all in the education system in Australia. They were all like principles of that. She pulled her kids out of school and then home schools all of them, which and you're also talking around you know, years ago is cooling. I mean it's still maybe not cool. But everyone homeschooled during COVID, so it became much more publicly accessible, you know. But but so she takes not only out of school, takes them on the road and she's terrified, like they're not getting a proper education. She really sensed to God say, don't worry teaching what they need to know. And what's crazy. As you fast forward you go down the list, we're all still working in the roles that we learned. Like so, our brother is an awfully successful lighting designer and director. He just you know, does like the chick fil a Summits and all the rest of our brother. Ben's a filmmaker. We're in the band together, you know. Josh is a general manager. Livy's an artist. Our younger sister in the Questry, and our older sister Rebecca, so that we're all still doing the same thing. It sounds to me like your mom's kind of the unsung because as we talk about everybody's stories here, your dad and and but it sounds like your mom was just such a fundamental at times unheralded like pillar, I love what you're gonna say, You're gonna say on the sun Hero, I was, I don't know where ye are your parents? Are they still alive? By the way, mom and dad? Okay, your mom sounds strong. Yeah, I mean that that's regardless that she just sounds strong. Here's the thing. You know, it's interesting because and I would say this with my dad in the room. My dad was the he's the full runner, you know, he's the he's the entrepreneur, he's he's he's you know, a big personality. But um, he's nothing without my mom. And I think for us, you know, even someone asked me the other day a little bit like, hey, how was it raising being raised in your family? And I said, you know what, it's interesting. No parents are ever perfect. We all know that. Everybody knows that. But my mom handled the big moments perfectly. There was never a big moment for me where it was like because I got I told my a c L in high school and I had, you know, some issue even being doing the job out on the road. I struggled with a little bit, you know times and Mom was Mom handled those moments, those ones what you come and you're like, I've got a little bit of a crisis going here, Those conversations, the moments that transpired after that, she nailed it. It It was like she knew the right things to say when I needed the right things to to to to hear them, to absorb them, to grow from them. She told them to me. It's just as we were telling these stories, I just felt hints of your mom at all times. That work pillar. That's that again. I don't know her. It could be wrong, but I felt like that that was the case. And when you talk about her being her family, being in the school system and she's like, I feel like this is the right thing to do. It didn't sound like the most popular thing that she could have done, the most conventional thing that she could have done. She heard her mom calling Nana just like and then please, why didn't she come home? This is awful? What is your husband? What are you doing this to your children? You know? That love stuff. Yeah, yeah, you know it's crazy, Bubby, here's a pair of them. It's uh, we truly just came from this is a true story. We just we've been working for about two two and a half years on telling our mom and dad's migration story the literally what from mom's perspective because she is sort of our unsung hero? And what do you mean, been telling it, working time telling it. We've been working a film. So when we're going on an independent, six million dollar feature film and we just literally hopped in the car and came from watching the first thirty minutes of it. So, well, isn't that kind of wild how we got there? Because we didn't I have all these notes, I mean looked at a single note on you guys, because we just started talking and we were here. We haven't really talked, haven't really even announced the film that much yet because it doesn't come out till later in the year. Well, what an organic way to even bring it up. They don't even announce it now, Well, what's funny is you were actually you were using the word unsung hero. That's what you want to That is literally I was about to say that, and I thought I'm not going to say it doesn't matter, but I did almost syndsung hero that Yeah, it's funny. Well look, that's awesome. I can't wait to hear more about it when you guys are ready to talk about it. Just back to the Los Angeles. When did you guys get back? I got back yesterday evening o'clock last night. And you're like, you're good, you have energy, not tired. I mean, what do you do when you done? We've done worse, if that makes sense. You know, there's a little bit of weariness. I get slightly depressed. I got a bit depressed from well, it was a bigger week for me because we flew out We did this Chick fil A Summer in San Diego the beginning of the week, and then I went into a bunch of like and had some great meetings and whatnot about the film and just different um entities and people, and and then went straight out of that into the the Grammy thing and then straight at that to home. And my wife's been away three weeks two she's in Spain working on a project, and so I just don't feel speaking grounding. I just I just got home last night and I was like, I just need to check in with myself for a moment. There's something too about like Hillary Scott, who you love. We love like she's just a joy, I guess, a human being. Yeah obviously lady, yes, but like Hillary, she's an incredible vocal because she's an even better person. And I felt we just I just feel little bit of sadness, like she featured on this song with us and flown her out there and I had this moment and it was still beautiful, but I just had this You sort of feel like a bit of a parent and I feel like you owed it to her to win. Is that what you're saying. I think you subconsciously are saying that maybe yeah, yeah, because it's just you know, don't believed in us absolutely. But let me just flip it around a little bit. I'll just be Hillary for a second. I feel like I owed it to you guys that I can see her putting the same pressure on herself and yeah, and I would if I mean if it were me and you were like, do this song and I'm like, haly, I come on and we don't win. I hope you don't put that burden on you because I think in the same way. She's probably doing that to herself in the same way, and it is not fair. I can tell you one thing about the Grammys and you're on the board and you don't have you don't need to comment on this. It's just run a different way because I know that I vote, and sometimes even with all the votes from my perspective, from what I have learned, not you guys. There are people that can sit in a room and go, you know what, I don't know if that we're gonna go with, we're gonna as a board just pick this one instead. And that was an issue for a while and they got some. So you shouldn't feel that way. And I'm I'm absolutely bananas when it comes. I am in my head all the time, anxious about stuff constantly. And I'll tell you, I think there's a lot of us that ways that we're similar. She's probably going to day I feel like I let them down. No, I think, And it's it's funny. It's a good life moment to just going. I mean, look, I wasn't contemplating passing to the next life or anything, but I just got home last night and again it was empty home. It was like six days away and I've been like, I've been going that hole came home. I've been going pretty hard that whole time, and I was like, oh, it's a bit sad. I literally had this lonely advice sat out on the balcony last night, just looking out in the distance, like on my own do you do that? When I would do that would be after a show. Now I didn't have a wife for a family, and I would go out and do stand up and have a really good show couple. I think that's probably that was the proverbial end of show for me. And now I go I go back to a hotel and be just loneliest crap. I get all this love out on stage, and I'll go back and just be sad, because what do you do? You turn on the fresh prints on the on the TV and sit there alone and wait for the next show. Last night I had a bath and I listened to Bono. Here's that book Surrender, which is a marvelous book. By the way, I just put the Sono speaker on the bar, like comfort me, and it was great. Bono comforted me in the shower. In the bath, I was fully closed and sometimes no you weren't, but I get that feeling of like rush, but your wife's also gone, so that's not helping things. But also you're not mere for a grammy. It's like I have to check myself sometimes too, And I'm like, but but that's the shame. That's the shame part, because then you go from like oh, gie, and then and then you swing back to this, like you like the life. I said to Rebecca our system and we're out there, it's like the life that we're like that we've been. We went from like literally seeing beds man out of clothes and I was like, back, isn't this amazing that we're literally in l a together, going to like looking at this celebrating music, biggest night together and we've devoted out lives to music. So it's like yeah, and so then shame creeps in. It's it's just a weird it's a weird cycles. And if we weren't crazy creative, I'll just use the alliteration there, we wouldn't be in this business anyway. But it just goes hand in hand with how we have to judge and juggle our emotions as a creative, Like that's gonna happen or I mean we got into this being like this, So why would we not be like this once we're in it? And so I st you guys are a therapy at all? Have I do? Let me know, you'll let me know. You're bloke or Sheila not now they call you guys called Sheila's Is that? Is that a woman in Australia, You guys do z or z z. That's weirder than all of every That's the weirdest thing conversation, you know, the weirdest thing. You guys in America say h it's h h. You say Henry, you know, I say for Henry, Yeah, yeah, I'm I can't justify the English language for many, many many reasons, the American version of it, because it's if I had to not learn a language, would be the American version of English because we got it everywhere all the time. You're just you're just doing the most. America is just doing the most all the time. Your rs how like Car? It's so hard to say, Car, hey man, how are you today? It's great to be here on the Bobby Bones show like that. My mouth is tired. Do you have different accents in Australia? Are you kidding? What do you mean, like you know, like, oh, you're a good eye. Might how you going. I just figured it was more Australia. I didn't know it's a different accent in Australia. Just figured that was like deep more in the middle or something. I mean, if you're in Australia and you hear a Boston accent, no, you can hear it when you hear the American difference. All I hears the thicker Australian accent. I don't hear different Adelaide, Adelaide, you know, Perth, Adelaide, Sydney all different in in the the outback of Australia. Those guys, man, it's a whole lot of language. Yeah I have, yeah, you know though some of those guys in there they get real yeah. But I just thought it was more Australian. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to tell that. I mean, I was like, well, they're really AUSTRALI you call them bogans, so you have sort of I suppose you call them rednecks. Here, we have bogans, like the bush is what I would learn, Like that's like the kind And this was the rabbit trail of all rabbit Trails podcast. Like you said, you can do what, you can do this, you can do this, you are your sister? Is her success? When when do you think it hit Not that she's not still at peak, but when did it first hit the peak for her? And where were you guys then when that was happening for her? Were you still working with her? Did you have aspirations to do that? Were you doing music around her? Yeah? So we grew up so we were Rhodes and then Joel started doing background vocals for Rebecca. There was some good footage of that, and you should find somewhere. Trouble is when you make it when you when you have kids who do not have the grounding of school, and then they travel and then you put them in front of thousands of people. It's just a recipe for like a home school of fourteen year old kids to think he's awesome and have no right. So it's just critous still getting to travel and do some of the things that different education. We are you jealous of her success as a kid, don't? I don't think that we ever really. I mean, for me, you know, I grew up with melodies in my head. I've always grown up with thoughts in my head, you know, um that could become songs. But I actually never thought that I would do music until probably when I was eighteen nineteen. Really so all the time on the road working in music, Yeah, so close to it, yeah, I think so. I just thought that I was going to be there help her along. I always felt like I worked for my sister, and it was kind of a nice thing, you know, and it was like there was no ego attached to it and it and it wasn't until you know, kind of Joel came along and I was like, hey man, what do you think about writing some songs and singing on some demos that we got to a point of kind of considering it, and I said yes in some cases because A I didn't have anything else going. But two, I think that I knew that there was something. I heard, these things, you know, I heard, you know, I used to listen to music and go, why did they do that with that melody? They should have changed it to this. So when you're around music most of your life, I mean you joked about it being traveling with our education. Music was our education. That is a thousand but percent true. And I didn't grow up I grew up playing a little bit of drumas but I didn't grow up writing, you know, working on chords or working on songwriting until I was about nineteen. Okay, so you did you grat do you graduate? Yeah? Quote unquote, we graduated school. So you have your high school diploma? You both do? Ye? Did you finish like a year before? Is it like standard school? Here's a funny story for you when I when I got my diploma sent to me in the mail. Um My mom my mom was like, look, here's your high school diploma. And I was like, oh, that's good. And she looked at me and said, you're the only one in the entire family that has graduated high school on time. Everybody else I don't know, a year too late, Ben, a year or too late. Yeah, there's a lot of josh, there's a great area with school. I think mom was like, all right, luck, you're dumb, here's your diploma. So did you um? Do you played basketball? Though? Right? He he's modest, but he was actually a bowler. And I know, I know this is true. And you mentioned the a c L injury which was held you back or stopped you. But how did you play ball? If so, here's all right, you know, if we want to go there, we can't. It's a podcast. We can do this. So I started. I didn't start playing basketballuntil my um freshman year of high school. It was the first time I've ever played basketball in the league. And I did well, Like I got player of the Year that year. I was pretty talk were you athletic? So I grew up playing sports, But because we were traveling all the time, I didn't get to play in the league's and all this add of thing. So anyway, I my sophomore year, I just tried to balance traveling with my sister and playing basketball. And because of that, I'd missed practices obviously, and so the coaches are like, we can't stop you if you're literally here, like two thirds of the time, your either here or you're not. So I started coming off the bench and I didn't have a great year. You know, you start to realize, like sports, you have to really dedicate your life to it. So anyway, I finished that year. Don't have as good of a year. Uh, And um, I kind of went to mom and dad. I was like, yeah, I just wanted the last two years of high school. I want to give everything to to basketball and just see what happens. And so I go through that, I get I get prepared for my junior year um playing sports. And the very first game my junior year of high school, I told my a cl and so in some cases when it comes to sports, freak tear or fall like hard fall, just a freak tear, just cut on boom and uh, I'll never forget. They called the time out. I came out and the coach looked at me. It's like, so you're good now, right, And I was like yeah, because I didn't know what was going on. And I get back in and this guy just came driving down the lane. I went to defend him and my leg just went and I was like, I'm done, but it just gum, this is this jellow feeling is a terrible feeling. Got on the bench and he's like, he said, what's going on? I said I, And I looked at him and I was like, I think I'm really hurt, and he gave me the weird I'll just never forget that look in his eyes. His eyes were huge, and he walked back and he kept coaching the rest of the game. I called my mom and I said, hey, mama, and that was when hit me. What I call mom? So do you repair it? And does it? Yeah? So you yeah, you have surgery a year later. When I went and played a year later, but I knew it was like, man, it's literally, I mean, it's what you realize with these professional athletes. It's it's amazing when they come back and really contribute a year later. Like if there there are those stories out there because it's a very it's kind of like relearning how to do everything. I mean even I went through all the practices, never thought of my knee, and in the first game I played my senior year, all of a sudden, I was super aware of my knee. Like, oh, I don't want to jump to confidence. I don't. I don't want evidence. Yeah, I just messed with you. So these professional athletes have come back and really, you're good a year after turning their a c O. You know, my hat's off. It's it's it takes a bit. So you're seventeen or eighteen and Joel you're a couple of years. How much older are you there? So if you're twenty, what are you doing it? When he's doing this? I had had an Australian one of Dad's actually old Australian mates. When I was about sixteen is he said to Dad. I remember we were on an RV because we rented these RVs for Rebecca on the road instead of two of us were cheaper, and he said, hey, David, you should your son should do music, and and uh it was I don't know Dad, his middle Charlotte, I know what it was, but it was never really a consideration for him. So for about sixteen onward I started writing and just sort of exploring music, and periodically between sixteen and twenty one, Dad had come and said, hey, I think you know you should, you know, you should do music with your your little brother, and I was like, I don't know, I don't want to mess with that. Yeah, he can play drums because he's a good drummer. And I was like, no, I think you should try writing with him. So almost to sort of shut that up, I was like, all right, and Luke at Towns a c l As I felt really sorry for him. Of course, that maybe an elaboration story. Dad wanted you to to actually do music because he saw something that could be completed, or do you think he wanted you to to do something together because you were brothers and you both were kind of just finding I think I actually think I think he actually saw something. I think he knew there was a there was a First of all, Dad's a smart cookie, so he looked at the market place and at that point there were no duos duos, so he's like, okay, choose. So he was like, uh, you know, this is a good idea of marketing wise, but he's like, there's something actually between you guys personality wise and voices that sort of blends. So personality wise on stage, are you do you have the same dynamic? Are you A? And are you? And I mean that's like type A because my comedy partner we do music, Eddie, he's such a type being. It's awesome. Fits me perfectly because he there has never been a more stable straight guy and it makes me. He makes me funnier because he's just freaking so everybody's like, Bobby is so good funny, But it's like it wasn't ready. I wouldn't be able to knock his Like Eddie's your baseline just but he's so like, is that dynamic with you too? The same as it was a brothers, are you the foundation? Are you since you're the older? How does that work? On stage? On stage is a little bit different, right because and is it different than creating? Does some really flamboyant moves on stage that I'm like, man, I'm flamboyant, but I don't even think I could do that? And you know what's funny? So anyway, off stage, off stage absolutely, because I haven't been to a show. Yeah, tickets, okay, Now it's a bit bombastic on stage, but offstage, which is sort of the bit that probably counts the most. It's it's so like there's the there's the yin and the yang, you know, like I'm out, he's okay with me taking the lead of points and and and it's really it's actually music we didn't get on when we were teenagers, Like he got taller than me. It's a bit of sports. All the things that shouldn't happen for a younger sibling happen with him. And so I resented him for bettering a you know, and it was actually music that kind of brought uspect together. But man I gave him a hard time. Was there a moment musically though, where you guys went, oh wow, okay, maybe like whether you can think back and maybe not an exact moment or a song that you wrote or you know. We had Dallas Smith then, who's a Canadian singer songwriter and he never sang, and he practiced once with like his two boys and he and then he went it was in default and there was this massive rock they had a massive pop song and he was like, I don't even know what I was doing. I just went and sang. And I was like, oh gosh, I'm pretty It was a slow it was I think it was the Jay Leno Show January. We was our first late night show. Wait, I'm talking about before, I'm talking about just as brother. Yeah. I just think it was a slug. And if people were to do like this and they had the footage, because they don't, but if they were to do like a documentary of the six years of Joel and I are developing, it wouldn't be very interesting because it was all the it's just the grind. It was never so natural. And then I feel like, oh, or but what's funny is you know what do they say? You know, you practice really hard, so it looks effortless. You know in some cases it's all the songwriting sessions where he pissed me off and I pissed it. You know, like all of those things are the things that shape you together and and and you know your humor has developed so resistant the moment actually comes, you're actually you'reified. And I think we didn't have a story, but we don't. We don't have a yeah, we don't have like a It was this moment. I've always said that the Keen Countries just always kind of been like this is this. We've always had just enough to keep going, and it just keeps getting a little bit better. And I think even like probably how we work together because we are in some cases an unlikely likely pair. And what I mean by that is you're unlikely because of how different the personalities are, but you're likely because you are so different, and that actually, if you have two people vying for the same spot, it will never work. I mean, if there was two bobbies, you guys would kill each other. And so it's you have to have some of that. And I don't think we probably realized it, and tell those those years it was kind of like now I can appreciate it because when I get up on stage. I can, I can sit there and I go, man, we we we work well together like this, this works. But when you're when it's undefined and nobody you know, you've you've you've not signed a record deal and you don't have a publishing deal. You don't have these things where other people are coming and saying I recognize something inside of you. In some cases, you're just wandering in the dark. Well, and then you lay on the Rebecca component like you're always in that shadow, like, oh, that's just that's cute. They're just Rebecca and James little brothers. Look at you. You still you still doing that little duo thing. Yeah, that's tough. And I guess I knew you before I knew her, right because we can she wanted Grammy kept we kept it pretty underwrap though initially because we we oh, is that a thing? Like you just didn't talk about it talk about And I guess that's why I'm not even I never even thought about not approaching it, because I just knew you guys first, because I had I saw Carmen in concert, I saw you know, I had my stage of when But I mean, you guys are so good. I think you could. I think sometimes and I'm gonna just pivot and get back to it. I think sometimes you guys get unfairly pigeonholed in a way that limits your growth because some people maybe think there are there ares we don't want them to be other in more mainstream areas. I don't know if that's a fair because you're Christians, you're Christian artists. But I think what you guys do and how you do it is is I don't want to say bigger, but I think it could reach more people even that weren't looking for a specific message but more of a generalized musical positive message. Like when I watch you guys videos, I go and the guys are good. I mean, that's it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that you're Christian artists, doesn't matter that you're metal artists, is that you're not metal artists. But there's just something about good music that trans ends, and you guys have that and and country music does it too, where they go, we're locking this down, it's ours and anything else, and they don't need to be trying to go outside of country music, and that you don't need to be coming over here and getting it it's always controversial when someone does it, and I feel like, and I hope that doesn't happen to you guys where but you are so good And I'm like, man, man, we try not to pay attention. I think so because because it guy's both ways. It's like you have the grammar read compet and you're like, hi, everyone away here, and you watch your publicist walk up, you know, and then the flip side, maybe maybe not, but but of of people who wanted to claim you, which we all do that like this is my person and we're trying for sure tribal. But country music is the same way. And I say that speaking from the same spot where country music does it to its artists too. I do you guys feel that that at all has happened where there's a certain so groups like we don't want to see you guys go out. It's because we're so proud of you. We don't want anybody else to have your are your are nights. You know, it's funny, you know that there's I understand the perspective that that comes from, right, And you've said very nice, encouraging things, and I thank you for that. I would say one of the things. Somebody said to me years ago that they've kind of taken to hot and that is you know, there's there's two genres of music. There's good music and there's bad music. And at the end of the day, there are some boundary markers and and um, there are occasionally some walls. But you're still allowed to write great music. And you never know. In some cases, when you start to think of things as I'm I'm just boxed in. I just have to write these songs. The magic of of and the brilliance of songwriting and the power of a song, it's is destroyed. It's it's it's just been blown up. But the truth is, man, it's not to say that, you know, if if as Christians right, we should be making the greatest art in the history of the world, if we're in touch with the creator of the world. I mean, this is a good thing, right, this is an amazing thing. And so in some cases when we say, well, you're actually good at what you do and these other guys are, it's like, man, well, what if we are all to raise our game, What if we're all to do a little bit better? You know, what if we're we ought to write a song that we call it crossover or whatever. I'm never going to leave these group of people over here, and who knows, maybe there's a chance I can go see these people over here. But the moment that I try to feel like I'm actually boxed in with the way that I construct my my life or my my songs on my writing, I feel like they actually won, you know, the other people actually won. Where my goal is man to write inspired music from the hot that's always has always been one of his and who knows the magic of music can take it all around the world. And I agree with you insteadiment completely just when you get a word put attached to you like they're a Christian artist, you are Christian artists. Your artists, you're Christian. You're a Christian. But but some people just wanted to give you a shot because and I guess at that point you say, well, I guess I gotta be and I guess, And that's frustrating to me for you. But but you know what, Bobby, there, this is where you're powerful, Like it's really meaningful too. But we followed you for a time and we've been fans. You know, um, there have been people like yourself that are confident enough in their own skin and um bold enough. The only part was one of them as well, because I don't care. This is good and and for for folks, for a pair of us who are trying to, I think, break stereotypes and and break boundaries and and come into wider conversations, because I think that's the beauty of music, is this free thing that we all get to be a part of, and it can meet us on any religious or irreligious level. And you know, it's universal language that there's people like you that actually raise the flag and go I'm in like, sign me up for that. And I hope our story has not been completed yet as musicians. I hope that that storyline continues, that that people start keep breaking down the walls. What do you like best about each other now as adults? It's a good question, that's a great question. You know, I'm not jealous of Joel, and I can see who he is as as a younger brother with I'm actually proud, you know, I'm not competing with him, and I love that and I and that's not necessarily saying about him, But to my point, I can say that Joel is a better leader than me. We have different leadership styles. I can still lead, but he has a god given ability of Like he gets into a room, people want to follow him. Well, why am I gonna go pete with compete with that? Can Can I offer him a tremendous amount of support in life in my role? Of course I can't. But it's one of the he's got. He's got drive that I don't have, you know, um and I and I love to celebrate that in him. I don't want to compete with that. It's like, no, I don't need to sit there and say, oh, I'm oh, I don't forget about me, man, I'm I'm proud of him. I'm proud of him as a brother, proud of him as a leader, and I'm proud of what we've been able to, you know, some of these things that we're able to do and and if it wasn't for him, many of which we would not be doing. Joel adult version. What do you love about him? I'm well, I love that he put up with me at such a long time. You know, I think you and I have probably taking snapshots of the our younger selves and just sort of politely and kindly and lovingly sort of shaking our heads and our younger selves. And man, I put in through the ring in those earliers because he hadn't written a song. He was as green as the grass on the lush spring day playing and so I sort of loaded that over him for a long period of time. It was actually was when he got really ill early in our public career that that it really kind of reset a lot. And even down the last year there was another reset um. But I'm so I'm proud of him for just staying in it, like and I'm proud of him for digging. And I think part of what Luke's type of personality, the peacemaker can just be like if I don't if I don't exert myself, then I never quite fail. But if I don't exert myself, then you know, quite win neither. And he's really he's dug in deep on not only our relationship, he's dug in deep on music. And then I'm really, I'm really I'm not a dad yet he's a father of four. I'm really proud of him as a dad, Like I'm proud of proud of the way he loves his wife. But he's just a good he's just a good dad, like he brings his brings my god children and his kids around a lot um. Yeah, what's the hardest thing about working with your brother all the time. You kind of know each other's tricks. You know, he knows when I'm you know, feeling one way or or you know, in some cases of going back off. I'm a good pitch man, but I'm a crap pitch man with Luke. To renegotiates, you can't. You can't, you know, he knows. You know. Even there's been times where there's been sensitive decisions that have to be made and I'm kind of dancing around some things and he goes, you know, tell me what it really is, you know, because I know you don't want to do this because of X, y Z. And sometimes they're difficult things to then discuss, but it must be discussed. It's those types of things where you you know, you know each other so very well. It's like playing It would be like playing yourself in a sports match. You know what you're gonna try and do to the other person, right, and you've got to But I think it's probably good, you know. That's one of the things I actually like about working with families, like at the end of the day with friends at times, and obviously work well with friends, but um, if they if you can't make them mad enough, they're just like peace. With family. You've still got to do Thanksgiving together, You've still got to do Christmas, and you've got to so in some cases you're forced to reconcile. I don't think that's a bad discipline. M hm. That's interesting. Do you feel like love is a discipline? Well, you can get You're always given the choice of loving and hating, you know, so in some cases you know you have it. The discipline of love is um, I think that's something that Isn't that human? Isn't that life? Isn't that what we're trying to do with life? Sure? I asked, I mean I was. I've been estranged from different before my mom died, and she had a lot of issues and we got to the point with her addiction that it got to the point where we got a strange for a while, my sister for a while until she got she's completely clean now. But I always dealt with is this a choice? Do I get to am I giving? I don't know. It's just a good it's a good question. I think with that specific ingredients. You know, it's funny. I talked it back on the plane belt yesterday. There's a lot of these really cool, like biblical parables that's just stories basically, But the parable the prodigal son, it's like we always focus on the kid and and like this guy is a bit of an idiot. But the dad, like the dad not only did he give him all the stuff, but the dad waited, like he didn't go and enable him. He didn't go. He might have died in the pig pen, but didn't go to the farm land. He didn't go get in the He literally actively waited for his son to return. So I think man loves all of it, loves and action, loves waiting, loves the boundary points, you know. But it's it's but, But I think where we get tangled up, at least where I've gotten tangled up, is like love. Part of love can be a feeling, but it is in my experience it isn't. I think it's your example. Man, Addiction is a tough one to navigate when it comes to am I hurting or am I helping right now? But if you're countenance of when given the opportunity, do you forgive? That's love, doesn't mean that I mean it's all gonna be perfect, but let's say something changes. Are you Are you going to be that? I forgive? Man? Is there any greater love than forgiveness? When you've been actively wronged and you're gonna give that post and the opportunity to forgive them, that's a big one. I feel like you guys have to be nice to everybody all the time because you're quote unquote Christian artists, and that will be hard. Yeah, I don't mind. It's an unfair I think it's and I try to be nice everybody all the time anyway. But still I can. And I'll give you an example of when I'm in a room, I feel like I'm a walt. I'm so introverted until I'm extroverted. I'm not an extrovert in any way whatsoever until it's time to perform. And that's where it sounds. It's all of it right. And so if I'm somewhere, just like in line at Chipotle, I don't keep my head down. I don't want to bother anybody, but some maybe like hey, we saw Bible and Chipotle can't talk to a single person. What a jerk, now, But I don't have And that's just me being well, you're not you're not representing this to make this a spiritual analogy just for a second, like he did. I always found it funny when it would talk about all the stories of Jesus, when he would go and heal all these people, right, that means that he passed by thousands upon thousands of people never healed him. He wasn't nice. Historically he would have based on the locations he was in, he would have just passed. And the other thing is is how many times did he say and he went away to be alone by himself actively saying no to the people that are like chasing him. So we should do the same at times. We can't be all things to all people. That's that's that's you know. But my my goal is to be generous. My goal is to be to be kind, you know, to the best of our billy. I think that's the way we meant to live. But there are times when I go to Chipotle and I can't. I kind of keep my head down and I go and order my food, and I'm with my kids, and I just feel like it's a pressure that you guys don't deserve because of then, and I've kept you beyond time. But um, we we did a lot of the data stuff before you guys came in. We know you're wildly famous, you got all the number one singles, you got all the shows, and you know, I just wanted to use this time that we had together so people get to know so good man, the folks. I mean, that's what it is. I think the best interviews you talked about it before. The best interviews is when you don't have to listen to the notes where you don't have to like, yeah, I mean I have all the I didn't really even go to it because I'm just interested in perspective mostly and as we own it with yours. And I will say this just probably as far as perspective like your, I think it's because you're so arranged in the people that the genres and the people that you sort of touch on as far as interviewing and and and and doing life with and holding up it's a very unique perspective that you have. It's an important one because you're actually you're a bridge builder, I think in between uh different people and and this is this is like the last frontier of a format. We can actually sit around and really digest some of this stuff. Like not give you a bit of candy to get your sugar levels up, but like, let's digest these these ideas. We feel very very sane. So thank you. Well, let's do this. Whenever you guys do announce your movie and do announce the project, come back. I could do another hour, but honest, I got my trainers on the front yard ready for me right now, with Eddie probably, and he's out there taking your well, I mean, waiting on me at this point right now. Man, if you're just getting out of it, man, this is good. There's no getting out of it, no getting out of it. But I I just I enjoy you guys. I know when I've been watching you guys the same way, mostly just because your science will pop up all over when I'm driving to work, and I'm like, those guys are both better looking than me, and i'd be jealous, and then I would listen to the music and go, I'm inspired, and probably not for the same reasons they think everybody else is inspired, the same reason that they're being told. I just listen and then motivated by the music, and then I would see clips you guys, you're just really good. And in the end, it's the most simple thing I could say, is that what you guys do, the elementary version, is just really good at it. And what it is isn't really able to be defined because do you sound good. Sure, do you have a good but you see your instrument daysers lives. Yeah, yeah, but everybody does. But but also it's just good all the elements people can do really well individually. But it's just something about you guys. Man, I don't know, and if I could define it, I would, and you can't. But it's there and you don't need my my little pep talk here. But I'm just I'm a believer and so keep it up. You're killing it. I love to see it. I'm proud of you guys, And that's all. Mike, don't don't edit that low spit out of the We're gonna beat it. I'm gonna take that and I'm gonna like just play that just anytime I have a depressing night, I'm in there. There are a few artists that actually moved me. I'm jaded. I'll end with this. I'm JD. We all get a bit jade because we're around the best of the best all the time. Where the town where the giants, Land of Giants. Everybody's good here. I'm moved by you guys, and I don't and it's it could be one of many things, but I love it. Thank you for spending over an hour with me, and we talked about it. But you guys go check it out. The spring Tour what are waiting for starts March ninth, all the way to the end of May for King and Country dot Com. And I'm gonna go work out, and you guys are gonna go to sit in the bathtub. And your son left in and now Mike told him about the pool. He's probably like the pool. Mike lives here. Good to see you guys,