Hour 1 – Bad Football, Greg Cosell

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: There are beer brats, jalapeno mac and cheese coleslaw, and I love that Dylan put on the menu all of the spicy mustard you can possibly consume, which is good, by the way, because the place where I get gas about halfway between here in Pennsylvania has a let's just call it a sub shop which does not have spicy mustards. So a lot to get to for sure. Want to welcome in everybody listening on all the Fox Sports Radio affiliates live on Peacock, including my mom. Hi Mom, I'm on TV is peacock? Is there TV or Peacock streaming both? Okay, Hi Mom, I'm on your TV. At least I know she has access to it. You can always check us out at Danpatrick dot com. I have several fun topics for you guys, both food and football at eight seven seven three Deep Show. The show's Twitter x handle is at DP show. I think you guys know I am at Ross Tucker, NFL, and I am very responsive when I'm doing the show and after. I actually really like your feedback and of course always cracks me up. A couple hours from now when people will say something because they listen via podcast. You guys can always check out mine, the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. So it's rare that I'm in here the day after an NFL game, because 's usually meet Fridays in the offseason. There was a game last night. It was the Broncos and the Raiders, and I got to tell you, if you guys missed it, congratulations, I'm so happy for you. If you did not watch last night's game. I don't know many people. I might not even know any that love football more than me. That was bad. That was a bad game. And I can appreciate good defense. I like, I'm fine with low scoring games, but I don't know how much of that was good defense and how much of that was bad offense. To put in perspective, I saw this stats somewhere. I forgot to write it down, so I don't know the exact stat whatever. You guys can google it. That's what the internet's for. I think it might have been the first game since nineteen fifty where both teams had more penalties than points. More penalties than points. I don't care how much you love the sport. That's a tough watch when there's more penalties than points. The Broncos end up winning ten to seven over the Raiders. So the Broncos are now eight and two, and I'm going to go on record right now and say that was the worst performance by a team getting their record to eight and two in the history NFL has a team ever looked worse and played worse in pursuit of an eight and two record, which they got. I gotta start with Fritzy this morning. We'll get to all your calls. Fritzy in all sincerity, how did you feel watching that game last night with your beloved Broncos? And how do you feel this morning now that you slept on it.

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Speaker 3: I watched every plan as they do for all the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: There was extremely frustrating and I'm starting to think like they didn't get a first down till the middle of the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: They're a rookie punter.

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Speaker 4: I don't know any of us could have punted, but I don't know what he was doing kicking off the side of his foot, couldn't pin them inside the twenty kicks it into the end. It was terrible and for a team to be You're right, for a team to be eight and to there the number one seed in the AFC right now, to look like that offensively, fans were booing and rightfully. So they wait till the fourth quarter to score points, which didn't even happen last night. At least you're thinking the fourth quarter they'd wake up and get some points. They're not gonna be able to let the defense. I know they got away within twenty fifteen when Peyton was hurt and everything, but you can't wait until the fourth quarter to wake up offensively, and the defense is not gonna be able to tell them out every week.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna have thirty three point fourth quarter.

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Speaker 4: Games against the Giants come back against the Super Bowl champions in Philadelphia in the fourth quarter. That's just not gonna happen. You can't live like that.

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Speaker 2: So I guess the question.

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Speaker 5: I got you there, By the way, just in case anyone was wondering, that wasn't pre recorded and then doubled in speed. That was Todd actually doing that live. That was actually live, that wasn't forwarded.

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Speaker 2: I want everybody, all radio or TV to know this. Okay, the guys have the ability. There's called talkback. Okay, so I can press a button. You guys, if you watch Peacock, you've probably seen Dan do it before. He can press a button and talk to the guys. But also the guys can say something to me in my left ear. And while Fritzy was going, PAULI said in my left ear, if you don't stop it, I'll just keep going.

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Speaker 6: I can't argue that almost lost it, Tom, is not like punctuation, all right, So you understand what I was watching least.

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Speaker 2: But time you're on a Now you know I'm a huge fan of you. Right's huge. You're on the biggest sports talk radio show in the country.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Pauses periods, but that these are punctuation is your friend? Situation is your punctuation is your friend? Todd, I had to get that all. I'm glad you did. But here's my question. By the way, you made some great points. We said a lot of records last night. That was also the greatest punter disparity punter. The guy for the Raiders is the AJ Cole must be the greatest punter. Twice he has the ball hit on the one and then make a right turn and go ten yards out of bounds. It's the craziest thing. Aj Cole was the best football player that I saw. Aj Cole and Max Crosby and Benino. But here's the crux of it, Todd and I want, I want to know what Paulie would think and Seaton and Marv. Do you look at it and say, man, that was horrible. We're not good. I know we're eighting too, but we're not good. Or do you look at it and say, I don't care, we're eating too. I don't care how it looks rating too. You guys can kiss my you know what.

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Speaker 4: For me, it's much more the former than the latter, because I know what they have defensively, and I keep waiting for the offense to prove they can hold up their end of the bargain and be a deep playoff run team, and their record is very deceiving. On one hand, you know, they could have beat the Colts and charges on those last second fields. They could have been nine and one or ten and zero. But my son reminds me some of those games that they just pulled that could have gone the other way.

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Speaker 2: They could be a.

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Speaker 4: Four and six team right now just as easily. So I don't know what we're getting yet offensively with this time.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I feel like you guys know, I grew up outs out of Philadelphia. Okay, So all my buddies and family and friends, they're diehard Eagles fans. So I'm on the text chain during every Eagles game, and it feels like people are like after a game like that, there's really one of two ways you can go. This team stinks. I don't care that they won, They're still not good. That was pathetic. Or I don't give a you know what, we won, that's all that matters. I feel like my friends they go one of two ways. Paulli, which way are you? Which way would you be? See?

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Speaker 7: I'm more of a middle ground guy. I try to be level headed. But I think a lot of people didn't see the Broncos play this year until last night because they play at one o'clock or four o'clock and you mix it in with the red zone. But last night stand alone, if you look at them last night, they did not look like a threatening team. And I thought three weeks ago, this is a really interesting team, really good pass rush. But then you look at their schedule this year. They have one quality win. They beat the Eagles by four. Otherwise their wins are against the Titans, the Jets, the Giants, the Cowboys, the Texans, and the Raiders. So it's like a false eight and two. You feel good at the position of your I don't.

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Speaker 2: Believe in that. By the way, well it's an NFL team. Yeah, they're playing other NFL teams. I'll say this as from a former players perspective. You never have to apologize for a win, and in fact, I would argue it's a really good sign when you win even though you played like crap. If you win an NFL game, even though you played like crap, you're probably pretty good. It's hard to win these games. Ask the Saints, ask the Titans, ask the Jets. It's hard to win NFL football games. If you're able to win when you look that bad, that's a good sign setan.

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Speaker 5: I think if you look at say a team like the Chiefs last year, I don't know exactly how many one score games fifteen in a row, but it was a lot of them, and they took that all the way to the Super Bowl. So now, granted, I know the Chiefs are the Chiefs and the Broncos are the Broncos, and there's history that we have to look at. But there's something to be said. Are you barely winning in a good way or are you barely winning in a bad way?

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Speaker 2: You know? Are you?

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Speaker 8: Are you barely getting wins to.

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Speaker 5: You know, advance and like I see, we do just enough to keep winning, or you could be on the flip side, obviously that and keep losing. But I think that there's a lane for teams who keep winning close games to advance, and that if at eight and two, maybe the Broncos could be that this year.

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Speaker 2: So what's crazy about that is that the Chiefs had the NFL's longest streak ever of winning fifteen straight one score games. Guess what they are in one score games this year, zero to four. Those things have a way of kind of evening themselves out. Although listen to uh Fritzy's point, the Broncos play the Chiefs next Sunday, I would be stunned if the Chiefs aren't favored in that game, I'd be stunned.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, PAULI, Well, that's why I was going to ask you. Records and belief in a team are two different things. If I had to say, pick the team that's going to go the Furthest this year in the AFC West Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs. It's close right right now because the Chiefs are.

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Speaker 2: Who's not saying Chiefs really?

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Speaker 5: Well, I have my like I don't know, May or June prediction, I don't remember exactly what it was. Was the Chiefs aren't making the playoffs this year, so I have to.

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Speaker 9: Stick with that a scalding hot of the time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'll just tell you right now. I would absolutely take the Chiefs out of those three teams to go to the Furthest in the playoffs. Absolutely. However, the Broncos have a real chance here to win the division and to greatly increase the degree of difficulty for the Chiefs to get back to the super Bowl. Yes, they can win three road playoff games. But if the Broncos can win that division, they're actually doing the Bills and the Ravens and a bunch of these teams a huge favorite. I think the first question is more or less this, is there any such thing as a bad win? Do you go ahead, Marv?

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Speaker 10: Not in the NFL. I think in college there could be. But in the NFL, a win is a win you're playing against, like you said earlier. You're playing against other NFL players, You'll take the win anyway you can get it.

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, Ay, I'm agreeing with Marvin. I'm a Bears fan, and the Bears beat the Bengals by a hair last week two. Their defense was awful. They made Joe Flacco look like he was in his twenties. They got beat all games. Their special teams were awful. That was an awful performance by the Bears. The offense was good, but they stole a win, and you're like, it's it's like the deodorant of a bad performance.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot to get to today, by the way, because we have an unbelievable guest list thanks to Fritzi, who we still need to find out why he's wearing a blonde wig. I got this civilian goat NFL films legend. Greg Cosell will join us in about ten minutes. Andy Staples in our number two, the college football expert for on three Sports. There's a lot to get to with him. The first college football playoff poll came out. We keep having coaches fired, but nobody's actually been hired, and we've got a bunch of good games this weekend. By the way, the Indiana Hoosiers are double digit favorite favorites at Penn State. That is a real thing.

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Speaker 9: You just said that.

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Speaker 2: On the national side, I think I like, I think I stuttered. Like the Indiana Hoosiers in football are double digit favorites in Happy Valley against the Penn State Nitney Lyons. And then we'll have Dane Brugler from the Athletic This is important. He'll join us at eleven twenty am Eastern time. He's probably the best draft guy scout out there. What happened to all the top quarterbacks for this draft? And if you're all these teams out there, like the Browns or the Jets or whoever, and your stock by first round picks, who are you drafting Dante Moore from Oregon? This Fernando Mendoza guy from Indiana. So there's a lot to get to. We've got great guests, including one other thing we need to get to. That happened yesterday? I guess did the Marshawn Neeland news the Cowboys defensive end who passed away? Did that happen after your show?

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Speaker 9: Yeses, after we wrapped up yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Got it? Okay, Well, for those of you that for the most part, listen and get your news and sports information from this show. Just an incredibly, incredibly sad tragedy that we found out about yesterday late morning. Marshawn neland he's a second year second round pick defensive end out of Western Michigan for the Dallas Cowboys. He was found deceased yesterday. They are ruling it a suicide, and man, it hits home on a lot of levels. I mean, this guy just had a touchdown on Monday night on a blocked punt. You know, I was once a second year Cowboy. I actually called multiple of his games at Western Michigan, and I guess I don't know what to say other than you never really know what's going on in someone else's life. You never really know what someone else is going through. Because from the outside, I think most people would think this guy is at the top of the world. He's twenty four, he plays for the Cowboys. He scored a touchdown on Monday night football. I mean, from the outsider's perspective, you would think this guy is on top of the world. Obviously that was not the case. And the only thing I would say about that is I think we lose sight sometimes because they're professional athletes and we see him on our television that they're still human beings and they still have personal issues. They still have family issues. Think about Josh Simmons, the left tackle for the Chiefs. He just missed the last four games because of family issues. Again, I don't know what those are. None of us know what Marshawn Neeland was going through, but it is incredibly, incredibly sad to think that he is no longer with us. I don't know if any of you guys, I don't know what else there is to say on a topic like this other than mental health is a really really important thing, and it's critical that we all check on our family and friends and don't just say how you doing. If you say how you doing and they don't say great, maybe try to dig a little deeper.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, Paulie Well, I think it's important to have you here today because, like you said, you were a player, and I heard Danie Rolofski say yesterday, when he was young in the league, if he had issues, he don't wouldn't be comfortable sharing it because maybe it's even though he's not that old, maybe there's a generation to go but in the locker room, how often can that be talked about?

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Speaker 2: It?

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Speaker 7: Can that be is our person you can talk to on a team you played the sport we didn't.

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Speaker 2: You know what's so fascinating about that. I think it's changed. I know that a lot of teams have sports psychologists now, so I think it's changed. But the truth is, when I was a player, I would not have told the team that something was going on with me or my family because I want them to hold that against me, and I don't know, you know, Marshaw Kneeland was starting, and he's a second round pick. So but the point is is I would not have told the team. And I can think of two different instances where I was not in a good place mentally during my career. My second year was something that happened on the field, which we can get to a little bit later in the show. My fourth year was actually a family situation, and in both instances, I was not in as good of a place as I would have liked to have been, especially you know, having to go out there and perform thoughts and prayers for sure, with Marshaw Neeland's family, friends loved ones just obviously gone way way too soon. Greg Cosell will join us when we return nineteen minutes past the hour here on the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Just getting started here on a meet Friday. Ross Tucker, the former Journeyman offensive lineman turned NFL broadcaster, in the big chair for Dan today with the Dan Nets. No TV game for me this weekend. I had doubleheader last weekend. Saturday, I did Army at Air Force. Sunday I did Chargers Titans, but there's several buys, so I don't have a TV game. I will be in the booth with Kevin Harlan Monday Night for the Packers and the Eagles on Westwood One. We'll talk about that a little bit later because Lambeau is by far my favorite NFL stadium. We gotta get into a little bit of a bucket list conversation. Hit me up on social hit us up, I should say at DP show at Ross Tucker, NFL would love to know which stadium, which venues are on your bucket list. We're gonna get to my guy Greg Cosell, who's an absolute legend from NFL film is momentarily but seton what are we thinking right now? For the pole question?

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Speaker 8: Well, there's only one pole question when you're.

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Speaker 2: In what's that?

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Speaker 9: What do you got?

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Speaker 8: Djon Honey spicy or yellow?

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Speaker 2: Ooh that is a good one.

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Speaker 8: Wow, Djon Honey spicy or yellow?

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Speaker 2: That is great because I need to talk about my incident.

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Speaker 5: I'm positive Rosell is on today, by the way, is to break down this polkrad and then do football.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Greg seems to me like a DJON guy, Like, pardon me, mister Cussel, but do you have any gray poupon? All right? Greg is what I'm looking for. Mako wants to send you to Super Week, give your car a paint job, and more. Visit Danpatrick dot com to enter daily for a chance to win and get official rules. No purchase necessary void in Alaska, sorry Alaska, Hawaii, and where prohibited, open to contiguous. That's a cool word. Us DC residents eighteen and over, Ends eleven, twenty three, twenty five. He joins me every Thursday and Friday on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. And yet that's still not enough. This guy's been working in NFL films for forty six years. He loves football and I love him. Check out I'm out on social media at Greg Cosel. Greg. Great to see you always here in a different venue. I think a lot of people are familiar with your outstanding work the NFL Matchup show on esp and ESPN two the next couple of days. I guess we got to get your thoughts on the poll question first, Greg. I know that this is why you break down the tape spicy mustard, yellow mustard, honey mustard or djon mustard.

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Speaker 11: I think I'm a golden spicy brown kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: Ross. Yes, I knew it. I knew it.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I'm I'm not a great pupon guy, I don't. I can't remember the last time I ever had great pupon.

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Speaker 2: But you know that.

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Speaker 11: That's why above my investment portfolio.

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Speaker 2: You know, I love the fact. Just so everybody knows, I talked to this guy at least once a week, now twice a week. I've never talked with Greg about mustard before. And not only did he say spicy, he shouted out my favorite spicy brown mustard, Golden's. He gave it the actual name brand. Gosh, this show is going so well so far. All right, we'll get to more of the mustard talk a little bit later. I guess here's my first question, Greg, after watching that game last night?

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Speaker 11: Oh you did?

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Speaker 2: Huh? Yeah?

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Speaker 11: I built Phil Badley for you. Well, I went to Better early Ross because I was at the gym at ten or five this morning, so I didn't see much of that game.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you'll break down the film later, So that's why I'm not going to specifically ask you about last night. But when you look at, for example, the Broncos and the Patriots, they both only have two losses, where are you right now with Bo Nixon Drake May? In other words, have you seen enough from either one of those guys to think, you know what, they might be able to do it in a playoff game against Josh Allen and the Bills or Lamar Jason Ravens. What have you seen from those two guys, you know, in particular Nixon May.

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Speaker 11: Well, if we want to start with May, I think May has played consistently far better than Nix has. May has just better traits overall too. I mean, I've had the ability to stand next to both guys. May is just a big, big man, and he plays the game effortlessly easily.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 11: One of the things that I was taught years ago, and actually I think it was a conversation I had with Phil Simms years ago. When you watch a quarterback and they throw it so easily, he may looks effortless throwing the ball effortless down the field and it's just easy for him.

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Speaker 2: To throw it.

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Speaker 11: And one thing I think is really stood out this year, and you're never sure about this till you get to the NFL ross is his ability to move within the pocket. You don't see a lot of that in college because it's not usually that necessary in college football to play like that, But in the NFL pockets get squead there's more bodies around you. How a quarterback reacts to that is something that I really evaluate carefully. And I think that pocket movement is a really important trade and May has really shown that trade. Nix, on the other hand, I think has been very, very inconsistent. I think that his ball location has at times been good and has at times lest something to be desired. You're almost and you hate to say this about a quarterback, and I like bo Nicks overall, but he's almost at the point now where sometimes you're just not certain what you're gonna get with bo Nicks. And and you know, obviously he's had these big fourth quarter comebacks, but you don't want to you don't want to live like that. You know, you want more consistency from from play one to play seventy, and that hasn't been the case with him for much of this season.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about that. When you're breaking down the tape and you see these guys play their best in the fourth quarter or in the last couple of minutes, what do you what do you make out of that?

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Speaker 11: Well, you have to look at the reason why, what kind of plays are they making? You know, if bo Nix has made a number of plays in the fourth quarter where it's been one on one on fade balls and he's made a very good throw, and then quarterlet Sutton has gone up against good coverage and.

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Speaker 9: Made a catch.

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Speaker 11: Obviously that play counts and it's a good job by both guys. He did make a great play. I remember specifically against the Eagles where he made a great read and a great throw to I believe it was sudden on a third and fifteen maybe if memory serves me correctly, and that was a really big time throw with great timing and anticipation and ball location. But I think you always have to look at the plays themselves, and that to me is just like interceptions. You always have to look at interceptions as individual plays, not as a number on a stat sheet. You've got to look at the plays. So, you know, I think that Knicks has made obviously they've come back in games, and he certainly made throws and he uses his legs extremely well. We saw that who do they It was the Giants, right, the Giants where they had that crazy comeback and scored thirty three in the fourth quarter. And you have to look at all those plays as individual plays, not just say wow, they came back. So you know, that's the way I go about it anyway.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny by the way, you think about some of the rookie quarterbacks that are playing right now, Jackson Dart and Yep and cam Ward and obviously now Tyler Shuck, And maybe they're not in great situations. You know, Greg, I called a couple of Patriots games last year, and they might have had the worst O line and the worst receiving core, and I still thought Drake may look good, you know, so you can still look good as a quarterback. You know the other teams I wanted to ask you about.

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Speaker 11: Well, just one quick point if I could. Yeah, when you evalue I learned this from people smarter than I am at back quarterback play. Going back to Bill Walsh, when you evaluate a quarterback cross you have to evaluate him separately from the circumstances. You have to isolate on the traits of the quarterback. We know that certain teams don't have great receivers, or certain teams may not have a great run game. That's all fine. That has nothing to do with how a quarterback plays. The position of quarterback, you have to isolate the quarterback and separate him from the rest of the team. That's how you evaluate a quarterback. You understand that, hey, maybe he's not throwing to great guys, but that doesn't dictate how he goes about playing the position of quarterback.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's evaluate a couple of other quarterbacks, because again looking at the top of the standings, I see the seven and two Indianapolis Colts, Yeah, and I see the six and two Seattle Seahawks and Greg No matter who I talk to, they are not gonna believe in danel Jones or Sam Darnold until they actually see those guys win a playoff game. What are you seeing? Are you seeing enough that the rest of us should buy in and should believe that these teams are real?

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Speaker 11: And I don't think give it like that.

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Speaker 2: Row.

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Speaker 11: It's like, you know, when people say, are these teams for real? All I know is what we have up to this point and how these teams play. So if you look at the Colts, and by the way, Daniel Jones made some really good throws this past week, even though they lost to the Steelers and he had to drop back fifty five times, which, as you know, no coach wants a quarterback to drop back fifty five times in a game. He had twenty six dropbacks alone in the fourth quarter, and as I said, he made some big time throws. Now, there's a team that is very much based on the fact that they dominate on first down, and first down domination is the result of being in control of games close enough that you can do what you want to do on first down. Jones had the most first down passing yardage in the league. Jonathan Taylor is among the league leaders in first down rushing yardage. They dominate on first down, and when you can't do that, the game changes. And then when you have to drop back on every single play, as they did every play in the fourth quarter last week was a pass twenty six plays and as you probably saw, there are two tackles in that game. Did not play well in one on one pass protection when they were asked to block one on one against Watton Heismith. So they had a very difficult game. But I think the nature of the Colts offense is such that if they can stay within the game that they're very very good. Donald he's another guy. He's really good in specific ways. Every quarterback for the most part, Ross has defined strengths and then certain limitations. That's just true with every quarterback, even great ones. Okay, so Donald is really good as a play action quarterback. The reeds are more defined. He pushes it down the field as well as any quarterback in the league. Now they have Shaheed that's only going to help in that regard. Donald is better in that kind of offense than he is, let's say, in the shotgun offense sitting back there being asked to scan the field. So if all of a sudden they get down big and he's asked to do that, he may not look as good because that's not what he does. As well as play in an under center play action game where they can control the pace and tempo of the game.

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Speaker 2: More so, greg Our producer here is Pauly Papps and he's a die hard, die hard Bears fan. So you talked about bo Nicks, you talked about Drake may I think he'd be upset if I didn't get your evaluation of Caleb Williams, the number one pick in the last year's draft. Where are you and what are you seeing on the tape with Caleb Williams? So far this year in Ben Johnson's offense.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's been a work in progress, and I totally expected that it's a very difficult offense, just starting with the operational perspective, Rawson, you know what I mean by that, where you know, calling the play in the huddle where there might be two plays called, then there's alerts. Then you want to have enough time when you get to the line of scrimmage because that offense features shifts and motions. Then you want to have Williams be able to sort of research the defense. So the operational part was something he really struggled with as a rookie under a different coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: But then he had to learn that this year.

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Speaker 11: I would say that last week in the game, last week now, and again this is not relevant to me that Cincinnati doesn't have a good defense. But I thought you saw a lot more of the Ben Johnson pass game concepts come to fruition, and I thought that there were times Williams looked really good executing those. Now there are still times because it will be a work in progress, where he was a beat slow with his reads and did not get the throws that were there. There are times there's a little bit of an unfocused phonetic nature to him to his pocket play. That's his next step in his continued development. But I got to tell you, this guy throws the ball. It's crazy the way he throws the ball. And when you talk about with throwing the ball on the move, I mean, this guy has an absolute power hose when he throws the ball on the move. I don't know if I've seen anybody throw with that kind of velocity, even Aaron Rodgers in his prime, with that kind of velocity on the move.

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Speaker 2: Check him out on social media at Greg Cosel and check him out every week on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast Thursday or Friday. A lot more hardcore football talk where that came from. Greg. Thank you so much for the time here on the Dan Patrick Show. Really appreciate it. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 11: Ross, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Awesome to talk with. Greg. I am very curious to hear how Paully feels about what Greg just said, because you could That's another one. You could have taken what Greg said and you could go, hey, I loved what he had to say, or you could be negative and take it the other way. We got the play of the day. We got Paully's reaction to the Caleb Williams breakdown. I'm gonna check my social media mentions at Ross Tucker NFL because I want to know. I know what the poll question is, but I want to know your specific favorite mustard. Is there a brand? Greg co Sell just called out goal and spicy Brown. If you have a main brand mustard, I'd love to hear about it at Ross Tucker NFL eight seven seven three DP show. Probably get into one of your calls when we come back. It is forty one minutes past the out here on the Dan Patrick Show.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Oh my God, the play of the day.

00:33:32
Speaker 9: God play.

00:33:34
Speaker 1: This is the play of the day.

00:33:37
Speaker 3: Check this out.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: Broncos look like they may pressure this a bit.

00:33:40
Speaker 9: Snap is good. They do bring some pressure and they get to it.

00:33:44
Speaker 2: They blocking the balls, pouncing.

00:33:45
Speaker 3: Around, picked up Denver's football inside the Raider fifteen yard line.

00:33:55
Speaker 2: The Broncos block the Raiders punt. The block punt set up Denver for the go ahead field goal YEP, the game winning ten to seven field goal, the only points for either team in the second half that produced six punts, two interceptions, two missfield goals. The Broncos have won seven straight games, the team's longest winning streak since twenty fifteen. That audio courtesy of ninety four point one FM, the Broncos radio network to play the day. By the way, if you're ever worried about the safety of your home, listen up. Simply Safe is giving early access to their Black Friday sale. Takes sixty percent off any new system at simplysafedan dot com. That's simplysafeedan dot com. There's no safe like simply Safe. Okay, So at the top of the hour, we're gonna dive into a little bit of Kyle Football, and I gotta tell you about my favorite NFL stadium by far, and the stadium that should be on your bucket list. But we got a couple items here that we need to get to. One of which, PAULI, is your reaction to what Greg Cosell said about Caleb Williams, Because he started out with work in progress and then towards the end he was like he's making throws at even Aaron Rodgers doesn't make so I'm very curious. We're about to find out if you're a glass half full or glass half empty person, PAULI.

00:35:36
Speaker 7: Work in progress is not a compliment. It's when you don't have all the facts yet you like, I still haven't made a decision on a quarterback. When you watch Caleb Williams, when I watch him every week, he masters the spectacular, he hasn't mastered the mundane.

00:35:51
Speaker 9: He drops back and will.

00:35:52
Speaker 2: Well said, I'm gonna steal that. By the way, that's really well said.

00:35:55
Speaker 9: Thank you.

00:35:55
Speaker 7: He'll make a highlight across his body throw that only five people can make league. But on a third and four, he doesn't just throw it to the guy in the flat who's wide open. If even if you look at the end of the Bengals game the other day, he had that great throw to Colston Lovelin that won the game.

00:36:11
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's unbel the.

00:36:13
Speaker 7: Two plays before that, he scrambled with his back to the defense twice and was it looked like a catastrophe the two plays before that. So the two plays before were almost a catastrophe by Williams by his scrambling and the next play was a beautiful throw on time, on target. I think he does not play. He's almost too talented and doesn't take the easy stuff.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: All right, Marv, I'm going to put you on the spot here. Would you rather have a quarterback that masters the mundane but is not capable of doing this spectacular or would you rather have a quarterback that can do the spectacular but is very much a work in progress with the mundane. Master of the mundane, for sure. Oh you win super Bowls that way?

00:37:01
Speaker 7: All right, Paulie, I have a name for you, Jared Goff. Jared Goff does not make spectacular throws. He doesn't have great physical skills. They can get out of danger, but he seems to take all the smart plays for the Lions and get the ball out quickly.

00:37:15
Speaker 2: I mean, can you say Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manna. Sure, No, those guys think you a whole lot of spectacular story invented it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know, seems like mastering the mundane seems like a pretty good way to go. The other thing that I absolutely love about the show is just how incredible your audience is. I don't know how many stations we're on. We're on a lot because we've got everybody calling in an eight seven, seven to three DP show, and I promise I'm trying to be better about getting to some of those. But also on social media, people hitting us up at DP show at Ross Tucker, NFL, Loewen Semph Extra Hot, German Mustard, Sweet and Spicy Mustard, Stadium Mustard Beer and brought Horse Radish Mustard fantastic. People have like very strong opinions about this specific type of mustard.

00:38:10
Speaker 7: Do you have one my go to mustard company, Wobers, you're like it? They got everything spicyt.

00:38:16
Speaker 9: W W O E B E R old school.

00:38:20
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta admit something. Probably shouldn't do this on the radio. I have no idea what's even in mustard? What even is mustard?

00:38:27
Speaker 9: It's ground up mustard, seeds and other things.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: What are the other things? Boy, you don't know either.

00:38:34
Speaker 7: You don't know either, No, but it's lots of other fills to give it. Well, you gotta have you gotta have water, you gotta have paste, and do you know.

00:38:42
Speaker 3: Probably some kind of paprika and oils.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, pronounce the word p A p R I k a paprika. It's paprika, right, I thought it's paprika.

00:38:55
Speaker 3: I could be totally wrong.

00:38:57
Speaker 2: Is it paprika or paprika?

00:38:59
Speaker 8: See, it might be regional. I would say paprika, Yeah.

00:39:05
Speaker 7: Paprika, Mark bell pa, but pronounce pu Or would I say paprika?

00:39:09
Speaker 2: No, No, No one has ever said paprika real Marv, Paprika, Paprika, paprika, pat Oh my god, paprika.

00:39:21
Speaker 8: It might be paprika.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: Are you guys pulling one over? Is this a fast one?

00:39:26
Speaker 9: PAULI paprika? Like if you said, what do you put in there? Paprika? Yes, like paprika.

00:39:31
Speaker 2: Listen. I guarantee that there are chefs listening to the show right now. There are people that specialize in selling seasonings. In fact, they are in their car going to the next restaurant chain to try to sell them more of their seasonings. They do not walk into that restaurant and say, I've got some new, delicious paprika for you. Nobody is selling anything called paprika. I got some great papri.

00:40:00
Speaker 7: Ritzie doesn't cook and has never used it. By the way, mustard is ground mustard, seeds, vinegar, water, wine or in various spices.

00:40:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest with you. I don't even know what a mustard seed is. Where do you get a mustard seed?

00:40:13
Speaker 9: How can you love mustard that much?

00:40:15
Speaker 2: But who grows mustards? Who grows mustard seeds?

00:40:19
Speaker 9: Great people?

00:40:20
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good point. Wisconsin, right, that's where they got the Mustard Hall of Fame.

00:40:25
Speaker 9: I believe Checkie might be in Iowa.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: No, I think it's Wisconsin. I think I've driven by it. I will be there Monday night. It's a little bit of a tease to what we're going to talk about when we return. We also get into some college football with Andy Staples. We're rolling here. Our number two's next