Introducing Best Laid Plans + Q&A Part 2

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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. On the side, we are two working parents who love our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of both Worlds. Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. We want you to get the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty seven. Today we are going to be talking about Best Laid Plans, which is Sarah's wonderful new podcast on all things planners and planning. We're also going to be answering a few more listener questions that came in through our Instagram account, which is Best of Both Worlds podcasts. So Sarah tell us all about the exciting launch Best Laid Plans. Yeah, I mean, I'm very nervous because now the pressure is on since I we are recording this before you know, I did get the okay from the we're working with the I'm working with the exact same group that Laura and I have been working with for Best of Both Worlds. So I do feel very confident that they know what they're doing, and then I kind of know what I'm doing, which is kind of cool to be at that point where I'm like, actually, I do know the pieces that it takes to launch a podcast. And it's funny because like, you accumulate that kind of knowledge without realizing that you are, because I know that it can seem very daunting, but I was like, oh, I do kind of know how to do this. So I'm working with the same group and they have told me that we are going to be good for a launch on Monday, August third. I have a couple of little pieces to put in place, but all my first three episodes have been recorded, so that part is done and I'm going to be releasing two of the first episodes on the launch date. So tell us why you decided to do this and what exactly listeners are in for when they when they tune in. Yeah, so this is not a replacement Best of Both Worlds. They're very different content focused podcasts. But you guys know how excited I get when we've done our planner related episodes, like we had a plan of Palooza in I think our first year, and then we did a part two, and I just have so much fun talking about those topics and writing about them on my blog, and there's been at least a small demand for more of that content. And while writing about it is fun and I do it and I can show pictures and everything, I felt like it would also be really fun to talk about. And I do listen to a few solo podcasters who help me feel like it's possible to have an engaging podcast with that kind of content. So instead of being you know, about just life and work and making it all happen, like this podcast is going to continue to be, this one is going to be about planning strategies, planning practices, and then the actual tools we love to use while doing so, so the actual paper products that I love and love to learn about, as well as a focus on some other you know, planning philosophies and techniques that I will bring in guests periodically for. But I don't plan on having guests quite as often as we do on this podcast, in part just because I don't want to sign myself up for more than I you know, I don't want to buy more than I can choose, so to speak, And I know that, you know, planning and recording a podcast on my own is something that can be done in a really reasonable amount of time, but it takes more work to coordinate with a guest. And also because I'm hoping, hoping that my voice is going to add something and that I'll have enough to talk about, and I can always revisit that and change the structure if I don't. Now the plan is to be weekly. Correct, Yes, So my tentative structure as it stands right now is basically to have one week of the month be just like about planning techniques of some kind, the second week of the month to be about some beloved product or system, the third week of the month to be a guest and then and by the way, the product or system could be like a review, like maybe I'll order something to try and kind of go through a deep dive of what makes it good, who could use it, what's functional about it, what's not? Again, the third week would be our guest one, and then the fourth is going to be like a mailbag Q and A. Because recently I've listened to some podcasts that I've enjoyed, then incorporate that, and it feels like there's never any end to great questions on certain topics, and I think planning is no exception to that. And then if there's a bonus fifth month, fifth week and a given month, I don't know, TBD, maybe another technique or maybe some kind of concept deep dive, we will see excellent, sounds great. Well, I plan to subscribe, and I hope that everyone listening to this will do so as well and pick up some great planning techniques and maybe discover a love of washy tape and markers. Oh, I hope. So. So it's going to be available on all the platforms including like Spotify, and it should be on Apple, and it should be on Stitch and all that. Fully that will go off without a hitch. And as this airs, that podcast will have launched, hopefully yesterday, So that means, as you're listening to this, you can go ahead and search for it. And it's called Best Laid Plans with Sarah Hartunger, but I believe Best Laid Plans should hopefully pull it up. It has a picture of little notebook on it. If you're looking for the graphic and the first two episodes that are available are episode one, which is just kind of a hello and my planner journey, and episode two, which is a deep dive into my weekly review process. So I hope those are a good kickoff and you can look forward to having some guest episodes in the future. Oh and if you have suggestions for guests, I am wide open. I can imagine having, you know, bullet journal experts from Instagram. I can imagine having somebody who manufacturers planners, or someone who really has a unique planning technique that they talk about or teach about. So I'm open to all angles of this, and if you have a thought or want to pitch yourself, please let me know. Yeah, so please is check that out. I'm very excited about the launch. It's always good to hear Sarah's new stuff that goes out into the world. So let's all go and subscribe to that right now, thank you. I think it's just going to be fun, you know. I have no idea where it's going to go or how long it will last, but no matter what, I feel like it's going to be worth playing with. So podcasting is fun. People, like, you know, yeah, you should all do it. It's work. It's also work, like it's not. It's fun. It's structured fun. You use your brain, you get to you know, get your voice out into the world. You get to hear other people's voices. And that's actually Laura and I love that by the way, she will forward me and I will forward her, like if we hear from one of you guys and how something we said either helped or you know, made you think in a different way. And when you write back to us, we absolutely like if it gets sent to one of us, we forward it to the other one. A are like, hey, look at this. It makes us very happy. So that's a very fun thing about podcasting, very much. All right, Well, let's go back into our listener Q and A because we got a ton of great questions over on our Instagram account, so we did several last week. We're going to go ahead and start up where we left off. So, Sarah, we are four months, five months whatever it is into this pandemic. Any habits that you're hoping to keep as life returns back to normal. Yeah, so there definitely are some habits that I think will probably stick. I've been very into taking walks outside in the middle of my work day, whether I'm at home or at work in my medical office building, and I think that's going to continue. It was like, Oh, I have permission to do this, like somehow now that they'll like button seat expectation. Oh it's thundering. I don't know if you can hear that, but that's right here too. Parly, it's the holiest coast I don't know. That is why walking outside in Florida in the summer can be a little difficult, but when it's weather permitting, it's a nice way to get a break in my day. So that's been a new kind of pandemic really to have it. I will say that working more remotely in general, just with a lot one, just as many companies have kind of embraced that for their employees. I'm hoping that my institution will allow me to continue to do some of my non clinical work in a remote setting if I want to, because it does take time to commute, and if I can remove that from my day, then I can actually get more done. And I think I've spoken before about how sometimes during my GMME time, my clinical stuff will just encroach upon it just because I'm there. Well, being at home has really helped that not be so much of an issue, and I find that I'm actually able to sometimes be more productive than I would have been in my office. So I think that I will continue to do more work remotely when possible. So Tellenthealth, Yeah, I think patients really like it. It's more convenient, and while I don't think it's going to for place in person visits, I think it's going to be something that's here to stay. And finally, I have developed a habit of using a bullet journal because I felt like the flexibility and the ability to focus on day at a time was even more conducive to pandemic living than my normal planning methods, although if we're being fair, my prior planner probably could have done just a good at the job. I think it's just been more fun to experiment with a different medium. But I think it's going to be here to stay. I really enjoy doing it, and you know, adding additional pages and I don't know, it's been like a fun, relaxing hobby for me on the side, so I don't think that's going anywhere. Very cool. We've started, you know, we order in for dinner on Thursdays, and I think that may continue as a new habit. We never had much of a takeout or delivery habit before, but you know, it's been kind of nice to have that going. And we've actually been using the sun Basket kits, one of our sponsors that we use those, and that's been kind of fun to have that. We may keep going with that past the pandemic as well. How about things you want to stop doing. There are things that you've changed as a result you've stopped doing with the pandemic that you don't plan to resume. Got me to go first, Okay, going not. I don't want to stop date nights necessarily, but I think I don't miss them nearly as much as I thought I might, So I'm going to be looking forward to us probably reducing those in the future. Especially we used to do a lot of going out to nice restaurants and hiring a babysitter, and those evenings could easily run three hundred dollars between the cost of a Miami restaurant and you're well compensated childcare. So I think that's just not going to be something we do as a matter of routine, so that's going to be different. I think I am committed to not overscheduling the kids. The abrupt stop in everything just made me realize that I think we were trying to do too much and I don't think it was really benefiting anyone. So that has been a really important lesson learned. And then finally, I have noticed that a lot of meetings have gotten a lot shorter now that they're held in virtual format, and it seems like people are more willing to cancel something if there's really nothing to talk about, because I think there's maybe something about not having the sunk cost of having reserved a room and like the idea that people have carved out time to go to a specific spot. So I'm hoping that we can stop having long standing meetings, although again not entirely under my control. Yeah, I mean the overscheduling kids thing is such a hard one because you can wind up overscheduled when you have lots of kids, even though any individual kid isn't doing anything that is over the top. I think I will definitely have no interest in pushing them to do stuff they don't want to do. My interest in arguing people into the car is minimal, but the problem is sometimes other kids have to get argued into the car for a sibling going somewhere. So yeah, I recognize that's just going to be part of life again, and I will just try to view this break from it as a positive. And I but the kids are so looking forward to having more time with friends and Slutch in the future, so you know they miss that as well. So you mentioned little life luxuries you recently cut out. This is another question from a listener since Sarah has been a little bit more on fire as it were, and really the financial independence to retire early, well at least just thinking about budgeting more seriously, right, Yes, yes, well, I'd say what we've cut out is as I said, date nights, travel, but I miss it, so I don't plan on leaving that out of my life long term or our family life. One thing that I actually, I will say, I'm not sure is worth the prior effort and expense with Salon Manny Petties, because I can do a barely approximate I'm working on in my skills and I'm not quite as good. But honestly, I'm not sure I'm like fifty dollars less good so I think, yeah, maybe I'll become a home manicure artist. That sounds good. Yeah, we're not doing date nights right now either, but I really do hope to add those back in, so it's not a luxury I'm cutting out forever. All right, Well, let's take a short break and we'll be right back. So we're answering a bunch of listener questions in addition to earlier in this episode, we were talking about Sarah's new podcast, Best Laid Plans. Please go check that out if you haven't already, I'll listener wrote in with what are your tips for a great home workstation set up? So this is, you know, different for everyone, kind of depends what kind of work you are doing. You definitely need a desk, you need a chair, you need hopefully some light. Being by a window is really helpful for not feeling like the world is ending a door to your office if at all possible, and if you have one that locks nice, definitely good. But beyond that, I think a lot of it is more based on your preferences and what kind of work you do. Sarah, you have an additional monitor, right, Why did you wind up doing that? For our medical chart stuff for our electronic medical record. The laptop is very bad because it's designed for a wide screen, and also a lot of times it's helpful for me to have two screens in addition to the screen where I see my patients, because like for my diabetes patients, I can be doing my notes in the large EMR screen, I will be looking at the patient's download information on my small screen, and then actually looking at the patient on my phone screen. So I do sometimes have all three going at once, and I found that that setup is actually pretty good. It is not an expensive setup. So my laptop is expensive because I invested in a nice laptop years ago, but that wasn't specific to this. This is I have like a wide screen, pretty cheap HP monitor and just a cable that connects to my laptop that allows the image to be shown on two screens so I can move windows around and then we actually use our EMR interface allows for you to chat with patients on the phone, and I find that works just fine. I just set it up kind of to the side, and they know I'm looking back and forth at them and typing notes just like I would be in person, so they don't care that I'm not staring at their face the whole time. Yeah, and it works. I don't use a microphone I have it needed to, although I was just thinking like, oh, maybe that would help my patients hear me more clearly. I don't know. Yeah, so that's my setup. I mean I have two microphone setups, one for the solo podcasts and then one for this that plugs into the laptop, since I just use recording equipment for the other podcast not on my laptop. But yeah, you know, just anything you can do to have some privacy and to be comfortable. I think that's a key thing because a lot of people when they first started working for Home in March, like grabbed whatever was available. And there are people like I need a flat surface and a chair. Let me use my dining room table or let me use my kitchen table. But there are some downsides to that. I mean a that those chairs may not be comfortable long term. You probably can't close the door to your kitchen in the way that you could with say a bedroom, even if you have to know, some people are like, oh, I don't like the idea of working in my bedroom, but if that's the only place that has light, and a door that locks. You may be better off there and just try to do what you can to not look at your bed or to you know, close off your workstation for when you want to sleep and relax. Then to try to have a less good space just so that you are avoiding that bedroom problem. Yeah, and I agree comfortable is key because this is no longer a stopgap measure. I think we all have to accept that this is this is now just your your regular work from home setup, not some sort of emergency contingency plan. All right, Number twelve, I would direct the person to check out our episode on this tap we had a guest. Oh my gosh, I'm blanking on her name, but I'm going to look it up while you're talking on managing energy. Yes, thank you, Molly Fletcher. So what tips other than the great tips that Mollie gave us do you have for managing energy? So we are both big fans of doing the hard stuff in the morning. Now what time of morning maybe a different matter depending on when you wake up, but most people have more discipline and energy and focus in the morning. You have that cup of coffee, You're like, yes, I can conquer the world, So use that conquering the world, feeling on stuff that matters. Usually going through your inbox may not be the best use of that high octane morning energy, Whereas you can do those sort of inbox cleaning tasks at two thirty in the afternoon when you're feeling a little bit more of the h and you won't be able to tackle your big, tough work, but you can respond to easy, easy messages and take breaks. Right, how are you sort of managing your breaks? Do you look at your calendar and see where it can fit in or what do you do? Absolutely I think about because for me, my best break in the day is going outside if I can do it, because that's just something I found helps my concentration and mental health. So that is what I look for when I look at my patient's schedule and what I'm doing with the kids, etc. Are like, hey, where can I go outside for a minute and take a walk. And so that often has to be after the traditional lunch hour because a lot of times I have meetings that are like twelve fifteen to one, And it's funny because there's this little part of me that's like, oh, but it's one o'clock, Like that's work time, that's not break time. But if you just went to a meeting from twelve fifteen to one, you were working. So I think we all have to remind ourselves that, like, we're not designed to sit down and work for nine hours straight, and nobody really probably expects you to, so please yeah, break. And I would challenge people to rethink those stories you're telling yourself too, Like where did you get that story that like one o'clock you absolutely have to be working or I don't know the world will fall apart, I'll get fired, and I don't know what'll happen. So you know, if you're a professional, you're getting your job done. You don't have to stare at the computer screen all day, and in many cases you're probably better off not doing so, Like if you're trying to get yourself in a better headspace for answering a difficult question or for coming up with a good idea, in many cases, it helps to remove some of those inputs and do something that is effortless and habitual, like walking, driving, that can help you get a good idea, solve those problems you were trying to do. And I will say it's very easy to take almost zero steps in your day when you're working from home, and I think that can add to the very sluggish, like the feeling at the end of the day. So I do think making some sort of effort to move around in some fashion will help your energy. Yeah, all right, so kids, books and non device activity ideas. First of all, let's say that devices and screens are not horror. I think, you know, made our peace with having a few more hours devoted to those activities than you would if the kids were in school or camp all day. And that's you know whatever. Like probably a lot of the gen X types so could recall having come home from school at three o'clock and watching TV until like six thirty and it didn't kill them. So, oh my god, I just had flashbacks to like all the shows that I would pick and watch in a row. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. That's so funny, I will say, I think there's like there's like a balance, and I think this person they actually know. I don't know if I know this particular person, but somebody like me, I absolutely like we probably give a thousand versions exactly. I've accepted screen time as a reality. But then I also am like, well, at some point, it's probably good to have some alternatives, just because if my kids are on the screen for eleven hours on the day, that's probably a little over the toughts and nobody needs ideas for a screen time that parts easy. I do think it's helpful to come up with a structure that you're happy with so and that your kids are no is the structure, so you're not continuing to negotiate. Like, my kids know they can watch screens starting at one pm and it's pretty much a free for all until dinner these days. To be completely honest, sometimes I drag them outside at four or five pm, but that means that they're not watching screens in the hours before that, and so it's like kind of I don't know, nice to have boundaries. Of course, the age of your children is going to impact those kinds of decisions and ability to control so ideas. I mean, my kids are getting a little bit more into books, which is so like duh, obviously that's a good nonscreen activity, but you do have to make sure to have good books around, and that can be something that you forget. So I mean I would check out your online bookstore. I would check out the library if they're doing curbside pickup or other kinds of pickup. Ours is, which is amazing. So I recently like put in an order. I used a list that I found of books with like more diverse characters, so I could fine. I don't know, I just I've been more conscious of kind of what my kids' books look like, and I want them to be more varied. And so I just got a bunch of books and they loved it. They love having a haul of new things. In particular, Annabelle has been reading the Magnificent Maya Tibbs series by Crystal Allen, who is a black woman and the protagonist is a cute, little plucky eleven year old girl, And so yeah, there's I think books are an obvious one, but don't forget your library. Yeah, definitely. And you know there are things you can do on screens too. My kids have done a few virtual camps. This has been something of a stopgap solution. But if there's like one kid who seems to have had nothing for a while and I'm feeling like they're getting a little antsy, I will sign them up for something and then you know, they do two to three hours devoted to that virtual activity. At least it's somewhat interactive and structured for the time that they're going to be online, you know, having projects like Jasper's writing his novel. He cranked out a couple hundred words yesterday, two thousand words on Monday, like he's you know, it's it's good. We keep going with it, you know, Legos obviously now is the time to sort of encourage the longer project that if you are going to we we had the question in the last episode, what do you splurge on? Now that I'm remembering this, I'm I'm splurging on more things than I'm thinking of. Apparently I'm not tracking my spending, but I've been Legos. Legos. I've been buying a ton of Legos because this can entertain kids for a while as they work through a big set. You know, normally you'd think, like wow, a thousand pieces. That sounds like a lot, But that's not a bad thing at the moment. We have a couple of kits from different things. I had this science camp that one of my kids was signed up for that got canceled and they converted into you could then buy these diy kits, so you watch a video and do the experiment. So they've been doing some of those with our nanny. We just picked up the Vacation Bible School do it Yourself kit, so there's some projects with it. I'm not a project person, but like it's good to have people who are taking care of your kids. And then you know, we go in the pool like almost every afternoon just because it's a They like it. It's good, get out you have it, we should use. It can kill an hour pretty easy, and then if you have the time before and time after, that kills like ninety minutes. And it's a good thing to do at that time of day when everything is falling apart, like four o'clock. I aim for four o'clock be done with my work so that can take them in. I will say, the pool is so much more fun if all your kids can swim. Like we had a sweet spot. But when Genevieve was like a little baby and I could like lay by the pool and let the two kids swim, that lasted like two seconds. And then Genevieve wanted to swim and she can't swim yet. Yeah, sough the pool. I mean, I'm taking Henry in and holding him, you know, and of course have to pull them the whole time. But once he starts like really moving around and trying to do stuff, it will be a lot less calm. So this summer is okay. I think next summer will be problematic. But the big four, yes, can all swim, so they you know, you watch them, of course, but they don't to be have someone on them. That's the good. One kid you watch is better than trying to watch two kids who can't swim, which, let me tell you, not fun. Yeah, that's just almost like I think I do remember a very brief phase like when my kids were like, yeah, three and a half and one or something like that, and I was like, I am not going in the pool with both children. No terrifying, terrifying, terrifying. So yeah, doing that cooking projects, I will add my kids will love that. Even if the finished product doesn't always turn out so amazing. It will definitely take some time, does make a mess, but it is something to do. You may want to think about a kid's cookbook so that they might have some more success in their project. I don't know. Experimentation is part of the fun, right and just also, if you have a backyard, feel free to just shove them outside and see what happens. Absolutely all right, Oh, I'm interested in your answer to number fourteen. What US city would you move to if you had to relocate? Oh, dear, I mean I like where we are and we didn't have to move here, So in some level, it's kind of like like I would pick the next town over, the next ton over, that's true, like we'd be in Brinmar instead of the one we're in. So no, I think it's Pennsylvania's got a lot of good things going where. We're close to mountains, we're close to beach. You know, it's big city. Philadelphia has all your good stuff, like you know, if you want, museums and sports teams, although now we can't go to them because they've canceled all I'm not canceled, but no fans for indoor events for like the rest of the year. But you know, so I like where we are. I do love someplace like San Diego, which is just the issue is San Diego is an awesome place to visit. And while I would certainly love to, you know, have morning runs on the beach, there are a lot of problems with like I think a residency in California. I mean, as we talked about, with the you know, higher taxes, higher cost of living, not being able to get as much space for the money, you know, the just various issues like that, more crowded, probably more of a visitation type plerson. I like Seattle. Obviously it's a nice place too, but you try to you know, we go to these places, we visit them for a couple of weeks, and usually that's that's fine. My husband loves Colorado. I think the same thing. He'd enjoy the skiing for like a month a year, but then I think he'd be done with it. So, you know, these are all good places to visit. I'm not sure if there's any place i'd particularly want to relocate too, how about you. I yeah, probably where I'm from or where I've been, which is I'm sure biased just based on my own experiences. If I really had to pick right now, I still get so jealous anytime I hear of anybody from the Triangle area. And my sister still lives there, and I so nice, like for my niece Miriam to get to hang out with Genevieve all the time, like, how fun would that be? And my parents have expressed interest in moving there, especially if we move there, So I would probably go to the Triangle, Durham Chapel Hill, Raleigh kind of area, or Asheville the Mountains, and that's pretty close too. And you did say Seattle in Portland. I do kind of love that area too, So yeah, those would probably be my top on Vancouver's beautiful. I mean, I don't I'm not going to become Canadian, but that's another US city that's not a US city, So that absolutely came to mind. But then I was like, oh US city, Yes, yes, exactly. It's funny. I think Vancouver doesn't Canada have something like if you spend a certain amount of money in Canada, like you are able to come more easily. That's one of the things I think that has been driving up the real estate market in Vancouver. There's a lot of people who buy a condo for that reason that Canada's uh, you know laws on that. So anyway, I don't know, but no, no plans to become Canadian and become Canadian anytime soon. I think I have some well, I have a grandmother that was Canadian, and I think I was researching it and there's some sort of like loophole you could somehow become Canadian if you have ancestry. Let me know exactly anyway, all right, ooh, this is a good one too. How often do you get away with your spouse pre COVID or during or both during? Never? Yeah, during or literally never? Agree, we have not had a single get away, no or date night or anything. Yep. Pre we used to go on date nights most weekends if we were not on call, so two to three times a month. We didn't go on like big trips together all that often. Maybe once a year for like a weekend, or maybe like one weekend and then one like slightly longer. But I will say we were not. I would like to do more of those in lieu of the date nights. I think in the future, like maybe try every few months to do like a night or two to get other somewhere. I don't know. Yeah, it's kind of polling, falling down the priority list at the moment of like this is like post pandemic fantasy. See exactly, all right, you have to answer the Netflix one because I'm not you know, we had our guest from Netflix recently, but yes, that's true. Well, I mean your favorite series ad. Maybe I will have to put this one in the comments and then our listeners on Instagram can give their recommendations because I don't have too many. I like Glow that's on HBO, not Netflix, but you know, you know. And then I have not watched it yet, but I have heard that the adaptation of Little Fires Everywhere is awesome and it sounds very much up my alley, so I'm going to check that out. I already told you guys about never have I ever if you haven't watched that, I thought that was excellent, and they said, aside from Babysitters Club, but if you have not watched the baby check recommend Yeah, exactly, all right, And then what are we going to do differently with our routines. Let's say let's change this because we've discussed some of this, but when our kids are back in school, will that change anything about our routines? So they think fall as well when summer turns to fall, which for me, like there's a weather, I don't know. Our summer sucks, so I do. Look. I know it's like backwards, but I look forward to like any other season than summer. So to me, I'm like, ooh, fall, although our fall starts in like November. From a weather perspective, Yeah, No, I don't really have specifics. I am very much looking forward to, hopefully my younger to attending school in person and having so much needed and quiet around here. And I think I might run more again when the weather gets less disgusting, because I am starting to miss it. Although it's been fun to do something different with my fitness over the summer. Yeah, I'm looking forward to being a to record my solo podcasts at normal work hours without worrying about noise all over the place. I don't yeah, being in the house by myself. Just I honestly, I'm trying to think what am I even going to do with myself? Like I feel like I've really had to sort of all the productivity stuff I talk about, fears I have to go on so like fundamentalist about this to deal with like the all the kids being around, so the interruptions with that, breastfeeding a baby every couple of hours, having sort of the limited energy that comes from not sleeping very well, you know, all of this staff is forced me to be very good about like, okay, limited priority list for the day, get through these things. Here's a chunk of time I have execute on that next thing. So I don't know what I'll I mean, I guess maybe I'll just lie around and loaf. That sounds fun. Maybe you'll read more books and watch Netflix exactly, and I'll take that sounds great, all right. So our love of the week, Sarah, what do you have this week? I'm holding it up so you all can't see it. This is my papermate Flair fine Point, not to be confused with a regular Papermate Flair. This is my new favorite planner pen. I do cycle through many different favorite planner pens, but I enjoy this one, so you may want to check it out. It's very inexpensive, can be found in like large boxes on Amazon, and it's good. And there'll be more tips like that over at Best Blade Plans. Thanks Banner Sarah's new podcast, which we want you to go check out. So my love of the week. I have been transitioning my Instagram feed into like beautiful pictures of interior design as well as miniatures. I really like Dollhou's furniture and there's a bunch of really awesome miniature devoted Instagram feeds, as you can imagine, like any niche right out in the universe, there's somebody who's doing it. So I figure, if all my Instagram can be like floral arrangements, gorgeous interior design and miniatures like, then looking at it is just this like wonderful little respite from the world and trying to avoid you know, accounts where people are just arguing with each other over their school plans for the fall. So I like that. I bet there's still fights that break out on the met the floral floral arrangement. There probably are because people can't help themselves and so be like, yes, you posted a photo of a miniature sofa which is like her miniature sofa that's at my office that is closed doors. I don't heard that miniature company trace their workers buy this brand and not that one. But yes, if you if you focus on the pictures, probably just the pictures, just the pictures. Yes, So there we go. All right, Well, this has been Best of Both Worlds episode one hundred and fifty seven, mostly tackling moral listener questions. We will be back next week with more on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more on making work and life work together.