TLF Remembers Hulk Hogan on Josh Nason's Punch Out

<v Speaker 1>Well, gentlemen, what a day.
<v Speaker 2>What a day.
<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about, Uh, this comedy show, which
<v Speaker 3>we will talk about. The LAPS fan guys are here,
<v Speaker 3>Jack and JP once again, and we're going to talk
<v Speaker 3>about of course, their their show coming up during Summer
<v Speaker 3>Slam weekend, freshly announced and uh chatting all about that
<v Speaker 3>for those people hanging to Summer Slam or not just
<v Speaker 3>want to get some comedy on Sunday, August third, head
<v Speaker 3>to the Big City.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that.
<v Speaker 3>However, as we record this Thursday, at two o six
<v Speaker 3>pm Eastern, the Holkster's dead brother. I came home from
<v Speaker 3>the gym, was talking to the guy. We're doing some
<v Speaker 3>work on the house real quick, and I came back
<v Speaker 3>in and checked my phone and and a separate texter
<v Speaker 3>from any wrestling fans I know, we're just like, Oh,
<v Speaker 3>hul Cogan died. I'm like what, And I go to
<v Speaker 3>our slack channel and then lo and behold the Hulkster
<v Speaker 3>passing away, And uh, what a fitting time. Uh sarendipitous
<v Speaker 3>for us to talk because you guys have been obviously
<v Speaker 3>He's Holkster has been.
<v Speaker 1>Ah. I was actually reading a tweet from the last
<v Speaker 1>fan account.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I'm laughing as I think about talking again the Hulk
<v Speaker 3>Cogan voice about you know, what's the work and all
<v Speaker 3>this brother and all this stuff I hear in your
<v Speaker 3>guys voices, and then like three hours later this happens.
<v Speaker 3>That boy, what a s serendipitous time to talk. I'll
<v Speaker 3>kick it over you guys for thoughts. It's only you
<v Speaker 3>can give.
<v Speaker 4>So I say, we should have started to recording on
<v Speaker 4>three oh three.
<v Speaker 1>Well, that that's the turner weight. Good point. Yeah, we
<v Speaker 1>just you know, we we saw the same things everyone
<v Speaker 1>else did about Bubba a love sponge, which is what hoppoetic?
<v Speaker 1>Is it that it he ended up being the oracle
<v Speaker 1>of truth and around Hulk Cogein's true condition. What a
<v Speaker 1>strange fucking tie. What what is going on? I just
<v Speaker 1>don't understand anything. I don't. It's so we we were like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know about Hulk this year, Like
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he's gonna make it. What haven't
<v Speaker 1>we done in our catalog of ten years of shows?
<v Speaker 1>That is really a key seven Hulk Cogan moment Bashed
<v Speaker 1>at the Beach ninety four, and.
<v Speaker 4>Which which has coincidentally, given that we had done just
<v Speaker 4>you know, when we started a LAPS fan, we never
<v Speaker 4>I don't think we even we never even thought about
<v Speaker 4>doing tribute shows. You know, we never thought about the
<v Speaker 4>fact that when somebody dies we should do a tribute.
<v Speaker 4>It was not obviously on the radar. We don't even
<v Speaker 4>know what we were doing. We were just kind of
<v Speaker 4>figuring it out. And so we had already done like
<v Speaker 4>WrestleMania one and WrestleMania three and all these things within
<v Speaker 4>you know, by the time we realized that, wait a minute,
<v Speaker 4>you know, at some point Hulk Cogan is going to
<v Speaker 4>die and we're going to need to do something about it.
<v Speaker 4>And so it was like, curiously, just this show had
<v Speaker 4>been kind of put off on the radar. We had
<v Speaker 4>talked about it years ago as being just a show
<v Speaker 4>we're going to hold off, you know when the time
<v Speaker 4>that when time comes and Hulk Hogan and you know,
<v Speaker 4>whole comania truly dies, we're gonna you know, this is
<v Speaker 4>probably the best show to do. And you know, that's
<v Speaker 4>just that's that's what we call lap serendipity right there,
<v Speaker 4>that it all kind of happen at that moment, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and you know, yeah, good the day the
<v Speaker 4>work died, you.
<v Speaker 1>Know, but the work's just begun in so many ways
<v Speaker 1>as it regards saving the Hulkster. JP makes an excellent point,
<v Speaker 1>and I think this isn't just apply to our podcast
<v Speaker 1>by as anybody who's been a wrestling fan and came
<v Speaker 1>of age in the late eighties and early ninety one,
<v Speaker 1>the Hasbro generation and the LJN generation look ten years
<v Speaker 1>ago when we first started doing this, and when a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the people listening probably started following wrestling online
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. You don't come to terms with the fact
<v Speaker 1>that you're of the age where you're going to start
<v Speaker 1>losing all these guys. We didn't set out to do
<v Speaker 1>tribute shows in mind, because Piper was still alive, because
<v Speaker 1>Dusty was still alive, because Howard Finkel and Scott Hall
<v Speaker 1>were still alive, because we still had Bruno, Sam Martine
<v Speaker 1>walking around and Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior and
<v Speaker 1>John Tenta. Now Warrior was dead, brother, but you want
<v Speaker 1>me to keep going. The point is the death of
<v Speaker 1>Hull Coogan reminds us of our own age. Because anybody
<v Speaker 1>who's listening to vintage wrestling stuff on a podcast, anybody
<v Speaker 1>who's a subscriber of any tenure to Dave's newsletter orients
<v Speaker 1>their sense of moving through time and space with that
<v Speaker 1>of Hull Coogan because he brought so many people to
<v Speaker 1>the table, and the people that came before he did.
<v Speaker 1>As far as wrestling fans, they're they're gone, or they're
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, in retirement homes. I think that's part
<v Speaker 1>of what hits so hard about this is it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we have now outlived Hulkogan. Hull Coogan's always been the
<v Speaker 1>backdrop to so much of what we've gone to in
<v Speaker 1>our minds. On first reference, when we think about professional wrestling,
<v Speaker 1>and not just us as fans, but people who just
<v Speaker 1>walk the streets and barely know anything about pro wrestling
<v Speaker 1>immediately think of Hulkgan and you bring up pro wrestling,
<v Speaker 1>you're only gonna lose someone of that stature in this
<v Speaker 1>American culture. You know, it's a Santo in Mexico. Oh,
<v Speaker 1>it's a Ricky Dozan in Japan, perhaps in Anoki, but
<v Speaker 1>here we've lost that figure that shortcut to all that
<v Speaker 1>wrestling is it's best in its worst. We were just
<v Speaker 1>talking today about this JP and I and Hulk Hogan
<v Speaker 1>defined what hul Cogan means in the second half of
<v Speaker 1>his life as much as he did in the first,
<v Speaker 1>after he was done in the ring, when he could
<v Speaker 1>barely walk, when he's broken down, when his family fell apart,
<v Speaker 1>when his wife started sending wild, wild Instagram stories crying
<v Speaker 1>about his whole situation, when Brooks stopped talking to him,
<v Speaker 1>When Bubba the Love Sponge goes from his absolute best friend,
<v Speaker 1>Uncle Baba to somebody who ended up going through the court.
<v Speaker 1>Ringer he wins the Gawker lawsuit after his ring career
<v Speaker 1>was over, Josh with the stuff that built us all
<v Speaker 1>up as people that want to follow this guy. That's
<v Speaker 1>when things really just started to get sort of illustrative
<v Speaker 1>about who hul Cogan was. It is so obviously the
<v Speaker 1>mind goes in a million different directions on news like this. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the the thought I had.
<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting you talk about kind of thinking about
<v Speaker 3>our own mortality's you know, in the news business. You
<v Speaker 3>think about the day that when Vince Di dives, how
<v Speaker 3>that's how that's going to go. It was so many
<v Speaker 3>different apps aspects and so on. And then when Rick
<v Speaker 3>Flair passes away, and when obviously Hogan, I mean that's
<v Speaker 3>kind of your your big three right now, and it's uh,
<v Speaker 3>we've seen and so so far we're only you know,
<v Speaker 3>a couple hours into this. So the tributes you know,
<v Speaker 3>are starting to come out on social but it is
<v Speaker 3>mostly from retired wrestlers and people that it's very few,
<v Speaker 3>if any modern day as I TNA put something out, uh,
<v Speaker 3>and Carlos Silva there president, I just I think, just
<v Speaker 3>to do, just to do something, uh. Charlotte Flair wrote
<v Speaker 3>something after her dad did Andrade did, but as of
<v Speaker 3>this point, like, I haven't seen anything from aw Tony Kahan,
<v Speaker 3>which against kind OF's question, would they do something if
<v Speaker 3>this had happened yesterday one of our editors and I
<v Speaker 3>were talking to what would they have done? I think
<v Speaker 3>they would have just done a quick hit EXCaliber Tony
<v Speaker 3>Shamani at the desk, doing a quick thing leading into
<v Speaker 3>a commercial and that's it. But a lot of the
<v Speaker 3>modern stars have not chimed in at all. And I
<v Speaker 3>think the silence is deafening in this case. And I
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of this some of the things that
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, if not all the things you mentioned, is
<v Speaker 3>this this run from two whatever the data is that
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, this run with all these things that happen
<v Speaker 3>really shaped his legacy for so many people. And there's
<v Speaker 3>like the split of the people that before that and
<v Speaker 3>the people that are after that, and for a lot
<v Speaker 3>of us, you know, I'm forty seven, we're not so
<v Speaker 3>far off the same age. It's it is this like
<v Speaker 3>it's a thing of just like it is a it's
<v Speaker 3>all of it with him, you just kind of had
<v Speaker 3>to take all of it. And how you come down
<v Speaker 3>on it is how you come down on it. Polarizing
<v Speaker 3>is probably the best way to say it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree.
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's a it's a very hard it's it's
<v Speaker 4>a weird thing because there's there there is this more
<v Speaker 4>modern part of hul Cogan who is just not a
<v Speaker 4>very who just wasn't a very good person in midways. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>it was kind of backwards and a lot of a
<v Speaker 4>lot of his views, said a lot of stupid things
<v Speaker 4>and and you know, uh uh just was not like
<v Speaker 4>you know, he tainted any fans view of him. And
<v Speaker 4>with his racist remarks, with the sex tape, with all
<v Speaker 4>sorts of shit, that's just like this is wait a minute,
<v Speaker 4>supposed to be hul Cogan. You know, he's supposed to
<v Speaker 4>be supposed to be the good guy of all to
<v Speaker 4>end all good guys and so. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 4>you know, when Jack and I were talking earlier today,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's funny two you mentioned the Big Three,
<v Speaker 4>but we listened that exact same Big three.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, was Josh on the call.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I know, because we were like, you know,
<v Speaker 4>there are three, you know, even as we've come of
<v Speaker 4>age and we are like realizing, oh, you know, these
<v Speaker 4>guys are going to go. They're just there are three
<v Speaker 4>you can't imagine living without ever, no matter the fact
<v Speaker 4>that you know that they're getting to that age, Hogan,
<v Speaker 4>Flair and vincig Man. You know again, despite what you
<v Speaker 4>think of them, despite their you know, some of their
<v Speaker 4>just absolutely deplorable actions and whatnot. It's like, these are three,
<v Speaker 4>three figures that if you're a wrestling fan, you just
<v Speaker 4>cannot imagine your life without. And it's it's a very
<v Speaker 4>I tried to look at it too, as not just
<v Speaker 4>the fact that it's a but it's a human being
<v Speaker 4>who died, and you know, it's it's sad in that regard,
<v Speaker 4>but it is a very It's it does make me
<v Speaker 4>think about mortality. I think a lot about Lately, in
<v Speaker 4>the last maybe I don't know, two or three years,
<v Speaker 4>I've been thinking a lot about legacy, and in terms
<v Speaker 4>of especially as we live in the era we live in.
<v Speaker 4>We think think of like wrestling on television, we think
<v Speaker 4>of movies, we think of television itself, all sorts of
<v Speaker 4>the current media that has really been the forefront of
<v Speaker 4>our news, of our entertainment, of all these things, and
<v Speaker 4>it's like we're still at the we're still at the
<v Speaker 4>baby stages, Like so much of the stuff is like
<v Speaker 4>one hundred years old, one hundred and fifty years old.
<v Speaker 4>When you think about the life of the planet and
<v Speaker 4>you think about the life hopefully hope to God, of
<v Speaker 4>the future of the planet's like I wonder, it makes
<v Speaker 4>me wonder in a thousand years are we going to
<v Speaker 4>be thinking Are people going to be thinking about Hulk
<v Speaker 4>Hogan as people thought about Shakespeare? Certainly not in that regard.
<v Speaker 4>It's a very very drastic difference, but in terms of
<v Speaker 4>crestling fans, in terms exactly and in terms of wrestling
<v Speaker 4>fans too, Are wrestling fans a thousand years from now
<v Speaker 4>going to be looking back and saying, Hey, God, I
<v Speaker 4>wish I was there, you know? To see Hulk Hogan
<v Speaker 4>body slam Andrea the Giant. You know, that's their Macbeth
<v Speaker 4>or their or Hamlet or whatever, you know, like it's.
<v Speaker 1>Ever there was a death justifying that level of thought.
<v Speaker 1>It be Hogan's, you know, because if Hogan doesn't count,
<v Speaker 1>no one counts in that regard, you know, a thousand
<v Speaker 1>years from now. Who's to say, but I'll say hear
<v Speaker 1>it now, I'm sitting here, Why am I?
<v Speaker 4>So?
<v Speaker 1>Why is mortality come up so much? And it hit
<v Speaker 1>me he was the immortal Hulk Hogan.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, damn right.
<v Speaker 1>How many times did he say he was immortal? He's
<v Speaker 1>not immortal? And we talk about this all the time, Josh.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we've talked about it with you before, but
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the things that we've really landed
<v Speaker 1>on in terms of, you know, lapsed fans. People don't
<v Speaker 1>know we don't just review old events and put them
<v Speaker 1>in historical context and do imitations and have a ton
<v Speaker 1>of fun. We also spent a lot of time trying
<v Speaker 1>to figure out why it is that pro wrestling has
<v Speaker 1>such a hold on us, Why it is that you know,
<v Speaker 1>we can call ourselves lapsed and get these legions of
<v Speaker 1>people to listen to us, all many of whom proclaim
<v Speaker 1>to no longer care about pro wrestling, yet they're willing
<v Speaker 1>to spend hours and hours and hours an hours listening
<v Speaker 1>to and patronizing a podcast about it. And not the
<v Speaker 1>only ones, you know. I mean, there's a whole it's
<v Speaker 1>a whole category of podcast that it says something about
<v Speaker 1>the wrestling fan. And I think one of the things
<v Speaker 1>that we're coming around and realizing is it's like we
<v Speaker 1>as wrestling fans, don't get to have immortal heroes like
<v Speaker 1>fans of Superman or Spider Man or Batman or even
<v Speaker 1>some of the you know, because because they're fictionalized in
<v Speaker 1>a way that you know, legendary athletes are not fictionalized,
<v Speaker 1>and you lose them in the flesh and blood. Hul
<v Speaker 1>Hogan was rushed out of his condominium today. It was
<v Speaker 1>strapped to a learning with EMTs frantically trying to revive him.
<v Speaker 1>And that is that's the death of hul Hogan. It's
<v Speaker 1>not just the death of Terry Boleo. I think two people.
<v Speaker 4>You know, It's not like I'm sure that there are
<v Speaker 4>people who do this, but when you'm I'm getting it
<v Speaker 4>is the weirdest thing getting random texts from people who
<v Speaker 4>I haven't talked to in a while.
<v Speaker 1>All things. It's like, oh my, you know how just
<v Speaker 1>my friend is, how you're holding up brother? What doubt if.
<v Speaker 4>Actually get the final three count? But you know, it's
<v Speaker 4>like it's very It's funny that you know, they treat
<v Speaker 4>it like it's a relative who died, Like as if
<v Speaker 4>I'm you know, because if I'm planning a funeral and
<v Speaker 4>now all of a sudden but uh.
<v Speaker 1>Thought, I don't want to subtract anyway. But to the point,
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get a text when your favorite baseball
<v Speaker 1>player dies from this many people probably not never, because
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing about wrestling fan is you are and
<v Speaker 1>that's why we that's why you know, community can be
<v Speaker 1>built around reflecting on what it means to be a
<v Speaker 1>wrestling fan because you are the wrestling fan in your life.
<v Speaker 1>You are the person that everybody knows likes that ship,
<v Speaker 1>and in times like this they think about you and.
<v Speaker 4>I remember now, I remember so the thing I I
<v Speaker 4>I I am sure that there aren't as many people
<v Speaker 4>who go back and watch record of old Super Bowls
<v Speaker 4>as there are wrestling fans who go back and watch
<v Speaker 4>old wrestling pay per views, old WrestleMania's, old starcaves, old
<v Speaker 4>Great American bashes, whatever. There there is a there is
<v Speaker 4>a a comic book feel about it that you know,
<v Speaker 4>you can kind of say to yourself. You can say
<v Speaker 4>to yourself, that's a concerning thing. And something behind you
<v Speaker 4>is creeping up like that. I guess we didn't lose them,
<v Speaker 4>did we Again? There's always gonna be listened. Hulk Hogan
<v Speaker 4>is going to be always there, sneaking up behind a
<v Speaker 4>lot of people. But uh uh, you know there there
<v Speaker 4>is like a feeling of something finished. When an athlete
<v Speaker 4>finishes their career, it's over. You know it's done. There
<v Speaker 4>is something finished about it, and you're not gonna potentially
<v Speaker 4>see them play again. They're not going to play again.
<v Speaker 4>They're done and there their games will live in your
<v Speaker 4>memor and sure you can find them on TV, but
<v Speaker 4>it's not going to be like what wrestling fans do,
<v Speaker 4>where we can go back and watch the day to
<v Speaker 4>day things like that. Every week of television. We can
<v Speaker 4>watch all these things and and it's like it continues
<v Speaker 4>to live. It's it's it. It's a it's a blessing
<v Speaker 4>and a curse. And I think this is why it
<v Speaker 4>can affect people wrestling fans in a greater sense, because
<v Speaker 4>it's it is like watching they've made them up in
<v Speaker 4>the eighties. They made them up to be superheroes, they
<v Speaker 4>made them up to be comic book characters, they made
<v Speaker 4>them up to be to be larger than life and
<v Speaker 4>in a way symbolic of things that you either hope
<v Speaker 4>to be or hope to attain or whatever. And what
<v Speaker 4>they didn't realize is that or maybe they did or
<v Speaker 4>they didn't care or whatever, that these these symbols are
<v Speaker 4>going to die. These symbols are going to leave us,
<v Speaker 4>and it's going to be and it's gonna hit in
<v Speaker 4>a different way to wrestling fans, then it's gonna be
<v Speaker 4>to to somebody, you know, a more traditional legit athlete
<v Speaker 4>or a an actor or whomever. Like it's just it's
<v Speaker 4>a very it's a bizarre thing because because that they
<v Speaker 4>they tried so hard to bridge that that, you know,
<v Speaker 4>the reality and fiction, you know, because for so long
<v Speaker 4>there was this like wait a minute, you know, is
<v Speaker 4>it real? Is it fake? And so when they're trying
<v Speaker 4>to make you believe something's fake, that again it's real.
<v Speaker 4>You know now it's real, and it's it's a very
<v Speaker 4>it's such a bizarre it's bizarre.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's bizarre.
<v Speaker 3>I think one thing to you mentioned kind of the
<v Speaker 3>comparison to pro athletes. One thing, once an athlete's career
<v Speaker 3>is done, they're they're done, like they're not gonna come there.
<v Speaker 1>You know, they'll be around, And I mean I think of.
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, like David Ortiz for example, he retired,
<v Speaker 3>he's not going to come back and play, so he
<v Speaker 3>does his appearances and things like that. But with a character, right,
<v Speaker 3>like a like a Hulk Hogan or any of your
<v Speaker 3>favorite actors, any type stuff. Other wrestlers, there's always a
<v Speaker 3>chance they can do something and not necessarily a full match,
<v Speaker 3>but a a moment. There's there's a world in which
<v Speaker 3>Hogan doesn't do any of this terrible stuff, and he
<v Speaker 3>is part of Goldberg's retirement and a much bigger thing
<v Speaker 3>coming out and having a moment. He has some sort
<v Speaker 3>of moment with John cena At during his retire something
<v Speaker 3>where it's just it's legends and you're seeing it and
<v Speaker 3>you're like that makes me feel good.
<v Speaker 1>Now that whole thing.
<v Speaker 3>I mean again, the last time he came out was
<v Speaker 3>last year at w W show and the big stories
<v Speaker 3>he get booed out of the building in Jimmy Hart
<v Speaker 3>and just in La Yeah, I mean it is if.
<v Speaker 1>Jesse getting the final muscle of Hogan, I get get
<v Speaker 1>out of here.
<v Speaker 4>I ho hey, hey, Hull Hogan over there, that piece
<v Speaker 4>of trying hul Cogan, get out of here. The fans
<v Speaker 4>don't even want you here around fucking your beer.
<v Speaker 1>I'm fully prepared to walk out Paul if he's wanted
<v Speaker 1>to be there, and I'm not afraid to say it.
<v Speaker 1>And so I think he got one back on Holgan
<v Speaker 1>for a ninety four batch at the beach where the
<v Speaker 1>second Hogan walks in. Jesse's disappearing rapidly from the w
<v Speaker 1>S position. But they don't have that, you know, these
<v Speaker 1>other athletes to your point, Josh and JP went when
<v Speaker 1>they go into retirement. Ortiz is a weird example because
<v Speaker 1>he did get shot, so there was all kinds of
<v Speaker 1>that messiness, But for the most part, it's always in
<v Speaker 1>the news. Fort reason. For the most part, they fade away.
<v Speaker 1>We would like to think with the degree of dignity,
<v Speaker 1>not a Pete Rose, but you know, for the most
<v Speaker 1>part in wrestling because their oxygen is attention. They're going
<v Speaker 1>to make mockeries of themselves to the grave in ninety
<v Speaker 1>percent of cases. And we celebrate tremendously when a wrestler
<v Speaker 1>dies without a ton of pathetic things having happened, pathetic
<v Speaker 1>final attempts to be in the spotlight and just laying
<v Speaker 1>absolutely bare. If there was any doubt that they are
<v Speaker 1>no work close to what they used to be or
<v Speaker 1>how we prefer to remember them, we're not going to
<v Speaker 1>think of, you know, ted Williams barely able to walk
<v Speaker 1>for it, for instance, but wrestlers.
<v Speaker 4>Or or or deciding to change up his own his
<v Speaker 4>style and start using chairs and barbed wire baseball bats
<v Speaker 4>to the head.
<v Speaker 1>Right, It's like a Terry funk in those later years. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>Teddy Williams not doing that. No, doing that. That would
<v Speaker 1>have been interesting, though, would I would have paid to
<v Speaker 1>see that.
<v Speaker 5>He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio
<v Speaker 5>and JP Sorrow. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 1>I mean Terry and all the things he said over
<v Speaker 1>the years about the difference between Terry Bala and Hulk
<v Speaker 1>Cogan and their relative penis size on the stand.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it makes me wonder is one or the
<v Speaker 4>other still alive? Is Hull Cogan did or as Terry Blayd.
<v Speaker 1>We don't know. I think that's what we're here, both dead,
<v Speaker 1>are both dead? Or both? I think both are dead. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure people are tweeting hope Deminia will live forever
<v Speaker 1>and all that, but I don't think so. I don't
<v Speaker 1>think so, especially because what you said, Josh, it is
<v Speaker 1>so impolitic to say positive things about him today, Like
<v Speaker 1>you know, they just can't. They can't do it and
<v Speaker 1>they can't bring themselves to do it even if they
<v Speaker 1>feel positively about the guy. He's the ultimate separate the
<v Speaker 1>art from the artist for the wrestling fan, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>not sure they didn't do him any You know what
<v Speaker 1>it costs him, It costs him so much that that right,
<v Speaker 1>that FBI wire tap. But what what it probably cost
<v Speaker 1>him more than anything is is people feeling free to
<v Speaker 1>celebrate him upon his death. And if all the wrestlers
<v Speaker 1>we've seen, you would think he'd be the one guy
<v Speaker 1>that could enjoy that that that that that that that
<v Speaker 1>privileged error.
<v Speaker 4>But not to be it is it is fast because
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm I'm I'm all about people being held accountable,
<v Speaker 4>accountable for their actions. I'm all about people being you know,
<v Speaker 4>whether or not they said things way back when or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think they should be held to that. You know,
<v Speaker 4>per se all the time. You know, I know that
<v Speaker 4>his stuff is more current and it's more lasting. But
<v Speaker 4>I I I do recall him fondly. I don't mind celebrating.
<v Speaker 4>I don't celebrate the man. I celebrate the the idea
<v Speaker 4>of Hulk Hogan. I don't celebrate Terry Blaya. Terry Blaya. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>there's there's a there's an issue there for sure. But
<v Speaker 4>I do celebrate what I liked about Hull, what I
<v Speaker 4>loved about hul Cogan. I mean I can I can say,
<v Speaker 4>honest to god, you know, going through ups and downs
<v Speaker 4>of Hull Cogan fandom. Being you know, a fan of
<v Speaker 4>Stone col Steve Austin, appreciating Rick Flair as being, you know,
<v Speaker 4>one of the greatest wrestlers of all time, I can say,
<v Speaker 4>without a doubt, my all time favorite, no question, hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 4>He was.
<v Speaker 1>He just was because he's the one made matter exactly.
<v Speaker 4>He He's the one that he's the first action figure
<v Speaker 4>I bought.
<v Speaker 1>I bought my My.
<v Speaker 4>My series one hul Hogan Body Guerrilla Press Slam because
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't a whole it was it was a gorilla
<v Speaker 4>Press slam, hul Hogan with Andre the Giant, first one,
<v Speaker 4>first one. I would not have become a fan had
<v Speaker 4>I not been fascinated, and I had never you know,
<v Speaker 4>I think about too watching starting to watch wrestling in
<v Speaker 4>ninet ninety one.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. I don't even know how I became
<v Speaker 1>aware of Hulkogan, but I knew w Hulk Hogan was.
<v Speaker 4>I knew who he was.
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's what we're morning too. Yeah, exactly is
<v Speaker 1>we are the action figure generation. The generation before us
<v Speaker 1>did not have them for every single thing they were into.
<v Speaker 1>There he is brother as he holds up the Hasbro
<v Speaker 1>red shirt mail Away from WrestleMania nine Days. And the
<v Speaker 1>generation after us, these kids, you know, post phone, smartphones, YouTube,
<v Speaker 1>forget it. You know, they care about action figures for
<v Speaker 1>maybe four months. We our Age Group still supports the
<v Speaker 1>action figure industry today in our forties. They make figures
<v Speaker 1>for us because they know we'll buy twelve of them
<v Speaker 1>to have a complete collection. They don't make action figures
<v Speaker 1>to catch kids' eyes on the toy shelf anymore, because
<v Speaker 1>there aren't toy stores anymore. And so we mourn, we
<v Speaker 1>mourn the fact that Hulk Hogan, in the way he
<v Speaker 1>was merchandised, got at indo so many things that are
<v Speaker 1>centerpieces of our childhood. You had a lunch box, you
<v Speaker 1>had a toy, you had a bed spread, you had
<v Speaker 1>a bandana, get a Halloween costume, lunchbox, Yeah, lunchbox, trapper keeper, anymore,
<v Speaker 1>every eighty surface you want to make, there was.
<v Speaker 3>There was Holgan on and that's the thing that they
<v Speaker 3>the cartoon show, the Hulk Coggan's Rock and Wrestling, you know,
<v Speaker 3>he was. It was just it was but that was
<v Speaker 3>just the whole package of just that here you go,
<v Speaker 3>and he's here now and and he's yeah, and today
<v Speaker 3>he's not as yeah. It's I was thinking so much
<v Speaker 3>as you're kind of going through stuff, how many different
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking of asking him.
<v Speaker 1>You can't ask you what's your favorite.
<v Speaker 3>Hull Cogan moment or memory or I just I just
<v Speaker 3>think of how many different lives he had in terms
<v Speaker 3>of talking before everything went down, like he had the
<v Speaker 3>w run, he had the which which which was I
<v Speaker 3>mean so many different runs within that. He then does
<v Speaker 3>the WCW run and which includes the pre MW will
<v Speaker 3>run and everything after that, and that whole ship went down,
<v Speaker 3>and then he went to TNA, he did that strange
<v Speaker 3>tour of Australia, and uh and just and everything after it.
<v Speaker 1>Just it is such.
<v Speaker 3>A a long career and so much of it was
<v Speaker 3>what happened after he was done, but just so many
<v Speaker 3>memorable things in each and so many things you're just
<v Speaker 3>associated with just this is great and this is terrible
<v Speaker 3>and everything in between. And he for so many wrestlers
<v Speaker 3>that come in the business and are never remembered, they
<v Speaker 3>get to even get to the biggest stage and they're like, uh, nostalgica,
<v Speaker 3>Remember for like a few seconds, this is someone that
<v Speaker 3>that actually for a for millions and millions of people
<v Speaker 3>mattered and he was a crossover star. And even in
<v Speaker 3>just in business self, he kept trying to reclaim that
<v Speaker 3>and he just never he was still the name, but
<v Speaker 3>just never the name. And just that's a that's that's
<v Speaker 3>really astonishing the thing about right now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, he's always uh, he always wanted to be
<v Speaker 1>on top of the wrestling business, even when he should
<v Speaker 1>have been able to move on from the wrestling business.
<v Speaker 1>We just in covering nine ninety four and bachel of
<v Speaker 1>the Beach, we really honed in on that. Like he's
<v Speaker 1>out there in his final, final final WW promos for
<v Speaker 1>that August nineteen ninety three European tour against Yokozuna. This
<v Speaker 1>is only earn on UK television, but it's on YouTube.
<v Speaker 1>He's in the event center talking, he's listing all of
<v Speaker 1>the things that he's doing after WW, after an interest
<v Speaker 1>the fans, well, mister Nandy coming out under Paradise, all
<v Speaker 1>of these things, you know, didn't really hit. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think he he wasn't in a position to give
<v Speaker 1>up on being Hulk Kogan. He wasn't in a position
<v Speaker 1>to say, all right, well movies weren't the thing. Let
<v Speaker 1>me find another, perhaps more dignified way to righte off
<v Speaker 1>into the sunset. Maybe it's what Vince was saying around
<v Speaker 1>being the baby Ruth figure.
<v Speaker 4>I think also too, I think I think, you know,
<v Speaker 4>you know, he has such a a defined look. I
<v Speaker 4>think that also played into that. You know, we've talked
<v Speaker 4>about that a lot, like you go, if you go see,
<v Speaker 4>if you see a Hull Cogan movie.
<v Speaker 1>You can't.
<v Speaker 4>You can't forget the fact that you're looking at hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 4>It's Hul Cogan, John cne He's he's more generic. You
<v Speaker 4>can watch Johnsen to play characters. You can watch The
<v Speaker 4>Rock Batista, especially now Batista. Nowady's shed all that weight,
<v Speaker 4>he's like, you know, you can see him playing other people.
<v Speaker 4>Hull Cogan even when he lost all the weight, even
<v Speaker 4>when he was ninety four w CW. He's he's still
<v Speaker 4>hold Cogan like you cannot. He cannot. You could not
<v Speaker 4>get away from that image, no matter how hard he tried.
<v Speaker 4>And whenever you see a Hull Cogan, you know and listen.
<v Speaker 4>He even tried in The Ultimate Weapon, one of the
<v Speaker 4>worst movies, but one of his movies. And during the
<v Speaker 4>WW period where he he had on like a hair piece,
<v Speaker 4>I mean the sending with muscles, the same thing he's
<v Speaker 4>hair pieces on. He's still hold Cogan. Bald not bald,
<v Speaker 4>doesn't matter. Mustache less, yeah, mustache, it doesn't matter. He
<v Speaker 4>was cursed with that. There was no way he could
<v Speaker 4>ever transition to a legitimate movie career or anything, because
<v Speaker 4>he just he embodies the character of Hulk Hogan.
<v Speaker 1>Part of the reason the sex tape was such a
<v Speaker 1>huge thing was not just because there was a celebrity
<v Speaker 1>sex tape. There have been a bunch of those. It's
<v Speaker 1>because how funny is it that Hogan is on a
<v Speaker 1>sex tape. Yes, not to make light of the traumat
<v Speaker 1>caused his family, although he certainly made out in the end,
<v Speaker 1>which is a lot. One of his last successful manipulations
<v Speaker 1>was getting that Gocker settlement. But the fact that it's
<v Speaker 1>Hull Cogan is exactly it is, Like, that's all that mattered. Like,
<v Speaker 1>it was the fact that hul Cogan had a sex tape.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter.
<v Speaker 4>It could have been anybody, but it would matter was
<v Speaker 4>that it was Hulk Hogan, Like telling me that Wolverine
<v Speaker 4>has a sex.
<v Speaker 1>Tape, right, exactly, exactly it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I also just remembered there was the reality show aspect
<v Speaker 3>Hogan knows best.
<v Speaker 1>That's all where it all comes from.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he did the Also he tried you know,
<v Speaker 3>Hulk Cogan's a celebrity championship wrestling You remember remember that, Uh.
<v Speaker 1>This is him feeling around in the dark for something
<v Speaker 1>other than headlining a wrestling show.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it was that was the show that that
<v Speaker 3>was how really starved. We were for wrestling on TV
<v Speaker 3>at that but which is impossible leaves. I look at
<v Speaker 3>a calendar where every single night there's something is then
<v Speaker 3>it was like it was w B and TNA and
<v Speaker 3>indies and that's it. Like there was nothing. I mean, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't get anything on TV. And I was like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>we'll watch watch Todd Bridges try this out, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and Danny Bond Ducci and all this, and that was like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>we'll check this out.
<v Speaker 1>And people actually watched it.
<v Speaker 3>But it's it's yeah, the Hlgan knows best thing and yeah,
<v Speaker 3>his I mean yeah, the whole legacy with his his
<v Speaker 3>family is such a like so many different chapters and
<v Speaker 3>things he did here to here to hear in you know,
<v Speaker 3>this real American wrestling thing. I don't think anyone really
<v Speaker 3>took this seriously, and I doubt its future is that strong.
<v Speaker 3>Based on Eric Bischoff and is He Martinez, it was struggling.
<v Speaker 1>They had bet Askrin but bless him, you know that's right. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I mean all the strangeness around that project, huh.
<v Speaker 3>I assume Kurt Angle is probably going to move into
<v Speaker 3>some sort of role just to try to salvage it
<v Speaker 3>and just because he's somewhat but he's not. He's not
<v Speaker 3>what they want in terms of a familiar face in Hogan.
<v Speaker 3>Which part of that too is this last kind of
<v Speaker 3>thing of him appearing at the Republican National Invention and
<v Speaker 3>and he's been very celebrated by that side today.
<v Speaker 1>It came like a business plan when Wyant Hendrickson upset
<v Speaker 1>Gable Steveson and Trump was there as Hogan to hear
<v Speaker 1>him tell it in the early promotional tour of this
<v Speaker 1>real American Wrestling thing, saw that and saw the spark
<v Speaker 1>of a moment that could actually be like a touring
<v Speaker 1>attraction for that part of the country that you know,
<v Speaker 1>it just celebrated, you know, tremendously that Trump went to
<v Speaker 1>the NCAA finals, or that he goes to a UFC,
<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. Yeah, that's that's part of
<v Speaker 1>why it's kind of like muted, I think right now.
<v Speaker 1>As it's like he also he just wherever that spotlight goes,
<v Speaker 1>even if he can't walk, he's gonna find it, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and try his best. And it's kind of sad, you
<v Speaker 1>could because we always say this about Hull Cogan un
<v Speaker 1>lapsed fan. If ever, there was a pro wrestler who
<v Speaker 1>should have been able to retire with dignity, it should
<v Speaker 1>have been Hulkogan because no one made more money, no
<v Speaker 1>one became a more mainstreamed, mainlined celebrity in this country,
<v Speaker 1>and it just went to shit.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's so true. I mean, that's the thing, like
<v Speaker 4>you'd think you would think out of everybody, You really
<v Speaker 4>would think out of everybody, given the success he had
<v Speaker 4>given everything, Like you even even given the fact that
<v Speaker 4>he negotiated this incredible deal with w CW where he's
<v Speaker 4>making really more money off of every damn thing that
<v Speaker 4>he shouldn't have been touching. You really think that after
<v Speaker 4>w CW went done, maybe he had his last WW run.
<v Speaker 4>But then after that he's like, you know what, that's it,
<v Speaker 4>Like you'd think that that's it. He rode off into
<v Speaker 4>the sunset. You know, after Wrestlating nineteen, he can just
<v Speaker 4>write off from the sun he beat vins nick Man
<v Speaker 4>in the middle of the ring. He can write off
<v Speaker 4>into the sunset and just call it a life.
<v Speaker 1>But no, but the reality show comes dock in and
<v Speaker 1>brook Teeny's got to be a star, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>look what I mean God bless her, But I mean,
<v Speaker 1>what was that all about the damage that was caused
<v Speaker 1>because Hogan decided the reality show vehicle was the best
<v Speaker 1>way to get Brooke to become a pop star. And
<v Speaker 1>now she doesn't even want people to even remember that
<v Speaker 1>she tried to do that. That's how gineful it all
<v Speaker 1>turned out to be. And we talked about comic book
<v Speaker 1>characters before, and how much more kin to comic book characters,
<v Speaker 1>pro wrestlers are, especially once like Hulkogan, than athletes. A
<v Speaker 1>big part of the reason we feel that way in
<v Speaker 1>our generation is because Vince didn't stop until they looked
<v Speaker 1>like they were in comic books from a physique standpoint.
<v Speaker 1>And you grow up and you learn. And we did
<v Speaker 1>the Trial of his life. We read every word of
<v Speaker 1>the trial transcript. We read. We did a whole series
<v Speaker 1>called T and H where we looked at those fateful
<v Speaker 1>years from twenty ten to twenty twelve, where twenty thirteen
<v Speaker 1>where Hogan just ran roughshod and showed us just how
<v Speaker 1>kind of sad the second half of his life is
<v Speaker 1>really going to be. You look at that and you're like,
<v Speaker 1>my god, it was all built on It was built
<v Speaker 1>on steroids. That whole like that whole thing that caught
<v Speaker 1>our imagination that wrestlers can be more comic book characters
<v Speaker 1>than professional athletes. The thing we're mourning here today is
<v Speaker 1>made possible by all that dirtiness. I mean I'm thinking
<v Speaker 1>about too, Think about him hulking up. That's total comic
<v Speaker 1>book stuff. Yeah, you know, that's pop Eye, your Nina.
<v Speaker 1>You know the idea that even when he's down and out,
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's going to have one last surge of
<v Speaker 1>energy and he's going to conquer evil. I mean, we
<v Speaker 1>we were. It's such an extreme day, but we were
<v Speaker 1>lied to our whole lives. Well, it was just lied too.
<v Speaker 1>It was one of many runs that Hulk had in him.
<v Speaker 5>You know.
<v Speaker 1>One of his big sayings was always life is a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of series of runs. And just when you think
<v Speaker 1>you're like, okay, this is the Hull cogin, that's the
<v Speaker 1>pure Hulk cogin in his mind, it's one of thirty.
<v Speaker 1>He's going to go on just to collect a few
<v Speaker 1>more million. Yep. And there was. It was a bottomless pit.
<v Speaker 1>It was a bottomless pit. His his beat shop is
<v Speaker 1>his his cheeseburgers in the fucking frozen food aisle during
<v Speaker 1>TNA and Hult coke and cheeseburger. What do we do
<v Speaker 1>Hult Hogia. Yeah, just ended up making a mockery of it. JP.
<v Speaker 3>I hate, I hate to put you on the spot
<v Speaker 3>like this. Are you able to access Twitter right now?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Could you look up Vincent Band's Twitter? He just put
<v Speaker 3>out of statement. We're going to get live reactions set.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, this is kind of what.
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping for. Yeah. Yeah, it's not along, not a
<v Speaker 1>long you know, get.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, can you share with the world? The
<v Speaker 4>world lost the treasure to day. Hulk Hogan was the
<v Speaker 4>greatest ww superstar of all time, someone who was loved
<v Speaker 4>and admired around the world. It was a trailblazer, the
<v Speaker 4>first performer who transitioned from being a wrestling star into
<v Speaker 4>a global phenomenon. His grit and unbridled thirst for success
<v Speaker 4>were unparalleled, and he made and made him the consummate performer.
<v Speaker 4>He gave everything he had to the audience, whom he appreciated,
<v Speaker 4>respected and loved. He leaves us with one of his
<v Speaker 4>favorite expressions, train take your vitamins and say your prayers today.
<v Speaker 4>We pray for him.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Bence.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, the first performer transmission from a wrestling star into
<v Speaker 4>a global phenomenon. I don't know if anyone's really transition
<v Speaker 4>to being a global phenomenon. But that's fine, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean a global phenomenon. Shouldn't he, you know, be
<v Speaker 1>sitting much prettier than he was there?
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't that make him kind of some kind of I
<v Speaker 4>don't know, like a geographical object or something. Isn't that
<v Speaker 4>kind of more of a global like this is a
<v Speaker 4>geographical le I told all of it.
<v Speaker 1>I said, look, so all right, is this the same
<v Speaker 1>Vince who we just watched go on check copic when
<v Speaker 1>he jumped to WCW and rip Hulkogan and shreds as
<v Speaker 1>some guy who never had abs and somebody who uh
<v Speaker 1>you know it just betrayed him. And listen to what
<v Speaker 1>he had to say about Hulk on the Netflix stock
<v Speaker 1>if you want more on that front. As far as yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and of course they got back together to some degree,
<v Speaker 1>but again it's it's just chasing that run. Tremendous to
<v Speaker 1>see Vince put that out. Should say, by the way,
<v Speaker 1>you should see if I just wanted so.
<v Speaker 4>Many of the top comments, like the more recent comments,
<v Speaker 4>are of Goldberg saying your.
<v Speaker 1>Next by the way, we cannot lose sight of it.
<v Speaker 1>And if Rick goes, we hope he doesn't. But if
<v Speaker 1>Rick goes, were Vince that you know another huge overarching
<v Speaker 1>narrative here is that you know you step to Vince
<v Speaker 1>and you will be in the grave before he will
<v Speaker 1>be in the grave.
<v Speaker 4>The debate, obviously, the debate can be settled now I
<v Speaker 4>made I'll Comania.
<v Speaker 1>What was the quiet? Vince? What was you know? I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure in a time like this you think back to
<v Speaker 1>your your steroid trial and Hull taking the stand on
<v Speaker 1>behalf of the US government all felt he did a
<v Speaker 1>tremendous solid and this is not fair. Being able to
<v Speaker 1>see his face is not fair, Okay, a tremendous solid right,
<v Speaker 1>and not stipulating to you playing a pre more active
<v Speaker 1>role in procuring anabolic sterias. But now upon his passing
<v Speaker 1>you seem to have much warmer feelings. Can you talk
<v Speaker 1>about why it is that you'd celebrate hul Cogan despite
<v Speaker 1>having such a up and down relationship with him over
<v Speaker 1>the years. Is it just in you know, you're just
<v Speaker 1>being more reflective in your old age, or is what
<v Speaker 1>what's going on there? Well?
<v Speaker 4>In these times, you know, you think about all aspects
<v Speaker 4>of an individual. You kind of go to where they began,
<v Speaker 4>where they ended up, in all areas in between. But
<v Speaker 4>you know that notwithstanding, here we stand with a world
<v Speaker 4>that is now at a loss of a Hul Cogan.
<v Speaker 4>There is no Hull Cogan anymore. Ohlk Hogan is gone.
<v Speaker 4>O Covian is dead, O Cogan is buried. Oh Cogan
<v Speaker 4>is no more. It's almost as if there never was
<v Speaker 4>a Hulk covin right, which means it's almost as if
<v Speaker 4>there never was a trial for Vincent Man in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety four. And I prefer to see it that way.
<v Speaker 4>And right now this is finally the ultimate example of
<v Speaker 4>case closed. Hull covid is gone. Therefore his testimony no
<v Speaker 4>longer exists. Therefore, once again, I am exonerated, I am acquitted,
<v Speaker 4>and I am and I never went to trial.
<v Speaker 1>And I am I'm the President of the United States
<v Speaker 1>of America.
<v Speaker 4>And I am and I am at least in the
<v Speaker 4>office of the President of the United States of America
<v Speaker 4>at all times. And I am America, an Americana American,
<v Speaker 4>I am and a real I am a real American.
<v Speaker 1>Emphasis on con you can put your camera back on.
<v Speaker 2>Now he's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and
<v Speaker 2>se Os.
<v Speaker 5>Lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Oh she laughs. We laugh, you know because even though,
<v Speaker 1>like I told JP earlier, you know, I know I
<v Speaker 1>want to, but it don't help the hide. So here I.
<v Speaker 3>Am any final thoughts before we talked some comedy. More comedy, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>write more comedy.
<v Speaker 1>I mean we should know by now we put a
<v Speaker 1>live show up on the calendar and something consequential. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>remember they sold w W the night before we did
<v Speaker 1>the La Chew the whole fucking rewrite of the whole
<v Speaker 1>goddamn show. Jesus, So you know what's gonna happen. Vince
<v Speaker 1>is going on Saturday second, or in the morning of
<v Speaker 1>the third. I don't even say it, man.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, So originally we're booked to talk about as
<v Speaker 3>I'm wiping tiers away. That's a good, good advertiser for
<v Speaker 3>that show. So Sunday in August third, So last time
<v Speaker 3>you guys are on, we had talked about the Dark
<v Speaker 3>Side of the Ring series and a bunch of our stuff.
<v Speaker 3>We talked about if people want to go back to
<v Speaker 3>the archives and listen to that. We talked about, uh,
<v Speaker 3>why you didn't decide to go to WrestleMania in Las
<v Speaker 3>Vegas and so on and so forth. Yes, and now
<v Speaker 3>you're back for more cash. You're heading to New York
<v Speaker 3>City Times Square at the Kami Village, three fifty two
<v Speaker 3>West forty fourth Street, Sunday, August third, during the Summer
<v Speaker 3>Slam weekend. Noon, I said, noon eastern, Yes, noon eastern
<v Speaker 3>New User and then Pacific.
<v Speaker 1>End of my mind and my brain just now high
<v Speaker 1>noon in the east. Baby, that's right, we'll time only
<v Speaker 1>around here.
<v Speaker 3>So why now? And what's going on? Tell me all this,
<v Speaker 3>tell me all the details.
<v Speaker 1>The dish Thatt signal went up, back Bat signal went up.
<v Speaker 1>Co Chairman Aer needed, there's a club that wants to
<v Speaker 1>capitalize on, you know, all of the energy that a
<v Speaker 1>to the biggest two night Summer Slam in history will create.
<v Speaker 1>And so you know there was We had relationships with
<v Speaker 1>folks that manage this club and they booked us up.
<v Speaker 1>We yeah, we kind of batted around a rough idea
<v Speaker 1>of maybe doing Summer Slam instead of wrestlemaning because it's
<v Speaker 1>more proximate to us and therefore makes more economic sense.
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to even break even going all the way
<v Speaker 1>over there to Vegas with the prices and everything. He
<v Speaker 1>just made a ton of sense. We're happy, nice lightlift.
<v Speaker 1>We got a ton of fans in and around the
<v Speaker 1>area that it's convenient to get to. Of course, no
<v Speaker 1>real travel, it's no real travel for us. It's very
<v Speaker 1>very easy. They're coming from far and wide, and wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>you know it, and this is up on our feed.
<v Speaker 1>We end up getting acquainted with the guy who runs
<v Speaker 1>the club, and he was a huge ww fan in
<v Speaker 1>New York City and quaintance in the seventies and Sunnyside
<v Speaker 1>Queens of course, Sunnyside Gardens a very evocative part of
<v Speaker 1>New York City for wrestling fans. And we'll get to
<v Speaker 1>talking to him, and sure enough he goes, hey, do
<v Speaker 1>you guys remember that black ring announcer guy. He used
<v Speaker 1>to come around the neighborhood and he used to stack
<v Speaker 1>us up in the in the station wagon and take
<v Speaker 1>us to the garden and and one time, several times
<v Speaker 1>he he asked us to put our feet in his
<v Speaker 1>crotch in I mean, this is the kind of thing
<v Speaker 1>that happens. This is the kind of thing that happens,
<v Speaker 1>and this guy and his and his friends were shepherded
<v Speaker 1>to MSG by Mel Phillips many many, many times in
<v Speaker 1>the seventies, and he was just like he was amazed
<v Speaker 1>that this is like a scandal and that everybody knows
<v Speaker 1>this guy in the wrestling world, and it's there's been
<v Speaker 1>lawsuits and everything, and he had no idea. No, Wow,
<v Speaker 1>it was it was a big international news story. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know how. I don't know how he missed it. Honestly.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's crazy.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he had no clue and it was it
<v Speaker 4>was it's shocking and appalling, honestly, and he I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I give him, I give him credit, and we both
<v Speaker 4>give him credit honestly, because he's you know, he's a comedian.
<v Speaker 4>He's able to make light of it as much as
<v Speaker 4>one can. And you know, it's you know, it's but man,
<v Speaker 4>when you really, when you really think about just kind
<v Speaker 4>of what went down, it's it's it's horrifying. It's horrifying.
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's the kind of thing that comes up.
<v Speaker 1>When we got to New York sect to do a
<v Speaker 1>wrestling podcast, there goes the neighborhood steps from where they
<v Speaker 1>tried their their their restaurant, you know how to do
<v Speaker 1>this one for the live Tuesday night smack Down satellite
<v Speaker 1>broadcasts they used to do there and the body slam
<v Speaker 1>wings or whatever the fuck they used to serve. I
<v Speaker 1>did go there once and eight there once. But there
<v Speaker 1>goes the neighborhood where we're in Times Square and it's
<v Speaker 1>it's where like Vince said about them at the time,
<v Speaker 1>it's where we belong in the middle of it all,
<v Speaker 1>and we're very much looking forward to it and would
<v Speaker 1>love anybody within the sound of our voice who's in
<v Speaker 1>the area to give us a try. If you don't,
<v Speaker 1>you know, know a lot about us. I think our
<v Speaker 1>live show really puts a very fine point on on
<v Speaker 1>what it is to listen to the lapsed fan. The
<v Speaker 1>voices will be there, lapsed Vince will be there. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure we'll have a ton to say. I'm sure the
<v Speaker 1>gathered lapsed masses will like to just have a candlelit
<v Speaker 1>session for Hogan.
<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm sure I'm sure that there will be and
<v Speaker 4>you know, listen, listen that There's one thing I can
<v Speaker 4>say is that, you know, fortunately for the Labs stand
<v Speaker 4>Lapst Hogan does live.
<v Speaker 1>Forever right laps total, and just all the the pecadillos
<v Speaker 1>we picked up on and just the how bizarre it
<v Speaker 1>is that we went in on him and we did
<v Speaker 1>in terms of, like you know, the timing of his
<v Speaker 1>passing and just over the years, all the things that
<v Speaker 1>that we've decided to do around him and his life
<v Speaker 1>and times. It's all in the archives, and it's just
<v Speaker 1>going to come bursting out in the days and weeks
<v Speaker 1>and months to come. I mean, we've got to we've
<v Speaker 1>got to hit a hard stop here and really think
<v Speaker 1>about what people expect of of a podcast like Hours
<v Speaker 1>and Times like Tess, and I'm sure across Wrestling Observer
<v Speaker 1>and all the other websites they're thinking much the same thing,
<v Speaker 1>but in a lot of ways. It starts August third,
<v Speaker 1>noontime Comedy Village in Times Square. Comedy Village dot com
<v Speaker 1>for your tickets, and we'd love to see you there.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's hard enough being a wrestling fan.
<v Speaker 1>The least you can do is be around other wrestling fans.
<v Speaker 1>You don't feel as pathetic.
<v Speaker 3>The thirty put a sell job thirty thirty thirty five.
<v Speaker 1>I was very very affordable for agree drink minimum too,
<v Speaker 1>So don't complain about that after you get through the doors,
<v Speaker 1>or at least don't complain to us about it.
<v Speaker 4>Listen, we're getting you ready for the second night of
<v Speaker 4>Summer Slam, so you know that's what you need. You
<v Speaker 4>need you need to start drinking that early. If you're
<v Speaker 4>going to ge through two nights of Summer Slam, the
<v Speaker 4>biggest two night Summer Slam of all time.
<v Speaker 1>We're going to be talking about what happened on night one.
<v Speaker 1>We've been looking forward tonight too. We've been all over
<v Speaker 1>the scene of heel turn. Well literally, I didn't mean
<v Speaker 1>like anticipating with excitement. I meant we're just previewing it.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what we've tried to do. You know, the
<v Speaker 1>first time we did this in la we did go
<v Speaker 1>right after the end of Night two and just sat
<v Speaker 1>there and told people that's what you get for thinking
<v Speaker 1>Cody was going to win and everything like that, and
<v Speaker 1>Vince wished everybody well in their future Endeavor as Endeavor
<v Speaker 1>closed the deal and we were in Philly, of course
<v Speaker 1>two years ago around WrestleMania, and Vince had a ton
<v Speaker 1>to say. I remember we had a draft at one
<v Speaker 1>point that predicted Hogan was going to go before Vince.
<v Speaker 1>We talked about that. Vince had a lot to say
<v Speaker 1>about how once they get to NETFLI Lapsed Vince. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>once they get to Netflix, We're going to start to
<v Speaker 1>see certain things fall off. We're going to start to
<v Speaker 1>feel a certain way about how effectively ww is able
<v Speaker 1>to reach its customer base and build new fans when
<v Speaker 1>they're no longer putting their main flagship television show on
<v Speaker 1>traditional linear cable, and how basically everything he said is
<v Speaker 1>exactly what's happened as far as people watching the Netflix
<v Speaker 1>numbers that do get published and feeling a sense of
<v Speaker 1>reduced momentum. So many things he said came to fruition
<v Speaker 1>on that day, and the fact that he's not going anywhere,
<v Speaker 1>and the fact that the lawsuit won't put him down
<v Speaker 1>as he continues to form corporations. Lapsed Vince is your reality.
<v Speaker 1>What lawsuit is a lawsuit? He sees, The only sir,
<v Speaker 1>that I have. The only suit that I have is
<v Speaker 1>the one that I wear every day.
<v Speaker 3>The Sunday, August third, The Kami Village Times Square, the
<v Speaker 3>Laps Fan podcast just over two and a half hours
<v Speaker 3>of content for thirty five Bucks fans, as you heard,
<v Speaker 3>can expect it to be chided and and dismissed. And
<v Speaker 3>only the way that the last fans can.
<v Speaker 1>We let we we let you, you know, look at yourself,
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of self regard, you know, like are
<v Speaker 1>going to elevate things. It's not easy though.
<v Speaker 3>Are there mirrors going to be mirrors in each table
<v Speaker 3>for fans that look at yourself?
<v Speaker 1>What have you done to get?
<v Speaker 4>If not that, just take out your phone and do
<v Speaker 4>do the switch. Just look at yourself, flip the phone.
<v Speaker 4>We talked about sartipity. We were in Philly. We're like
<v Speaker 4>getting ready and we're trying to get this idea across
<v Speaker 4>and we watched like a clip that someone put up
<v Speaker 4>on of the local news, you know, the local NBC
<v Speaker 4>affiliate what rever in Philly was covering the fact that
<v Speaker 4>there were so many Wrestlemani related festivities across the city conventions.
<v Speaker 4>And they've got this woman walking the line with the
<v Speaker 4>w and she goes up to them, you've been here
<v Speaker 4>since two am hung ready waiting to get in there
<v Speaker 4>from England. He's like, yeah, yeah, we've been here the
<v Speaker 4>whole time. She goes, what is wrong with you?
<v Speaker 1>And we played that clip for the assembled round the
<v Speaker 1>live show in Philly, and they burst out laughing. We
<v Speaker 1>read an old clip from WrestleMania fifteen, the last time
<v Speaker 1>the show was in Philadelphia, just this columnist and one
<v Speaker 1>of the main newspapers in the city, just completely lampooning
<v Speaker 1>the idea that anybody would come watch this foolishness. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure there's gonna be no shortage of revisitations of the
<v Speaker 1>great work of New York Post columnist Phil Mushnik, Visa Vi,
<v Speaker 1>Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon over the years. When we
<v Speaker 1>arrive in New York. It only makes sense. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the work has already been done for
<v Speaker 1>us in that regard, but we don't shy away from it.
<v Speaker 1>We run towards we won't run towards the shame and
<v Speaker 1>the pain. And absolutely that's how TLF chooses chooses to.
<v Speaker 3>Roll any file thoughts before we get out here and
<v Speaker 3>Hogan Comedy, upcoming lap Span podcast, anything like that would
<v Speaker 3>the people need to know?
<v Speaker 1>Action adventure comedy brother the Lapspan of gmail dot com
<v Speaker 1>if you have any suggestions on how to sate Hulk
<v Speaker 1>Hogan appropriately, we have a ton of ideas. We'll do it,
<v Speaker 1>we'll do it right, we'll do it appropriately. But this
<v Speaker 1>is the biggest one we've ever tried to approach. Oh,
<v Speaker 1>it really is.
<v Speaker 4>I mean we and it's it is, it's it's it's
<v Speaker 4>a crazy thing to even think about because we have
<v Speaker 4>covered so much of the Hulk Hogan ground and even
<v Speaker 4>on our our spin off show Under the Cinemat where I,
<v Speaker 4>you know, look at movies with wrestlers, we have done
<v Speaker 4>the entire Hull Cogan although actually get me thinking we've
<v Speaker 4>done more or less cinemat style the Hull Cogan catalog,
<v Speaker 4>but there's still one that we we may revisit as
<v Speaker 4>it may be a little bit of a tribute to Uh.
<v Speaker 1>We watched every single Hull Cogan movie we've watched post
<v Speaker 1>w W that we're just straight to video.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just so we've the whole thing, and we've gone
<v Speaker 4>in depth in the entire catalog of of Hull Cogan's
<v Speaker 4>so and then and then the the TNA run. It's like,
<v Speaker 4>you know, there are so many aspects of Hull Cogan
<v Speaker 4>that we've covered, but you know, I definitely think that
<v Speaker 4>there's there's always more.
<v Speaker 1>There's always more on cover somehow, some way, there's more
<v Speaker 1>to be said. That's That's the last thing I'll say
<v Speaker 1>about Hull COVID's There's always more to be said. There
<v Speaker 1>certainly is and be more to be said.
<v Speaker 3>On Sunday, August third, so being in New York City
<v Speaker 3>for summer simwaking ear if you're not you just need
<v Speaker 3>something to do. Head after Sunday afternoon at noontime, a
<v Speaker 3>couple of hours to the guys, laugh your asses off,
<v Speaker 3>and then uh, you know, go back to your lives
<v Speaker 3>and look at yourself as in the mirror. You know,
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the best way to do it.
<v Speaker 4>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>Jack and JP from labs Fan, thank you so much
<v Speaker 3>for stopping by and talking about Hault Coogan and talking
<v Speaker 3>about the comedy show.
<v Speaker 1>And having some laughs on this day. Thank you very much.
<v Speaker 1>Fellows appreciate it. Thanks as always, man, thank you. Is
<v Speaker 1>Suing Perseding.
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