Sony Reportedly Developing A PS5 Portable System

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<v Speaker 1>let's start the morning mess with Sony reportedly developing a
<v Speaker 1>PS five portable system. This is from Evan Campbell at GameSpot,
<v Speaker 1>a successor of sorts to play to the PlayStation portable
<v Speaker 1>and PlayStation Vita is reportedly in development at Sony. The
<v Speaker 1>company is apparently working on a handheld PS five system
<v Speaker 1>that would seemingly compete with Nintendo's upcoming switch to and
<v Speaker 1>Valves steam Deck. According to bloom a report from Bloomberg,
<v Speaker 1>a PS five portable system is years away from hitting
<v Speaker 1>the market. If it does at all, there's still a
<v Speaker 1>possibility Sony decides to pull the plug on the handheld.
<v Speaker 1>The report states that the PlayStation Portal was originally planned
<v Speaker 1>as a similar product to the Steam Deck, before becoming
<v Speaker 1>dependent on streaming via a PS five console. However, a
<v Speaker 1>new PlayStation Portal update has introduced a cloud streaming beta
<v Speaker 1>for PS plus Premium members. This means a PS five
<v Speaker 1>isn't required to play games on the device. Sony isn't
<v Speaker 1>alone and wanting to expand to the handheld market. Microsoft
<v Speaker 1>Gaming CEO Phil Spencer has been very open about his
<v Speaker 1>desires for an Xbox handheld, though it too is quote
<v Speaker 1>a few years out if it ever releases as well.
<v Speaker 1>We know this right that all these companies are looking
<v Speaker 1>at the space, seeing the growth there, seeing the success
<v Speaker 1>that Nintendo has had, and I think you know the
<v Speaker 1>dual pronged approach of the success of Nintendo and then
<v Speaker 1>Valve being able to replicate that in its own way
<v Speaker 1>has proven to these companies that oh, this is now
<v Speaker 1>a space we cannot sit out in the way that
<v Speaker 1>Sony was is now has been sitting out for the
<v Speaker 1>last several years.
<v Speaker 2>Right absolutely, And I mean, you know, I do think
<v Speaker 2>that anything Sony does is going to be more similar
<v Speaker 2>to Valve and the Steam Deck because it is an
<v Speaker 2>additional piece of hardware. I think what we're underestimating here
<v Speaker 2>is the success of Nintendo in the respect that their
<v Speaker 2>console is both handheld and playable on a TV monitor
<v Speaker 2>what have you in one package. You're not paying for
<v Speaker 2>additional hardware in order to use the switch handheld. So
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where yes, I definitely do
<v Speaker 2>want to be able to play a lot of my
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation games handheld now PlayStation or I should say, very
<v Speaker 2>more specifically, there are companies that make very large RPGs,
<v Speaker 2>of which I am a fan, that are moving away
<v Speaker 2>from their exclusive exclusivity partnership with Sony. You know, RPGs
<v Speaker 2>are long games. They're like, you know, yes, you lose
<v Speaker 2>some of the fidelity of seeing it on a big,
<v Speaker 2>beautiful monitor. But at the end of the day, it's like,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes I want to be able to play laying down,
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there are a bunch of games that
<v Speaker 2>I make the decision to get on Switch because I
<v Speaker 2>know I want to play them handheld, and I know
<v Speaker 2>that if I want to play them on a larger screen,
<v Speaker 2>I can just do that. I don't have to have
<v Speaker 2>another piece of hardware to do that. I simply need
<v Speaker 2>what the Switch comes with. So I do think that
<v Speaker 2>Sony needs to get into the handheld market, and I
<v Speaker 2>feel like I am the target audience. But I think
<v Speaker 2>that again, like part of what has made the Switch
<v Speaker 2>so incredibly successful is that it was sold at a
<v Speaker 2>appealing price point and you were getting two for one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think that really just kind of
<v Speaker 1>brings up all of the complications here of doing a
<v Speaker 1>system like this where it's just not as simple as
<v Speaker 1>do one of those and make it a portable. Let's
<v Speaker 1>take the bus five and make it portable, right, It's
<v Speaker 1>there's so much more that goes into that of what
<v Speaker 1>does that look like? And there's complications that we talk
<v Speaker 1>about on this show all the time when we talk
<v Speaker 1>about like Microsoft, so they're gonna have a handheld and
<v Speaker 1>are they going to have is that going to be
<v Speaker 1>based on X eighty six or arm architecture all this stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and that's complicated, it's in the weeds. I think this
<v Speaker 1>audience can handle this stuff. I think you guys know
<v Speaker 1>who can can like understand what we're talking about when
<v Speaker 1>we when we do get into that stuff. And that's
<v Speaker 1>the same problem here for Sony for sure. But Sony
<v Speaker 1>also just has a track record of having the PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>and then another device and what is this new EMO? Whatever?
<v Speaker 1>I got it, I got a lot.
<v Speaker 3>To catch up on today's Shawn memorial.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, Like Sony is the track record of Okay, we
<v Speaker 1>have the main the main platform, the PlayStation, and then
<v Speaker 1>a secondary platform, be that be that the PSP, the
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation Vita, the PSVR or the PSVR two. And in
<v Speaker 1>all those cases, the PlayStation gets plenty of great support,
<v Speaker 1>tons of games, first party, third party, and then these
<v Speaker 1>secondary devices sometimes get pretty good support, but it's not
<v Speaker 1>it's always felt like second string teams at best, and
<v Speaker 1>then not occasionally, very frequently for these devices via PSVR
<v Speaker 1>two especially, they feel like they don't get anything from
<v Speaker 1>the first party teams if they get you know, if
<v Speaker 1>they do, it's morsels here and there, and and then
<v Speaker 1>you know, then they get maybe has spattered, you know,
<v Speaker 1>a small sprinkle of third party games. Now what we're
<v Speaker 1>talking about here is a portable PS five though, apparently,
<v Speaker 1>which would mean, hey, this just plays all PS five game.
<v Speaker 1>This just is a PS five with a screen on it.
<v Speaker 1>Is that what they're saying, because that's not going to
<v Speaker 1>be very easy or cost effective to be able to
<v Speaker 1>pull off.
<v Speaker 3>No, it is not. Yeah, I mean especially when you think.
<v Speaker 2>About the fact that, yes, they I believe they have
<v Speaker 2>made slimmer versions of the PS five, but the PS
<v Speaker 2>five visiting incredibly powerful console.
<v Speaker 3>And I mean this like.
<v Speaker 2>Again goes back to the conversations around Nintendo of Nintendo
<v Speaker 2>is never trying to keep up with the hardware per se.
<v Speaker 2>They are always trying to Nintendo and do something a
<v Speaker 2>little bit different Nintendo.
<v Speaker 3>You know they don't.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think that they will make the next switch
<v Speaker 2>able to do sixty fps, but that's like not, but
<v Speaker 2>that's just because like that's what the market is doing
<v Speaker 2>and if they have the capability to.
<v Speaker 3>Do it, they'll do it.
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not Nintendo's thing, whereas Sony is so much
<v Speaker 2>built on the fidelity of this system being able to
<v Speaker 2>run at incredibly fast speeds and handle very high levels
<v Speaker 2>of you know, graphics, input data, et cetera.
<v Speaker 3>How are you going to shrink that into a handheld console.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the answer is it's like time, They'll just
<v Speaker 1>need a lot more time, you know, at minimum three years.
<v Speaker 1>And at that point it's still going to be pretty expensive.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you can do this like this is
<v Speaker 1>possible now, Yeah, but then you would be sacrificing almost
<v Speaker 1>certainly battery life and costs. It would be very expensive
<v Speaker 1>and the battery life wouldn't be very good. If you
<v Speaker 1>just took the PS five as it is now and
<v Speaker 1>tried to, you know, shrink it down as as small
<v Speaker 1>as possible and put a screen on it, it probably probably
<v Speaker 1>be pretty bulky and would need some very effective cooling.
<v Speaker 1>These are things that as they get smaller and smaller processes,
<v Speaker 1>you know where the god the PlayStation five is already
<v Speaker 1>on and this is like you know, the lithograph of
<v Speaker 1>actually drawing the circuits on integrated circuits. It's on like
<v Speaker 1>a five nanometer process, which just means there's a tiny,
<v Speaker 1>little imagine a pen drawing these circuits on the circuit board,
<v Speaker 1>and that's smaller than like I think the seven or
<v Speaker 1>six nanimeter process they use when they started the generation,
<v Speaker 1>which every time they make it smaller, it produces less heat,
<v Speaker 1>makes it more energy efficient. That's good. They are already
<v Speaker 1>kind of bumping up against what is physically possible to
<v Speaker 1>shrink it down to, Like they don't think getting down
<v Speaker 1>to like one nanometer is going to be possible. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>it will be. There are some I think Apple's beginning
<v Speaker 1>to use three nanimeter again, just the smaller than number
<v Speaker 1>of the more efficient, less heat. These are good things.
<v Speaker 1>As if they can get like that down to a
<v Speaker 1>three nanometer two nanimeter process, they probably can have this
<v Speaker 1>in a situation where it produces it like runs just
<v Speaker 1>like a PS five with a very high UH frequency.
<v Speaker 1>If people remember like the PS five GPU or CPU
<v Speaker 1>when it like runs at like you know, two point
<v Speaker 1>something like gig hurts. It's it's a very high process
<v Speaker 1>or frequency for a processor. I mean like shocked people
<v Speaker 1>when it first got announced. But AMD stuff is very
<v Speaker 1>energy efficient, so it was okay in a big console
<v Speaker 1>with a massive cooling structure, uh, but you know, they
<v Speaker 1>have been able to shrink that already. We've seen in
<v Speaker 1>the revised PS five, especially in the slim in the Pro,
<v Speaker 1>they've been able to shrink that already. So over time
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be able to do this, but it is
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna take time. And by that and that point,
<v Speaker 1>you know, at that point, it's gonna take the time
<v Speaker 1>to make it a consumer product, right, and by that
<v Speaker 1>point it feels like this market could be settled in
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways. And then who we'll be asking
<v Speaker 1>for a portable PS five. I guess, hey, a new
<v Speaker 1>way to play your library of games that you already
<v Speaker 1>owns always going to be welcome. Yeah, yeah, but I
<v Speaker 1>just don't know if how it really fits in to
<v Speaker 1>be like an exciting new on the market.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, as you say, just it sounds like it.
<v Speaker 3>And and look, I'm very.
<v Speaker 2>Much of the opinion that like we don't need a
<v Speaker 2>next generation of consoles.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what.
<v Speaker 2>They're going to do, sure, because like I can't see
<v Speaker 2>better than four K, but the vast majority of human
<v Speaker 2>beings cannot The vast majority of human beings can't even
<v Speaker 2>see fully in four K, So like, what are we
<v Speaker 2>going to do next yeah. I But that being said,
<v Speaker 2>we know that they are going to continue to innovate
<v Speaker 2>and there are going to be new consoles.
<v Speaker 3>So again, by the.
<v Speaker 2>Time a PlayStation five handheld is on the market, it
<v Speaker 2>feels like the moment will be passed.
<v Speaker 1>Now, you know. That is how does it make sense
<v Speaker 1>for Sony in terms of growing their business, which is
<v Speaker 1>you know, something we talk about a lot and something
<v Speaker 1>Sony's talked about a lot. Hey, they were trying all
<v Speaker 1>these live service games because they wanted to grow the
<v Speaker 1>market reachboard people, and the handhelds feel like a way
<v Speaker 1>to grow while maintaining this console business in a way
<v Speaker 1>that it always has traditionally been of. You sell a
<v Speaker 1>piece of hardware to a consumer, they buy games for
<v Speaker 1>that thing, and that business just isn't growing. When it
<v Speaker 1>comes to selling big boxes that go under TVs, that
<v Speaker 1>audience is pretty you know, it's static in a lot
<v Speaker 1>of ways. But maybe handheld is a way to grow
<v Speaker 1>that and that's why Sony's interested in it. But let's
<v Speaker 1>look at the flip side. Would we be interested? I
<v Speaker 1>think I would. I want this thing. I want it
<v Speaker 1>to work, just just as they say it could work,
<v Speaker 1>which is a PS five that plays all the games
<v Speaker 1>of the PS five runs, and if you you know,
<v Speaker 1>present that in a way where it's it's it's sleek,
<v Speaker 1>and it does have a good battery life and a
<v Speaker 1>good screen, and it's reasonably rice, which I'm like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what that looks like. Five hundred six hundred dollars,
<v Speaker 1>I guess about as much as a new console may maybe,
<v Speaker 1>I mean a news you know, PSVR two, I think
<v Speaker 1>is probably the price level to look at. They'll probably
<v Speaker 1>place it around that level. I would consider this for sure,
<v Speaker 1>because I'm someone who likes all of the games in
<v Speaker 1>the PlayStation, but I'm just not sit in front of
<v Speaker 1>the TV by myself very frequently a frequently these days,
<v Speaker 1>so I would be excited about this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, look, as I say, I feel like
<v Speaker 2>I am the target audience for this. I'm a I
<v Speaker 2>am a PlayStation gal through and through have been since
<v Speaker 2>the OG PlayStation came out, And yeah, but I guess
<v Speaker 2>that for me, my question is how does this play
<v Speaker 2>on the market at large, or is this more for
<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned grub, the consumer who is already into
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation and just has a bunch of games on their
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation that they want to play handheld so much much
<v Speaker 2>that they're willing to shell out the money to get
<v Speaker 2>an additional piece of hardware.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I you know, I think the benefit here
<v Speaker 1>is as long as they don't need to make bespoke
<v Speaker 1>software for if they could just be PlayStation games run
<v Speaker 1>on this thing. And I think you nailed it, Like
<v Speaker 1>do We're not in a place where we are pining
<v Speaker 1>for a new generation. I mean, there's always going to
<v Speaker 1>be people that do like you said, and then they
<v Speaker 1>are always going to keep doing that because forced obsolescence
<v Speaker 1>is a huge part of the business model, Like they
<v Speaker 1>have to have the beginning. They're addicted to it. There's
<v Speaker 1>no way they're going to throw that away. But they
<v Speaker 1>don't have to rush into it. And as they are
<v Speaker 1>making games like on the PS like already on the
<v Speaker 1>PS five, every game they're making and they're like, should
<v Speaker 1>we be just doing a PS four version of this
<v Speaker 1>as well? That's going to be doubly true for PS
<v Speaker 1>five to PS six because PS five is already at
<v Speaker 1>a point where it's capabilities surpass the budget in time
<v Speaker 1>most developers have to make games, and so as they
<v Speaker 1>go to PS six and if they have a PS
<v Speaker 1>five handheld over here. Every game they make for the
<v Speaker 1>PSI probably they could just have a PS five version
<v Speaker 1>ready to go, and then they have both audiences that
<v Speaker 1>can play that game and it works on this new handheld.
<v Speaker 1>That part makes a lot of sense to me, right,
<v Speaker 1>you know? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I was like, maybe I'm gonna backpedal a little bit here,
<v Speaker 2>which is is it going to be an exciting addition
<v Speaker 2>to the market where a new console is coming out?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Am I more likely as somebody that's like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>think we need another generation of consoles for until we
<v Speaker 2>like get full Holiday Star Trek. I think I actually
<v Speaker 2>might be more inclined to purchase a handheld PS five
<v Speaker 2>than a PS six.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, No, for real, I get
<v Speaker 1>that dark Kileron wants me to mention that the portal exists,
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, I think that almost goes to
<v Speaker 1>that same But I also know that's saying like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the PlayStation portal exists. This is a thing that enabled
<v Speaker 1>you know, as the story said, it's there. It lets
<v Speaker 1>you play games from your PS five, you stream games
<v Speaker 1>from the PS five that you own. Although now for
<v Speaker 1>pre subscribers to PlayStation Plus. Apparently they're testing I don't
<v Speaker 1>remember this, so this is something that must have happened
<v Speaker 1>recently and I just wasn't looking, But apparently they're testing
<v Speaker 1>this where you could stream games from the cloud directly
<v Speaker 1>to the portal if you're a PlayStation Plus Premium subscriber,
<v Speaker 1>so you wouldn't need a PS five, although I can't
<v Speaker 1>imagine who's really subscribing to PlayStation Plus Premium, who doesn't
<v Speaker 1>own a.
<v Speaker 3>PA, doesn't own AS five.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, maybe they're out there and in
<v Speaker 1>a portal, so effectively they have one of these things already,
<v Speaker 1>just not running the games natively. And I think PlayStation's
<v Speaker 1>cloud stuff is pretty decent, and even streaming from the
<v Speaker 1>PS five has been a pretty okay experience. Here or there.
<v Speaker 1>It's spotty, but there's times where it works really well.
<v Speaker 1>So they have this thing where it's like people want
<v Speaker 1>this experience. Yeah, the PlayStation portal has sold very well,
<v Speaker 1>and so if they could do it where the games
<v Speaker 1>run natively, and then that would also have all the
<v Speaker 1>same probably features as the portal. Yeah, I mean, I
<v Speaker 1>think I think the proof is already there that this
<v Speaker 1>is something that the market wants, and we know that
<v Speaker 1>you're right going back to it. Just Nintendo's built their
<v Speaker 1>whole business around having this thing that is both and
<v Speaker 1>that seems to have worked really well. Valve is like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>the one piece of hardware that we have that plays
<v Speaker 1>games other than a VR headset is this is this
<v Speaker 1>device where you just buy it from us and it's handheld,
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to do all this work to make
<v Speaker 1>sure the game's run and we're going to tell you
<v Speaker 1>if they don't. And here it is. It's PC. It's
<v Speaker 1>a little bit messy, but it works really well. We're
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it feel like a console experience, and that
<v Speaker 1>feels like a really distinct option from a lot of
<v Speaker 1>the other options in PC gaming. So it has made sense.
<v Speaker 1>And I just think when it comes to PS five,
<v Speaker 1>it's like they're gonna have to figure out what it
<v Speaker 1>looks like and set themselves up for the future. But
<v Speaker 1>still I want it. I think most people will want
<v Speaker 1>something like this, and I think Sony for them it
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. It's just at the same time, it's just
<v Speaker 1>not the big answer to the big problems that hover
<v Speaker 1>over Sony and Microsoft and a lot of these game
<v Speaker 1>making companies, which is what does future growth really look like.
<v Speaker 1>This is still making a device for people like us
<v Speaker 1>and people that listen to the show and so hey,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not complaining. I do want it.
<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm going to buy it, yep, absolutely if it happens,
<v Speaker 2>I own it already.
<v Speaker 1>I want all these companies to have their own handhelds
<v Speaker 1>at the very least. You know, we get to a
<v Speaker 1>point where every time they come up with a new
<v Speaker 1>feature that finds us way back into the Roger Allies
<v Speaker 1>and the Steam decks and all these PC ones and
<v Speaker 1>it proves everything. So yeah, I hope that competition is
<v Speaker 1>really heated in that space for quite some time. And
<v Speaker 1>you know that's Sony and microsoftware Al's companies that could
<v Speaker 1>subsidize the pricing for these things so keeps the overall
<v Speaker 1>price down, whereas these third party companies, the oecs whatever,
<v Speaker 1>they would have to continue to sell it at a
<v Speaker 1>higher price because they are only making money from the hardware. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>let's get over to the Sircana report for October twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty four. Matt Piscatello did this last week at the
<v Speaker 1>very end of last week, so let's catch up on it.
<v Speaker 1>October twenty twenty four. US video game market highlights from Sircana.
<v Speaker 1>Projected October twenty twenty four, total US spending on video
<v Speaker 1>game hardware, content and accessories grew ten percent when compared
<v Speaker 1>to a year ago to four point seven billion dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Year to date spending is now one percent above a
<v Speaker 1>year ago at forty five point four billion dollars, So
<v Speaker 1>those are both marks. League one percent year to date
<v Speaker 1>might not sound great, but the estimation from Matt and
<v Speaker 1>others about this about this whole year was Yay, things
<v Speaker 1>are going to be down this year. It's going to
<v Speaker 1>be down two to four, maybe five percent. In a
<v Speaker 1>really worst case scenario, could be down as much as
<v Speaker 1>five percent. And that explains why we had so many layoffs,
<v Speaker 1>because the industry is not just not making as much
<v Speaker 1>money as it was. It's up one percent. We're actually
<v Speaker 1>now it's sir, Kana, this is just the US. This
<v Speaker 1>is just the US where consumer spending has continued to
<v Speaker 1>be very strong in a way that has defied all expectations,
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the world has just not had
<v Speaker 1>that same experience. So it does not tell the whole
<v Speaker 1>story of what these companies are experiencing. But in the
<v Speaker 1>United States, the biggest gaming market still goes back and
<v Speaker 1>forth with China these days, but for the most part
<v Speaker 1>the number one market. Overall spending for the entire year
<v Speaker 1>so far is one up one percent, and probably we'll
<v Speaker 1>finish the year either even or about one percent up.
<v Speaker 1>And of course you got to take into effect the
<v Speaker 1>increases in prices and stuff like that inflation, so it's
<v Speaker 1>not really going to keep up with what it was
<v Speaker 1>doing last year. But overall this is good sign and
<v Speaker 1>especially up ten percent for October. A lot of that.
<v Speaker 1>As Matt says here, Emma is Call of Duty did
<v Speaker 1>very very well, but there's a lot of new games
<v Speaker 1>on this list.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that we're still
<v Speaker 2>kind of seeing this.
<v Speaker 3>Waterfall. Waterfall is not the right word for it, because
<v Speaker 3>there's like an up and down to it.
<v Speaker 1>It's like waves on the show. That's like the high
<v Speaker 1>tide low tide, right, like.
<v Speaker 3>The high tide low tide.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, it's like the tide is starting to come
<v Speaker 2>back in because it's like, okay, so twenty twenty, the
<v Speaker 2>tide came way because you know, people and we saw
<v Speaker 2>it across a lot of businesses that are in the
<v Speaker 2>business of consumers doing things at home, and and internet companies,
<v Speaker 2>because again people were at home, they had a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of time to just be looking at stuff on the internet,
<v Speaker 2>be playing video games. So we see this huge, huge
<v Speaker 2>increase in the market and companies were rushing to meet that.
<v Speaker 3>And then of course that is not sustainable.
<v Speaker 2>So the money starts going away and the consumerism is.
<v Speaker 3>Still present, but it's not at the level that it was.
<v Speaker 2>So all this money starts going away and away, and
<v Speaker 2>a way, we get to an extreme low tide, and
<v Speaker 2>now it feels like we're starting to we're starting to
<v Speaker 2>see the tide come back in.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean it's you know, these events, they are
<v Speaker 1>things we can't control. We just we moved through them.
<v Speaker 1>And as we do, these companies make estimations of like, okay,
<v Speaker 1>the water level, it keeps going up, so it's going
<v Speaker 1>to keep going up. And it's like, okay, you just
<v Speaker 1>you know, we know just by living through our experiences
<v Speaker 1>that that's not going to be the case. Not nope,
<v Speaker 1>But these companies were, they were borrowing lots of money,
<v Speaker 1>they were making a lot of big bets because they
<v Speaker 1>were trying to say Hey, we had growth, and where
<v Speaker 1>they're going to say to their investors, Well, we just
<v Speaker 1>had the growth, so we don't need growth. That's no,
<v Speaker 1>that's not allowed. You can't do that. So they made
<v Speaker 1>the big bets. Those big bets obviously just weren't going
<v Speaker 1>to work out in that time because we were coming
<v Speaker 1>off of a lot of growth that was boosted for
<v Speaker 1>a number of reasons. We get on the other side
<v Speaker 1>of it and all those layoffs happened, and now we're
<v Speaker 1>here and it's like, oh, the industry is doing pretty well.
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's doing pretty solid. Yeah, the five to fifteen
<v Speaker 1>percent growth isn't happening right now, but it's not. All
<v Speaker 1>the gains you made didn't suddenly slip away. So if
<v Speaker 1>you could have found out an equilibrium, which you know,
<v Speaker 1>they'll argue that's what the layouts were. We were finding
<v Speaker 1>this equilibrium. But regardless, industry doing very well. But it
<v Speaker 1>does go back to call Duty Black Ops six being
<v Speaker 1>very successful. So it's one, two, three, four games here
<v Speaker 1>and there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's.
<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, when we do see growth coming, like oh,
<v Speaker 1>this company handle that was doing very well, now they're
<v Speaker 1>doing even better. It's because of something like NCAA College
<v Speaker 1>Football twenty five, which is still a year to date
<v Speaker 1>the best selling game so far. And it's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a college football game last year, and
<v Speaker 1>now they do and it's massively successful. So HbA is
<v Speaker 1>seeing a lot of growth things like that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's really interesting having this conversation
<v Speaker 2>with Gabe, my husband, when we were driving out to
<v Speaker 2>Arizona for Thanksgiving and we yeah, we were like talking
<v Speaker 2>about the fact that the concept of a game of
<v Speaker 2>the year, let's say, is super different than say a
<v Speaker 2>like best picture or an album of the year.
<v Speaker 3>Sure, because games take a lot. It's also like saying, oh,
<v Speaker 3>the best book of the year.
<v Speaker 2>These are things that take a commitment, they take time,
<v Speaker 2>they take strong consideration, and I think that like people
<v Speaker 2>will come back to some of these games. It's just again,
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's an oversaturated market, the way that like
<v Speaker 2>television with the streaming services is an oversaturated market.
<v Speaker 3>And so unfortunately, I.
<v Speaker 2>Think that, you know, in some cases, people will end
<v Speaker 2>up coming back to these things that they have missed
<v Speaker 2>because they were a big time commitment.
<v Speaker 3>And it's like Okay, cool, now I have the time
<v Speaker 3>to play this thing that came out that interested me, and.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's not the same as like you can
<v Speaker 2>really tell with a movie or an album very quickly
<v Speaker 2>because that's a ninety minute watch. That's a ninety minute listen,
<v Speaker 2>you know, or say between ninety minutes and two.
<v Speaker 3>And a half hours. But still that is very different than.
<v Speaker 2>Even a short video game, which these days clocks in
<v Speaker 2>around I would say, like what ten eleven hours?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like there's any games they'll do the very
<v Speaker 1>short thing of like here's two hours and it's like
<v Speaker 1>what that's word? That's crazy. One of those a couple
<v Speaker 1>of years like there about, and it's like, yeah, so
<v Speaker 1>we're talking these days, especially from big companies, ten fifteen
<v Speaker 1>hours for a lot of them. Yeah, and I think
<v Speaker 1>that makes it like it's always so hard to keep
<v Speaker 1>up with the different zeitgeist that are happening because of that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, look at it again please. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was going to say, is then that
<v Speaker 2>is why you see a lot of success with the
<v Speaker 2>core fan base of these games like Call of Duty
<v Speaker 2>or like you know, a college.
<v Speaker 1>Football dragon Ball, Yeah, dragon.
<v Speaker 2>Ball totally, because there's more of a pick up and
<v Speaker 2>play element to it, whereas I think there are a
<v Speaker 2>huge number of gamers like myself who are narrative gamers.
<v Speaker 2>Like I like narrative games, I also love platformers.
<v Speaker 3>But you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 2>So you know, that's a commitment in a way that
<v Speaker 2>like if I was just into some FPS that I
<v Speaker 2>could pick up and play, then maybe I get it,
<v Speaker 2>Like I get why those games see the amount of
<v Speaker 2>success that they do.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, absolute, yeah, absolutely, And that's a huge part of
<v Speaker 1>the top part of this list. Call of Duty Black
<v Speaker 1>Ops six at number one, the whole like there are
<v Speaker 1>eight new games just in the top ten, and then
<v Speaker 1>another new game in the top twenty behind those. So
<v Speaker 1>Call of Duty Black Ops six at number one, then
<v Speaker 1>Dragon Ball Sparking zero at number two. That is already
<v Speaker 1>the number four best selling game year the year, huge,
<v Speaker 1>very similar to what college football did. It's the college
<v Speaker 1>football games for weves.
<v Speaker 3>Is yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
<v Speaker 1>Silent Hill two is at number three. That's another new
<v Speaker 1>one undisputed as number four is that the boxing game.
<v Speaker 1>I can't, I don't maybe that's from play on. I
<v Speaker 1>don't like trying to place that. Number five was metaphor
<v Speaker 1>refontasio or sorry, number five that was number number six,
<v Speaker 1>Dragon Age the Veilguard. Number seven Super Mario Party Jamboree
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't include digital sales. Then number eight was Madden.
<v Speaker 1>Then number nine was Sonic Shadow Generations and yet another
<v Speaker 1>new game, and then E Sports College Football I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 1>E Sports Football Club twenty five. It was ten and
<v Speaker 1>College Football was eleven. So yeah, and then Echoes of
<v Speaker 1>Wisdom and it's second month still number twelve, again without
<v Speaker 1>digital sales for that one.
<v Speaker 2>The Echoes of Wisdom, I rolled credits on it. I
<v Speaker 2>feel so proud of myself.
<v Speaker 3>It was so fun.
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yeah, Now that I'm back home, that was the
<v Speaker 1>first game I picked up. I'm like, I'm gonna finish
<v Speaker 1>that one. Finished thousand your doors, Mike Manady will stop
<v Speaker 1>yelling at me, and then I'm gonna try to two.
<v Speaker 3>I'm on Plucky Squire. Now, how do.
<v Speaker 1>You like a Plucky Square? It's when we're like, my.
<v Speaker 2>God, I love it.
<v Speaker 3>I love it. Yeah, it's just so charming.
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean, look, it's it's certainly like not
<v Speaker 2>as big and sophisticated as say an Echoes of but
<v Speaker 2>you know it has such good ideas and it's just
<v Speaker 2>so charming the way that it's executed, I'm having a
<v Speaker 2>really really great time. Good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was just I was playing on was like,
<v Speaker 1>I like this and I like the charm that's like,
<v Speaker 1>and I just was like, the things I'm doing aren't
<v Speaker 1>really sparking joy in me and all that stuff, but
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I want to like this. So whenever someone does,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, good, I'm glad there's this ye out there.
<v Speaker 1>And some people are really jibing with it. Seems to
<v Speaker 1>be that's case. Some people it's working for it totally,
<v Speaker 1>and then some people like, this is fine, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>gonna put it down and probably not play anymore because
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I like the tricks, but I don't
<v Speaker 1>need to play the whole game.
<v Speaker 2>Geah, but I'm not Yeah totally, Yeah, nope, I get it.
<v Speaker 2>I fully see that perspective. Even though it is working
<v Speaker 2>for me.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Astrobot's still in the top twenty at number fifteen
<v Speaker 1>after being number two last month. Okay, that's something. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I open it as a little bit better legs than that.
<v Speaker 1>Even if it gets stay in the top twenty in
<v Speaker 1>November and December, I'll be very happy personally. Yeah. So
<v Speaker 1>that year to date, as we mentioned the EA Sports
<v Speaker 1>College Football is still at number one, Hell Divers two
<v Speaker 1>still at number two. Had a Call of Duty Black
<v Speaker 1>Ops six. That is the biggest indication to be that
<v Speaker 1>that game really was as big as everyone was saying
<v Speaker 1>when it was happening, because that's a forty dollars game
<v Speaker 1>and this chart is done by dollar sales. So the
<v Speaker 1>fact that Call of Duty Black Ops six, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I think that was at the end of its month,
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the month, right, so a couple
<v Speaker 1>of days of sales, But that usually doesn't matter in
<v Speaker 1>the past, a Call of Duty game came out and
<v Speaker 1>then the first report even at the end of the month,
<v Speaker 1>Even if it came out the end of the month,
<v Speaker 1>it would be number one for the year with just
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days of sales. So the fact that
<v Speaker 1>hell Divers two has made more money than a couple
<v Speaker 1>of days of Call of Duty Black Ops six one
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest launches in Call of Duty history. Very
<v Speaker 1>good signed for that game. Then number four, Dragon Ball
<v Speaker 1>Sparking zero, as we mentioned for the year, already out
<v Speaker 1>selling games like Madden Elden you know, the research and
<v Speaker 1>Eldering after it had its DLC. Dragon's Dogma two things
<v Speaker 1>like that. So man, Dragon's Dogma two is still number nine,
<v Speaker 1>the best selling game of the year so far. That
<v Speaker 1>is really good, and cap comes crushing it. I think
<v Speaker 1>we say that every time we do one of these,
<v Speaker 1>but really just crushing it all right. Some other details
<v Speaker 1>here from Matt He mentions about dragon Ball Sparking Zero
<v Speaker 1>was the number two best selling game. As we said,
<v Speaker 1>after just one month in the market, spark and Zero
<v Speaker 1>became among became the best selling dragon Ball game in
<v Speaker 1>the US lifetime dollar sales, and ranked third among all
<v Speaker 1>Bandy Namco Entertainment published titles in history, trailing Old and
<v Speaker 1>Only Elden Ring and Dark Souls Three. So very very
<v Speaker 1>good results for that game. It's one where it's like
<v Speaker 1>I came back from the vacation, I saw this story,
<v Speaker 1>saw dragon Ball spark and Zero. I'm like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that game. And meanwhile it's got this massive audience of
<v Speaker 1>people who are just obsessed with it. So that could
<v Speaker 1>still happen. When it comes to Silent Hill two, it debuted.
<v Speaker 1>It's the number two best selling Silent Hill game in
<v Speaker 1>lifetime dollar sales, trailing only the original Silent Hill two.
<v Speaker 1>It ranked third among all video games in October full
<v Speaker 1>game dollar sales and it number twenty eight for the
<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty four a year to date, so it's
<v Speaker 1>already in the top thirty. Very good for Silent Hill two.
<v Speaker 1>And then video game hardware spending dropped twenty three percent
<v Speaker 1>in October when compared to a year ago. Switch dollar
<v Speaker 1>sales fell thirty eight percent year on year during October,
<v Speaker 1>which will relate to a story we'll get to here
<v Speaker 1>very shortly. While PS five declined by twenty percent, an
<v Speaker 1>Xbox series showed in eighteen percent decrease, so again everything
<v Speaker 1>is down. This story says there's a six hundred and
<v Speaker 1>four thousand units of new video game hardware sold in October,
<v Speaker 1>that is down from seven hundred and fifty nine thousand units.
<v Speaker 1>And this has a crossed all the devices, including plug
<v Speaker 1>and play devices, which do you think this is notable?
<v Speaker 1>Because this is how Matt listed it. He said across Arcade,
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo Switch, PlayStation four, PlayStation five, plug and play, and
<v Speaker 1>Xbox series PLAYTF never mind, he's doing it an alphabetical order.
<v Speaker 1>I got. I was like, is he putting Xbox last
<v Speaker 1>because it was in last place? Nope, he just put
<v Speaker 1>in alpabetical order because Matt Piskotella is smart and doesn't
<v Speaker 1>want to give away the goat there.
<v Speaker 2>So yes, yeah, I mean, look, the thing about hardware
<v Speaker 2>spending is it's not I mean, we had a whole
<v Speaker 2>you and I had a hole back and forth about
<v Speaker 2>the you know, PS five pro and who that's for.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't surprise me at all that hardware spending is
<v Speaker 2>down because at this point, you know, these consoles have
<v Speaker 2>been out for an extended period of.
<v Speaker 1>Time, and that bubble at the beginning of the bulge
<v Speaker 1>of everyone jumping on early on the generation they felt
<v Speaker 1>fomo and they ran indoor, the you know, the generation
<v Speaker 1>began in twenty twenty. Yeah, so all of those factors,
<v Speaker 1>it's like, this is actually just a correction, and it
<v Speaker 1>probably will bounce back up here as we get into
<v Speaker 1>the next couple of years of these consoles, where it'll
<v Speaker 1>correct again as this wobble of coming out of the
<v Speaker 1>pandemic continues, which I know people don't don't feel like
<v Speaker 1>we're in that, but there's still a wobble to all
<v Speaker 1>of this. All right, we have plenty more stories to
<v Speaker 1>get to. What we're gonna do now is take a
<v Speaker 1>quick break. When we get back, we'll talk about just
<v Speaker 1>the completely shit luck that you'd be softest hat with
<v Speaker 1>its games, and that has continued right after this. All right,
<v Speaker 1>let's get into it. Star Wars Outlaws and Assassin's Creed
<v Speaker 1>Valhalla don't work with the latest Windows update at the
<v Speaker 1>worst possible time. This is where Ethink gotcha at Kotaku.
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars Outlaws finally came to Steam last week. Unfortunately,
<v Speaker 1>there's also an issue with the latest version of Windows
<v Speaker 1>that makes it. It makes it so the sci fi
<v Speaker 1>Open World Adventure and other Ubisoft games don't work Microsoft.
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft has acknowledged the issue and is pausing the update
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime. So it's like, man, they like updated
<v Speaker 1>this game, trying to get it ready for the Steam launch.
<v Speaker 1>They did all this work, They're trying to relaunch the game,
<v Speaker 1>and they just immediately crashed into a brick wall not
<v Speaker 1>caused by them. I don't know, maybe there's maybe there's
<v Speaker 1>some responsibility here, but the bug does seem to be
<v Speaker 1>on Microsoft side.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>That is just so unfortunate. What I mean, is this
<v Speaker 1>just karma for Ubi stuft at this point? Are they
<v Speaker 1>just paying some carmeic price?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe the video game gods were like too many.
<v Speaker 3>Assassin's Creed.
<v Speaker 1>You just have to like make make a ray Man
<v Speaker 1>game or I will spite the Yes.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ah Man, Ubisoft just cannot win.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just can't. Yeah, everything they do is just
<v Speaker 1>kind of like they've just there's rakes in every direction
<v Speaker 1>and they just jump on them and slap their own
<v Speaker 1>faces constantly. I could. I'm caninue to be someone who
<v Speaker 1>really enjoys Star Wars Outlaws. It's another game I want
<v Speaker 1>to go back and spend more time with. I did
<v Speaker 1>just added on Steam, so I will try to see
<v Speaker 1>how it works on Steam Deck, not expecting too much.
<v Speaker 1>I never did the work to get the you play
<v Speaker 1>version working on Steam Deck. I just played that on
<v Speaker 1>the Roger ally. But if I can get that working
<v Speaker 1>in a so so state on the Steam Deck, I
<v Speaker 1>might continue more of it, because again, the battery life
<v Speaker 1>on the Steam Deck is just the way I want
<v Speaker 1>to be playing that game. Yeah. This this problem has
<v Speaker 1>affected Assassin's Creed, Valhalla, Odyssey, Tar Frontiers of Pandora, Star
<v Speaker 1>Wars Outlaws, and Assassin's Creed Origins and nothing else. So
<v Speaker 1>it's just a bunch of recent BBI soft open world
<v Speaker 1>games that's done. It sounds like they're all the same
<v Speaker 1>engine right there, because like Avatar and Star Wars are
<v Speaker 1>the I can't remember the name of the engine, but
<v Speaker 1>the Assassin's Creed games are a different engine. So it's
<v Speaker 1>like some thing that they're sharing that they both happen
<v Speaker 1>to use. That's just weird. But again, Microsoft pausing the update,
<v Speaker 1>going to try to fix it then reissue it. So
<v Speaker 1>hopefully this gets fixed pretty fast. Yeah, somebungus and chat
<v Speaker 1>says it's probably their DM or their DRM. Excuse me. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>Square Enix is worried about oversaturating the games market with
<v Speaker 1>HD two D games. The headline is pretty much the
<v Speaker 1>story here. How does that strike you as something that
<v Speaker 1>could happen, ex am, I I think so. I think
<v Speaker 1>they're like kind of being a little judicious with this effect. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's a smart thing.
<v Speaker 2>I think they should be judicious with it because you
<v Speaker 2>look at something like Star Ocean whatever they called Stars
<v Speaker 2>of the Second Story.
<v Speaker 3>And it's like HD two D remake.
<v Speaker 2>Right. No, but Samo, you're right, it feels like there's
<v Speaker 2>not that many yet, and that's good because I again,
<v Speaker 2>it was like when I played that Star Ocean game,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what Psychopath did this?
<v Speaker 3>In a good way?
<v Speaker 2>Like who took this game and decided to reconfigure all
<v Speaker 2>of the perspective like it's it's so well done. And
<v Speaker 2>the Dragon Quest remake that came out recently is also fabulous.
<v Speaker 2>Same thing where you're like, what psychopath took the time
<v Speaker 2>to do this? And again I mean that in a
<v Speaker 2>totally positive way and.
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, let's get maybe one a year.
<v Speaker 2>Don't go crazy, like you're doing them extremely well, so
<v Speaker 2>just keep doing it the way that you are and
<v Speaker 2>don't oversaturate, and the people will keep coming and you
<v Speaker 2>will keep getting these sort of like almost I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to say sleeper hit, because there's obviously a lot
<v Speaker 2>of popularity, but for me it has mostly been like
<v Speaker 2>word of mouth of other people I know playing them,
<v Speaker 2>being like damn, they like, it's really worth playing this
<v Speaker 2>even if you've played this game before.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. I think and I think that they have found
<v Speaker 1>a good sort of they've taken an editor's eye to
<v Speaker 1>all of what they're doing with HD two D, where
<v Speaker 1>it's like at first they just had all these effects
<v Speaker 1>that made the games look eye popping, and they turn
<v Speaker 1>them all up to ten on all the games. And
<v Speaker 1>I like that because I'm someone who will kind of
<v Speaker 1>do that. When I have like little gizmos to play
<v Speaker 1>within the game that make it look funny, I might
<v Speaker 1>turn it up a lot and just see what it
<v Speaker 1>looks like, and then I'll keep it on because I'm
<v Speaker 1>not I don't have an editor's eye. But I think
<v Speaker 1>by then like going back to this well several times now,
<v Speaker 1>but not like constantly, they'd be like, Okay, let's adjust
<v Speaker 1>things here a little bit, Let's pull back a little
<v Speaker 1>bit and see what let's do what looks the best.
<v Speaker 1>And with Dragon Quest three HD two D, I think
<v Speaker 1>they've really really honed in on that. Oh yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>now it's like, okay, well now it still feels special
<v Speaker 1>but also got but we've still gotten does feel like
<v Speaker 1>we've gotten quite a few of these, and you've made
<v Speaker 1>it look very good. Let's just use it here or
<v Speaker 1>there where. I think it probably probably it's probably like
<v Speaker 1>here is a remake and then here's an original, and
<v Speaker 1>just kind of go back and forth every year or
<v Speaker 1>so with with with on that schedule and on that cadence.
<v Speaker 1>And I think that this can continue to work for
<v Speaker 1>a very long time, and if they were to do
<v Speaker 1>six of these a year, it would very quickly begin
<v Speaker 1>to feel like, oh, exhausting or just like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>a big muck of a soup.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not special, Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I agree that the pace they're going out is perfect.
<v Speaker 2>I think that Square should be concerned about this and
<v Speaker 2>they should behave accordingly because they're doing.
<v Speaker 3>A great job.
<v Speaker 1>Did Dan learn how to add emotes? Is that? What's happening?
<v Speaker 3>Is that I'm just seeing Dan's dog?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Keep coming up.
<v Speaker 1>Here, yeah, becaulet's see. Is that that's his dog? Right? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yes he did? Yes, lay damn Grub said Gizmo and
<v Speaker 1>that's my dog. Yeah, okay, I did say that, so
<v Speaker 1>you better put it in chat. Uh sweet Jpe, says Grub.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it was so bad with that. Oh
<v Speaker 1>my god, Oh no, what has happened here? Oh Grub?
<v Speaker 1>He quote learned how to add emotes last week without
<v Speaker 1>resizing fantastic, you missed emote breaking chat last week? Oh?
<v Speaker 1>Did is that what you meant, Sean when you said
<v Speaker 1>nicking Dan broke chat? I thought you were saying that
<v Speaker 1>in a sort of a way where that was the
<v Speaker 1>lady with the butt she did that magazine cover that
<v Speaker 1>they said was going to break the internet. Uh, Kardashian,
<v Speaker 1>Kim Kardashian, I thought you meant like they did something
<v Speaker 1>like outrageous and it broke the chat.
<v Speaker 2>You mean they literally broke the chat the functionality of chat.
<v Speaker 1>That Mike Manadi emotes too big, guys, is too big? No,
<v Speaker 1>what have you done? I didn't know we can make
<v Speaker 1>them that bit? All right, this is horrible, this is good.
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna try to break the chat again. Sean, just
<v Speaker 1>start just start banning people. Just start banning them. You
<v Speaker 1>do what you gotta do. That that's not big, apparently
<v Speaker 1>compared to what we we had. Okay, I need to
<v Speaker 1>get caught up on what has happened at Giant Bomb.
<v Speaker 1>Naughty big, naughty all right. Microsoft announces edge game is
<v Speaker 1>just a way to bring up guides while playing PC games.
<v Speaker 1>Is from Chris Calling at VGC. Microsoft is announced edge
<v Speaker 1>Game assists a way for players to get tips and
<v Speaker 1>guides while playing PC games. Described as a seamless, full
<v Speaker 1>featured in game browser. Game assist lets players bring up
<v Speaker 1>a spoke versions of the edge browser as part of
<v Speaker 1>the game bar overlay. The browser is game aware, meaning
<v Speaker 1>if the player has a compatible game running the bow,
<v Speaker 1>the browser will automatically suggest tips and guides for that
<v Speaker 1>particular game. And when it comes to this sort of thing,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, if I a button that I was gonna
<v Speaker 1>hit anyway, and this is there and it just works
<v Speaker 1>and I don't have to think about it, there is
<v Speaker 1>chance there's a chance I might use it. I am
<v Speaker 1>never gonna seek this out. I am never I'm never
<v Speaker 1>gonna even gonna think about the fact that it's the
<v Speaker 1>you know, EDGE trademark game assist, where it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>this is going to improve my relationship with Microsoft. Edge
<v Speaker 1>a browser I use, but I just use it because
<v Speaker 1>it's it's there. It's basically Chrome and it's default, and
<v Speaker 1>it hasn't been a problem for me, so I'm okay, yeah, cool, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I always have to make it every like everything has
<v Speaker 1>to be like Games for Windows Live still in a
<v Speaker 1>lot of ways where it's like, here's our new initiative
<v Speaker 1>to improve our relationship with PC gamers. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>just at the feature. Don't don't give it a brand name,
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, look, I.
<v Speaker 3>There are just so many giant minis.
<v Speaker 1>Guys, guys, no, this we can't can't do that, THAT'SAI
<v Speaker 1>that Manati is far too big, and.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah we uh.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, uh but Microsoft Edge and Game Guides, Yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 2>with you if I just can If it's a button,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna press anyway and it's easy to bring up, sure,
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll use it otherwise, like what's the what how
<v Speaker 2>is that any different than me like going to a
<v Speaker 2>guide on another gaming website.
<v Speaker 3>I also just you know, I think a.
<v Speaker 2>Lot of games now are are good at like building
<v Speaker 2>in a system to help you discover things on your own.
<v Speaker 3>I feel that older games.
<v Speaker 2>There was more need for a guide because sometimes you
<v Speaker 2>just get dropped in the middle.
<v Speaker 3>Of the world and be like, what do I do
<v Speaker 3>now where I don't know? Like I'm a I also
<v Speaker 3>like love puzzle solving games, so like I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>figure that out on my own.
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, you know, I said,
<v Speaker 1>if it's there, it's but I'm gonna hit it anyhow,
<v Speaker 1>and it's like I'll use it. But I mean it
<v Speaker 1>does work that way a little bit on PlayStation five,
<v Speaker 1>right where you're the button you hit the button, and
<v Speaker 1>they have like the game tip thing. Maybe I've never
<v Speaker 1>used that, so.
<v Speaker 3>I've never used it either. I'm now that you mentioned it.
<v Speaker 3>I remember it exists, but I've never used it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. You know, maybe this is a
<v Speaker 1>better implement implementation. I doubt it, but maybe it is.
<v Speaker 1>And then maybe that case, I do use it here
<v Speaker 1>and there, and it's very much for like what does
<v Speaker 1>this thing do if I get a new item and
<v Speaker 1>and I hit a button and it tells me all
<v Speaker 1>the like you know, the quick tip, quick and dirty
<v Speaker 1>tips of like how to get the most out of
<v Speaker 1>that item. I could see that being a thing, But
<v Speaker 1>beyond that, I don't know. Like you said, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>want to solve puzzles myself, and I don't feels that way.
<v Speaker 1>All right, last couple of stories here. Switch Black Friday
<v Speaker 1>Bundle Bundle is now Nintendo's best console deal ever, you know,
<v Speaker 1>for the Switch. It's from Robert Anderson at IGN essentially
<v Speaker 1>at a handful of retailers. The Switch o lead is
<v Speaker 1>now two seventy five for the bundle with Mario Kart
<v Speaker 1>eight Deluxe, and the original standard Switch bundle is two
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty five dollars. So that's that's seventy five
<v Speaker 1>dollars off of each and and that like you know,
<v Speaker 1>includes the game, right, so you're already saving money for
<v Speaker 1>the first time. Really because they could. They weren't selling
<v Speaker 1>it for three hundred and fifty or three hundred and
<v Speaker 1>sixty dollars for the standard switch model. They were selling
<v Speaker 1>it for three hundred. So okay, you get Mario cart
<v Speaker 1>eight at no additional cost. Hey, that's nice. Now it's
<v Speaker 1>seventy five additional dollars off. This feels like the price
<v Speaker 1>where this thing really starts moving to people who were
<v Speaker 1>so price sensitive for so long that maybe they maybe
<v Speaker 1>they do have a switch and they've been like looking
<v Speaker 1>for a reason to justify getting an O lead. Maybe
<v Speaker 1>this does move some of them, but I don't know, not.
<v Speaker 2>Me immediately looking up that deal, because I do not
<v Speaker 2>have an O LED yeah switch, and I'm thinking maybe
<v Speaker 2>it's time to get one.
<v Speaker 1>Two seventy five. It's like a number where it's like
<v Speaker 1>I can't okay, that's almost pulse.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, game's complaining to me that his switch
<v Speaker 2>is broken, so maybe I'll just get him an old
<v Speaker 2>leg with Mario gard eate Deluxe.
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Yeah, absolutely, Christmas, oh boy? Yeah. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>So someone just put this in chat. This is Insider
<v Speaker 1>Gaming Mike Starlotte and Nintendo Switch to releasing March twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty five. The rumors claim. This is from the fama
<v Speaker 1>boards gaming forum, which has just been obsessively tracking all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff for years now, but especially in the last
<v Speaker 1>several months, and then Nintendo Switch to release in March
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. That's according to the latest rumors published
<v Speaker 1>by a popular Nintendo deuced channel, Nintendo Prime. All right, well, hey,
<v Speaker 1>no insultant inintindal Prime. He covers all these things not judiciously,
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. I'm still like, yeah, that seems unlikely,
<v Speaker 1>but we'll see. If it's coming out in March. They
<v Speaker 1>got to talk about it soon though, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think we'll probably get on the
<v Speaker 1>other side of March before we get this thing, so
<v Speaker 1>at least in April, but who knows. All right, let's
<v Speaker 1>get back to it. Last, Like I said last couple
<v Speaker 1>of stories, Virtual Fighter five Revo announced for PC. This
<v Speaker 1>is from sal Ramano at Gamatsu. Sega has announced Virtual
<v Speaker 1>Fighter five, which came out like fifteen years ago now
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. But they have you know, made,
<v Speaker 1>remade and remastered this game several times. They are now
<v Speaker 1>taking one of those remastered versions, this revo version, putting
<v Speaker 1>it on Steam and giving it like, you know, another
<v Speaker 1>sprucing up. It'll add rollback net code, fantastic four K
<v Speaker 1>graphics at sixty frames per second. Yeah, that sounds great.
<v Speaker 1>New balance adjustments. Sure, give us all that. I like
<v Speaker 1>Virtual Fighter a whole bunch. I'll play some more Virtual
<v Speaker 1>Fighter five. There were those rumors though, that a new
<v Speaker 1>Virtual Fighter game, and maybe not have rumors. I think
<v Speaker 1>Sega might have kind of like teased it themselves that
<v Speaker 1>a new Virtual Fighter game is coming. I hope that's
<v Speaker 1>still coming, and that this isn't what wasn't mixed signals
<v Speaker 1>and this is what they were talking about. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I have played Virtual Fighter.
<v Speaker 2>I was a tech end kid, but you know, to me,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, Virtual Fighter, it's the other three
<v Speaker 2>D fighting game.
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm yeah right, yeah, I'm playing Virtual Fighter five. Yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 1>After that, that's perfect, that's the way to do it.
<v Speaker 1>And then finally, Christopher Judge on rumored Imminent God of Ward,
<v Speaker 1>God of War announcements, says absolutely not true from ben
<v Speaker 1>Lyon said Game Reactor. Recently, Christopher Judge, perhaps best known
<v Speaker 1>as of late as the man behind Kratos in Sony
<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica Studio's God of War reboot, mentioned that he
<v Speaker 1>would be making announcements in the next couple of weeks,
<v Speaker 1>and this led many into a flurry, thinking that the
<v Speaker 1>actor would reveal something about the future of God of War. However,
<v Speaker 1>this is simply false, and as it stands, Judge is
<v Speaker 1>just as in the dark about the future of the
<v Speaker 1>popular series as we are at the moment. Essentially, I
<v Speaker 1>think he tweeted that he's like, this has nothing to
<v Speaker 1>do with God of War. You can't. I can't tease
<v Speaker 1>something that even I don't know about. I am waiting
<v Speaker 1>for news about this game like the rest of you are.
<v Speaker 1>That's basically what he tweeted. So he yea waited it.
<v Speaker 2>But it was a twenty five tweet long thread where
<v Speaker 2>he got into the philosophy about the state of the
<v Speaker 2>industry and the psychology behind the character of Creato.
<v Speaker 1>Music began playing them off. Yeah exactly, yeah, absolutely, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>I think that they will make another God of War.
<v Speaker 1>I think they will bring Christopher Judge back to voice Creatos.
<v Speaker 1>There's always, you know, the chance that the next one
<v Speaker 1>could even be like an expand alone that focuses on
<v Speaker 1>the kid, the boy I can't remember his name, Yeah, Treas,
<v Speaker 1>thank you, And so they might deemphasize Creatos's character a
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But I bet even in that case, he
<v Speaker 1>would still be there, be around, be a voice. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>something will happen there. I don't think it's like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't think we're rushing towards the release of a new
<v Speaker 1>entry in the God of War franchise within the next
<v Speaker 1>year or anything like that, right, No, yeah, no, absolutely not.
<v Speaker 1>They If they do do that, it will be some time,
<v Speaker 1>and they have a lot of other stuff they would
<v Speaker 1>put out first. I think, yeah, all right, all right,
<v Speaker 1>that does it for the headlines. I have a poll
<v Speaker 1>question from many moons ago that I will get set
<v Speaker 1>up here. Well, I do that though, Emma Fife, why
<v Speaker 1>don't you tell people where they could find you on
<v Speaker 1>the internet what you have going on? All that good stuff?
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, this God of War talk just made
<v Speaker 2>me think of a project that I did for the
<v Speaker 2>FDA a few years ago, where we had teenagers.
<v Speaker 3>React to video game spoilers.
<v Speaker 2>And one of the kids who we had was he'd
<v Speaker 2>already played God of War, and God of War was
<v Speaker 2>one of the games that we were doing.
<v Speaker 3>And he had this great quote about God of.
<v Speaker 2>War basically being a heartwarming father sontail like a Lifetime movie,
<v Speaker 2>and my editor made a title screen for Lifetime Presents
<v Speaker 2>God of War and it was hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>So I will have to find a.
<v Speaker 2>Link to that video so y'all can see it's it's great.
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to the wonderful Randy who edits a lot
<v Speaker 2>of our stuff.
<v Speaker 3>He's fantastic. Yeah, what do I have going on? Well, guys,
<v Speaker 3>I'm all up on Blue Sky now, okay, blue Sky rules.
<v Speaker 2>It's I'm having a fun time, which so I'm trying
<v Speaker 2>to get it to I'm doing the thing where I'm
<v Speaker 2>trying to change the So it's at mmafif dot com
<v Speaker 2>because I do own that domain name.
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, and then look, I'm working on a lot
<v Speaker 3>of stuff for the Game Awards.
<v Speaker 2>This year, so please please please tune into our very
<v Speaker 2>cool stream that will be happening for the exact two
<v Speaker 2>hours before the Game Awards on Thursday, December twelfth, that's
<v Speaker 2>two thirty to four to thirty pm Pacific time. We
<v Speaker 2>will be on site at LA Live. It's going to
<v Speaker 2>be amazing. I have a lot great guestbook. If you
<v Speaker 2>watched Voicemail Dump Truck you last week, you heard me
<v Speaker 2>listen off. Square Enix is basically like Final Fantasy seven rebirth.
<v Speaker 2>You want everybody that worked on the game here you go.
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, it's gonna be awesome. I'm very excited. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and then like that's yeah.
<v Speaker 2>If you're bopping around fandom websites, you might see me
<v Speaker 2>interviewing Michelle Yo and Jeff Goldbloom for Wicked. I've seen
<v Speaker 2>Wicked three times, so yeah, fine, find me in the
<v Speaker 2>movie theater again watching Wicked for a fourth time.
<v Speaker 1>People seem to really be happy with it. Wick. It's good,
<v Speaker 1>so good, Okay, I'm gonna check it. I think it
<v Speaker 1>looks very fun. Wait, so I come back. We could
<v Speaker 1>talk about this. We're doing something before the Game Awards.
<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, Yeah, that's yeah, we can talk about it.
<v Speaker 3>We announced it on Wednesday last week.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, fantastic. Yeah, everybody, we're gonna be helping out
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. You'll see us on there at least
<v Speaker 1>me and Dan, maybe a few others. It'll be it'll
<v Speaker 1>be a good time. I think I will already be
<v Speaker 1>done with GB at night, so I'll be like a whatever,
<v Speaker 1>this is everyone else's problem now, and I'll just be
<v Speaker 1>like show up in goof Off. But it'll be a
<v Speaker 1>good time, everybody. So all the stars will indeed be here.
<v Speaker 3>All right, all the stars.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here. Pull question from says nine days ago,
<v Speaker 1>which game are you most looking forward to in February,
<v Speaker 1>Civilization seven, Assassin's Creed Shadows avowed or Monster Hunter Wilds.
<v Speaker 1>Monster Hunter Wilds was the number one response, with thirty
<v Speaker 1>four percent of the respondents voting for that. Excuse me
<v Speaker 1>then avowed at thirty one percent, eighteen percent for Assassin's
<v Speaker 1>Creed Shadows, and seventeen percent for Civilization seven. I think
<v Speaker 1>that's always interesting because there is a strong chance that
<v Speaker 1>Civilization seven out sells all of those in the on
<v Speaker 1>the grand scale of time, because those games just continue
<v Speaker 1>to sell and continue to have more players than just
<v Speaker 1>about any other game concurrently on Steam. So we'll see.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, hey, I voted for Civilizations Evan, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to all these games. Actually, I want to
<v Speaker 1>try to fit them all in. Maybe not in February,
<v Speaker 1>but i'll dourly again.
<v Speaker 3>We were talking about the Ubisoft Curse. I'm actually intrigued
<v Speaker 3>by Assassin's Creed Chef.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I absolutely am.
<v Speaker 2>The two characters have completely different gameplay, which I think
<v Speaker 2>is really cool.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, anyway, yepus they keep making more old people
<v Speaker 1>to play SIEV. Yeah, there's new old people every day.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's new old people every day.
<v Speaker 1>That's how it works. That's just linding your time, everybody.
<v Speaker 1>All right, new poll question would I write down here? Yeah? Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Does a new PSP need to be able to play
<v Speaker 1>all PS five games? Natively? Yes? No, but it needs
<v Speaker 1>to support most No, I'm okay if it's a completely
<v Speaker 1>separate library. I know it's not exactly the story that
<v Speaker 1>they were talking about there, but I'm just curious to
<v Speaker 1>see what people think about this, if you want separate
<v Speaker 1>games made for this device, or if it's just a
<v Speaker 1>portable PS five if that's what you want. So yeah,
<v Speaker 1>we'll get the responses to that. We'll talk about it
<v Speaker 1>on Game mess Morning's here on Giant Bomb to not
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow Tomorrow's Tuesday, there will be the BombCast on Wednesday,
<v Speaker 1>which will be the last episode this week. Because American
<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving begins on Thursday. We're taking Friday off, so long weekend, everybody,
<v Speaker 1>short week. But I'm glad I was able to get
<v Speaker 1>back and do this episode. Speaking of Giant Bomb, we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna figure out what else we're gonna do this week.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm gonna go tell. I think it
<v Speaker 1>should be all day sean other than anything else we do,
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see if he's got time for that. Who knows.
<v Speaker 1>He's probably gonna be busy. And is Jan back? I
<v Speaker 1>think Jan's not back yet, right, Jan still out? I
<v Speaker 1>think Jan.
<v Speaker 2>I know he returned from the wilds, but I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if he's like back at work.
<v Speaker 1>Back right, He's probably got He probably has to sleep
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, so ye see if he's back and
<v Speaker 1>ready to get into things as well. Looking forward to
<v Speaker 1>talking to everybody from Giant Bomb. I'm glad I was
<v Speaker 1>able to talk to you, Emma. Thank you so much
<v Speaker 1>for hanging out with me today and talking about video games.
<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate that of course, anytime, ma'am.
<v Speaker 1>And thank you. Okay, check slack. Jan has something today, fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for watching and listening. You are the
<v Speaker 1>best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one,
<v Speaker 1>take care of yourself and thank you for all of
<v Speaker 1>the big Mike Manatis