WILL A BIGFOOT ENCOUNTER HAVE A BIG IMPACT ON MY LIFE? | COPING WITH CRYPTIDS AND THE PARANORMAL

<v Speaker 1>All right, Rebecca, welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you
<v Speaker 1>doing today?
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, I'm doing well.
<v Speaker 1>Good. Good to hear, and it's a pleasure to have
<v Speaker 1>you on the show again and to be speaking with
<v Speaker 1>you about my encounters and experiences.
<v Speaker 3>Today.
<v Speaker 1>We're just going to run through some of the encounters
<v Speaker 1>and experiences that I went through throughout the years here
<v Speaker 1>in Missouri, and you can kind of give me your
<v Speaker 1>two cents on it and possibly help other people cope
<v Speaker 1>with these types of encounters.
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, let's do it.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So basically I got into the subject and I
<v Speaker 1>was listening to like Sasquatch Chronicles, watching the show Finding Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>and part of me wanting to believe because there was
<v Speaker 1>sincere people on those podcasts and on those videos, and
<v Speaker 1>you'd hear about states like Missouri, and it'd make you wonder,
<v Speaker 1>like are these creatures actually around? And then you'd believe
<v Speaker 1>it when you're watching it or listening to the podcast
<v Speaker 1>because you can feel the fear and their voice. People
<v Speaker 1>are crying, they're like you said in the last episode,
<v Speaker 1>you can tell there's like some form of like PTSD,
<v Speaker 1>like they're reliving it. But then once the show would end,
<v Speaker 1>I'd go back to regular life for you know, work
<v Speaker 1>and the family, and then I'd be like, eh, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I believe that because reality sets in.
<v Speaker 1>But I had experiences throughout the years. And one time
<v Speaker 1>I was hunting. I had this black chair out in
<v Speaker 1>the woods and I was rifle hunting for white tailed deer,
<v Speaker 1>and that evening I went back home and the next
<v Speaker 1>morning I came back to that spot and there's this
<v Speaker 1>cedar tree right next to that chair, and about I
<v Speaker 1>would say seven to nine foot up that sear tree
<v Speaker 1>was snapped and it was fresh, like whenever you see
<v Speaker 1>like a fresh seater broken, you can tell that it
<v Speaker 1>was recently done. And at the top of that seater
<v Speaker 1>was sitting right next to the chair, like right next
<v Speaker 1>to it. And I kind of joked myself and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, Bigfoot did it. But I mean it just
<v Speaker 1>really confused me because there was no wind that night.
<v Speaker 1>It was just a dead still night. So I'm thinking
<v Speaker 1>in my mind, like, man, was this thing like struck
<v Speaker 1>by lightning? No, there wasn't a storm. How could this
<v Speaker 1>thing just break? But I went on with life like
<v Speaker 1>there's no answer to that. And I don't know It
<v Speaker 1>was years later, probably my mid twenties. Me and the
<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend were camping at the river and we were
<v Speaker 1>talking about the show Finding Bigfoot, because we'd been watching
<v Speaker 1>it every day after we get off work, and at work,
<v Speaker 1>I was an engineer assistant in an office and I'd
<v Speaker 1>sit there and listen to Sasquatch chronicles all day whenever
<v Speaker 1>I was running reports for other companies. But we were
<v Speaker 1>talking about Finding Bigfoot. We were camping on the river.
<v Speaker 1>It's probably around July in the summertime, and I did
<v Speaker 1>a whoop call that I heard on finding big Foot.
<v Speaker 1>And then I had this metal baseball bat in my
<v Speaker 1>Mercury Mountaineer, so I went and got it out, and
<v Speaker 1>I did a wood knock on a large maple tree
<v Speaker 1>that was growing along the river, and I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it was probably like thirty minutes after that. Again there's
<v Speaker 1>no wind, and this huge tree went down across the river.
<v Speaker 1>I mean you could hear it cracking, snapping, and whenever
<v Speaker 1>it hit the ground it was just like boom. I
<v Speaker 1>mean it big tree. It almost reminded me like Jurassic
<v Speaker 1>Park three when the t Rex is fighting. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it's called. The spinosaurus and they're going at
<v Speaker 1>it and it breaks its neck and whenever it slams
<v Speaker 1>it on the ground, that boom. That's how it was like.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, our eyes just kind of got big,
<v Speaker 1>and we looked at each other and just kind of
<v Speaker 1>shrugged our shoulders, like what was that.
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of weird. No wind, random tree falls.
<v Speaker 1>We were not thinking Bigfoot, and then about I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Later on that night, all the floaters that were on
<v Speaker 1>the river, people were like partying, listening to music, drinking beer,
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people from Saint Louis down to
<v Speaker 1>the country here where I lived to float and it's
<v Speaker 1>kind of a tourist area. But once the sun starts
<v Speaker 1>going down, the river just gets dead quiet because people
<v Speaker 1>clear the rivers, you know, they get back to the resorts.
<v Speaker 3>You don't want to be.
<v Speaker 1>Out there at nighttime. Just kind of nasty. But we
<v Speaker 1>were cooking food, some hot dogs and burgers, and we
<v Speaker 1>were sitting there talking about that tree. That felt like
<v Speaker 1>that was pretty random, you know, like we did these calls,
<v Speaker 1>these wood knocks, and a big tree slammed down well
<v Speaker 1>as we were talking about it on our side of
<v Speaker 1>the river, behind us, something screamed. I mean it was
<v Speaker 1>just guttural loud. I don't know how to describe it,
<v Speaker 1>but it was like a monster mixed with like a
<v Speaker 1>woman screaming. I mean, you could tell the sound was
<v Speaker 1>probably about nine feet off the ground behind us. It's
<v Speaker 1>super flat for about two hundred yards and then it
<v Speaker 1>goes up to this bluff. But you could tell it
<v Speaker 1>was like right there on us. And she was instantly panicking,
<v Speaker 1>like grab your gun, Grab your gun. I had a
<v Speaker 1>glock nineteen so next to me, and I was in disbelief.
<v Speaker 1>Like I looked at her and I had like this
<v Speaker 1>smirk on my face, like the Grinch how he slowly
<v Speaker 1>like smiles Like it was like that, because in that moment,
<v Speaker 1>I realized, like, holy crap, these things exist, and she's
<v Speaker 1>saying grab your gun, grab your gun. And I didn't
<v Speaker 1>grab the gun because I felt like whatever that was,
<v Speaker 1>would it came in and tore me apart. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>that's it was just a feeling that I got like
<v Speaker 1>if you do that, something bad's gonna happen. And the
<v Speaker 1>weird thing is is like we went to bed in
<v Speaker 1>the tent and nothing happened that night or at least
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if anything happened, because I fell asleep
<v Speaker 1>and I slept through the entire night, and I think
<v Speaker 1>she did too, But I don't know after that ended,
<v Speaker 1>like how I told you, with finding bigfoot Sasquatch chronicles,
<v Speaker 1>like I would believe and then I'd go back to reality.
<v Speaker 1>Like my brain was just like, oh my god, it
<v Speaker 1>could be bigfoot. But then once it ended, your brain
<v Speaker 1>is like left wondering, like maybe it was a mountain lion, right,
<v Speaker 1>That's what I thought, Like maybe a mountain lion climbed
<v Speaker 1>up into a tree and just like screamed at us.
<v Speaker 1>But it was so loud, I mean, it sounded prehistoric.
<v Speaker 2>Did you, like, how old were you at the time.
<v Speaker 1>I was probably like twenty four years old, twenty five, okay,
<v Speaker 1>somewhere around there.
<v Speaker 2>And so after that happened, I'm always curious when people say,
<v Speaker 2>then I went to sleep in my tent, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't understand how you go to sleep after something like that.
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me what was going on in your head?
<v Speaker 2>How you were able to just put that aside go
<v Speaker 2>into your tent.
<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, I was scared to death, but all my
<v Speaker 1>stuff was there. We were there to camp, and my
<v Speaker 1>brain went from instant shock to confusion, and it's like
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing else you can do. I mean, sure, I
<v Speaker 1>was trying to stay cool and maybe experience more by
<v Speaker 1>just saying like, let's go in the tent and just
<v Speaker 1>go to bed. Everything's good, but really, in my mind like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck is this? There's more curiosity and fear
<v Speaker 1>next into one. Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if sometimes it's it is that shock and
<v Speaker 2>then confusion, and it's so exhausting for your body to
<v Speaker 2>process all that. That's why you can sleep. Some people
<v Speaker 2>can turn off that fight or flight and it's almost
<v Speaker 2>like that adrenaline dump, extreme adrenaline, and then you come
<v Speaker 2>down off of that and you're just so exhausted that
<v Speaker 2>you're able to sleep. That's the only way I can
<v Speaker 2>explain it, because I try to think if I went
<v Speaker 2>through that that kind of experience, I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>I could put it aside and just fall asleep.
<v Speaker 1>But wow, Bigfoot doesn't exist in my mind at this point,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm just like.
<v Speaker 2>Right, you're rational mind still tries to explain something that's
<v Speaker 2>not explainable. So when you heard it, is that a
<v Speaker 2>sound that you had some kind of concept of how
<v Speaker 2>to categorize it, or it was so unlike anything you'd
<v Speaker 2>ever heard you just have no idea.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 1>My brain didn't have a place to file that, and
<v Speaker 1>there's just nothing there, I mean in my in my mind,
<v Speaker 1>like what is this? Never heard it before?
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to make assumptions and just jump to conclusions.
<v Speaker 1>So I was trying to be irrational as well, and
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people are. I mean there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people that don't do that. They're like
<v Speaker 1>they hear now and they're like that's bigfoot, or they
<v Speaker 1>take like a blurry photo and they're like, look at it.
<v Speaker 1>There's like twenty of them right there. But in this case,
<v Speaker 1>I'm really into wild wildlife hunting and just the outdoors,
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like, Okay, this is something new. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know everything there is to know, even though I
<v Speaker 1>know there's mountain lions out there, owls, coyotes, could have
<v Speaker 1>been anything.
<v Speaker 2>Did you search for that after you went home? Did
<v Speaker 2>you search for that sound or what does a mountain
<v Speaker 2>lion sound like? Or how did you come to realize
<v Speaker 2>later that that was what it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was probably a few years later till I really
<v Speaker 1>realized what it was. And after that experience, I lived
<v Speaker 1>probably five minutes from there, closer to town, and this
<v Speaker 1>was my friend's property. But curiosity got the best of me,
<v Speaker 1>and I kept doing that call even where I lived,
<v Speaker 1>Like I would stand on the back deck and do
<v Speaker 1>that whoop call and just allowed whoop. And one day
<v Speaker 1>after I got off work, I was taking out the
<v Speaker 1>trash and I was standing on the back deck and
<v Speaker 1>I did that whoop call and it was almost dark time.
<v Speaker 1>When I kid you not, something came through the woods.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was zigzagging. It sounded like a bulldozer
<v Speaker 1>was going through the woods. And I always describe it
<v Speaker 1>as someone like leaving like I don't know, like a
<v Speaker 1>little Ford Ranger S ten pickup truck and neutral and
<v Speaker 1>just letting it roll down the hill through the woods.
<v Speaker 1>And it was just coming at me. And I go
<v Speaker 1>inside and I grabbed my axe. I'm like, hey, hey,
<v Speaker 1>something's out there, come here, come here, and she comes,
<v Speaker 1>she hears it. We're both just staying in there, like
<v Speaker 1>what the heck is this? And this thing's going through
<v Speaker 1>the woods and it just stops right at the edge
<v Speaker 1>of the woodline, it's almost dark and everything just gets quiet.
<v Speaker 1>Nothing happens after that. But the events that unfolded after
<v Speaker 1>that were pretty strange. There was a lot of paranormal activity.
<v Speaker 1>Things tapping on the window, most like it happened like
<v Speaker 1>three or four times throughout the year, and just terrifying
<v Speaker 1>things like we'd hear like a baby, like an infant
<v Speaker 1>baby crying in the house, gasping for air, like as
<v Speaker 1>if like the mother abandoned it. And we're honestly like
<v Speaker 1>looking under the bed, like looking in every room, like
<v Speaker 1>there's a baby here, like you can hear it clear
<v Speaker 1>as day, just the baby crying, gasping for air, wanting
<v Speaker 1>its mother. And I even looked on the front porch
<v Speaker 1>because it was snowing. I was like, maybe somebody like
<v Speaker 1>left a baby on the porch. It's sad to think that,
<v Speaker 1>but people people do that type of stuff. And I
<v Speaker 1>looked there was nothing there, And after we got done searching,
<v Speaker 1>we were both just confused.
<v Speaker 3>And this is a creepy part.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't tell her this when it happened, but I
<v Speaker 1>looked out the window and I swear there was like
<v Speaker 1>a lady in a white dress like it looked like
<v Speaker 1>an older lady just walking on the side of the highway,
<v Speaker 1>like on the road and it's snowing outside, it's almost dark,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, she asked, do you see anything? And
<v Speaker 1>I closed the window. I said, no, I don't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to tell her because I didn't want
<v Speaker 1>her to freak out. Yeah, but there was a lot
<v Speaker 1>of strange stuff, like we'd hear voices and stuff. And
<v Speaker 1>I just think that my curiosity of the paranormal caused
<v Speaker 1>it to happen, because I got in this rut where
<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to know, is their life after death?
<v Speaker 1>Our ghosts really real? And I started watching a lot
<v Speaker 1>of paranormal shows just every day and I got really
<v Speaker 1>into it. But I feel like that opened up a
<v Speaker 1>doorway because whenever I'd be watching the shows, stuff would happen.
<v Speaker 1>It's like I'm watching it right there, and it's happening
<v Speaker 1>right here.
<v Speaker 3>Like that's weird, that's not a coincidence.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So well, last time we talked about that experience you
<v Speaker 2>had when you were a teenager about fifteen, and you
<v Speaker 2>had watched the Exorcist movie and you saw a dark
<v Speaker 2>figure like a mannequin coming out of a hole. Was
<v Speaker 2>that your first paranormal experience or what can you remember
<v Speaker 2>as far back that you might even suspect was your
<v Speaker 2>first experience with the paranormal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was my first paranormal experience. I think, like
<v Speaker 1>a big, big one that happened. But yeah, whenever I
<v Speaker 1>was in Mexico that was strange because I was watching
<v Speaker 1>Theism of Emily Rose. The power went out and that
<v Speaker 1>thing like manifested. But I feel like it sucked the
<v Speaker 1>energy out of the house because I thought back on
<v Speaker 1>it after doing paranormal research and like, that's what researchers say,
<v Speaker 1>that they need energy to manifest. So I thought back
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, that's weird. The power went out
<v Speaker 1>whenever that happened. But yeah, I stood face to face
<v Speaker 1>with this thing and it was like three d ink black,
<v Speaker 1>like no face, and it was like a mannequin or
<v Speaker 1>like the silver Surfer it was. It was scary, for sure,
<v Speaker 1>but I shrugged it off, and I ever since that day,
<v Speaker 1>I've struggled with like my mental health as far as
<v Speaker 1>like having anxiety and fear doubt things like that.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that was an experience that changed you pretty
<v Speaker 2>significantly mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's been hard to shut that off. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's just because I experienced things that
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't exist, or maybe I opened up a doorway and
<v Speaker 1>something latched onto me.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>So there is that, but the experience has continued. At
<v Speaker 1>that place. There was like we we definitely seen orbs.
<v Speaker 1>Like one time I was looking at a star and
<v Speaker 1>it was like bright orange and I was like, man,
<v Speaker 1>that's got to be a planet because it's way bigger
<v Speaker 1>than the other ones. And the best way I described
<v Speaker 1>this is like in those movies that guy's pulling the
<v Speaker 1>moon towards him, and it was like that, like it
<v Speaker 1>came towards me and it turned like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>it got really big and it was like the size
<v Speaker 1>of like I don't know, like a volleyball or a
<v Speaker 1>beach ball, and it was big an orange. And then
<v Speaker 1>it started floating around to the front of the house.
<v Speaker 1>And we are close to this. I tell her come
<v Speaker 1>out here.
<v Speaker 3>She sees it. She's staying out there with me.
<v Speaker 1>We go from the side of the house to the
<v Speaker 1>front of the house because this thing moved to the
<v Speaker 1>front and then it was like I don't know, turning
<v Speaker 1>different colors. Then it started like radiating, kind of like
<v Speaker 1>a sorry, kind of like an ambulance or like a
<v Speaker 1>disco ball, Like it was changing colors. And we both
<v Speaker 1>watched this thing shoot off at a ninety degree and
<v Speaker 1>like like it looked like it got sucked up into space,
<v Speaker 1>like through a vacuum cleaner. Like you could see this
<v Speaker 1>thing just boom gone like a bullet. Yeah, that was creepy.
<v Speaker 2>Did you at the time, did you know what it was?
<v Speaker 2>Or were you also just as confused?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was just as confused, but I knew without
<v Speaker 1>a doubt that I had just seen a UFO. But
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's what it was, like, maybe
<v Speaker 1>it was like these orbs that people are seeing in
<v Speaker 1>the woods. Maybe it was a craft, some type of
<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence. I have no idea, but it definitely happened.
<v Speaker 1>So we end up breaking up. My life kind of
<v Speaker 1>goes to crap. I lose my job due to like
<v Speaker 1>my mental health and just trying to take care of myself,
<v Speaker 1>and I ended up moving back to where I used
<v Speaker 1>to live out in the woods, out in the country,
<v Speaker 1>and I started working at a different place and meat
<v Speaker 1>processing plant and I'm trying to get into hunting just
<v Speaker 1>to keep myself busy. I'm trying to learn about public land.
<v Speaker 1>And the owner of the new job site that I'm
<v Speaker 1>working at we were talking about deer hunting and I
<v Speaker 1>asked him, Hey, do you know any good public land
<v Speaker 1>areas that I can go to to bow hunt?
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, hey, if you go to this.
<v Speaker 1>Area behind Merrimack Springs, it's covered in deer. Like if
<v Speaker 1>you go there and you don't see thirty deer or
<v Speaker 1>something wrong. So I was like, ooh, I want to
<v Speaker 1>go there. So he rides down the directions on a
<v Speaker 1>napkin and he's telling me. He's like, you know where
<v Speaker 1>this road is? You know where this is? And I'm
<v Speaker 1>just like, I have no idea, but I'm just like
<v Speaker 1>trying to I'm trying to figure it out.
<v Speaker 3>So I was like, I'll figure it out.
<v Speaker 1>I know the main highway and he gave me the
<v Speaker 1>road name, so I'll find it. So I ended up
<v Speaker 1>going out there and I actually found the place. I
<v Speaker 1>went out there after work. It was September fourteenth, twenty eighteen.
<v Speaker 1>The reason I remember that is because it was the
<v Speaker 1>day before opening bo season here in Missouri, and I
<v Speaker 1>went there to scout an area so I can set
<v Speaker 1>up my stand and deer hunt a good area. But
<v Speaker 1>I got there and there's no houses on this road.
<v Speaker 1>It's at the very back of the conservation area, and
<v Speaker 1>it's like a red ribbon trout fishing area, so it's
<v Speaker 1>a really pristine forest. And I get all the way
<v Speaker 1>to the dead end road and I park my Mustang,
<v Speaker 1>I open up the door, I get out, and I
<v Speaker 1>walk to the edge of this cliff and down below
<v Speaker 1>I can see the Merrimack River. Like it's a huge cliff.
<v Speaker 1>You can see the entire conservation area, and it was
<v Speaker 1>just a really cool view. And I'm like, how the
<v Speaker 1>heck am I going to get down that cliff, cross
<v Speaker 1>that river with my bow and all my gear and
<v Speaker 1>effectively hunt. So I'm just sitting there thinking, and I
<v Speaker 1>walk back to my vehicle and then I see this
<v Speaker 1>red or not red, this jet black creature scurry on
<v Speaker 1>all fours, and I'm like, what the heck is that?
<v Speaker 1>Is that a hog? Is that a black bear? Or
<v Speaker 1>is that like a group of turkeys moving together? Because
<v Speaker 1>in September there's still leaves on the trees. They haven't
<v Speaker 1>quite fallen yet and it was pretty thick. But this
<v Speaker 1>thing was like right off the parking lot, and I
<v Speaker 1>watched it scurry through the woods. It stands up and
<v Speaker 1>then slowly hides behind a big oak tree. So when
<v Speaker 1>I saw it hide, all I saw was like this
<v Speaker 1>part of its body it like hiding slow motion like that.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm staring at it, and I'm like, what the
<v Speaker 1>heck was that? That must be like an intelligent black
<v Speaker 1>bear to know to hide behind a tree like that
<v Speaker 1>in super slow motion. And I just stared at that
<v Speaker 1>tree and nothing ever popped out, So I was just
<v Speaker 1>scratching my head, like what the heck was that. I
<v Speaker 1>went there the next day to bow hunt in the morning,
<v Speaker 1>and I just sat there in my car. It was dark.
<v Speaker 1>I could see the sun starting to come up and
<v Speaker 1>it was like an orange color, and I got this
<v Speaker 1>really bad feeling like a guy, Well, don't go in there,
<v Speaker 1>just don't go in there. And I didn't hunt that morning.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, I spent all that time scouting.
<v Speaker 1>I drove all the way out here and I didn't
<v Speaker 1>even hunt. But I got the feeling like, man, if
<v Speaker 1>there's a black bear in there, I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>be walking through the dark down a cliff, crossing the
<v Speaker 1>river and going to the most remote part of this
<v Speaker 1>conservation area because like you're accessing the back where people
<v Speaker 1>can't get into it, Like you either have to have
<v Speaker 1>a boat or go down that cliff. And yeah, after
<v Speaker 1>I saw that black creature, I didn't want to go
<v Speaker 1>in there. I was like, yeah, I screw that. Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've heard that a lot, where you just have
<v Speaker 2>to trust those instincts. If something doesn't feel right, don't
<v Speaker 2>push through it. It's your intuition or maybe even your
<v Speaker 2>spiritual nature telling you this isn't good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. I talked to Catholic priest not too long ago,
<v Speaker 1>and he said, Miguel, your mind's gonna speak to you,
<v Speaker 1>and your heart's gonna speak to you, and they're going
<v Speaker 1>to communicate with each other, and you're gonna get really confused.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, but when your gut speaks to you, listen
<v Speaker 1>to it. He's like, your gut will never lie to you.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>I agree with that.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, And that that intuition that is God given
<v Speaker 2>and I and very likely the more closely connected you
<v Speaker 2>are to the spirit, the spirit leads you and you
<v Speaker 2>can discern what the spirit wants you to do and
<v Speaker 2>probably keeps you safe in those situations because you are
<v Speaker 2>on the same level.
<v Speaker 1>Forgot you through you Absolutely, as long as you pray
<v Speaker 1>every day and you're not living like a reckless life,
<v Speaker 1>I think that you'll have that intuition to be able
<v Speaker 1>to discern like a good situation between a bad situation. Regardless,
<v Speaker 1>we still get ourselves in a bad situation, but we
<v Speaker 1>knew that something was wrong from the beginning. So about
<v Speaker 1>a year, yeah, it was about exactly a year or
<v Speaker 1>almost a year after that encounter, I wonder to myself,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck was that? And then here where I'm
<v Speaker 1>living at I started having experiences. There was a time
<v Speaker 1>whenever I went up the driveway, okay, let me go back.
<v Speaker 1>I was I went into town and I was coming
<v Speaker 1>back and I stopped at the top of the driveway
<v Speaker 1>to check my trail camera because I was like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>I'm already here, might as well check the trail camera
<v Speaker 1>so I don't have to come all the way back up.
<v Speaker 1>And I checked the trail camera, switch the SD cards,
<v Speaker 1>walk back to my vehicle, and this is a forested
<v Speaker 1>driveway and I'm standing in front of my car, and
<v Speaker 1>I hear this whistle to my left, just a loud,
<v Speaker 1>sharp whistle, real loud. I'm like, oh man, someone's there,
<v Speaker 1>like someone's coming towards me, and I look, there's no one.
<v Speaker 1>In about three seconds after that, there's a whistle right
<v Speaker 1>in front of me, real loud whistle. And then I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>what the heck is this. I'm looking in the woods.
<v Speaker 1>I can't see because it's summertime. And then to my right,
<v Speaker 1>I hear another whistle, real loud, and everything goes quiet,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like I'm being watched, Like there is
<v Speaker 1>someone in the woods. People are watching me right now.
<v Speaker 1>Who the heck could it be. My instinct was telling
<v Speaker 1>me that there's trespassers or crackheads because out in the country,
<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of meth heads and stuff. I
<v Speaker 1>hate to say that, but there just is. It's a
<v Speaker 1>sad world we live in. But that's what I thought
<v Speaker 1>it was. And then curiosity got the best of me.
<v Speaker 1>I went home. I sat there and I thought, and
<v Speaker 1>I thought about it, like, what the heck someone is
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. So I went back up the driveway
<v Speaker 1>and I stood right there in that spot where the
<v Speaker 1>whistles happened, and there's these two orange orbs floating through
<v Speaker 1>the woods, and I mean, I'm like, I would say,
<v Speaker 1>like forty feet from it, and I'm watching them move
<v Speaker 1>through the woods, and again I got that gut feeling
<v Speaker 1>like do not go near that. And the only thing
<v Speaker 1>I could think that it was in the moment was
<v Speaker 1>two people carrying lanterns walking through the woods, or someone
<v Speaker 1>with their cell phones, like people were walking with their
<v Speaker 1>cell phones lit up. And then I don't know. Later
<v Speaker 1>on after that, I was doing Bigfoot research because part
<v Speaker 1>of me thought it might have been bigfoot. The whistles
<v Speaker 1>were strange, and I came across the documentary of a
<v Speaker 1>lady in the Himalayan Mountains and she said that she
<v Speaker 1>heard or she had like this bigfoot encounter. She passed
<v Speaker 1>out whenever she woke up, like the thing whistled at her,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, man, these things whistle, so like
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm still wondering, like is this real?
<v Speaker 1>Is this actually happening? Like no, Bigfoot doesn't exist, my girl,
<v Speaker 1>Like you're just overthinking it and diving into weird conspiracies,
<v Speaker 1>like there's got to be a rational explanation to all this,
<v Speaker 1>but the strangeness continued on the property. I was finding
<v Speaker 1>like structures, finding feathers in the middle of the road,
<v Speaker 1>and weird little occurrences that I couldn't really contribute to
<v Speaker 1>anything but excuse me. It was probably in June. This
<v Speaker 1>was twenty nineteen. I went out that day to look
<v Speaker 1>for Chantrell mushrooms and uh, they were growing all over
<v Speaker 1>the property. So I went through the woods and I
<v Speaker 1>was collecting them. I had like this camouflage backpack, and
<v Speaker 1>I went all the way through the woods and I
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, Man, if these things are growing all around
<v Speaker 1>the property, if I go into the deep woods, I'm
<v Speaker 1>gonna find like a bunch of them. So I went
<v Speaker 1>deep into the woods and to my amazement, like her,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like when I went deep in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>there weren't very many mushrooms. So I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>guess these things are growing like right around the house.
<v Speaker 1>The house is surrounded by woods. And I ended up
<v Speaker 1>coming back towards the house and I collected as many
<v Speaker 1>mushrooms as possible.
<v Speaker 3>So as I was walking.
<v Speaker 1>Back to my house, going down the forested driveway, and
<v Speaker 1>I can start to see my car the parking lot
<v Speaker 1>barely through the trees, and as I'm getting closer, I
<v Speaker 1>hear just like a slight I don't know, it sound
<v Speaker 1>like a squirrels, like messing around on the forest floor,
<v Speaker 1>like a.
<v Speaker 3>Robin that hopped on the floor.
<v Speaker 1>And I looked and I didn't see anything, because at
<v Speaker 1>this point, like anything's getting my attention. I'm like really
<v Speaker 1>looking because I think there's like people out there. I
<v Speaker 1>take a few more steps and what I because I
<v Speaker 1>thought I saw a stump, like a black stump whenever
<v Speaker 1>I heard that noise, And I'm like, no, that's just
<v Speaker 1>a stump. So I took a few more steps and
<v Speaker 1>I hear that noise again, and I look over and
<v Speaker 1>this creature just like stands up and he just like
<v Speaker 1>walks off, just like the Patterson Gimblin footage, except this
<v Speaker 1>thing was jet black, about seven anywhere from six to
<v Speaker 1>eight feet tall, I can't say for sure, but he
<v Speaker 1>had a round head, black almond shaped eyes, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>jet black like a shark or like a I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like a bull or something. And he looked very ape
<v Speaker 1>like but also very human like. He had a flat nose,
<v Speaker 1>like a really flat face, big brow ridge and big
<v Speaker 1>white shoulders. He was jet black, though from head to
<v Speaker 1>toe he was like an ink black color. And on
<v Speaker 1>the back he had like these white stripes, kind of
<v Speaker 1>like a skunk or a lemur. He had two of
<v Speaker 1>them going from his shoulder blades to like ride above
<v Speaker 1>his butt, and I don't know, it kind of reminded
<v Speaker 1>me of a skunk, Like that's like the impression I got.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just standing there like shock, looking at this
<v Speaker 1>thing as it's walking through the woods, and when it's
<v Speaker 1>walking like it looks over at me a few times.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but I think just to see,
<v Speaker 1>like if I was going to pursue it, or if
<v Speaker 1>I had a firearm. And I watched him walk into
<v Speaker 1>some cedar trees, because he walked through the oaks into cedars,
<v Speaker 1>and when he walked into those cedars, he just disappeared.
<v Speaker 1>And then I snapped back into reality because I didn't
<v Speaker 1>know what to do. I was just frozen, like WHOA.
<v Speaker 1>The only thing I thought to myself was if this
<v Speaker 1>thing comes at me, I'm gonna run and I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>go inside and slam the door shut. But it never did,
<v Speaker 1>so I just stood there, but I had that safety
<v Speaker 1>like there's the house. I'm almost there, so if he
<v Speaker 1>comes at me, I'm running. But he did help.
<v Speaker 2>How far away do you think you were from him?
<v Speaker 1>I was probably about I would say, about forty feet okay,
<v Speaker 1>so he was right there. I had no idea even
<v Speaker 1>when I stopped and looked the first time when he'd
<v Speaker 1>I guess he was like crouched down. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if he was like picking mushrooms or sleeping or what.
<v Speaker 1>But I kicked him up and he jumped, like he
<v Speaker 1>came up and just started walking. And he didn't run either,
<v Speaker 1>like when he walked through the forest floor, like there's
<v Speaker 1>oak leaves everywhere. When he walked, it was dead silent,
<v Speaker 1>like you didn't hear anything. And that's what really shocked me,
<v Speaker 1>was like, man, these things are moving around us and
<v Speaker 1>we can't.
<v Speaker 2>Even hear them.
<v Speaker 1>But I snapped back to reality and was like questioning
<v Speaker 1>my sanity, Like did I really see that? So I did.
<v Speaker 1>I ran back towards the house and I went to
<v Speaker 1>like cut him off, so like I went through the
<v Speaker 1>yard and back into the woods. I stepped over like
<v Speaker 1>an old barber fence, took about two or three steps
<v Speaker 1>in the woods and just stood there and I could
<v Speaker 1>hear this thing like it got upset. It was like
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like a horse or like a caveman like
<v Speaker 1>And when I described that, people were like, that's a
<v Speaker 1>white tailed deer. That's obviously, why tell deer. It's like no,
<v Speaker 1>like you don't understand, Like the lung capacity was enormous
<v Speaker 1>when this thing was huffy, and not to mention, I
<v Speaker 1>just seen it, like I literally just yeah, so I've
<v Speaker 1>I've spooped many white tail deers like they'll blow, and.
<v Speaker 3>This was different.
<v Speaker 1>Like if you heard it, you would be like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my god. But the feeling I got there was Miguel,
<v Speaker 1>don't don't go, like do not go, Like this thing
<v Speaker 1>is being territorial. So like I took a few steps back,
<v Speaker 1>went back over the barbed wire fence and walked to
<v Speaker 1>my house like shaking my head, like, oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>they do exist for some reason. Like hearing it really
<v Speaker 1>confirmed it, like I seen it. But when when I
<v Speaker 1>heard it, it like really put the terror in me. Man.
<v Speaker 1>So about three weeks went on after that, and I
<v Speaker 1>really got into Bigfoot and I was really questioning my sanity,
<v Speaker 1>Like Okay, I.
<v Speaker 3>Really saw this, like clear as day.
<v Speaker 1>It was like right there, and the deciding lasted anywhere
<v Speaker 1>from like five to eight seconds. And when something like
<v Speaker 1>that happens, everything goes in slow emotion, so it felt
<v Speaker 1>like it was like twenty or thirty seconds. But I
<v Speaker 1>really didn't know what to do. So I had this
<v Speaker 1>Panasonic HC eight seventy camp quorder that I got for
<v Speaker 1>deer hunting because I was going to sell film like
<v Speaker 1>my hunts and try to like get it on film
<v Speaker 1>and make like a YouTube channel, and that's what I
<v Speaker 1>was doing in that time. I was really trying to
<v Speaker 1>start something and just I don't know, decompress, I guess,
<v Speaker 1>just get out in nature, keep busy, do what I love,
<v Speaker 1>and try to keep my life moving forward. Because I
<v Speaker 1>found myself in a really dark place at that time.
<v Speaker 1>I had sky attica. I had like two or three
<v Speaker 1>herniated disks in my back. Yeah it was rough because
<v Speaker 1>I could barely walk, and like that whole time, like
<v Speaker 1>I was limping around, but the sky Attica went all
<v Speaker 1>away from my back down to my toes, so I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't even like stretch out my leg. Like trying to
<v Speaker 1>stretch out my leg was just like excruciating pain. Driving
<v Speaker 1>in my car like anytime I hit a bump, it
<v Speaker 1>felt like glass shattering in my back.
<v Speaker 3>So it was rough.
<v Speaker 1>But one strange thing was after that encounter, the pain
<v Speaker 1>went away for about two or three weeks because the adrenaline. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I was able to run around
<v Speaker 1>my yard and try to cut this thing off, but
<v Speaker 1>like for some reason, all the pain just went away.
<v Speaker 3>And I think that was adrenaline.
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. Eventually the pain came back. I
<v Speaker 1>was walking the driveway non stop all the time and
<v Speaker 1>carrying that little Panasonic camcorder, and well, eventually I was like, dude,
<v Speaker 1>I'm never.
<v Speaker 3>Going to see one of these things again.
<v Speaker 1>Like the chances of seeing another one are very very slim,
<v Speaker 1>Like Miguel, you saw one, that's it. You're not gonna
<v Speaker 1>be able to film one of these things. And I
<v Speaker 1>was out there all the time. Anytime something would happen,
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, it's just a bird, Okay, it's
<v Speaker 1>just a squirrel. There's nothing okay, everything just dead. So
<v Speaker 1>I got some bad news and me and the AX
<v Speaker 1>were like completely done after that, and I was like
<v Speaker 1>really pissed off. So I was like, I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 1>go walk like I'm not bringing my phone, I'm not
<v Speaker 1>bringing the camera. Screw Bigfoot, Like I was just I
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to get out of the house. So I
<v Speaker 1>walked up the driveway past the spot where I seen
<v Speaker 1>the sasquatch, went all the way up to where I
<v Speaker 1>heard the whistles prior to that. And it's a big
<v Speaker 1>circle driveway, so I'm walking on the other side. And
<v Speaker 1>for some reason, like I kind of got like this
<v Speaker 1>OCD whenever I was looking for Bigfoot, like don't step
<v Speaker 1>on a leaf, don't step on a stick, like just
<v Speaker 1>trying to be as quiet as possible. So like anytime
<v Speaker 1>i'd walk, i'd like take a few steps, stop, look
<v Speaker 1>just standing there, observe the woods, and then take a
<v Speaker 1>few more steps. But I'd always like step in a
<v Speaker 1>spot that was like really quiet. Well I was doing
<v Speaker 1>that unknowingly because I guess I'd just gotten a pattern
<v Speaker 1>of doing it. And when I got down on the
<v Speaker 1>other side of the driveway, I was walking real quiet,
<v Speaker 1>trying not to step on any sticks or anything, and
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't paying attention. And this side of the driveway
<v Speaker 1>is like pavement, so when I was walking, I stepped
<v Speaker 1>on this like white rock and it made this sound
<v Speaker 1>like and then when it when I did that, I
<v Speaker 1>saw this jet black creature on all fours scurry to
<v Speaker 1>the left of me, right off the driveway. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it was right there, and I'm watching it looked like
<v Speaker 1>a little chimpanzee moving through the woods.
<v Speaker 3>And as I'm watching it, it gets up and it like.
<v Speaker 1>Slowly hides behind the tree, and I'm like, man, this
<v Speaker 1>is just like at Merrimack Springs a year ago in
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, when I went there to scout that area, just.
<v Speaker 3>Like that, and I'm like, what is that?
<v Speaker 1>And I'm standing there looking at this oak tree that
<v Speaker 1>it hid behind, and I'm like, okay, it's gone. I'm
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was, I'm never going to see it again.
<v Speaker 1>And right when I'm thinking that, this little juvenile sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>like pops out from the side of the tree and
<v Speaker 1>he's just like perched up like this, but he's looking
<v Speaker 1>this way, and I'm right over here and I'm staying
<v Speaker 1>there like watching this thing like, oh my god, like
<v Speaker 1>it is a juvenile sasquatch, Like I cannot believe it.
<v Speaker 3>And this thing was.
<v Speaker 1>Probably about I would say four feet tall, give or take.
<v Speaker 1>Jet black looked like a little gorilla. And the crazy
<v Speaker 1>thing is he had like a really big conical shaped head,
<v Speaker 1>like a cone shaped head, almost like a KKK member
<v Speaker 1>or like Nefertiditi. Like when you look at Neffertiti from
<v Speaker 1>the side, it's like a big elongated head. That's how
<v Speaker 1>it was. And it came to a point at the
<v Speaker 1>top and it was just jet black. The hair was
<v Speaker 1>about three or four inches. The hair had this shine
<v Speaker 1>to it, like when the sun was beaming down because
<v Speaker 1>it was a beautiful summer day. This was in July,
<v Speaker 1>in July now, and it almost looked like chrome or
<v Speaker 1>something like. It had this shine to it. But it
<v Speaker 1>had like these big round eyes, like the diameter of
<v Speaker 1>like a coke can. And they were like super white,
<v Speaker 1>like real vibrant white. Like if you look at like
<v Speaker 1>a little kid's eyes, have you noticed like how white
<v Speaker 1>they are, Like they don't have like any blood vessels
<v Speaker 1>in their eyes. It's just like a real vibrant white.
<v Speaker 1>That's how it was, like really white. And his pupils
<v Speaker 1>were like, i don't know, smaller than a dime, so
<v Speaker 1>you could see a lot of white and then it
<v Speaker 1>was like black in the middle, but it looked like
<v Speaker 1>light bulbs, like real glossy white, and he had long,
<v Speaker 1>thin lips. You couldn't see the nose, like the whole
<v Speaker 1>face was like covered in hair, and all you saw
<v Speaker 1>were these big eyes sticking out, and you can see
<v Speaker 1>the canines and they were sticking down from the from
<v Speaker 1>the top down, not from like down up, so you
<v Speaker 1>can see two canines and they're dental white like if
<v Speaker 1>you ever seen like a German shepherd, like their teeth
<v Speaker 1>are like super white. That's how it was, and their
<v Speaker 1>arrest on his bottom lip, and he's I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>he's built like a little beer cake or something like.
<v Speaker 1>He was really robust and he had like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like baby features. So he was like really cute. He
<v Speaker 1>was like a handsome little guy. I don't know how
<v Speaker 1>to say it, but he was really cool. He was chill.
<v Speaker 1>You could tell that he like it bothered him that
<v Speaker 1>he heard something and didn't know what it was.
<v Speaker 3>Like he was just like like, this is another day.
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing what I do every single day, watching people,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought I heard something that I didn't like. Dang.
<v Speaker 3>It was almost like he was bored, Like I don't
<v Speaker 3>know how to explain it.
<v Speaker 1>Like, but he's standing there looking to his left, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm over here to his right, and I got my
<v Speaker 1>left hand on my left knee because I'm kind of
<v Speaker 1>like bent down looking through the trees and I'm just like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god. But he pans to his right like this,
<v Speaker 1>and when he sees me, his eyes go boom, like
<v Speaker 1>it looked like he just saw the devil or something
<v Speaker 1>like I was a demon, like oh my god, a
<v Speaker 1>human and you could see the panic in the shock
<v Speaker 1>in his eyes. But right right then and there, like
<v Speaker 1>he got really serious, like okay, I know exactly what
<v Speaker 1>to do. So like he went from panic to like
<v Speaker 1>real serious and then like he kind of puffed up
<v Speaker 1>and like this is the oak tree and he goes
<v Speaker 1>boom like that, and it was like a fish being
<v Speaker 1>spooped in the water. If you ever just seen a
<v Speaker 1>fish just boom like they're gone. That's how it was.
<v Speaker 1>And there was like some brush next to the tree,
<v Speaker 1>so I could only see from like I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>like his waist up and whenever he like dip down
<v Speaker 1>like that, like I remember like one of the I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like the I don't know the shrubs like
<v Speaker 1>next to the tree, like shaking back and forth, and
<v Speaker 1>I stood there watching and I didn't hear anything like
<v Speaker 1>you didn't hear like like or something, you know, like
<v Speaker 1>when a deer run off. It was just dead silence
<v Speaker 1>after that, and I was like, oh my god, I
<v Speaker 1>just seen a big foot like another one. Oh they're here.
<v Speaker 3>I kept saying that to myself.
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh my god, they are real, and I.
<v Speaker 3>Kept saying that over and over. Oh my god, that
<v Speaker 3>was so cool.
<v Speaker 1>And then like the forest got really quiet, and I thought,
<v Speaker 1>should I pursue this thing? No, because that means mom
<v Speaker 1>and dad around. What I had seen three weeks before
<v Speaker 1>that was either mom or dad, and if I go
<v Speaker 1>after this thing, they might not be happy. And I
<v Speaker 1>just had another class A encounter, So it's like, why
<v Speaker 1>chase it? Like you just that answers all your questions.
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to go shake this thing's hand.
<v Speaker 3>Or something like.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 3>It was an intense situation.
<v Speaker 1>So I walked back to my house and that's really
<v Speaker 1>what kicked everything off, like I had to see another
<v Speaker 1>one to really confirm it. So in reality, I've already
<v Speaker 1>seen three of them, but I didn't know what that
<v Speaker 1>first one was because I never really saw it.
<v Speaker 3>But when I whenever I witnessed that.
<v Speaker 1>Juvenile exactly like how we ran on all four stood up,
<v Speaker 1>I knew that what I had.
<v Speaker 3>Seen a year before that was a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>What I was thinking was a bear, turkeys or maybe hogs,
<v Speaker 1>that's what it was. So I feel like these things
<v Speaker 1>followed me from place to place, and things got really
<v Speaker 1>serious after that, like they started leaving me like gifts.
<v Speaker 1>Like whenever I'd walked the driveway, there was like this
<v Speaker 1>old telephone pole that was along the road, and I'd
<v Speaker 1>always put my phone there because I'd be wearing gym
<v Speaker 1>shorts and when i'd walk that phone would like slap
<v Speaker 1>around in my pocket and it was just annoying.
<v Speaker 3>It'd like weigh down my shorts.
<v Speaker 1>And I was wearing shorts because I couldn't like put
<v Speaker 1>on pants, like the pain. It was really hard to
<v Speaker 1>put on like socks or shoes. It was like it
<v Speaker 1>was painful. So I was wearing like gym shorts and
<v Speaker 1>crocs like it made life easier. And it was hot
<v Speaker 1>outside so and it was really quiet when i'd walk
<v Speaker 1>in that type of clothes for some reason, like the
<v Speaker 1>crocks when I was walking like how I told y'ad
<v Speaker 1>walk real slow, like it didn't make the noise like
<v Speaker 1>shoes or boots would make. It was just like really
<v Speaker 1>quiet and it was comfortable. But anyways, I put that
<v Speaker 1>phone there and I always did that, and whenever I
<v Speaker 1>went back to that telephone post, there was a mushroom
<v Speaker 1>sitting right there, right where I put my phone.
<v Speaker 3>So I was like the thing fell out.
<v Speaker 1>Of a tree. I wonder if mushrooms can grow up
<v Speaker 1>in the trees, because like maybe like they could collect
<v Speaker 1>like leaves and create like dirt up there, like whenever
<v Speaker 1>it gets wet. Maybe it fell out of the tree
<v Speaker 1>and landed right there and they would leave like feathers
<v Speaker 1>on a chair that would I would sit out there
<v Speaker 1>in the woods. One thing I forgot to mention was
<v Speaker 1>whenever I had whenever I seen those two orbs, and
<v Speaker 1>I heard those whistles after I seen the orbs, whenever
<v Speaker 1>I was walking back, it was completely.
<v Speaker 3>Dark and they were there and I didn't know it.
<v Speaker 1>I heard in the woods and it sounded like a
<v Speaker 1>big buck just like jumped up, but I never heard
<v Speaker 1>it run off. And then I heard one like charge me,
<v Speaker 1>and it whooped three times like so this is before
<v Speaker 1>i'd seen them, had my encounters. But yeah, I forgot
<v Speaker 1>to mention that part when I was walking back after
<v Speaker 1>seeing the orbs. So I was having like experiences. I
<v Speaker 1>just couldn't figure it out. So yeah, at this point,
<v Speaker 1>I'm a full believer, and we're going into fall time,
<v Speaker 1>so summer's over falls here. I've done a lot of
<v Speaker 1>research and I'm like, dang, I missed my opportunity at
<v Speaker 1>filming these things. I'm not finding anything, like they're probably gone. Well,
<v Speaker 1>one day, I'm sitting in my room. I got the
<v Speaker 1>window open and I was a smoker at the time,
<v Speaker 1>I admit it. So it was really cool outside, so
<v Speaker 1>like i'd hold my hand out the window and I
<v Speaker 1>was smoking, and I was like super depressed. I was
<v Speaker 1>just really down that day. I was in the dunk,
<v Speaker 1>like had the blues. But I'm sitting there and I
<v Speaker 1>hear these foxes going off in the woods like they're
<v Speaker 1>going crazy. I mean, it sounds like a chimpanzee is
<v Speaker 1>being ripped apart. That's what I thought at the time.
<v Speaker 1>My god, they're out there. And then I got the
<v Speaker 1>spotlight and I'm shining it where I see where I'm
<v Speaker 1>hearing these foxes. And a fox comes out of the
<v Speaker 1>tall grass out of the woods in the yard and
<v Speaker 1>then goes through the yard back in the woods. A
<v Speaker 1>couple minutes later, another one comes out. He's like real
<v Speaker 1>low to the ground, and the whole time this vocalization's
<v Speaker 1>going off. It sounds like a chimpanzee's in trouble, but
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's the fox, maybe a fox in distress call.
<v Speaker 1>They're just going nuts. And then a few minutes later,
<v Speaker 1>another fox comes out out of the tall grass through
<v Speaker 1>the yard back into the woods. All of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>I hear like this big commotion, a quartering to my
<v Speaker 1>left across the yard in the woods. So I shine
<v Speaker 1>the spotlight from the foxes into the woods, and I
<v Speaker 1>just see all these glowing eyes. I mean, there's got
<v Speaker 1>to be anywhere from like five to nine sets of
<v Speaker 1>glowing eyes, Like there's too many now, And I'm like
<v Speaker 1>looking at it, and the spotlight is like penetrating the
<v Speaker 1>outside of the woods, but you can't see in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>So all you see are these glowing eyes, and they're
<v Speaker 1>probably about three or four feet off the ground, and
<v Speaker 1>they're like they're all swaying up and down like so
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man.
<v Speaker 3>That's got to be deer.
<v Speaker 1>I guess that distress call like called in a big
<v Speaker 1>group of does like they came in running to check
<v Speaker 1>it out. And I'm thinking, like, as I'm shining that light,
<v Speaker 1>if this is sasquatch, the eyes would be way higher
<v Speaker 1>off the ground. I kid you not. As soon as
<v Speaker 1>that thought crossed my mind, one of the sets of
<v Speaker 1>eyes goes so like I don't want to exaggerate, but
<v Speaker 1>I know for sure it was more than nine or
<v Speaker 1>ten feet. And I was like, my god, there's bigger ones.
<v Speaker 1>Like what I saw I thought was huge, but there's
<v Speaker 1>like way bigger ones. It was almost like an elevator
<v Speaker 1>like it went yeah, and they were big. And then
<v Speaker 1>right at that moment, I'm hearing in the direction where
<v Speaker 1>I seen the foxes, So I take the spotlight off
<v Speaker 1>of them, and I'm shining over here, and I hear
<v Speaker 1>the and it sounds very bipedal. It sounds like a
<v Speaker 1>huge seven foot man is walking out there in the
<v Speaker 1>woods like a big lumberjack, and it's slowly approaching, and
<v Speaker 1>I can't see it because it's so thick in the woods.
<v Speaker 1>So I shine my light in this gap because there's
<v Speaker 1>like a gap right there in the woods, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>when this thing crosses that gap, I'm gonna be able
<v Speaker 1>to see it. And it did. It walked right through
<v Speaker 1>that gap, and it was like a white sasquatch had
<v Speaker 1>a round head, really big shoulders, like a whitish gray one.
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't look over at me like when he walked.
<v Speaker 1>He just kept walking. But the spotlight was on him
<v Speaker 1>and he acted like he was not affected by it,
<v Speaker 1>didn't care about it. And I have the Panasonic camp
<v Speaker 1>quarter out the whole time, but I got the spotlight
<v Speaker 1>in one hand, camp quarter in the other, and you
<v Speaker 1>just can't see anything. It's just pitch black. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know how to be settings on a camera. It's got
<v Speaker 1>night vision, but like the night vision, you can only
<v Speaker 1>see like three feet away. But you can hear the
<v Speaker 1>fox is vocalizing in the recording, but that's it, Like
<v Speaker 1>you can't hear these things walking and it's just confusion.
<v Speaker 1>And I did a crap job. But anyways, that sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>walk to where that group was, like he came from
<v Speaker 1>an opposite direction and met up with them. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that pretty well sums up my main encounters I've had
<v Speaker 1>a lot more experiences and possible partial settings, like a
<v Speaker 1>lot of experiences, and I do this all the time,
<v Speaker 1>so I hear strange things. Every now and then. People
<v Speaker 1>are sending me all kinds of things, and I research places,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I've heard wood knocks, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>bound structures, a lot of things, a lot of sign,
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of sign, not like everywhere I go.
<v Speaker 1>But every now and then I find something like a
<v Speaker 1>big cluster of structures, or I found some cool stuff
<v Speaker 1>in South Carolina. I don't know. There's just a lot
<v Speaker 1>to it.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, feel free to ask any questions.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm curious when you I first experienced the things
<v Speaker 2>in the woods and you said, for the next couple
<v Speaker 2>of weeks, your sayatica pain was gone. So did you
<v Speaker 2>tell anybody about that or did you keep it all
<v Speaker 2>to yourself?
<v Speaker 1>The skyatica pain or the bigfoot encounters.
<v Speaker 2>The encounters.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I kept that to myself. I didn't tell
<v Speaker 1>my family. I was like, I'm not telling anyone because
<v Speaker 1>I'm already going through stuff in my life and they're
<v Speaker 1>just gonna think that I'm crazy. Like that's the last
<v Speaker 1>thing I need. So I tried to keep it to myself,
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't. Like I found myself talking to people
<v Speaker 1>being like, have you ever had a bigfoot encounter? You
<v Speaker 1>believe bigfoot exists? I got the feeling that if I
<v Speaker 1>talked to these hunters, they would know what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 1>And I'd ask people and they'd be like, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But for some reason, since I had so many experiences,
<v Speaker 1>I thought everyone knows about this and nobody did. I
<v Speaker 1>felt really alone, really isolated, and one day I decided, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to write down these I'm going to put
<v Speaker 1>him on YouTube, and I'm going to put him out
<v Speaker 1>there for people to see or listen to. And I
<v Speaker 1>know for a fact what I encountered was real and
<v Speaker 1>it really happened. These things are out there, so other
<v Speaker 1>people are going to confirm that. I guarantee you someone
<v Speaker 1>else has seen this little juvenile with the conical shaped
<v Speaker 1>head and similar things. And to my amazement, I put
<v Speaker 1>that video out there and all of a sudden, people
<v Speaker 1>started contacting me like, Hey, I had this experience in
<v Speaker 1>Michigan or I'm in Minnesota and this happened. So I
<v Speaker 1>started calling people and then a farmer from Missouri contacted
<v Speaker 1>me and he's like, I got all kinds of stuff
<v Speaker 1>happening out here. You need to get out here right now.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, can I bring my camera. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>you bring your camera, just get out here right now.
<v Speaker 1>And that ended up being like one of the biggest
<v Speaker 1>films I ever made. I just got in my car
<v Speaker 1>filmed everything that happened, and I started doing documentaries. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>I guess some of YouTuber now, and I prayed. The
<v Speaker 1>crazy thing is before that, I was praying because like
<v Speaker 1>the sky Attica pain, the dark spot that I was
<v Speaker 1>in my life. If I said, God, I don't I
<v Speaker 1>need a job that I like, Please help me find
<v Speaker 1>a job that I like, and I didn't know I
<v Speaker 1>wasn't putting out those encounters to start a YouTube channel.
<v Speaker 1>And like three weeks after that prayer, two or three
<v Speaker 1>weeks after that prayer, that the channel started. And it's
<v Speaker 1>like God gave me, like he answered my prayer. So
<v Speaker 1>he used something really dark and bad for good. I
<v Speaker 1>got to see his power like and how it works,
<v Speaker 1>and it really increased my faith. So I always pray.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fascinating. So Have you always been a Christian
<v Speaker 2>or was there a point where it really clicked for you.
<v Speaker 1>I've always been a Christian, but I was a struggling Christian,
<v Speaker 1>like I would hear the word and not obey it,
<v Speaker 1>like I knew it was real. And I fell off
<v Speaker 1>the map, quit going to church, started partying, and just
<v Speaker 1>lived a reckless life. And I found myself off in
<v Speaker 1>a dark place, and I said, I got to go
<v Speaker 1>back to God. I mean, I still struggle today, but
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot better now than what I was.
<v Speaker 1>Because once I start feeling better, I'm praying I get
<v Speaker 1>back into sin. It's like, I don't know, almost like
<v Speaker 1>King David, Like you have all these things, you're feeling great,
<v Speaker 1>you got a kingdom who cares if I sleep my
<v Speaker 1>best friend's wife and kill him, you know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, no, you know, it's easy to fall back
<v Speaker 1>into stuff like whenever you're when you're sinning.
<v Speaker 3>I hate to use that as a reference, but.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, those weaknesses. The devil knows how to use
<v Speaker 2>those weaknesses and leverage them.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when you're feeling good. That's when it's most
<v Speaker 1>dangerous because you're like, no, everything's fine. I can I
<v Speaker 1>can do this and be okay, And that's where you
<v Speaker 1>really mess up.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, you let your guard down. And we
<v Speaker 2>should never let our guard down.
<v Speaker 1>No, especially when you're doing good, because that's when you're
<v Speaker 1>most vulnerable. I feel like whenever you're in a really
<v Speaker 1>bad state in life, that's when you're closer to God.
<v Speaker 1>So you got to be mindful to hey, if I'm
<v Speaker 1>doing good, do not mess it up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, blessed are those who suffer, especially in this life,
<v Speaker 2>and the reward is greater in heaven.
<v Speaker 1>Another main experience that I had forgot to mention it
<v Speaker 1>because I started off for the I found that cedar
<v Speaker 1>tree next to the chair. Whenever I was hunting. Whenever
<v Speaker 1>I was twelve years old, I was sitting in my room.
<v Speaker 1>It was summertime. I had the window open, and I
<v Speaker 1>had like this old compact computer and I'd get on
<v Speaker 1>like AOL and MySpace and like chatting people. It's like
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a new thing. So I was excited
<v Speaker 1>doing that I had. I was watching Family Guy on
<v Speaker 1>Cartoon Network, and it had it been like nine pm,
<v Speaker 1>maybe ten or eleven pm. For some reason, they'd play
<v Speaker 1>Family Guy on Cartoon Network, like every Wednesday. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch cartoons anymore, but I remember that because
<v Speaker 1>I'd always watched Family Guy. But I had the window
<v Speaker 1>and I heard this like, I mean, the best way
<v Speaker 1>I can describe it as like a werewolf howl. It
<v Speaker 1>was so deep and guttural. It sounded like a monster
<v Speaker 1>was in the woods. I mean, it was terrifying, Like
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like somebody took a werewolf call, set up
<v Speaker 1>a PA system out in the woods and blasted it
<v Speaker 1>like like concert loud.
<v Speaker 3>And it scared me so bad. I shut that window.
<v Speaker 1>I jumped into my bed, put the covers over me,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm not coming out till the
<v Speaker 1>next morning. No one else heard it, and I thought
<v Speaker 1>my brother was like playing a prank on me. I don't.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was the only thing my brand could
<v Speaker 1>think of. But yeah, that was another experience in high school.
<v Speaker 1>Me and my buddy Bruce, we would road trip after
<v Speaker 1>school and we were going to the river down like
<v Speaker 1>a state highway out in the country, going towards where
<v Speaker 1>I had that experience with my ex when we did
<v Speaker 1>like the wood knocks and the tree fell over and
<v Speaker 1>I got screamed at. We were going in that direction,
<v Speaker 1>and by this point it's almost dark. We're going down
<v Speaker 1>a highway. He's driving this old Crown VIC which is
<v Speaker 1>like a police interceptor car, and we see this possum
<v Speaker 1>way down the hill in the middle of the highway.
<v Speaker 1>It's getting ready across. My buddy Bruce steps on the
<v Speaker 1>gas and like, what are you doing? Like why are
<v Speaker 1>you gonna like kill like an innocent animal? And I'm
<v Speaker 1>just thinking, like, oh man, what's he doing. We go
<v Speaker 1>from like fifty five to eighty miles an hour and
<v Speaker 1>we're almost about to hit that possum, and this creature
<v Speaker 1>dives out of the woods and snatches up that possum,
<v Speaker 1>throws it up in its mouth and shakes it around
<v Speaker 1>like a rag doll, and tears back off from the woods.
<v Speaker 1>And this thing was like a lion. It was the
<v Speaker 1>size of a lion. It was gianormous. It was like
<v Speaker 1>a giant pit bull on steroids. But the face was
<v Speaker 1>like a hyena. And it had this mane around its
<v Speaker 1>neck like the fur everywhere else was like an inch long,
<v Speaker 1>like really short, and it was like a blue pit color,
<v Speaker 1>like a gray like a gray color if you ever
<v Speaker 1>seen blue pit bull. But it had like this man
<v Speaker 1>around its neck and a fat head with like pointy ears.
<v Speaker 3>But it had like the snout like a like a wolf.
<v Speaker 1>Or a hyena, or like a German shepherd, and it
<v Speaker 1>was like muscular. But I didn't know what it was like.
<v Speaker 1>Once we passed that spot where the possum was, my
<v Speaker 1>buddy slows down. He goes, WHOA. I was like, did
<v Speaker 1>you see that? He's like, yeah. I talked to him
<v Speaker 1>years after that, I mean like ten years after that,
<v Speaker 1>and I asked him, Hey, you remember that big dog
<v Speaker 1>that we saw off Highway KK going towards the Merrimack River.
<v Speaker 1>He goes, no, wow, how do you not remember that?
<v Speaker 2>Huh? Yeah, so you you both saw it clearly. M
<v Speaker 2>And did you ever talk about it right after or
<v Speaker 2>in the recent.
<v Speaker 1>No, no, we never talked about it again. No, we
<v Speaker 1>just didn't know what it was. In my mind, I
<v Speaker 1>was like, dude, that was like Kujoe, or like dogs
<v Speaker 1>breeding out in the woods, like some big dog must
<v Speaker 1>have bred with another big dog and created like some
<v Speaker 1>weird mutt mutation.
<v Speaker 2>Was it on all fours the whole time or did
<v Speaker 2>it ever go on?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 3>No, it never stood up.
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like the front legs were like a body
<v Speaker 1>builder like huge, but the back legs were like smaller.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how to describe it.
<v Speaker 2>With everything you know, Now, what do you think it was?
<v Speaker 1>I ended up thinking maybe it was a dog man.
<v Speaker 1>But then later on I started to hear about hell
<v Speaker 1>hounds and I don't know if you ever heard about that,
<v Speaker 1>and somebody on YouTube. I can't ever find this video anymore,
<v Speaker 1>but he had like this thumbnail picture of a hell
<v Speaker 1>hound and this one was black, like a dark black color,
<v Speaker 1>but it had that same maine around its neck like
<v Speaker 1>a lion, and it looked just like it, just the
<v Speaker 1>color was off.
<v Speaker 2>Oh man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And after interviewing people, a lot of people have
<v Speaker 1>seen this thing.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that would be difficult for a teenager to process.
<v Speaker 2>And then you never talk about it, and so it's
<v Speaker 2>you can't really make sense of it if you don't
<v Speaker 2>talk through it or get anyone else's opinions. And it
<v Speaker 2>is really fascinating that your friend doesn't remember.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that blew my mind.
<v Speaker 1>And I would say, because I already told you about
<v Speaker 1>the shadow person story. The next significant encounter I was
<v Speaker 1>in high school. I went to a party with that
<v Speaker 1>same guy that I've seen the hell Hound with. We
<v Speaker 1>went to a town called Bourbon. It's actually this shirt.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you can see that Bourbon Missouri.
<v Speaker 1>Oh never mind, I disappeared, but anyways, that's what this
<v Speaker 1>shirt is. It's the next town over. But anyways, I
<v Speaker 1>drink like two or three beers, and I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not drinking anymore because this town is notorious for
<v Speaker 1>fighting people, especially people for my town, like they just
<v Speaker 1>do not like us. But the people there were pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>But I made sure not to drink because I didn't
<v Speaker 1>want to like get in some stupid fight, and I
<v Speaker 1>was just trying to be bonsible, which was rare for
<v Speaker 1>me at that age. But I got home, my buddy
<v Speaker 1>dropped me off and I went to bed and I
<v Speaker 1>woke up around two or three in the morning. I
<v Speaker 1>woke up and I couldn't move, and I'm like, what
<v Speaker 1>the heck is going on? And I try to get
<v Speaker 1>up and I couldn't. The only thing I could move
<v Speaker 1>and control was my breathing, like my lungs were still
<v Speaker 1>working and my eyeballs were working, but everything else was frozen.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm trying to like get up, and people say
<v Speaker 1>it's sleep prolysis.
<v Speaker 3>But I was like super aware. I could think.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there like wondering, like what do I do?
<v Speaker 1>Like what's going on?
<v Speaker 3>And I look over to my right and standing next
<v Speaker 3>to my bed. This is no joke. This really happened.
<v Speaker 1>There's this gray alien standing next to my bed and
<v Speaker 1>he's looking down at me. Like he doesn't have like
<v Speaker 1>a facial expression, like he's not smiling, he's not angry,
<v Speaker 1>he's just like And the best way I described it
<v Speaker 1>is like when you're a little kid and you're looking
<v Speaker 1>like at an ant colony or ant's moving on the ground,
<v Speaker 1>You're just like just staring at him. That's what he
<v Speaker 1>was doing. He was looking down at me. So I panic,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm trying to move. I'm trying to break free,
<v Speaker 1>and I noticed that the fan next to my bed
<v Speaker 1>it was oscillating extremely slow, like rather than just being
<v Speaker 1>fast like it was in slow motion. So I start
<v Speaker 1>to really panic and finally I'm able to break free.
<v Speaker 3>I sit up and the thing's gone.
<v Speaker 1>And I went into like my parents' bedroom and I'm like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>have you guys seen anything weird. I can't remember exactly
<v Speaker 1>what I said, but They're like, no, go to bed now.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't about to tell him what I'd seen. It's
<v Speaker 1>just like they're going to think I got the devil. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but that terrifying. Yeah, it was so.
<v Speaker 2>What happened after that? How did you? How did the
<v Speaker 2>rest of the night go when you woke up in
<v Speaker 2>the morning, What were you thinking? Or was that something
<v Speaker 2>where you thought, oh, this is just my imagination, move on,
<v Speaker 2>or I mean, how did you process that? As a kid?
<v Speaker 1>Everything was normal once that ended, and the next morning
<v Speaker 1>was normal. But I knew without a doubt what I
<v Speaker 1>had seen, Like I didn't question like did that really happen?
<v Speaker 1>Like did I really see that? Like for some reason,
<v Speaker 1>like I was like that was there, Like I saw
<v Speaker 1>that clear as day, because when I looked over, I
<v Speaker 1>could see it like had like these big brown black eyes.
<v Speaker 1>It looked just like what you see like in the drawings,
<v Speaker 1>like what a great ailing looked just like that.
<v Speaker 2>Wow.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's been really hard because I don't know
<v Speaker 1>people struggle with like anxiety and depression, and I've always
<v Speaker 1>wondered about it and like how to manage it and
<v Speaker 1>cope it, and I've done fairly good. But when you
<v Speaker 1>add all this external all these external experiences to it,
<v Speaker 1>things that shouldn't exist. It's really hard. It'd be one
<v Speaker 1>thing if I just saw one bigfoot or just I
<v Speaker 1>had like one paranormal experiences, but I've had like a
<v Speaker 1>multitude of experiences, and it's really hard to deal with
<v Speaker 1>it all. I don't know. I feel pretty numb to
<v Speaker 1>the world, like I don't know, like things don't seem
<v Speaker 1>as interesting anymore, and I don't know. It's really hard.
<v Speaker 2>Was that a slow progression or was there a time
<v Speaker 2>when it really switched from being numb or having a
<v Speaker 2>different sense of reality. Was that a sudden shift or
<v Speaker 2>was it gradual?
<v Speaker 1>It was just like a sudden shift. And it's like
<v Speaker 1>the more I try to do better, the worst I get.
<v Speaker 3>So I have to like just do what I can.
<v Speaker 1>Like if I feel like sleeping, I'm gonna sleep, because
<v Speaker 1>like it seems like when I try to do better
<v Speaker 1>and take people's advice, like I stumble and I fall.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to describe it, but like I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. For example, like before I moved back to
<v Speaker 1>the property where I had these bigfoot encounters, like the
<v Speaker 1>place I was that, I was like, okay, I'm gonna work,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna stay healthy, I'm gonna do everything I can.
<v Speaker 1>The more I did that, the worst I became. I
<v Speaker 1>started getting like insomnia. I just started going downhill. It's
<v Speaker 1>like that doesn't make sense, Like I'm going to the gym,
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to work more hours, I'm doing more, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting worse. Like what else is the guy supposed
<v Speaker 1>to do?
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, Yeah, that would be very frustrating and demotivating.
<v Speaker 2>Why would you want to do the healthy things if
<v Speaker 2>it makes you feel worse.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So then that's where I really messed up, because
<v Speaker 1>I started like drinking to cope with it and doing
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of unhealthy things, and it made it worse.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in the moment, I felt.
<v Speaker 1>Better, like hey, I feel normal again, but then it's
<v Speaker 1>just like, no, your life's falling apartment goal.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is a lot to process, from the time
<v Speaker 2>you're fifteen until now, multiple experiences. You know, it's interesting
<v Speaker 2>when we talk about trauma, what it's important to uncover,
<v Speaker 2>what beliefs that you formed after that experience happened. And
<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious when you had that experience when you
<v Speaker 2>were fifteen, after the movie. How did your beliefs change
<v Speaker 2>about yourself or about the world. Do you remember anything specific,
<v Speaker 2>like any beliefs that.
<v Speaker 1>No, nothing changed, Just like a big issue that I
<v Speaker 1>had was I would block it out and tell myself
<v Speaker 1>that I can continue sitting and everything was going to
<v Speaker 1>be all right, and it wasn't. There was a major
<v Speaker 1>paranormal experience in that house that I lived in, where
<v Speaker 1>I said, like the baby was crying, the bigfoot charge
<v Speaker 1>of the woods, I've seen that light. There was a
<v Speaker 1>lot to happen there. And this story would take like
<v Speaker 1>two or three hours to tell. But long story short was,
<v Speaker 1>I came across this film a guy I think his
<v Speaker 1>name was called His name was Bill Wise. He talked
<v Speaker 1>about how he had a heart attack in his kitchen.
<v Speaker 1>He went to Hell and he seen a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>demons and that Hell was real, and he wrote this
<v Speaker 1>book and he like preaches all over the world. Really
<v Speaker 1>good speaker. And yeah, I mean the girlfriend that I
<v Speaker 1>was living with at that time, she after we broke up,
<v Speaker 1>she came to my house about two or three days
<v Speaker 1>later and she told me about the sounds from Hell.
<v Speaker 1>Like her brother, which is he's really into church, told
<v Speaker 1>her about these sounds from hell. People from like Russia
<v Speaker 1>were like mining. They dug like these rods into the ground.
<v Speaker 1>You can hear like the sounds of hell. So I
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, I looked it up and it was terrifying.
<v Speaker 1>It sounded like an ocean of people like in pain,
<v Speaker 1>like major pain. I don't know if it's real, but
<v Speaker 1>basically I started hearing boycees one day, this is like
<v Speaker 1>in that timeframe, and my buddy was in the living
<v Speaker 1>room playing call duty and he had like the TV
<v Speaker 1>turned up super loud, so it just sounded like explosions shooting.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm in my computer room, my music room, and
<v Speaker 1>I could hear these voices. So like, I get down
<v Speaker 1>on the ground. I'm trying to find like these sounds.
<v Speaker 1>I got my ear like on the carpet. So I
<v Speaker 1>turn off my computer, I plug everything, and I still
<v Speaker 1>hear these voices. It's like a man and a woman
<v Speaker 1>talking back and forth like I. And eventually, about fifteen
<v Speaker 1>minutes after that, I tell my friend, I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 1>shut off the xbox, like turn off. He's like why,
<v Speaker 1>He's like, come here, and he shuts it off. Dead
<v Speaker 1>quiet in the house, and he sits there with me,
<v Speaker 1>and Brad's just like looking at me. I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 1>I swear I was hearing voices, like I'm not kidding you.
<v Speaker 1>We sit there for about twenty minutes and just nothing.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Brad, Brad, I am telling you. There is
<v Speaker 1>a male like a man and a woman talking and
<v Speaker 1>he's rolling his eyes at me, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>it starts no no, no, no, like we can hear
<v Speaker 1>him talking back and forth, and it sounds like you
<v Speaker 1>went to the principal's office and you're sitting outside the
<v Speaker 1>principal's office and you can hear like your mom and
<v Speaker 1>the principal talking, but you can't hear what they're saying
<v Speaker 1>because the door shut. You can just hear voices. That's
<v Speaker 1>exactly what it sounded like. And he looks at me like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, and sorry, I don't want to hold
<v Speaker 1>you up too long. It's really hard to talk about this,
<v Speaker 1>but all of a sudden, the guitar amp had a
<v Speaker 1>PV guitar amp, like a vintage one. All of a sudden,
<v Speaker 1>this voice comes through it and it's clear as day,
<v Speaker 1>super loud, and it's this Catholic priest talking and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I remember when I went to Hell. He's like I would.
<v Speaker 1>I was drinking. I was smoking. I had like three
<v Speaker 1>bud lights right there, and I had like this ash
<v Speaker 1>tray cigarette. And it was weird because he's like I
<v Speaker 1>was Catholic. I'm Catholic. He's like, I was drinking. I
<v Speaker 1>had the beer right there, and he's like I was smoking.
<v Speaker 1>And then he was talking about how he went to
<v Speaker 1>Hell even though he was a preacher because he disobeyed
<v Speaker 1>God and talking about like he couldn't believe how that happened,
<v Speaker 1>that he was a man of God, like how could
<v Speaker 1>that happen? And it was loud. It was like a
<v Speaker 1>like an African American preacher, like you know, have you
<v Speaker 1>ever heard them like preach, Like it's really really powerful,
<v Speaker 1>but it was loud, like this amp sucked, Like when
<v Speaker 1>I tried to play guitar thrip, it just sounded like horrible.
<v Speaker 1>But for some reason, when that guy was talking, it
<v Speaker 1>was super clear, real loud.
<v Speaker 3>And he started talking about the sounds from Hell. So
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Brad, that's weird.
<v Speaker 1>Like I literally just looked up the sounds from Hell
<v Speaker 1>and then I plug up the computer, turn it on.
<v Speaker 1>I open up YouTube and I type in sounds from
<v Speaker 1>Hell click on the first video. This is no joke.
<v Speaker 1>The synchronicity behind this was shocking, Like it's scared me
<v Speaker 1>to my core. Open up the first video, turn it on,
<v Speaker 1>and it's about the sounds of Hell. It is that
<v Speaker 1>guy that's talking through the amp, the same guy, but
<v Speaker 1>like a different video. And it scared me, like like
<v Speaker 1>I knew that God was trying to talk to me.
<v Speaker 1>He was using like something really evil to shake me up,
<v Speaker 1>like Miguel, if you don't change your life, that's where
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna end up.
<v Speaker 2>Yeahow, and your friend heard all of this too, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he heard it. I could call him right now
<v Speaker 1>and say, Brad, do you remember that day at my house?
<v Speaker 1>And he'd be like yeah, the voice coming through the
<v Speaker 1>amp and the sounds from hell, like he would tell you.
<v Speaker 1>And the crazy thing is Brad would deny this for
<v Speaker 1>about two or three years after that. He would say it,
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that. One day he's like, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>remember that, and he told he told the story just
<v Speaker 1>the same way I didn't. I sometimes wondered, because I'm Catholic,
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it was like Jesus and Mary talking
<v Speaker 1>like about me, like what are we going to do
<v Speaker 1>about him? What do you do that? Or I hate
<v Speaker 1>the confusing with demonic or something evil. I don't know. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but that was a big encounter that really happened, and
<v Speaker 1>it was just weird the synchronicity behind it all.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you can't call that coincidence or there is
<v Speaker 2>no way to explain that in the natural realm. It
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't make sense.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I hate talking about it, Like I try
<v Speaker 1>to shove that in the back of my mind and
<v Speaker 1>I've like regressed these these memories and just like blocked
<v Speaker 1>them out of my mind. And it's done a lot
<v Speaker 1>of bad in my life because like I forget the
<v Speaker 1>chunks of my life and when bad things happen, I
<v Speaker 1>just shut them out. Like I don't know I do.
<v Speaker 1>I Like I struggle with relationships too, Like I can't
<v Speaker 1>handle conflict, which is unhealthy, but it's just like I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to fight, like I don't want to argue,
<v Speaker 1>Like I try to like just keep thinkings civil, and
<v Speaker 1>it like seems like escalate things worse. It's like, oh
<v Speaker 1>my god, I don't know what to do. So I've
<v Speaker 1>struggled in every area of my life. So the best
<v Speaker 1>thing I could figure out to do is just take
<v Speaker 1>care of myself and try to be mindful, try to
<v Speaker 1>like cope with this and find healthy ways to deal
<v Speaker 1>with anxiety when it comes my way. But yeah, for
<v Speaker 1>some reason, like when I experienced bigfoot activity, like it.
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't bother me, it doesn't phaze me.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that was really cool. But like somebody being like,
<v Speaker 1>gel I hate you, I never want to talk to
<v Speaker 1>you again, like sends me like in a panic mode.
<v Speaker 1>So like normal life situations seem to be like really
<v Speaker 1>brutal on me. But things that are like extremely unknown
<v Speaker 1>that would terrify someone else or just like I handle
<v Speaker 1>that a lot better. So I don't know what's wrong
<v Speaker 1>with me. There's probably a lot of things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, the brain's ability to shut certain things out
<v Speaker 2>so that you can cope. That's pretty that's a pretty
<v Speaker 2>cool survival mechanism. But then on the other hand, it
<v Speaker 2>can cause harm because anything that we push down or
<v Speaker 2>try to forget that's still affecting us, even if we're
<v Speaker 2>not conscious of it. Everything is, it's still going to
<v Speaker 2>impact us in some way. And so a lot of
<v Speaker 2>times when people choose not to remember those things, or
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's just you don't even have a choice, you
<v Speaker 2>just don't remember. Like anything in secret, anything in darkness,
<v Speaker 2>is going to hurt you. And so as scary or
<v Speaker 2>heart as it might be, to bring those things to
<v Speaker 2>the light and to work through them, talk with them,
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a spiritual leader or a therapist. It can
<v Speaker 2>get it can feel worse before it gets better. But
<v Speaker 2>that those things that you don't want to remember are
<v Speaker 2>going to continue to impact you and weigh you down
<v Speaker 2>and cause things like anxiety and depression. So I think
<v Speaker 2>it's important to realize that you can't keep things in
<v Speaker 2>darkness and to have everything integrated, and so you can't
<v Speaker 2>have these parts like I'm going to shove this part down,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna not remember this part is going to push
<v Speaker 2>it way back. Then you have these fragmented pieces of
<v Speaker 2>yourself and even though you're not conscious of it, you
<v Speaker 2>could have this anxiety running all the time. And well,
<v Speaker 2>it's because there's these pieces that aren't integrated and healed
<v Speaker 2>and brought to light. You know, anything in darkness isn't
<v Speaker 2>helpful and it isn't going to move you forward.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it's good a deal with things head on,
<v Speaker 1>and if it's something that just causes a lot of
<v Speaker 1>pain that you can't control or fix, then I just
<v Speaker 1>try to separate myself from that, whether it's people or
<v Speaker 1>like situations. And that's what I figured out, is like
<v Speaker 1>when I get myself involved with like negative people or
<v Speaker 1>negative situations, that's what causes this. So I try to
<v Speaker 1>just like steer clear from that. And there's just some
<v Speaker 1>things that you can't handle head on, like you just
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't put yourself through that to begin with. And one
<v Speaker 1>thing I learned I read this last night in the
<v Speaker 1>book called Victory over Darkness, was we're not a victim
<v Speaker 1>of the trauma. We're a victim from the lies that
<v Speaker 1>we believed from the trauma.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like that's true because a lot of
<v Speaker 1>people they believe these negative thoughts that they hear in
<v Speaker 1>their head. Like no one's gonna believe me. People are
<v Speaker 1>gonna think I'm crazy, Like no one will like me,
<v Speaker 1>I'll never be able to do this job. Like you
<v Speaker 1>convent yourself over time and wire your brain to think negatively,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the path that you follow every day, the
<v Speaker 1>neural pathways, or like Jesus says, follow the path, and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times we get way off the path.
<v Speaker 2>M h. Yeah, that's very true, getting to the bottom
<v Speaker 2>of what your beliefs are, what your thoughts are that
<v Speaker 2>you're telling yourself, because those thoughts reinforce the beliefs, and
<v Speaker 2>we don't want to mistrust ourselves, and so well, this
<v Speaker 2>must be true. This feels very true. But that's why
<v Speaker 2>it can be really helpful to talk to someone else,
<v Speaker 2>especially someone who's more trained spiritually or psychologically, to help
<v Speaker 2>you break those down and learn a healthier way to think.
<v Speaker 2>And for some people, yeah, it can be a pretty
<v Speaker 2>transformative thing, but for most people, it's going to take
<v Speaker 2>that consistent effort and that consistent challenging those negative thoughts
<v Speaker 2>and those negative beliefs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of times you put yourself in situations,
<v Speaker 1>like I said earlier, I see this a lot with
<v Speaker 1>like abusive relationships or abusive people. It's like you got
<v Speaker 1>really close to someone but they're like hitting you, they're
<v Speaker 1>calling you awful names, and you think, in your mind,
<v Speaker 1>like this person loves me, they just don't know how
<v Speaker 1>to handle their emotions. But the truth is, it's like
<v Speaker 1>you've convinced yourself that that's what love is, and it's like, no,
<v Speaker 1>that's not good, it's not good for you. These people
<v Speaker 1>struggle just to leave or just to know that it's
<v Speaker 1>not right.
<v Speaker 2>Right, because there's that belief too that I deserve this.
<v Speaker 2>I must deserve this, because why would this person be
<v Speaker 2>doing it if I didn't deserve it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I must have done something wrong.
<v Speaker 2>M M.
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't good enough.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you can easily convince yourself that the intrusive
<v Speaker 1>thoughts or irrational feelings are reality. And I think a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people get caught in that. Nobody is free
<v Speaker 1>from that, like everyone struggles with it. M M.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And to me, it actually does make sense that
<v Speaker 2>you fear conflict or disconnection from people more than you
<v Speaker 2>do some of these paranormal experiences, because those are out
<v Speaker 2>side of yourself there, but these experiences in relationships that's
<v Speaker 2>deeply personal, and if you think about it, relationships are
<v Speaker 2>the basis of health and happiness in life. And God
<v Speaker 2>created us to be in relationship with one another, whether
<v Speaker 2>it's you have the family relationships, those with parents, those
<v Speaker 2>with friends, those with romantic partners, and we are just
<v Speaker 2>built like puzzle pieces. We're meant to fit into that
<v Speaker 2>and so a lot of times like that is the
<v Speaker 2>one thing that people struggle with the most is what's
<v Speaker 2>going to disconnect me from people and conflict all that's
<v Speaker 2>so scary because that disrupts that connection that we need.
<v Speaker 2>And same with God. We need that relationship with God.
<v Speaker 2>It's like the puzzle is not complete unless all those
<v Speaker 2>pieces are together. And yeah, yeah, I agree, And I
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been called certain things, like people try
<v Speaker 1>to diagnose me, like I think you're bipolar. I think
<v Speaker 1>I think you got an avoid attachment style. It's like,
<v Speaker 1>just because I choose not to engage in negativity, that
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I'm avoidant. Like I see red flags, I
<v Speaker 1>avoid them and don't walk into them because later on
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna regret it even more.
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's that's healthy boundaries too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. But overall, I feel like I'm kind of
<v Speaker 1>selfish in a way because I've I've just for so long,
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to take care of my needs. So
<v Speaker 1>I need to learn how to like love others and
<v Speaker 1>not just myself, so.
<v Speaker 2>And both are necessary. I do think when you love
<v Speaker 2>and accept yourself, that's the foundation to have healthier relationships
<v Speaker 2>with other people because we allow people to treat us
<v Speaker 2>a certain way based on how we view ourselves. If
<v Speaker 2>you don't think very highly of yourself and don't think
<v Speaker 2>you deserve good, then you're gonna have relationships with people
<v Speaker 2>who don't treat you well. And so yeah, self love
<v Speaker 2>and acceptance is what God calls us to as well.
<v Speaker 2>You know we love your neighbor as yourself. Well, you
<v Speaker 2>starts up loving yourself first. You can't love someone else
<v Speaker 2>in the way that they should be loved unless you're
<v Speaker 2>loving yourself. And I think that's where so much internal
<v Speaker 2>conflict comes from, is not accepting everything about yourself, accepting
<v Speaker 2>all the mistakes you've made, your failures, the things you
<v Speaker 2>struggle with the most. When you see that as this
<v Speaker 2>integrated whole, like yep, I love myself with all the faults,
<v Speaker 2>with everything I've gone through. And the second piece to
<v Speaker 2>that is we really do heal in relationship with other people.
<v Speaker 2>We don't just go off all alone. We're not this
<v Speaker 2>little island who can just heal. We need other people
<v Speaker 2>and we need God in order to really complete that healing.
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes when we put our focus on other people,
<v Speaker 2>on loving them, on providing for their needs. It the
<v Speaker 2>secondary benefit is we become happier and we become more
<v Speaker 2>fulfilled and life has we're meaning because it isn't about
<v Speaker 2>us anymore, and we receive back, you know, as much
<v Speaker 2>love as you give. It's like that fills your cup
<v Speaker 2>back up. But when you try to just fill your
<v Speaker 2>cup alone, you only get so far and you're only
<v Speaker 2>going to be so happy. Because I do believe our
<v Speaker 2>true calling is to love others and provide for them,
<v Speaker 2>take care of their needs, and it can be a
<v Speaker 2>really transformative experience to do that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely. One of my biggest issues is I like
<v Speaker 1>to isolate myself and I like to be alone. I
<v Speaker 1>feel like I need to, like, I don't know, recharge
<v Speaker 1>the batteries. I can't be around someone for too long.
<v Speaker 1>And that's another issue with me. It's just like I
<v Speaker 1>can't do the same thing all the time. Like I
<v Speaker 1>need my thinking time and I need time to work,
<v Speaker 1>and I need time to do things that make me happy,
<v Speaker 1>whether it's like fishing, hunting, hiking, watching TV, just getting
<v Speaker 1>time to just do something on my own. So it's
<v Speaker 1>hard to like meet other people's needs when I need
<v Speaker 1>to meet my own and just I feel overwhelmed because
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to find time to do things and I
<v Speaker 1>don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody needs they're different recharge times. Some people need
<v Speaker 2>more than others, and there's nothing wrong with that. There
<v Speaker 2>is a lot of benefit to being alone and being
<v Speaker 2>alone with your thoughts and being comfortable with that, and
<v Speaker 2>we can really learn and grow and develop ourselves in
<v Speaker 2>that way. But having that healthy balance too much is
<v Speaker 2>going to I think a lot of times it further
<v Speaker 2>distorts whatever thoughts we have because we don't have that
<v Speaker 2>grounding with being other people hearing their perspectives. We get
<v Speaker 2>too off in our own head and the more isolated
<v Speaker 2>you are, the more the further from reality your beliefs
<v Speaker 2>and thoughts and feelings can become. So yeah, that balance
<v Speaker 2>is going to look different for everyone. But I think
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those things where you can ask God
<v Speaker 2>for direction, like what am I supposed to do right now?
<v Speaker 2>What what do I even need? I don't even know,
<v Speaker 2>and continually asking God for that direction because we can
<v Speaker 2>only understand so much with our human brains anyway, And
<v Speaker 2>you know, God knows our thoughts, He pursues our thoughts
<v Speaker 2>from afar, He knows our going out and are lying down.
<v Speaker 2>He's familiar with all our ways and so he knows
<v Speaker 2>every single move we're going to make. And so I asking, God,
<v Speaker 2>how do I do this? What is it? How do
<v Speaker 2>I heal? How do I resolve anxiety? How do I
<v Speaker 2>go about having relationships? You know? Show me that direction?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree completely, and with what I do with
<v Speaker 1>the channel and the research. I find myself isolated a
<v Speaker 1>lot because I'll be way out in the middle of
<v Speaker 1>this national forest and it's like everyone is out there
<v Speaker 1>enjoying life, hanging out, and I'm out here looking for bigfoot.
<v Speaker 3>Middle there's no sound.
<v Speaker 1>I could be attacked by some wild animal and nobody
<v Speaker 1>would even know that I'm gone. And a lot of times,
<v Speaker 1>you know, people have to work. So when I do
<v Speaker 1>like these investigations, it's on the weekend, and it's like, man,
<v Speaker 1>I'm using my weekend to look for bigfoot. Everyone out
<v Speaker 1>there is living, hanging out, their family, socializing. It's just
<v Speaker 1>like I find myself out there in the middle of nowhere,
<v Speaker 1>miles and miles away from my home, Like what am
<v Speaker 1>I doing?
<v Speaker 3>What am I even doing?
<v Speaker 1>But I just hope that there is some purpose behind
<v Speaker 1>it all, because just like with the channel, how I
<v Speaker 1>prayed it all came together. And the strange thing was,
<v Speaker 1>I used to own a recording studio and when I
<v Speaker 1>left that, like the band my old life, I had
<v Speaker 1>all this equipment. I'm like, great, I spent thousands and
<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars on equipment for no reason, and I
<v Speaker 1>got into the deer hunting thing and I was going
<v Speaker 1>to sell film. I used all that for my channel.
<v Speaker 1>Like all of a sudden, I was like, what do
<v Speaker 1>I do? Oh? I filmed these things. Oh, I started podcast.
<v Speaker 1>So I already had like all the equipment and I
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know it. I'm like, man, somehow all this
<v Speaker 1>worked out.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm hoping, praying that somehow me.
<v Speaker 1>Looking for these creatures, trying to find evidence, following up
<v Speaker 1>on people's reports has a bigger meaning, and I feel
<v Speaker 1>like it will. I feel like something BIG's going to
<v Speaker 1>happen and everything's going to fall into place. M h.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. We The more that we try to have
<v Speaker 2>control over our life and orchestrate each piece and plan
<v Speaker 2>it all out, I think the less likely it is
<v Speaker 2>going to work out. And when you give that to
<v Speaker 2>God and you follow his lead and you ask for
<v Speaker 2>that guidance and direction and do what he calls you
<v Speaker 2>to do. Then we don't have to worry about the
<v Speaker 2>outcome because the whole point is to follow that direction.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with that for sure. And one main
<v Speaker 1>question that I have before we wrap it up, because
<v Speaker 1>I know you have a lot to do. You're a
<v Speaker 1>busy person, you got kids, you got a job, and
<v Speaker 1>maintain is okay. So we talked about last time, how
<v Speaker 1>do people cope with a bigfoot encounter? But how I
<v Speaker 1>explain my experiences with you? It's not just bigfoot, it's
<v Speaker 1>other cryptids, it's paranormal activity seeing like shadow people, aliens,
<v Speaker 1>hell hounds. What do people do if they encounter all
<v Speaker 1>of this? There's no answer for that, But what do
<v Speaker 1>you what do you think? How do you think a
<v Speaker 1>person should handle that and maintain a regular life.
<v Speaker 2>Well? I do think the most important thing is to
<v Speaker 2>talk to someone about it, because trying to deal with
<v Speaker 2>that on your own is too much. And these channels
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of outlets for that. You could connect
<v Speaker 2>with you know, people like you or the subscribers, or
<v Speaker 2>if you're religious, find a church with someone you could
<v Speaker 2>talk to. Look on psychologytoday dot com to find a
<v Speaker 2>therapist who aligns with your views. It's I do think
<v Speaker 2>it's really important to externalize that you can't hold these
<v Speaker 2>things in and try to cope with it on your
<v Speaker 2>own because it is too big. And yeah, so I
<v Speaker 2>think that's the first step. And if you're religious, I
<v Speaker 2>think turning to God reading scripture that can be really
<v Speaker 2>really helpful. If you're not religious, then yeah, maybe going
<v Speaker 2>the therapist route, finding someone who will validate you, give
<v Speaker 2>you some good coping skills. Yeah, figuring out a way
<v Speaker 2>to integrate this into your life, because when you have
<v Speaker 2>this experience that you are compartmentalizing over here. Anytime you
<v Speaker 2>compartmentalize something because it's too hard to process, that tells
<v Speaker 2>you that you need to find someone to help you
<v Speaker 2>through that. That's just how we're made. Humans are very communal.
<v Speaker 2>We are a very relationship based and it takes someone
<v Speaker 2>to help get you through that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Definitely, speak with somebody,
<v Speaker 1>seek the word of God, and try to find a
<v Speaker 1>supportive like a support system. Maybe along the way people
<v Speaker 1>will find like minded individuals that have had the same experiences.
<v Speaker 1>And one thing I could, like, I don't know, assume
<v Speaker 1>or figure out that's a bit of truth behind all
<v Speaker 1>of this, because there doesn't seem to be an answer
<v Speaker 1>no matter where you go, even if you do find
<v Speaker 1>other people with the same experiences, you're still left with
<v Speaker 1>why did this happen to me? The part the verse
<v Speaker 1>in the Bible that says for our struggles not against
<v Speaker 1>flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities,
<v Speaker 1>against the powers of this dark world, and against the
<v Speaker 1>spiritual forces of evil and heavenly realms. And I feel
<v Speaker 1>like people are in spiritual warfare, like this is real.
<v Speaker 1>It's no joke, and just because you can't see it
<v Speaker 1>does not mean it's real. And you have to live
<v Speaker 1>by the spirit, not by the flesh, and just have
<v Speaker 1>faith and that's something good will come out of it,
<v Speaker 1>because God does use evil for good and it is
<v Speaker 1>a battle for our soul. And I think maybe a
<v Speaker 1>lot of patience that you've spoke with, like maybe they're
<v Speaker 1>just not getting better or something's just wrong, Like it
<v Speaker 1>feels like there's something spiritual, like you're helping them, but
<v Speaker 1>there's only so much you can do, there's only so
<v Speaker 1>much that they can do. So I think in some cases,
<v Speaker 1>like you just got to have faith in God because
<v Speaker 1>if you lose that, life can get much darker.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, yes, I yeah, it's hard to answer for
<v Speaker 2>people who don't have that belief. I know for myself,
<v Speaker 2>understanding the depth of evil is what brought me back
<v Speaker 2>to my relationship with God and really delving into scripture
<v Speaker 2>because once you really understand how evil this world is,
<v Speaker 2>and when you open this door to the paranormal, the
<v Speaker 2>only way to deal with that is spiritually because it's
<v Speaker 2>it's obviously a spiritual realm. These creatures are flesh and blood,
<v Speaker 2>but they're also spiritual and it can really help. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you can only fight that spiritual entity with the spirit
<v Speaker 2>of God, and that's the only thing that's more powerful
<v Speaker 2>than any of these things, because He created all and
<v Speaker 2>he reiterates all through the Bible that He is the
<v Speaker 2>most powerful. And so finding comfort in that, and I
<v Speaker 2>mean just going to the scripture, there's so much in
<v Speaker 2>there that helps make sense of this stuff, that helps
<v Speaker 2>give comfort, that gives direction, that gives you that armor.
<v Speaker 2>So maybe if you're not a Christian or religious in
<v Speaker 2>any way, maybe just give it a try. See what
<v Speaker 2>the Bible has to say. Yeah, look at I believe
<v Speaker 2>if Phesian six is what you quoted from. I appreciated
<v Speaker 2>the NIV version, that's my favorite. But things like Psalm
<v Speaker 2>ninety one about finding comfort in God and when you
<v Speaker 2>know you feel like the darkness is surrounding you, there's
<v Speaker 2>ways to deal with that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing. Even people in the Bible went
<v Speaker 1>through what we experience. Like David in the Bible, he's
<v Speaker 1>talking about like, God, why have you abandoned me? Why
<v Speaker 1>don't you hear me? I feel like I'm in a
<v Speaker 1>dark place. And I'm not quoting exactly, but that's pretty
<v Speaker 1>much what he's saying. And then towards the end he's like,
<v Speaker 1>God is good. God hears our prayers. And it was
<v Speaker 1>the same way with Job, like Job was crying out
<v Speaker 1>to God like he doesn't hear me, He's done all
<v Speaker 1>these bad things to me. And towards the end, God
<v Speaker 1>answers him and takes him up in a whirlwind and
<v Speaker 1>pretty much says that he misrepresented him, and then all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden he's like, Okay, God's good. So we
<v Speaker 1>find ourselves struggling with this thinking God's not picking up
<v Speaker 1>the phone that we're in his waiting room. But even
<v Speaker 1>Big figures in the Bible were in that same position,
<v Speaker 1>And I mean even Jesus on the cross, like he's
<v Speaker 1>hanging there wondering like God, why have you abandoned me?
<v Speaker 1>Why have you forsaken me? Crying? And the end, God
<v Speaker 1>uses it for good and there's a higher purpose behind
<v Speaker 1>it all.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, we can't try to understand everything that's going
<v Speaker 2>on right now with ourselves or with the world. I
<v Speaker 2>think sometimes, well, there's nothing wrong with trying to understand,
<v Speaker 2>but understanding that that's not the end game. Like we
<v Speaker 2>do not understand God. I think that it's from one
<v Speaker 2>of the psalms. How precious to me are your thoughts
<v Speaker 2>of God? Or how vast are the some of them?
<v Speaker 2>If I were to count them, they would outnumber the
<v Speaker 2>grains of sand. So it's just like we cannot possibly
<v Speaker 2>understand what God's intention is sometimes or what his plans
<v Speaker 2>are for our life. We just have to trust. And
<v Speaker 2>that's what faith is, stepping out not knowing at all
<v Speaker 2>if it's going to work out, how it's going to
<v Speaker 2>work out, but you trust God and He'll provide for you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And the paranormal experiences that I describe to you,
<v Speaker 1>that's what brought me closer to God because it was like,
<v Speaker 1>surely that evil thing that was in my house, if
<v Speaker 1>that's real, no doubt my mind, Like God exists, he
<v Speaker 1>is real. I mean I've never spoken with him, and
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen an angel, but I know I've seen
<v Speaker 1>evil in physical form. So it's like, Okay, if all
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is real there, that means God is real
<v Speaker 1>for sure, without a doubt.
<v Speaker 2>And yet that's.
<v Speaker 1>What I was gonna say, is like that's the biggest
<v Speaker 1>tactic the devil uses, and it's a battle for our
<v Speaker 1>minds between God and Satan. And this is what I've heard.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's true that Satan can implant
<v Speaker 1>thoughts in your mind. He doesn't know what you're thinking.
<v Speaker 1>Only God knows what you're thinking. But the devil's able
<v Speaker 1>to put thoughts in your mind, and he uses negative
<v Speaker 1>thoughts to achieve his goal in his endgame. So you
<v Speaker 1>have to use the word of God to get those
<v Speaker 1>negative thoughts out of your mind, Like I'm not good enough.
<v Speaker 1>God doesn't love me, God doesn't hear me. Those are
<v Speaker 1>all things that he uses to lead you away from
<v Speaker 1>Christ and even people that don't believe in the Bible.
<v Speaker 1>Hear those thoughts like I'm not good enough. You don't
<v Speaker 1>have to be a religious person to hear that nobody
<v Speaker 1>cares about me. I'll never be able to get that job.
<v Speaker 1>Life sucks, like if you believe that over time, that's
<v Speaker 1>what your life becomes, right, Okay, yeah, I can hear you.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, Yeah. And I think I mentioned this last
<v Speaker 2>time too that sometimes I think, and there's nothing wrong
<v Speaker 2>with thinking this, that I will pray to God. I
<v Speaker 2>have faith that He will heal me or help me
<v Speaker 2>through this thing. But He also puts tools and people
<v Speaker 2>in our place sometimes to help us through those So
<v Speaker 2>that could come through therapy, it could come through well.
<v Speaker 2>Living a life in balance. Are you caring for your
<v Speaker 2>body as if it's the Holy Temple? Are you being active? Eating? Right?
<v Speaker 2>I mean all of those things if you think about it.
<v Speaker 2>God said our body is like the Holy Temple, and
<v Speaker 2>to treat it with that kind of respect and love.
<v Speaker 2>And so I mean all all balance in our life, physical, mental, spiritual.
<v Speaker 2>It comes through health or you know, like taking care
<v Speaker 2>of yourself, living a healthy life is to the best
<v Speaker 2>that you can, but being conscious about making those changes
<v Speaker 2>because God, you know, like makes our bodies so intricately,
<v Speaker 2>and so when things are in balance, we're going to
<v Speaker 2>feel better spiritually, physically, all of that.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean, I feel like a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>just try one thing and say I don't feel better,
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe they'll get a therapist and they're like, I
<v Speaker 1>feel like one percent better. But it's a multitude of
<v Speaker 1>habits that you have to continue doing. So get a
<v Speaker 1>therapist that raise it up one percent. Start taking vitamins
<v Speaker 1>and eat healthy that raises it another two or three percent.
<v Speaker 1>Work out just even if it's hiking or just doing
<v Speaker 1>daily walks. Find some good friends, only keep positive people
<v Speaker 1>in your life. Find a job even if you only
<v Speaker 1>work two hours a week who cares like, find something,
<v Speaker 1>and all of that builds up. So I feel like
<v Speaker 1>mental health is an accumulation of many bad habits that
<v Speaker 1>have been taking place over time to where eventually you
<v Speaker 1>find yourself in a dark place. And that's another thing
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Satan uses is our habits. We start
<v Speaker 1>forming these horrible habits and then you find yourself living
<v Speaker 1>in a living hell essentially. Yeah, but yeah, I feel
<v Speaker 1>like we've given enough information for the people that have
<v Speaker 1>had these experiences to find some hope, and it's stuff
<v Speaker 1>that you've already heard before, stuff you already know. We're
<v Speaker 1>just reinforcing it. And that's what you'll find if you
<v Speaker 1>look into therapy, if you look in the Bible, it's
<v Speaker 1>stuff that you already know, but it's bringing it to
<v Speaker 1>the forefront of your mind and making you mindful of
<v Speaker 1>what you need to do. Because everybody's they've all heard
<v Speaker 1>you need to eat vegetables, you need a healthy exercise
<v Speaker 1>is good, but until you actually do it, then you
<v Speaker 1>actually feel the benefit of it. All right, at least
<v Speaker 1>you're said than done too right, right.
<v Speaker 2>But to see it as this isn't just because it's
<v Speaker 2>healthy for me, but I am. When you are a
<v Speaker 2>better version of yourself, then it benefits those around you.
<v Speaker 2>And when you take care of yourself, you're saying, God,
<v Speaker 2>I respect this body and this life that you've given me.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it can help to reframe it. You should
<v Speaker 2>do this because we don't like to do what we're
<v Speaker 2>told to do. But when you can think of it
<v Speaker 2>more and like, I want to do this because I
<v Speaker 2>feel better and because it's better for me and those around.
<v Speaker 1>Me, yeahsolutely. And sometimes if all you can do is
<v Speaker 1>nothing then just do nothing. That can only last. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that can only last so long. So m it is
<v Speaker 1>what it is. But yet, do you have anything else
<v Speaker 1>that you'd like to add, anything you'd like to share.
<v Speaker 2>Nothing that comes to mind at the moment.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, it was definitely therapeutic speaking with you, and
<v Speaker 1>I really do appreciate you for taking the time out
<v Speaker 1>of your life to help me and try to.
<v Speaker 3>Guide me in the right direction.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm a lost soul, a sheep that's
<v Speaker 1>been separated from the herd, and I'm just looking for
<v Speaker 1>my way back.
<v Speaker 2>And we all like sheep or have gone astray. So yeah,
<v Speaker 2>God is going to use that. He's going to use
<v Speaker 2>the hardship, and you just allow him to use you
<v Speaker 2>any will.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And one thing I'd like to add is, like
<v Speaker 1>I have thought for years, like I wish, sorry, I
<v Speaker 1>wish there was a therapist that I could talk to
<v Speaker 1>about Bigfoot and you in the comments here we are
<v Speaker 1>talked about God and how to help other people. It's weird.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's awesome. I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And it's a blessing to speak with you,
<v Speaker 1>and you're a really good person, and I really do
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you. I hope the best for you and your family,
<v Speaker 1>and if you ever need to talk with me about anything,
<v Speaker 1>feel free to do so. I'm not sure if I'm
<v Speaker 1>too helpful, but it's good to have any here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll be in we'll be in touch for sure.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, God bless you, Rebecca, and I really appreciate
<v Speaker 1>your time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're welcome you as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, take care.
<v Speaker 2>Bye bye bye