49ers-Cardinals MNF Recap + Six All-Time YAC Bros (with Jason Zumwalt)

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Speaker 1: Samuel gets Williams in front of my youth pocket deep. Then Sean touchdown plays no flags. Another one for San Francisco. What's on? He's got his session touchdowns forty Niners. Here's Kurds, George Kurdell, touch JOm forty Niners. So many touchdowns to choose from, we couldn't get to them all. Thirty eight to tend the San Francisco forty Niners drop a hammer on the Cardinals. The outscored him twenty one to nothing in the second half of this game. By the end, we had Trace mc sorley and a man named Black Purty in the game. We've also got a man named Jason Zumwall. On the show tonight, I'm Greg Rosenthal. We're gonna get to uh six yak bros All time yak Bros. Later in the show yards after catch receivers that I've enjoyed watching. But first we're gonna make poor Jason discuss a game in which his team, the Arizona Cardinals, lost thirty eight to ten. And if you're not familiar with Jason, just listen to the start of every show on our Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday shows. You'll hear his voice. It's the voice of God. Jason Zumwall. How are you doing, buddy. I'm I'm at a tipping point in my life right now. Greg, I gotta be honest with you. Um, it's difficult right now being an Arizona sports fan. Uh, not that it's ever not been difficult being an Arizona sports fan. Um, I get in this argument with Dan a lot. You know who has it worse. You know, he has a Super Bowl I don't care if he wasn't alive when it happened. His team has one. Now that doesn't count. It doesn't matter if you're not alive. But yeah, that's a fair point. Are wearing an Arizona Cardinals scarf and uh in Arizona Cardinals winter hat. I believe you've traveled to Boston and you're doing this in your in law's house close to midnight. So once again, yeah, thank you for reliving this pain because it was ugly. Yeah, it was. It couldn't have been more ugly. It was. It was a nightmare. UM. I guess, like, the the most you can hope for when you have your backup playing behind uh nothing but backups on the offensive line, is that you're not totally embarrassed. Uh. And then like you know, if you're lucky, you win. Well. Uh, this was like falling down the stairs with your pants, stand around your ankles and your butt out in the moonlight, landing face first and dog pood. This was embarrassing. I mean it was close at the first half. It was seventeen to ten, and all the stats actually were even. Really the difference in the first half of the game was James Conner uh weirdly going for a one handed catch on a pass that he didn't need to and that turning into an interception. Other than that, you know, you kind of saw the Colt McCoy feistinus that they're moving the ball down. They they forced a couple of punts early from the forty niners, but then the forty niners uh wound up scoring oh six times in their next seven possessions for a total of thirty eight points. Most of them were touchdowns. It was embarrassing. The Cardinals defense had no shot. We will get to what it's like being a Cardinals fan and where the Cardinals are right now, because it's ugly. It's four and there, four and seven. If we didn't fork them before. I don't remember if we did or not. We can fork them, okay, you remember they have they have a fork. Uh. The Hard Knocks episode is going to be ugly. But I I make the mistake of asking a guest that's a fan or covers a team on pretty often on this Monday night show, and every single time that team has lost, and then the fans of the winning team complain that we didn't talk about the relevant team, and in this case especially the forty Niners are truly the relevant team. So we're gonna talk forty Niners for a while. And uh, and what they're looking like it's crazy to me is um, Well, I know you've watched this team a lot. You're big NFC West guy, and they're a past first team right now, which is weird. I know they traded for Christian McCaffrey and Elijah Mitchell had some nice runs tonight, but they're a past first team and it's a very concentrated past first team. Only four players on the Forts caught passes tonight. George Kettle goes for f eighty four and two touchdowns. McCaffrey kills you in the passing game. He's just kind of the checkdown guy. When Jimmy G can't find an open receiver, you find McCaffrey for seven or eight yards. Deebo Samuel had seven for seven fifty seven along with that long run, and then I you had to touchdowns. It's crazy to me that I think moving forward, even though they tried to get rid of Jimmy G, they are gonna be balanced that worse and maybe a past first type of team because of the talent that they have. You know, at one point, I was just kind of watching the game and I was like, uh, Brandon Aiyu he's great. I remember when he was in Arizona Sun Devil in the same neighborhood as the Cardinals. And what did they do? Who did they pick up instead of Brandon aiyuk? Oh? It is Isaiah's Simmons. Yay, we have failed again. Yeah, the forty Niners are um an absolute beast. And and you did bring up that it looks you know, it was like, what could happen here? The Cardinals look feisty, there's Colt McCoy, he's slinging, he's getting it out fast, and the guys look lively. It was that pass to James corner where everything just like the wheels just kicked off, But something would have happened regardless, because I think if you played this game ten times, especially at altitude, where it just felt like the Cardinals ran out of gas and the Forts have been training at altitude, I think that was a smart move by them. But it doesn't I don't think any of that matters because Vance Joseph's done a good op scheming against the forty Niners over the years. You can't blame it on the coaches. They've actually won three out of the last four against forty Niners over the last couple of years, sometimes with underman talent. I just don't think this Cardinals defense has enough good players. And I think right now the forty Niners are almost in like early October if they were a normal team, because they've been waiting for this offensive line, who had no experience to come together, they've been waiting to get healthy. They bring in McCaffrey, Garoppolo, you know, didn't start to start the season or have a training camp, and it's almost like they're just starting to figure out what they can be, and what they can be is an offense that gets the ball out of Garoppolo's hands quickly and then someone makes a play after the catch. The Cardinals did not want to tackle, uh these guys that the effort on the second Kittle touchdown was embarrassing, but even on other plays, like it's just hard to get these guys down, And I don't think that's a Cardinals problem. I just think that's gonna be a problem for every In the forty Niners play, it just felt like the whole time, even in the first half, when the forty Niners and uh, we're kind of uh playing even with the Cardinals, um that at some point they were just going to pull away. It just never really looked to me like the Cardinals really had a chance to here. And I don't know if it had anything to do with the altitude. I I was upset when I found out that the Cardinals didn't show up to Mexico until I think yesterday, Um, the fourth, Like you said, the forty Niners were in Colorado this whole week practicing. There's like little details that go into this that you know, you can say you can't blame the coaches, but at the same time, it's like, why weren't they in Colorado? Why were they up in Flagstaff? I mean, come on, that's like two hours away from you, guys, Like it was just good and good good uh Arizona knowledge thereography. Yeah, I was trying to think of the perfect word for it. I couldn't come up with it. But only you would know, Like where's the altitude Arizona place to go? Do? No, the bidwells. That just doesn't seem like something they would do. That doesn't seem like something Cliff Kingsbury would do. I mean, you can definitely blame coaches in that. I think the Cardinals are an inferior coaching staff and they're not run as well in terms of finding players that fit their scheme sticking with the Like when they drafted Iu, I didn't quite see it, and then you watch him do the route that he did on that first touchdown and you're like, Wow, this guy is so talented. He didn't even need to make plays after the catch. And you find all of these guys that fit a certain mold, and Kyle Shanahan knows how to use them, and McCaffrey fits into that mold. And for the second straight week he wasn't even the leading rusher in terms of attempts or yards. That was Mitchell who went nine for fifty nine. They didn't even need to run the ball that much. Debo had that thirty nine yard run that was just perfectly drawn up and perfectly blocked. And you've got you know, the backup tight end Croft, you know, making plays down the field. They're just really well coached in terms of their blocking scheme, and the talent is the best I think that the forty Niners have had. And it's hard not to watch them and think they're better off with Jimmy and that this version of Jimmy is back to the type of version because he doesn't have a bum shoulder, and it's back to the or version because he doesn't have to do much. Like that offense has very specific answers. I used to do a show with with Andrew Hawkins, who was in that offense under Kyle Shanan, and he's like, they just want quarterbacks to not make any interpretation. They're not doing choice routes for the receivers where they can get It's like, this is the right place to go to the ball one, two, three. If it's not, they're just eat it and and just like don't improvise at all, and you could kind of see how good Jimmy Garoppolo is in the system on that touchdown to Ayuk Maurice Jones who thought that was the fourth read on that progression and he got to a Uk in about two and a half three seconds. So Jimmy G's not a top ten quarterback, but he is good at some things, and he's been in this system so long that he can beat up kind of an overmatched Cardinals defense. Well, look when he has all the time in the world to you know, just sit back there and go through four reads, you know eventually something is good. But it wasn't even that long. He got to it in like two and a half three seconds. I think that was what was amazing. But you're right, the Cardinals have not had any pass rush whatsoever all year. J. J. Watt is still their best pass rusher, I would say, on balance, which is not not great at this point. No, it's not great. I don't know, man, you know, it's just uh, they just looked like a total buzz saw tonight and they had just cut right through the Cardinals and um, that second half was just it just felt, like I said, inevitable it was just like this boulder rolling downhill, you know, when the Cardinals were doing their best to stay out of it, you know, and get their shots in when they could. But eventually that thing was just gonna pick up game and just smash us in the phase. And then it did in such an embarrassing international way, multiple multiple countries. I know the UK audience was watching it on Channel five and and enjoying the beta. The forty Niners are a team though, that I think have entertaining blowouts. I've been expecting this team to look like this more often this season than actually they have. And it's interesting that they've mostly done it in their division games, which usually think like, okay, the other coaches know them well, but they've looked at their best in these division games. They blew the doors off the Seahawks in Week two, they crushed the Rams both times. Uh, and now this game against the Cardinals, who generally have had their numbers. If you look ahead at their schedule, they have the Saints, then they have a tough three games Dolphins, Bucks and at Seattle that's kind of the key part of the rest of their schedule, and then three forgiving games to finish Commanders playing better, and then at Las Vegas and Cardinals they're at six and four. Now kind of where do you see them in the NFC picture overall? Because to me, I kind of look at them, the Eagles and the Cowboys as the best three teams on paper. The Forts are now tied for the division lead. They have the tie breaker over Seattle, so technically they're the three seat. They'll have to go win the division. But I think that's very doable. And to me, I look at that schedule and I don't see more than one maybe two losses and and eleven and six, twelve and five probably gets it done. As much as I love the fighting genos up in Seattle, yeah, I would say minimum uh ten wins? Like minimum? Way they don't get ten wins? Um, So yeah, they're they're beast and uh I for one am am sick of them not getting over the hump with this. Uh I just want to see it happen. I just want to watch you do as a division rival you do because I feel like this is a nightmare scenario for the Cardinals in many ways, it also a nightmare scenario for the Ramsey just won a Super Bowl and then they could watch their rivals go win one the next year. I really do think that the NFC playoff picture has has more than one contender, but I don't see anyone that should be seen as a as a higher favorite than San Francisco. I maybe give only the tiniest of edges to Philadelphia because they're more likely to have a buy, but that's it. Otherwise, on a neutral field, they seem pretty equal. Well, okay, so they're they're built to win the NFC West, right from the top to the bottom. They're built to win NFC West. That's that's what they focus on. And there are two games away from sweeping it, right, isn't that right? Yeah, they have to beat the Seahawks again and the Cardinals. The Cardinals in Week eighteen. The only way the Cardinals are winning that game is if the forty Niners are resting starters. Yeah, oh gosh, yeah that's true. That's true, and maybe we'll get another win, Greg, but um, it's just kind of forgot my point. But it's just okay, here's here. Here. It is the only way, the only thing at this point that is going to kind of get them off my radar and make me fear them less. Is a Super Bowl hangover? Does that make sense? I want them to win a Super Bowl and then suck the next year like the Rams did. That's about as dark as uh as it gets. You can hope for them to lose before Yeah, they could. They could certainly blow it again in the NFC playoffs, but the difference between them uh in in most teams out there. But I would not put the Eagles and Cowboys in this mix. And we'll see Seattle. Seattle's got a long way to go, but we we can see is they could win a game with a totally dominant offensive performance. Now we we just know that they could put up thirty five on a bad defense, and there's not that many offenses like that, and they can win a game with a totally dominant defensive performance. I know they had the hiccup against the Chiefs, but Nick Bosa was getting after tonight. Fred Warner's back to having a great season. They really know how to coach up players in the secondary chart. Various ward is you know, suddenly a shut down corner for them, But then they just bring in guys that you don't know well and they fit them into their system. So they're big, they're mean, they're scary, and uh, this was a game for everyone to realize that, Yeah they're six and four, but they feel a lot more like a seven and three or eight and two team. Let's let's talk a little Cardinals though, because they're there are four and seven team, and I feel like for most of the season they've actually felt worse than their record. Now there four and seven, maybe it's caught up. They almost are more of a three and eight team to me, I mean, because they want a couple of those games early. Uh, in tough situations. They've signed Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kim who've made these these picks that you're disappointed with. Through seven, Kyler Murray's out again with the hamstring injury. It wouldn't be surprising if we don't see him until after the Cardinals by although this performance maybe you know, gets them to push him to come back earlier. We'll see. Just like where they're done for this season? Where where do you? I don't know, where where are you at? With this regime which seems to be less and less promising every year. It feels like they're not going to go away this year. It feels like they're all going to get called into the principal's office and yelled at at the end of this season, you know, probably for the fifte time um during this season, and their ass is going to be on the line one last time. They'll have one last chance to get this together. I just feel like they wrote on their laurels based off of seven and oh and oh, if you know Kyler didn't get hurt, and if if this didn't happen, if that day everybody's back healthy, now everything's gonna be great. We're gonna roll, guys. But they didn't count on the fact that the NFL will watch what you do and learned from it, Like the entire NFL just decided to not let giant plays happen anymore from quarterbacks like Kyler Murray. So so he's having to throw everything underneath he you know, even when he gets away and and breaks off, he can't get he can't get very far. Um. It's a dingen d offense. They It's it's crazy to imagine them resting on laurels when they were a disaster down the stretch last year. You know, that embarrassing playoff loss which you were at right, Dan brought you as his guest. Do you think he wore the scarf and this hat? Do you think that was cruel of him? Um? As my children, we're jumping in elation at Kyler just throwing a ball up with his eyes closed to a Rams defender to make it twenty one nothing in the first half. Do you think it was cruel for him to bring you to that scenario? I think that Dan has a dark side, and I think we all know that. UM. I think that if you look deep down in his soul, he wants nothing but to crush the people closest to him uh and then be the man who brings them back up. He wants to be your your destroyer and your hero all at once. That said, I think Dan was just doing a buddy of solid and it's I think it's more of that. But that was not discount how evil that was a dark interpretation. But I enjoyed it. This this Cardinals team, it's crazy that it's just crazy that they signed everyone long term after that and that they didn't just and people were like, oh, it was going to be a contract here. First of all, there's no rule against uh a middling GM going down to contract here. No one's coming after Steam come. It's fine if he's on the hot seat. It saves you money. Second of all, the fact that they made it for five years when they could have made it for one year or three years was wild. I want I want Steve Kim's agent. I don't know if he acts as his own agent. Maybe he does a lot of those executives too. It was crazy and everyone first guest and the crazy part of it is this Kyler Murray offense and now that he's out again with the hamstring injury, I think it's a reminder that they're just kind of reliving the Cliff Kingsbury era and all of their seasons over in miniature this season. And here's how it goes. Well, we're gonna try to not have Kyler just rely on his legs, and then we're just gonna have Cliffs Cliffs station to station offense that goes five six yards per play that we think Colt McCoy can run just as well, but it's boring and it that actually doesn't really work. Uh, then we're gonna need at some point because we realized we needed Kyler to just start running and create and then that'll start working for a while, and then he'll hurt his hamstring and then we'll kind of be back in the same place. You nailed it. I mean, that's when when they made those signings. When they made those signings, the first thing that popped into my head was five wins, eight wins, ten wins, And that's the only thing you're gonna look at. You're just looking at the number of wins going up each season, and therefore we're trending in the right direction. Like when they put up the stat tonight with Kingsbury's win percentage the first seven games from Texas Tech and the Cardinals, and then after that it was so startingly, startingly close and tragic. I was like, what do you do, Greg, what do you do? How do you get to these people? I've looked at Mike Bidwell in the face. I had the pleasure of meeting him. He's a smart man. You can tell he's a smart man. But I think that the problem is they get too close to the people around them. They are a family, and they have people come up. Steve Kime, he came up within the system. He was you know, he was a part of that family for a very long time, and I think it's show friends versus show business, and they just don't know how to draw that line. But you can see it on Hard Knocks. What I've enjoyed this season of Hard Knocks so far, I think it might lose some steam in a couple of weeks. I think this episode will be interesting to me, and then I might start to lose interest because I find the tension and the way you learn about a little bit what Kyler is like behind the scenes interesting. You see come up there and he's he's the owner's best friend. Basically, they're going through these games together and you and you think about, Okay, well now you can see how he's lasted so long. But you mentioned the Isaiah Simmons pick in the Zaven Collins pick, and they've had a lot of injuries this year on the offensive line. They should be given some credit. It it's just like it doesn't match up. I'm not sure exactly what types of players they're looking for on defense. I'm not sure. Okay, what is it. It's called the Tragedy of Daryl Washington. I think that that was his name, right, He was a pro bowler and then not yes, um uh, he was an amazing player. He was all over the place. He was our Mike, he was a stud, he had an amazing twitch. West loved him some. Daryl Washington he was he was my favorite player. And then he had his problems with drugs and spousal abuse and he was out and it was gone. And I think that Daryl was a part of that family. And I think ever since he's left, they have been looking for players like him, players that didn't really seem to be a mold part of a mold. First, they went for Hassan Reddick, right, a guy who didn't look like he should be an edge rusher, but he had all of these other skills, so they wanted to put him all over different places. Then they went after there was someone in between him and Isaiah Zaven Collins who they just wanted to give the mic position to immediately, overlooking all veterans on the team. I think that something about Darryl washington Um being taken away from them. They've been searching for that kind of magic ever since. And I think maybe they thought they had it with Honey Badger for a while. Dion big Cannon, I think, is the guy that you're you're thinking of and you could throw Kim DJ not one of those type of players, but was kind of is actually one of those players because he was he was different, he was different, he's he thought differently. Right in Buddha Baker would be a good example of one that actually hit that also fits this profile. And is there you know, best player on defense? I would say, now, but you're right, these first round picks under come. Did he take Jonathan Cooper or did he start with Dion Buchanan? Did he did? Wait? Either way DJ D Buchanan, And he was another one. He's another one that was exactly like that. That's what I'm saying. DJ Humphries, who's worked out good good pick, not amazing, but good pick. Kim d J Hassan Reddick who they didn't know how to use and his look better away from Arizona, Josh Roseen Kyler, Murray Isaiah Simmons, Zaven Collins, and Cliff Kingsbury. I mean that's Steve Kimes pick two. And I just don't see Cliff as a guy who's ever gonna kind of get out of his own way in terms of being able to be flexible to match up to specific opponents and come up with different plank gamelins. He he does what he does, he fits players into different slots. That's why they look much better with DeAndre Hopkins. Everyone would, but it's like they need that. It was almost like watching Greg dortche tonight go for nine and for one oh three. It's like, he's clearly one of your three best receivers on offense. Why can't you figure out how to have him on the field while ron Dale Moore is on the field, You're the only coach in the league would be like, what, you can only have one of those types of great slot players. He could be, but it's because he has this sort of static offense which operates the same wage time, and he's like, well, if ron Dale's in, that takes up the doorge roll, Whereas any other coach would be like, I have no receivers. I need to get both of these guys on the field and figure out how to use them together and change what I do. And he doesn't change. And that's why I think there's actually a chance Cliff won't be back next year because Kyler is not going anywhere with that contract obviously, and maybe they give Cliff another year depending on how the rest of this year goes. But I think they're gonna want to see Kyler in a different offense at some point, that's all. Yeah. It is scary though, when when you when it comes to losing Cliff, because Cliff does Cliff does see Kyler as being kind of the proto type version of the quarterback that he wants, and in some ways, I think the worst thing that could have happened for Cliff as the head coach of the Cardinals and the play caller is Kyler getting hurt and Colt McCoy stepping up and playing as well as he did last week because he played to a t Kingsbury's he played fine, like he gets yeah, he gets rid of the ball quickly. He did a good job of that tonight in the first half, making some plays on third and seven going to the hot receivers when Kyler, who knows if he would have done it. He's had great games against great forty nine defense in the past, so I'm not gonna say Kyler couldn't have done that. He would do it with his legs, but I think you see the limitations of that. It's five to six yards per attempt, whether it's cliff, whether it's Kyler or Colt McCoy. And you saw tonight, Uh, the well kind of ran dry there in the second half. They didn't have any points. This is depressing. I gotta stop having Uh you know, you know fans are reporters covering the losing teams after they lose. I mean, you're a happy guy. You've done a great job on this show as a voice of God. Literally, Jason Zemma, what what fine acting that was? By the way, thank you, thank you, thank you. It was it was more like it kind of was channeled through me, and it really was. I wasn't really there, right, It wasn't. It wasn't acting. Before I let you go, We're gonna um talk about in honor of the yacht bros who played tonight, and that really is a nickname Dan and Mark that I'm made it up. No, Deebo, Samuel made it up himself back in him and Brandon and you were going to be the yacht bros. I did not make that up. We're going to talk about six of my favorite yacht bros in the history of the league, really the history since I started covering sport last twenty years, but before that I did want to ask, like I used to live with Hansas, You're on his podcast now, but he's not here. Just do you have any fun stories or or anything you want to just share about Dan and maybe don't bury him as as hard as you did before. Well you sent me up to make it entertaining? Was that? What was that? Justin? Justin's here, by the way, is it Justin? What was that Justin? Who always feels good to hurt your friends? Oh? Thanks Justin? That that was a perfectly time drop us and only had to be hit five times before worked. I think you can edit it out, all right, Yeah, give me, give me something hand disrelated, then we'll get you out of here. You gotta go to bed, all right. So this is actually something that I just recently told Dan, and this is uh, this is a is actually total compliment. What I think is fantastic about what Dan does on your show is who Danny is entirely. From the very first time I listened to the Debate Club with just him and Mark, I was like, oh wow, this is something. I don't know what it's going to be yet, but this is something because Dan is doing the exact same thing he did when I lived with him. He's just holding court, he's handing off the conversation, he's guiding the conversation. He's just being kind of the Frank Sinatra in the room, and he's just kind of running things. Like if people want to know what Dan is like, just listen to the podcast. Great, it's who he is. This show is who Dan is. And I think, to your credit, it's become who you are as well. I think that you have blossomed into this amazing broadcast. You're I'm listening. Here are your flowers, man, let me give them to you. You guys are getting rid of you. We're getting rid of flowers. It's been it was suspended for two weeks. New flowers. I love you guys, and you've just you've just really you're just killing it. Thank you, Jason, and it's been great to have you on this. Hopefully not too depressing. I'm gonna bring up a good memory of you, of yours quickly because I thought this game we got all the yards after catch guys on the fort, and I thought Cardinals, and I thought and Kwan Bolden and I thought and Quan Bolden is I think my single favorite receiver of all time that that wasn't on my team. That was my single favorite player when I started to cover the league, which was in two thousand and three. That came in after that point, and it wasn't too soon after he jumped in with that like two hundred yard game as like a relatively unknown rookie right off the top and was like the fantasy pickup of the the century as a rookie, and the way that he played football, certainly the way he carried himself. And when I got to cover that Super Bowl, and I absolutely fell in love with that Cardinals team and Darnell Dockett and everyone else on that amazing team, and was I was never more heartbroken about a Super Bowl uh result in person other than Patriots losing as I was for that Cardinals team. But it was partly because of an Kuan Bolden. The way that he played football week after week was just an absolute joy to watch. He's an all time Cardinal. He was your guy, and he's my number one yacht bro of all time. I'm gonna give it five more quickly after this, but I'll let you honk about Bolden for I do that. There's really no one that I've ever seen kind of play the game like him. I think the closest thing I've ever seen wash was Andre Johnson. Uh the h Was he a Texan? Yeah? I thought about him for this list. A little different style, but I know what you mean. The difference between him and a Quan was just there was just a little something something with an Quan. He got that ball and he had the physicality like Andre did. He could bull you over, but an Quan would do it with jews. He would just send you fly. And when he got step on he hit that and he hit those yaks, Oh my god. He was a monster and he just he ran guys over. He was always the guy people brought up that forty times don't matter. He ran a four seven one forty and you would have never known that. On the field. He was just an absolute beast. If you if you didn't watch an Kuan Bolden back in the day, get some highlights, won't Tech broke his jaw in a game played the next week with it wired shut and and as great as Larry Fitzgerald is, and he would have had the touchdown, uh game winning touchdown in the Super Bowl for all time if the defense had finished that off. It was a Quan and I'm sorry to bring that up, but what a team that was one of my favorite and Quan Bolden was the guy that was the heart of that team and and had an all time playoff run as well. The two of them together, uh, we're just amazing. Five more quickly is my colleague, but also Chris Wesseling's probably favorite receiver of all times. Steve Smith. I don't know if he knows him his colleagues, but Steve Smith absolutely makes this list. Kind of fits with Bolden as just an angry runner. Brandon Marshall gets forgotten a little bit in this discussion, but just an absolute beast, especially early in his career before all those surgeries. Just an unbelievable player to watch young Julian Edelman, not the one who was picking up catches and winning the Super Bowl MVP, which was a little later in his career. If you go back and watch him early in his Patriot's career as a punt returner and making plays after the catch, he was an incredible player. I got into so many arguments with West early in his career saying peak Edelman is already better than peak Welker and Uh. I still I still believe his first five or six years he was just incredible. Tory Holt is another name I'm gonna throw out here, just so smooth, a different type of yak bro. But my god, did he have a feel of where defenders were coming from and how to run routes. It drives me crazy. That is Isaac Bruce in the Hall of Fame. I don't even know, but he gets further. He gets further in the Hall of Fame debate every year than Tory Holt, which is just mind boggling to anyone watching those teams. Tory Holt, uh deserves to be on this list. And then I wanted to throw in one current player, Chris Godwin. I know he's coming off the injury and he's not the same guy right now, but the way that he plays football, I think uh is very reminiscent of a young and Kwan Bold and I'm always looking for those types of player and him coming into the league and I think he'll get it back. He's just overcoming an injury. Chris Godwin deserves to be on this list too. And just as Justin wants to talk, I just want to let you know Isaac Bruce was inducted into the profits. Did I not know that I even watched these things? That was during the pandemic. We're not supposed to have to remember. Yeah, we were all baking bread and staring at the wall waiting for this to end. Yeah, hopefully our listeners aren't just waiting for this. Damn. This was a treat Jason. Thank you for working over time. I know it's late. You got to get to bed. I'm probably driving your in laws crazy. And uh, I got a concert to get to. I got tickets to the Flaming Lips in I bought the tickets in. The concert was supposed to be in March of at the beginning of the pandemic. It has been delayed six or seven times since then. It is tonight. It has already started. But I'm gonna catch like the last hour. I would say of it if I get out of a studio quickly enough. This is like, hey, uh we uh we we won over COVID. Oh no, wait, we haven't at all. But I am going to enjoy this concert. I'm gonna what are you doing here? Man? Go see the Flaming Okay, let's go. Let's go for Jason's on, well, it's uh, it's been a pleasure. And Justin Graver Dan Hansas, what a guy? What house Mark? Why don't we just thank everyone? Seriously, Jason, this was a treat to have you on. Thanks for having a fan on the call.