True Blue Vegan Jamie Lynne

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Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous, welcome back to give them La Lot podcast. I am a little over a week post op, and they're feeling myself.

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Speaker 2: How is your body feeling? Are you sore?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: They did a lot of work on the left boob right, like.

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Speaker 1: Put some sort of mesh hammock in, and apparently my implant had like fallen super far over so they did a lot of reconstruction over there on like the inside of the booby, and the ear was the easiest. Everyone kept telling me the ear is going to be so painful. It's one of the most excruciating surgeries, like cosmetic surgeries you can have.

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Speaker 3: And it's been a breeze, so thank you.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, the boobs have been a breeze too, and they look incredible, So thank you to doctor Laky and doctor Daniel Poor because I feel like a hot motherfucker people thought.

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Speaker 2: I think people enjoyed the video of you right out of anesthetia. I sure enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: I love that you did that.

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Speaker 1: And what's so funny is that I was still thinking about, like I went into surgery having these concerns. Yeah, Like I was so concerned I was gonna fart. Doctor Lakey and doctor Daniel po are very hot, you know, like they're super hot. Yeah, and I was like, I can't rip ass in front of in front of the you know, like I just can't. So I was very concerned about that. In the second I was like coherent.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Anything that I said, but it was funny to see that I was still concerned about those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got consent from that. Like the day before, I think Lala mentioned. Lala mentioned it would be funny to take a video on the day a while ago. Yeah, and then I would have to record it, yes, exactly. And then I was like, tomorrow, can I no matter what, can I record when I walk in and you went, you have to?

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Speaker 1: The thing is is yes, record it. If it was mortifying, I don't need to share it. Yeah, but it was amazing if I put on my page, Oh, it's great. So many people were supportive of my decision. It's still so crazy to me when people say you were so beautiful natural, I'm like, my tits have always been fake. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: When was your first When did you first get them done?

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Speaker 3: Twenty? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I was due.

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Speaker 1: I was due for an upgrade, and then with Ocean, they were just like sad, little like half inflated water ballooons right like neer. So yeah, I got them done. And I also there was one person that was like, boys don't like big boobs. I was like, I didn't fucking do this for boys.

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Speaker 2: Who asked the boys' opinion?

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Speaker 3: Wrong audience?

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Speaker 2: Yeah he saw that you said a wrong audience? Who like, who cares?

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Speaker 3: Speaking of boys?

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Speaker 1: So there was one hot guy that we were talking about that I met on tour, right, yes, So he like sent me a couple of dick pics and I like, let it slide. I didn't acknowledge them. I just like pretended like it didn't happen. He didn't acknowledge them either, talk talk, talk whatever. A few nights ago, I he you know, I wake up the next morning and he has sent me another one, a third one, A.

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Speaker 3: Third dick pick.

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Speaker 2: My god.

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Speaker 1: But what he said following the dick pick warranted an immediate block. He said, I can't wait to see how far you can put this in your mouth. First of all, it was huge, so you're gonna be very disappointed if it ever entered my mouth, which it never.

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Speaker 3: Fucking would Yeah, like you what do you mean you can't wait? Right? You're not getting that from me? You weirdo?

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Speaker 2: Oh even know you unsolicited dick pick? What is this two thousand and five?

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Speaker 3: It's so.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, yeah, if you ever want to become something in life, and let's just say, in the small percent chance you do, which meaning becomes something in the public eye, which is what he wants to do, you're gonna have a lot of cleanup to do.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've met me one time and you didn't ask for it, right, No, of course, yeah, no, I'm just checking because like, and I didn't mean two thousand and five, it'd be more like twenty ten. But he just sent it like willy nilly, not even nothing, and you didn't even hint it you wanted to see it, and then he sent it over. That's wild to me. People still do that. If you're a man listening to this, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Don't do it, and certainly don't say that you can't wait to see how far that someone can fit it in their mouth, because number one, I'm offunded.

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Speaker 3: Number two, I'm grossed out.

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Speaker 1: Number three And my mom said, well, what did you say? Yes, I told my mom about it.

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Speaker 3: She was like, how did you respond? And I was like, he doesn't get a response from me. I just blocked him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see it, and with that what you just said, Like, while you're talking this way, I'm dealing with like a sick daughter. Yeah, I'm rubbing calami lotion all over her body because she has a rash, right while you're sending me dick pics talking about it being in my mouth, Like, I'm a thirty one year old grown ass woman who's a mother. Show a little fucking respect love that. Would you like a man to be sending your mother messages like that? No, you would want to punch them in the face. Yeah, so don't send me shit like that. Yeah, someone's mom and someone's kid have a little fucking respect.

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Speaker 2: So you blocked him.

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Speaker 3: I blocked him.

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Speaker 2: So you guys are just in two different spaces in your life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my.

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Speaker 2: God, I was not having also you letting him or allowing him grace to like send him send it twice?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 2: Did you not get the hint when she didn't respond and pretended like business is usual? I'm not going to respond to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but there we go. There were just more red flags.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there was another guy who I was into. He was like totally normal, and then he told me he was like, sorry, I went to a strip club last night, and I was like, man, there we go. I don't need I don't need whoever I'm talking to to be going to strip clubs either. Right.

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Speaker 2: Is that a deal breaker nowadays?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Them like going to strip clubs, enjoying strip clubs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm not judging you if you go to a strip club, go to a strip club. I used to love the strip clubs. I'm not there in my life anymore. And I want to be compatible with my partner. Yeah, So I'm not saying don't go to a strip club. I'm just saying, you're we're not on the same page.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're not compatible. You don't have to settle. No, you don't have to be like ugh, I mean he's so great, but he does this, So I I guess maybe I'll get and like, no, you don't have to. You don't have to settle for anyone. So that's that's like, I think that's great. Bye.

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Speaker 3: I want to live in the light.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have a sweet little girl you know.

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Speaker 1: And I which is so funny because on other podcasts, I'm like, if she decides to be a stripper, I'll be her highest paying customer.

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Speaker 2: But that's different. That's supporting your child.

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Speaker 1: That's not I just want her to always feel loved and safe, and I want to create an environment for her that's just like so light and breezy.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, she may be a dancer. I'm not saying a stripper, but I mean she loves tod she loves dancing, she gets down.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So whoever is going, whoever is going to be a man who comes into my life, who has the luxury of meeting my daughter one day, is not going to be going to strip clubs. And they're certainly not going to be sending dick picks to people. Okay, yep, Like, yeah, I don't need my I don't need that and my daughter doesn't need to be around that type of yeah at all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, goodbye, good bye, goodbye. Nobody needs a dick pic.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I that's what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: I was laying in bed, nursing, nursing my my wounds, getting dick picks, and hearing people go to strip clubs and I, you know, have come out of my my surgery coma m because I tend when I have any type of surgery or I'm sick.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you're supposed to be like I fucking nurse it, right, Yeah, that's how I mean, that's how I am with a cold.

00:08:10
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to Kyle, like you think your fake coughing and like, no, no.

00:08:18
Speaker 1: Last night, Lisa fucking wanted to clean out the fridge and I was like, I can't lift anything. I'm not helping, and she like looked at me like do you ever help me do anything? But then she dropped glass onto the ground and it shattered, and I was like, motherfuck, why did you have to do this tonight? Now there's shards of glass everywhere.

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Speaker 3: It was late, and.

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Speaker 1: I told her, I reiterated, I'm not helping. I'm wounded.

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Speaker 3: I'm not helping you. Yeah, and she then again she.

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Speaker 1: Said to me, you never help, even when you're not wounded, you don't help.

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Speaker 3: I'm not shocked by you not helping me, right.

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Speaker 2: But number one, Laala was told she can't lift anything, you guys, So it's not like she's just like I'm not lifting anything.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not helping. But even my friends know. Yeah, even my friends know. When we filmed vander Pump Rules and they're like, everyone has a part in doing this. I say, I'm not helping. Tell me how much I can pay. I'll write shea check, I'll do some venmo, I'll have something wired. I am not helping.

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Speaker 3: I don't like it.

00:09:26
Speaker 2: And You've lived a long enough life to decide that for your life.

00:09:31
Speaker 3: And I'm glad.

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Speaker 2: I think that's great you have that freedom. I'm not helping. I'm not lifting a finger.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: Also, Lisa is so active. If you were to help her, you would be moving around twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 3: You guys like the most. It makes me tired.

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Speaker 2: I come into the office every weekend and it's been like cleaned and organized. I should be doing that, but like Lisa doesn't.

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Speaker 3: She cleans for the housekeeper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just like constantly organizing, cleaning, putting stuff away.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing, it is amazing, but a five star bitch. Yeah, every single night, I'm like, you're the best mom ever. She really is best mom and jeech. But you know what, I once I get older into that zone and like ocean is then my age or whatever, I think I would help her out. It's like I'll clean your house for you, like you just like tap into that zone. But then again, who knows. Yeah, I'm thirty one and I'm still like, I'm not fucking helping.

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Speaker 3: I refuse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So that is my.

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Speaker 1: You know, recovery story and dick pic stories and all the people that I'm cutting out of my life due to stupid things that they do. But how funny that today we have Jamie Lynn, who is friends with Sheena.

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Speaker 3: She used to be the co host on her podcast. She's a vegan. We're just giving up meat in all aspects.

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Speaker 1: We don't want your fucking sausage pictures, no dick pics.

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Speaker 3: We're just giving up meat in every aspect of the word.

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Speaker 2: No meat twenty two.

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Speaker 3: No, that the mantra.

00:11:04
Speaker 2: That's the mantra, no meat twenty.

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Speaker 3: No praise. Oh the dick pigs got me discombobulated.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well with that being said, I thought it was.

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Speaker 3: Like it was a record that I scratch on it. Do you remember those CDs? And if it was scratched?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: All right, anyway, when we come.

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Speaker 1: Back, we have Jamie Lynn, the vegan. We are back with a woman that you guys went insane over because I asked, who should I get on the podcast? It's a vegan, and you guys all were screaming at me, Jamie Lynn get her on?

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Speaker 3: Well I have her, Hi, babe, Hi.

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Speaker 5: I'm honored. I'm absolutely honored.

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Speaker 1: No, every single person was like, you have to have her. I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, Yes, it shocked.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I know her, yes, done.

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Speaker 1: So I was reading over obviously, I know you, I know you through Shena, I know that you're a vegan, I know you're a single mama. But I was reading over your bio and before we dive into you know, being a vegan and all of those things, I really have to say you and I have had our little bumps in the road.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we always come back from it. We're resilient.

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Speaker 1: I am so impressed and I learned so much about you reading this bio and I'm like, honest to god, I'm shocked and you should be extremely proud.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. That is so kind and I kind of want to return that back to you because, as you mentioned, we have had our little bumps in the road, but through that process I kind of knew about you along the way, and I know that you and I have a lot in common. People lost their dads and now we're single moms. And even at the time in which you became a single mom, I believe Ocean was around seven months old, which is exactly the time I became a single mom. So when I heard this happening to you, I was like, Fuck all that stupid drama that has happened in the past, I need to reach out to you, because although friends are amazing and supportive, unless someone has actually been through what you're going through, they don't really know how it feels. They don't know what to say, they don't know how to be. And I'm sure your friends were amazingly supportive, but I just wanted to let you know there's someone out there who you know that has been through it a similar situation, and I just wanted to give you recognition and support. And watching you grow from then to now and being at your Irvine show, I had tears in my eyes because I'm just so proud of you and where you have come and how you have grown, and you are such an inspiration to everybody, and I'm going to cry now I'm so emo. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm emo too, And I'm glad you're a crier because I am the biggest crier. So you're in fantastic company. And don't worry, we will be shedding tears. But yeah, it was I read that you became a single mom when your daughter was seven months and that was literally exactly when it happened to me. And I don't think you realize how much it meant to me when you reached out to me, because like you said, there there are many people who can be support systems, but when you find someone who who gets it and who's been through it and like knows that, it's like it's intense. That really meant a lot to me. So thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: You're very very welcome. And if you were here, I would.

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Speaker 3: Hug you right now.

00:15:01
Speaker 5: I want to get you.

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Speaker 3: I would I would take you up on that. First.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with you becoming a vegetarian at such a young age while you were watching Charlotte's Web Like, I want to know what that was like for you, because at the age of six, I mean, kids are worried about playing with barbies. They're certainly not thinking about, you know, eating or not eating animals. So please tell me this conversation you had with your dad.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely it was I mean, looking back now, who would have thought that that night would have been so faithful and I would actually be here with you speaking about it right now. But I had just finished watching well Charlotte's Web, and I fell in love with Wilburt the pig, and it just so happened that that night my dad was making ham and I connected the dots. At that age, it finally like it was a light bulb moment. I was like, wait a minute, that pig that is being cooked for my dinner was Wilbur. And I just left Wilbur. And obviously cartoons humanize animals, you know, and we fall in love with them. And I fell in love with Wilbur, and I was like, I don't want to eat Wilbur. And I said to my dad. I was like, that's Wilbur. We can't eat him. And my dad just very you know, kind of like almost sarcastically, said to me, He's like, well, then become a vegetarian. Don't be a hypocrite. And it was funny because at age six, I knew what the word hypocrite meant. But I didn't know what a vegetarian was, so I said, well, what's a vegetarian and he says, it means you don't eat me and I said, okay, I'll do that and he laughed and he's like, you can't do that, and I was like, yeah, I can. And ironically, although he was the one that said I couldn't do it, had it not been for him, I wouldn't have been able to do it. Because from that moment on, my family was so supportive and he made a separate dinner every single night for me that was vegetarian. And any other six year old who did not have a supportive family like that, they would just be out of luck. They'd be like, this is what you're eating tonight and shut up and eat it. But he went out of his way every single night to make me something vegetarian.

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Speaker 3: Wow, your dad is a special, special man.

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Speaker 1: I feel like had I been in that zone of wanting to be a vegetarian at the age of six, I think my dad would have done the same thing.

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Speaker 3: So we're really lucky that.

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Speaker 1: That is so sweet, and like, did he because when you think about being a vegetarian I think so many people are like, well, then where am I going to get my protein from?

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Speaker 3: Or what's the replacement? Like did he know? Did he do research?

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Speaker 1: You?

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Speaker 3: Did you know? I mean what was what were you eating?

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Speaker 5: It was funny because I mean, this is North Jersey, I'm in an Italian family. Oh shitting, you know, it's hard. I wasn't in Los Angeles, you know. And I obviously there's the only one in my school who is a vegetarian. And it was kind of new for everyone in my school, for anyone in my family, in my friend group. And I remember my parents taking me to my family doctor to talk about nutrition, which is kind of silly looking back on it, because doctors don't really know much about nutrition. So fortunately, though, my family doctor handed us two books and he was very supportive. He's like, you need to read these so you can understand how your nutrition is going to work. So I remember, at that age reading these two books on vegetarianism and not eating meat, and I think my parents did the best that they could. You know, I've heard other situations where family is just so not supportive and they'll make kids feel bad. And there's a whole other aspect of that too, where it's like parents think that they're raising their children to be the best people possible and give them the best morals possible. So when a child says, hey, what you've been feeding me goes against my morals, that could kind of be an insult to them in a way like you have not like kind of like straying from what your parents ingrained in you. And a lot of parents might take that as an insult. But fortunately, my parents, like I said, were so supportive.

00:19:14
Speaker 1: I would never think of it that way. I would know you're you're absolutely right. I'm sure that that because it is a moral thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it was, and for a lot of course, yeah.

00:19:24
Speaker 3: All because of Wilbur.

00:19:25
Speaker 5: Because I want to get like a Wilbur tattoo somewhere.

00:19:29
Speaker 3: Or like Charlotte and Wilber, I feel like you have to.

00:19:32
Speaker 5: I think I need to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So you're full, You're full vegan, You're like of I am.

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Speaker 1: Now how old were you when you decided that that was what was going to start happening?

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Speaker 5: I wish I knew the date, and I wish I wrote it down. And it's so funny because I can kind of tell time by Sheena's boyfriends, and it was asked, Sina when I became a vegan, But it was at the time that her and Adam had their last discussion on a rooftop where Adam lived and I met her was at Hugos down in Santa Monica Boulevard and we had lunch right after, and she was telling me how the conversation went, and I remember ordering my salad and it came with like this avocado ranch dressing, and I remember I said to the lady, I'm like, oh wait, I can't have that. I'm vegan now, and she, you know, like cracked it up. She's like, that's such an overheard la thing to say, Oh wait, I forgot I'm vegan right right around that time, whenever the atom era was is when I became a vegan.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I love that you gauge things based. So she is boyfriends. That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: When people talk about being a vegan, because it sounds amazing like Beyonce has done it. Like it's like, Okay, if Beyonce can do it and still look fabulous and she's not withering away and she still has all the energy in the world, then we all can do it right, but I feel like being a vegan.

00:20:53
Speaker 3: Can get expensive.

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Speaker 1: What do you recommend when somebody says, like, I want to be a vegan, but I don't know how to go about it. How do we ease ourselves into it?

00:21:03
Speaker 5: That's a really good question, because we can sit here and talk about the whys all day, but until we start talking about the how, it's not practical, you.

00:21:12
Speaker 1: Know, right.

00:21:13
Speaker 5: Admittedly, prior to the atom era of me becoming vegan and sticking with it for life, I had dabbled in it years before when I was pregnant with Ivy. In fact, I was vegan for the first four months and then quit. So it doesn't mean we're perfect. It doesn't mean any you know, vegans don't think we're perfect. And it's all about trying, at least I believe. It's not about being militant. It's about making changes that you can stick with. And it doesn't mean you have to go cold turkey, forgive the pun, but you know, just swapping out dairy butter for like smart balance or like earth balance, which is okay and you can't even tell the difference, you know, or like swapping out your meal milk for almond milk or oat milk or soy milk, or when you're at Starbucks ordering an oat milk latte instead of a whole milk latte, and it's making these little changes over time. As far as the expense, You're absolutely right. You know, people have lumped veganism these days into this wellness and this aspirational like someone shopping at arrow On or Whole Foods, and it's like, yes, if you go that route, there are very expensive vegan items because people are taking advantage of that right now. However, if you look at Whole Foods, most of the foods in the world are vegan. There's what three four animals that we eat right aything else is vegan. And it's so funny when someone's like, oh, I've never had vegan food. I'm like, you never had a French fry, you never had an apple? Like most of the food is vegan. So just kind of breaking down. I guess this stereotype or this stigma that it's expensive, it can be, but it doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 1: I love that what you just said about most of the things that I eat are completely vegan. So it's about coming up with the replacements. Like, I love my almond milk. That's my replacement for dairy. And I didn't even realize it. I just like almond milk better.

00:23:15
Speaker 5: There you go.

00:23:19
Speaker 1: So if someone were to, like go to a restaurant and they on the menu, see like salmon, right, they want salmon, it has like the vegetables, it has like your carb or whatever, what in that moment would you say to replace the salmon with I mean, it depends.

00:23:37
Speaker 5: Where you're eating and what the options are. Fortunately you and I live in LA and the options are limitless. I feel like it's totally and we are very fortunate. Someone in the middle of the country or down south, I've had such trouble traveling. It's harder to seek it out. And I think we need to acknowledge that. And it's not an easy thing being vegan. Is it's easy for me because I live in southern California, you know, and I have access to all of these places where I can buy all of my food and all of these restaurants that serve vegan alternatives. But it's hard for me to answer that question because I don't know what alternatives will ask that particular restaurant.

00:24:18
Speaker 1: You're right, we are lucky that we live in southern California and everyone and their dog is a vegan. Like literally, I've met vegan dogs, so true, real thing, what could we have to replace something like a steak or salmon or a cheeseburger?

00:24:34
Speaker 3: Like what?

00:24:35
Speaker 1: Just like, obviously there are some people that are like, I'm craving a cheeseburger, But there's obviously something. There's a reason why you're craving it. I believe you know. It's just like when I my body knows like I want water, Like my body needs water at that moment. So when I think about certain cravings, it's like your body is needing protein, Like what what would you like, what is the protein you get that maybe meat would also give you but your vegan.

00:25:02
Speaker 5: Well, let's take it a step back and discuss protein for a second. So it's a big myth that we need to get our protein from animals, because where are those animals getting the protein from. They're eating it, and they're eating plants, and the animal is actually the middleman. So it's a very dirty way of getting that same protein that you can go direct to the source. There's protein and vegetables, there's protein in peas, beans, everything, so we don't we definitely don't need to get our protein from animals, and that's just been this myth that's perpetuated by the meat industry, dairy industry, all of that. So once we are aware of that and that we don't need as even we don't even need as much protein as we're being told that we need. But I go straight to the source for my protein, so I'll have plant protein. So in the morning, I'll have a smoothie with plant protein instead of weigh protein, which is horrible for you.

00:26:01
Speaker 3: Really, way protein is horrible for you.

00:26:03
Speaker 5: Oh yes, So you're talking about cravings, and you know one of the reasons why we may crave sea cheese. People are like, oh, I can't give up my cheese. So if we want to get into the dairy industry, which is just probably the most torturous out of all of them, which I was very ignorant too because I was a vegetarian and I thought I was reducing harm, which I was, but not to the fullest extent. And when I learned what happened in the dairy industry, it's as a mom even it's just so heartbreaking because these cows, they're slaves. They are forcibly impregnated. Cows have to carry a baby for nine months. Cows is don't produce milk. They produce milk because they were raped and they were impregnated. Okay, so now they're pregnant for nine months with this baby. The moment they have their baby, it's stripped away from them. Cows cry. Cows you can hear them like pining out in pain for their baby. I've seen videos of cow's mother cows chasing after their newborn baby who's being wheeled away in a wheelbarrow. And what's going to happen to that baby is if it's a male, it's shot in the head like the first moments it can walk. And if it's female, she's put into that same slavery system that the mother was. And then ultimately those dairy cows are killed when their milk production goes down, they're killed. So that life is so sad to me. And then on top of it, the reason why we're so addicted to cheese is because the milk that we're stealing that's intended for her baby, there is cassiine in it, which is an addictive substance to make the calf drink it. It's to help that calf get nourishment and want to keep drinking from its mother. So now that is so concentrated when it's turned, when that milk is turned into its cheese form, that we as humans are literally becoming addicted to it in the way that was meant for the cals.

00:28:02
Speaker 1: I'm beyond shocked right now. And how I did not know that that process was that torturous. I knew that I knew that cows were like very maternal and into their babies, and you see when they're a cow is released back into their like little farm setting there like jumping around.

00:28:22
Speaker 3: WHOA.

00:28:22
Speaker 5: I often get into Instagram wars with people, and I try not to.

00:28:26
Speaker 1: No, I love when I love when you get into them. I love it. I love it. It reminds me of me when I talk to people about SeaWorld, because I turned into a megatrol with SeaWorld.

00:28:36
Speaker 5: Very similar And thank you for the work that you and the attention that you have brought to all of that. But yeah, I recently got into a fight with someone about it because I was saying, these animals are slaves, like the entitlement of us humans to think that animals are put here for our entertainment or for us to consume when we don't need to, when we have other choices. And I said, you know, these animals are slaves, and someone got so mad at me for comparing it to slavery. But then that brings up a whole other subject of speciesism. Okay, so it's like, it's okay for us to do this to a cow, but what if I put you in there and I impregnated you and stole your baby and stole your milk. That is so illegal, that is so atrocious. But it's because we think we're so much better than these animals, or we're worth so much more than they are, just because we're human. But why, why, why is my life worth more than that cow or that baby calf that's getting shot in the head. And then you could take species and speciesism even further and look at your dog. Would you want those things happening to your dog? It would break your heart absolutely different.

00:29:45
Speaker 1: And there are things that we eat in the United States that you know, those are like treasured animals that they would never in their life, you know, be eating a cow. So no, you're you're making all this sense of the world that I'm totally on your same page especially, and I think when you can can bring someone's dog into it, because it's ultimately the same thing we're talking about animals, right, it becomes a topic that is relatable for more people.

00:30:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a whole brainwashing. There's a cognitive dissonance happening where we can look at our dogs and think that they're the best thing ever, and we love them so much, and we can recognize that they all have separate personalities. If you've had more than one dog in your life, you know, they all have different personalities. They like certain things, they dislike certain things, and we can understand that for these dogs or these cats. But guess what, this pig is smarter than your dog. It's the smartest a three year old's human. Imagine doing this to a three year old baby. The things that we do to these pigs. That's how much they can comprehend what's happening to them. And yet, you know, we give all of this worth to these dogs and cats. But because we have this cognitive dissonance to the farm animals, we think it's okay to do that to them, and it's nobody's fault that thinks this. You know, if this isn't a situation where I'm judging people, I just want to educate. Like you just said, you had no idea that that happens in the dairy industry. Do you know what happens in the egg industry? Do you know what happens to the mail chicks?

00:31:12
Speaker 1: No?

00:31:13
Speaker 3: Can you tell us?

00:31:13
Speaker 5: Well, in the egg industry, when the baby chicks are born, if they're male, they are put on a conveyor belt and thrown into a wood schipper their first day of first moments of being alive, they are crushed in a wood schipper, or they're put in a plastic bag, put in the trash to suffocate, as if they have zero worth. And that is the expense of eating an egg. It's like I always you know, envision like think of a blender. Anytime you want to eat an egg, think of it a blender. Would you throw a male baby chicken there?

00:31:49
Speaker 3: No turn it on to eat ever?

00:31:51
Speaker 5: Never, that's what's happening. That's what we're paying people to do for us, but we don't want to see it. And it's like, as long as people don't know what's happening, I can't fault them, And all I want to do is educate on what actually is happening, and from there you do what you want. And I will respect someone who says, you know what. I've watched all the slaughterhouse footage. I've seen everything that happens. I just don't think animals are worthless. I think I'm worth more and I'm entitled to this food. Fine, as long as you know what's happening, that's your choice and that's your decision. But my whole thing is I'm not going to try to change somebody's mind. Who is that type of person. All I want to do is just educate someone who may not know and be like, I had no idea I'm going to change this and that, or I had no idea. I need to research just more for myself. That is what I love doing.

00:32:43
Speaker 1: I also want to get into you said it was time to put your money where your mouth was, and that's when you invested in Sugar Taco, which is a vegan restaurant. It's in La right. Do we have them anywhere else? I've only eaten it in La.

00:32:58
Speaker 5: Yeah. We have two locations. One is in the Valley and Sherman Oaks on Ventura Boulevard, and another one is on Melrose, just off of Librea, and we are in process of opening our third in Long Beach. And what is really exciting is I am now in charge of our food retail and I currently have a freezer stocked with testing types of our protein so that we can understand how to ship them. And we're going to be shipping nationwide. So no, wow, yeah, no, matter where anyone lives, soon they will be able to have Sugar Taco. But we're also opening Eli's first vegan butcher deli sandwich shop, and we will be shipping all of those vegan meats and cheeses and macaroni and cheese and all those good things cookies. We're going to be ship shipping those nationwide as well.

00:33:46
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this is amazing. I'm thrilled to hear this. And by the way, Sugar Taco is fantastic, Thank you. Like we had it I think for Brock's birthday party, Yes, and it was phenomenal. You would have ever known that you weren't going savage on pork or whatever it was that I was eating.

00:34:05
Speaker 5: He fed it to like his Aussie friends and all them it was vegan and they had no idea and oh man, those turtles were so good. They're the best Brits of had. I was like, they're vegan, They're like what?

00:34:15
Speaker 3: No, No, I know.

00:34:17
Speaker 1: Well, for the longest time, I didn't realize that Sugar Taco was a vegan spot. Really yes, but I'm kind of clue. I get I sometimes I'm very clueless. I feel like I'm pretty on it, but there are things where I'm like completely clueless. So you invested in Sugar Taco, but now you're also in a relief program where you are giving food to this one like really hit me when you were taking on women and children of tomestic violence.

00:34:47
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, every time I go there, I I cry. Yeah. So the first thing I did when I joined Sugar Taco, I said, we you know, they already they were already amazed, and they had charity components already. Our Children's menu, we are every time you purchase something off of Children's menu that we give a meal to a child in need. Every time you purchase a doggy taco, that all of that goes to a different animal charity per month. So that was there. They already had their charity components that I loved and what attracted me to the company, but I said, I want to do another one. And I have been really, really passionate about the homeless problem in Los Angeles and also specifically helping women and children. So when I found this shelter in LA it's called Good Shepherd. They house women and children who are impacted by domestic violence who had to leave and they needed a place to stay. And the first time I went there, I started crying because there's this I'll send you the picture, but there's this huge wall with hand prints from all the children that live there now. And because I couldn't go in to see the kids, it was and COVID, but just seeing the hamprints and knowing that they're safe now.

00:36:06
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, it's fine.

00:36:09
Speaker 5: It's really special to be able to give back to them and those strong women that left the situations that they were in. So yeah. So our food program is that we collect donations and then Sugar Taco or I personally will match it and double it and will bring the vegan food to these shelters. And I've even handed it out to people on the streets. But I think the most I think the most help that I can do is to give it to these shelters and these base women and children.

00:36:39
Speaker 1: You are truly a beautiful soul, Like you have a passion, You see a problem and you do the work. And I think so many people, I mean, I even am guilty of this at times where you know, you know that something's wrong, you can talk about it all day long, you're actually doing something about it. And you know, I've always liked you, even with our bumps in the road. But I'm like truly in awe of you.

00:37:06
Speaker 5: Thank you, and the feeling is much well.

00:37:08
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jamie. I'm telling you, I read this bio, and I've read a lot of bios. I've had a lot of people on the podcast, but this like really was like, oh my gosh.

00:37:17
Speaker 3: You've stolen my heart.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've taught a lot of my listeners a lot of things, because I've just learned a lot. I mean, I just made a huge life change today a matter of seconds that the whole damn family's vegan.

00:37:31
Speaker 5: I do want to warn you, though, when when discussing these things, I mean, we can find anything on the internet to support any point of view that we want. And you may get flooded with contradictory information as to what I've said, and that's fine, and I just want you to be aware of you know, this is a very passionate issue for a lot of people, and you know it means that they have to take some personal responsibility and personal change and that's hard for a lot of people. So you will get a lot of pushback. But if you just keep the animals in mind and that you're doing it for a greater purpose, right, even when you're if you happen to start watching the footage of you know, what actually happens to these animals and the documentaries, and I'm going to suggest it's heartbreaking, you will cry for the entire documentary. And you don't have to keep watching it. You don't have to keep retraumatizing yourself. But as long as you know what's happening, that's that's good enough, and that you can take that fight to keep fighting for the animals.

00:38:30
Speaker 1: But it's not easy, no, And you know what, I'm glad you said that, because that does happen. I mean, even when I talk about, you know, not supporting animals in captivity, I'm flooded with people and I just know, like you know what you're I'm not the person for you, right you.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: Know you got the wrong audience with me.

00:38:50
Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for joining me on the Give Them All a podcast. You were amazing and now I know why everyone wanted you on the podcast.

00:38:59
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me