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<v Speaker 1>the Draft owned, don't worry, we cover a ton of
<v Speaker 1>that at the beginning of the show. We talk about
<v Speaker 1>that for probably like twenty minutes. But the Draft part
<v Speaker 1>two is going to be covered Tuesday. You guys know
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<v Speaker 1>Ashley and me. Enjoy the conversation. I'll talk to you
<v Speaker 1>next time. All right, it's Sunday night, and typically that
<v Speaker 1>means the wrestling, the solid the show. But in light
<v Speaker 1>of well me moving and picking up my life and
<v Speaker 1>doing that all weekend and the fact that WWE has
<v Speaker 1>moved Friday Night and made it smack down Friday Night.
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<v Speaker 1>Man back to join with us and talk about the draft,
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Fiend, talk about just the good and
<v Speaker 1>the bad and everything that happened this week in WWA. So, Ashley,
<v Speaker 1>it's awesome and I'm really happy to be able to
<v Speaker 1>talk to you this week, and it's great to have
<v Speaker 1>you back on the show.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's so great to be Batman. Thank you for
<v Speaker 3>having me. Man. What a night on Friday? What a night?
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it really was a good night. And we
<v Speaker 1>just talked off the air, as we always do, about
<v Speaker 1>some of the picks that were laughable, some of the
<v Speaker 1>picks that the announcers tried to make and everybody, even
<v Speaker 1>the Fox executives, which, oh, don't worry, we'll get to that.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about the war room and I and all
<v Speaker 1>this stuff that is just it's laughable. At the same time,
<v Speaker 1>I know what they're trying to do, So I mean, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>Ashley normally I would pick a topic here, I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give it to you. I want you to
<v Speaker 1>tell me the first thing that's on your from this week.
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I just want to go straight to the Draft
<v Speaker 4>or Friday Night in general, and just start there, because
<v Speaker 4>I think that's where the bulk of at least the
<v Speaker 4>events for the past few days. And I think a
<v Speaker 4>major talking point from this past week in itself is
<v Speaker 4>Friday Night in the Draft and just how things win,
<v Speaker 4>how they could have gone. The spoilers I guess that
<v Speaker 4>they released themselves before the show. I'm not sure if
<v Speaker 4>you caught that on Twitter or not, but just so
<v Speaker 4>many things about it. The war room, It's just so
<v Speaker 4>many things, so many things.
<v Speaker 1>The war room, I mean, the war room.
<v Speaker 3>Let's start with the war rooms.
<v Speaker 1>Let's start with the start, to start with the war room,
<v Speaker 1>because I honestly listen, I know that they are trying
<v Speaker 1>to make it feel as if it's a sports simulation
<v Speaker 1>and more sports like and authentic. And I appreciate that.
<v Speaker 1>I like that. I like that they are trying to
<v Speaker 1>because for so long fans have been saying it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>seem real, it's you know, a fake whatever, and there's
<v Speaker 1>no feel of true competition, and there's no feel that
<v Speaker 1>a real sport brings, you say, the NFL, MLB, whatever.
<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate the fact that, look, they're on Fox,
<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest sports networks in the United States
<v Speaker 1>in the world, and they are trying to mimic a
<v Speaker 1>typical draft that you would see in the NFL or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But to have these executives on USA and on Fox,
<v Speaker 1>who are We're supposed to believe that both are very
<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable and educated in what a good pick in a
<v Speaker 1>bad pick would be from a professional wrestling standpoint is
<v Speaker 1>it's just straight out laughable. I don't know what you
<v Speaker 1>thought about this.
<v Speaker 3>Oh so when I first saw it, I was very hopeful.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, that's so cool.
<v Speaker 4>That makes sense, especially with the whole Fox versus USA
<v Speaker 4>network feel going behind it. I was like, finally, at
<v Speaker 4>least with this draft, we have something that kind of
<v Speaker 4>makes sense. Now there's a true reason why one brand
<v Speaker 4>would want dominance over the other, because it makes sense.
<v Speaker 4>Now there's one network buying to have better ratings and
<v Speaker 4>more viewers than.
<v Speaker 3>The other one.
<v Speaker 4>So and it may not be the best answer, but
<v Speaker 4>it made sense. So when I first saw the war Room,
<v Speaker 4>I was like, Okay, cool that that that could be fun,
<v Speaker 4>Like that makes sense, Like you know, if they're really
<v Speaker 4>trying to hype this up like it's a live broadcast,
<v Speaker 4>totally works.
<v Speaker 3>I'm digging it.
<v Speaker 4>And then it was just over the top, like they
<v Speaker 4>just took it in like a good idea and just
<v Speaker 4>like went far left as far as they could, like
<v Speaker 4>just the over the top reactions just like jumping up
<v Speaker 4>and down like if correct me if I'm wrong. But
<v Speaker 4>like the whole point in the draft is you make
<v Speaker 4>the pick that you're going to get.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a gamble.
<v Speaker 4>It's not like I'm going to hope to get room
<v Speaker 4>and Range and that's gonna be my pick, but I
<v Speaker 4>don't know for sure until it's officially announced, like especially
<v Speaker 4>at least in WWE, like it's a given, like you
<v Speaker 4>make the pick like that that's your pick. So for
<v Speaker 4>them to be reacting like so over the top, like
<v Speaker 4>it's just like, well, yeah, that's that.
<v Speaker 3>Was your choice.
<v Speaker 4>I can see why you would be disappointed if you
<v Speaker 4>were like all like if for instance, like if you're
<v Speaker 4>USA and they see that Fox got Room and Range,
<v Speaker 4>be like, oh, yeah, I could see why they would
<v Speaker 4>be upset.
<v Speaker 3>So, oh, that was just one thing that really stuck
<v Speaker 3>out to me. It's just like, God just doesn't make
<v Speaker 3>any sense. Like you you made that pick yourself.
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's a I mean, that's a good point that
<v Speaker 1>this is not a gamble, this is not a chance,
<v Speaker 1>this is just make your pick. I just that, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>it was over the top and they were jumping up
<v Speaker 1>and down for picking Lucha House Party or the Vikingeraders.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's you gotta be kidding me.
<v Speaker 3>And that was Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 4>The details and like the rules we'll get into, like
<v Speaker 4>in depth later on, but yeah, like that pick, I
<v Speaker 4>was like, come on, come.
<v Speaker 1>On, unbelievable. And oh don't forget that Monday Night Raw
<v Speaker 1>chose Alexa Bliss and Nikky Cross separately. You say, two
<v Speaker 1>of their picks instead of a single pick. What are
<v Speaker 1>they like if you got I mean, you gotta be
<v Speaker 1>joking me. I don't know, So I'm just gonna I'm
<v Speaker 1>gonna stop right there with that. But yeah, overall, like
<v Speaker 1>it was over the top reaction for things that they
<v Speaker 1>should not have been. Oh my god, it's like they
<v Speaker 1>won the lottery every single time they made their pick
<v Speaker 1>and got their pick. Well, your major pick, so you're
<v Speaker 1>gonna get your pick. Yeah, it was. It was very
<v Speaker 1>corny at times. I again to give them credit where
<v Speaker 1>credit is due. I appreciate that they're tried. I just think, yeah, it.
<v Speaker 3>Was a good idea. It was a very good idea,
<v Speaker 3>and it had so much potential it did.
<v Speaker 1>It was just executed poorly, and they just again take
<v Speaker 1>it all the way into just you know, fantasy land
<v Speaker 1>and go, okay, well, this is WWE's version of a draft,
<v Speaker 1>not a true draft. And then you have the Fox
<v Speaker 1>executives who are throughout the show like you normally would
<v Speaker 1>with any draft or any sports broadcast. You have like
<v Speaker 1>Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz, Terry Bradshaw. You have these guys
<v Speaker 1>Tiki Barber who are out there and going talking about
<v Speaker 1>how you basically they don't know anything about wrestling like that,
<v Speaker 1>if you took anything from their little segues, they know
<v Speaker 1>nothing about wrestling.
<v Speaker 4>And their draft picks were wrestlers from twenty years ago.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's exactly my point. They have no idea
<v Speaker 1>who and what today's product is. So they go back
<v Speaker 1>to Andre, they go back to Hulk, they go back
<v Speaker 1>to iron chic, they go back to a time of
<v Speaker 1>you know, an infinity ago but thirty years ago that
<v Speaker 1>clearly they have no idea what it is today. And
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure when the cameras go off, they're rolling their
<v Speaker 1>eyes going, oh my god, I can't believe we're doing this,
<v Speaker 1>Like you know that they aren't true wrestling fans and
<v Speaker 1>it's just a joke to them, which.
<v Speaker 3>Is fine, like they don't have to like it.
<v Speaker 4>But being a partner now on that network, they are
<v Speaker 4>responsible and it is their job to promote whatever shows
<v Speaker 4>are on the network.
<v Speaker 3>So if at any time in WWE, there is a
<v Speaker 3>moment when.
<v Speaker 4>You should script something, this should be it. Give them
<v Speaker 4>exactly what you want them to read off. That's what
<v Speaker 4>you need to what you need to do. Then you
<v Speaker 4>prevent everything from if we're taking it back a few
<v Speaker 4>weeks too, when when I don't know the announcer's name
<v Speaker 4>or the commentator's name, but when he referred to Raymisteria
<v Speaker 4>as the nojo liber guy like you, you could prevent
<v Speaker 4>all this from happening and actually make yourself look like
<v Speaker 4>a legit and sports brand being on this network.
<v Speaker 3>So oh, it's just so many things just.
<v Speaker 1>Just oh god, And look, I mean we've flew seen
<v Speaker 1>drafts before. We actually just had a draft not too
<v Speaker 1>long ago. That I mean, there are never any tried
<v Speaker 1>and true, consistent ways that WWE does their drafts. Ever.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, sometimes it's Vince McMahon out there making the
<v Speaker 1>picks on behalf of you know, the general managers. Sometimes
<v Speaker 1>it's two general managers out there at once making their
<v Speaker 1>pick for their respective brands. But to us to believe
<v Speaker 1>that it's the network executives that are ones pulling the
<v Speaker 1>strings to make the decisions is just it's just flat
<v Speaker 1>out wrong. It's just you. I mean, I understand the
<v Speaker 1>war room, but why weren't there any faces of WWE
<v Speaker 1>unless I missed it because I was just getting fed
<v Speaker 1>up with seeing the war room is having Eric Bischoff
<v Speaker 1>there have a face of WWE that hey, hey, guys like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is these are the networks we're on. But maybe
<v Speaker 1>we should get some input from the guys and gals
<v Speaker 1>that are working in the w WE that have the
<v Speaker 1>management level attributes to actually have an input on our picks.
<v Speaker 1>And maybe the oh well maybe they're on the phone
<v Speaker 1>in the conference. Well, I don't know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>And honestly, that's what I thought that they were gonna do.
<v Speaker 3>I thought this would be the perfect opportunity.
<v Speaker 4>I'm I actually talked to my friends about it, I thought,
<v Speaker 4>because I was wondering, like how who.
<v Speaker 3>Was gonna make the picks themselves.
<v Speaker 4>Because obviously they've done a way of general managers and
<v Speaker 4>like quote authority figures, especially with Sham McMahon and being
<v Speaker 4>fired for right now. So I was very curious to
<v Speaker 4>see who was going to actually make the picks, and
<v Speaker 4>so I figured this would be a perfect time to
<v Speaker 4>have Eric Bischoff come out.
<v Speaker 3>Like just imagine that, like PEP would be so well.
<v Speaker 4>I can't speak for the majority, but I would have
<v Speaker 4>been excited to see Eric Bischoff come out sitting at
<v Speaker 4>the podium and make the picks and then have Paul
<v Speaker 4>Hammond come out for the row side and just fight
<v Speaker 4>his first and not saying that I want them to
<v Speaker 4>be on air characters going forward in that respective role,
<v Speaker 4>but at least for tonight, it would have made the
<v Speaker 4>perfect It's like, since WDW themselves put out a release
<v Speaker 4>when both of these individuals were hired or promoted to
<v Speaker 4>that position, it's not like it's just something that like
<v Speaker 4>us insider or hardcore fans know, they release it themselves.
<v Speaker 4>So when a perfect sense to have them come out
<v Speaker 4>and respectfully represent each brand, but they just didn't, and
<v Speaker 4>they had Stephanie come out and that was just like
<v Speaker 4>that was just the lackluss like and she was just
<v Speaker 4>reading through like a group like each like a I
<v Speaker 4>get the realm idea, that kind of makes sense, but
<v Speaker 4>she just went through like a handful of each time.
<v Speaker 4>So it's not even like we got to see that
<v Speaker 4>each individual's wrestlers react to either moving to a different
<v Speaker 4>brand or staying on the brand or whatever. So it
<v Speaker 4>was just man like, it was just so many things
<v Speaker 4>that they just could have done differently and should have
<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, And.
<v Speaker 1>Again it's just I think a microcosm of the larger
<v Speaker 1>issue that WW has on a consistent basis is just overproducing,
<v Speaker 1>overbooking everything, everything, even they're booking a dround that's overbooked.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you saw it at Helen a cell and
<v Speaker 1>I haven't even talked to you about that. With that
<v Speaker 1>whole conundrum of oh my god, finally and now that
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I just thought of it with everything
<v Speaker 1>else going on with the draft, so we we'll talk
<v Speaker 1>about that for sure, But that's just an example of
<v Speaker 1>them overthinking and overproducing everything. Keeping it simple is the
<v Speaker 1>way to go for most of what you need to do.
<v Speaker 1>And Stephanie McMahon coming out there and I'm basically asking
<v Speaker 1>for booze and people just people are like looking at her,
<v Speaker 1>going Stephanie, like, we don't even have the energy to
<v Speaker 1>boo you anymore.
<v Speaker 4>And so we should have been a huge red flag
<v Speaker 4>yes to them in the back whoped it was, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>because even if the McMahon can't get.
<v Speaker 3>Booed, then you know something's wrong. I think people it's Stephanie.
<v Speaker 3>It's Stephanie and and and it's not like you Vince
<v Speaker 3>go out there. It's Stephanie, right, and.
<v Speaker 1>Thank God for Vince, because Vince McMahon as of late,
<v Speaker 1>it's just I don't know, ever since the last few
<v Speaker 1>years three four, five years, he just doesn't seem right
<v Speaker 1>on the mic or in the ring and something. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I think it's just age getting to him. He's just
<v Speaker 1>not as sharp anymore and looks he's seventy some years old.
<v Speaker 1>But right, yeah, so yes, Stephanie out there and pretending
<v Speaker 1>that every pick. And furthermore, you have the the what
<v Speaker 1>is it the pre show team with Samoa, Joe and
<v Speaker 1>Renee Young Booker T, who is just honestly, I want
<v Speaker 1>somebody to just follow Booker T around and write a
<v Speaker 1>transcript for everything he says every time he's out there.
<v Speaker 1>Everything like he puts sentences together that I've never heard
<v Speaker 1>put together that makes no sense. He Having him on commentary,
<v Speaker 1>it was like I hated him on commentary, but at
<v Speaker 1>the same time it was just so awful. It was
<v Speaker 1>like watching a carrect sometimes he had to see it,
<v Speaker 1>so having him out there, But look, everybody on that
<v Speaker 1>on the team, of course, nobody's gonna put anybody down
<v Speaker 1>as a terrible pick. Everything everyone did was a great pick.
<v Speaker 1>It was a great slash. Yeah, it's just not real.
<v Speaker 1>And I understand that they can't undermine their own guys
<v Speaker 1>and gals. I get it. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>if this was a true draft, you would have criticism.
<v Speaker 1>You would have people second guessing picks instead, well they're
<v Speaker 1>well balanced or you know, awesome pick by raw some
<v Speaker 1>back down. What are they supposed to say? I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>And this would.
<v Speaker 4>Have been the time and I think that's why I
<v Speaker 4>was kind of hoping they would have spaced out each
<v Speaker 4>pick kind of like what they did. I don't know
<v Speaker 4>if it was the first ever draft that they did
<v Speaker 4>or maybe this like I don't know, back in its infancy,
<v Speaker 4>when all the wrestlers were sitting backstage, and I remember
<v Speaker 4>this one moment specifically because it was a huge deal
<v Speaker 4>to me.
<v Speaker 3>The Dudley boys had ended up getting.
<v Speaker 4>Drafted separately, Bubble went to Raw and Devon went to
<v Speaker 4>SmackDown and just seeing their look in the devastation, knowing
<v Speaker 4>that they're no longer going to be a team and
<v Speaker 4>that they got broken up, and just everything like it,
<v Speaker 4>just like it enhanced the emotion behind it and just
<v Speaker 4>really drove them the idea of the draft, And that's
<v Speaker 4>just what we were missing, like I was hoping, especially
<v Speaker 4>now with them wanting to go with the more sports
<v Speaker 4>like vibe, this would have been a time to Okay,
<v Speaker 4>if you're gonna choose whomever, have a picture of them
<v Speaker 4>come up if you can't show them backstage for whatever reason,
<v Speaker 4>and just give them a brief FIO. Just top three
<v Speaker 4>four bullet points like they do when the wrestlers are
<v Speaker 4>making their entrance.
<v Speaker 3>But this would have been a good time too.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you are drafting a Lujah House party, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I probably wouldn't have chosen them nowhere near as highland
<v Speaker 4>as they were chosen, but at least put up a
<v Speaker 4>few facts to at least they're something. All right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, probably wouldn't have chosen this high.
<v Speaker 4>But at least I know that they've done this, this
<v Speaker 4>and this, so just again like just something that I
<v Speaker 4>hope they tweak for Monday, because we still have a
<v Speaker 4>second half of this thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yes we do. I just I just thought about it
<v Speaker 1>as well. We still have part two of this, and
<v Speaker 1>I mean, don't I don't really know why they only
<v Speaker 1>made thirty candidates available now thirty candidates available on Monday.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, I find I know they're
<v Speaker 1>trying to make it a two day event and started
<v Speaker 1>off hot on SmackDown on Friday. I get that. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure that it'll continue Monday night. And I know Roman
<v Speaker 1>Rings is available. He'll probably be the number one pick
<v Speaker 1>if I you know, well, I'm sorry, no, he was
<v Speaker 1>picked on SmackDown this past week.
<v Speaker 4>But that and that, yes, that whole draft pool in
<v Speaker 4>and of itself was completely confusing because I had no
<v Speaker 4>I like, I saw the release that they put out,
<v Speaker 4>and unless I missed it, the only one that I
<v Speaker 4>read just gave like a breakdown of how many superstars
<v Speaker 4>are going to be drafted.
<v Speaker 3>But I guess I didn't realize that.
<v Speaker 4>Each show is gonna have only like a certain select
<v Speaker 4>like not even amount, but just certain superstars for each show.
<v Speaker 3>So I had no idea.
<v Speaker 4>So when I see Becky Lynch, I'm like, all right, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>that makes sense whatever, and then remains Okay, it makes sense.
<v Speaker 4>But then I'm like, wait, what, Like I think it
<v Speaker 4>was the OC that was picked third, I'm like, wait,
<v Speaker 4>where's Brock, Where's Steth?
<v Speaker 3>Like, So then I had.
<v Speaker 4>To go back on Twitter and be like, oh, okay,
<v Speaker 4>well yeah that all right. That I guess that makes
<v Speaker 4>sense then because you can only.
<v Speaker 3>Choose this certain like group of people. But then I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>well wait a minute.
<v Speaker 4>So as the picks go on, I'm like this list
<v Speaker 4>that I'm referencing, which is their pool of available superstars,
<v Speaker 4>is literally the exact list of the superstars that they're
<v Speaker 4>choosing in the exact order, Like did you see that
<v Speaker 4>list that was out there?
<v Speaker 3>So they released I.
<v Speaker 4>Think it was either the WWE on Fox account or
<v Speaker 4>one of ww's like verified accounts released the like the
<v Speaker 4>rules like there there's three bullet points, and then separately
<v Speaker 4>there was these two lists. One list that's going to
<v Speaker 4>be the pool for superstars available on SmackDown, and then
<v Speaker 4>a separate list that's available on Raw. Well, once I
<v Speaker 4>realized or once I was confused as to why the
<v Speaker 4>OC was chosen before, oh, I don't know, brock Lesner
<v Speaker 4>and I went on Twitter to try to figure out
<v Speaker 4>what was going on.
<v Speaker 3>I found this list and I'm like, well wait. Once
<v Speaker 3>we got to the fifth one, I was like, sometimes
<v Speaker 3>not right.
<v Speaker 4>Like this list that they released their pool is literally
<v Speaker 4>the exact order that they're revealing on as the show
<v Speaker 4>was going on. So Matt, sure enough, at the end
<v Speaker 4>of the show, the exact list that they released is the.
<v Speaker 3>Order that they announced on the show. I was blown away.
<v Speaker 4>Now, hopefully it generated enough buzz so they at least
<v Speaker 4>change it on Monday.
<v Speaker 3>But God, and I saw that, I was like, you
<v Speaker 3>gotta be kidding me.
<v Speaker 4>You're a billion dollar company, a billion dot How.
<v Speaker 1>The details like this that just get overlooked it people
<v Speaker 1>don't care. I mean, that is egregious. I mean, you
<v Speaker 1>you can't that that is right there a believability killer,
<v Speaker 1>like you can't. You can't do this like that is
<v Speaker 1>that's inexcusable to do that, because I mean if it
<v Speaker 1>was verbatim, line by line in h in which they
<v Speaker 1>were picked, that.
<v Speaker 3>Is literally I mean that literally. I don't know after
<v Speaker 3>the show.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, after the show, I'll go back and find it
<v Speaker 4>and tagging it on it. But yeah, it was literally
<v Speaker 4>the exact list. Because I was like, this is so weird,
<v Speaker 4>like something's not right, and I was like, you.
<v Speaker 3>Gotta be freaking kidding me, man, Like wow, all right.
<v Speaker 4>All right, so well we'll see how Mondays turn out,
<v Speaker 4>but they've got to at least tweak a few of
<v Speaker 4>them come Monday, so it's not the exact same as Friday.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I was just blown away.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if they do that again Monday, I mean, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>well please tag me on that. I wanna, you know,
<v Speaker 1>I want to go on a ramp. Maybe maybe if
<v Speaker 1>I see that, I'll switch on the mic and just
<v Speaker 1>go off. I'm telling you, it's like that kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell. But yeah, So I mean, overall, though,
<v Speaker 1>looking at this in part one as a whole. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's it's evenly balanced, I guess. I mean, yes, raw
<v Speaker 1>gets three picks for every smackdowns too because of the
<v Speaker 1>extra hour. We understand that. And they were picked about
<v Speaker 1>in the way that you would expect people to be
<v Speaker 1>picked for the majority of it. I would have put
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Owens a little bit higher up, to be honest
<v Speaker 1>with you, and not have him go in the third round,
<v Speaker 1>which was surprising. I probably would have put him above
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Lashley of all freaking people he was picked. Yeah, so, uh,
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Owens was picked in the third round. Bobby lash
<v Speaker 1>Year was picked in the second round. I mean it's
<v Speaker 1>just like you know, I don't know, so something like
<v Speaker 1>that really speaks to where Kevin Owens is. All this
<v Speaker 1>was is a really a standing of how w W
<v Speaker 1>views their talent. That's all this is. That's all the
<v Speaker 1>draft is is, too sure, is a public of showing
<v Speaker 1>of how w W internally views the importance and overness
<v Speaker 1>I guess, for lack of a better term, of their talent.
<v Speaker 1>That's all this is.
<v Speaker 3>It's like it's a form of a slammyas in a way, it's.
<v Speaker 4>Like you you now have the badge of being the
<v Speaker 4>number one like draft pick of all time, like each show,
<v Speaker 4>like Becky Lynch is already bragging about being the number
<v Speaker 4>one draft pick, which is cool.
<v Speaker 3>Like rightfully so, but it's just like, and she.
<v Speaker 1>Was a number one draft pick for the last time
<v Speaker 1>we had this draft, the number one female draft pick. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 1>yes she was. So she gets drafted to raw and
<v Speaker 1>she can claimed that she was the number one pick
<v Speaker 1>for both you know, both drafts. So I mean, rightfully, so,
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with picking Lynch. She's super over I'm fine
<v Speaker 1>with it. I have no problem with her being the
<v Speaker 1>number one overall pick. And Roman reigns as a smack
<v Speaker 1>down number one overall pick. What what would you expect?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, really so well, before we get to the
<v Speaker 1>Helena cell, which I want to talk to you after
<v Speaker 1>this next topic is Bailey Bay. Yes, finally truly turned
<v Speaker 1>slaughtered the Bailey Buddies in very dramatic fashion, which I loved.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if she's listening to this show or
<v Speaker 1>if WWE is just listening to the overall vibe of
<v Speaker 1>the audience of saying, hey, Bailey is super stale, like
<v Speaker 1>we don't feel anything for Bailey we haven't felt anything
<v Speaker 1>for Bailey since she debuted. I mean seriously, they have
<v Speaker 1>completely destroyed her. For the most part. She's had some
<v Speaker 1>nice moments, but in the general scheme of how that
<v Speaker 1>she has been presented in the storyline, she's been in
<v Speaker 1>the terrible storyline she's been in with Sasha Banks and
<v Speaker 1>her not being able to translate properly over to the
<v Speaker 1>main roster. I would give her overall career since NXT
<v Speaker 1>like a C minus or a D. Now she gets
<v Speaker 1>a second chance at life. She has been brought back
<v Speaker 1>as what I wanted to see, although I'd like to
<v Speaker 1>see like a leather jacket or something, but hell, they
<v Speaker 1>have got ninety percent of the way of what I
<v Speaker 1>wanted to see with Bailey. She comes out, tears down
<v Speaker 1>the Bailey Buddies, defeats so Pete Charlotte Flair is now
<v Speaker 1>again the SmackDown Women's Champion, and we have, of course
<v Speaker 1>another short title R and I'm not a fan of it,
<v Speaker 1>but in this case, I'm willing to make that sacrifice
<v Speaker 1>for a heel Bailey. Then she comes on and says,
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say it. She said that when we get
<v Speaker 1>worse for words, she said listen, bitches. I think, uh,
<v Speaker 1>she said you can kiss my ass. All of you
<v Speaker 1>can kiss my ass. I'm almost pretty sure that that's
<v Speaker 1>exactly what she said. I loved it. I think it
<v Speaker 1>was awesome. I would like more of an explanation, which
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we'll get, but I love the haircut. Her
<v Speaker 1>attire was a little bit different. Her music is certainly
<v Speaker 1>different if you listened at the end. I'm a plus
<v Speaker 1>all the way around on this. How do you feel, dude?
<v Speaker 3>I am so here for it. The second she came
<v Speaker 3>out and I saw that hoodie, I was.
<v Speaker 4>Like, what is she wearing? Like this is kind of odd?
<v Speaker 4>And now I was like, oh, something's going on.
<v Speaker 3>And ma'am. When I saw the hair, I was like,
<v Speaker 3>say it isn't so. And dude, when she tore down
<v Speaker 3>those Bailey buddies, I was so happy, so happy.
<v Speaker 4>It made me forget about everything DRAGT related and just
<v Speaker 4>all the nonsense that I just watched.
<v Speaker 3>For two hours. It was perfect and like you, like
<v Speaker 3>I was. Normally I would be.
<v Speaker 4>Very upset about a short title run, especially with the
<v Speaker 4>being Charlotte's tenth Rain and only lasting a week, like
<v Speaker 4>I would have you know, had some feelings about that,
<v Speaker 4>But man.
<v Speaker 3>Like, this was so well done.
<v Speaker 4>The only thing I may have probably would have tweaked
<v Speaker 4>a little bit would be when Bailey ran down to
<v Speaker 4>the ring and they started the match, like just had
<v Speaker 4>her be so aggressive right off the bat and just
<v Speaker 4>get in a good like stiff shots on Charlotte just
<v Speaker 4>to kind of drive home the character change. But man like,
<v Speaker 4>I'm just so so happy that they finally pulled the
<v Speaker 4>trigger and just actually visually let us embrace the change.
<v Speaker 4>Besides just like a low blow or something that's common
<v Speaker 4>and that pretty much anyone can do, this was different.
<v Speaker 3>This was a dramatic statement. She literally cut off her trademark,
<v Speaker 3>which is that poonytail.
<v Speaker 4>She sliced those Bailly buddies down all the way down
<v Speaker 4>and knocked them off the stage like it was perfect.
<v Speaker 4>And that one shot, I think it was the green
<v Speaker 4>Bailly Buddy just falling on her head and just falling
<v Speaker 4>off like it was just so poetic. Like it was
<v Speaker 4>just so well done. I'm just I'm here for it
<v Speaker 4>and I can't wait to hear her first actual promo
<v Speaker 4>next week.
<v Speaker 1>There's no going back, and I could see that, I mean,
<v Speaker 1>they are fully committed now. You cannot have her go back.
<v Speaker 1>They clearly have a plan. I hope they do. I've
<v Speaker 1>been waiting for this for over a year or more.
<v Speaker 1>I think this is more well overdue, but welcome. I am.
<v Speaker 1>I am so about this. And yes, seeing that Bailly
<v Speaker 1>buddy fall on her head is you can just see
<v Speaker 1>that as a jiff coming. I mean I'm like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>something like somebody like you know, you can see some
<v Speaker 1>kind of meme coming from that. And look, it's a
<v Speaker 1>perfect symbolic destruction of who she was. And that's exactly
<v Speaker 1>what they did. She came out and as you said
<v Speaker 1>with the hook, I said, what the heck, what is this?
<v Speaker 1>You know, like this, something's not right here. She changes
<v Speaker 1>expression from her typical you know, happy go lucky face all,
<v Speaker 1>you know, down to just a neutral kind of nasty smile,
<v Speaker 1>and I loved it. Destroys the Bailey Buddies. Everything about this,
<v Speaker 1>you know, was great. You know, if there was a tweak,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it would have been that, you know, natural selection
<v Speaker 1>wasn't no sold. And then all of a sudden she
<v Speaker 1>just rolled up, I mean like you know that kind
<v Speaker 1>of thing, like all of a sudden she just no
<v Speaker 1>sells it. I mean she got a hit. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte executed it perfectly, and all of a sudden, you know,
<v Speaker 1>Bailey just pops up and rolls her up and whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But fine, look, I'm willing to look through all of
<v Speaker 1>that because of how important this turn is and how
<v Speaker 1>excited I am for seeing her as a SmackDown women's champion,
<v Speaker 1>being dominant, being nasty, doing anything to win, coming at
<v Speaker 1>the audience saying, you know, I've been in your corner
<v Speaker 1>for how many years and you guys haven't supported me. Like,
<v Speaker 1>there's ways to go about this that she can totally
<v Speaker 1>blame the audience. I want to see and hear her
<v Speaker 1>go a curse once in a while because that's so nasty. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>just be a total you know what. I want Bailey
<v Speaker 1>to do that and just see what she has because
<v Speaker 1>I think it's there and I think that this is
<v Speaker 1>legitimately going to cause some girls and probably little boys
<v Speaker 1>to cry. Apparently there was something out there about that.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, there was something about a little boy or
<v Speaker 1>something that like lost his mind because Bailey did this,
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what I love, Like WWA should not shy
<v Speaker 1>away from that. Is this is not you know, blues
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<v Speaker 4>And I think one of the things that I love
<v Speaker 4>the most about it well too.
<v Speaker 3>The first short one is the follow up last week.
<v Speaker 3>She was devastated.
<v Speaker 4>She was emotionally invisibly distraught after her loss. It took
<v Speaker 4>her a good amount of time to make it to
<v Speaker 4>the back. We saw Charlotte walk by her with a
<v Speaker 4>title and Bailey's just sitting on the floor just looking
<v Speaker 4>up at her, just like just so devastated that she was,
<v Speaker 4>and she finally snapped, like literally she snapped. This week
<v Speaker 4>and it's just so refreshing to see at least one
<v Speaker 4>storyline just pay off, besides the fiend and all that stuff, but.
<v Speaker 3>Just something actually go consistent from.
<v Speaker 4>One week to the next and just have some type
<v Speaker 4>of resolution and progression for the weeks to.
<v Speaker 3>Come, like something that actually makes sense.
<v Speaker 4>Like Bailey loss last week, lost to Charlotte, came out
<v Speaker 4>this week, Snap changed her character, did what she needed
<v Speaker 4>to do to regain.
<v Speaker 3>Her title, and now which leads.
<v Speaker 4>Into my second point, this is like a completely different run.
<v Speaker 4>It kind of in a weird way, makes you forget
<v Speaker 4>that she was just champion because this is a completely different.
<v Speaker 3>Bailey as champion.
<v Speaker 4>She is, hopefully if they stay the course, is going
<v Speaker 4>to be this just vindictive champion.
<v Speaker 3>This you know what, just went in to prove her dominance,
<v Speaker 3>improve her worth on the brand. And I'm curious to.
<v Speaker 4>See, now that Sasha is officially on SmackDown unless they
<v Speaker 4>change it on Monday, how long it takes for them
<v Speaker 4>to score off.
<v Speaker 3>Against each other.
<v Speaker 4>And if Sasha, which she has to be at this
<v Speaker 4>point with both of them, but Sasha becoming the baby
<v Speaker 4>face and all this.
<v Speaker 1>She could she could, I mean, I think they kind
<v Speaker 1>of dropped the ball a little bit with Sasha and
<v Speaker 1>her run appeal because she came back hot as hell,
<v Speaker 1>and then they just let her go out there every
<v Speaker 1>week and all this you know, Sasha is back, and
<v Speaker 1>they got took her off the mic, which is what
<v Speaker 1>took a lot of the steam away from her heel
<v Speaker 1>run and it was just it ended up really cooling
<v Speaker 1>off by the time she scored up with Becky Lynch.
<v Speaker 1>But maybe they end up as you know, a team.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it is another turn by Sasha where the fans
<v Speaker 1>started to you know, you know, go with Sasha because
<v Speaker 1>of how nasty Bailey is. I don't know, but yes,
<v Speaker 1>this is basically a second chance at life for Bailey.
<v Speaker 1>Like I, as you said, I really forgot that she
<v Speaker 1>was SmackDown Women's Champion. At times she became like the
<v Speaker 1>wallpaper in the room, you just kind of forget it's there.
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't want to feel like that with the
<v Speaker 1>backdown Women's Championship on SmackDown. That is the top championship
<v Speaker 1>for the women that's available on that brand, and it
<v Speaker 1>became lost in the sauce, like I forgot it was there, Oh,
<v Speaker 1>Bailey's champion. It didn't feel like anything. Now she has
<v Speaker 1>a mission, Now she has something she's fighting for, whatever
<v Speaker 1>that may be, we'll find out. I'm all about this,
<v Speaker 1>willing to give it a chance, and I hope there's
<v Speaker 1>a long term plan here in place, and it's not
<v Speaker 1>just week to week. We'll see what happens. It's no,
<v Speaker 1>we're committed to this, hopefully just six plus months. I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see a one two month, three month
<v Speaker 1>title ran out of Bailey. I wanted to go to
<v Speaker 1>WrestleMania or maybe beyond. One small side note is I
<v Speaker 1>wonder if Charlotte can ever have a match in which
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't get her mouth busted open. I mean, is
<v Speaker 1>it possible?
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think you say that that's I just
<v Speaker 5>got that visual, like as as soon as you said
<v Speaker 5>of just her with the either bloody nose or a
<v Speaker 5>bloody lip, just just always that's so.
<v Speaker 1>Every time, every time, Oh man, it's great. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what it is. I don't know what I mean, Like, look,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it does part of it, and she's not
<v Speaker 1>purposely trying it for it every single time. Her lips swollen,
<v Speaker 1>you know, her nose is slightly you know, tweaked or
<v Speaker 1>something like I'm looking at this. She not got a
<v Speaker 1>tooth or lips busted something. I don't know what it is,
<v Speaker 1>if she's if it's.
<v Speaker 3>It's those flares. Man, They're they're easy bleeders.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they they do bleed very well. I'll tell you.
<v Speaker 1>Let mean, oh my god, that the rick soaked in
<v Speaker 1>blood with that bleach blond, hairy. It's a great visual.
<v Speaker 1>So I mean overall, yeah, I love it. I really
<v Speaker 1>hope that they have long term plans and the follow ups,
<v Speaker 1>the key and follow through in long term planning here,
<v Speaker 1>but moving on here just a little bit is and
<v Speaker 1>let's just get to it, because I have this on
<v Speaker 1>my list. If I don't talk about this, I'm I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to miss it. Helen us Sell. I know
<v Speaker 1>we haven't had a chance to talk, and I know
<v Speaker 1>that it was last a week ago now, but I
<v Speaker 1>just got to ask you because yes, Sasha and yes,
<v Speaker 1>Becky I think had a hell of a match. I
<v Speaker 1>really enjoy their Helen a Cell match. I've talked about that,
<v Speaker 1>and I've also talked about the just utter disaster that
<v Speaker 1>was the main event that was critically panned. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it was awful by the audience and attendance. Twitter people
<v Speaker 1>aren't softening on this and looking back going oh, well,
<v Speaker 1>you know it's not so bad. No people hated it.
<v Speaker 1>So what did you think about the Helena Cell main
<v Speaker 1>event in your world?
<v Speaker 3>My gosh, where do I start?
<v Speaker 4>So I can't remember being so let down by a
<v Speaker 4>finish in quite some time, and it wasn't even I'm
<v Speaker 4>not gonna say it wasn't, but the majority of my
<v Speaker 4>disappointment wasn't because of the whether you want to call
<v Speaker 4>it a DQ or if it's an officially called a
<v Speaker 4>not or a stoppage by the referee. I think that's
<v Speaker 4>the official ruling for it right now, referee stoppage.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So.
<v Speaker 4>Why that match weren't a stoppage as opposed to every
<v Speaker 4>other hell in a Cell match that has been in
<v Speaker 4>existence is beyond me. But my biggest thing is how
<v Speaker 4>the hell do you beat the fiend in the future.
<v Speaker 4>This guy just visually everything that was stacked on top
<v Speaker 4>of him, chairs, ladders, a toolbox. He got hit with
<v Speaker 4>a sledgehammer, like, he got hit in the face with
<v Speaker 4>the chair, like all these things that set did to him.
<v Speaker 4>I don't even remember the exact count of these stomps
<v Speaker 4>that he withstood. But it's just all these things and
<v Speaker 4>for him to not be like no movement, no nothing,
<v Speaker 4>to the point where the referee you need to stop
<v Speaker 4>the match. Okay, I'm not happy, but honestly, I didn't
<v Speaker 4>expect a clean victory one way or another side.
<v Speaker 3>I figured something.
<v Speaker 4>Was gonna be fishy at the end of the match,
<v Speaker 4>but I didn't expect it to be this type of cluster.
<v Speaker 3>But just to see the fiend go through all this and.
<v Speaker 4>Then within seconds maybe a minute, jump up and hit
<v Speaker 4>the maniple claw and stuff like nothing happened, and then
<v Speaker 4>seth have all this blood just pouring out of them,
<v Speaker 4>Like what That's my biggest thing, because yes, if you
<v Speaker 4>don't want to put the title on him right now,
<v Speaker 4>that's fine. You shouldn't have booked the match to begin with.
<v Speaker 3>But whatever, fine you did, and I have to get
<v Speaker 3>out of it. But how do you beat him going forward?
<v Speaker 4>Like that's my thing, because how you're going to hit
<v Speaker 4>like a few finishing moves and beat him one two, three,
<v Speaker 4>Like that's my concern going forward is like he just
<v Speaker 4>went through all this on Sunday and for what. And
<v Speaker 4>the thing that's most telling I think out of all
<v Speaker 4>this is the fact that they did not address it
<v Speaker 4>once on Monday.
<v Speaker 3>Or on SmackDown.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, the Fiend came out and attacked Seth, but they
<v Speaker 4>didn't address the horrible finish on Sunday at all. And
<v Speaker 4>the fact that cancel your network or whatever it was phrased,
<v Speaker 4>was trending on Sunday for I don't even know how
<v Speaker 4>many hours. It's just my gosh, so many things with
<v Speaker 4>that one, so many things, and like.
<v Speaker 3>It was at the point where I'm sorry, it was
<v Speaker 3>at the point where.
<v Speaker 4>On Monday, like or on Sunday especially, but like on Monday,
<v Speaker 4>like I didn't even want to see the Fiend, like
<v Speaker 4>I'm happy we didn't, like I didn't even care, Like
<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to see him come out, Like just
<v Speaker 4>you just you took all the fun out of it,
<v Speaker 4>all the fun, like you didn't need the book the
<v Speaker 4>match to begin with. Now you ruined Seth, Like poor Seth.
<v Speaker 4>The past six seventy eight months for him has been horrible.
<v Speaker 3>So it's just a nightmare.
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad they're I'm pretty sure they're on separate brands now.
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sure the Fiend went to SmackDown, right yes, okay, yes.
<v Speaker 1>The Fiend did, and hopefully Seth Rollins goes to raw.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but look, yeah, when they announced this match,
<v Speaker 1>I said, I was even uncomfortable when they first announced it,
<v Speaker 1>because I go, how are they gonna get out of this?
<v Speaker 1>You can't have Seth lose clean. You're sure as all
<v Speaker 1>can of the Fiend lose clean. There's got to be
<v Speaker 1>something that they have up their sleeve. And oh, they
<v Speaker 1>had something up their sleeve in the event of a
<v Speaker 1>eleven stomp pedigree, chairs, ladders, tables, sledgehammer, and helen to sell.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they took everything and through it at this match,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the problem. On top of the fact that
<v Speaker 1>you add in that, what makes the Fiend so damned
<v Speaker 1>special is you don't see him so much. He is
<v Speaker 1>not built. His character is not built for a fifteen
<v Speaker 1>to twenty minute match. It is built for a five
<v Speaker 1>to ten minute match. Get him the hell out of
<v Speaker 1>there and leave. The length of this match was almost
<v Speaker 1>as sinful as the actual finish itself, because it's the
<v Speaker 1>opposite of what makes the Fiend awesome. I know they're
<v Speaker 1>trying to maximize how long he's on the screen, but
<v Speaker 1>you're actually doing more damage by doing that. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the finish with eleven Stops was just terrible. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I know what they're going for that he's this superhuman
<v Speaker 1>monster like nightmare that can't be put down. But the
<v Speaker 1>reaches a point where even the most ardent of fans,
<v Speaker 1>the ones that stick around through all of the good
<v Speaker 1>and the bad and are with you for the ride,
<v Speaker 1>roll their eyes and go that this is this is
<v Speaker 1>just not believable. Like you have you have taken me
<v Speaker 1>out of the moment. I am not even in the
<v Speaker 1>moment anymore, because you guys have gone well way beyond
<v Speaker 1>anything that's like okay, like come on, really, eleven eleven
<v Speaker 1>stops and you're gonna take it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, And one of I'm sorry, one of the
<v Speaker 4>worst things about it is Okay, so this is the
<v Speaker 4>very next show after your debut night on Fox where
<v Speaker 4>you gain millions of views, all these new eyes, this
<v Speaker 4>new network, all this hype going into Helen to sell.
<v Speaker 3>Granted, it only had.
<v Speaker 4>I think three maybe four officially announced matches on the card. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>they added some later on whatever, but this was your
<v Speaker 4>main event to that pay per view after your Fox debut,
<v Speaker 4>And this is the type of finish that great. The
<v Speaker 4>idea of going to Fox, obviously at the end of
<v Speaker 4>the day, would be to generate more network subscribers as well,
<v Speaker 4>because the whole idea is you moved to a new network,
<v Speaker 4>new people see, they don't like your product, they order
<v Speaker 4>the network to see Helen to sell. So let's say
<v Speaker 4>someone did that and then this is the type of
<v Speaker 4>finish that they see, like, what the hell is this?
<v Speaker 3>Like, why would I stay tuned? I would be like, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>if I.
<v Speaker 4>Was just a football fan or just one of those
<v Speaker 4>people that they were trying to get and I tune
<v Speaker 4>in and I see this because I'm on my free
<v Speaker 4>trial and I see this, I'm like, no, there's no way,
<v Speaker 4>There's no way. And then I'm done and I'm checked out.
<v Speaker 3>Like that was their moment to make a big impact, more.
<v Speaker 4>So maybe that night than on Fox, because even if
<v Speaker 4>people didn't tune in, that word would have gone around,
<v Speaker 4>and then maybe that next week on SmackDown you could
<v Speaker 4>follow up and there'd be more hype and just they.
<v Speaker 3>Just blew it.
<v Speaker 1>They just blew it. It was again I talked about
<v Speaker 1>a few minutes ago, the most overproduced, overbooked segment that
<v Speaker 1>I've seen from WWE in the longest time, and they
<v Speaker 1>put themselves in this position. I don't think that Seth
<v Speaker 1>and Bray should have been anywhere near each other for
<v Speaker 1>the next four months. I mean, like, let's wait on that.
<v Speaker 1>And clearly that they wanted this match, and it made
<v Speaker 1>no sense to put them together at this time. It
<v Speaker 1>was way too soon and we all knew that this
<v Speaker 1>match neither could afford a clean loss. So they go
<v Speaker 1>with the stoppage, and I was afraid that there would
<v Speaker 1>be some kind of finish like this because there's no
<v Speaker 1>other way out of it. I thought maybe braun Stroman
<v Speaker 1>was gonna interfere. Apparently he doesn't care that he was
<v Speaker 1>attacked the fiend that just got thrown by the wayside.
<v Speaker 1>I mean really like he attacked Legends. When you attacked Legends,
<v Speaker 1>you just and they're not able to, you know, compete anymore.
<v Speaker 1>You just go, well, that's that. You know they're not
<v Speaker 1>coming back. But with Ron Stroman, who has a hairpin trigger,
<v Speaker 1>gets put down with the mandible claw by Bray Wyatt,
<v Speaker 1>a former team member, a former family member, and then
<v Speaker 1>he just kind of well, you know, it happens like
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't even get any knowledge of it
<v Speaker 1>from It was just amazing that that got forgotten. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing from start to finish, on top of
<v Speaker 1>the red light that was draped across the entire ring,
<v Speaker 1>which I know the effect they're going for, but that
<v Speaker 1>was to me, it was distracting after a while. And
<v Speaker 1>maybe I wouldn't have hated it so much had the
<v Speaker 1>match been a lot shorter and booked not so stupid.
<v Speaker 1>For lack of a better term, I mean I think
<v Speaker 1>that maybe that's also a part of it. But this
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and yeah, you have the fiend out there.
<v Speaker 1>The crowd turning on the whole thing was awesome. Channing
<v Speaker 1>ae w we want a refund? I mean you name it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they were all. I love that, the audience in that
<v Speaker 1>in the crowd there, they couldn't so proud. It was awesome.
<v Speaker 1>I was sitting at home like shaking my head like
<v Speaker 1>thank you, this is awesome And it was awesome to
<v Speaker 1>hear and that wwe can actually you know, hey, there
<v Speaker 1>is an aew chan out there. There's an aw audience
<v Speaker 1>out there, and people are aware that there's a second
<v Speaker 1>there's a second place to go here for work. And so.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, overall, this was a disaster. We all know
<v Speaker 1>it was, and WWE was very smart in not mentioning
<v Speaker 1>a damn thing about it raw other than a quick
<v Speaker 1>video recap, not bringing Seth out, not bringing bray Wyatt out.
<v Speaker 1>That was the honestly, the only thing they could do,
<v Speaker 1>the only smart thing they could do was nothing. Just
<v Speaker 1>don't do anything, pretend this never happened. And that is
<v Speaker 1>the way to go with this, because you can't repair,
<v Speaker 1>you can't you can't do anything that will make the
<v Speaker 1>crowd not boo, So let's not do anything.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and exactly, that's exactly what I was about to say.
<v Speaker 4>They had to ignore it the night after which it
<v Speaker 4>was kind of an easy out. You can say that
<v Speaker 4>if you like, if not that they had to obviously,
<v Speaker 4>but in the back of our minds we could be thinking, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>like the fiend is that beat up whatever? But Seth
<v Speaker 4>was like literally like had blood pouring out of his mouth,
<v Speaker 4>so it makes sense why he wouldn't be there, So
<v Speaker 4>you shouldn't be expecting either one of them the night
<v Speaker 4>after all that all everything went down. But I think
<v Speaker 4>and then I was wondering if they were ever going
<v Speaker 4>to address it after the fact, because I figured the
<v Speaker 4>theme may be sent over to or smacked out.
<v Speaker 3>And I think what we saw on Friday is closure
<v Speaker 3>for them, at least for now. The Fiend coming.
<v Speaker 4>Out dragging Seth under the ring, kind of closing that
<v Speaker 4>chapter and then moving on. So I hope they I
<v Speaker 4>hope they keep them apart for quite some time.
<v Speaker 1>There's just no need. There's no need for this right now.
<v Speaker 1>They don't believe they are paralleling right now each other,
<v Speaker 1>and they don't need to cross each other for a
<v Speaker 1>long time. I mean, it's these guys are both on
<v Speaker 1>the ascent. You just established Seth Rellins as your guy
<v Speaker 1>by slaying a monster and a beast and a king
<v Speaker 1>and all these all these funny things that you know,
<v Speaker 1>all these names he comes up with for all of
<v Speaker 1>the different wrestlers. And that's fine, and I get it,
<v Speaker 1>and they're great marketing tools and all that. But he
<v Speaker 1>literally just beat the top guys in the business. You
<v Speaker 1>don't need him going against the hottest thing in the
<v Speaker 1>business right now when it just started, and you don't
<v Speaker 1>put him in that match right away. That's something again
<v Speaker 1>Royal Rumble. Maybe maybe even elimination Chamber or beyond that,
<v Speaker 1>but it was just way too soon. They were on
<v Speaker 1>similar paths and not ones that needed to be crossed.
<v Speaker 1>And then you add in hey, terrible finish, a misuse
<v Speaker 1>of finishers and overuse of finishers, overbooking, overproduced, terrible lighting,
<v Speaker 1>really unnecessarily long match that took away from the feel
<v Speaker 1>and mystique of the Fiend, and you add it all
<v Speaker 1>up and it's a big fat ass I mean, that's
<v Speaker 1>all you have to say about it. Unfortunately, it is,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the best thing about that match. The best
<v Speaker 1>thing and I said this earlier this week was the
<v Speaker 1>entrance of Bray White, which is still badass. Yep, that
<v Speaker 1>was the best part of the entire match, and.
<v Speaker 3>I love that day kept the lantern.
<v Speaker 4>There was some like rumors going around that people on
<v Speaker 4>WW thought it was too scary, or if people were
<v Speaker 4>complaining that it was too scary or whatever, but I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Just I'm happy they let him keep that just a
<v Speaker 3>small But.
<v Speaker 1>So let me get this straight. Ww's okay with you know,
<v Speaker 1>infidelity and you know, cheating wives live on television, but
<v Speaker 1>we can't have a scary lamp out there. Yeah, I mean, like,
<v Speaker 1>let's get this straight here. I mean come on, like,
<v Speaker 1>so if you're going to talk about the cardinal sins, right,
<v Speaker 1>but apparently that's okay, but you can't have a lamp
<v Speaker 1>that might scare the kids. I mean seriously, So all right, well,
<v Speaker 1>let's let's move on to something else, and something equally
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's equally bad depending on your perspective.
<v Speaker 1>Is Kofe Kingston lost last week in nine seconds to
<v Speaker 1>Brock Lester and comes face to face with Kane Velasquez.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't talked to you since then. But also this
<v Speaker 1>week on SmackDown, Kofe Kingston comes out like, you know, hey,
<v Speaker 1>he just he just had his third child born, he
<v Speaker 1>just came from the hospital, and or he just won
<v Speaker 1>the lottery and nothing's wrong and everything he struggled to get,
<v Speaker 1>man well was taken away week. But I'm out here
<v Speaker 1>to throw pancakes. That's what I'm here for, That's what
<v Speaker 1>pays me to do. So Kobe Kingston's back on the
<v Speaker 1>on the horse of the New Day and really just
<v Speaker 1>forgotten as WWE champion. What do you think about king
<v Speaker 1>Alaska's Brock winning in nine seconds?
<v Speaker 4>In Kofe's reaction, wow, so kam, let me start so
<v Speaker 4>I it was it was time for Kobe to lose.
<v Speaker 4>I was surprised that he was just squashed like that
<v Speaker 4>in however many seconds it was. I guess I shouldn't
<v Speaker 4>be surprised, but I was because I just, I don't know,
<v Speaker 4>for some reason, I just was expecting him to get
<v Speaker 4>in at least a little bit of offense, maybe like
<v Speaker 4>land a punch or I don't.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I don't really know what I was expecting, but I
<v Speaker 4>figured he was gonna lose Brock to the champion.
<v Speaker 3>Good stuff.
<v Speaker 4>King comes out At first, I honestly didn't recognize him until.
<v Speaker 3>They zoomed in. I was like, oh, wow, okay, So
<v Speaker 3>I'm not really that thrilled about it. I mean, Kane
<v Speaker 3>is very good.
<v Speaker 4>I'm looking forward to this one more than I'm looking
<v Speaker 4>forward to the Stroman Fury fight, just because Kane is.
<v Speaker 3>We've seen Kane in wrestling matches.
<v Speaker 4>He is pretty decent, like he can do a lot
<v Speaker 4>of the Lugen moves and stuff like that, so he's
<v Speaker 4>he looks like you can actually do the bare minimum
<v Speaker 4>and then some. So it should be a good fight match,
<v Speaker 4>whatever it ends up being. But I was really surprised
<v Speaker 4>with how they handled Kofe this week. I thought this
<v Speaker 4>week they needed and it was another well hyped show.
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't as big as last week's show, obviously, but
<v Speaker 4>you know it was. It was still a good or
<v Speaker 4>a well hyped show.
<v Speaker 3>It's supposed to be a big show.
<v Speaker 4>In the draft, the very first thing that we see
<v Speaker 4>from KOFE is him standing backstage holding the platter of
<v Speaker 4>pancakes with a huge smile on his face, like nothing happened, literally,
<v Speaker 4>like nothing happened the week before, and you were just
<v Speaker 4>champion for six months, you were just doing tours all
<v Speaker 4>over the world, promos, interviews, how much this means to you,
<v Speaker 4>eleven years, all that, and then you can't even show
<v Speaker 4>one ounce of sadness or distraught, just nothing, like you're
<v Speaker 4>just back there, just happy as can be. And I
<v Speaker 4>get like there was a charity that they needed to promote,
<v Speaker 4>but you can't tell me that they couldn't let him
<v Speaker 4>cut a thirty second or a minute promote somewhere in
<v Speaker 4>the night or before that package, just addressing the disappointment
<v Speaker 4>and his reaction to losing last week. You can't tell
<v Speaker 4>me that you couldn't have carved out any other segment
<v Speaker 4>and had an opportunity for him to at least address
<v Speaker 4>it briefly. So that just that killed me. That killed
<v Speaker 4>me with it, and not that I was the biggest
<v Speaker 4>KOFEE fan.
<v Speaker 3>I was happy for him because you put in the time,
<v Speaker 3>all that good stuff. But again, it's just one of
<v Speaker 3>those things.
<v Speaker 4>That and at this point, yeah, if he could, he
<v Speaker 4>can cut a promo next week addressing it, that's fine,
<v Speaker 4>I guess. But you literally just had him running out
<v Speaker 4>there smiling, just dancing, having a good time in throwing pancakes,
<v Speaker 4>like he didn't just lose the title that he fought
<v Speaker 4>for for eleven years. So whiles, why should we be
<v Speaker 4>invested in him going for it if he's not even
<v Speaker 4>upset that he lost the title?
<v Speaker 1>The answer is we shouldn't. If you don't care, if
<v Speaker 1>we if they don't care, I don't care. I mean
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was on board for the KOFE. You know,
<v Speaker 1>it's a feel good story.
<v Speaker 3>And why he lost so soon, I'm sorry, I'm sold.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>But like why he lost so soon?
<v Speaker 4>Like, can you at least say, man, I had an
<v Speaker 4>off night, obviously, Like it's obviously I had an off
<v Speaker 4>night like I really wanted a chance to get a
<v Speaker 4>reimagine we had a fighting clau just something just addressing,
<v Speaker 4>like you've been beating countless people, Kevin Owens, Randy or
<v Speaker 4>and all these people for the past six months and
<v Speaker 4>then you lose in eight seconds, nine seconds, Like, come on, man,
<v Speaker 4>just address it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no, nope, it's just forgotten because it's not
<v Speaker 1>about Kofe Kingston anymore. And I'm sure Vince McMahon is
<v Speaker 1>probably going backstage and reading a sigh of relief thing, Thank God,
<v Speaker 1>that's over. Let's move on to a real champion. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you know, Vince McMahon's backstay sinking that. I mean, Kofee
<v Speaker 1>Kingston was never a guy that Look, he was there
<v Speaker 1>for eleven years and Vitch McMahon never decided to push
<v Speaker 1>him to the top until he got a fluke injury
<v Speaker 1>or was it who got the fluke injury? Yeah, he
<v Speaker 1>got injured an elimination chamber and Kofe took his place,
<v Speaker 1>and you know, fate his what it is, and Kofe
<v Speaker 1>got the opportunity and that's when the fans were like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this is awesome, what a great match.
<v Speaker 1>This is believable Daniel Bryant, and it was a great story,
<v Speaker 1>and then he becomes champion, holds up for six months.
<v Speaker 1>But the whole time, it's not a matter of if
<v Speaker 1>Vince McMahon really wanted him, it's it's the audience that did.
<v Speaker 1>And we all went on that journey. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's no secret that I was never a Kofee Kingston fan.
<v Speaker 1>As WWE champion, I've made that very clear that I
<v Speaker 1>am not, and I still stand by that. But the
<v Speaker 1>fact is if I was a Kofee fan and loved
<v Speaker 1>him as champion, and I didn't, but if I did,
<v Speaker 1>I would be super pissed that WWE doesn't have the
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the credibility or the I don't know what
<v Speaker 1>word I'm searching for, but they don't have. They didn't
<v Speaker 1>allow Kofi Kingston to acknowledge the fans and say thank
<v Speaker 1>you for your support. You know, this was a journey
<v Speaker 1>that I went on and hopefully I'll be back some.
<v Speaker 4>Day, and things just for this run just all the time,
<v Speaker 4>like literally almost to the almost a year. We're a
<v Speaker 4>few months shy of I think it was in January
<v Speaker 4>that this whole thing started. But man, just the decency
<v Speaker 4>to just have a decent payoff for him.
<v Speaker 3>Just it's just so sad. It's just it's just like
<v Speaker 3>no one deserves that.
<v Speaker 1>No, It's it's the same thing too when you have
<v Speaker 1>guys who get beat to holy hell on a pay
<v Speaker 1>per view and then they're coming out the next night
<v Speaker 1>or the next on Tuesday when SmackDown was on Tuesday,
<v Speaker 1>and just walking out there, you know, like when Kofee
<v Speaker 1>Kingston would come out and throw pancakes and smiling and
<v Speaker 1>laughing like nothing happened. It's like, well, then, why am
<v Speaker 1>I supposed to take anything seriously that happens if you don't.
<v Speaker 1>And with WWE, although they've been better about injuries when
<v Speaker 1>they happen, where like ray Masterio who's still in a
<v Speaker 1>sling from Brock, I love that, like that that to me,
<v Speaker 1>like that, just little touches like that, so simple. And
<v Speaker 1>having Kane Velaskaz out there again, I don't I don't
<v Speaker 1>have a strong feeling that Kavelaskaz from a UFC perspective,
<v Speaker 1>I know, and again I followed UFC very very lightly
<v Speaker 1>over the years, and I know that he was the
<v Speaker 1>one that defeated Brock Lesner and we all saw the
<v Speaker 1>replays in WWE showed the you know, the graphic footage
<v Speaker 1>of him with his nose cave then all that kind
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, and his eye that has a scar all that.
<v Speaker 1>So I think that was effective. But we all know
<v Speaker 1>that's not what we're gonna get when we put Kane
<v Speaker 1>Velaskez and Brock Lesner in an actual match together. I
<v Speaker 1>mean in the WWE ring, it's not going to be
<v Speaker 1>punches that land that split your face open. And furthermore,
<v Speaker 1>and this is something Vince actually said apparently backstages that hey,
<v Speaker 1>like the way Kane Velasquez looks isn't exactly intimidating. I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 1>Like he is a world class athlete, he could whoop
<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of the population's ass. Like he is a
<v Speaker 1>legitimate guy, has real credentials. But the fact is that
<v Speaker 1>when you're in WWE and like aesthetics matter. When he
<v Speaker 1>took off his shirt when he first debuted and went
<v Speaker 1>after Brock, if you didn't know who he was and
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have any background, you would have just gone, huh,
<v Speaker 1>this guy is taken down Brock.
<v Speaker 3>At first I thought it was dominic.
<v Speaker 4>When they had shot, I was like, wow, I didn't
<v Speaker 4>realize Dominic was that stocky, like just that thick, and
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh crap, that's not Dominic. I was like,
<v Speaker 4>who is that And like it took me a few seconds.
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh wow, okay, but yeah, I.
<v Speaker 3>Had I had no idea at first.
<v Speaker 1>No, they did him no favorites like keep the shirt on,
<v Speaker 1>bro and exactly keep the shirt on please. I mean, like, yes,
<v Speaker 1>I am not about Vince McMahon's you know, like you know,
<v Speaker 1>fantasy of everyone being six five, two eighty and jacked.
<v Speaker 1>I don't need that. But at the same time, like
<v Speaker 1>he looked like a guy that came from the audience
<v Speaker 1>and just took his took his shirt off, and he
<v Speaker 1>was like, come on, we're gonna fight. Like he looked
<v Speaker 1>very pedestrian, and I don't like that. He's got a
<v Speaker 1>great look, he's got a great good, good eyes, all
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, but when you get below the neck, it's
<v Speaker 1>and I know, all your body shaming. No, this is WWE.
<v Speaker 1>When you have a guy that looks like brock Lessner
<v Speaker 1>and you have a guy that looks like Kane velaskas
<v Speaker 1>you say to yourself, how the hell did Kane Alaska's
<v Speaker 1>ever beat brock Less.
<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's what we're programmed to think.
<v Speaker 4>If you're strictly a WWE fan and you know nothing
<v Speaker 4>of UFC, you are programmed to think a beast and
<v Speaker 4>a bad you know what looks like brock Lesner. And
<v Speaker 4>Kane Alaskas is not a brock Lesner. Yes, kaneve Alaska
<v Speaker 4>has beat the you know what out of rock. But
<v Speaker 4>if you aren't a UFC fan, you don't know that.
<v Speaker 3>So having him come out there, strip.
<v Speaker 4>His shirt off and get the upper hand against Brock
<v Speaker 4>right off the bat without knowing like if you were
<v Speaker 4>at the arena that night, you would have you never
<v Speaker 4>watched UFC, you have no idea what's going on because
<v Speaker 4>and especially without having any commentary, because you it's not
<v Speaker 4>even that you have the benefit of being at home
<v Speaker 4>and hearing oh well then to talk about, oh this
<v Speaker 4>is kampe Alaskas.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, he came out threemas music.
<v Speaker 4>It's not even like they debuted his music and had
<v Speaker 4>his name and big letters on the screen, because then
<v Speaker 4>that would have been like, oh okay, because even if
<v Speaker 4>you've never.
<v Speaker 3>Seen UFC, you may have heard this name out there before.
<v Speaker 3>In correlation with.
<v Speaker 4>Brock especially, so they just needed to reorganize the debut
<v Speaker 4>and just when he did certain things just for my
<v Speaker 4>liking at least.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there could have been a little bit more
<v Speaker 1>of an organization to his debut rather than just having
<v Speaker 1>Ray introduce him. And I like.
<v Speaker 4>Him coming out with Ray, but just like have him
<v Speaker 4>come out with his music, so at least people for
<v Speaker 4>that initial debut. In that initial shock, it's not like, Okay,
<v Speaker 4>why is Ray coming out? Like Ray is going to
<v Speaker 4>be in AUP Brock now, and then you see who's
<v Speaker 4>with Ray, like and if you don't know who he is, you're.
<v Speaker 3>Like, Okay, what's going on?
<v Speaker 4>Like you can't even be excited or mad or whatever
<v Speaker 4>because you don't know what's going on, right.
<v Speaker 1>You have no idea. And yes, WWE at least educated
<v Speaker 1>the audience who may not have any idea who Kane
<v Speaker 1>Blasquez is that he was in UFC with Brock, and like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm interested in this match, but I'm also kind
<v Speaker 1>of scared for this match in terms of quality. But
<v Speaker 1>the good thing for Kane of Alaska is even if
<v Speaker 1>he's limited in the ring, and for everything I'm hearing
<v Speaker 1>is actually pretty good. I mean even you confirm that.
<v Speaker 1>I just think that the brock Lesner style and length
<v Speaker 1>of match definitely benefits Kane Velaskaz here because he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>have to have you know, a fifteen minute classic. It
<v Speaker 1>could be a two to three minute you know, back
<v Speaker 1>and forth kind of a slow paced you know, big
<v Speaker 1>blows and you know, punches that are pulled, all that
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. And I'm sure also the other interesting
<v Speaker 1>piece of this is that these two and brock Lesler
<v Speaker 1>legitimately does not like Kane Alaskaz and legitimately is burned
<v Speaker 1>by the night that he lost to him nine years ago,
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. So you know that it's going to
<v Speaker 1>be tense in there, like legitimately that brock Lesner has
<v Speaker 1>to pull these punches and you know there's gonna be
<v Speaker 1>something in there. It's like, you know, you wonder like
<v Speaker 1>is brock gonna just try to shoot one in there?
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, just because of the actual legitimate fight
<v Speaker 1>and tension that they had for a number of years
<v Speaker 1>and the matches that they had or the fights that
<v Speaker 1>they had in UFC. So I'm interested in this from
<v Speaker 1>this perspective of how does the crowd react to Kane
<v Speaker 1>Velaskaz in Saudi Arabia of all places. I don't even
<v Speaker 1>know if we should value that because that's bizarro world.
<v Speaker 1>As far as you know, everyone's concerned, and I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so Crown Jewel isn't exactly a pay per
<v Speaker 1>view that people are excited about with all the dark
<v Speaker 1>clouds hanging over it from last year. But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in the match. I just I don't know
<v Speaker 1>what the long term plan is here for Kane.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and two more real quick points before we move
<v Speaker 4>on from these two guys. I think it's actually smart
<v Speaker 4>for WWE to have this first match between the two
<v Speaker 4>of them, because I'm not sure if you.
<v Speaker 3>Heard they somewhere.
<v Speaker 4>I read that they announced that he's signed a multi
<v Speaker 4>year deal, but he's guaranteed at least like.
<v Speaker 3>Four fights within like the next like certain amount of months.
<v Speaker 4>So I think it's smart for them to have him
<v Speaker 4>debut against broad and Saudi Arabia because more especially, like
<v Speaker 4>there's a few things that go into like the the
<v Speaker 4>time of it.
<v Speaker 3>It's like at one or two o'clock in the afternoon
<v Speaker 3>on like a.
<v Speaker 4>Thursday, So the majority of the people here I'm going
<v Speaker 4>to be watching it live and the majority probably won't
<v Speaker 4>be watching it at all for various reasons. So it's
<v Speaker 4>kind of like a good match in a good setting
<v Speaker 4>for them to kind of get everything out, all aggression, whatever,
<v Speaker 4>stiff shots, whatever they want to do, and just get
<v Speaker 4>a feel for each other in this type of setting.
<v Speaker 3>So I think that that's kind.
<v Speaker 4>Of smart, and man, kudos to Brock for actually letting
<v Speaker 4>them address the whole UFC stuff, like specifically bring up
<v Speaker 4>photos and just like zoom in on the scar that's
<v Speaker 4>on his face, like they I was wondering if they
<v Speaker 4>were actually gonna say the words like out loud, and
<v Speaker 4>they did, and he took it. He let them just
<v Speaker 4>let him and say everything, So I was I was
<v Speaker 4>surprised and kind of proud of him for doing that
<v Speaker 4>because you know Brock. You hear different stories about Brock,
<v Speaker 4>and they didn't. He didn't have to let them like
<v Speaker 4>go that into it. They could have just addressed that
<v Speaker 4>they have history and just you know, moved on, but
<v Speaker 4>they got very.
<v Speaker 3>Specific and actually let us see the visual. So it
<v Speaker 3>was kind of cool.
<v Speaker 1>It was and it brought a lot of emotion to
<v Speaker 1>the story without even having to know the story I
<v Speaker 1>guess the thinking was and smartly so by WW creative
<v Speaker 1>and management. Is that assume, you know, guys, assume that
<v Speaker 1>none of the audience has seen Kane Alaskaz. They don't
<v Speaker 1>know the history between these two. Let's educate them in
<v Speaker 1>a way that is very effective. It's a little bit graphic,
<v Speaker 1>but it's impactful. And that's exactly what they did. They
<v Speaker 1>told a story about these two have who have had
<v Speaker 1>legitimate fights in the past in UFC, A legitimate scar
<v Speaker 1>left by Cane Belaskaz on brock Lesner's face. I loved
<v Speaker 1>all of that. I mean, that's the way you do
<v Speaker 1>it when you're going to try to on short notice
<v Speaker 1>build a match like this for a well, let's put
<v Speaker 1>it what it is, a B pay per view. This
<v Speaker 1>is not a pay per view of really any real
<v Speaker 1>substance other than it's in Saudi Arabia, and that's pretty
<v Speaker 1>much it. I mean, So they did what they've could.
<v Speaker 1>As you said, I would have probably debuted them a
<v Speaker 1>little better. Give him his own music. I'm sure they will.
<v Speaker 1>But as far as the initial entrance, yeah, they probably
<v Speaker 1>could have done something a little bit better in terms
<v Speaker 1>of that. But yeah, as you said, moving on kind
<v Speaker 1>of really shifting gears here to something that has been
<v Speaker 1>getting out of my skin lately, and it's this whole
<v Speaker 1>Shorty Gable thing, right, like I I mean, it's gotten
<v Speaker 1>to the point where Baron Corbin makes a I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>a joke of some sort of calling him set of
<v Speaker 1>Chad Gable Shorty Gable, and then Mike Hamilton on the
<v Speaker 1>ring announcer or whoever it was, ended up actually calling
<v Speaker 1>him that unannounced or unprovoked, and then he just changes
<v Speaker 1>his name to Shorty Gable as if he has no
<v Speaker 1>respect for his actual birth given name and cowers anytime
<v Speaker 1>anybody says anything to him and puts his head down,
<v Speaker 1>you know, like he lost the softball game. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't have I feel like he needs to
<v Speaker 1>stand up for himself. And he says backstage, I don't
<v Speaker 1>care what you call me. You call me a winner, Like, really,
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to stand up for your birth given name,
<v Speaker 1>you know apparently, I mean, like I believe it is
<v Speaker 1>actually Chad Gable, But I just this guy has no
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have a set when it comes to backstage
<v Speaker 1>or outside of when he's in the ring, and he
<v Speaker 1>puts on amazing matches. I love it, and I've spoken
<v Speaker 1>this guy's praises for weeks and weeks and weeks, but
<v Speaker 1>for him to just be okay with everybody suddenly calling
<v Speaker 1>him Shorty Gable is a I think it's detracting from
<v Speaker 1>his credibility and telling me he doesn't have a set. So,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what do you think about this?
<v Speaker 4>I feel like this was a backstage joke that is
<v Speaker 4>getting blown so far out of proportion, Like I think
<v Speaker 4>this is going to be a joke like this, this
<v Speaker 4>They can't think this is actually.
<v Speaker 3>Like a good idea.
<v Speaker 4>This, This has to be a joke and this can't
<v Speaker 4>be something they're gonna actually do long term.
<v Speaker 3>When I saw them.
<v Speaker 4>Actually change his name on the screen as he was
<v Speaker 4>coming out to Shorty Gable on the I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 4>you've gotta be this guy is an Olympic medalist, Like
<v Speaker 4>are you serious? Like this would be like changing Kurt
<v Speaker 4>Angle to Shorty Angle, Like are you really? Like, out
<v Speaker 4>of all your athletes, out of all of them, and
<v Speaker 4>they are superb athletes, not taking anything away from any
<v Speaker 4>of them, but there's a few elite athletes that they
<v Speaker 4>have on the roster, and he is one of them legit,
<v Speaker 4>so just to see the disrespect and it's just the
<v Speaker 4>first week, fine whatever, haha, second week, all right, let's
<v Speaker 4>move on, and then just to.
<v Speaker 3>See it continue on and on.
<v Speaker 4>It's just like man like it's it's one thing for
<v Speaker 4>Baron corn to Corbyn to mock him and call him
<v Speaker 4>that that's what heals, whether I agree with it or
<v Speaker 4>not doing WB so fine whatever, but for it to
<v Speaker 4>be taken to this point for their announcer to be
<v Speaker 4>calling him Shorty Gable, for his graphic to be Shorty Gable,
<v Speaker 4>it's just like, come on, this guy is a legit
<v Speaker 4>athlete and he's one of the wrestlers that you don't
<v Speaker 4>actually need a character for. You just let him go
<v Speaker 4>out there and beat him, like he who himself is
<v Speaker 4>the character an Olympic medal, is like a tough performer,
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, he's a little shorter, but fine whatever. He
<v Speaker 4>let him go out there and prove why he like
<v Speaker 4>size doesn't matter and like it doesn't even have to
<v Speaker 4>be a thing, like he his size wasn't a thing
<v Speaker 4>when he was in the Olympics, like his height, like
<v Speaker 4>it's it's it shouldn't.
<v Speaker 1>Be a thing.
<v Speaker 3>So It's just absurd.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 3>I feel so bad for him.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, I honestly don't even know what
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand the logic behind this. It never
<v Speaker 1>got any see, people hated it in the way that's
<v Speaker 1>like kind of go away. He like this is a
<v Speaker 1>terrible angle. It sounds a whole lot like Vince McMahon's
<v Speaker 1>brain when it comes to this kind of stuff, who
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure is not pleased with how short Chad Gable is.
<v Speaker 1>He's that's well documented that he doesn't think that those
<v Speaker 1>kinds of guys with that height is are ever going
<v Speaker 1>to have a successful career. I mean, that just sounds
<v Speaker 1>like it's coming from the brain of Vince McMahon. And
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about guys that are successful that or
<v Speaker 1>have been Chad Gable's height or shorter, you talk about
<v Speaker 1>guys like a Mysterio he's shorter than Chad Gable. You
<v Speaker 1>talk about Eddie Guerrero same height as Chad Gable, Chris
<v Speaker 1>benweh what an inch maybe too taller than Chad Gable.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the list goes on of these guys that
<v Speaker 1>are ultra successful that have not even touched the six
<v Speaker 1>foot mark. It's just so short sighted of them, and
<v Speaker 1>I guess not pun intended, but it's just like, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's really low brow. It's not good booking,
<v Speaker 1>it's not effective. It doesn't even get heal heat because
<v Speaker 1>the heat is on the company here, the heat's not
<v Speaker 1>on the wrestlers. I call him short because every single
<v Speaker 1>person that ever came in contact with Chad backstage suddenly
<v Speaker 1>made all these puns about his height and everything. Everybody,
<v Speaker 1>even the announcers, the ring announcer, unprovoked did it, which
<v Speaker 1>was just asinine. I don't know. I mean, this kind
<v Speaker 1>of stuff is very I don't know, very sophomoric, I guess,
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't do anything for Chad, who continues to
<v Speaker 1>just allow people to change his his name at will
<v Speaker 1>and just going, well, just call me whatever you want,
<v Speaker 1>but you know I'm a winner, yay. I mean, it's just.
<v Speaker 4>Like recently against Baron, like like it's not like he's
<v Speaker 4>been on this witting streak, like he's hit and miss.
<v Speaker 4>So it's just I don't, I don't know, like he
<v Speaker 4>deserves so much more. And I'm pretty sure I told
<v Speaker 4>you one of the last times that we spoke, like
<v Speaker 4>when we were speaking about him that he like the
<v Speaker 4>fans want to cheer him. He is so easy when
<v Speaker 4>you were in that arena, he has such an easy
<v Speaker 4>guy to cheer for because the way like that he
<v Speaker 4>just accelerates the match like it's just amazing. Like the
<v Speaker 4>bill throughout in the pace is just it's perfect, and
<v Speaker 4>he just feeds in and just generates that emotion from
<v Speaker 4>the crowd and so like it's just just that's why
<v Speaker 4>for me, it's frustrating to see the stupid storyline.
<v Speaker 3>Just let him be him, man, Just let him go
<v Speaker 3>out there and just win matches.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I really have nothing else said to that.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just just over it. I'm just I'm over kind
<v Speaker 1>of the Gable Corbyn deal. I mean, they put on
<v Speaker 1>good matches and I love seeing Chad Gable the ring.
<v Speaker 1>It's I think he's a special talent when it comes
<v Speaker 1>to that. He's he's so smooth, he makes his opponent
<v Speaker 1>look good, he gets you involved, he he brings you
<v Speaker 1>in emotionally every single time. I've just I love Chad
<v Speaker 1>Gabel's work. But anyway, moving on here, I do have
<v Speaker 1>to ask you, and this might be one of the
<v Speaker 1>last things I ask as far as the things on
<v Speaker 1>my list, but Alistair well Alista Black is one and
<v Speaker 1>then the other thing is about what's it Tyson Fury
<v Speaker 1>and bron Strolman. What do you think about these two things?
<v Speaker 3>Let's start with Alistair Black. I'm so at a loss
<v Speaker 3>for him.
<v Speaker 4>He He's another one of those guys who has so
<v Speaker 4>much promise and he is he was one of those
<v Speaker 4>stars in n XT who didn't need to be in
<v Speaker 4>the title picture, didn't even need to really.
<v Speaker 3>Be in a feud. He can just go out there
<v Speaker 3>and just have a good match. And I'll never forget
<v Speaker 3>the angle.
<v Speaker 4>With him and Velbertine Dream where dream just a week
<v Speaker 4>after week We're just was going out there and begging
<v Speaker 4>him to just say his name and just something as
<v Speaker 4>simple as that, and just seeing how well Alistair Black
<v Speaker 4>is did for that storyline and how well and invested
<v Speaker 4>he is in his character, Like it was just so
<v Speaker 4>cool and it was a dark character, but it wasn't
<v Speaker 4>like one that.
<v Speaker 3>Has like all the like hocus Pocus and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 4>It was just this cool, edgy guy and what they're
<v Speaker 4>doing with him now it was just absurd, Like you're
<v Speaker 4>I they need He's one of those that needs a
<v Speaker 4>Paul him and to just sit down with him, get
<v Speaker 4>a good feel for his character, and just dedicate something
<v Speaker 4>meaningful to him.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just I don't get it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like quickly on alist
<v Speaker 1>for Black, Like I I am a fan of his work.
<v Speaker 1>I think that his entrance is unique him, you know,
<v Speaker 1>kind of rising up from the ground and like you know,
<v Speaker 1>he's in a confident or something like that. That's cool. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>he's got a great cadence to his promos. The way
<v Speaker 1>he speaks is different. Uh, he's bevble, he's intriguing, he
<v Speaker 1>makes you want to watch the screen. That's something that's
<v Speaker 1>hard to teach all of that. But yeah, I feel
<v Speaker 1>like they've kind of start and stopped Alistair Black a
<v Speaker 1>couple of times here, and you know, they haven't done
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot with him other than Csarrow's the one
<v Speaker 1>that knocked on his door a couple of months ago, and.
<v Speaker 3>Those were good matches, Yeah they were.
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I think there's a lot Alistair
<v Speaker 1>Black could do, And I don't know, I feel like
<v Speaker 1>they're not quite ready to pull the trigger on him.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to be totally down on what
<v Speaker 1>they've done with him or will do with him, I
<v Speaker 1>should say, but the history does tell me that they're
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, well, he's there, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And my thing is he that's fine.
<v Speaker 4>If you don't really have anything for him right now,
<v Speaker 4>you shouldn't have brought him up when you did. You
<v Speaker 4>did not need to bring him up with Ricoshet's attack team.
<v Speaker 4>If you went at Ricochet, you could have just brought Ricochet.
<v Speaker 4>They did not need to be a tack team, like
<v Speaker 4>if you didn't have any real idea, because it's obvious
<v Speaker 4>that Ricochet they had some type of more of an
<v Speaker 4>idea for Ricochet than did for a because Ricochet went
<v Speaker 4>into the US title picture and actually had good I'm
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying Alisher didn't have good maages, but rickshe
<v Speaker 4>actually had a story. Alistair never really had a story,
<v Speaker 4>so it was it's clear that they really didn't have
<v Speaker 4>a vision for him going forward. So again it's just
<v Speaker 4>another one of those guys, like you didn't have to
<v Speaker 4>bring them up, especially now with NXCU having their own
<v Speaker 4>show on USA, like he would have been a perfect
<v Speaker 4>fit for them at a time like this.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just have him do what Finn Baler is
<v Speaker 1>doing go back to next.
<v Speaker 3>T exactly exactly rely, So what do you.
<v Speaker 1>Think about Tyson Fury and Bronze Stroman. I mean my
<v Speaker 1>quick thoughts, like, I mean, it's I'm fine with it.
<v Speaker 1>I'm I honestly am more interested, I think in this
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit of a way than I am
<v Speaker 1>in Kane Blaska's brock Leser, because Tyson Fury actually looks
<v Speaker 1>like a legitimate, you know, athlete, a legitimate combat athlete
<v Speaker 1>that could take on Braunz Strowman in a real competitive environment.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is not the competitive environment. This is
<v Speaker 1>WWE and fantasy Land. But I don't know what they're
<v Speaker 1>doing with Broun Stroman these days. He seems to be
<v Speaker 1>the guy that's involved in always these celebrity nonsensical storylines.
<v Speaker 1>He has already just brings fans into his tag team partners,
<v Speaker 1>or he's you know, involved in Saturday Night Live nonsense.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is about bron Stroman that
<v Speaker 1>attracts celebrities to him, or these storylines to him that
<v Speaker 1>are never I don't think in most cases done very well.
<v Speaker 1>If if history is anything to look at here with
<v Speaker 1>WWE anytime a celebrity is brought in and this is
<v Speaker 1>the golden rule for ninety nine percent of cases except
<v Speaker 1>one or two that I can think of, and that
<v Speaker 1>is Kevin Fetterline and maybe, uh, who's the Mark Cuban.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean when the past.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm honestly had to dig that far
<v Speaker 1>when k fed got fewed by Josina and then Mark
<v Speaker 1>Cuban got put through a table. Outside of that, outside
<v Speaker 1>of those two instances, I cannot recall any other celebrity
<v Speaker 1>involvement in WWE that didn't ultimately make the celebrity look
<v Speaker 1>like a million bucks and the wrestler who's you know
<v Speaker 1>there a day in and day out, look like a
<v Speaker 1>complete fool. So I think it may be probably the latter.
<v Speaker 1>Probably WWE is going to bring in Tyson Fury, make
<v Speaker 1>him look legitimate, make Bronze Stroman I don't want to see,
<v Speaker 1>not gonna He's not gonna get squashed, but it's certainly
<v Speaker 1>not gonna be what it probably should be. And that's
<v Speaker 1>Braunze Stroman just putting this guy down. So the golden
<v Speaker 1>rule I think stands here.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I heard somewhere I forget where, or maybe
<v Speaker 4>I read it somewhere that Braunz Stroman is turning into
<v Speaker 4>the next big show, which kind of was interesting to
<v Speaker 4>me because if you think about it, it kind of
<v Speaker 4>makes sense, like the mini.
<v Speaker 3>Turns, the involvement with celebrities.
<v Speaker 4>Just just like of course, like the destruction, like the
<v Speaker 4>obnoxiousness of some things. It's just kind of interesting. But
<v Speaker 4>I'm a fan of braun Strowman. I mean, not a
<v Speaker 4>super big fan, but I respect him. He's a very
<v Speaker 4>like insane athlete for a man of his size, Like it's.
<v Speaker 3>Insane what he can do.
<v Speaker 4>I honestly don't know much about Tyson Fury, so I
<v Speaker 4>can't really make much judgment there.
<v Speaker 3>But he looks like a total bad dude.
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm excited to see what kind of match that
<v Speaker 4>they these guys put on. But then I kind of
<v Speaker 4>as as you were talking, I was kind of thinking
<v Speaker 4>about it. They have two either UFC or former UFC
<v Speaker 4>fighters or just boxers in general on the same card,
<v Speaker 4>So are they both gonna go over?
<v Speaker 3>Are both you guys gonna lose? Is like, is one
<v Speaker 3>gonna lose? And if so?
<v Speaker 4>Who, Like I don't know, does Tyson Fury lose to
<v Speaker 4>braun Strowman? If not, then Bronc is gonna lose the Cane.
<v Speaker 4>It's just I'm curious to see which guy on which
<v Speaker 4>on either side, so that either takes the loss or
<v Speaker 4>both of.
<v Speaker 1>Them do well. I would say if I was going
<v Speaker 1>to guess, I mean, I don't know. I mean, these
<v Speaker 1>are two matches I would not put any money on
<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of ways that can go with this.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, kave Alaska is from everything
<v Speaker 1>I heard you, he's signed for a multi year deal again.
<v Speaker 4>And that's not for the title, right, No, no, thank god, No, okay, that.
<v Speaker 1>Would be no. I would not be speaking to you
<v Speaker 1>so much. No, it is not for the w W Championship.
<v Speaker 1>And that's fine. I'm totally fine.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it should not be.
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't even want to go down that road.
<v Speaker 1>But with Kane velaskaz As signed for multi year deal again,
<v Speaker 1>that may mean well, how many actual matches he's going
<v Speaker 1>to be in, as you said, maybe four or five,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But if that's the case and Tyson
<v Speaker 1>Fury is here for just a one off, I would
<v Speaker 1>tend to believe that Tyson Fury gets the win over
<v Speaker 1>the Big Show or over the big show. Now you
<v Speaker 1>got me thinking big Show win over Bronze Stroman, and
<v Speaker 1>we have Kane Alaskaz lose to Brock Lesner in some
<v Speaker 1>kind of form or fashion. Maybe it's some kind of
<v Speaker 1>cheap win by Brock to finally say he beat Kane
<v Speaker 1>Alaskas if he's playing the heel here and he is clearly,
<v Speaker 1>so I think it's a cheap win over Kanevelaskaz where
<v Speaker 1>Brock escapes and maybe they escalate it from there. But
<v Speaker 1>I think Tyson Fury probably goes over based on the
<v Speaker 1>number of dates that each are.
<v Speaker 3>True true. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, we'll see.
<v Speaker 4>I think Tyson's gonna do very well though, and he's
<v Speaker 4>a great talker, so we'll say.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I love and what I love too. One
<v Speaker 1>of the headlines, and this isn't really talked about one
<v Speaker 1>of the headlines that bron Or Tyson Fury was quoted
<v Speaker 1>as saying that he's not here to be a role
<v Speaker 1>model something along those lines.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that is awesome, Yes, finally someone.
<v Speaker 1>God, thank you like and I'm sure wwe is probably
<v Speaker 1>like he'd never fit in here, as you know, a
<v Speaker 1>regular performer everybody here should want to be a role model.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I love that is like the quote
<v Speaker 1>of the year for me. Like I because you never
<v Speaker 1>hear anyone say that. Everybody, whether even not in just
<v Speaker 1>even professional wrestling. You look at sports, you you look
<v Speaker 1>at I mean entertainment as a whole, as an industry.
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to try to be a role model. What
<v Speaker 1>about the person that just comes out and says, fitt,
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be a role model, Like I
<v Speaker 1>prefer not to be a role model. Like it's just
<v Speaker 1>awesome to me, Like, I love that, anti true anti hero.
<v Speaker 1>I mean he was not in when he said that,
<v Speaker 1>he was not in wrestling, like he was still in boxing.
<v Speaker 1>Like that is awesome. So like, what's up?
<v Speaker 3>So I hope you're sitting down.
<v Speaker 4>So as I as I was asking you if it
<v Speaker 4>was for the title, I was wondering, I was like, Oh,
<v Speaker 4>what date is it on and what time is it?
<v Speaker 4>Why on ww dot com does it say that brock
<v Speaker 4>Lesner will defend his title against former UFC champion Kane velaskaz,
<v Speaker 4>it's for the freaking title. It's on their website, w
<v Speaker 4>W dot com.
<v Speaker 1>On w W dot com, I see Randy Orton.
<v Speaker 4>Type the graphic for him like that doesn't even look
<v Speaker 4>like him, like Kane just throwing that out there.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's for this is no, No, it's
<v Speaker 1>not Why how is this for the championship? What? This
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense? They were again and again this this
<v Speaker 1>just goes back. Not only is this guy new to
<v Speaker 1>the company, not only has he never had a true
<v Speaker 1>a match on WWE television again probably in the performance center. Fine,
<v Speaker 1>he has never had a match in front of a
<v Speaker 1>live audience that's televised in a WWE style match. And furthermore,
<v Speaker 1>this just goes to show you of WWE's constant philosophy
<v Speaker 1>and flawed thinking of just attack the champion and you
<v Speaker 1>get a championship match. That is that is the most flawed,
<v Speaker 1>backwards ass way to think of. How do anybody get
<v Speaker 1>a match for anything? All you gotta do just attack
<v Speaker 1>the champion if you want to match, that's it. So
<v Speaker 1>you have massive cardinal sins going on here for a
<v Speaker 1>guy that has zero WWE credentials walks in off the
<v Speaker 1>street from a UFC octagon, which I agree again mass
<v Speaker 1>credentials there, But you can have somebody come in as
<v Speaker 1>an outsider attack the champion and then instantly get a
<v Speaker 1>WWE Championship match, get rewarded with a w w A
<v Speaker 1>Championship match in his first match on the stage of
<v Speaker 1>a pay per view in Saudi Arabia in front of
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand people. This is this is shit. This is
<v Speaker 1>what this is like. That is it's garbage. So I
<v Speaker 1>will just say that, but maybe i'll tag that for edit.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but though those are my those are
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts. What do you think?
<v Speaker 4>I I think it's best that I just agree with
<v Speaker 4>you here because then you really will have to mark
<v Speaker 4>for edit.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just I'm just my I was just checking.
<v Speaker 4>So I had this fancy little watch that I got
<v Speaker 4>a few months ago. I was just checking my heart
<v Speaker 4>rate to see if they went up from the last
<v Speaker 4>time I checked it, and it did.
<v Speaker 3>I'm i and so.
<v Speaker 4>Not speech like speechless in a proper way. In I'm speechless,
<v Speaker 4>and I think I'm so mad right now because something
<v Speaker 4>is just screaming at me. That can is gonna win
<v Speaker 4>the freaking title, because why not. The Saundi Rapi is
<v Speaker 4>gonna want this huge, big moment and they can create
<v Speaker 4>a storyline going on after that brock Lesler can't be Kane,
<v Speaker 4>and then he could regain the titles somewhere in America
<v Speaker 4>or wherever back on this side of the world.
<v Speaker 1>But I see no scenario in this human world. Zero.
<v Speaker 1>There's zero reasons, zero storyline you could sell me that
<v Speaker 1>would convince me to have Kane Velasquez win the WWE Championship,
<v Speaker 1>a championship that is the most prestigious in the entire company.
<v Speaker 3>It's the WWE title.
<v Speaker 4>It's not even the Universal title, it's the WWE title.
<v Speaker 1>Guys that's scratching claw to be there, that should get
<v Speaker 1>a championship opportunity. Guys even like it. I didn't like
<v Speaker 1>him as champion, but guys like Kofi Kingston there for
<v Speaker 1>eleven years don't get a championship match. Finally, climb them
<v Speaker 1>out and get it. Guys that are going through performance Center,
<v Speaker 1>to get them on Live TV, to get them to NXT,
<v Speaker 1>to get them up to the main roster, to get
<v Speaker 1>them noticed on the main roster, to get them in
<v Speaker 1>mid card to uppercard, to get that championship match. That
<v Speaker 1>path is now superseded by Kane Velaskaz, who gets on
<v Speaker 1>the pay per view card into a pay per view
<v Speaker 1>of major pay per view event in Saudi Arabia, and
<v Speaker 1>in this championship match for the most prestigious belt WWE
<v Speaker 1>has to offer and then make us believe that he
<v Speaker 1>could potentially win is just asinine. You cannot have the
<v Speaker 1>kanineve Alaska's win under any circumstance. He could win the match,
<v Speaker 1>maybe by disqualification, but he cannot win the championship under
<v Speaker 1>any scenario. Because that number one, I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>lose my voice, b I do not need the championship
<v Speaker 1>being devalued by a guy that has zero, zero credentials
<v Speaker 1>in WWE itself. Zero anything he has shown me nothing.
<v Speaker 1>I have zero respect for him as a ww performer,
<v Speaker 1>as a man and as an athlete, yes, but as
<v Speaker 1>a performer zero. And then you talk about having the
<v Speaker 1>fans resentment, you would have the fans explode, I think
<v Speaker 1>in a negative way against Kane Alaskaz if if they
<v Speaker 1>have him win that belt here, so again, I would say,
<v Speaker 1>there's zero chance, next to zero chance, maybe a one
<v Speaker 1>percent chance of Caine winning here. But my god, if
<v Speaker 1>they do.
<v Speaker 4>Oh if they thought the backlash from Helen his cell
<v Speaker 4>was bad. If Kane wins, just wait for them to
<v Speaker 4>get back over to this side of the world and
<v Speaker 4>people who actually care about we and the storylines and
<v Speaker 4>what goes on and not just hand pick people from
<v Speaker 4>a pool or.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, like just just wait, like it's just.
<v Speaker 4>And like you just thinking back, like of all the
<v Speaker 4>legends and the Hall of famers who were never w champion,
<v Speaker 4>people like Roddy Piper, We're never w W champion.
<v Speaker 3>If this guy becomes champion. Oh, I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I think I may need to take a break. I
<v Speaker 4>think I may need to just I can't. I don't know,
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>You're killing it.
<v Speaker 1>What makes it the worst? I mean, the thought of
<v Speaker 1>him winning the w W Championship is is just awful.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like I don't even want to go there,
<v Speaker 1>hoping that I won't have to. But it's enraging that
<v Speaker 1>he even gets a w W a championship match like
<v Speaker 1>that is what makes it the most. That is so
<v Speaker 1>enraging to me, And it's it's flat out disrespectful to
<v Speaker 1>the championship. It's flat out disrespectful. I mean, like, think
<v Speaker 1>about the guys that have held that belt and what
<v Speaker 1>it meant to them to carry the company after being
<v Speaker 1>there and being the good soldier and coming on the
<v Speaker 1>scene and maybe getting yourself over after years of blood,
<v Speaker 1>sweat and tears, that old thing. But to have a
<v Speaker 1>guy walk in and just be granted a championship match
<v Speaker 1>on his first first televised match in WWE for the
<v Speaker 1>top belt that they have, that's called a perfect way
<v Speaker 1>to cause or create resentment among fans if you're trying
<v Speaker 1>to get him over as a baby face. And and
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing more to say.
<v Speaker 4>And one last thing, if we're sitting here again, if
<v Speaker 4>we are buying into and supposed to be emotionally invested
<v Speaker 4>into storylines and championship matches and who should be contenders
<v Speaker 4>for the title, if let's just go back to the
<v Speaker 4>last storyline.
<v Speaker 3>Let's just go back to the former champion, Kothy Kingston.
<v Speaker 4>The amount of Gauntlet matches and matches and the in
<v Speaker 4>and of itself that he had to go through just
<v Speaker 4>to get an opportunity to become the champion is insane.
<v Speaker 3>Like he I can't even remember how many matches he
<v Speaker 3>had to back to back that he had.
<v Speaker 4>To go through to even get the opportunity to get
<v Speaker 4>a title shot. And for this kind of just come
<v Speaker 4>in out of nowhere. It's it's absurd, it's it's bs, it's.
<v Speaker 3>We need to move on.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, if you if you do the
<v Speaker 1>logic backwards and you have a WWE person going to
<v Speaker 1>to another sport, or if you have somebody from let's
<v Speaker 1>say the NFL that wants to go to the MLB,
<v Speaker 1>you don't meet like what's his name, Tebo Tim Tebow
<v Speaker 1>who went from the NFL to the minor leagues of
<v Speaker 1>the work, which is where he should be even though
<v Speaker 1>he was a star in the NFL. He doesn't mean
<v Speaker 1>he instantly gets to just jump to the top and oh,
<v Speaker 1>guess what, You're on the starting roster today for the
<v Speaker 1>major league. That's not how life works. So this is
<v Speaker 1>just ridiculous. I was fine with just like a street
<v Speaker 1>fight or just a non title match, but this.
<v Speaker 3>Is just this is this.
<v Speaker 1>Is this is nonsensical crap. I mean, so all right, well, actually,
<v Speaker 1>do you have anything else? And maybe hopefully no more
<v Speaker 1>breaking news stories? My heart can't him.
<v Speaker 3>I know, no, I'm not going back on my phone
<v Speaker 3>for the rest of the night. I'm done.
<v Speaker 1>Please don't please don't.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I'm done. I think I think we should
<v Speaker 3>be done.
<v Speaker 1>Please please I need I'm gonna have like a met
<v Speaker 1>tation sessions set up and candles or something. But before you,
<v Speaker 1>before you go, of course, let everyone know you have
<v Speaker 1>another podcast that you do and where they can find
<v Speaker 1>that and your Twitter.
<v Speaker 3>Oh I do. My other show is called Wressell Rewind.
<v Speaker 3>We are live every.
<v Speaker 4>Thursday at eight thirty streaming on Facebook for a video feed.
<v Speaker 4>We are released immediately following that feed about an hour
<v Speaker 4>and a half afterwards, maybe on any podcasting networks apps
<v Speaker 4>that you have, the Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all that good stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so just check out Russell Rewind if you like,
<v Speaker 3>and feel free to follow me on Twitter. I'm at
<v Speaker 3>a S H M A N N S.
<v Speaker 1>All right, very good, And Ashley, thanks for coming on
<v Speaker 1>and elevating my heart rate. And I'm sorry because if
<v Speaker 1>you didn't do it and I didn't have an outlet
<v Speaker 1>for it, I probably would have just I'm glad.
<v Speaker 3>You went through this together though, Yeah, thank you.
<v Speaker 1>It was a shared experience and and I again I
<v Speaker 1>probably would have not taken that out in a healthy way,
<v Speaker 1>so I have someone to bounce it.
<v Speaker 3>Off of, so exactly.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much Ashley for coming on, and as always,
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk soon. Three weeks agoes by quick.
<v Speaker 3>It does, Thank you so much, all right, bye guy,