Alanis Morissette "Jagged Little Pill" (1995): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hey, d Yeah, Jason, what eighties Canadian television show did
<v Speaker 1>a Lance More set and get her start in?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Let me guess you can't do that
<v Speaker 2>on television. That's right, don't worry. That'll come out with
<v Speaker 2>a little water. It's a great idea. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>You don't have any notes? Do I stress you out?
<v Speaker 1>Your sweater's on backwards and inside out.
<v Speaker 2>Almost. I thought I'd do it to complete the joke,
<v Speaker 2>but that would have been weird, have to change clothes
<v Speaker 2>in front of all of our guests. Welcome back, everybody
<v Speaker 2>to the surely can't be serious podcast.
<v Speaker 1>Wait before you get into this, because I don't want
<v Speaker 1>you to give away what we're talking about. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>if somebody clicked on it, they already know.
<v Speaker 2>But you can see the background in the screen.
<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, Well I got a tribute question for
<v Speaker 1>you regardless.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right? Is it a lota is more set?
<v Speaker 2>The answer is yes, it is. Okay, pulled the window
<v Speaker 2>with the envelope up here? Is it perfect? You ought
<v Speaker 2>to know?
<v Speaker 1>Just hang on a second, all right, give me the
<v Speaker 1>top we'll say, top six selling albums of the nineteen nineties.
<v Speaker 1>Top six Okay, Nirvana nevermind, No, that's not no, not
<v Speaker 1>on there real Jim Tin No, uh use your illusion
<v Speaker 1>one to two.
<v Speaker 2>No Metallica black album, Yes, number six. Oh hey, hey, HeLa,
<v Speaker 2>Well we've actually covered that one. We have. Well, we
<v Speaker 2>covered all of those. That's true. That's true, we have,
<v Speaker 2>but none of those. Sound Garden no, uh no, Red
<v Speaker 2>Hot Chilli Peppers No. Okay, mom Rock what mom rock?
<v Speaker 2>Mom Rock is the answer to the question. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, so you're telling me I've just got
<v Speaker 2>number six. So the top five albums are all mom Rock. Yeah. Madonna.
<v Speaker 1>Madonna's number ten with the Immaculate Collection. I think that
<v Speaker 1>was her greatest hits.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, mom uh Celein Dion.
<v Speaker 1>Celine Dion has the number four and number five slot,
<v Speaker 1>both both Okay. She was raking in the nineteen nineties.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go on a limb and say, Alanis Moore said,
<v Speaker 2>Jag a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Jag a little pill is number three. Thirty three million
<v Speaker 1>copies sold. Okay, Okay, by the way, while you're tossing
<v Speaker 1>this around in your head, yeah, the top ten, yes
<v Speaker 1>for the nineties. Yeah, all over thirty million copies sold.
<v Speaker 1>We'll never see that again.
<v Speaker 2>Just just so we're clear on what we're saying this
<v Speaker 2>More Set Jag Little Pill was the number three best
<v Speaker 2>selling album of the nineties.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's correct.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, So I remember how annoying ironic was at
<v Speaker 2>some point. I guess I love the song now, but
<v Speaker 2>you heard it so much. So I'm trying to think
<v Speaker 2>Ace of Basse is to tell me it's not a
<v Speaker 2>uh and yes, oh yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Number one The Bodyguard is number one, the most forty
<v Speaker 1>five million copies.
<v Speaker 2>So crazy. And so number two is it more? Mom
<v Speaker 2>Rock is number two of Momrock? Definitely mom Rock? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>is it what is it? No doubt or jewel? It
<v Speaker 2>can't be. I don't know. Does your mom feel like
<v Speaker 2>a woman? Oh? Shanaia Twain, shut up, Shania Twain. Number two? Wow,
<v Speaker 2>mutt lang, mutt leg Shanaia Twain had the number number two,
<v Speaker 2>not Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks out of the top ten.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that is crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Your top ten rounded out by Michael Jackson Dangerous and
<v Speaker 1>two Backstreet Boys album.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can tell you that of all of the
<v Speaker 2>top five, there's only one that I'm super excited to
<v Speaker 2>talk about today, and that's a lot of more set
<v Speaker 2>Jagged Little Pill, guys, I haven't been this pumped to
<v Speaker 2>talk about an album in a long time. Don't be wrong.
<v Speaker 2>I love all of her albums, but this one is
<v Speaker 2>near and dear to my heart. I saw her in concert.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was I think maybe early ninety seven. Really,
<v Speaker 2>I think it was. Yeah, where was this? It was
<v Speaker 2>down in Dallas. Actually it couldn't have been early because
<v Speaker 2>we were sitting outside on the lawn and it wasn't freezing,
<v Speaker 2>so she's been on her way up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it would have been ninety seven because I was in
<v Speaker 2>Tulsa by then. I was gonna tell this story when
<v Speaker 2>we cover the song, but I'll just say ironic. It
<v Speaker 2>was so overplayed at that point that I was just like, oh, please,
<v Speaker 2>just please don't even play it. And she did the concert.
<v Speaker 2>At the concert, really, I know, I just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I knew that wasn't gonna happen. But here's what happened.
<v Speaker 2>She said, you know, the song starts, and she said
<v Speaker 2>and old and that's all she said, and the entire
<v Speaker 2>whatever five six seven thousand people that were there sang
<v Speaker 2>the entire rest of the song. She did not she
<v Speaker 2>just held her microphone out and everybody else sang it.
<v Speaker 2>She did not sing another word and will I will
<v Speaker 2>tell you. Hairs on my arms in the back of
<v Speaker 2>my neck were standing up for the entire song. And
<v Speaker 2>now because of that moment, that experience, it's one of
<v Speaker 2>my favorites. I love it, man, I love it.
<v Speaker 1>You know this album is so improbable of being in
<v Speaker 1>the top ten. It's a glorified demo album. It's really
<v Speaker 1>similar to the collective soul Shine. Yeah hints allegations and
<v Speaker 1>things said, yeah, it was meant to be a demo.
<v Speaker 1>All they wanted to do was sell enough copies to
<v Speaker 1>get her another album.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. And so I really think we need to
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and dive in just because these songs are
<v Speaker 2>all so good and there's so much to say about
<v Speaker 2>her and each one of the songs. But I will
<v Speaker 2>just tell you as an intro to this song, they
<v Speaker 2>talked to all of the major record labels after they
<v Speaker 2>had this demo tape that you're talking about, and then
<v Speaker 2>they talked to all of the minor record labels and
<v Speaker 2>everyone said no, thank you. Now, she spent twenty sessions
<v Speaker 2>with Glynn Ballard, who's who is her co writer on
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Yeah, twenty sessions, twenty songs. Record company passes
<v Speaker 2>on all of them. She leaves and they give up. Basically,
<v Speaker 2>she leaves, he thinks I'm never gonna see this girl again,
<v Speaker 2>goes home, goes to Canada, spends Christmas, comes back. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>she's super skinny, super pale. She walks in and her
<v Speaker 2>sweaters on backwards and inside out, and everything changed at
<v Speaker 2>that moment. So that takes us into song number one.
<v Speaker 1>Song number one is called all I Really Want.
<v Speaker 3>Do I stress you at my sweater is on back
<v Speaker 3>person inside out.
<v Speaker 2>Can you say ha.
<v Speaker 1>A proprid banger right out of the gate?
<v Speaker 2>Man? Oh, it's so freaking good. So tell the story
<v Speaker 2>that Jim Butler told you about this album.
<v Speaker 1>Jim Butler at the Children of the Eighties podcast just
<v Speaker 1>texted me about five minutes ago and said, you know,
<v Speaker 1>in college, you know when they're handing out free T
<v Speaker 1>shirts for credit card sign ups, you know hu.
<v Speaker 2>He said he was so dumb that he signed.
<v Speaker 1>Up for a credit card, got a free T shirt,
<v Speaker 1>and used the money that he would have purchased on
<v Speaker 1>a shirt or something and went and bought Jagged Little
<v Speaker 1>Pill right.
<v Speaker 2>Off the shelf, So that's a great buye in my opinion.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember how I came across the album. I
<v Speaker 2>can tell you that in nineteen ninety five and ninety six,
<v Speaker 2>had a band together, and we had a girl come
<v Speaker 2>and join us as a singer, and we were I mean,
<v Speaker 2>we basically learned every song on that album. So I
<v Speaker 2>can't remember when it came into my wheelhouse. I obviously,
<v Speaker 2>like everyone else, was totally blown away by the next
<v Speaker 2>song that we're about to cover, But I can't remember.
<v Speaker 2>It was just like you just had to have the album.
<v Speaker 2>You just had to.
<v Speaker 1>You had to be like Deaf Dave levels of like
<v Speaker 1>head under the Rocks to not know all the songs
<v Speaker 1>on this album, right, I mean, you just it was
<v Speaker 1>just part of life.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody knew these songs all up to you, Deaf Dave.
<v Speaker 2>But yes, you did go hide in the Cave. You've
<v Speaker 2>told us as much.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So before we go any further, Okay. This album
<v Speaker 1>was released June thirteenth, nineteen ninety five, sold thirty three
<v Speaker 1>million copies. It won five Grammy Awards was nominated for nine.
<v Speaker 1>Here are the awards that it won. Okay, it won
<v Speaker 1>Album of the Year Best Rock Album, Best Female Rock Performance,
<v Speaker 1>Best Rock Song, and Best Long Form Music Video. Right, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Ballad is the producer of this album. Yeah, I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>you want to tell the story how they met and
<v Speaker 1>how they started writing songs. They wanted to write one
<v Speaker 1>song a day. But he's not nobody, Okay, And I
<v Speaker 1>sent you this list of the songs that he wrote.
<v Speaker 2>This is crazy, right, I know? Okay? Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So he wrote hold On by Wilson Phillips, which is
<v Speaker 1>a big hit from the nineteen nineties.
<v Speaker 2>I mean's not as long as you were talking about
<v Speaker 2>Deaf Day, might as well talk about his favorite band's kids. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>keep going.
<v Speaker 1>He wrote Pink by Aerosmith.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great one. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He wrote Man in the Mirror by Michael Jackson.
<v Speaker 2>Oh your favorite song. I can tell how wrong you
<v Speaker 2>are about that one, but I'm just impressive. Yes. And
<v Speaker 2>he wrote wait for It.
<v Speaker 1>All I Need by Jack Wagner.
<v Speaker 2>It shows up again. Now, is Jack Wagner woven through
<v Speaker 2>every piece of fabric of every story that we seem
<v Speaker 2>to tell. It's incredible, It's nuts. And so he met
<v Speaker 2>her and I think the line is she he like
<v Speaker 2>is reading her music? Right? And the line that he
<v Speaker 2>sees is do you hear the sound of pretenses falling?
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, how do you not want to
<v Speaker 2>write with a girl who writes like this? And she
<v Speaker 2>was nineteen years old? Nineteen?
<v Speaker 1>It's incredible.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't know if you know this or not,
<v Speaker 1>but she was on a Canadian television show that I
<v Speaker 1>loved as a kid.
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, well, boy, the kid's my worst enemy came
<v Speaker 3>in here today the City Health inside.
<v Speaker 4>After that's too bad, barthy.
<v Speaker 1>Did you give him a burger from across the street
<v Speaker 1>to get him off your back?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 3>I did not.
<v Speaker 2>I gave him my barsburger. I get him off my back.
<v Speaker 4>I guess we won't be hearing from him anymore. No, no,
<v Speaker 4>but we'll be tasting him for many weeks to come.
<v Speaker 1>Things in the words, oh, did you watch the show?
<v Speaker 2>I watched it all the time. I don't think I
<v Speaker 2>was still watching it when she was on it. I
<v Speaker 2>watched when Moose and Lisa were on there. I don't
<v Speaker 2>remember her in particular, but that just you know.
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this the other day. So you can't
<v Speaker 1>do that on television.
<v Speaker 2>You can't do that on television, which if you grew
<v Speaker 2>up with Nickelodeon, and you probably saw a double dare
<v Speaker 2>and everything was all about the slime. Right fine, Nickelodeon
<v Speaker 2>made a ton of stuff about slime. It all came
<v Speaker 2>from you can't do that on television. That's true. You
<v Speaker 2>remember how you get slimmed. You answered a question I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know, you say, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>on you can't do that on television. You covered slime.
<v Speaker 2>I did see a clip of her getting slimed.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yeah, remember how you got water on poured
<v Speaker 1>on your head? No, I had to do say water
<v Speaker 1>so all I really want? Sixth and final single. It
<v Speaker 1>got to number fourteen on the US Billboard Modern Rock chart.
<v Speaker 1>There are two songs on this album that made it
<v Speaker 1>to the Billboard Hot one hundred. I love the story
<v Speaker 1>about how Maverick backed her.
<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>They've shopped this album around. They're hopeful that somebody's gonna
<v Speaker 1>take a bite.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody said no.
<v Speaker 1>So Maverick was a record label that was brand new
<v Speaker 1>and owned by Madonna. Well, they had a record guy,
<v Speaker 1>a twenty two year old kid who was like eighteen.
<v Speaker 2>She said they could have gone high school together, like
<v Speaker 2>they were the same age. He was a little eighteen
<v Speaker 2>year old guy when he's Yeah, he said he had
<v Speaker 2>a briefcase that he walked around with and said, whise
<v Speaker 2>guy on it. You didn't even know what that meant,
<v Speaker 2>like wise guy records. Right, No, it's great, and yeah,
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, keep going.
<v Speaker 1>Well his name was Guy oh Siri. Yeah, and we'll
<v Speaker 1>talk about that song here in just a minute. The
<v Speaker 1>one that they presented, in my opinion, is the worst
<v Speaker 1>song on this album.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well you're wrong, but okay, okay, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But that song, which we'll talk about hearing a couple
<v Speaker 1>of songs. Yeah, she played it for him, he said.
<v Speaker 1>Twenty seconds in he's like, I'm in, I'm in.
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>Let's sign this girl. And thirty three million albums later.
<v Speaker 2>He sees the beauty that nobody else saw and he's
<v Speaker 2>I listened to him describe this, and he's like, not
<v Speaker 2>only do you have these lyrics, but then she'll like
<v Speaker 2>what she does with her voice, and she'll grind in
<v Speaker 2>these parts that just it turns it. And I've listened
<v Speaker 2>to her talk about it. She's like, you know, your
<v Speaker 2>voice is like it's like the paint, and I like
<v Speaker 2>splashing the paint around, you know, and you make the
<v Speaker 2>voice serve the words that you've created and that that's
<v Speaker 2>so she does it, and she really does a great job.
<v Speaker 2>She's got so much dexterity with her voice. She's got
<v Speaker 2>these wonderful lyrics. So of course she meets Madonna later,
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is Madonna's label or whatever. And right
<v Speaker 2>before she meets Madonna, like right before she gets to
<v Speaker 2>the meeting, she gets held up at gunpoint. Alanis Morrisett
<v Speaker 2>gets held up at gunpoint. Okay, so like when she's
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's like comes from being held up into
<v Speaker 2>the record label to meet Madonna for the first time.
<v Speaker 2>And so they're telling Madonna and she's like overhearing this
<v Speaker 2>in the hall. They're like, okay, well, you know she's
<v Speaker 2>she might be a little like nervous. You know, she
<v Speaker 2>just got held up at gunpoint. And Madonna's like, ah,
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had been held up. That's such a
<v Speaker 2>great story. Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know that when she was held up, she
<v Speaker 1>was willing to give the guy anything, but she had
<v Speaker 1>some of the demos in her backpack for a jagged
<v Speaker 1>little pill. Oh She's like, I was willing to give
<v Speaker 1>them my purse, my wallet, all of my money. She's like,
<v Speaker 1>but I really really did not want to give them.
<v Speaker 1>Was in my backpack? Right, they take that and we
<v Speaker 1>don't have the album we got today.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy.
<v Speaker 1>All they wanted was her purse basically, and.
<v Speaker 2>That was it. Oh my gosh. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, I don't know if you ever had
<v Speaker 1>to read Great Expectations.
<v Speaker 2>I might have had to read it. I don't think
<v Speaker 2>that I did read it though, right there with you.
<v Speaker 1>But there's a character from Great Expectations mentioned in this song. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Stella Ah, Yes, that's deep level of rock.
<v Speaker 2>If you listen to her speak, her vocabulary is so strong,
<v Speaker 2>so very strong, and she uses it with ease. It's
<v Speaker 2>not like, you know, some people used to use big
<v Speaker 2>words and you're like, oh, you've been waiting to use
<v Speaker 2>that word now. She just she's just throwing them out
<v Speaker 2>there in her daily conversation. She's incredibly intelligent, very.
<v Speaker 1>Very intelligent poet.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Okay, So if def Dave, you've only heard one
<v Speaker 2>song on this whole album, it's going to be this
<v Speaker 2>song right here.
<v Speaker 1>If getting your carkeeed and your tire slashed were a song.
<v Speaker 2>This is it?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wond oh, I'm thanks for you.
<v Speaker 3>I wish nothing but the best for you both.
<v Speaker 4>I'm all the version of me.
<v Speaker 5>She preferted like me would.
<v Speaker 4>She goes down on you.
<v Speaker 5>Money.
<v Speaker 2>She's got one question for you. Are you thinking of
<v Speaker 2>me when you.
<v Speaker 1>Her scratch my nails down someone else's back? I hope
<v Speaker 1>you feel.
<v Speaker 2>This angry angry. You know, there's this image of girls
<v Speaker 2>when they get broken up with that, you know they're
<v Speaker 2>gonna go sit in their pj's and eat ice cream cream.
<v Speaker 2>And she blows that out of the effing water with
<v Speaker 2>this song.
<v Speaker 1>I think she gave voice to a lot of women
<v Speaker 1>at this time.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, what's interesting is we didn't know that this
<v Speaker 2>was about any particular guy, right right, and then we
<v Speaker 2>find out, I don't know, maybe less than ten years ago,
<v Speaker 2>that that the idea is that it's uncle Joey, right.
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, it's uncle Joey. It's Dave Coolier.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Dave Coolier says it's him. Yea, she has
<v Speaker 2>not confirmed that, and well, she affirm anything, right, and
<v Speaker 2>but she's also said but like and her friends have
<v Speaker 2>said she dated a whole lot of guys at this time.
<v Speaker 2>He was not the only guy that she dated. He
<v Speaker 2>just happened to be a famous guy that she dated.
<v Speaker 2>He thinks it's him, right, I know, and maybe he
<v Speaker 2>gets and maybe he gets a little more street cred
<v Speaker 2>if it is him or whatever. But but like, and
<v Speaker 2>I've heard him say that. You know. I called her
<v Speaker 2>up and was like, hey, are we okay? You know
<v Speaker 2>you are right?
<v Speaker 1>I did my Papaye imitation and we were fine.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Uh.
<v Speaker 1>Bob's Saggot talks about Bob's Bob Saggott said he was
<v Speaker 1>at dinner with Dave Kolier when she called, and he
<v Speaker 1>was trying to dumper well because hey, I'm at dinner.
<v Speaker 1>Hey I can I cut you?
<v Speaker 2>She was bugging him in the middle of dinner. Well,
<v Speaker 2>I dinner. So yeah, so here's the here's the story. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Dave Coolier was thirty two, thirty three, she's seventeen.
<v Speaker 1>That ain't okay, right, he's playing at a celebrity hockey
<v Speaker 1>event and she's singing the national anthem.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>That's how they begin to hang out and date.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and more than date in a theater.
<v Speaker 1>You've seen that meme where it's like, do not sit
<v Speaker 1>behind these two if you go all right? So this
<v Speaker 1>song won the Grammy for Best Rock Song, Best Female
<v Speaker 1>Rock Vocal and of course it's a major part of
<v Speaker 1>why it won Album of the Year. This was the
<v Speaker 1>reason I bought the album. When I heard this song,
<v Speaker 1>I was like, this song freaking rocks, She's a badass,
<v Speaker 1>she's cool.
<v Speaker 2>I gotta have this.
<v Speaker 1>But this lost Song of the Year to a song
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about. Okay, any ideas this is ninety five.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was ninety six, the ninety six Grammies, whatever, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>but it was a song from ninety five.
<v Speaker 1>Ye, And I said, I think I said the time
<v Speaker 1>that it mesmerized me, the song.
<v Speaker 2>The song mesmerized. Yeah, And is this a this a
<v Speaker 2>guy song? Or is this another mom rock song.
<v Speaker 1>Sung by a guy?
<v Speaker 2>But most of the it's more for the women, is
<v Speaker 2>it seal? Yep? Good job, it's from a Rose Rose.
<v Speaker 2>I just had to think. I did the Jason Colvin
<v Speaker 2>method of what was I doing at this time?
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there you goes right, Okay, go check out
<v Speaker 1>our what the heck happened?
<v Speaker 2>Batman and Robin So yeah, one good thing out of that. Right.
<v Speaker 1>So, so, Dave Coolier is driving in his car in
<v Speaker 1>LA one day and he's like, hey, here's a song
<v Speaker 1>by a last one I know I used to date
<v Speaker 1>this girl.
<v Speaker 2>And he's listened to it. He's like, oh oh, oh no. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He calls his BUDDI He's like, I think I really
<v Speaker 1>hurt this girl. Yeah, And then his buddy said, well,
<v Speaker 1>no crap, you were thirty two and she was seventeen.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 1>This song rocks. I love it is the best song
<v Speaker 1>on the album. It's the reason why about the album.
<v Speaker 2>I can't disagree with you. Honestly. I may have other
<v Speaker 2>songs that I'd like to listen to more from time
<v Speaker 2>to time, but this one is the steady, hands down winner. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>VH one ranked this song as the number twelfth best
<v Speaker 1>song of the nineties.
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay, so you have a couple of freaking all
<v Speaker 2>stars on this song. You've got Flea from Red Hot
<v Speaker 2>Chili Peppers yeh, and Dave Navarro from Jane's Addiction and
<v Speaker 2>Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah. That's right, which is interesting
<v Speaker 2>because number one, obviously you've got this video. You remember
<v Speaker 2>the video. She's out in the desert in the Suitcase
<v Speaker 2>Valley and then there's this part where she's playing with
<v Speaker 2>the band and it's all very fuzzy. So I think
<v Speaker 2>I think that this was her touring band that she
<v Speaker 2>was playing with in this video. Right, I'm not one
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent sure, but that's different than the guys who
<v Speaker 2>actually played on it, Okay. And so just I'm just
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell you real quick, the guys that she had
<v Speaker 2>in her band. Number One, you had Jesse Tobias playing
<v Speaker 2>guitar and singing background vocals, and you had Nick Lashy,
<v Speaker 2>guy from London. And like, the album is already huge
<v Speaker 2>at the point that they're auditioning people to be the
<v Speaker 2>band for them to go on tour, sure to support
<v Speaker 2>the album, right, And so they're going through this audition process.
<v Speaker 2>Everybody gets sent the three songs you gotta know, and
<v Speaker 2>Taylor Hawkins listens to you O don't know, and he's like, well,
<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be huge. Yeah, And so he said,
<v Speaker 2>this is the fourth member of the band, Chris Cheney,
<v Speaker 2>the bass player. He's like, I was already in the
<v Speaker 2>band at this point, right, Chris was a mistake. Like
<v Speaker 2>he comes back, like they call him back in She
<v Speaker 2>called Alanis calls him back in right, and when he
<v Speaker 2>gets there, she looks over at Taylor and she's like,
<v Speaker 2>I called the wrong guy. I called the wrong guy.
<v Speaker 2>And Chris Cheney was a jazz bassist, like, he hadn't
<v Speaker 2>been in this Yattle scene. He didn't know these songs,
<v Speaker 2>and so they had called him back. So it was
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, well, I guess he's good enough. And
<v Speaker 2>so Taylor Hawkins says, hey, man, here's Soundgarden, here's Nirvana,
<v Speaker 2>here's Pearl Jam, and here's Jane's addiction. This is what
<v Speaker 2>you know. Go learn this stuff so that you can
<v Speaker 2>be aware of what's been going on for the last
<v Speaker 2>five years. Wow. Then ironically, once they're done with their tour,
<v Speaker 2>Chris Cheney becomes the bass player for Jane's addiction. Really yes,
<v Speaker 2>that's really good. Yeah, So sorry, I interrupted myself. How
<v Speaker 2>did Dave Navarro and Flee become a part of this
<v Speaker 2>song for this young girl who's got? So here's the deal.
<v Speaker 1>So Maverick had a relationship with a producer named Jimmy Boyle. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Boyle had worked with the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ah,
<v Speaker 1>and so he's like, God, then you know what this
<v Speaker 1>this song. We need to rock this thing up.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 1>And at the time, you know, I heard her talk
<v Speaker 1>about the writing process one song to day she said this,
<v Speaker 1>the paper hadn't even dried on the ink, like she's
<v Speaker 1>just writing stuff down she's trying to make into a song.
<v Speaker 1>Next day she gets up, she listens to it, she
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even remember it. She gets in, she records the vocals.
<v Speaker 1>They send the vocal track with you know, some playing
<v Speaker 1>the guitar, just stuff. So they send it to Dave
<v Speaker 1>Navarro and Flee. They add the rock element and they
<v Speaker 1>take the vocals. They're like, wow, the vocals were great.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's all this emotion and angered, bitterness, frustration,
<v Speaker 1>and they added to the rock and that's how you
<v Speaker 1>get a massive hit. I just want to drop one
<v Speaker 1>more thing. This was one of the only two songs
<v Speaker 1>that charted on the Hot One. It hit number six
<v Speaker 1>on the Hot One.
<v Speaker 2>Only two songs on this album hit the Hot Yes,
<v Speaker 2>only two. Yes, that's crazy. Here's the thing.
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a distinction because you have you ought
<v Speaker 1>to know and you learn as a back back to back, right,
<v Speaker 1>that combination hits number six in nineteen ninety six early
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, Okay, and then there's one other.
<v Speaker 2>One, right, and I think everybody's gonna know what that is, right,
<v Speaker 2>we'll get to it. Yeah, all right.
<v Speaker 1>Next song of the album's song number three songs called
<v Speaker 1>Perfect Song Time.
<v Speaker 4>It's never quite in love.
<v Speaker 5>If you're fones.
<v Speaker 4>Then you.
<v Speaker 2>So this is the song that they play for Guyo Siri,
<v Speaker 2>the guy the Young from Maverick Records that that turns
<v Speaker 2>him on in the first twenty seconds, right, yes, and
<v Speaker 2>then thirty seconds in he's discovering even more that He's like,
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be amazing. And so here's the
<v Speaker 2>story with that meeting that they had with him. So
<v Speaker 2>they get a call. They've been trying to get all
<v Speaker 2>these record labels whatever, and and somebody's like, you need
<v Speaker 2>to go talk to this guy, right, And so they
<v Speaker 2>try to get a meeting with him. Nothing happens, and
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden they get a call and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, hey, he's ready, come meet with him, and
<v Speaker 2>Alanis it's like, well, we're in the middle of writing
<v Speaker 2>songs right now, so now we're good. And they're like, no,
<v Speaker 2>go meet him right now, and so they literally she
<v Speaker 2>and Glenn walk into his office. She's wearing workout clothes.
<v Speaker 2>She's like, she's not made up, not that she ever
<v Speaker 2>really was that made up, but she's just as basic
<v Speaker 2>as you can get as you walk in, and he's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I thought this was a band, you know whatever. And
<v Speaker 2>so once they put the tape in and start this
<v Speaker 2>song playing, he realizes that there's magic about to happen.
<v Speaker 1>So he's twenty seconds in, here's this song. This is
<v Speaker 1>the one that they bring to him. And I tell you,
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the worst song on the album.
<v Speaker 2>To totally wrong. Now, this is so great because this
<v Speaker 2>is like I haven't had to struggle with this as
<v Speaker 2>much as a bunch of people have. But but I
<v Speaker 2>have so many friends and and usually it is the
<v Speaker 2>females that suffer from this, of this idea of you've
<v Speaker 2>got to be perfect all the time, right, you gotta
<v Speaker 2>hide what's imperfect, you gotta fix what you can, never
<v Speaker 2>let them see those imperfections, and and you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>just this constant struggle of always having to be on
<v Speaker 2>all of the time. And this is just this wonderful,
<v Speaker 2>wonderful outpouring of your heart about this is hard, Like
<v Speaker 2>I don't it's not fair that I have to be
<v Speaker 2>like this.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you love it. Yeah, I think it's
<v Speaker 1>like an eight out of ten because I just love
<v Speaker 1>every other track on this album so much. Under stand
<v Speaker 1>that I think it's a masterpiece. This album is an
<v Speaker 1>incredible nineties masterpiece.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It front, head over feet, sorry, right through it,
<v Speaker 2>head into beginning to end. That's this. This album is fantastic. Yes.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, this song, they were working on another
<v Speaker 1>song and I haven't struggled a little bit with it,
<v Speaker 1>and so they stopped mid work on that song, paused
<v Speaker 1>out pops this song twenty minutes and they've got one.
<v Speaker 2>For the album.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so all right, another big hitter.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you ready, Yes, we'll do number four. The song
<v Speaker 2>is called Hand in my Pocket.
<v Speaker 4>I'm broke but I'm happy.
<v Speaker 3>I'm poor but i'm kind, I'm sure but I'm healthy.
<v Speaker 1>It's a banger. Oh my gosh, I love it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the brilliance of these lyrics of the I'm
<v Speaker 2>both things right, I'm drunk but i'ms ober, young but
<v Speaker 2>i'm underpaid, I'm short but i'm healthy, right. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, it's not just that you are two
<v Speaker 2>things and you got to or you got to pick
<v Speaker 2>between two things. It's that you're just kind of are
<v Speaker 2>okay with being both turns.
<v Speaker 5>Down to skin out.
<v Speaker 2>And you've got one hand in your pocket and the
<v Speaker 2>other one's given a piece sign, smoking a cigarette, flicking
<v Speaker 2>a cigarette flicking. That's right, clicking. I actually here are
<v Speaker 2>the five things that her hand does.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So one hand in her pocket, given a high five,
<v Speaker 1>flicking a cigarette, given a piece sign, playing the piano
<v Speaker 1>in Helena Texas.
<v Speaker 3>Ye.
<v Speaker 1>But you gotta have the inflection in there, you do.
<v Speaker 2>That's the way, the wonderful way that she uses her voice.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and she does have a lot of in her voice.
<v Speaker 2>You know. I really feel like that. It's this and
<v Speaker 2>you ought to know are kind of the one two
<v Speaker 2>punch that brought her worldwide fame in a matter of
<v Speaker 2>really weak.
<v Speaker 1>This was the second single, Yeah, released October of ninety five. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>and She's already By the way, this was supposed to
<v Speaker 1>be the theme song for Dawson's Creek. She pulled it
<v Speaker 1>literally at the last second. She was like, Nope, can't
<v Speaker 1>have it, okay, And that's when they used I don't
<v Speaker 1>want to Wait by Paula Cole, which is very synonymous
<v Speaker 1>with that show. And in twenty seventeen movie Lady Bird,
<v Speaker 1>the lead character says to her dad, did you know
<v Speaker 1>that Alanis Morset wrote this song in ten minutes? And
<v Speaker 1>Alanis actually came out and said, no, she's wrong, talk
<v Speaker 1>about fifteen.
<v Speaker 2>That's great.
<v Speaker 1>I love this song, man, I love it. It's a
<v Speaker 1>nineties iconic song.
<v Speaker 2>It's so great because you know, I've watched a lot
<v Speaker 2>of footage of her in concert right now since we've
<v Speaker 2>been doing this, of course, and having been at the concert,
<v Speaker 2>remembering what all of that was like. But that flicking
<v Speaker 2>a cigarette line, like the crowd just kind of roars
<v Speaker 2>at that point. You know, everybody is singing every word
<v Speaker 2>to every song, but on the flicking a cigarette, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know something about the nineties and the kind of
<v Speaker 2>dangerousness of a girl talking about cigarettes, everybody just kind
<v Speaker 2>of the vibe goes up. You know, I love it
<v Speaker 2>all right.
<v Speaker 1>Next song on the album Let's Do It, another very
<v Speaker 1>well known song. This song is called right Through You mis.
<v Speaker 4>Pronounced mo name.
<v Speaker 2>Big memory for me is we covered this song and
<v Speaker 2>I loved playing this song. When you hit that chorus
<v Speaker 2>and you start jamming out. Oh my gosh, it's so good.
<v Speaker 2>And of course the Windeyne sixty nine to me but
<v Speaker 2>didn't hear a damn word I said, is one of
<v Speaker 2>the best lines in all of rock and roll music.
<v Speaker 1>I love it, man. I think this is the sequel
<v Speaker 1>to you out of know, oh.
<v Speaker 2>For sure, maybe even the prequel. Actually, I would say
<v Speaker 2>it's a prequel. Okay. So you know you mentioned earlier
<v Speaker 2>that she had a recording contract in Canada, right, yes,
<v Speaker 2>with MCA in Canada, and had a gold record, which
<v Speaker 2>in Canada that meant you sold fifty thousand, so not
<v Speaker 2>super impressive for us on this side of the border.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but you know, hey, not nothing, right, nothing.
<v Speaker 2>She had been on you can't do that on television,
<v Speaker 2>she had started singing and writing her own songs, and
<v Speaker 2>she was a pop star in Canada, right And I
<v Speaker 2>mean she's pretty and loves to dance and has the
<v Speaker 2>right moves and can write the good songs. And I
<v Speaker 2>mean I think you said it Debbie Gibson of Canada, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So you sent me her two videos that I
<v Speaker 1>watched today. One of them was called too Hot. One
<v Speaker 1>of them was called walk Away. Yeah, and it's very
<v Speaker 1>like Kathy Dennis. Is the name that came to my brain.
<v Speaker 1>It's dance pop. It's yeah, it's Tiffany, It's Tiffany, It's
<v Speaker 1>Debbie Gibson.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, yeah. I mean she's dancing around in a
<v Speaker 2>jeans jacket and a crop top and hanging out with
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of cute guys. You know. It's all that
<v Speaker 2>stuff from the mall pop stuff that we had back
<v Speaker 2>in the late eighties and early.
<v Speaker 1>Nineties, including Matt LeBlanc of Friends.
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, that Joey. He said, how you doing to her?
<v Speaker 2>Are you doing? And I mean they've got this weird
<v Speaker 2>kind of kiss moment. Right, I'm doing the math on this.
<v Speaker 2>She was born in seventy four. He was born in
<v Speaker 2>sixty seven. He's seven years older than she is. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>they've got a kissing moment in the video. She's fifteen
<v Speaker 2>or sixteen years old at the time this is going on.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, and so this really, I mean, it's terrible,
<v Speaker 2>but this is kind of what happened to her, her
<v Speaker 2>parents not really realizing. I mean, she loves her parents,
<v Speaker 2>both teachers, and they just they saw that she had passion.
<v Speaker 2>Her dad was really loved entertainment and so was encouraging
<v Speaker 2>her and her desire to be a famous TV and
<v Speaker 2>singing star. But she kind of got sent out on
<v Speaker 2>her own and they talked to the one guy who
<v Speaker 2>produced records there in Canada, and he became kind of
<v Speaker 2>her literal uncle Joe. But he was a guy who
<v Speaker 2>was a task masker and not a decent dude, right,
<v Speaker 2>And she would meet all of these people as she's
<v Speaker 2>going through this process, you know, being the little pop
<v Speaker 2>star in Canada that she is making videos, meeting record producers,
<v Speaker 2>all of these things where you know, she said, when
<v Speaker 2>I was twelve, it wasn't you know, they weren't really
<v Speaker 2>saying anything that bad. You'd have a comment or something
<v Speaker 2>thirteen about the same fourteen, the comments got a little heavier.
<v Speaker 2>But at fifteen, all of a sudden, it was like
<v Speaker 2>all bets are off. Like at fifteen for some reason,
<v Speaker 2>that made it okay for every guy, every man of
<v Speaker 2>power that she ran into to ultimately put her in
<v Speaker 2>an uncomfortable situation. And so this song is really what
<v Speaker 2>all of those experiences were about. Yeah, I can see
<v Speaker 2>that it's tragic. It's tragic. I mean, we both have daughters,
<v Speaker 2>young daughters and to imagine some man in power putting
<v Speaker 2>his moves on I mean a fifteen year eighteen year old.
<v Speaker 2>That's gross. Dude.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, just one small comment on this. When
<v Speaker 1>Dave Coolier when he heard You Ought to Know, he
<v Speaker 1>ran to the record store, picked up the album, listened
<v Speaker 1>to the whole thing, and he's like analyzing it, going, yeah, crap,
<v Speaker 1>am I all over this album?
<v Speaker 2>Right well.
<v Speaker 1>One of the things mentioned in this song in particular,
<v Speaker 1>she says, your shake is.
<v Speaker 2>Like a fish, and he's like, that's me.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, one hundred percent that's me.
<v Speaker 2>He said.
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of an inside joke. He would shake
<v Speaker 1>her hand and he's like dead fish me, dead fish me.
<v Speaker 3>Ah.
<v Speaker 2>And that is prequel to You Ought to Know right here. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'll go with that, and just on the kind of
<v Speaker 2>mutuality these two songs share that You Ought to Know.
<v Speaker 2>In this song, she talked about how she would was
<v Speaker 2>living in an apartment in La you know, as they're
<v Speaker 2>going through this process, and she ran into her landlord
<v Speaker 2>and her landlord before yes, female landlord, and she said
<v Speaker 2>the landlord said, oh, hey, I'm so you know, so
<v Speaker 2>impressed how well you're doing. She goes, I got to
<v Speaker 2>tell you the truth. When your album came out, I
<v Speaker 2>didn't really like it, and then I got divorced, and
<v Speaker 2>now I love it.
<v Speaker 1>Right, that's right, that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>This is divorced mom rock. This is what this is.
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, next song on the album, this song
<v Speaker 1>is called Forgiven.
<v Speaker 2>The thing about this album, I remember listening to this
<v Speaker 2>for the first time and hitting this song like, Holy cow,
<v Speaker 2>this is like, this isn't like anything I've ever heard.
<v Speaker 2>It's not only not like anything else on the album,
<v Speaker 2>it's not like any other song I've ever heard. She's
<v Speaker 2>got a different melody. I don't know, I don't know
<v Speaker 2>what scale she's in, but this is a this is
<v Speaker 2>an entirely different feel than anything you were hearing at
<v Speaker 2>the time.
<v Speaker 1>So this song, it just keeps getting better and better
<v Speaker 1>throughout the song, and she's hitting that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's.
<v Speaker 1>Getting it vocally.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of passion, a lot of Catholic guilt in
<v Speaker 1>this song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>She talked about how she thought and it was taught
<v Speaker 1>in the church that if she wasn't a virgin when
<v Speaker 1>she got married, she was a horror going hell. It
<v Speaker 1>comes out in this song, and uh, there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of passion there, yeah, a lot of anger. Yes, So
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a fantastic song. This is so emotional.
<v Speaker 2>And I think that was the other part. You know,
<v Speaker 2>you talked about how basically they were writing and recording
<v Speaker 2>so quickly that by the time she listened to it,
<v Speaker 2>she had forgotten. She's saying, that's right, but that there's
<v Speaker 2>something about that immediacy that captured the past that they had.
<v Speaker 2>And so I don't remember which one it was for sure,
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's right through. You bear with me
<v Speaker 2>if I got this wrong. Okay, but at least one
<v Speaker 2>of these songs that she has is just their demo version.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they went back and they modified a lot
<v Speaker 2>of songs, but she really like loved the demo version
<v Speaker 2>because they captured that raw appeal, that moment in time
<v Speaker 2>where she was feeling what she had just written down. Sure,
<v Speaker 2>and the record company was like, well, we really need
<v Speaker 2>to we need to clean this up and make it
<v Speaker 2>a little more radio friendly and all this other stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and she goes to appease them. We were because at
<v Speaker 2>first we're like, no, this is so perfect as it is.
<v Speaker 2>Don't mess this up and they're like, yeah, but really
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, you know, she's a new artist. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So they re recorded the whole song. Got a call
<v Speaker 2>back the next day from the record label and they're like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we listened to both of them. We're gonna go ahead
<v Speaker 2>and go with the demo. I love it. Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>love it.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I was worried when we started this. I thought, man,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to turn in my man card after
<v Speaker 1>this because I'm just gonna gush over this album. I'm
<v Speaker 1>so glad that you're with me on this thing.
<v Speaker 2>Dude, can't I mean not to you know, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna reach the end of a three album comparison
<v Speaker 2>at the end of this, guys. Okay, so we've got
<v Speaker 2>this album, We've got Jewel Pieces of You, We've got
<v Speaker 2>no doubt Tragic Kingdom. I owned every single one of
<v Speaker 2>these albums. And I'm sorry that a little spoiler alert
<v Speaker 2>if you if you don't want to hear this, cover
<v Speaker 2>your ears for about three seconds. But Jason literally said
<v Speaker 2>to me, this might be the best album of the nineties,
<v Speaker 2>and you might be right.
<v Speaker 3>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I thought I was gonna be on my
<v Speaker 2>own on that. No, this genuinely is one of the
<v Speaker 2>best albums of the nineties. I mean, and that's in
<v Speaker 2>that's in a huge family of fantastic albums. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you know how I feel about Ten, how I feel
<v Speaker 2>about Nevermind, how I feel about Throwing Copper. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there's Black Album, all of these just incredible albums, and
<v Speaker 2>this album is easily in the conversation for best of
<v Speaker 2>them all.
<v Speaker 1>There you Go, Yeah, next song on the album, Here
<v Speaker 1>we Go. This is my favorite song.
<v Speaker 2>On the album. I thought you said it was you.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is the conversation. I love them all, but
<v Speaker 1>the puppiness of this one really appeals to me. I
<v Speaker 1>don't see that this song is called.
<v Speaker 4>You learn rag. I'm walking around swallowing.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So when she was a kid and the and
<v Speaker 2>the pop star in Canada, she's got this record producer
<v Speaker 2>that they got hooked up with that was her uncle
<v Speaker 2>Joe or whatever, and he calls her to say, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we need to redo some of these vocals. And when
<v Speaker 2>she gets there, he's like, we're not here to do
<v Speaker 2>the vocals. We have to talk about your weight. And
<v Speaker 2>she had been putting on a little weight. She's going
<v Speaker 2>through puberty, for goodness sake, so she had put on
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of weight. And he was like, we
<v Speaker 2>got we got to do some restrictions here. And so
<v Speaker 2>he would eat like half a p when they go out,
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the evening, half a pizza, and she
<v Speaker 2>would get black coffee, maybe as midge of cream to
<v Speaker 2>you know, to be able to digest it or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>And she said they would have velveta cheese slices in
<v Speaker 2>the refrigerator and she would sneak down at three am
<v Speaker 2>and eat a couple of slices, maybe one slice of
<v Speaker 2>velveted cheese. The next day he would count the slices
<v Speaker 2>and say, did you eat one of these slices last night?
<v Speaker 2>Say all that to say she went through We talked
<v Speaker 2>about the Weindeine sixty nine guys and Dave Coolier and
<v Speaker 2>all of that. She went through some really really bad stuff.
<v Speaker 2>But as you pointed out, had she not gone through
<v Speaker 2>all of that, we probably wouldn't have this album.
<v Speaker 1>We would not have this album.
<v Speaker 2>And that's what this song is about. I love it.
<v Speaker 2>This is about you know, I recommend getting your heart
<v Speaker 2>trampled on by anyone because you live and you learn.
<v Speaker 2>There you go. You take all of these horrible things
<v Speaker 2>and you grow from them. Yeah, Jesus, this is a
<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old girl bringing the knowledge and wisdom. I'm
<v Speaker 2>just incredible.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, if you've listened to this song ever
<v Speaker 1>in your entire life, you know that the title of
<v Speaker 1>the album comes from this song. Swallow it Down. What
<v Speaker 1>a jagged little pill feels so good swimming in your stomach?
<v Speaker 2>Right? Yep? Did you watch the video? Which one is
<v Speaker 2>this one? She's like walking.
<v Speaker 1>Around, she keeps interacting with people, she's she shoots baskets,
<v Speaker 1>and she gets in a boxing fight and she's walking around.
<v Speaker 2>I don't really remember it that well. I guess it's
<v Speaker 2>like I figured I probably would remember them all.
<v Speaker 1>But the thing that stands out is her hair. It's
<v Speaker 1>kind of like it's like napping together.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it looks like she's doing back walkovers like
<v Speaker 1>a gymnast move and shooting baskets.
<v Speaker 2>It's a fun video. It's a fun song. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And there is a breakdown in the middle of this
<v Speaker 1>song where she's just making noise with her voice.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And I'm blown away.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>This was the most successful single in Canada in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, and it was the fourth single released in
<v Speaker 1>the US.
<v Speaker 2>Great song didn't chart on the Hot one hundred. You
<v Speaker 2>can't believe that only two of these songs charted on
<v Speaker 2>the Hot one hundred. What's going on? It doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>any sense. I read some stuff.
<v Speaker 1>About the release of singles and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 2>You were talking to me about that, about how they
<v Speaker 2>didn't really release individual singles, and I was looking at him,
<v Speaker 2>like I can see the album. But I think maybe
<v Speaker 2>what it is is they didn't release the singles in
<v Speaker 2>the US. They were kind of pushing the album sales,
<v Speaker 2>which obviously worked. I mean, it's the bush did the second.
<v Speaker 7>Or third collective sold did the same thing, so obviously
<v Speaker 7>sold a ton of albums by doing this, But that
<v Speaker 7>probably is part of the reason that the singles as
<v Speaker 7>they were, which I think, like I looked in there,
<v Speaker 7>like this is the single cover for Europe and this
<v Speaker 7>is the single cover for Canada.
<v Speaker 2>I think they didn't release it in the US and
<v Speaker 2>that's probably why they didn't chart as well as normally
<v Speaker 2>singles would. If you know the answer, hit us up
<v Speaker 2>on the phone lines. We are here to learn just
<v Speaker 2>like you.
<v Speaker 1>All right, I hate to leave this one too early,
<v Speaker 1>but the next song on the album is called head
<v Speaker 1>over Feet.
<v Speaker 4>I have no choice but to hear you. You stay
<v Speaker 4>in your case n again.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, after you watch you ought to Know for the
<v Speaker 2>first time, you still probably don't know what she really
<v Speaker 2>looks like. Like the video is fuzzy, her hair's over
<v Speaker 2>her face the whole time, and she's swinging all yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's all just very cloudy. After you watch this video,
<v Speaker 2>you have every detail of her face memorized.
<v Speaker 1>Really, you have like you can see pores and like
<v Speaker 1>the imperfections in her skin. It's four minutes of a
<v Speaker 1>close up on her face.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I told you just now it's like this. I
<v Speaker 2>fell in love with her watching this video, right like usful. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not that she's beautiful, it's just that she's real,
<v Speaker 2>you know, like she's she's not just a starlet. She's
<v Speaker 2>not some hot girl who sings. She's real.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I get it inside. This video was released
<v Speaker 1>September of ninety six, and yeah, all it is is
<v Speaker 1>a shot of her face. Now, I told you that
<v Speaker 1>she's obviously lip singing to make the music video and
<v Speaker 1>then sometimes she just takes a break.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's the.
<v Speaker 1>Lyrics are the song is still playing, but she's not
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it.
<v Speaker 2>Not doing it right now? Yeah, so she I mean,
<v Speaker 2>of course, Also, the lyrics of this song are very
<v Speaker 2>much a love song, right, this is about falling in love.
<v Speaker 1>It's actually like appreciating a boyfriend rather than wanting to
<v Speaker 1>slash his tires exactly. Yeah, so she grew a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, she didn't have all bad relationships. So after
<v Speaker 2>MCA dropped her, By the way, did I go into that?
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I went into that, all right. So
<v Speaker 2>she's a pop star in Canada. She starts to do
<v Speaker 2>different music and she's starting to write things that are
<v Speaker 2>more personal to her, and the record label is like,
<v Speaker 2>why are you doing this? Go with the stuff you
<v Speaker 2>know that you've been doing and stop trying to change,
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, sure, I should just stay the way
<v Speaker 2>I was at fifteen for the rest of my life.
<v Speaker 2>That makes a lot of sense. And here's a Debbie
<v Speaker 2>Gibson album, go make this. Yeah. And so when she
<v Speaker 2>was like I just want to I want to write
<v Speaker 2>the songs that I want to write, They're like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>you go do that by yourself. And they cut her
<v Speaker 2>from MCAO. That's how she goes out to LA. She's
<v Speaker 2>trying to find people to write with, and she said,
<v Speaker 2>I think she met with like four people who are
<v Speaker 2>all very nice, but they wanted to write their music
<v Speaker 2>and not her music. And Glenn Ballard was totally different.
<v Speaker 2>He was the one that said, well, tell me about you.
<v Speaker 2>What's important to you that we can that we can
<v Speaker 2>write music about. And that's what made her say, this
<v Speaker 2>is my guy, this is the one. This is the
<v Speaker 2>one that I want to write these songs with. I
<v Speaker 2>love it.
<v Speaker 1>I heard her talk about her philosophy on writing. She said,
<v Speaker 1>first thing I do is I go live life and
<v Speaker 1>then I write about what I did.
<v Speaker 2>That's a very earnest Haming way of her.
<v Speaker 1>There you go, yeah, all right, are we done with
<v Speaker 1>this one?
<v Speaker 2>We can move on. It's another song that I love.
<v Speaker 2>There's not a bad song on this album. Nope, there
<v Speaker 2>is not.
<v Speaker 3>No.
<v Speaker 1>Next song is called Mary Jane.
<v Speaker 2>Stunt. It's beautiful. What's it about.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, not marijuana. I'm convinced it's not about
<v Speaker 1>Marilla's not I agree with you.
<v Speaker 2>You know. They call the Little shoes Mary Jane's, you
<v Speaker 2>know that the little girls wear. And I feel like
<v Speaker 2>this is just a it's a conversation with her former self.
<v Speaker 2>I'd go with that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Beaumont Tench, the guy who plays with Tom Patty. I'm
<v Speaker 1>probably saying his name wrong. I know he played keys
<v Speaker 1>on this song. Oh didn't charge her.
<v Speaker 2>She took him out to dinner. Thirty three million copies.
<v Speaker 2>That's great, all right?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, next song, another absolute nineties iconic song, iconic,
<v Speaker 1>A little bit iconic, don't you think?
<v Speaker 2>Think a little bit too iconic?
<v Speaker 3>Yes?
<v Speaker 2>I really do think.
<v Speaker 1>All right, this song is called ironic.
<v Speaker 4>It's death rob part of two Minutes too Late and ironic.
<v Speaker 8>It's okay, now what you're gonna say?
<v Speaker 2>And yes, everybody knows that nothing that she mentions is
<v Speaker 2>actually ironic. Thank you for checking that.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Paul step Aside, We're not We're not fielding
<v Speaker 1>any of that.
<v Speaker 2>You get it. They are unfortunate, tragic, even in certain circumstances.
<v Speaker 2>Not ironic except that the Oxtra Dictionary literally changed the
<v Speaker 2>definition of the word ironic. How about that because of
<v Speaker 2>this song? How about that is fair? I mean, this
<v Speaker 2>song was everywhere and I mean people generally. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>how many times have you said, well, it's ironic, and
<v Speaker 2>then you probably didn't think about it, But if you had,
<v Speaker 2>you meant, no, it's not ironic. It's tragic, it's terrible,
<v Speaker 2>it's awful. It's not ironic. But that's okay. It's really
<v Speaker 2>about the words, you know. And when they asked her
<v Speaker 2>about this, she's like, I thought maybe one hundred people
<v Speaker 2>would hear this song, so I wasn't really thinking about
<v Speaker 2>that's right, that's right, right. And they told her they
<v Speaker 2>were like, you know, this album if they if we
<v Speaker 2>sell one hundred and fifty thousand copies, maybe hundred and
<v Speaker 2>seventy five thousand, we'll be doing great.
<v Speaker 1>All we want to do is get another album.
<v Speaker 2>And all that. And when she heard that, she's like, ash,
<v Speaker 2>that's a lot of people. Wow, try thirty million on
<v Speaker 2>for size. Well, yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I will tell
<v Speaker 2>you this.
<v Speaker 1>She didn't really like this song as much, but she
<v Speaker 1>liked the chorus so much.
<v Speaker 2>She loves singing the chorus.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she has a knack for writing catch choruses well.
<v Speaker 2>And this song, this is the one song that Glenn
<v Speaker 2>Ballard has a lyrical writing credit on like he was
<v Speaker 2>a part of the lyrics writing for this one. He
<v Speaker 2>you know, he was her encourager and her mentor, and
<v Speaker 2>he wrote the music for a lot of this stuff,
<v Speaker 2>but this is the one that he actually contributed some
<v Speaker 2>lyrics to. And she kind of wanted the whole album
<v Speaker 2>to be her album. Fortunately, there were other human beings
<v Speaker 2>who were like, please put this song on the album. Please,
<v Speaker 2>and she she acquiesced, and once again, thirty million albums.
<v Speaker 2>I have to think at least half of them are
<v Speaker 2>because of this song.
<v Speaker 1>This song reached number four on the Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 1>This is the highest charting song on the album. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>Celen Dion kept her out of the number one spot.
<v Speaker 1>More mom rock in the nineties.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, man, But hey, I'm not complaining. I even
<v Speaker 2>like some of those Celen Dion songs, right, and even
<v Speaker 2>some of the Shanaia Dwayne songs. Sure, and Wayne well,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like girl music. I realized it in
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, you know, as I'm I'm wrapping up Jaggie
<v Speaker 2>little Pill and I'm throwing in pieces of you and
<v Speaker 2>then I'm grabbing No doubt, I'm just like dude, I
<v Speaker 2>saw a lot of perform, and if you get to
<v Speaker 2>see a girl perform live, she'll melt your heart. Man,
<v Speaker 2>she really will, I mean beautiful or not. If she
<v Speaker 2>can sing, her attractive level increases exponentially.
<v Speaker 1>It should be said also that she's basically our age.
<v Speaker 1>She's right between you and I.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Like, yeah, you're seventy three, she's seventy four,
<v Speaker 2>I'm seventy five. Yes, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>Also, we can't really skip this video.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the video.
<v Speaker 1>I don't like the video at all.
<v Speaker 2>Tell me why.
<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, I think the song is awesome,
<v Speaker 1>but it's four versions of herself in a car and
<v Speaker 1>one of us. She's acting like she drives the short
<v Speaker 1>bus to school, she's acting like a spaz. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it's just.
<v Speaker 2>She's being different facets of herself. Right. She's got the
<v Speaker 2>serious one, she's got the boss, she's got the crazy one.
<v Speaker 2>She's got the lighthearted, fun one. She's just trying to
<v Speaker 2>show you she's not all angry girl all the time. Right.
<v Speaker 1>She was kind of pegged as the angry girl she was.
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah this I remember watching this and thinking, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>she can cut loose, she can have a little fun,
<v Speaker 2>be a little goofy. I dig it. It was goofy. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>She was definitely good. It was good fun. I really
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it. Yeah, if you like it, then I like it.
<v Speaker 2>That sounds good. By the way, we.
<v Speaker 1>Should mention she was engaged to Ryan Reynolds. Okay, they
<v Speaker 1>didn't ever get married, right, he ran often married. Scarlett
<v Speaker 1>Johansson ran off.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but I mean she's doing okay, Yeah, this
<v Speaker 2>is a catch as far as I understand. It's kind
<v Speaker 2>of a stud. Yeah, but yeah, and they're both Canadians,
<v Speaker 2>so they got that going for him. Those Canadians.
<v Speaker 1>They're proud. Yeah, shout out to our buddy Cameron record.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, side note on this, like when they
<v Speaker 2>do this tour, right and Taylor Hawkins of course gets
<v Speaker 2>hired on as the drummer. He then like he's he says,
<v Speaker 2>this is not only the best concert experience, the most
<v Speaker 2>debauchrous concert experience, he said, which I mean you just
<v Speaker 2>think about that. He's he toured for decades with food Fight,
<v Speaker 2>right and and yeah, and he says, yeah, no, it
<v Speaker 2>was it was. It was the Elanas Morris set tour
<v Speaker 2>and forgive me put your hands over your children's ears.
<v Speaker 2>He was like, we were trying to bang every girl
<v Speaker 2>that we can. So this is horrible, right, You've got
<v Speaker 2>all of these sweet little teenage girls who are in
<v Speaker 2>love with Elanas Morris Set who are coming to see
<v Speaker 2>her concert, and they've got a deal arranged with the roadie,
<v Speaker 2>like at some back dressing room somewhere to give them
<v Speaker 2>back passes. They think they're coming to meet Alana's and
<v Speaker 2>they meet the band and the band's trying to bang them.
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible.
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit ironic, oh Dutch think.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And they felt and I don't know how bad
<v Speaker 2>he feels about it, but but he's but he was like,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's terrible what we we got mad. Yeah, he
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, I felt disrespectful to her, and
<v Speaker 2>she was like, yeah, it was disrespect to me. And
<v Speaker 2>she was really mad. But then she was like, what
<v Speaker 2>am I gonna do? Find five more guys who are
<v Speaker 2>gonna do the same thing but not play as good
<v Speaker 2>as these guys and so, and she laughed about it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, she's she's got a sense of humor even
<v Speaker 2>about the incredibly inappropriate and tragic stuff that her bands was.
<v Speaker 1>All right, next song on the album. This song is
<v Speaker 1>called not the Doctor.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be the fillers the void souly yours.
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be our glass of Cimamot whisky
<v Speaker 3>hidden in the bottom drawer. I don't want to be
<v Speaker 3>abanda chion is not mine.
<v Speaker 5>Lends some fresher.
<v Speaker 2>So this is another one that wasn't like super well
<v Speaker 2>known worldwide, but that we we covered in the band
<v Speaker 2>with that girl that I had singing with us, and
<v Speaker 2>I loved it. It's again It's just another facet of
<v Speaker 2>the very variety of things that she was singing about,
<v Speaker 2>of just of like I'm tired of being your crutch
<v Speaker 2>all the time, man, I mean, like grow a pair,
<v Speaker 2>like stop coming to me with every single problem.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Not the Doctor right, by the way, this is
<v Speaker 1>like a low key favorite for me on this album.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. Taurus is great.
<v Speaker 1>It's catchys it in.
<v Speaker 3>Hours and nine to five and a show a ten
<v Speaker 3>past six nine and she would find somebody.
<v Speaker 5>To say stands too much to ask fun.
<v Speaker 2>Love it. It's fantastic. Last song on the album, Okay
<v Speaker 2>now I told you like we saw each other last week,
<v Speaker 2>I came in. I'm like, well, I just listened to
<v Speaker 2>Jagged Little Pill head to toe for the first time
<v Speaker 2>in probably twenty five years. Yeah, I would guess sure,
<v Speaker 2>and I knew every word to every song, same this one.
<v Speaker 2>This song. Really I heard this song and I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember this song at all. I don't remember it. Wow, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, somehow this one got I don't know, some
<v Speaker 2>other memory took its place. I don't know what it is,
<v Speaker 2>but it got flushed from the memory breaks. So play
<v Speaker 2>it for me again.
<v Speaker 1>This song is called wake Up Young.
<v Speaker 4>It's warm and my crane.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I have to think that this is my
<v Speaker 2>You're perfect right, like, this is my song that I
<v Speaker 2>was just like okay, which again, not to say it's
<v Speaker 2>a bad song. It's a fantastic song, right, compared to
<v Speaker 2>many other songs, way better. But when you're surrounded by
<v Speaker 2>all of these home runs. Yeah, it's a double, right,
<v Speaker 2>which is not bad. Double's good, that's right. It doubles good.
<v Speaker 2>Not a base hit. It's a double That's the way
<v Speaker 2>I feel about perfect right. But it's just not it's
<v Speaker 2>not as good as the rest of the See.
<v Speaker 1>I love this song.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a perfect closer, it kind of winds
<v Speaker 1>the album down. It's still it's still peppy, but it
<v Speaker 1>starts to kind of fade out and they she doesn't
<v Speaker 1>say the words wake up until the last two words
<v Speaker 1>of the song, very end of it, she says, wake up.
<v Speaker 2>So I got a question for you, all right, So,
<v Speaker 2>can you name me one song that's in a lot
<v Speaker 2>of song that's not on this album that you love. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>tell me. I love thank you.
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you.
<v Speaker 1>I love Uninvited, and I love hands.
<v Speaker 2>Cleaning very good. So thank you is how she usually
<v Speaker 2>ends the show. Okay, saying thank you to the audience
<v Speaker 2>basically is the way that she's doing, which is a
<v Speaker 2>great way to go. And if you had asked me
<v Speaker 2>that question, I absolutely was, said Uninvited. When I bought
<v Speaker 2>the I say, I bought I be Amied the City
<v Speaker 2>of Angels soundtrack, Yeah, yeah, and that song, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I was just blown away how good Uninvited was. And
<v Speaker 2>she said she you know, she saw a rough cut
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, went home to a piano, wrote in
<v Speaker 2>ten minutes, right, and it's so freaking good. But I
<v Speaker 2>just I need to say this like she was a
<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old girl. She meets this guy who is
<v Speaker 2>is going to lift her up instead of crawling on
<v Speaker 2>her back, right, and she writes twenty songs with him
<v Speaker 2>and they and they come out with this album, right yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and get turned down by everyone, right. And then once
<v Speaker 2>they do have an audience, she's shown up in workout
<v Speaker 2>clothes with this one other guy, right who allbeit he
<v Speaker 2>has written some big hits in the past, right, let's go.
<v Speaker 2>And so she goes from that. They take You Ought
<v Speaker 2>to Know to k Rock and they're like, hey, we've
<v Speaker 2>got this new girl. We would like you to listen
<v Speaker 2>to her CD and I remember to listen to listen
<v Speaker 2>to the DJ talk about this. She's like, we live
<v Speaker 2>every time we listen to a song for the first time.
<v Speaker 2>We put it on ten, like we're cranking it, baby. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she said, we listened to this song and our eyes
<v Speaker 2>were bugging out. I mean, which yes, I mean are
<v Speaker 2>you thinking of me when you f her? Would she
<v Speaker 2>go down on you in a movie theater? It's it's
<v Speaker 2>not a it's not about those things, but those will
<v Speaker 2>make your eyes pop. But it's just the fact that
<v Speaker 2>she's this girl who's this angry, jaded lover song. They
<v Speaker 2>are like, you don't need to sell us on this
<v Speaker 2>at all. They immediately take the CD from the listening
<v Speaker 2>room to the DJ and say, play this now. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>whatever you were about to play, put it aside. Play
<v Speaker 2>this now. They play it and the phone line start
<v Speaker 2>lighting up. That's so cool, man. So she's literally gone
<v Speaker 2>from nothing, Like Glenn didn't get paid. He hung out
<v Speaker 2>with her for nothing. She is a girl in an
<v Speaker 2>apartment and now they're playing her on k Rock, and
<v Speaker 2>now she's on MTV, and now she has a band
<v Speaker 2>that she has to put together to do a tour,
<v Speaker 2>and within a year she's selling millions of records. She's
<v Speaker 2>touring the world. She's like these guys who just worked.
<v Speaker 2>They just thought, okay, hey, we're going to be a
<v Speaker 2>supporting band for this new girl. Like their first show
<v Speaker 2>that they did together was just a little like show
<v Speaker 2>at the Maverick Record label, right right. They had to
<v Speaker 2>practice together for a while to get the songs. And
<v Speaker 2>this is the first time they've ever performed as a group.
<v Speaker 2>And within the year they are selling out stadiums. It's
<v Speaker 2>truly an amazing story. We talk about it overnight success, Like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she was a big pop star in Canada first. But
<v Speaker 2>and without those experiences, you don't get this album. But
<v Speaker 2>she literally went from nothing to everything in no time.
<v Speaker 2>It was a nuclear bomb.
<v Speaker 1>Is it fair to say Kurt Cobain was the male
<v Speaker 1>voice of the nineties and Alanis Morrissett was the female
<v Speaker 1>voice of the nineties.
<v Speaker 2>As far as the jaded, disenfranchised teenage crowd goes.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think Shania Twain's carrying the no.
<v Speaker 2>She's like she was pop yep, yep. Okay, guys, I
<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoyed this one. Come back next week we're
<v Speaker 2>going to talk We talk about Jewel next, ye, no
<v Speaker 2>doubt jewel, all right, talking about Jewel Pieces of You next.
<v Speaker 2>We'll follow that up with No doubt Tragic Kingdom. And
<v Speaker 2>at the end of all that, we will give you
<v Speaker 2>our ranking one, two, and three, gold, silver, and bronze.
<v Speaker 2>Which of these albums is the best? Down? So thank you, guys,
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you. Thanks guys.
<v Speaker 1>We'll see you next time.