Home Alone with Tamara Yajia

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Speaker 1: On the be dodcast, the questions asked if movies have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef invest start changing it with the beck Del casts. Hello, Hello, yeah, oh, we're so excited. It's our it's our last show at the Ruby. Yes, it is at least at this location because they're moving downtown. Yes, so follow them that heard of it. Hello. My name is Caitlin. My name is Jamie, and we talk about the representation of women in movies on our podcast that you're watching right now. Five. You see our faces, so clap it up, as they say. If you've listened to the podcast before, Oh nice. Remember our first live show and everyone was like, where are we? Everyone was in the room fully by mistake. They thought it was a screening of Dirty Dancing, which it wasn't. Um and um no no shame. Clap If you have not heard the show before, did anyone come with a friend? OK? Welcome, Hi, thanks for coming. Brave, very very brave, you say, brave and non allied women clearly hates women haven't heard the shop until tonight. And now you're here and we're going to fix you. Okay, so just out of curiosity, today's movie is Home Alone. We've seen it, clap. Has anyone like me before a couple of days ago not seen it before? Okay, I'm a dumbass, thank you? All right? I mean I think we can both agree. I read at the Jump feminist master Pie for sure. Yeah, it has a feminist agenda, and we all know that. You just gotta really dig down and make stuff up for that which will be of today's show. Literally, what are we going to talk about today? Hard hard to say, but to join us in that discussion, We've got a guess, as we always do. She's a writer. She's the host of the Treso Talk podcast Give it up for tam you here? Hi, Hello, welcome you. I have my beverages, all two of them. Yes, I'm going to urinate on the stage please. I like to think of the venue as as your litter box. Really, it's nice. I was just thinking I'm getting a cat, and I was like, people should have litter boxes. It's way smarter. I did something really terrible and embarrassing the other day. I peed on my dog's pep pad standing up. What was the motivation I don't know. Sometimes things like that make me feel alive. Oh so you don't like that's possible. You weren't like about to have an emergence that you're like, oh, I can't get to the toilet and time Kit was really trying to find the rationale. I had to walk farther to get to the toilet, so you wanted the pe I totally get that impulse. Being standing up is beautiful, which I understand toxic masculinity. Every time I pee standing up, I'm like, oh this it's empowered about Okay, why also why can't Well, I guess I don't know. I just think that there is a way in which women could stand up. Have you ever seen like there is like a complicated funnel that was on the market for a bit that I was like, maybe I'll do it. I owned one. You have one? Wa what does it get there for camping? Oh it's too it's unnecessary, Like how long? Is it? Like a to be thing? It's a funnel with like a little like a skinny penis at style in Yeah, alright, well we've all learned a lot so far here. Okay, there's just like no way I'm not going to pee in the litter box at some point, please text me like, I will text you see what clum page we get, We'll figure it out what happens. Okay, so wants to die? Okay? Just I mean speaking of pe home alone? Am I right? No? No one? Yeah, he's there for a while. Does he not p the whole two days he's home alone? But then the other argument is like we should have seen him peeing, which we shouldn't know, so you know, the peeing is implying so tomorrow. What's your history your relationship with this film. It's one of my favorite or it was one of my favorite movies until I just rewatched it earlier this week, and I was like, ah, when I was a kid, I think I saw it as like a documentary because I just realized today I've had a weird trauma about getting burglarized when left home alone, and I didn't know why I still have that. I believe it on the movie like a goofy burglary or a scary one, like an actual one. Yeah, And then I was like, it was so goofy. That's what I thought when I saw it last week. But it was scary when you were a kid. It was scary and it's and it's still a trauma I have of being alone and like having people break into my apartment. I like talk about it in therapy all the time, and I don't know. I don't want to blame the movie, but like kind of weird that it's my favorite movie and that's my biggest thing. I mean, it just goes to show how influential film is, which is why we need this podcast. Caitlin or what's your history with this movie? I grew up with it hard um whatever that means. Like I was four when it came out in UM, but I think I probably saw it for the first time when I was like five or six, watched it steadily dozens and dozens of times throughout my childhood, probably un till I was like eight or nine or so, and then I was like, I'm older than Kevin Funk this movie now, so I didn't. I kind of stopped caring about it at some point and I hadn't seen it since then, so it's been a solid twenty plus years since I had revisited it does hold up. I was surprised that the movie does a lot of things to justify, like why they would have forgotten Kevin at home, like they do try really hard to get back to him right away. I didn't remember any of that. I was like, if his family doesn't even notice he's gone, except for that one part where Katherine O'Hara is on the plane goes kind of which is a cinematic moment like it will go down in history. It's horrible that when I was watching them forget him, I'm like, no, that makes sense. Well, there's so many children there, how do you keep a million? And they all look like yeah, within two inches of height of the same child. And then she sent him to the dungeon the upst the attic. I'm like, you know what, as someone who like my parents did forget me places like once or twice in ways that I feel like we're more careless than what Katherine O'Hara did. I don't know, but yeah, so I have. I watched this a lot as a as a child, but not at all as an adult. What about you, Jamie, I didn't grow up with this movie. I don't know why. I was like, I just I call. I was on the film with my mom today and I was like, why didn't we watch Home alone? When I was little, She's like, it's dorky. I know. I I thought it was a lovely romp when I watched it, But I don't know. My mom thought it was dorky, so we didn't, which is weird because like she has horrible taste and everything, which anyone who listens the podcast is well aware of. But what the movie I watched a ba jillion times was The Jim Carrey Grinch, which my mom is like, now, this is film, which, by the way, Jamie, we should at least spend a little bit of time discussing what you're wearing. Yeah, I have where it's a it's a holiday episode where grin cheese. I wore a reddish color, so I'm in a holiday spirit, you know, tasteful. This is actually a traditional um winter Solstice outfit. So I'm actually doing a really good job. I'm in white representing God of course, headset toe, so I feel like we really have some father son holy spirit energy on stage here. You decide who's who. Yeah, I just I didn't grow up with this movie. Uh, And now I was kind of bummed out because when I watched it, I'm like, oh, I wish I had Yeah, it's so fun. It is. It's a beloved movie. Ye, it made a bazillion dollars at the box office, was an instant smash. So thought it was dorky. So what year did it come out? Okay, so I was born in eighty three? So how old was I? I can't do Basically, I was, okay, you're like the perfect day to say this movie? Yeah? How old was Kevin? Eight? Oh? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this is perfect. It's try and then I think mccaulli Colchium is nine. Yeah, right, well represented here seven, eight and nine, talk ab progressive. All right, should I get into the recap let's recap it feminist masterpiece? Here we go. So the McAlister House, which is somewhere in the very wealthy suburbs of Chicago, is full of people as they all prep for this holiday trip that they're taking as a family to Paris, which good for you. Right, they were rich. They were rich, very rich, and it does not really go addressed how rich they are. But when the pizza cons at the beginning of like dollars, you're like, as an they're billionaires. I know, it's crazy. So they're leaving for this trip the following morning, and then we meet Kevin. That's Macaulay Culkin. Of course, uh, he is whiny, he's causing trouble. He doesn't know how to pack his suitcase. But he's not like the other kids, right, He's precocious. But his family is like, oh, man, you're so helpless, you can't do anything for yourself. And then his mom Kate Catherine O'Hara, and his dad Peter played by John Heard, we we meet those characters. We meet Kevin's brother, Buzz, who has I got Buzz honestly, and buzzes to Rantla and his creepy posters and his playboy magazine that we find out he has later on, okay, carefully alright, a former playboy there. Oh the worst fact about me? I worked at Hooters, so I get it. Okay, true story, but it was as a delivery driver. Then that is a also true. Is the best fact about you? Thank you so much. So Buzz tells Kevin about their neighbor, this older man named Marley, who Buzz says is known as the shovel Slayer and he killed his whole family with a snow shovel. So Kevin's really scared of him. Now the family sits down to dinner, which is hundreds of dollars worth of pizza. I like, adjusted for inflation, does anyone have a ballpark of how much that would be? I pulled up the converter and then I was like, I don't want to know. It's too much. Would guess, but ten thousand American dollars. I lived in Argentina when this came out, so for me it was ten tho dollars because the Argentine basil is worth ship so so there. So you're like, oh, these people are fucking million billionaires. How much is a pizza costa? That's so confusing. So the family they're having dinner and Kevin gets in a fight with Buzz and all everything gets spilled, and his whole family staring at him, being like you eaty, Look what you did. His uncle really lays into him. What is that line? He says, He's like, look what you did, your little jerk? He really he hits jerks so hard and silence. Yeah, Frank was cheap a uncle. Yeah, he would not pay the pizza boy who was hot. He was hot. Okay, he's probably a teenager. Not Now he's like fifty years old. Now, don't persecute me. I'm so sorry. Okay. So then there's also a cop just inside their house and we're like, okay, this family loves cops unclear. I don't love that. But he's like standing there and he talks to Kevin's dad saying like, hey, just be careful. There's a lot more home burglaries around the holidays. Like I just want to make sure you have like adequate home security, and like how rich do you have to be for the police to show up at your house to be like there might be crime at some point? Right? It's like there, you live in Chicago, Like, go do something. There are murders to solve. Yeah. So and it's Joe Pesci and it's this is the reason why I picked this movie. Honestly, head, I'm obsessed. But it's dark. Okay, I cannot wait to un let's get into it. Oh my god. So Kevin's dad's like, don't worry, like we're going to Paris. We've got alarms, like everything is fine. And then suddenly Joe Pesci flashes his gold tooth and this cop seems sketchy all of a sudden, show your show your no one asked to see his badge, and that's not a victim blame. But it was not a victim blame, but the whole family should have been murdering. Then Kevin's mom sends Kevin upstairs and it's like quit causing trouble you a little shit, and he's like, families suck. I wish you'd all disappear. So then the following morning, the family is like rushing around to head to the airport because everyone slept in because there's a power outage. There was like a bajillion kids. There's so many kids, right, but there's a lot of kids, right, and they but they all slept in, so there's chaos and they forget about Kevin, who is sleeping in the upstairs dungeon, and they accidentally leave him behind. Now Kevin wakes up and discovers that his family is gone, and he thinks that his wish was granted, and he's really excited about it. He's jumping on the bed, he's eating junk food, he's watching trashy movies, and meanwhile outside to burglars are casing the house and one of them is the cop from the beginning, Joe Pesci. From here on, his character's name is Harry, and then there's also Marv that's Daniel Stern's character. They go to break into the house because they think no one is home, but then like Kevin sees them lurking outside, so he turns the light on and scares them off. Meanwhile, Kevin's mom is on the plane first class, first class, but they keep like couching it by being like, it's the other guy. He upgraded us this like mysterious uncle. And it's also like the end of the eighties. It's technically you're like, he got this money in a bad way, right, Oh, for sure, you're like this reeks of like dirty eighties Wall Street money. Definitely, Yeah, they did not earn that vacation. But this is when we get the moment where Kevin's mom is like, co god, she realizes this immediately and then I'm like, oh, we have to get back home. So they land in Paris there like calling the police being like can you go check on Kevin. Nothing's really working out. None of the neighbors are answering, and the phone line doesn't work. That's another thing that they set up. The phone isn't working at their house right before they leave, because a decent job of cutting off all reasons they want to see dystopian home alone. I think that's just the movie's Skyfall. Remember how Skyfall does a home alone thing at the end. Yeah, okay, So Kevin puts his hands on his face and goes ah, and we're like, yes, yes, this happy moment. I forgot that it was an aftershave thing. I thought he was like, I'm scared. I'm like, damn, marketing is so tricky. And then he goes out to buy a toothbrush and he runs into the neighbor that he's afraid of, and then he runs into the burglars who have just robbed a nearby house, and now both parties are suspicious of each other, and Kevin's like, when those guys come back, I'll be ready for them. So he knows that they're burglars somehow or something. Well, when they almost hit them with a car, which I also got right here. Yeah, who wrote this? Fucking John John Is? So we're like, what this is? Actually like? John Hughes is least problematic script, probably because there's no women in right. So then Kevin pretends there's a party going on at his house using a bunch of mannequins that his family has for some reason, and a Michael and a cardboard Michael Jordan. That was what a fun party, classes right? I want to be invited. I would watch a David Lynch short that was a Michael Jordan cut out in a bunch of mannequen. So the burglars are tricked by this, but eventually Harry figures out that Kevin is indeed home alone. That's the name of the movie, and he loudly exclaims that they will come back that night at nine pm, and Kevin hears it. Yeah, So Kevin makes a Christmas wish that he wants his family back, and he goes into a church. He talks to his neighbor, who isn't a scary murder after all, right, which is like, you're like, the lesson is if you are afraid of an adult, you should talk to them by yourself. Unclear on that, right, But the old guy ends up being very nice. So meanwhile, Kevin's mom has made it to Scranton shout out to Pennsylvania, and she is now getting a ride in a moving truck with a polka band that John Candy is the clarinet player for shout out to clarinet. I wish there have been an oboe, but there's really no place for the polka band. Now it's a little too ready, sure, but you know high clarinet visibility. Yes, yes, and that when we do respect that, we do so. Kevin returns home where he definitely left the doors unlocked, so the burglars could just walk in at any time, by the way, and then he booby traps the whole house. He's icing the entryways. He puts tar and glue different places, little toys that hurt when you step on them. And then the burglars come back exactly at nine pm sharp, just like they said, and they but they slip on the ice and then there's an iron in his face. But they're so determined to get into this house to steal what. I don't know. I guess VCRs pizza money. Right. It's like in Fast and Furious one, where like the whole thing is liked blares. You're like, I guess that that's a good highest for this specific span of three months. So you know, the burglars are encountering all these obstacles, but they finally make their way in. There's a trantula. They trip a bunch over a bunch of stuff, and they're like, I'm gonna get that kid, But then Kevin's zip lines to his treehouse and gets away. They're chasing after him, but then they catch him. But then Kevin's neighbor, the nice guy who's not a murderer, comes in and staves the day by bonking the bad guys with a shovel, and then the cops come. They arrest the burglars, and the next day is Christmas, and Kevin wakes up and he's like, my family, are they gonna be here? And then they're not, But then his mom shows up, but then none of the other families there, but then they are, and everyone's like and then we're like, okay, now I know which ones were the siblings and which ones were the cousins. They yes, so that's oh also yeah, no will. It ends with the old man wax the burglars with his shovel, and then he and Kevin make a silent packed to never talk about it. He does not report it to the police, is Kevin doesn't say a word, and then they exchanged this look at the end, that's like, don't tell? It was like, who does it benefit to not tell anybody? Now there's burglars on the lice? But whatever? Do you think Kevin had trauma after this? Yes, it would have had to. I had trauma and I was just watching it. And then there was home alone too start Trump. What the yikes? But that's the story for homelone one. So there you have it. Jamie, would you join me backstage for a minute because I have to tell you something. Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry everybody. I don't know why she's doing this. Caitlyn, what okay? Now that we're safely backstage, I can tell you about Hello Fresh. Oh my gosh, what a relief, I know, especially because I think that Kevin McAllister could have used a Hell of Fresh subscription when he was home alone and didn't have easy access to food, and if some one was delivering Hello Fresh to his home, they would have found him that he was a god. It makes you think, Caitlin, we have both used Hello Fresh. It's true. I am such a horrible cook, but with Hello Fresh, I was able to not feel that way, and I had I had several delicious meals, so did I. I got the vegetarian option and I cooked the meals up. It was super easy. The recipes that they provide make the whole process so simple and stress free and delicious meals to show for I had burgers, I had fahitas. What didn't I have? Oh my goodness? You can break out of your dinner rut our listeners that are not at the live show with Hello Fresh as twenty plus seasonal chef curated recipes each week. There's something for everyone, from family recipes to calorie smart and vegetarian like you're saying, Caitlin, and fun menu series like Hall of Fame and craft Burgers. Hello Fresh has more five star recipes than any other meal it, so you know you're going to get something delicious. Okay, Oh my goodness. Hello Fresh is also very flexible and it fits your lifestyle, so you can add extra meals to your weekly order. You can add yell me add ons like garlic bread and cookie doughs so you can make cookies for the holidays the dough, and then you can also easily change your delivery days, food preferences and skip a week if you need to. Okay, we have to get back out to the show. But I think we can both agree. Kevin McAllister needed Hello Fresh. The story would end so differently. And you can get nine free meals with Hello Fresh by going to Hello Fresh dot com slash TBC nine and using code TBC nine. That's Hello Fresh dot com slash TBC nine with promo code TBC nine. Can will you join me back in the main room? You bet? I will? Damn Hi, Hello. We're so sorry. Usually we're like, wow, there's so much to talk about. Um, you know, this is just a light episode. This is really more of a hangout. Yeah, we're just hanging out where we discussed. I mean, so, I guess where we could start is with Kate McAlister. Sure, okay, what do we know about her? She's Kevin's mom. Mom. She ignored him right at the beginning. He had valid points. He went to her bed and he said, Mom, they won't let me do this, and she said, shut the funk up. And he said, Mom, they treat me like ship and she was like, get out. She shushed him a million times. She was on a work call. Did she work? She was a great question. Um, it is unclear. She's on the phone with someone at the beginning, but I think it's a family member. That's what I kind of thought as well. Um, it is not made ever explicitly clear what her job is if she does have a job, Nor is it make clear what Kevin's dad's job is if he has a job. Apparently there are I don't know if they're Reddit threads or what's out there, but there's like a fan theory that Kevin's mom is the breadwinner of the family. That was not the theory I came across. A good theory, Okay, I think the only evidence that I found to support this was that she she had the money in her pocketbook to pay he's a delivery driver, and she's wearing a suit, which means that she has a job. She's a business I feel like in like costuming wise, that does kind of like means I don't know. I feel like, especially in the eighties and nineties, they female characters are dressed so in an expository way of like, this is the sexy character, this is the mom, and she was dressed like a working mom because the aunt is dressed fabulously with like hurls and like like, but she she doesn't have a job. I felt like a business job, and a business job. Yeah. Sure. The dad was a total schmuck too, he was Yeah, I think that he was like I I think that he may have worked, he may have had a job, but I don't think he was on her level. And I would bet that her family was like, are you sure about Peter? I thought that too, right, and then she was like, well, he's inheriting this really nice house. I had all these rewatched it. It almost feels the way my family thinks about my husband who's a musician. Oh, like are you are you sure? And you're like, but it's for love, and they're like, what is it? But it allows me to run the household, right, It's exciting, it's great. I love to dominate. I think the bad that's how you exert dominance over your households. It was just one of the guess who's that that's terrifying. I'm gonna come on the defense of Kevin's dad hanging out. Okay, So, a lot of movies, especially of this era, and especially in this genre, if they're framing like a family unit like this, they're subscribing to a lot of tropes, and the tropes are usually that it's like a shrewy cartoonishly uptight mom and then a very doofy dad. I felt neither of those stereotypes were really played too in this movie. I felt that the dad was actually like very supportive of his wife. Yeah, and it seems that they had an equal parenting relationship. It seems like they were both doing a lot. Well, you know, someone's got to pay for the pizza, right, But like the two of them seem too. I mean, in the few scenes we see them parenting and not dwelling on their failure of parenting, it seems like it's kind of and and they have four kids, um, and it seems like they're they're they're splitting their responsibilities. Is it four? Is if? Is there another one? Might be? Oh wait, because there's little Karen Coulkin too, but he's one of the cousins. He's a cousin. But there's like I think the eldest daughter is maybe two sisters, two brothers. That was my way to let me check. I am dB production. There are eleven kids total in the household between the two families. But if there's only four kids in the McAlister unit, there is five. There's Jeff McAllister, Kevin's elder brother, Megan McAllister, Kevin's eldest sister, Buzz the older brother, and then Lenny. So there's five kids and then the Callister family. I would forget one every time I left, Honestly, anyone who's coming down too hard on Kate and Peter consider right. I mean so like the way that they're acting towards Kevin in the very beginning, where they're like shut up, just like do what you're told, and dada, like they're frantic they're dealing with there's eleven children in their house. I would have be having a meltdown. But I think that whenever when like they're like on the flight to their trip, the chaos has died down and his mom is like I can't not do it. Um She's like I can't help but feel like I forgot something. And I feel like the dad could have been at least favorite son. He went through Like I feel like in a lot of movies, the dad would be like, oh, you're overreacting, like just relax, like everything's fine, but he's like, well, let's go through this was it. The coffee machine was at the door, like he was always like very supportive and like he never like belittle her or undermined her. And yeah, I really liked it. Good people. Yeah, I really do think they were good. I don't know, I was very sympathetic with them the whole time. And I also felt like the opening sequence where like Kevin is being talked down to and kind of like dumped on by his family, it's like a little over the top, but I feel like that's almost written to be from his perspective that when you're a little kid, you think like I, I was from like a big family too, and you always feel like no one likes me. I don't get the attention I deserved. My parents don't want to talk to me because there are too many other kids around. Like I feel like that it's just like heightening, you know that, like Kevin is like lost in this mix of kids and he doesn't really fit anywhere because he's not Tarantula kid yet the kid we all aspire to me. He was the creative if you think about it, like he was like the you know, he was kind of a child prodigy, Like who does all the like the talk are in the feathers and I mean, yeah, he's a mastermind. He's an engineer, a little boy in stem if you will, he does the whole thing where there's explosives. Yeah, where who tied him that? Buzz? Will you steal the firecrackers from buzzes like porn stash area. Buzz reminds me of Sid from Toy Store. Yeah, you're like, oh another Tally Kid the movie that has a different character named Buzz in it the connections. Oh wait, no, it's Buzz, Like I don't think it was the dog because that would just happenes. Holy sh it, I think I'm sick. Okay, I think Buzz and Sid or both grow up to be the feminists. Okay, okay, we can talk about Buzz for a second. Buzz at eleven doesn't have the best few of women yet. Can I tell you a fact I've read? Yes, you know how. At one point, Kevin pulls out a picture of Buzz's girlfriends. Yes, that's the director wearing a wig because he is crazy. He's Columbus in a whig. He didn't want to make fun of women's looks. That he's kind of endearing. Is this movie a gift from the heavens? That's like such a that's a very round about sweet thing to do is like, I don't want any like young girl to feel like she's weird looking. You know what's weird looking me? Because because Kevin sees the picture and he's like, oh, Buzzer's girlfriend Wolf. Yeah, I don't hate it. There's I told you guys, there's a lot of attourney. We'll be here until six am. This is a sleepover. That's why we were wearing pajamas. No, well, Buzz, you know, Buzz says some he has his California girl posters, his his babe posters of the era. You can tell he's a horny young man that doesn't quite understand how to speak of women respectfully. We get the feeling he's being raised by a strong woman. She'll catch on when she has time she has and be like, hey, let's you know, let's have a discussion, and then she'll give him a rock sand gay book. Right but right now, he says, is it true that French babes don't shave their pits? And he's grossed out by women's body hair fuzz uh. And then he's like, Francis nude beaches, right, And then they're like, it's winter he's like Tarantula's Oh my god, he's just you know. I like to imagine the buzz Later goes on a journey and you know, discovers some good literature and really gets zack together. It was his friends from school that we're influencing him. To me, Yeah, is the letterman jacket all the time, And they got that Playboy magazine for him. Well, I don't think Peter's hoarding those unless but unless he we don't know. We don't know. What I think is buzz Later writes a blog post when blogs exist, so when he's like in his late twenties, he writes a blog post. It's like letter to my younger self. And then he writes about all the toxic things he learned as a child, and he apologizes to all the California babes. I hope that happened there. I think that they're what we're learning is there's so few female characters to talk about that we're just head cannoning all the children. Well there's I think there's a little bit more to talk about with Kevin's his mom, with Kate. Yeah, of course, I forgot how much we cut back to the family. Like I remember the Kevin thing happening on the airplane, but I didn't quite remember, like how often we cut back to her, like desperately trying to figure out a way to get home. Very active, very active. She's like delegating tasks, she's getting ship done. She's like negotiating with people, whether it's like people work at the airlines or like other customers who were like I will give you five dollars, I'll give you all the jewelry off my body, like take everything. I just I'm trying to get home. So she's like doing stuff Like I think she's easily a far more memorable character than the Dad, who for sure no one remember. I mean maybe some people remember the Dad, but like he and I think that a lesser movie would have given all these tasks to there, or at least some of the more active tasks to the dad, where it's like I feel like she is responding to like the maternal instinct, which is like, you know, rooted in some truth and can sometimes be used as a more trophy thing for a movie, but in this movie it makes sense. The dad is supportive of it every step of the way. But there is that one moment where like she's at the airport and she's like, I forgot my son at home, and he's like, well, let's just go to Paris and see what happens. Then you're like, yeah, One thing I found weird is when they arrive at Paris, she she calls the cops back in Chicago and she says, my son is home alone. My son is home alone. But she doesn't say I forgot my son at home. True, that was a red flag that she didn't hold herself accountable for her mistake. And then the cops says, oh, this woman's hyper. Yeah. Well I thought that that was interesting too, because I'm like, would they have acted that way if it was the dad calling They men are called hyper a lot, so I mean she should have said, you know, like admitted, listen, I forgot about my son and I'm in France. That's a bad look, but you got to say it. The cops would have gone to the house, right. This is all of a labyrinth of pustle pieces that But I was very impressive, Like, she is very active. She is clearly, you know, thinking smart in the moment, she's thinking strategically. It's a very survival based I don't know I think that my impression of this movie, or like just like what I'd collected over the years, was that his parents were like incredibly careless and stupid. But that wasn't what I felt watching it, Like, this is just very unfortunate for this billionaire family. It's too bad. The other thing I found a bit surprising was that because so many movies, especially ones that like have a young boy as the lead character, the main relationship that will be focused on in the movie would be a father son relationship, and then this movie, it's far more focused on the mother son relationship. Were Like that scene with him and Catherine O'Hara at the end is so sweet, and I feel like it's so well done by Katherine O'Hara because you can see she's like, please don't remember this too much, you know, and she loves him so much, and it's it warmed in my heart. I have another weird factoid. Macauley Culkin still calls her mom in real life weird. Yeah is it Weird's not nice? It's weird. Well, I don't know, it's it's something. Wow, they bonded, so if no stue, wait you're telling me Macaulay Culkin thirty nine years old, goes on the set of Ship's Creek just to scream, and he says, Mom, Katherine O'Hara looks happen is like what I'd like to think. This is exactly what happened. I hope this happens all. I hope he drops in constantly. He just calls to say mom and ing. So that that is very I mean, he is so little in this movie, like it's man and and like so I mean it's this is not a hot take. He's very talented. He's so good. I was getting I saw Jojo Rabbit recently, and the kid and Jojo Rabbit reminds me a lot of mcaulay culkin in the same like we're like, wow, this kid's really got something kind of way, but like he's so talented, especially because it's like a kid having to like carry an entire movie. It's no easy to see. Yeah, and like really the only thing they had to go. He was in a different John Hughes movie. He was an Uncle Buck in like a pretty small role. And I guess I read there was a If you love this movie and are interested in the production of it, there's a really good oral history of it that was like collected by John Hughes's son that like he just talked to everyone who made the movie, and I guess that they auditioned like three million. It was a lot of kids, and like John Hughes, who like I feel like I listened to our other episodes about John Hughes movies because we don't love him, but like, for the purposes of this movie, I don't really care. Yeah, he was like, it's got to be Macaulay Culkin and Chris Columbus was like, let's see, let's see what these other tip tapping boys yet, and then it still ended up being him because he was that good. Was this his like breakout? I think, I think, I mean it was like this was his first starring like starring starring role, and then we get other classics like the Page Mask, Stage Master and My Girl came later. Yes, a couple of years after that, he's a start. He's a star and he calls Cathine o'harah mom, he's a star. I don't know. I love it. I love it. He's great. Um. I want to talk a little bit about the things that Kevin decides to do while he has no parental supervision. At first, he's doing like normal kids stuff, like he's jumping on the bed, he's eating junk food, stuff like that. But then over the span of I suppose a day or so, he comes of age. I don't know what happens, but he's like, I have to go out and buy a toothbrush and I have to make sure it's been approved by the American Dental Association. And also I have to go buy groceries and use a coupon while I'm doing that. And then he does laundry, and then he washes the dishes. He does all these domestic domestics that we never see boys or men do in movies. Well, those are only relegated to girls, and it's not made to be a joke. And he's just like, I'm I'm in charge of the house. This is what I do. But then there's also this weird thing where he's like, oh, I'm the man of the house. Now, it's ridiculous for me to be scared. I have to protect my domain. And okay, cut yourself, yeah, cut yourself a break. You're eight years old and Joe Pesci is trying to kill you. My dream waste kidding. He overcomes a fear of the furnace too. He does, but he really does because the furnace talks to him at the beginning, and then he stops talking. He's scared. I was also scared of that furnace when I was a kid. It's very scary. You would have been scared. Yeah, I didn't even register that is as him doing you know, traditionally feminine tasks. But he's just like, I'm there, and he has like this very kind of sweet allegiance to the house. He's like, I gotta protect the house. I gonna do. It's like this combination of like traditionally masculine and feminine trips that are all sort of similarly. To defend his house, he uses a mix of household appliances like an iron and feathers and what are what do they do those mannequins and feathers? Why were there mannequins in the basey my head Cannon is that Katherine O Harri's character is the breadwinner of the family and she's like a very successful fashion designer. That's what I choose to believe. I like to think that Peter likes mannis That's my opinion. Yeah, he uses a mix of like household items and also like a BB gun and a like blowtorch kind of thing. Um, he's doing it all. There's that moment where the bags break while he's walking, while he's walking with the groceries. Yeah, yeah, and while rewatching it. That scene got me because I have a frustration of errands and just lifting, as we all do. But that really I related. Yeah, he knows what it's like to the grind the grind. One thing I felt was missing from the movie is there is no cleaning up montage at the end after the burglars have been arrested, because how there's tar, there's a glue. Weird to believe Kevin cleaned that all up, cleaned it all up by himself and put out milk and cookies and put like put up the tree, did the stockings, all that stuff it could, But I would have liked to see the cleaning montage that Kevin did though. I think that was an important thing that we missed. Old Man Marley helped him for sure, but then at that that increases the secret also of like let's make sure there's no trace right there. It's so weird. One thing that I mean this is so there's so little to talk about it in the way, but Kevin has two sisters. Yes, they shifted on him relentlessly. I liked that in this montage of like just every kid in the house is like Kevin's a loser, he sucks. There was, you know, no discrimination in terms of gender, in terms of who thinks Kevin sucks. Because I feel like, you know, a lesser movie would be like, you know, would have like female children be like no, it's but everyone's just like fuck you, Kevin, You're You're the worst piece of ship and he's like, wow, did just you know? So I liked and I I felt that the girls were given the superior burns. Yes, what's up with that classy burn? She's educated surrealist burn. Yeah, I don't know what what why that though? That that choice, I'm like, oh, she's she read you know, three pages of a like. Um. So I liked. I mean, obviously I wish that there were more and the choice of a big brother over a big sister, you know, that's you can kind of make it that way you will, But I did like that it was an equal opportunity dump on Kevin montage at the top, I appreciated that. I want to talk a little bit about other comparable movies of this era, like late eighties into the nineties, the like children and family movies from this time because of the popular ones that are still remembered and beloved. Most of them are very male driven stories. Most of them have male protagonists, including I think holiday movies in generalists, well, I would say so for sure, yes, and just all movies, but it extends to children and family movies as well. Unfortunate as that is, uh so, movies like Home Alone, Hook, Teenage Mutant, Inta, Turtles, The sand Lot, The Mighty Ducks. There's a bunch of sports movies like Space Jam, Little Giants. There was Free Willie and we don't know if Willie does Willie identify? I don't know if I gendered Willie? Does anyone know? ORCA will cover it? But like Little Ras, Heavyweights, a goofy movie, an extremely goofy movie. Are those cartoons you haven't seen? You haven't seen a goofy movie. I feel like you would really love it. Goofy scares me a little bit. Really Yeah, I don't like him. He gives me Anxietyfy you know how to skip it? I'll watch it for you. So you know, there's all these beloved movies from this era, but so many of them are just like very male driven. Of the like ones that are more female driven, they're kind of few and far between. There are things like Matilda, Harriet the Spy. Those I mean, those are the two that people normally sit and those are like two little white girls too. Family and you know, like we talked about this a lot when it comes to like family and teen movies specifically, where there's a giant class gap and most teen or family movies don't work if the families are not upper middle class at least, like, yeah, there's a huge gap in representation. And I mean all entertainment, but like family entertainment especially for sure. And then just a couple other ones. There's you know, things like hocus Pocus or The Witches because women be witches. Or there's like princess movies like Beauty the Beasts, Little Mermaid, Little Princess Anastasia because women be princesses. So you know, there's a much like narrower idea of like what female characters are allowed to be at the helm of of a female driven family children family movie whereas like ones that star boys or men are allowed to like you know, be swashbucklers and adventurers and like or athletes, uh you know, all all kinds of different stuff. And again that always goes back to like who is behind the camera, who is working on the movies, because there is not a woman to be found in the like primary production trade for Home Alone, which I'm sure comes as a surprise to basically no one, but you know, it's directed by Chris Columbus, written and produced by John Hughes, who has a socio history on his portrayed all the female characters at all, and this he opts for nothing, uh you know. And and so something that like we try to touch on as well is that, you know, normally, if there's a problem in front of the cameras, because there's also a problem behind it, because like Kevin could very easily have been a girl, like there's nothing, which is kind of a cool thing in the writing too, because he doesn't really strike you as like a kid that is like curdling under toxic masculinity. You know, it could very easily be a little girl what's really kind of sucked up to It's like the thieves at one point don't care about money anymore. Is they're just trying to kill a kid? Right? Okay, can we talk about Joe Pesh Now? Can you tell me about I have a third factory. We I've already told the two of you. Joe Pesci is a fucking method actor on this movie. So he got so into the role that he didn't talk to macauley unless it was the camera was rolling, and he bit his fucking finger to the bone during one of the scenes. Yeah, he got that into the role that he fully chewed his flesh. Oh my gosh, can you I leave Joe PESHI? I thought this was raging bull his Chindler's like I can't. It's it boggles the mind, Like I'm going to get an oscar for this, Like what was he? Like? What is the motivation? Like I feel like every time someone goes method, which I hate, I think it's the most annoying thing. And it's always men, And it's always men who just are already obnoxious and want to be obnoxious and get paid for it. Like it's just anything besides some choice. Daniel tay Lewis. But like, but like the whole documentary about like I'm Jim Carey and I want to be annoying at being You're like, fuck you, fuck you because with I'm like getting lightheaded thinking it makes me yes. But it's like women, It's very hard to find an example of a female actor of any amount of fame going method because there is a huge stigma of women being divas and women acting unprofessional when that is method acting is being unprofessional and being hailed as a fucking genius for it. They hate people. I hate people, but I do think it's really funny that Joe. Well, here's what kills me is that I have Joe Pesci on a pedestal, and now the pedestal has been rocked to the ground and Joe Pesci's on fallen. One other thing is I used to love the idea that Joe Pesci is a singer, but I never heard his music until I was taking a bath before coming to this what I had a full panic attack. He sounds like it's like this, Oh, oh, I love you little Baby. I swear yeah. The song his latest release is called like Little Baby. Where did it come out? In Spotify? He's a singer off a Little Baby. It's like it's like my my little baby. I don't know, it's something with the word baby. Okay, that's from right there. I need to teach a college course on Joe Pesci dissertation. Well, there were times in the movie where I was like finding myself almost on the burglar's side because getting back to the like extreme like wealth and upper middle classness of this movie, I'm like, they should steal from the rich and redistribute their wealth. So I was like, no, this is child I I found it very disturbed. I mean, I know that it's critical for the movie to work, but the amount of like it almost begins to look kinky for them, like how much they love being like just physically they're destroyed, destroyed like would have killed them a million times. They like concussions. They would have died on the steps. I mean, Joe Pecchi has like third degree burns on his head and hand, and he's like, I'm going to steal this VCR if it kills me, it's good. When did I already say that? When he rubs the house before, they don't even care about robbing it. He's looking at a collection. Yeah, it's called baby Girl. It's baby Girl. It's called pay It. It came out, Oh my god, it literally came out last week, the world premiere. We may be the first prepared. Oh goody, the interest very latin. What if I take off all my clothes. I'm wearing like glitter all over my body with a picture of Joe Pesci on my bush? We're now with me. I know what to say, but every chip, what is this? What is it going for? I don't know if I told you, I don't. I don't like him anymore. Oh my god, guys, I'm gonna start jerking off, starting to feel horny? Are you horny? I'm kind of horny. Well, well, before we get like sued for copyright infringement, what if Joe Pesci literally sued us? That would be the best press we've ever gotten. True, that Joe Pesci sues feminist podcast would be a burn for us and keep it going. What if he was backstage and I plotted this whole thing and he's my dad. My name's Tomorrow Peshi. God, that's long time. I Joe Peshi does a good job in this movie? Does he do biting a finger to the own baby girl job? We don't know? Should we talk about Daniel Stern A little bit the other one do you have? He's the narrator. There's the thing about him. He's the narrator for the wonder years. Oh I'm smart, you are thank you every year? A k A. I read a buzz feedway before doing this. That's it about him. Oh yeah, there's not much. He contributed a lot to the Oral History, which indicated to me that he doesn't have anything going on because because it said Joe Pesci couldn't be reached, I know, it's not great something. I mean, this has nothing to do with women or their portrayal. But ei there were some things about this oral History that I thought were interesting or charming. So one thing that so this was one of Chris Columbus is I think one of his maybe one of his first movies that he directed. Previously written Grandmans and the Goonies, so he had a lot of you know, considered eighties classics under his belt. Uh, and then he goes on to be kind of a famous children's movie director, specifically because he directs the first two Harry Potter movies. Anyways, so I guess that he and John Hughes have been trying to work together for a while. Uh, and Chris Columbus almost directed National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, which we will probably cover at some point because it's but then, okay, here's it's just a quote about the time that Chris Columbus met Chevy Chase and was afraid of him. So quote, I went on to dinner with Chevy Chase. To be completely honest, Chevy treated me like dirt, but I stuck it out and even went so far as to shoot a few scenes with him. So basically, he says that chevy Chase verbally abused Chris Columbus into quitting what would have been a huge break in his career when he was like, oh he's Chevy Chase, known for being a dick. Oh yeah, yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, I guess he's just like a vile man. Is a really bad guy. That's I think that's why you got kicked off community too. It's just because he was just such a horror to be around. Is the street chevy Chase named after? I wonder this often? Could that possibly be true? Is there another chevy Chase? Does anyone remember him now? I mean like I think we do, But like what does a teenager know who Chevy chases? It seems impossible. I feel like community like but no, he's on it for a while. How long he's in? Like four? He's forced? Oh wow, he got stands in the front row? Was he in the Three Amigos? He was? Is that movie good? My husband loves people love it and I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I hate that movie so much. Isn't like Donald Duck in that movie? Not to digress too much, Oh, I don't know. You know, there's a different version of the three Now, that's the Three Cabanerros. That's what I'm thinking about and his various friends. Good call. I've recently decided that I think that Donald Duck style nudity is the funniest style. I'm attracted to him. I think that I think that Donald. Yeah, I'm just like you go for it. Just a crop top in like his duck penis. And again it's gender neutral because Daisy does the same thing. Yeah. I love no pants cartoon. Another no pants cartoon is, of course Paddington. Paddington wears a coat, but but it's decent enough to cover most of American cartoons. Their commando. Speaking of Paddington, Kevin's dad is wearing a Paddington like duffle coat throughout the movie. It is it's the wrong color, it's tan, but it otherwise is it's it's Paddington's coat, its different color. All for Molina couldn't play Kevin McAllister, Oh my god, imagine with a blonde wig. Tell me you couldn't do it? Before we devolve into this into the ground, do you just have one actual last point to make sure. And it's just kind of tapping back into the discussion of family movies, especially of this era and even to some extent today, just so much focus on a white nuclear family unit, both parents, hetero, still together, still married, parents with white collar jobs, upper middle class living in suburban America, especially for like holiday movies I focus on like Christian Christmas. I mean, I think it just goes back to the whole like family teen movie thing too, where it's just like so few movies even attempt to address anybody else because it's just like the assumption that that is first the norm, which isn't, and second that that is like the only thing people are interested in seeing, which it isn't. But everyone who makes this movie is from that background, and so they you know, the problem because those are also the people who are privileged enough to like make movies and like have funding to like be in charge of getting movies made and stuff like that. I mean, like even like I lived in like in like a blue collar family, rural you know, like working class family. Um, and I almost never saw myself represented in any family movies when I was growing up. Um, and that like folks with kids, yea one thing I felt. I remember feeling this as a kid when it came out. I was living in Argentina, where I was born, and we were really poor, and I remember being really mad at Kevin for missing the vacation, right the same way. This is a different movie, but the same way I was mad at the Little Mermaid for not enjoying like her sea royalty and wanting to like be sure, you know, missing the concert because I was just like, you have moving and we didn't have money, and I was like, enjoy your fucking trip to Paris. Yeah that's but yeah, yeah they don't. They don't appreciate their wealth when they have it. But stopped playing with like popcorn or whatever he was playing, like go like Hug your parents and be happy. Let's get it together. Jesup, come on. I mean it goes without saying that families of color, poor families, working class families, uh, you know, kids with disabilities, queer kids. I mean still, it's very, very very rare to see. And it's also I think like worth mentioning that when families that are not the ones that you just described are shown, it's often portrayed as tragic or lesser and it's not portrayed and it's and it's that sucks because it's like when you when you grow up in a family that's different than Kevin McAllister's family, you still have fun, you still enjoy, you know, and it's like it's not perfect. It's it's different and there's different setbacks that you can portray in a movie. But it doesn't need to be like sad Violin over. You know, a family that like this is their life, and so it would be it would be good to see more family movies that don't just portray families that are not upper middle class white people. But it's also just like portraying this a is like this is a normal thing, and like this is like families can be very happy. Um, when they're not upper middle class white people living at the suburbs of Chicago, you know for sure. Um. One thing I'll say that I think is a positive for this movie is it's an original story that was because I feel like we're like in this weird age of movies where like original stories getting funding are less and less and less. Everything is franchise and all that ship. But this is an original story that like Super Super paid off, where this movie had an eighteen million dollar budget and it made four hundred seventy six million dollars and they I didn't realize how huge this movie was when it came out, but it's the top grossing movie of nine it out earned good fellows. Take that Pesci. Maybe he was right. Pesci owned Pesci, you know, like he maybe he was right to chew through that finger. How much did Pesci make for Home alone? Oh, good question, bault Park. I'm gonna say, what was the total? Eighteen million? Eighteen million? Yeah? Did Pesci make a million? No? That's crazy, that's too Oh there's a disagreement, gentlemen. I feel like, well, who's the most famous movie person in this movie? At the time. I feel like it's Joe p She because he was in Raging Ball who came first, and like the names that come at the beginning, I can't remember trying to build. I feel like it's about for someone. But this is like before Katherine O'Hara is super super super famous. I think it is. I'm pretty sure she's mainly known for SETV at this point. Let's see No, it just says Joe Pashi. Okay, this is very cryptic. Joe Pesci has earned salaries up to three million, five hundred thousand dollars for his acting. My cousin Vinny was maybe that one. Oh, maybe that was a big one for him. I's psychic. People also ask whatever happened to Joe? He's in the Irishman as we speak. Well, yeah, well, and he just released Baby Girl last week. Honey, true waiting up? People dropping music right now? Um, you have other movie ease? I just have a couple things to say, sure, Um. Now the famous scene in Home Alone when Kevin is standing in front of the mirror, he's talking to himself. He's like, I just took a shower. I washed all my crevices. I used actual soap, I used as he does he says, did I creep black that out? Because he says crevices and I don't like children saying I agree. But he's like talking about all the products he's using. He's like, yeah, use soap, an adult formula shampoo, and then a cream rinse for that just washed shine. And the way to see him, we see him like putting on deodorant and then putting on the aftershave and then he does that. Ah. That scene very closely resembles the scene in American Psycho where Patrick Bateman is like looking at the mirror. He's like, and then I used an almond scrub, and then I use a facial cleanser that doesn't have alcohol because alcohol dize your skin out. And then I use a blah blah blah, and and then he like peels the mask off his face, and it's basically identical. I'm saying that Americans like a ripped off home alone can fully agree, thank you so much. And then there's a very what I think is a very direct reference to Raiders of the Lost Dark when Joe Pesci grabs the door when Alfa Millian and the tarantulas. But there's I'm talking about a different thing. Uh, when Joe Pesci grabs the door knob and then has to stick in his burning and he has to stick his hand in the snow, and then there's the It's like the imprint of the door knob is burned onto his hand and the same thing happens to the Nazi in Raiders of the Lost Dark. Thank you so much. That was really good. Wow, I fully I have a degree Instagram writing I I came across a theory, yes that Kevin is dead? WHOA wait, the said from earlier? Yes, okay, I thought you were about to say Kevin is dead. I thought I want to hear that. Okay. So this is good and it's actually written by feminist icon Aaron Gloria Ryan, I'm a big fan of She wrote this piece two years ago. Says Home Alone is so much better if Kevin McAllister is dead. It's a hot take, but bear with me. I'll read a bit from it. I was compelled quote in the Dead Kevin version of Home Alone, the reason the extended family has gathered in the Winnetka house is that the next day they're going to fly to Paris without Kevin so that they can get a little piece and quiet. Leaving him home was deliberate. No one actually thought Kevin would join them on the trip to Paris, because he is a spirit who's tethered to the house. Kate McAllister is the only person who reacts to forgetting Kevin the way a normal person would to forgetting a child. Her husband Peter, is oddly calm, as our Aunt Leslie and Uncle Frank, who tried to comforicate by telling her that he forgot his reading glasses. Kevin has an aversion to both the third floor of his house and the basement, where a menacing furnace calls his name. It doesn't take a first year Tish student to point out that this pair of aversions represent Kevin's refusal to leave the physical world of his house and ascend or descend heaven or afterlife. What It's Dante's inferno, but home alone. It's incredible. Later, as an emboldened Kevin attempts to leave the edge of his yard for the first time, he is thwarted by old Man Marley, who appears practically out of nowhere and scares Kevin back inside where he's safe. Marley also appears where Kevin ventures past the edge of his yard for the first time the next day, as if to scare him back home again. On the night the band has planned to rob Kevin's house, Marley tries again to keep him safe, trying to teach him old man lessons in a church. And it's old man Marley who is finally able to fill the bandits with his shovel after Kevin leads them through a sea areas of hellish physical ordeals. So okay, the theory goes on. It also says that Joe Pesci and the other guy are immortal, but basically Kevin's a ghost. Marley is his protector that already an angel, his angel that is trying to get him to stay in the house where he's saved and decide to ascend or descend. That's why they don't tell anyone anything happened, because no one's going to believe a ghost, so there's no point in reporting it. But not what it was. Are you sure? Can we be sure? I don't think it's real, but I was. I was, like, my mouth was a gay. But this is insane. It's amazing. I'm glad that someone thought about. It's my favorite fan theory I've ever read. Kevin McAllister is dead. What if everyone in the movie was dead and they were just people dead people come. It's like the last episode of Lost or whatever the funk happens in that what happens that I took a class on that in college? Shut the funk up? Can you believe that whole semester a whole semester of some fucking loser being like it makes sense? And then I was in debt for a decade? Can you believe that I took a semester of don Key xote and I just realized that you could watch the Yale lecture for free online. Oh no, I don't go to college. It's a scam. Okay, I have a master's degree. Anyway, I am in so much. Please join our patreon. Um okay, so uh does anyone have any final thoughts? No, we had more to say than I thought you will, be honest. I thought this would finally be the episode where we just sat out of here. Like it turns out, we talk a lot. It's a feminist masterpiece. I think we have a I think we have a few moments for a couple of questions or comments from the audience. If anyone has anything to contribute to this important discussion that yeah, come on down, we can hear you in the in the mic um. I would just like to point out that there are many adults that failed to realize this kid is like walking around by himself. He goes to the grocery store. The police are like, oh, we tried, we tried knocking, and you know, no one answered, so I guess he's fine. It's like he's eighty, you know, he's in there. One lady comes close, but she doesn't. She's like, are you by yourself? It's when he goes to the supermarket the second time he goes to a church. I have expected him to talk to Why doesn't Marley church alone? Why aren't you a church? Incompetence? Incompetence by all the else, he's the most competent one. I think it only makes sense that he's dead. I mean, and that's I mean, that's a common theme of like children's movies, where it's like the children are so much smarter than the adults. And then this movie also plays into the fantasy of like, yeah, our families suck and we just want to be home alone forever. I'm like, oh, I haven't watched them. We're going to cover it tomorrow. Are there any of the questions? Yeah, I've rewatched it this morning, and um, I just thought it was interesting how John Candy offered to like give her a ride, and him and his poker band like rented a bus, but um, Kate didn't think to rent a bus. She just kept buying over. She didn't think to like rent a car or anything until like a man showed up and was like, no, let me help you. That's very true. Good point. Um, all excuse because I like Katherine O'Hara so much and the character she plays that mom. Sorry, um, I'll excuse that a way of just like her being so frantic over this crisis that's happening in her family that she isn't like using her logical brain as effectively as I would guess that she had already bartered all her jewels. She had no nothing or maybe nothing left on her too. I don't know, but that is that could have that that could have easily been an oversight to just be like, well, we want John Candy in the most obviously, which was a delight. His lines were all improvised. As another fact, if oh interesting, I feel like he's playing the same character he plays in trains, plans and automobiles. He's just like on that journey, he's like, oh yeah, I'll give you a ride. I'm on a bus this time van. So that scene, those scenes with him are not very long, right, But I read in the in the Oral History that I read apparently they had a full twelve hours of shooting with him, and he fully explored a character. I mean, there was a whole Katherine o' harris says in this like Oral History interview she was like, yeah, I just remember it's a really long day. I think that she improvised flashing out her character quite a bit. John Candy created this whole narrative for the Polka Band and they were on hard times but now they're doing better, but they're not as successful as they once were. And it was this whole thing. And then at the end of the day, Chris Columbus was just like, well that was all basically unusable, like kind of like calm down, like you know how they just right. I'm like, but they did. It's somewhere, maybe somewhere that footage is somewhere to get our hands on it. I would love to see a twelve hour cut. Well, speaking of twelve hours, that's about how long it takes to drive from Scranton, Pennsylvania to Chicago, because I did Google map it today. So she was in that same way that van for twelve I mean, and it was snowing, so maybe they had to go slower. I don't know. They stopped for meals properly, bathroom breaks. No, there's no peeing in this movie, No, pep. That's a great back around. That was a call back to the p Matt to TAM's peep pebs. Yes, we have a question in the back most all, there's that whole discussion we're in the movie about the cousin or the son that went to the bed. So your your listeners are gonna be like, no, there's peeing in this movie. You just saved us from being added to death. Thank you, you guys forgot about Kieren Colkins every time. For Karen Golden Peas. That's a huge part about this. I love Twitter so much. It makes sense. Thank you, Thank you for that. That's a great points only one character piece. And Macaulay instead Kevin's dead, the Collocums alive and well and calls Catherine a hair up mom. Yeah. Any other questions are comments Yeah, well go Homer, Yeah, we'll repeat it. So the question is, how do you think we can encourage and support more diversity in film give opportunities to writers, creators, directors, etcetera, any creative minds who have like influence over story and stuff like that. Um, I think it's like and it's a lot of just like demanding it from people who have power right now, where I just dumped on Twitter because everyone you know will point out pepe things. But the great power of of social media is you do have like direct connection to powerful people and to let them know how you feel. And so like there is such a failure of powerful people right now to give opportunities. And there's that mentorship complex that I feel like we've discussed on the show before, where it's like mentors so often are you know, like there's so many like rich white guys in power, and they'll mentor people who remind them of themselves. And it's just encouraging people who have power right now to mentor people who are not just them, to prioritize giving opportunities to people from backgrounds that aren't their own, and to you know, diversify and conversations like this too, because as we're sitting here, I'm like Ship thinking of myself as a kid in Argentina watching this. It's like there's a story to be told in that. I just never thought it was anybody cared, you know, So what we do, we care do And then I think one of the main things that consumers can do because money speaks very loudly in this industry and all industries, but um, make sure you go to see movies in theaters that are created by and star you know, diverse casts, and and look for them too, because they're not marketed as heavily as fucking Joker and Ship like that. Don't yeah, bravely don't see Joker. That's the way to encourage diversity, No, uh no, but I do think it like it is, just like it because people from any sort of marginalized group, their their movies and projects are not prioritized and marketed as heavily as things from you know, the old school, rich white guys. It's like you have to seek it out and support it and you know, support your friends, and it's it's a climb, but it's you know, it's it's getting better slowly slow. Um. Thank you for all your questions. That's a great question. Hey, does this movie pass the backtel test? No, it does not. There are more interactions between women than I expected there to be because I remember none of these. But like Kate McAllister talks to the French airline lady about trying to get on a flight back home, but she is not named, and they don't. The whole context is I have to get back to my and Irene the old lady that she offers all the jewelry to yes, and she is named Yes, But the whole thing is still like, my please, I must get back to my husband. And then her husband comes up and he's like, we're boarding, get on the flight, Irene. And then the mom talks to various of her daughters and I think it's her sister in law, Leslie Um. But again the whole thing is like even though the conversations they're passing like passing on paper, versations like they don't necessarily mention a man's name, but the whole context is still like we have to do these things to get back to Kevin So. And then the mom talks to the female police officer. But again the same thing with a context. So I don't think it passes. It's no, it doesn't pass. I had I have to say one more thing and then while everyone go home. Okay, so one of the sisters, the actor who plays Megan McAlister, she goes on to represent the United States in judo at the Olympics three times. Good for her, I know. I think she actually ends up doing the best. I think she ends up doing better than Macaulay Culkin in many ways. She's remembered for being a judo champion. I just thought that was very impressive. Shout out to her, shout out. We'll never do that, We'll never so far away from being an Olympic judo Does anyone here think they even have a shot? Does anyone do? That's why you're not Megan mcallis um, But yeah, yeah, that does not pass. Let's write it on our nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its representation of women. Oh um, well, I do appreciate, But what's the number? I know, I always don't say the number for until Yeah. I like to give a long prep because she's deciding wh a whole long wrung way I'm going to say one and a half. I think that's pretty fair. I will also say that, and I'm not going to let the audience influence me this time because I also do that every time where like and I'm like, I'm sorry if women don't apologize anymore. I think one and a half because the one female character we get to know is while we really only know who she is as it relates to being a mother, which is a reductive thing. She is, I would say, on par and maybe the second most active character in the stories. She is driving the mission to get home to Kevin. She is not the negligent mother that I feel like history has like remembered her, as she's got a lot on her plate. It appears, even though she'd be more explicit that she may be the breadwinner of this family. She's called stomed as the breadwinner of the family, and she got way more screen time than I thought that, you know, just based on the way this movie have been described to me, So you know, it's the classic you really only get one female character, even though you see others. She's the only active female character. But I liked her, and then it's like, I feel like it's easy to you know, plug yourself into her situation, and she's a very empathetic, active character, which I appreciate it. But then there's only men other than that one and a half one and a half. It's also just an extremely as we've discussed, white movie, an extremely upper class movie. It doesn't give a shit about anyone who does not fit this like idyllic American dream type of family and villainizes the people who are trying to eat the rich. So you know, if you have a hundred dollars for pizza, Yeah, no, it is. It is very of its time in the way is that it portrays families and the way that it portrays the ideal family, and in sort of every regard. Um, sure, yes, I'm gonna give it a nipple and a half. I'm gonna give one to Catherine O'Hara, and then we give half to Kevin because he's dead. Oh, I'm gonna give my one and a half nipple to the tarantula. Tarantula's do have zero nipples, but they have eight legs, and that's tarantula facts. With Caitlin, I love it. Dam What do you think I'm gonna give it two nipples because I have two nipples. All right, that's the entire reasoning. That's the best reasoning I've ever heard. You pee on your floor and you have two nipples. What if we were like this episode has been brought to you by baby Girl by today, I think maybe we can bump it up to two dipples, just strictly because did he name his song baby boy? Feminist icono is prioritizing the representation of women, that's true, but he's also infantilizing them. So that's not what he could be thinking about a baby. That's true. We can't understand that. It's impossible to know what he's saying. Oh he's Scooby doing. We don't know what he's saying. Yeah. True. I hope everyone goes home and listen I write it. Thank you so much for that gift, because I didn't. It was his first release in twenty three years to right now you know, yes, thank you, thank you for sharing that and thank you for being give it up for tim Thank you, Thank you guys for having me. Where can people follow you online? Check out your stuff? Find me on my not job. You know, I'm just kidding. Um. I have a podcast called Ceriso Talk where me and my sister talk about our life as kids and now, and we eat a sausage, a different one every time, except we forget the sausage every time. So that's just the yeah. Um, And I'm online at Dances with Dammy's the worst fucking Twitter name ever. 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