Up In (Fire)Arms: RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or scripted as well. Hey, rain drops, today's episode Reality with the King, Me and my girl are wearing glasses because we got to see all the bullshit that this episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh see that.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to God into my first and foremost. How's it going, electis.

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Speaker 3: Honey, I'm hanging on by a thread. I'm I'm it's the countdowns here. We all know this, and I am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dying.

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Speaker 1: I'm dying.

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Speaker 4: But this on my wedding day. I need sleep.

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Speaker 3: Someone's gonna put me in a bear chamber and just put me to bed for twenty four hours before the wedding.

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Speaker 1: Okay, alas this you look amazed, but please tell me you're at least enjoying the process.

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Speaker 3: I well, okay, if we want me to be honest, I'm not any effing more. No, I was up until now, but it's like I can't sleep.

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Speaker 4: I can't.

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Speaker 3: There's things, there's deadlines and things that I've been four days behind on it. I'm a Capricorn, so I'm mad at myself and I'm like, you know, it's just it now is just it's crunch time. But when it's all done, like I think in like three days, I won't have any more opportunities to worry about anything because it's kind of like, no, it's you're here, so I'll make it through. Carlos, It's okay to good bye. I'll get you every TGIF so we're good, yes tg.

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Speaker 1: I and listen, you're everywhere, including I just saw you on Vicky Gobbles's podcast and it made me scream as I was my bit, like I mean, I usually skimming my bed, but I was sitting for a different reason this time.

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Speaker 3: Because carl was it too early to start with that? Okay, give me, I gotta work up here.

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Speaker 4: Oh my yeah, right in there, I'm saying I have.

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Speaker 2: To pake the picture for my rain drop.

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Speaker 1: So I saw a picture that you were on the podcast. So how was it being on Vickie's podcast. You know, I think she's uh, I think she's everything and and I think she's such a legend. But talk to me about that, Like, Alexis, I feel like this is your season too.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely my season to become Alexis Jansen, so we might as well make it my season for.

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Speaker 4: Right, Like, let's just start there.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, so my thing with my beef with Vicky that okay, spit that out. My beef with Vicky last season or like when I was on on eighteen. I get that she would, you know, she had to defend Shannon and she felt like she had to. I didn't understand it because Vicky and I had a good friendship. She started off, you know, hard on me by saying welcome to my world on you.

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Speaker 4: Know, season eight when I started or no season five.

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Speaker 3: But I you know, we got through all that, and she's funny. She deep doubt she has a good heart, but you know she does forget that she says things because she has gossiped about my husband and me many times. And you know, so I went back in the media on her because I'm like, don't talk about my family.

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Speaker 4: And then it's like, but we're grown women. We can move on. And she doesn't even remember what she said. That's the funniest part. When I did our podcast, She's like, I don't have a problem with John.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, girlfriend, you'p me to rewind what you said last year, But why why do it?

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Speaker 4: Just get over it? It's like, it's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Carlos, you know, but I think she's a hoop And we had a blast doing that.

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Speaker 4: That podcast was so fun.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I listen, I think when it comes to Vicky, who I is an og a lot of times, and listen, I'm talking to you who's been on the show for many seasons as well. I feel like when you're on the show, it's such a social experiment that you say stuff in the moment and you forget about because so many other things happen. So I do believe her that she's like, oh my gosh, I said that. And listen, she's been on the show since season one. But last year when she said those things about you and John, you said that she felt the need that she had to defend Shannon.

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Speaker 2: What Vicky's relationship like with Shannon today?

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Speaker 3: Well, so we did talk a little bit about that She's not really they're not talking a ton, you know. I don't think they're doing that their show anymore. They had that dose of migos or whatever whatever, and so I think that feels it out. And I think I think what Tamara has said before about how, you know, she's made it very public that Shannon doesn't follow up with friends and doesn't you know, kind of ghost people, and so I think the same thing has kind of happened with Vicky.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But Vicky did not bad mouth Shannon or any any of the anything like that.

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Speaker 4: It was just it kind of fizzled out.

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Speaker 3: But also Vicky has a space where she moves past things. Also she doesn't hold grudges and I so it's like, okay, we can laugh. And it felt so good to be back around her again because I haven't seen her in two or three years, and you know, it's like we were close. Like she flew on the private jet that everyone makes fun of when I took went to Jim. I threw Jim a big fiftieth birthday and I rented a private jet to get us there. She flew on that private jet that went that was the viral thing that Tramer and I were.

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Speaker 4: Making fun of it because at the reunion it was like.

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Speaker 3: You flew on the private jet, you know, if it was funny, and so we re enacted it, you know, a decade later. But that's how close Vicky and I were, Like we were friends, like real friends, and you know, time and going through my divorce, I was I was lost for a long time.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it felt.

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Speaker 3: Good to get back to holding her hand and like and hugging and doing a hug and it felt real. It didn't feel like we were either us we're faking it. So yeah, all my all good, all good fields.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you have gotten it off your chest. So now let's go on business.

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Speaker 2: That was good.

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Speaker 4: You needed to say.

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Speaker 2: That left your down to business.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm full of surprises, but not like Slade pretended to be surprised.

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Speaker 2: But Gretchen brought up in this episode the conference.

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Speaker 1: For those who are listening, and I'm watching this on YouTube, Alexa Roller, Alexis, I haven't even brought up with the conversation. Girl, you're over it. But and she's like barfing. Okay, So Slade, who went to the Tom Hanks School of Acting, decided to pretend he had no idea that Gretchen was going to bring up this conversation about how the girls forced her to bring up Tamras singing and how she didn't want to do it. They took it out of proportion. Slave said things like, look, he doesn't think Tamar's a good person.

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Speaker 2: She can't forgive and I'm like pot kettle black.

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Speaker 1: And then Gretchen admitsed that Tamra's past comments about housewife singing is what made her, fourteen seventeen years later bring up this song that Tamra sang.

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Speaker 2: This to me was listed.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of like a bad rom pom that was canceled by ABC where and not by the FCC. But to me, it was sort of like, you two are the worst actors that I've ever seen in my life because you are not telling the truth, and you too are realizing that talking about Tamra is going to get you hot water. But what if you think of as alexis am I like the only person who believed that these two were acting in the scene.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you nailed all of it so well.

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Speaker 3: Like I could just say, yep, everything he said, so, but I do, I'll give this piece of information or whatever. But I it's like, I feel like the whole that Gretchen's digging keeps getting deeper and deeper. She's not crawling out at all, and her story's never aliging that they never make sense because even right after, of course, she was naked wasted a second time on season nineteen or yeah so, but her slippery mouth, she did not even remember how the whole thing transpired, but we as viewers saw the whole thing transpire. And she's trying to say, oh, the girls brought up the singing or Gretcha brought.

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Speaker 4: Up the whole thing, and you could tell she could not wait to.

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Speaker 3: Give that information and to call Slade and have the information, you know, proven by Slade. It backfired. I think they thought the audience would be like, good job, yay, this is awesome. Take Tamra down it back by or how many syllables is that?

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Speaker 4: Riding fort with it backfired people.

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Speaker 1: It backfired like Gretchen's comeback, and which makes me sad because I remember when the announcement was made that gretch was coming back. I was like, yay, I was so happy for it. I'm a Gretchen fan based on her earlier days on the show. Tamra was so funny. She posted the comeback announcement and say yay, my best friend is back, which showed me that Tamra knew, like, Okay, I know what it's about to give I listen the Sonny and Share Bravo, which is Slade and Gretchen. It's just a bad variety show going wrong because they really thought the audience wanted to see them take down Tamra and listen. I will say this based on what the audience was saying about Tampa last season, I at least could understand that. I think where they went wrong with the Alexis is the fact that the stuff they're bringing up is by their own demise. Like they're the ones breaking it up. They're the ones who decided to buy a pamphlet at office depot and write down all the things tamaraked in the past seventeen years that they wanted to bring up on the show. And it's just not working for me, and it's bad. It's so bad that, hey, Tamra, the audience now on social media they're on your side, sister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I feel like if things would have happened on this season that showed Tamra was bad and wrong, the audience would have been on Gretchran's side and been like, yep, see, Tamra is a bad one. Is that the fact that you're pulling things out and wiping cobwebs off of stuff that grown women that now have children and children in college are still doing is like, wake up, Like, don't you don't need to bring up fourteen years ago. You know, I get it if if you had an affair, I mean, people, you don't get over an affair like okay, But this kind of stuff that's happening is is like it's just and you can tell you know, Slade threw himself under the bus on this one Carlos when they were sitting on the couch and he said, I am still bitter about this. You can see bitterness all over Gretchen and Slade, sorry to say, and bitterness and unforgiveness and not moving on destroys you, not the other person. It's not going to destroy Tamra. It's eating at Gretchen and Slade, and unfortunately they can't let go. And that's why it's it's becoming such a train wreck for them, Like that's the reason.

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Speaker 4: And it stinks like.

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Speaker 3: If they could just I wish that they could have seen this earlier, so maybe they could even have stopped halfway through the season and just kind of like let it go, because, like you, I think Gretchen would have been a great addition.

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Speaker 4: I just think she's she's not she's too costumish, she's trying too hard.

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Speaker 3: She's got a producer that's not you know, he didn't get credentials to do that, and and so it's all flopping.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is, it really is, and it's so it's so unfortunate because Slade is such a staple when you think about the legacy of OC just based.

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Speaker 2: On him dating Laurie Joe, being married to Joe.

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Speaker 4: He was an idiot from day one though. Everybody called him slave from day one, and they were right.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't even think that at first. I didn't believe it at first, but now and then the whole Michelin thing where he did that with Haamer, I even forgot about that. And I was so disgusted back then when he did that whole act, you know, with and then points her out and shows the cellulite that us women do get through carrying your children. Thank you very much, you know, it's it's life. And by the way, she's got zero cell you like now. But I'm just sitting there going. Have you looked in the mirror yet?

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Speaker 4: Dad?

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Speaker 3: Bod, Like, why are you complaining about other people when you ain't got Carlos King's six pack.

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Speaker 4: It's irritating. Whole thing's irritating. They need to go. They need to just go, shut their door and pray some more. Carlo's speechless.

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Speaker 2: Before Now you.

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Speaker 4: Can cut you, Carlos.

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Speaker 3: You can crack on people, Okay, John Janssen can crack on people because that man has a washboard tummy. But you cannot crack on people and be that mean when.

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Speaker 4: You I'm just kidding. You know this is all a joke. You shouldn't crack on anybody. But it's just our Michelin girl. Okay, no.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, no honey, I'll be sorry for me. I'll have to.

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Speaker 3: Go to the confessionals after this and ask my pastor to forgive me.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, don't forget Tambra has potential from that too. So if you guys remember the whole season, this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. I do want to get into Listen. You and I both love personal story when it comes to these reality shows. The thing with Jen and her daughter, and obviously you're about to get married yourself, you have children.

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Speaker 2: In this scene, Jennifer tells her daughter like, you're my.

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Speaker 1: Best friend and I'm marrying my best friend too, and how I want you in the wedding, and it just listen. I know that Jing is a hard time from the audience right now, but I've said this once.

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Speaker 2: I said before, I love Jen. I think Jen's a great addition to the show.

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Speaker 1: I love her her honesty when it comes to what she's going through her family, and the fact that she was so real saying that she felt like a failure because her marriage didn't work, and how her daughter, I'm getting chills thinking about it, Alexis seriously, how her daughter in the confessional next to her was like, I don't see you as a failure though.

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Speaker 2: And one thing I will.

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Speaker 1: Always say is the way you could tell a parent as a good mom or dad is through the eyes of their children, because when a girl as that is in that teen years honey, they hate everybody. So the fact that her daughter was like, Mama, love you, I got your back, and you know, I think you're great shows everybody that Gent's a great mom.

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't wait to talk to you about this because I felt like you could relate to that scene as well, just based on everything you went through and everything about to go through with marrying John.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love this episode a couple of the I hated the episode for some things, but I loved the episode for some things, which is what the show's supposed to do.

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Speaker 4: So good job Rob. A run of applause for that.

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Speaker 3: But I loved the scene with Tammer and her daughter because you saw. I got tears in my eyes on that scene because I've gone through that.

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Speaker 4: You know, my kid went to college.

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Speaker 3: I'm about to be an empty net Well I'm not really because now Myles is going to live here for another four years, but which is good for me. But I had that feeling of, oh my gosh, I'm almost an empty nester, which is a really hard feeling when you're a stay at home mom and you weres hands on of a mom as I am. But so I got tears with that scene. And then it went to Jen Sein or whatever and the scene with her daughter got tears again.

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Speaker 4: And I loved.

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Speaker 3: Both of those scenes because it showed how great of both of moms are.

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Speaker 4: It showed how great both kids are.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm marrying John and the only people in our wedding party are our children. His children are walking him down the aisle and my children are walking me down. So and we're not really having an aisle just so you know. So we're doing a weird you'll.

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Speaker 4: Find out after. I can't give too much away, but anyways, the way we're doing.

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Speaker 3: Doing it, it's okay, here's John and his kids presenting John. Here's me and my kids presenting my kids presenting me kind of thing, you know. And so and they're sitting separate from everyone else because they're not standing up with us, but they're you know, we have a whole new whole division that we're doing. And so I did get teary eyed, and I thought, you know what they are the kids are your most important thing in the world, like that is, and to bring that into a wedding, like Miles's words, when he first found out John proposed, he was like, oh, my gosh, I've never been to a wedding.

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Speaker 4: My first wedding is going to be my mom's wedding.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just thought that is so cool because James and Kenna have both gone to other weddings with me, like you know, other times, but Miles hadn't. So he's just it's just it's going to be a really special day and I am so I think that's so special for Jen. I'm happy for them, and that's beautiful. It was a beautiful scene. I love that you and I've been you and I've said it needs to get back to some of the real and people like to see a life that they can relate to, not just all the fighting.

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Speaker 4: Well, there you go. We got that, Carlos. So you and I went to bed happy last night, didn't we?

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Speaker 2: We did? We did?

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Speaker 1: No, Listen, it was well, I was unhappy for the reasons, but no, I went to be happy.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Let's stay in the positive moment for one second.

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Speaker 1: Carlos, Okay, little look as I as I like says everything, Well, stay in the positive for this moment.

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Speaker 2: It was I just listen. My heart goes out to Gin her, her daughter.

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Speaker 1: Words and the emotions and because the thing is this, I can't imagine what you women have to go through when you are and listen. I was raised by both parents in the household I know that's rare, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm a lucky guy for that.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine as a woman, a wife and a mom who decides to, you know, get remarried and what that means for your children. Because when it comes to kids, I always say this, Every child's first love is their mother. It's literally because it's literally if you guys think about it, It's the first person you meet when you're brought to the world.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's the first voice you hear because you're in your mom's tummy. So and I know, doctor say, the kids hear it, and they can hear you and they feel you.

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Speaker 4: So you are a part of your mom. I know you're a part of the dad too.

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Speaker 3: But women are lucky because we get that, We get that gift to be able to carry a baby and have that bond.

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Speaker 4: So moms are the first love for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and moms listen, I will I will go down you know, saying this in terms of like go down the road and really stand up for women when I say this, this world cannot operate without women, and most importantly, this world cannot operate without good mothers. And shout out to you Alexis Bilino for all this stuff you have to endure to be in this one book place you're at right now. I'm so happy for you, and I'm happy that Jen decided to say, look, this wasn't working out for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do what's best for me. Because at the end of the.

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Speaker 1: Day, at the end of the day, kids are happier when their mother is happiest, the happiest so.

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Speaker 3: And it's and you need to put your kids in an environment that teaches them healthy relationships because if they see a relationship where a man or a woman is not treating the other one appropriately, you don't want that becoming a part of their who they are. And they think that's okay in the world to do that. So it's good to get out. It's good to find a healthy relationship. And my children had you know, I was worried about that. You know, I was engaged before John, which I know this is not a shocker to everyone. I mean people knew this, but and we never planned a date or never set a date or anything.

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Speaker 4: But then when I.

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Speaker 3: Met John and we got engaged and we put a date on the books, I did have the sit down with my kids and I.

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Speaker 4: Said, what do you feel do you approve of him? Number one? Do are you okay with this? And what if I changed my last name?

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Speaker 3: Like I had all the hard talks, right and you know, I think if I would have been with someone that they didn't like or they saw was not good for me, they would have told me because they said, Mom, he's the best thing that's ever happened to you.

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Speaker 4: He was, he was meant for you.

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Speaker 3: We want, we are we we completely are on board and happy for you guys. And yes, we're excited to have him be our stepdad. That is the words Mom needs to hear, because that's like that really, you know. And John had the same talk with his kids, so you know, it's really important because you are marrying the entire family, you know. But jin's the good part about gen is the kids are already living with him and with Ryan and hersh So that's good because they've already tested the waters.

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Speaker 4: They already know that it works. So and the kids seem happy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't take away the.

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Speaker 3: Fact that when you're marrying someone new, like her daughter, when you saw her every like get emotional about it. It doesn't take away the fact that you know they are coming from a broken family, so now they are going.

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Speaker 4: To have a step dad. It's not easy to have a broken family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I can't imagine. I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, these scenes are relatable and we want to see more of that. So shout out to the producers for making sure we got a chance to see that. Now it's all about the mess girl because everything with Downhill's sister. So Gretch had decided to have an event and she wanted to prank some people.

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Speaker 2: Now, Alexis, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: That prank scared the shit out of me and I would have punched somebody in their face. So rain drops, Gretch had decided to prank the arrivals. In one car, we had Gina and Tam run. The other car it was Shannon and Jen. This guy walks up to the car demanding money. They say, don't have any cash, and then he.

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Speaker 2: Got breast.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a black man from the Troy Bush Kid. I won't have knocked him out. You can't pull this shit on everybody.

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Speaker 2: I listen.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, it was hilarious, but I gotta be honest with you, Alexis On the other hand, I'm like, this cannot work in Atlanta, Alata housewise. Let me tell you some I think the state of Georgia is a gun carrying state. Somebody got shot the same girlfriend.

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Speaker 4: I would have freaked. I I would have crapped my pants.

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Speaker 3: I would have I don't know, Like that was the scariest thing ever. And I like you, Carlos, I don't know if I would have frozen up like Shannon. I don't know if that would be my because you don't know until you're in the situation. No, I don't know if I would have frozen up, or if I would have jumped on the driver's lap and driven the car.

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Speaker 4: Off myself, Like I would have been, like, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: How tight this wheel is, I am squeezing in and we are off, babe, Like I I don't know what I would have done so and or hit him, like you could have just like dunked him in the eyes, you know, like done one of those fast moves that people teach you, or try to hit his throat, but then what if you grab your arm and then.

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Speaker 4: You're stuck with ugh.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing was just like I was like, if that were me, I would have walked in just like the other girls and been like, Okay, I hate you for this right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Or I'd have been like Tamra, like I'm gonna see because I had a heart attack. But if I suggretch it, I'm getting grocery bags and a face to app subscription, which.

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Speaker 4: I'd like, come up with this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was. I know, I got admit that was that was that was pretty funny. But I'm like you, I just listen.

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Speaker 1: What was so funny to me is the fact that Shannon, to me always sort of goes from zero to one hundred if you say the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: And we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was so hilarious that in this particular situation where you have every right to go from zero to one hundred, she went from zero too.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, she went from zero to negative too. She was like she was like even more energen jan and then all of a sudden she's like, okay, what are you doing? And I don't have any cash? Like like she didn't exactly opposite.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, girlfriend, this is where you really cut somebody out.

00:26:23
Speaker 2: But that's what's gonna happen to you until you're in that moment.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of which, Shannah decided to tell the ladies about what happened in the previous episode where she.

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Speaker 2: Brought up what she was going through.

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Speaker 1: And how she said that Tama pretty much called her father an alcoholic. I love the fact that Gina's like, now, look, Tampa did not actually say that. She said, did your father have a problem or history with alcohol?

00:26:55
Speaker 2: Which Shannah's like, pretty much the same thing.

00:26:57
Speaker 1: And she also said, like my reaction it would have been the same if Emily or Heather would have said it. I have to disagree, I think again, And we'll get to what happened between Tamara and Gretschen. We mentioned this last episode, and to me, it's just I think I just feel the same way in terms of look, Vicky said it to you that in so many words, that her and Shannon aren't in the greatest place that they used to be because Shannon doesn't really contact people unless she needs them, and that's what happened with Shannon and Tamara. And I know people are like, oh my god, p Frollows, you always have Tamra's back.

00:27:39
Speaker 2: I actually just am honest. Shannon just doesn't want.

00:27:43
Speaker 1: To be friends with Tamara, and it was self evident in the way she sort of recapped the story and put some hot sauce on it by saying that, oh, she called my father an alcoholic, which to me is vastly different than saying, didn't your father have a history of alcohol? I was and I was really pleased that Gina corrected her and had her back because I felt like, yes, this is what should have happened.

00:28:10
Speaker 2: I was happy that somebody did it. What did you think about that?

00:28:14
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:28:14
Speaker 3: And I don't you know, I don't think Tamara had an old place. And you know, I will call her out too, and I have to call her sometimes after these podcasts and say, Okay, this is what just happened.

00:28:23
Speaker 4: But you know, I love you and we move on, you know.

00:28:26
Speaker 3: But first of all, I don't I don't think Tamra wants to be friends with Shannon again.

00:28:31
Speaker 4: I think Tamra's trying to do her job.

00:28:33
Speaker 3: I think tamer knows if we're on a TV show, we have to be able to film together, we have to be able to co exist together, and we can't carry all these grudges. Doesn't mean I'm gonna call you it for coffee doesn't mean we're gonna be best buddies again. But I'm here to do a job, and that's that's the truth about a reality TV show. You are there to put entertainment in front of American viewers to get the ratings to keep the show on the network.

00:28:55
Speaker 4: Okay, that's played and simple. That's your job.

00:28:59
Speaker 3: So so moving forward from that though, I don't feel like Tamara had a bad heart at that moment, and I would have I would not side with her on that, and I would say, like I told you, I wouldn't have said it, or like last episode the last podcast, I said, I wouldn't said what Tammer said. I feel the same way here. I wouldn't have said what Tammer just said. But I don't think she has a bad place with that. When Gina was right about that, it was it was just to relate and just to kind of say, look, Shannon, you're not the only one.

00:29:25
Speaker 4: I think Tamra's and I.

00:29:26
Speaker 3: Haven't talked to tamer about this, but I think Tammer's only reason for even saying that was like, look, you're you. You inherited an issue that your dad had kind of thing like kind of trying to relate it like, look at you're not You're not here in this, You're not alone in this like like and again that backfired on her, but you know, this show had a lot of backfiring going on. But yeah, so I don't think her. I think Gina was right, and I'm glad that someone did see another side to that.

00:29:51
Speaker 4: For sure.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: I think too. I did too, and now was happy she's set up for her.

00:29:56
Speaker 1: And as all the girls were congregating to the table is when Emily listen.

00:30:02
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, Emily's doing her job.

00:30:04
Speaker 1: Emily's job was to take the bone that Gretchen gave her in last week's episode about this song.

00:30:13
Speaker 2: Which is why rain Drops.

00:30:15
Speaker 1: Gretchen knew she fucked up because she knew, oh my gosh, this is going to get back to Tamra. I had a fireball shot. I don't know exactly what I said. I don't remember it. And that's why she pleaded rain Drops with Emily and Heather do not bring it up to Tamra.

00:30:30
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's going to happen.

00:30:33
Speaker 1: Mita, Alexis knew in this episode that it wasn't going to happen.

00:30:38
Speaker 3: Can I make the most obvious statement. Ever, even if it didn't get brought up in it's a freaking show, Tamarra would have seen it today yesterday when it aired. It was gonna be seen no matter what because there are cameras there, So it doesn't matter. Even if Heather and Emily didn't go back and tell Tamra anything, it was going to come out on now national television. And it's not like it would have been any better because the reunion's not filmed yet, so it would have been brought up there three so all of it. You know, Yeah, Gretchen was just trying to back puddle and she wanted to play the innocent victim like I didn't mean to I was.

00:31:12
Speaker 4: It was just supposed to be an all good sleepover fun.

00:31:14
Speaker 3: There's nothing fun about that. You're trying to tear someone down. It's not oh my gosh, let me tell you. When I was at Lucy's last night, she farted so loud.

00:31:21
Speaker 4: It's not like that.

00:31:22
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like this girl sang a song and sounded like crap, and she had an affair with the famous singer that she was singing with.

00:31:29
Speaker 4: Okay, there's nothing innocent about that.

00:31:34
Speaker 2: Well, Let's be clear. If it's not Nick Lache, I'm not fucking anybody by the age degrees. That's all I have.

00:31:39
Speaker 4: To say, Nick, Nick, did you hear that?

00:31:43
Speaker 3: In case you wanted to just go the other way, like a change your you know your sexuality in any level, you got the.

00:31:51
Speaker 2: Pack right here ready for you.

00:31:52
Speaker 4: Nick.

00:31:53
Speaker 2: Was anybody in sick?

00:31:57
Speaker 1: I'm not in stig ball and see I have at least two, but that's another conversation.

00:32:02
Speaker 2: But not Jim degrees.

00:32:04
Speaker 1: It's kind of slip picking mache or sort of like maybe dabble Jessica Simpson. But what was think for me in this whole dietrap is what she said it was.

00:32:19
Speaker 2: It was funny to me.

00:32:21
Speaker 1: And this is why I want the rain Jobs to really pay attention to the behavior of Gretchen. When Gretchen feels like she's in the right, she has this confidence because her producer Slade is her hypeman and and and she's ready, willing and able to go on the attack. I thought it was very interesting that in this particular setting, it's what Alexis called out. She's docile, she's a step for why she's so calm, She's like, you know, not trying to like even address it tam or Judge love her, hate her, and this is not be being biased. This is why she is the longest running housewife of all time because the fact alexis when Tamar brought it up, got up out of her seat to sit across from her opponent. That's the type of shit I want to see from Tamra Judge face to faith with Gretchen. Gretchen did not realize that this was going to be the Tamra show, and Tamra let her ass hait during these conversations Gretchen's life would do you you don't want me to go there? Because I can go there. Tama's like, I'm begging you to go there. Say it, Say whatever it is you want to say. And even the confessional, which, by the way, producer, you were not right for asking this question. You got it wrong when you ask Gretchen, what does Tama not want you to say? No, Tama's actually begging her to say it. She wants her to say it, like what say, please tell me, Oh, you don't want me to go there? No discrettion, No.

00:34:05
Speaker 4: Discrettion, didn't say a word right.

00:34:07
Speaker 3: And do you notice how she's wanted to throw everything out about Tamra all along on the show, and you could see it in Gretchen's eyes. Her eyes turned, her eyes turn evil or she gets like this like frown like when she's ready to she's so excited to unleash something on tamor I watched it. I watched the episode, and I watched her eyes change.

00:34:24
Speaker 4: And so she goes from this innocent Stepford wife to then all of a sudden, she sat there and she's like, well, crap, I don't really have anything, So what am I gonna do? Next question? So she goes next question?

00:34:33
Speaker 3: She doesn't have anything on Tamorra or don't she would be wheeling out that that that rolladex of stuff and say hey, okay, well We've got this and then I've got this and then I've got this.

00:34:42
Speaker 4: It all be out there. There was nothing, There's nothing.

00:34:45
Speaker 3: She froze because she knows she doesn't have anything else to say on Tamorra and if she wants to say it doesn't matter, tam will prove you wrong.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, no, it was. It was.

00:34:55
Speaker 1: It was great because the thing is this when Tamara said, no, fact, you were fucking another guy. While you were dating your ex and you kissed him at the hotel. I saw it, and and you're you're not even ready enough to like admit to that, like tamer came with her receipts, and even still, Gretchen, who had every right at that point to literally put everything on the table, literally on the table, to say what she had to say, she neglected to do so. So Rain Joss, when that happens, I've been producing for twenty years. When that happens, alexis right, it means that Gretchen had nothing. Because my thing is this, if you're alleging I'm sucking gout, dick, shout out to Lisa Marlow. If you're alleging that I'm in the studio either sucking or fucking and and.

00:35:54
Speaker 2: You're and you're letting the.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: World know that at that point, say anything, because to me, it doesn't get worse than a legend had an affair with a ninety eight degrees member who is not Nickolasche.

00:36:10
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, if there was anything more, she would have done it right then, because she does. It's the tear down Tamera train. I told you that that's what the season is for. Diretchen Enslade. I think Slade has more hate for Gretchen than for Tamera than Gretchen even has, if that's possible. But yeah, it's the teardown Tamera train and it's backfiring, and I wish Gretchen would bring it out, put it out on Instagram, put it out somewhere, give it to a tabloid. Let's hear all this dirt you've got on Tamra, Tammy, Sue ain't scared and Gretchen.

00:36:45
Speaker 1: This is for Gretchen and Rossi. So Ray John, let her know we're saying this. Alexens, Butlina and I are inviting you to come on Reality with the King and you can tell us the things.

00:36:58
Speaker 2: You know, because we are fair balance journalist. So listen, better offer her, We.

00:37:04
Speaker 3: Better offer her some kind of compensation. She would never come on for three from so we got to give her something.

00:37:13
Speaker 2: Binding you are.

00:37:14
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Carlos King and Alexis Alino interviewing Gretcha Rossi, Oh.

00:37:18
Speaker 3: Honey, she she she would not come on if.

00:37:22
Speaker 1: She was.

00:37:24
Speaker 2: Well.

00:37:25
Speaker 1: Listen the offers out there, because I want to see I want.

00:37:28
Speaker 2: To see Alexis do an interview this would this would make.

00:37:32
Speaker 4: Oh, I would tear her apart, Honey, I will.

00:37:35
Speaker 3: I would eat that girl alive and then and then put a cherry on top of her next costume.

00:37:49
Speaker 4: I got Jesus on my side, baby for real.

00:37:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? And John, Okay, so you're absolutely right. First of all, I think about this. You're right.

00:38:01
Speaker 1: I do believe Slade hates Tamra woman Gretchen, and I'm about further. I don't think Gretchen hates Hamra. Something that maybe honest, something you said gave me aha moment when Slade said, out of his own mouth, I'm still.

00:38:20
Speaker 3: Bitter, and you could see it in his eyes, Carlos, you could tell see I watched people's eyes.

00:38:25
Speaker 4: You could see it on him.

00:38:27
Speaker 3: He got he had this rage, like he got this rage behind him, and then he tried to act like I'm trying to be a better person. They're put on this whole correct Christian thing that I'm trying to be a better person. But then you could see his anger about things that happened twelve years ago.

00:38:41
Speaker 4: You're right, it's he's he said those words.

00:38:43
Speaker 3: That's why I told you he threw himself under the what is it called threw him under itself, under the bus or whatever it was.

00:38:48
Speaker 1: The Yeah, so let let's continue with Alexis Blino's method of thoughts. We saw in the eyes that Slade when he said I'm still bitter. It was honestly the most factual thing he said to me this season. If you go back to how Gretchen was at the top of the season, when Gretchen and Tama were in New Orleans and they had that nice moment at the park where she said, I never said that thing.

00:39:16
Speaker 2: Kat's a liar and she cried. That was a very different Gretchen.

00:39:21
Speaker 1: And then moments later when she's back at her hotel after speaking to Slade, a different Gretchen showed up, who was still mad at Tamra. I am now on Alexis side. It all just hit me. Gretchen doesn't hate Tamara. Slade does.

00:39:42
Speaker 3: And because you're the one that called out that Slade is her producer and you called that out, three podcasts to go. So there you go, Carlos, we put on our detective cat on this. We got NBC date line going right now.

00:39:56
Speaker 1: There you go, fuck TMZ, we got ka okay, so you're this is good Gretchen is a pawn in the beat that Slade still has with Tamra. And that's why Gretchen felt so bad about the song thing, because she's realizing, I'm being forced to bring this up because my man wants me to take down Tamra.

00:40:24
Speaker 4: This is all brilliant. This is brilliant.

00:40:28
Speaker 2: Rain Joffs.

00:40:29
Speaker 1: You heard it here first. And that's the reason why, like Alexis points it out, when Tamra said, say everything you have on me, say it now, Gretchen had nothing because she didn't get more info from Slade.

00:40:43
Speaker 3: Yep, she needs she needs more. Mike, Mike drop again. Okay, good job, Carlos, You're right, she needs more. And so now who knows what's gonna happen because next episode, maybe something more is gonna happen and we'll find out more lies that the Slade thinks he knows about Tamara.

00:40:59
Speaker 4: But you know, I.

00:41:00
Speaker 3: Think Tara was so confident in that moment when she said, bring it all.

00:41:04
Speaker 4: I'm an open book.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: I'm an open book, bring it all. That is someone who's saying, I'm not scared. There's nothing no matter what you've said. She's she's done everything on.

00:41:16
Speaker 4: Dash and television. She's she's Tamra has she's she's ruined her reputation and she's built it back up than the next season she's hated, the next season she's liked. Doesn't matter. She makes good TV if she doesn't have anything to hide.

00:41:28
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would love to hear more of these rumors or whatever, any of the stuff Slade has in his ruleodex on Tamra. And you're right, he didn't have enough time to tell Gretchen and give her anything, but he did before the next confessional though.

00:41:42
Speaker 4: That's the thing. He had plenty of time. So Carlos, there is nothing else on Tamorra because he had plenty of time to coach Gretchen Moore and give her more stuff to say about Camra by the time Gretchen went back in for that next confessional and that question got asked and she had nothing to say.

00:41:58
Speaker 1: No, because they you was all of their arsenal already. It was the allegation that she was ruffie, that Gretchen was ruffie. That was that was the biggest bond that they had. And number two, it was this song and the fact that they have a tape of her being intimate with the guy in the studio.

00:42:16
Speaker 2: That's all they got. That that's all they had.

00:42:19
Speaker 1: And again, those are two very serious allegations. So they played their hands very early in the season, and there's nothing more.

00:42:28
Speaker 2: To talk about. I think that.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: Girlfriend, don't play the game if you just don't know how to win, and that's what's happening. So listen, I'm with Tamra leaving. I was with her leaving again because it's sort of like, if I'm Tamra and this woman is using her comeback to accuse me of the most dangerous, gamous things, I would have had enough to like. I just there's nothing more I can stomach because it's sort of like her comeback is strictly to embarrass me and to make up stuff. If she's talking about things I've done, let's talk about it. Like Alex said this season, if I did anything this season.

00:43:12
Speaker 2: To you, let's go to town.

00:43:15
Speaker 1: Tamra just did nothing to Gretchen this season, and if you guys are watching the same show, you would see that.

00:43:21
Speaker 3: And Gina made the point she goes Gretchen. I was with tamer didn't mention your name one time on the entire Girl's Weekend that I had with Tamra, So why are you talking about Tamara on your Girl's Night, Like like Gina is the one that made that point.

00:43:36
Speaker 4: And I told you that too.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: I said, if you note last podcast we did, I said, if you notice Tamra's not bringing Gretchen's name up, it's literally Gretchen just can't keep Tamra's name out of her mouth.

00:43:47
Speaker 4: So and I didn't believe. I'm gonna tell you something. I didn't believe Tamar.

00:43:51
Speaker 3: When she said when she found Gretchen was coming back, she was like, she's literally.

00:43:55
Speaker 4: Gonna keep doing what she's been doing to me for twelve years. And I said, what do you mean?

00:43:58
Speaker 3: And she goes, She's just gonna keep trying to bring up lies. I said, Tarma, you just take them, just take it. You know it's not they're not gonna stick, They're whatever. But I didn't believe when Tama said that. I'm like, Gretchen's not gonna do that. She's not that stupid, you know, like she's gonna come out and try to want it, especially if what happened to me last season, it looked like I wanted to tear Shannon down.

00:44:15
Speaker 4: And I didn't want to. It's like, learn from what I have had happened. You know.

00:44:18
Speaker 3: I wish I think she should have taken that playbook and learned from it. But you know, I didn't believe Tamara. And then now as I'm watching each episode unfold, I'm just like, gosh, Tama was so right, you know, and I can tell Tamara.

00:44:29
Speaker 4: SOID she's not gonna do that. She's not gonna do that, Tamara. Just go in and do your show, do your thing. You're you're good at it, you know what you're doing. And she was. Tama was right.

00:44:39
Speaker 2: Tama was right.

00:44:40
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, there's nothing left to say after that. So rain Drops, let us know who sigh you're on? Let us know the comments, okay.

00:44:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, for next podcast, so we can tell, oh, I won't see you next week.

00:44:55
Speaker 2: And I know, I know, I know, I know. I know you're busy. You're busy, busy. However, however, however, however, however, I do want to know that.

00:45:03
Speaker 3: I want to know this poll though, So you have the Raindrops, leave that pole. I want to know who signed there on that's a good one, will.

00:45:08
Speaker 1: I will leave the poll for you, So, rain Jobs, who's startling you on camera or Gretchen let me know the comments on Spotify from Apple, in addition to Twitter and hashtag Reality with the King alections Melino, I love you, I'll see you in two weeks, have a great couple of weeks, and I love you.

00:45:29
Speaker 4: I love you too.

00:45:30
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00:45:42
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00:45:44
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