The Outsiders (1983) vs. Rumble Fish (1983): Part 1

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious podcast. I am here with a man about town.
<v Speaker 1>I am here with an explore revolutionary. I am here
<v Speaker 1>with the guy who has been to the places that
<v Speaker 1>you haven't. I'm here with my co host, mister Jason Colvin.
<v Speaker 1>How you doing, man, I'm doing well. How you doing?
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great? So Jason, it was yesterday, it was yesterday.
<v Speaker 1>It was yesterday. Jason is calling me to go, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>I'm in this place that's got a sign on the
<v Speaker 1>wall that says rumblefish happened here. Do you remember the scene? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, uh, can you FaceTime me? And
<v Speaker 1>so we facetimed and I'm looking and I'm like, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's where he gets mugged and you're like, what happened now?
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, he gets hitting the head with
<v Speaker 1>the crowbar and you're like, I'm sorry, I don't remember
<v Speaker 1>that part. I'm like, okay, you'll get this. It's where
<v Speaker 1>Bob from Batman shows up and you're like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's that's right, Bob my number one a guy. So
<v Speaker 1>you just got to know how to speak the language.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's the key here, right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>So yesterday I spent about five or six hours roaming
<v Speaker 2>the area around Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I went to as
<v Speaker 2>many sites as I could for the Outsiders and Rubblefish,
<v Speaker 2>and I had a unbelievable time doing it. Met some
<v Speaker 2>great people that I want to throw shout out to. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So I went into a shop in Sepulpa, Oklahoma, and
<v Speaker 2>Supulpa is where they shot a lot of the scenes
<v Speaker 2>from Rubblefish. So I go into a shop and I ask.
<v Speaker 1>An older gentleman.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, hey, man, I know this is a weird question,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm walking in out of the blue, but do
<v Speaker 2>you know anything about Rubblefish? And the guy like got
<v Speaker 2>this look on his face like finally someone right, right,
<v Speaker 2>He says, listen, I'm not from here. I don't really know,
<v Speaker 2>but I know who does.
<v Speaker 1>And he leaves.
<v Speaker 2>He takes me out of his storefront. This is like
<v Speaker 2>a little knickknack shop. He walks me down like three
<v Speaker 2>or four doors down, leaves his shop completely wide open.
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't this a character in like Phantom Menace or something
<v Speaker 1>that's the ball? Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. Sepulpacha, Okay, I'm
<v Speaker 1>with you, now, go ahead.
<v Speaker 2>And so he walks me down and I meet a
<v Speaker 2>guy named Micah. His name is Micah Chillette and he
<v Speaker 2>writes for the local Supulpa newspaper, the Supulple Times. This
<v Speaker 2>guy says, hey, Micah, here's a guy here who wants
<v Speaker 2>to know about rubblefish. And his eyes light up, and
<v Speaker 2>Micah is like, oh great, I know everything there is
<v Speaker 2>to know about Rubblefish. Let me take you around and
<v Speaker 2>show you all these locations.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>So I see the outside of Rusty James apartment and
<v Speaker 2>the infamous fire escape which has been torn down now,
<v Speaker 2>but they salvaged it. Danny boyl connor is going to do.
<v Speaker 1>Something with it later. Wait, who Danny boy O'Connor? This
<v Speaker 1>is I feel like this is going somewhere. Keep going
<v Speaker 1>with your story. Well, stay with me, okay.
<v Speaker 2>He takes me down to the courthouse, the Suppulple Courthouse,
<v Speaker 2>and apparently they shot scenes from the Outsiders where pony
<v Speaker 2>Boy was like on trial and whether that the fountain
<v Speaker 2>incident was self.
<v Speaker 1>Defense or not not. In the theatrical relief Make It
<v Speaker 1>came out in two thousand and five, and the re edit.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he takes me also to the there's a place
<v Speaker 2>in Rumblefish where the boys kind of get in the
<v Speaker 2>wrong area of town. He takes me to that place
<v Speaker 2>and so we go in there. He's talking to a
<v Speaker 2>guy who works there, had no idea that a movie
<v Speaker 2>was filmed there.
<v Speaker 1>And then he takes.
<v Speaker 2>Me like, I go through the lock door, like over
<v Speaker 2>a stack of junk, you know, up the hallway, this backstaircase.
<v Speaker 2>He opens the door and he takes me to Rusty
<v Speaker 2>James apartment on the third floor of this building that's
<v Speaker 2>been gutted.
<v Speaker 1>Wow.
<v Speaker 2>And I was He's like, see that wallpaper right there,
<v Speaker 2>you can see that in the movie. There's where Dennis
<v Speaker 2>Hopper was, There's where Mickey Rourke was, There's where Matt
<v Speaker 2>Dillon was. And I was just in movie Geek Heaven.
<v Speaker 1>So you were a kid in a candy store. I
<v Speaker 1>wa mean for our listeners who don't know, Jason is
<v Speaker 1>the location guy, like he loved, like one of our
<v Speaker 1>very first episodes. He loved talking about how he was
<v Speaker 1>at the place that you see at the beginning of
<v Speaker 1>Raiders of the Lost Dark. He swung on the rope out.
<v Speaker 1>I did swung on the rope out into the river,
<v Speaker 1>just like Indiana Jones. And so yesterday he got to
<v Speaker 1>go see Sepulpa where a lot of Rumblefish was filmed.
<v Speaker 1>But also you mentioned Danny Boy O'Connor and you were
<v Speaker 1>also in Tulsa proper singing scenes and locations for the Outsider.
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>So Danny Boyle O'Connor, for those of you who don't know,
<v Speaker 2>he is one of the hip hop artists.
<v Speaker 1>Who hold on, hold on before you jump into this.
<v Speaker 1>The guys. I walked in and my son Caleb is
<v Speaker 1>talking to Jason, and as I walk in, I heard
<v Speaker 1>Caleb going who and You're like listen and you start
<v Speaker 1>playing jump around and Caleb's like, you're gonna talk to
<v Speaker 1>that guy? Yes. So for our listeners who don't know,
<v Speaker 1>Danny Boy O'Connor is one of the members of House
<v Speaker 1>of Pain who has changed vocations. I mean he's still
<v Speaker 1>doing he's still doing rapping and music and all of that,
<v Speaker 1>but he has an entire story that we are going
<v Speaker 1>to go over with him on our next episode. So
<v Speaker 1>be sure and hit the follow button, be sure and
<v Speaker 1>hit the subscribe button, because he has a incredible story
<v Speaker 1>about the origin and creation of the Outsiders Museum.
<v Speaker 2>It's more than that, because this is the intersectionality of
<v Speaker 2>nineties hip hop and eighties movies that will blow your
<v Speaker 2>socks off. So fingers crossed, We're.
<v Speaker 1>Going to have an interview with him next episode. Next episode.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, by the way, real quick before I leave this,
<v Speaker 2>if anybody is in Tulsa, Oklahoma and is interested in
<v Speaker 2>these things. Almost all of these landmarks are within a
<v Speaker 2>few miles of themselves. So Crutchfield Park, the Curtis Brothers House,
<v Speaker 2>Johnny KDE's House, the Movie Theater, all of it is
<v Speaker 2>within a few miles. It's really easy to do fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>So we've kind of just dived in here. But here's
<v Speaker 2>our introduction. We are talking about the Outsiders verse versus Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 2>Both of them Francis Ford Copple of movies. Both of
<v Speaker 2>them came out in nineteen eighty three, which means they
<v Speaker 2>are celebrating their fortieth anniversary in March. Outsiders will hit
<v Speaker 2>its fortieth sometime in the fall. Rumblefish will hit its
<v Speaker 2>fortieth anniversary. And they are both also se hitting novels
<v Speaker 2>and so this is like the perfect matchup and both
<v Speaker 2>filmed in the Tulsa area, that's right, which both Jason
<v Speaker 2>and I have lived there. Jason grew up there. I
<v Speaker 2>lived there for a couple of years when I first
<v Speaker 2>moved to Oklahoma. So we're both very familiar with the
<v Speaker 2>area that these movies were filmed in. And Jason can
<v Speaker 2>tell you, since he was there yesterday, that a lot
<v Speaker 2>of these places look exactly the same as they did
<v Speaker 2>forty years It's stunning.
<v Speaker 1>It's stunning.
<v Speaker 2>I went to the drive in, like the Admiral Twin
<v Speaker 2>drive in theater, and I could literally I'm like there,
<v Speaker 2>it is right there, right on the other side of
<v Speaker 2>the fence.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic beach Party movie. That's fantastic. Okay. So let's let's
<v Speaker 1>talk origin of these stories. Okay, very good, Okay. So
<v Speaker 1>the stories both start off with books, and they have
<v Speaker 1>an author that has one of the most unique stories
<v Speaker 1>you've ever heard. Jason hit me, all right.
<v Speaker 2>So Susan Eloise Hinton Susie Susie. Yeah, oh you know,
<v Speaker 2>se as you may be familiar with her. She was
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years old writing this story, right while she's making
<v Speaker 2>a D plus and creative writing and failing English class.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you have a student. If you have
<v Speaker 1>a child who is doing dismally bad in their English class,
<v Speaker 1>there's still hope.
<v Speaker 2>That to me is mind blowing. What teacher would give
<v Speaker 2>grades like this anyway, So she's at will Rogers High School,
<v Speaker 2>which incidentally is where Pony Boy goes to high school
<v Speaker 2>in The Outsiders. She starts chipping away at this story,
<v Speaker 2>and it's about rival gangs in her school in Tulsa.
<v Speaker 2>For whatever reason, the north side is kind of the
<v Speaker 2>bad side of town, and the further you get south,
<v Speaker 2>the more money there is. And so there was a
<v Speaker 2>fight between the greasers, the rough guys, and then the
<v Speaker 2>south side socials.
<v Speaker 1>Right, the socials, right, it's so not socks.
<v Speaker 2>When my son first read this novel, I told you
<v Speaker 2>this yesterday.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I was asking him, Okay, well, how's it going, you know,
<v Speaker 2>when he's a fifth grade or whatever, and he's telling
<v Speaker 2>me he's like, yeah, so anyway, the greasers in the
<v Speaker 2>socks are getting ready to rumble, and I'm like.
<v Speaker 1>It's not socks. Yeah, And again this one. If your
<v Speaker 1>kids are mispronouncing words, it means they learned them by reading.
<v Speaker 1>Don't be too hard on them. That's right. I can
<v Speaker 1>remember when my daughter was like, hey, you know, we
<v Speaker 1>should get one of those yachets. And we're like what, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the yatchet and we're like, what is
<v Speaker 1>a She's like, you know the big boat that like
<v Speaker 1>people have the yatchet, like the yacht. The yacht? Is
<v Speaker 1>that how you say that word? Yes, it is. So
<v Speaker 1>please everybody, don't give up on your children. Yet there's
<v Speaker 1>still hope. That's right. So she's fifteen years old, she's
<v Speaker 1>failing or nearly failing creative writing, and she's writing her
<v Speaker 1>own personal story about this story that she's heard about
<v Speaker 1>the Soshias and the Greasers. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So she's fifteen, starts to really kind of get into
<v Speaker 2>it as she's sixteen as a junior in high school,
<v Speaker 2>manages to get it published by the time she's eighteen.
<v Speaker 2>And this basically invents the young adult genre for novels.
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if your son or daughter reads young adult,
<v Speaker 2>you can think S. E.
<v Speaker 1>Hinton. There's an entire section of the library, a large
<v Speaker 1>section that's a library that is young adult, and that
<v Speaker 1>all started here. That's right.
<v Speaker 2>That book went on to sell over fourteen million copies
<v Speaker 2>and continues to sell five hundred thousand copies a year.
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. This is a book published in nineteen sixty seven.
<v Speaker 1>A fifteen year old author is one of the most
<v Speaker 1>successful authors of all time.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and still lives in Tulsa and just kind
<v Speaker 2>of hangs out with her husband and that's it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So when did this book come out?
<v Speaker 2>The Outsiders was published in nineteen sixty seven, okay. Rumblefish
<v Speaker 2>was published in nineteen seventy five.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So interestingly, there are other things going on at
<v Speaker 1>this time. We've talked about them before. One of them
<v Speaker 1>happened in nineteen seventy two, and then the other one
<v Speaker 1>happened in nineteen seventy four, and we talked about it
<v Speaker 1>almost exactly a year ago. Right now. It was Francis
<v Speaker 1>Ford Coppola's The Godfather and The Godfather Part two. So
<v Speaker 1>right around the time that Si Hinton has become famous
<v Speaker 1>for The Outsiders and has written this other novel, Rumblefish,
<v Speaker 1>Francis Ford Coppola is becoming famous for, I mean, two
<v Speaker 1>of arguably the best movies of all time, maybe the
<v Speaker 1>greatest movies of all time. Now here's what blew my mind. Right.
<v Speaker 1>You've got The Godfather, you have the Conversation and that
<v Speaker 1>where you remember from our Godfather episode and if you
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard it, please go back and check that out
<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary last year. As a deal to do The Godfather,
<v Speaker 1>he said, I want to be able to do the Conversation, right.
<v Speaker 1>He had this pet script that he wanted to do,
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, okay, you can do that. And so
<v Speaker 1>that's what came in between The Godfather and The Godfather
<v Speaker 1>Part two is the Conversation. Sure his coup de gras
<v Speaker 1>in his own mind, right, right. And then he does
<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse Now, which is another one of the greatest movies
<v Speaker 1>of all time. So we've got The Godfather, We've got
<v Speaker 1>The Conversation, We've got The Godfather Part two, we've got
<v Speaker 1>Apocalypse Now. And then he says, you know what, I'll
<v Speaker 1>do a musical and he does this movie called One
<v Speaker 1>from the Heart that has Terry Garr in it, of
<v Speaker 1>all people, right, and so here he is, he's like zoomin.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I can do anything. And so you know
<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna do next, mister Coppola. I think
<v Speaker 1>I'll do a low budget teen movie. What how does
<v Speaker 1>this happen? And how does he go from these three
<v Speaker 1>monumental successes this let me show you what I can
<v Speaker 1>do this pet project to this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's mind blowing. Right, What in the world is
<v Speaker 2>going on in Francis Ford Koppla's brain to go from
<v Speaker 2>those movies that you mentioned to basically.
<v Speaker 1>And After School Special?
<v Speaker 2>Right now, here's what happens. There's a librarian at Lone
<v Speaker 2>Star Elementary School in Fresno, California.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, and.
<v Speaker 2>She notices that all of her sixth, seventh, and eighth
<v Speaker 2>graders coming through her library are really interested in The Outsiders,
<v Speaker 2>and she begins to talk to them, and they come
<v Speaker 2>to her and they're like, is this a movie?
<v Speaker 1>Like?
<v Speaker 2>Can we watch this movie? And she realizes there's this
<v Speaker 2>market for these kids that like want to see this movie.
<v Speaker 2>She gets fifteen pages worth of signatures. They all decide,
<v Speaker 2>Francis Ford Kopla is the guy we want to make
<v Speaker 2>this movie.
<v Speaker 1>I mean why not? I mean, you know, hey, who
<v Speaker 1>is a director you've heard of at this point, Well,
<v Speaker 1>there's the guy that did The Godfather and Apocalypse? Now,
<v Speaker 1>how about that guy? All right, let's give it to Yeah, sure,
<v Speaker 1>let's do it. I mean why not?
<v Speaker 2>I mean the greatest director of the time. Let's see
<v Speaker 2>if he'll do this movie for us. So she sends
<v Speaker 2>this letter requesting him to do this movie. But here's
<v Speaker 2>the interesting part. She doesn't send it to this movie studio,
<v Speaker 2>which like ninety nine percent of the people would. She
<v Speaker 2>finds this obscure address in New York where he has
<v Speaker 2>an active mail account, but not really anybody else there
<v Speaker 2>but him. So for whatever reason, she chooses that address
<v Speaker 2>to send this letter to Nice and it bypasses all
<v Speaker 2>the stupid people at the studio at the studio, which
<v Speaker 2>would all the gatekeepers, all the gatekeepers, and it ends
<v Speaker 2>up in his hand and he reads this letter and
<v Speaker 2>he's moved by this.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. So he reads the novel and he's like,
<v Speaker 1>I think I would like to do this. Yeah. So,
<v Speaker 1>hearing this story, I reached out to Francis Ford Coppola,
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, and actually we talked to his publicist
<v Speaker 1>and his agent and they said, hey, he is in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of filming a new movie, which I mean
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't He's done virtually nothing in the last twenty years.
<v Speaker 1>When you send me that text, I was like, what, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they said, hey, super sorry. He is in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of shooting this movie called Megalopolis. Yes, and he will
<v Speaker 1>be busy with post production even when they're done with filming,
<v Speaker 1>so he won't be able to do it. But at least, hey,
<v Speaker 1>they said, thanks for asking. Okay. So he gets this
<v Speaker 1>letter in the mail, and I mean she sends him
<v Speaker 1>the she sends him the pages that are signed. He's
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about. He's like, they're all in different inc.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is a legit deal. He reads the book,
<v Speaker 1>he says, I love it. I would love to do this, right,
<v Speaker 1>And so where does he decide to go? Right? Was
<v Speaker 1>he going to go to Kansas City where they wanted
<v Speaker 1>to shoot The Godfather? No way. No, is he going
<v Speaker 1>to go to La or they've got sets. No is
<v Speaker 1>he going to go out to the jungle where they
<v Speaker 1>shout apocalypse now? No, he is going to go to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 2>I love this about Francis Portkopla. Yeah, there is no
<v Speaker 2>way he was going to shoot The Godfather Kansas City.
<v Speaker 1>You talked about it. We talked about it during our
<v Speaker 1>Godfather episode.
<v Speaker 2>He really is an artist and he wants the greatest
<v Speaker 2>amount of accuracy and detail that he can, so I'm
<v Speaker 2>going to Tulsa.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, love it. And so that's the origin story for
<v Speaker 1>The Outsiders. Yes, very nicely, we will flow right into
<v Speaker 1>the origin story for Rumblefish. So one of our key
<v Speaker 1>characters in The Outsiders is Dally, played by a young
<v Speaker 1>Matt Dillon. As he's in the midst of shooting The Outsiders,
<v Speaker 1>Matt Dylan is like, Hey, you like sie Hinton and
<v Speaker 1>she's there too, you should really check out Rumblefish. He
<v Speaker 1>reads Rumblefish and falls head over heels in love. And Guys,
<v Speaker 1>I know that probably ninety five percent of our audience
<v Speaker 1>is familiar with The Outsiders, and I know probably five
<v Speaker 1>percent of our audience is familiar with Rumblefish. It is
<v Speaker 1>just it is not as successful. Came out the same year,
<v Speaker 1>exact same year, both had Matt Dillon in it, both
<v Speaker 1>Francis Ford Coppola, both s he Hinton. But Rumblefish, although
<v Speaker 1>it does have a bit of a cult following, is
<v Speaker 1>nothing like the following of the Outsiders. But in Francis
<v Speaker 1>Ford Coppola's mind, there are two top movies of all
<v Speaker 1>of the movies that he's made, and those two movies
<v Speaker 1>are The Conversation, which I talked about right, and Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 2>I know I listened to his commentary. I know you
<v Speaker 2>did as well.
<v Speaker 1>You can hear the.
<v Speaker 2>Adoration that he has for that story.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that movie. Yes, when he read the book,
<v Speaker 1>it touched in him a personal court. He identified with
<v Speaker 1>what was going on in that story from experiences that
<v Speaker 1>he had growing up in various places, because they moved
<v Speaker 1>around a bunch, sure, and one of the places that
<v Speaker 1>they landed was a place called Woodside. And he had
<v Speaker 1>an older brother, Augustus, whose nickname was Augie. Yep, and
<v Speaker 1>Oggi was a member of what he kindly referred to
<v Speaker 1>as a social club, what we might call a gang.
<v Speaker 1>And the name of that gang is the Wild Deuces.
<v Speaker 1>The Wild Deuces. So if you are one of that
<v Speaker 1>five percent who is familiar with Rumblefish, you will know
<v Speaker 1>that name because that's the jacket that young Nick Coppola, yes,
<v Speaker 1>better known as Nicholas Cage, is wearing in the movie.
<v Speaker 1>It is his own father's jacket because Nick Cage, Nick Coppola,
<v Speaker 1>is Francis Ford Coppola's nephew, Augie's son, is wearing Augie's
<v Speaker 1>jacket in this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, now, are you telling me that movie
<v Speaker 2>star Nicholas Cage is actually born Nick Coppola in is
<v Speaker 2>Francis Ford Coppola's nephew.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's incredible. It is awesome, dude, it is. It
<v Speaker 1>is super awesome. So Francis dedicates this movie. At the
<v Speaker 1>end of the movie, you'll see he dedicates this movie
<v Speaker 1>to Aggie Coppola. And this movie is about a younger
<v Speaker 1>brother and an older brother and their relationship. And he refers.
<v Speaker 1>He says, this movie is dedicated to Ali Coppola, my
<v Speaker 1>first and best teacher. There's something about the relationship between
<v Speaker 1>a younger brother and an older brother that is almost undefinable,
<v Speaker 1>and he tries to capture it in this movie. And
<v Speaker 1>it's really truly incredible. It is an emotion that can't
<v Speaker 1>be described. And he does something special to give us
<v Speaker 1>that feeling and that emotion and that empathy. It's great
<v Speaker 1>to see him take something and go completely. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>we talk about how he goes from Godfather to Apocalypse
<v Speaker 1>now to The Outsiders, and that's such a strange twist
<v Speaker 1>of events. But he's in his own words, Rumblefish is
<v Speaker 1>the opposite of the Outsiders.
<v Speaker 2>I think he says, like the flip side of the coin, Righteah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean opposite, flat out opposite. Whereas as you've got
<v Speaker 1>colors and beauty, this is black and white and harsh reality.
<v Speaker 1>You've got a PG rating, you got an R rating.
<v Speaker 1>He says, They're the opposite. Used different editors, used different soundtracks,
<v Speaker 1>totally different movies. But interestingly, early eighties, this is Coppola's
<v Speaker 1>teen movies. These are both teen movies. So now what's
<v Speaker 1>interesting is a year before these movies came out, nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty two, Disney released a movie that was also an
<v Speaker 1>s he Hitton novel. Yes, and that movie was called Techs. Right.
<v Speaker 1>You know where I was filmed Tulsa, Oklama. Tulsa, Oklahoma again,
<v Speaker 1>And I mentioned in our previous episode when I was
<v Speaker 1>talking about, Hey, we're coming up on this, that my
<v Speaker 1>sister in law, my brother's wife, she lived in Tulsa
<v Speaker 1>at that time. Right. I talked to her on the
<v Speaker 1>phone today. I'm like, hey, tell me the story about
<v Speaker 1>what happened, you know, let's let's go, right, And she said, so,
<v Speaker 1>they just they showed up to their high school, right,
<v Speaker 1>and they said, anybody interested in this, you know, talking
<v Speaker 1>about this movie, come on over and she goes, I
<v Speaker 1>think we might have even been in a classroom, like
<v Speaker 1>just sitting in there and the director came in. So
<v Speaker 1>the director is there and they're talking to the kids.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're talking to the high school kids, right, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this kind of high school movie. It's a
<v Speaker 1>Disney movie, but we're kind of making this a little
<v Speaker 1>more edgy than some of the Disney movies have been
<v Speaker 1>in the bash sure, and so you know, hey, what
<v Speaker 1>what stuff do you guys? Know? What skills do you have?
<v Speaker 1>And they kind of start talking and eventually it's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>does anybody know how to ride a motorcycle? If you're
<v Speaker 1>familiar with the movie text, you see Matt Dillon sitting
<v Speaker 1>on a motorcycle, right, that's the poster. And my sister
<v Speaker 1>in law is like, yeah, I know how to ride
<v Speaker 1>a motorcycle, right, Ye, Well, my sister in law's maiden
<v Speaker 1>name is Winters. And if there if we have any
<v Speaker 1>fans out there who are motorcycle enthusiasts, her dad is
<v Speaker 1>Leroy Winters, who is one of the most famous motorcycle
<v Speaker 1>guys of the sixties.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I bet Pat Cannadala knows who that guy is.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, hit me up, Pat if you know
<v Speaker 1>who Leroy Winters is, right, bought my first motorcycle for
<v Speaker 1>mister Leroy Winters in Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is where
<v Speaker 1>she grew up, but she was living in Tulsa this time,
<v Speaker 1>going to high school. Okay, anyway, they're like, do you
<v Speaker 1>know how to ride a motorcycle? She's like, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>can do it, and they're like, okay, come out to this,
<v Speaker 1>come out to the river, and let's see what she
<v Speaker 1>can do. Her brother was supposed to meet her out there,
<v Speaker 1>right and bring a motorcycle that they had. Well something
<v Speaker 1>happened and he fell through, and so she's out there
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I'm sorry, guys, I don't have a
<v Speaker 1>motorcycle to ride. And they're like, well, that's okay, we've
<v Speaker 1>got one. And they give her like this five hundred
<v Speaker 1>cc motorcycle that's kind of big for as a high
<v Speaker 1>school girl. And they're like, show us what you can do.
<v Speaker 1>See if you can do that jump over there, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like giving her a challenge, like really, like was this
<v Speaker 1>girl going to do anything? She's like okay, and she can't,
<v Speaker 1>even like her feet won't both touch the ground on
<v Speaker 1>this motorcycle, right, So she's thinking about that and she's like,
<v Speaker 1>get going fast. So she is hauling ass to make
<v Speaker 1>this jump, does the jump, and he's going so fast
<v Speaker 1>that like she lands and has to skid to a
<v Speaker 1>halt and it's right in front of them and it's
<v Speaker 1>like er and then she has to jump off of
<v Speaker 1>the motorcycle or she's gonna fall over because she can't
<v Speaker 1>at your legs. So she literally jumps this giant thing,
<v Speaker 1>skids right in front of him, jumps off and is
<v Speaker 1>there holding the bike and they're like, wow, who are
<v Speaker 1>you again? And she's like, my name's Robin Winters. And
<v Speaker 1>then she's and they're like are you related to Leroy
<v Speaker 1>Winters And she says yeah, he's my dad and he's
<v Speaker 1>like oh. And she becomes the girl that they go
<v Speaker 1>to to do all motorcycle things. She's in the movie text.
<v Speaker 1>She's on the back of the motorcycle with Amelio Estevez.
<v Speaker 1>I mean she becomes friends with Amelia, she becomes friends
<v Speaker 1>with Meg Tilly. They go hang out and barbecue at
<v Speaker 1>people's houses. She said, I think I'm I think I
<v Speaker 1>met Charlie Sheen. I think he might have like almost
<v Speaker 1>drowned in the river as we were out partying one night,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and wow, they barbecue together, said she met Martin.
<v Speaker 1>She went out to La after it was all over
<v Speaker 1>and just had this fantastic time I learned about it
<v Speaker 1>just this last these last couple of months, right, fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>And so I mentioned that that she taught Mickey Rourke
<v Speaker 1>to ride a motorcycle. Well that's not exactly right. She
<v Speaker 1>helped him. She did. So when they got to Rumblefish Time,
<v Speaker 1>Phodoo Howard gave her call, said, hey, can you come
<v Speaker 1>help us out with this picture? We got some motorcycle stuff,
<v Speaker 1>And so she came and she's talking to him and
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, who is this I'm supposed to help learn?
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, Mickey Rourke was standing in a shadow
<v Speaker 1>like smoking a cigarette and he just kind of appears.
<v Speaker 1>She's like, wow, I feel like I know that guy's
<v Speaker 1>And so she had just seen him in you know,
<v Speaker 1>body heat or something like that. You know. Okay, so
<v Speaker 1>she's like but she said, he kind of already knew,
<v Speaker 1>but needed just a little kind of update, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, when you hear it get to that speed,
<v Speaker 1>you need to switch gears, She said Matt Dillon though
<v Speaker 1>he was a New York City kid who didn't know
<v Speaker 1>anything about motorcycles, and she had to teach him everything.
<v Speaker 1>So you got Texts on the motorcycle. My sister in
<v Speaker 1>law is the guy who taught that guy hat to Wow. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Right, that's a great story. Yeah, I've got a text
<v Speaker 2>story too. It's not as good as yours, but I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna throw this out there. So text comes out in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty. Obviously, I'm from Tulsa. This is all shot
<v Speaker 2>in South Tulsa, around where I live.
<v Speaker 1>Right, this is the first.
<v Speaker 2>Time it hits me that movies are not real. So
<v Speaker 2>Texts and his brother are driving around in a pickup
<v Speaker 2>truck having a conversation, right, the conversation's continuity flows, right,
<v Speaker 2>But they're by this thing, and then they're four miles
<v Speaker 2>away in front of this thing, and then they're five
<v Speaker 2>miles away in front of this thing. And then they're
<v Speaker 2>going west, and then they're going east. And I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm a nine year old kid, going this what wait
<v Speaker 2>a minute, this is not right?
<v Speaker 1>And then you saw RoboCop exactly.
<v Speaker 2>But the most unbelievable thing about texts is that Emilio
<v Speaker 2>esta business character wears both a Oklahoma Sooners shirt and
<v Speaker 2>an Oklahoma State Cowboy shirts. That's the thing that I
<v Speaker 2>had the most.
<v Speaker 1>Problem with as a nine year old. Kiss funny. So
<v Speaker 1>Emilio Estevez of course goes on and does the next
<v Speaker 1>se Hinton movie, which is The Outsiders, as does Matt Dillon. Right,
<v Speaker 1>Rourke tries out for it, doesn't get it right, but
<v Speaker 1>Francis Ford Coppola likes him so much that he's like, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>you need to come on back. And I'm kind of
<v Speaker 1>I'm falling into casting here. So before I do that,
<v Speaker 1>let me just tell one more story. Okay, sure, So
<v Speaker 1>this is this is post both movies, right, Okay, into
<v Speaker 1>both movies. He's doing the editing. He's editing the scene
<v Speaker 1>in Rumblefish where Mickey Rourke decides to go in and
<v Speaker 1>free all of the animals from the pet store. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>it's very pee wee herman of him. Well, yes, right,
<v Speaker 1>it's an interesting and an interesting conundrum, right, yes, And
<v Speaker 1>so anyway, he is, he's filmed this, he's in the
<v Speaker 1>midst of editing this. This is a part of the book.
<v Speaker 1>This is part of the book Rumblefish, right, And so
<v Speaker 1>he goes to see Hinton and he's like, hey, you
<v Speaker 1>know that scene in the book where they decide to
<v Speaker 1>let all of the animals go huh. She's like, yeah, yes,
<v Speaker 1>how'd you come up with that idea? And she's like, no,
<v Speaker 1>I saw that in a movie. Actually. He's like, what
<v Speaker 1>was the movie and she's like, oh, I can't remember
<v Speaker 1>the name of it. Uh, had James Cohn in it?
<v Speaker 1>He was like, oh, James Kahn. Was it The Rain People?
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, that's it, The Rain People. And he's like, huh,
<v Speaker 1>that's a movie that I wrote and directed right before
<v Speaker 1>I did The God That's Friends. For So Francis Worp,
<v Speaker 1>without even realizing it until after everything's done, is directing
<v Speaker 1>a scene in a movie that the writer of the
<v Speaker 1>book took from a scene of another one of his movies.
<v Speaker 1>That is unbelievable.
<v Speaker 2>That's a fantastic story.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Okay, we ready to get into casting. Let's
<v Speaker 1>talk about okay, because I'm bursting at the scenes with
<v Speaker 1>fun stuff to talk about with the cast. I mean you,
<v Speaker 1>we could stop at Outsiders alone, because holy cow, this
<v Speaker 1>is like the big bang of the Brat pack of
<v Speaker 1>eighty stars. Right, yeah, it really is gigantic. All of
<v Speaker 1>these guys who were one of the very first movies
<v Speaker 1>that they're ever in.
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, after doing the Godfather movies and Apocalypse.
<v Speaker 2>Now in the Black Stallion, you throw this out there.
<v Speaker 2>It's an open cast call, and you bring in all
<v Speaker 2>this young talent, and so of course you're gonna have
<v Speaker 2>hugely talented people that want to be involved in this movie.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>It's an interesting way that they did it. So they
<v Speaker 2>would bring in all these actors and they were all
<v Speaker 2>sitting in the same room, and before we get specifically
<v Speaker 2>who they were, Francis four Coppola would go, Okay, Dee Graves,
<v Speaker 2>you're a pony boy, and Jason Colvin you are soda
<v Speaker 2>pop and ready gope, yeah, and it would just kind
<v Speaker 2>of toss him in the ring together. And so like
<v Speaker 2>Tom Cruise read for five or six or seven different parts.
<v Speaker 2>And I heard Rob Low talking about this. He said,
<v Speaker 2>nobody really ever honed in that that was their role
<v Speaker 2>because you played so many different roles, you really didn't
<v Speaker 2>know where you stood or where you're.
<v Speaker 1>Going to land. Right. Ralph Mancio talks about this scenario
<v Speaker 1>and he was like it was it was mind bending.
<v Speaker 1>It was so stressful because you were sitting there watching
<v Speaker 1>other guys read the part that you just read, and
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, oh my gosh, this is a different choice
<v Speaker 1>that he's made, and what did I make the wrong choice?
<v Speaker 1>And he's a new I mean a very new actor
<v Speaker 1>and a New York kid. So he's trying to do
<v Speaker 1>this Tulsa, Oklahoma. Actual, yes, and he's just panic, panic
<v Speaker 1>stricken the entire audition. Okay, so let's get into it.
<v Speaker 2>But before we get into the big players, I want
<v Speaker 2>to give you just a little bit of the little players.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So one of the guys that's in Outsiders and
<v Speaker 2>Rumblefish and is a guy that we've talked about before.
<v Speaker 2>His name is Tom Waits.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, Tom Waits, who's more famous as a singer,
<v Speaker 1>but has definitely had a slew of movies that he
<v Speaker 1>has played a small part in.
<v Speaker 2>So he plays Buck Merril and the Outsiders and he
<v Speaker 2>plays another small part in Rumblefish. But do you remember
<v Speaker 2>when we talked about him before.
<v Speaker 1>We talked about how in the Dark Night that Heath Ledger.
<v Speaker 1>We have a strong suspicion that Heath Ledger was channeling
<v Speaker 1>his inner Tom Waits that when he did that, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the voice of the Joker. Yeah, took his voice
<v Speaker 2>from Tom Waits.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I have a growing level of popularity throughout the inner
<v Speaker 2>continelly the United States. So yeah, okay, one more smaller
<v Speaker 2>part I want to bring up to you. And this
<v Speaker 2>blew my mind when I learned this. It's Michelle Myrink.
<v Speaker 2>She's Cherry Valance's friend who sits next her at the
<v Speaker 2>drive in.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I saw her and I was like, I
<v Speaker 1>know that face. How do I know that face? I
<v Speaker 1>know that face? And so I had to hit pause.
<v Speaker 1>I had to look her up on IMDb and I
<v Speaker 1>was like, ah, of course, yes.
<v Speaker 2>So she was in Valley Girls, she was in Revenge
<v Speaker 2>of the Nerds, but really.
<v Speaker 1>For me, she's Jordan in Real Genius. Yes, that was
<v Speaker 1>it for me too.
<v Speaker 2>I almost fell out of my chair.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So, okay, so let's talk about pony Boy Curtis for
<v Speaker 2>a second before you get there.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just you're talking small parts before we get to
<v Speaker 1>the big parts. I want to just throw out a
<v Speaker 1>couple that, okay, may surprise you, all right, Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>So in like extras, mind you. Yes, we have Melanie Griffith.
<v Speaker 1>And also we have Heather langing Camp. Yes, and you
<v Speaker 1>know what movie.
<v Speaker 2>She's She's freaking Nancy from Nyrore on Elm Street. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>she's actually born and raised in Tulsa. Yeah, so Tulsa
<v Speaker 2>actress Heather land Camp Nancy.
<v Speaker 1>And then another smaller part, speaking part and important part
<v Speaker 1>in both of these movies is a guy named Glenn Withrow.
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Withrow is the guy who comes up while Pony
<v Speaker 1>Boy is sitting talking to Cherry at the drive in
<v Speaker 1>theater and is like, did Dadley slash my tires? I
<v Speaker 1>know he slashed my tires. Yeah. He also plays Biff
<v Speaker 1>in Not Back to the Future, although I'm pretty confident
<v Speaker 1>that's where they got his name. Probably yes, But he
<v Speaker 1>plays Biff in Rumblefish, the guy who gets in the
<v Speaker 1>initial rumble with Rusty James s Matt Dellen.
<v Speaker 2>And you were So he has his hair peroxided. He's
<v Speaker 2>the guy who slashes in with a knife.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, blonde guy. He's blond and rumblefishly different a greezer
<v Speaker 1>in the Outsiders And then just real quick on that
<v Speaker 1>one before we get too far off of him. So
<v Speaker 1>there's a really dramatic scene where motorcycle Boy takes Biff out, right,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's one of the most unforgettable scenes of
<v Speaker 1>the movie. And it was actually the idea of the
<v Speaker 1>stunt coordinator who said, what if we do this and
<v Speaker 1>so the way that Biff, after he has made this
<v Speaker 1>cowardly move of slashing Rusty James while he's looking away, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>motorcycle Boy uses his motorcycle to take Biff out and
<v Speaker 1>it's a fantastic I mean, you just think about no
<v Speaker 1>CG and nothing else. It hits him and he does
<v Speaker 1>a full back flip up in the air and over
<v Speaker 1>onto his face, basically right. Sure, it's incredible, And that
<v Speaker 1>was the stunt coordinator who's like, you know, I think
<v Speaker 1>we could pull this off. Buddy Joe Hooker, by the way,
<v Speaker 1>stunt coordinator a ton of movies, but I just thought
<v Speaker 1>that was a really cool scene. It was an amazing scene,
<v Speaker 1>and they pulled it off flawless and once again all
<v Speaker 1>in black and white.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it pops, It pops hard.
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about that here in a second, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Casting, Yeah, so pony Boy Curtis is the narrator of
<v Speaker 2>the story. That's the character that C. Thomas Howell plays
<v Speaker 2>in the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>Now you had people like Timothy Hutt and read for
<v Speaker 2>this Anthony Michael Hall, like think Rusty in Vacation, very
<v Speaker 2>young Anthony Michael Hall.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same year, same year, and that was that was
<v Speaker 1>really his first big movie was Vacation.
<v Speaker 2>Val Kilmer read for pony Boy yeap.
<v Speaker 1>He was doing a stage play at that time. They
<v Speaker 1>actually offered it to him and he turned it down.
<v Speaker 2>He couldn't do it because if he backed out, the
<v Speaker 2>whole thing would have folded, and he felt responsible.
<v Speaker 1>Didn't want to do that.
<v Speaker 2>So I heard Rob Loow talking about when he knew
<v Speaker 2>that C. Thomas Hall had the part right, and so
<v Speaker 2>see Thomas how For those of you who may not know,
<v Speaker 2>he was in the Hitcher, he was in et. He
<v Speaker 2>was in a great eighties movie that a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people have overlooked called Secret Admirer. It's one of my favorites.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why it's not a teen classic.
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 2>Solman right, Soulman Side Out.
<v Speaker 1>Married Raydon Cheng who was in Soulman. That's exactly right.
<v Speaker 2>Roblow was talking about when he knew C. Thomas Hall
<v Speaker 2>had the part Francis four Coppola, who he was in
<v Speaker 2>his style, he would be like, all right, Roblow, you
<v Speaker 2>read for pony Boy. You know Val Kilmer, you read
<v Speaker 2>for Soda Pop. You know Patrick Swayze, you read for
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Kid, whatever, And they would just throw it all around,
<v Speaker 2>right Roblow said, of course, they're all on the edge
<v Speaker 2>of this warehouse watching Francis four Coppola would say, all right,
<v Speaker 2>Tommy you stay, Uh, tom Cruise, you read for Soda Pop.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Roblow, you read for Johnny cad and Dennis Quaid.
<v Speaker 1>You read for Dally.
<v Speaker 2>All right, you three out, Tommy, you stay. And as
<v Speaker 2>soon as he started doing that, yeah, Roblo's like he's
<v Speaker 2>got it.
<v Speaker 1>He's pony Boy. You know that. Coppla asked for Patrick
<v Speaker 1>Swayze specifically, like a lot of those guys came into audition,
<v Speaker 1>and he asked for Swayze specifically. Do you know what
<v Speaker 1>movie he saw him in?
<v Speaker 2>What's the stupid roller skating movie.
<v Speaker 1>Called Skatetown USA. It is a monumental debut by mister
<v Speaker 1>Patrick Swayze that earns a whopping four point eight on
<v Speaker 1>the IMDb scale out of ten. It got him the
<v Speaker 1>party and the Outsiders. What do you what.
<v Speaker 2>Roller Skates gave us Darryl and the Outsiders and eventually
<v Speaker 2>Body in Point Break.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and dirty dancing, I mean dancing, that's right,
<v Speaker 1>that right? Right?
<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's talk about the part of Dallas Winston.
<v Speaker 2>He's the big battie, right, he's the hood right hood
<v Speaker 2>get lost hood?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right?
<v Speaker 2>Matt Doana just shot texts right s he Hitton is
<v Speaker 2>the one who said I think he'd be a good Dallas.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting in the novel, looks nothing like Matt Dylan.
<v Speaker 2>He's blonde, looks totally different. And sie Hinton came to
<v Speaker 2>Francis four coppola and said, you know, I think maybe
<v Speaker 2>Matt Dylan is our guy. And so early on in
<v Speaker 2>the auditions they're reading for all these different parts, Francis
<v Speaker 2>four coppola goes to Matt Dillon and says, okay, you
<v Speaker 2>can go home, Matt, and Matt's like, crap, they're sending
<v Speaker 2>me home already. I blew it, right, I didn't get it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not anything. They're kicking me out of here. And
<v Speaker 2>what he didn't know that he had already been decided.
<v Speaker 1>He was gonna be cast nice.
<v Speaker 2>Interestingly, Francis four Coppola during the filming went to Matt
<v Speaker 2>Dillon and said, hey, you know, for your character, like
<v Speaker 2>for your study of your character, why don't you spend
<v Speaker 2>a couple of nights in jail. And Matt Dylan's like,
<v Speaker 2>no way, Francis, you spend a couple of nights in jail, right,
<v Speaker 2>So some guys who read for Dally, of course Tom Cruise,
<v Speaker 2>Adam Baldwin, who was kind of the star of My Bodyguard,
<v Speaker 2>and then Nick Cage. Nicholas Cage locked himself in a
<v Speaker 2>room for two weeks stared at a picture of Charles
<v Speaker 2>Bronson trying to channel his inner Dolly Us even though
<v Speaker 2>his uncle is the director didn't get it. But of
<v Speaker 2>course he shows up later in Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 1>Right. I thought this was funny.
<v Speaker 2>So Francis pour Coppola got mad at Matt Dillon during
<v Speaker 2>the shooting of The Outsiders, Yeah, and called him a
<v Speaker 2>get ready for it, brace yourself an airhead, and as
<v Speaker 2>he had made him go, apologized.
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's funny. That's funny.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Matt Dillon was like seventeen eighteen when
<v Speaker 2>he filmed this.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was fifteen Yeah, as I was looking at
<v Speaker 1>as I was watching. I mean, it's there's something about
<v Speaker 1>black and white. As I'm watching Rumblefish and he's in
<v Speaker 1>that tank top white shirt, I'm just like, Matt Dylan
<v Speaker 1>has the most perfect skin I've ever seen in my life.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just flawless. It's like, oh, it's because
<v Speaker 1>he's seventeen years old. Well, but he doesn't have any
<v Speaker 1>zits or anything. Yeah, I mean it's just he's like porcelain.
<v Speaker 2>It's just let's go to Darryl Curtis. That's the part
<v Speaker 2>that Patrick Swayze plays.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Well, turns out Patrick Swayze's twenty nine when he makes this. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>they wanted somebody to play the older brother.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they didn't want somebody to be too old.
<v Speaker 2>But somehow or another, he channels his inner twenty one
<v Speaker 2>year old and plays just the right amount of older brother.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So Mickey Rourke was actually one person that they had
<v Speaker 2>in mind.
<v Speaker 1>To play for Darryl, right, right. Dennis Quaid is another. Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>yeah I heard that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So ultimately, Franz Sportcopola, like you said, liked him from
<v Speaker 2>that movie rollers Gate America around USA Skate Down USA. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Johnny kaid, this is the part that Ralph Macchio plays. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Ralph Machi was twenty years old.
<v Speaker 1>Let me just say this. Let me just say this,
<v Speaker 1>all right. So you talked to Caylab before this, and
<v Speaker 1>he was he was wowing you with his Star Wars knowledge, right, right.
<v Speaker 1>He is more obsessed with Cobra Kai than he is
<v Speaker 1>with Star Wars, Like, I mean, every day, it's like, okay, dad,
<v Speaker 1>So mister Miyagi in his prime versus Johnny in his prime?
<v Speaker 1>Who wins? I'm like, dude, I don't know. He's like, okay, okay, okay,
<v Speaker 1>get it. How about this? How about Hawk in his
<v Speaker 1>prime versus Johnny in his prime? I'm like, dude, I
<v Speaker 1>don't what. I don't know this. These are real people,
<v Speaker 1>yeah right, I don't yeah what. This is the movie? Right?
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, he's he he and he gets mad when
<v Speaker 1>people don't like Cobra Kai or Karate Kid stuff. Right. Sure.
<v Speaker 1>So he comes in like when I'm a quarter of
<v Speaker 1>the way through The Outsiders and I had mentioned to him,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go to watch this movie.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, it's got Ralph Macchio and he's like, who,
<v Speaker 1>I'm like Daniel's son. He's like, oh, okay, I might
<v Speaker 1>can watch that with you. So he comes in after
<v Speaker 1>I've been watching so many twenty five minutes of the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Right right, we've hit the plot point the guy's been stabbed.
<v Speaker 1>And then he comes in after they've made their escape,
<v Speaker 1>and so he's like, oh, yeah, there's Daniel. And he
<v Speaker 1>goes what's his name in this movie? And I was
<v Speaker 1>like it's Johnny and he was like really. I was like, yes,
<v Speaker 1>really is like you know why? That's funny? Right? I
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh yeah, cratty kid, I get it. Yeah right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>So there you go, that's funny.
<v Speaker 2>So for the part of Johnny Caid, can you imagine
<v Speaker 2>Scott Bao from Happy Days?
<v Speaker 1>No, Chachi, No, he can be Charles in Charge all day,
<v Speaker 1>but not Johnny. Sorry no. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So Ralph Macchio talks about how when he read the
<v Speaker 2>book as a seventh grader, he really latched onto this character,
<v Speaker 2>and even though he read for different parts, he's like, man,
<v Speaker 2>I really just want to play Johnny. I hope I
<v Speaker 2>get Johnny.
<v Speaker 1>He said. Anytime he had to read for.
<v Speaker 2>Soda Pop or something else, he was just kind of
<v Speaker 2>bummed that he wasn't reading for Johnny and ultimately got
<v Speaker 2>his favorite character in the book. Now, one of the
<v Speaker 2>things I thought was funny is that Tommy Hall and him,
<v Speaker 2>you know, pony Boy and Johnny cad are like best buddies.
<v Speaker 2>Well in real life, they were kind of irritants to
<v Speaker 2>each other, okay, because Ralph Maccio is a serious actor
<v Speaker 2>wants to make sure he's prepared and in his character,
<v Speaker 2>and Tommy Howell was worried about getting a high.
<v Speaker 1>Score on pac Man. So yeah, as I understood, a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the guys were practical joking throughout the entire shoot,
<v Speaker 1>but Ralph Montio was not one of those guys. He
<v Speaker 1>was very focused on giving it his absolute best and
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be any part of the shenanigans.
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that he did contribute a lot
<v Speaker 2>to that A lot of people don't know this story.
<v Speaker 2>So there's a real famous shot of the guys on
<v Speaker 2>that movie poster and they're cracking up and it's a
<v Speaker 2>great shot. Everybody's all smiles. So one of the guys
<v Speaker 2>on set was reaching for some food on a table
<v Speaker 2>and somebody corrected him and say, hey, man, that's for
<v Speaker 2>the talent. That's not for you, right right, And while
<v Speaker 2>they're taking this picture, they're all standing there. Ralph Mancio goes, yeah, life,
<v Speaker 2>that's for the talent.
<v Speaker 1>So was the guy who played Bob.
<v Speaker 2>That was a guy who played Bob Leaife Garrett was
<v Speaker 2>thrown under the bus by Johnny caid.
<v Speaker 1>Ah, that's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't enough to kill Bob. He also had to
<v Speaker 2>throw the actor into the bus, all right. Soda Pop
<v Speaker 2>Curtis played by Rob Low, seventeen years old turned eighteen
<v Speaker 2>during filming. Tom Cruise read for this part, but one
<v Speaker 2>of the descriptions of Soda Pop Curtis is that he
<v Speaker 2>was insanely cute boy.
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 2>And Rob Low is just the prettiest man in the
<v Speaker 2>face of the earth.
<v Speaker 1>Sure, that was a lock rightest man I ever seen.
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise though, Like I mean, this is pre all
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise, right, This is basically Tom Cruise's very first movie. Well,
<v Speaker 1>he'd been in Taps, right, But he keeps his back
<v Speaker 1>to the camera the entire time. Like his face he's
<v Speaker 1>barely even when he's in it. He's it's as though
<v Speaker 1>he is avoiding, like he's like, I don't want to
<v Speaker 1>be a part of this movie, and he's turned away,
<v Speaker 1>or unless he's eating cake and wants to show you
<v Speaker 1>all the cake in his head, then he'll give you
<v Speaker 1>a full frontal smile. But he it was weird to
<v Speaker 1>see him not be the spotlight in this movie. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I did see one scene that was deleted where he
<v Speaker 2>was grabbing at a Sosho's trying to drive off and
<v Speaker 2>he's reaching through the and trying to pull this guy
<v Speaker 2>out the window, and I thought, that's a young Jack
<v Speaker 2>Reacher right there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he was tough, and he was still yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he was still ripped at this point. He was for
<v Speaker 1>sure all right.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Roblo s he Hinton, you know what
<v Speaker 2>what happens to Soda Bob Curtis down the line? She said,
<v Speaker 2>in my mind, he dies in Vietnam? Okay to Bit Matthews. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>played by Amilio Estevez. Yeah, he was about twenty years
<v Speaker 2>old when he shot this. They knew Emilio because he's
<v Speaker 2>Martin Sheen's kid from Apocalypse Now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he also is in tex He was in text. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Emilio Estevez is one of the only guys to star
<v Speaker 2>in three se Hinton movies. He was in Text, he
<v Speaker 2>was in The Outsiders, and he was in that was
<v Speaker 2>then this is now.
<v Speaker 1>So you you when we started, before we started rolling today,
<v Speaker 1>before we turned the microphone on, I was like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>there kind of is an Outsider's part two. That was
<v Speaker 1>then this is now is a continuation of the story.
<v Speaker 1>What yes, so, yeah, Like characters from The Outsiders are
<v Speaker 1>also characters and that was then this is now. Pony
<v Speaker 1>Boy is in there. He is. It is a minor part,
<v Speaker 1>but he's in there. The Outsiders takes place in the sixties,
<v Speaker 1>and you remember that what's the name of the character
<v Speaker 1>who takes Johnny aside and talks to him the car
<v Speaker 1>the Sosh that was there, Randy. Yes, yeah, So Randy
<v Speaker 1>moves from being a sosh to being a hippie and
<v Speaker 1>that was then this is now, and so it's an
<v Speaker 1>entirely it's an entirely different group of folks, but there
<v Speaker 1>are some carryovers. Pony Boy is there, he's Randy is
<v Speaker 1>there as hippie and it is part two of the Outside. Wow.
<v Speaker 1>The script was actually developed by Emelio Stevez. Really interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's great man, that's great.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Also, according to Emilio Estevez, when they rumble happened, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Francis Porkopo is like, man, get in there, mix it
<v Speaker 2>up with these people. Right, Tommy Hall got punched in
<v Speaker 2>the jaw. Tom Cruise lost a tooth.
<v Speaker 1>Well that's funny because I listened to Coppla talk about
<v Speaker 1>this and he said he was so worried about this
<v Speaker 1>because you've got so many people all fighting at the
<v Speaker 1>same time that you don't know somebody might actually get hit.
<v Speaker 1>He goes, somebody could accidentally get hit, somebody could lose tooth.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that it actually happened. And so what
<v Speaker 1>does he do. He exacerbates the problem by pouring water
<v Speaker 1>on top of everybody. Yeah, because because in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of the rumble, I mean two seconds in, it starts
<v Speaker 1>to rain, which creates a great effect. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 1>really cool to see people, I mean leath the weapon
<v Speaker 1>says it all. It's great to see guys fighting in
<v Speaker 1>the rain, right yep. But with people slipping and sliding,
<v Speaker 1>the chances that somebody's going to get cole cocked or
<v Speaker 1>lose a tooth are escalated for sure. Apparently Tom Cruise
<v Speaker 1>had to go get dental work.
<v Speaker 2>And there's a dentist in Tulsa that still has the
<v Speaker 2>picture on his wall. Tom Cruise and me, doctor Johnson
<v Speaker 2>whatever get his tooth fixed.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his teeth were pretty bad back then, so it's
<v Speaker 1>word it probably was an improvement. Yeap.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's talk real quick about Steve Randall, who
<v Speaker 2>is Tom Cruise's character. We said he's barely in it, right,
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't do a whole lot. He's Soda Pop's best friend.
<v Speaker 2>They work at the gas station together, but a lot
<v Speaker 2>of his parts were.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of cut down. The gas station, real quick, touch
<v Speaker 1>on that. Yeah, the gas station, the X station. When
<v Speaker 1>I saw that, I was like, dude, I remember that place,
<v Speaker 1>and I took a picture of it because that was
<v Speaker 1>a station that I remember seeing when I was a kid. Right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you've been there. I went there yesterday.
<v Speaker 2>So apparently so for whatever reason, they shot it at
<v Speaker 2>this d X station that's like twenty minutes.
<v Speaker 1>North of Tulsa. I have Sperry, Sperry.
<v Speaker 3>Sperry, Oklahoma, Sperry, Oklahoma, and I drove up there listen
<v Speaker 3>to this, So I'm there at My internet connections not great,
<v Speaker 3>as you might imagine.
<v Speaker 2>Right, I drive to the d X station. It's prominent. Man,
<v Speaker 2>it's right there. As you come to town, I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>holy crap, that's the d X station, right, I pull over.
<v Speaker 2>You can actually go inside there. They got a picture
<v Speaker 2>of Rob Low and a picture of Tom Cruise and
<v Speaker 2>it says Employees of the Month, May nineteen sixty six.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. And it's not an operational gas station, no, no,
<v Speaker 1>but it is. The people of Sperry said, hey, this
<v Speaker 1>is a historic site. We need to renovate this place.
<v Speaker 2>With the help of one Danny Boy O'Connor.
<v Speaker 1>Tune in next week, folks.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, by the way. So I'm standing there and I
<v Speaker 2>look across the street and there's a rex Cell store.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and I'm like, what is this from?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, why do I recognize this?
<v Speaker 1>Right? So I call you, you don't answer. I was working.
<v Speaker 2>I called Deaf Dave, he doesn't answer. I called Jeff Johnson,
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't answer. I get a hold of James Buckley.
<v Speaker 2>He's in home depot, like picking up some nails or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>And I say, hey, man, I'm out in the middle
<v Speaker 2>of nowhere. My internet's not great. Can you help me
<v Speaker 2>google this? Place and he stands there and does it.
<v Speaker 1>He finds it.
<v Speaker 2>He sends me a picture and there's a picture if
<v Speaker 2>you go to our YouTube page. Hopefully I'll have this
<v Speaker 2>video up. But there's a great shot of Dally pony Boy.
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Kaid's right in front of this rex All store,
<v Speaker 2>sitting in.
<v Speaker 1>The back of a car, yep, smoking a cigarette. Yes, fantastic, yeap.
<v Speaker 2>All right, Two more people that we got to talk about. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>Diane Lane as Cherry Valance m Man. So she was
<v Speaker 2>sixteen years old when she did this.
<v Speaker 1>Shut up, now, I got to reconsider everything.
<v Speaker 2>Well, she's beautiful. I mean, let's be real, she's beautiful, right.
<v Speaker 1>I love again. I'm gonna bring Caleb up because he
<v Speaker 1>stayed up here for a while, like talking to us
<v Speaker 1>about the Outsiders, and he was like, yeah, she wasn't pretty.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, shut up what He's like, eh nah, And
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, dude, you need to look again. He's like okay,
<v Speaker 1>and he's and I'm like, search Diane Lane. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute. This is Superman's mom. Superman's mom.
<v Speaker 3>She's old.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, well, what do you do?
<v Speaker 3>I know?
<v Speaker 1>And we we tried, I mean, coll Lee in her prime.
<v Speaker 1>She was made. I told him, he's like she dated
<v Speaker 1>John bon Jovi. Yeah, he goes, well, that is good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Other people considered for the part of Cherry Valance
<v Speaker 2>Sarah Jessica Parker, Helen Slater, Heather Camp.
<v Speaker 1>Brook Shields. Can you see brook Shields? Sure in nineteen
<v Speaker 1>eighty two? Sure? Yeah? Right? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So a little bit more on Diane Lane for you. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So this is what I really found interesting. So again,
<v Speaker 2>Francis port Coppola is putting these guys up to this
<v Speaker 2>behavior during the shooting of the movie, and so he
<v Speaker 2>really wants Matt Dillon under her skin.
<v Speaker 1>She'll probably fall in love with him later.
<v Speaker 2>So during the drive in scene, he's like, bug her, right,
<v Speaker 2>get after her. And so he really did bug her
<v Speaker 2>and it really irritated her, and so she was tense
<v Speaker 2>around Matt Dillon and there was this feeling of tension
<v Speaker 2>between the two of them, which is interesting because they
<v Speaker 2>go on to star in Rubblefish together.
<v Speaker 1>So would we describe that as sexual tension? I would
<v Speaker 1>definitely say sexual tension. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, when I was in Tulca yesterday, the
<v Speaker 2>one place that I wanted to go for Rumblefish was
<v Speaker 2>Patty's house when I got there. It's this private drive
<v Speaker 2>and it was locked. It's a cul de sac, it's
<v Speaker 2>not even really a neighborhood, and they had a gate
<v Speaker 2>and I could not get in. I told you, I
<v Speaker 2>tried to leave my body and like hover. I tried
<v Speaker 2>to hover over Tulsa to look at it, but I
<v Speaker 2>could not get there.
<v Speaker 1>If you don't get that reference, please go watch Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 1>Please go watch it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, really, please go watch Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 1>So here's what's interesting in that that particular scene where
<v Speaker 1>they're in front of Patty's house, right and he's getting
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes out of the back of her car and helping
<v Speaker 1>Ish with groceries and actually stealing some of her cigarettes
<v Speaker 1>at that moment, right right. They shot it a few
<v Speaker 1>times and when they got it to print, there were sprockets,
<v Speaker 1>like the sprockets of the film were showing up in
<v Speaker 1>the cut that they had, and so Francis for Koppe
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, well that sucks. I mean, that's messages
<v Speaker 1>this scene. But it was only in one take, right,
<v Speaker 1>They only showed up in one take. But he's looking
<v Speaker 1>at him. He's like, but that's the best that's the
<v Speaker 1>best take. That's the best take. And so finally he
<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't care. I don't care that the
<v Speaker 1>sprockets are going to show up and it's going to
<v Speaker 1>be a distraction in the audience will just think it's stuff. Well,
<v Speaker 1>they'll think it's like something wrong with the projector. Right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there you go. And so what they didn't realize is
<v Speaker 1>that the same wrong thing with the projector happened in
<v Speaker 1>every theater in the country that was showing the show.
<v Speaker 1>But he was like, it was it was so well done,
<v Speaker 1>they did it so perfectly on that take. I could
<v Speaker 1>not sacrifice it just because it had this issue in it.
<v Speaker 1>And if you watch the DVD, it's not there any
<v Speaker 1>He was confused by that. Yeah, he was like, well,
<v Speaker 1>let's see if it's there. Nope, not there, get to
<v Speaker 1>clean it up. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Diane Lane and Matt Dillon have started
<v Speaker 2>three movies together.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so there's these two.
<v Speaker 2>Outsiders, Rumblefish, and a movie called The Big Town in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that was steamy one.
<v Speaker 2>I consider myself an eighties movie like connoisseur.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about this one. Yeah, I think
<v Speaker 1>that was a steamy one. Okay, interesting. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Tom Cruise went directly to Diane Lane
<v Speaker 2>during the filming of The Outsiders and said, Hey, I'm
<v Speaker 2>doing a movie called Risky Business, and I think he'd
<v Speaker 2>be great to play the part of the prostitute. And
<v Speaker 2>Diane Lane's dad said, no, frigging.
<v Speaker 1>Way, she's sixteen. She's sixteen, right right, yeah, no, sorry,
<v Speaker 1>I'm yes, Okay, keep on going.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, the girl who plays Patty's sister in Rubblefish,
<v Speaker 2>Domino Domino. Yeah, that is Sophia Coppola, the director.
<v Speaker 1>The director, Sofia Coppola, the daughter of Francis Ford Coppola,
<v Speaker 1>and he he admits like she's his favorite, right, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>admits it and real quick on this. So the two
<v Speaker 1>if you see associate producers in the credits, they're both
<v Speaker 1>last names, both Coppola, that's one of them. There's Roman Coppola,
<v Speaker 1>and then there's also Giancarlo Coppola. Giancarlo was his son. Unfortunately,
<v Speaker 1>as much as I like Rumblefish, it was an absolute
<v Speaker 1>financial failure. It was a bomb, yeah, and a financial
<v Speaker 1>failure that came just shortly off the heels of a
<v Speaker 1>musical that was also a financial failure, and so Zoo
<v Speaker 1>Trope went bankrupt. And so while Zo Trump is in
<v Speaker 1>this bankruptcy stage, they like lock everything up, right, they
<v Speaker 1>lock all the doors up. Giancarlo who he called Geo,
<v Speaker 1>that was his name. Yeah, he's twenty something at this point,
<v Speaker 1>you know, early twenties. Yes, he breaks in. This movie
<v Speaker 1>Rumblefish was shot on these Zeist lenses, which are just
<v Speaker 1>incredibly good lenses, and you get so many close ups
<v Speaker 1>in this and it's so crisp and so beautiful in
<v Speaker 1>all this art film style that he's done. And Geo
<v Speaker 1>knows how much his dad loves these lenses and that
<v Speaker 1>they're locked up, so he breaks in and he steals them.
<v Speaker 1>Now that's part one of the story. Part two of
<v Speaker 1>the story is Geo, just three years later, is on
<v Speaker 1>a boat with another young twenty something guy who is
<v Speaker 1>acting in a film that Francis is directing. The guy's
<v Speaker 1>name is Griffin O'Neil I believe. Okay, he's in the
<v Speaker 1>Wraith as well. Okay, anyway, they're on a boat together, speedboat.
<v Speaker 1>Griffin is piloting the boat. He sees two other boats.
<v Speaker 1>He decides to go between the two boats. Don't go
<v Speaker 1>between them, go between them. Yes, so sorry, that's hilarious,
<v Speaker 1>except how this story ends. Oh okay, all right. So
<v Speaker 1>he decides to go between the boats, not realizing that
<v Speaker 1>they're actually tied together. Oh no, he realizes it and
<v Speaker 1>ducks out of the way in time, but Geo does
<v Speaker 1>not what and is killed twenty two years old. He dies.
<v Speaker 1>Who ties boats together? I don't know. I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>and and I mean, I think he I think this
<v Speaker 1>guy got a misdemeanor charge out of the deal out
<v Speaker 1>of it as well, and obviously got fired from the
<v Speaker 1>Francis Ford Coppola. So it's this really very short moment
<v Speaker 1>in the commentary after he has told this story about
<v Speaker 1>Geo going in to steal these lenses that he that
<v Speaker 1>and he's and he's just like, so I still have
<v Speaker 1>the lenses. I don't have my son, but I have.
<v Speaker 1>Then it's horrible and I was and that's all that
<v Speaker 1>he said, and I was just like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 1>what happened to him? And so that is the tragic
<v Speaker 1>story of one of the producers who is also one
<v Speaker 1>of the guys who's in the kind of orgy scene
<v Speaker 1>that they have at the after they break into the
<v Speaker 1>house in the in the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, by the way, just to continue, I thought with
<v Speaker 2>Sophia Coppola. Yeah, she also appears in The Outsiders. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>she's a little bratty girl. It comes up and it
<v Speaker 2>is like bugging Matt Dillon for a nickel. Hey, Master,
<v Speaker 2>you got a nickel, and he's like, go awake it.
<v Speaker 2>I want to that's Francis for Coopla's daughter. And he
<v Speaker 2>you can tell he shines with joy when he sees
<v Speaker 2>young Sophia in his movies.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He he looks at movies. It's the opportunity, just
<v Speaker 1>like home videos, to capture a moment in time. He
<v Speaker 1>and who better to do that with with your than
<v Speaker 1>your own family. Absolutely, And we mentioned in our Godfather
<v Speaker 1>episode she's the baby who's getting christened. That's exactly right. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>all right.
<v Speaker 2>The last guy I want to talk about in depth
<v Speaker 2>is the guy who plays Bob Sheldon. Kay, Yeah, that
<v Speaker 2>was played by Leife Garrett life Life, not Leaf. I
<v Speaker 2>saw him in a interview and he's like, for the record,
<v Speaker 2>yeah it's not Leif long a Leafe Garrett.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Okay, I must be the Viking way to
<v Speaker 1>pronounce it. I don't know, I guess.
<v Speaker 2>So he was the most famous guy out of the
<v Speaker 2>cast when they shot the movie.
<v Speaker 1>That's hysterical, I mean, right, yeah, life, that's for the talent.
<v Speaker 2>He was a seventies like heart throb, like a little popstar.
<v Speaker 1>Interesting.
<v Speaker 2>But the thing was is that he was brought up
<v Speaker 2>as an actor, and managers and stuff said, hey, man,
<v Speaker 2>you're so popular right now.
<v Speaker 1>You're a singer.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, I don't really sing, and they're like,
<v Speaker 2>that's all right, we got all your songs written for you,
<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna go around the world and we're going
<v Speaker 2>to sell records. So they kind of made him like
<v Speaker 2>forced him into singing. He didn't care about any of
<v Speaker 2>this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Huh and uh.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, two thousand and one he declares bankruptcy and he's
<v Speaker 2>had kind of a hard life since this time.
<v Speaker 1>But I thought he.
<v Speaker 2>Did a great job as the ring wearing sous that
<v Speaker 2>beat up Johnny Cad and Johnny Cad.
<v Speaker 1>Ends up killing his famous song, By the Way, I
<v Speaker 1>was made for dancing. Okay, should we listen to that
<v Speaker 1>right here? Okay? Then, and you Haberg here you that's
<v Speaker 1>a little seventies gold for you right there. So that
<v Speaker 1>is the cast of the Outside. Okay, ladies and gentlemen.
<v Speaker 1>That is the end of episode one of the Outsiders
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<v Speaker 1>have interview clips from Danny Boy O'Connor, who runs the
<v Speaker 1>Outsiders Museum and is super familiar. Has a new book
<v Speaker 1>out that just came out last fall on some of
<v Speaker 1>the unknown photographs that occurred on the scenes. Excited to
<v Speaker 1>talk to him about that and the Outsiders Museum itself,
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk more about production, reception, soundtracks, all of
<v Speaker 1>those amazing things. Next episode. We'll see you guys next week.