"Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" (1984) vs. "The Goonies" (1985): Part 2

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so that that scene I want to talk
<v Speaker 3>about that scene, the truffle shovel scene, right, yeah, So
<v Speaker 3>do you remember how they let him in? Because this
<v Speaker 3>is a story of organ that they're filming in and
<v Speaker 3>it was notorious for like you didn't know whether it
<v Speaker 3>was going to be a beautiful sunny day or it
<v Speaker 3>was going to be like a downpour, and they were
<v Speaker 3>in kind of a rainy, crappy situation. And he's all
<v Speaker 3>the way out at the gate and they're up on
<v Speaker 3>the porch.
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember what they do?
<v Speaker 3>They've got like this the wily coyote contraption that does
<v Speaker 3>the stuff that like, you know, the bowling ball and
<v Speaker 3>all this other stuff that aultimately opened the gate for him,
<v Speaker 3>right all right, yeah, okay, So if you look closely
<v Speaker 3>along the stuff along the the way there there is
<v Speaker 3>a little insignia that says Rube G on it. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>Rube G is Rube Goldberg. He was a Pulitzer Prize
<v Speaker 3>winning cartoonist who would do these drawings of these very
<v Speaker 3>elaborate mechanical contraptions that really produced a very simple action.
<v Speaker 2>I love it, Yeah, I love it.
<v Speaker 4>You know what else you see? If you look really closely,
<v Speaker 4>you see chicken pox scars on Chunk Jeffery Cohen because
<v Speaker 4>he had the chicken pox, but he didn't want to
<v Speaker 4>miss the movie, and so he just dealt with the
<v Speaker 4>chicken pox.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he showed up with the chickenpox because he was
<v Speaker 3>afraid to get replaced. That's fantastic. So now there's something else. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>the clothes that they all wear. Oh yeah, it shows
<v Speaker 3>up somewhere else. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you brought this up.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Jurassic Park, that's it. Oh, okay, tell us more
<v Speaker 4>about that.
<v Speaker 2>So the clothes, so you've you've got the Hawaiian shirt.
<v Speaker 2>You've got the.
<v Speaker 3>Members only jacket, right, isn't that what Mouth wears is
<v Speaker 3>the member's only jacket.
<v Speaker 4>Mouth was the member's only jacket.
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, you'll see all of these things. I think it
<v Speaker 3>may be just one guy. It may just be the
<v Speaker 3>what's the Dennis Nedri Yes, the right, yeah, yes, newman.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So all of his clothing options in Jurassic Park
<v Speaker 4>mirror what Chunk wears and the goonies.
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, right, including the raincoat the raincoat. Yeah yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there you go. Throw back to by the way, throw
<v Speaker 3>back to our Jurassic Park versus Jaws episode, which we
<v Speaker 3>did when those movies were number one and number two
<v Speaker 3>in the box office because it was the middle of
<v Speaker 3>COVID and nobody what's going out to the movies unless
<v Speaker 3>it was a drive in movie, and the drive in
<v Speaker 3>movies were only showing the old movies like Jaws and
<v Speaker 3>Jurassic Park. And on that note, the composer for both
<v Speaker 3>of those movies was John Williams. John Williams and John
<v Speaker 3>Williams is obviously also the composer for Indiana Jones and
<v Speaker 3>The Temple of Doom. And instead of just repeating all
<v Speaker 3>that stuff that we said back in our past two episodes,
<v Speaker 3>I would just say, go check out our Jaws Versus
<v Speaker 3>Jurassic Park episode, because I go into a huge, like
<v Speaker 3>a ridiculous rabbit hole amount of information about John Williams
<v Speaker 3>and that one. But unsurprisingly, he came back to do
<v Speaker 3>Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom after having done
<v Speaker 3>Raiders of the Lost Ark and so many other Spielberg movies,
<v Speaker 3>and I mean, it was of course great as always.
<v Speaker 4>Now I will tell you this, Yeah, we looked at this.
<v Speaker 4>So he does an amazing job on Temple of Doom.
<v Speaker 4>Right once again, Short Round has a theme. Willi has
<v Speaker 4>a theme. The Slave Children they have their own theme.
<v Speaker 4>The Temple of Doom has its own theme. Why would
<v Speaker 4>he not just go right into the Goonies and do
<v Speaker 4>the music for the Goonies? We really couldn't find anything.
<v Speaker 3>Except Yeah, I was gonna say, I just thought he's
<v Speaker 3>too expensive. You thought he didn't because he didn't do
<v Speaker 3>anything for a few years after Temple.
<v Speaker 4>Evini did nothing in nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I just thought he was too expensive.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is they didn't know how Goonies was
<v Speaker 3>ultimately going to turn out, because I mean it's full
<v Speaker 3>of people that nobody knew, like thee The only actor
<v Speaker 3>in the whole movie that is recognizable from previous work
<v Speaker 3>is Corey Feldman.
<v Speaker 4>Corey Feldman and Anne Ramsey.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I mean even in Ramsey at that point,
<v Speaker 3>she hadn't done Throw Mama from the Train.
<v Speaker 2>I mean she that's true.
<v Speaker 3>Her most recent work was kind of small part in
<v Speaker 3>Every Which Way You Can Any which Way again, That's right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>John Williams's next project after The Goonies is a Kate
<v Speaker 4>Capshaw movie. Can you name that movie?
<v Speaker 2>Oh?
<v Speaker 3>Crap, No, I don't know anything else space Camp. Oh
<v Speaker 3>of course, Oh, I forgot all about that. She wasn't
<v Speaker 3>even she wasn't blonde in that one?
<v Speaker 4>Was she was not blonde in that one?
<v Speaker 2>Darkened her hair for that movie.
<v Speaker 4>Kate Capshaw, Leah Thompson, Kelly Preston, Yes, and a very
<v Speaker 4>young Joaquin Phoenix.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, by the way, shout out to a film by podcast.
<v Speaker 3>I think it was Jeff and Dave that covered this one,
<v Speaker 3>but they covered space Camp. That was the very first
<v Speaker 3>episode of THEIRS that I listened to back in like
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one, I think. So go check out the
<v Speaker 3>film by podcast and go listen.
<v Speaker 4>To the Space Camp Friends of Our nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so John Williams did not do the music for Goonies.
<v Speaker 3>The guy who did do the music for Goonies is
<v Speaker 3>a guy called Dave Gruesome, yes, who He's done a
<v Speaker 3>lot of good movies and a lot of bad movies.
<v Speaker 3>He for the good movies that he's done. He did Tutsie,
<v Speaker 3>he did on Golden Pond. He did My Bodyguard, which
<v Speaker 3>is a favorite of mine. He used to watch that
<v Speaker 3>on TV all the time when I was a little kid.
<v Speaker 4>Matt Dylan's the bad guy, the bully.
<v Speaker 3>I hated Matt Dilon like forever until there's something about Mary.
<v Speaker 3>I thought Matt Dylan was a dirty, slimmy piece of
<v Speaker 3>crap dude, because he was such a bad in My Bodyguard.
<v Speaker 3>We should cover that sometime. That's a great movie, Absence
<v Speaker 3>of Malice, Three Days of the Condor. He had done
<v Speaker 3>a lot of Sydney Pollock work and firm.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Murder by Death.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, murder by Death. We've kind of got that one
<v Speaker 4>on maybe on deck maybe for this year.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So Murder by Death was nineteen seventy five and it's
<v Speaker 3>about a group of folks getting together and then there's
<v Speaker 3>a murder and they have to solve a mystery inside
<v Speaker 3>of this house, which is almost identical to another nineteen
<v Speaker 3>eighty five movie that everybody loves called Clue. Sounds a
<v Speaker 3>lot like Clue to me, and so we are seriously considered.
<v Speaker 3>I had Peter Sellers in it. I mean, it's it's
<v Speaker 3>it's just crying out. Those two movies are to be compared,
<v Speaker 3>and so I think we got we gotta cover it
<v Speaker 3>maybe around Halloween or.
<v Speaker 2>Something like that. Let's do it now.
<v Speaker 3>What's interesting about the Dave Gruson soundtrack for the Goonies
<v Speaker 3>is that they use the for Telly chase that music
<v Speaker 3>that they do.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, do you know what Fortelly means?
<v Speaker 3>No, it means brothers, so that they're the brothers brothers. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So the chase scene that they have. That music has
<v Speaker 3>been used in a bunch of previews or trailers as
<v Speaker 3>people call them these days, including Interspace and Scrooged, which
<v Speaker 3>we covered versus was it Christmas Vacation?
<v Speaker 4>It was Christmas Vacation, another An Ramsey movie that we
<v Speaker 4>talked about.
<v Speaker 2>That's right there.
<v Speaker 4>You go, wow, well that's really good. Dave Gruson does
<v Speaker 4>a great job with the Goonies. Yeah, but when I
<v Speaker 4>look at his work, nothing else really stands out in
<v Speaker 4>my brain.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well, there was a movie called Scandalous, which was a
<v Speaker 3>four point four rating even though it had.
<v Speaker 4>Robert Hayes in.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Robert Hayes and John Gilgod and yeah, I think
<v Speaker 3>the poster was like everybody was looking for a boom
<v Speaker 3>movie went to that one and was disappointed. And then
<v Speaker 3>people who didn't want to boo a move, who you
<v Speaker 3>didn't go to that one? But then he would go
<v Speaker 3>on just a couple of years after Goonies and do
<v Speaker 3>the infamous ish Tar.
<v Speaker 4>He had a knack of picking some good, some bad,
<v Speaker 4>some good, some bad.
<v Speaker 3>Which I mean, I've heard teary talk about ish Tar
<v Speaker 3>in like high praise, like it was it's not worth
<v Speaker 3>the hate. So I'm really thinking maybe we do well.
<v Speaker 3>What the heck happened with Ishtar?
<v Speaker 4>Why not? I mean, Warren Baby, Dustin Hoffman, what the
<v Speaker 4>heck happened?
<v Speaker 3>Notice that I've got this was a present to me
<v Speaker 3>from mister Jason Chick Magnet my.
<v Speaker 2>Jaws three D.
<v Speaker 3>You dude, I get the girls staring at me when
<v Speaker 3>I wear the shirt. I'm not they do, of course
<v Speaker 3>it is.
<v Speaker 2>It's because everybody secretly loves Jaws three D.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>So those are our two composers.
<v Speaker 3>But in Goonies we also have a lot of pop
<v Speaker 3>music that's coming into play. We've got Ario Speedwagon, We've
<v Speaker 3>got the Bengals and the big song from Cindy Lapper herself.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Steven Spielberg put her kind of in charge of
<v Speaker 4>gathering the talent for the soundtrack.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now I will say this, I did own this soundtrack.
<v Speaker 4>I did like that sineut Lapper song. Yeah, re listening though, Man,
<v Speaker 4>I just typically for me eighty it doesn't matter eighties music.
<v Speaker 4>I love. It doesn't matter. I don't care. It's been
<v Speaker 4>really did an age very well for me.
<v Speaker 2>The video.
<v Speaker 4>The video stinks. It's got Captain Lou Albano and Roddy
<v Speaker 4>Roddy Piper, the run around the goony sets and her
<v Speaker 4>overacting is atrocious.
<v Speaker 3>It is kind of I listened to you listen listen
<v Speaker 3>watching it just a bit ago, and I was just like,
<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, Cindy, just tone it downloadle girl, don't
<v Speaker 3>chew the scenery so much.
<v Speaker 2>But I heard, and I haven't.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch it, but I heard that the part
<v Speaker 3>of Sloth is played by Andre renee Russamov.
<v Speaker 4>You know that, and Andrea the Giant.
<v Speaker 3>Andre the Giant, you got it. I don't know if
<v Speaker 3>that's true or not, but yeah.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I heard. Interesting, okay. On this soundtrack. There's
<v Speaker 2>a couple of notable things on this soundtrack.
<v Speaker 1>Ye.
<v Speaker 4>So there's a song by Philip Bailey, who had a
<v Speaker 4>big hit with Phil Collins in the summer of nineteen
<v Speaker 4>eighty five.
<v Speaker 3>I love that song that was on my list that
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately it got eliminated off the list.
<v Speaker 4>Bazil ever was on my list as.
<v Speaker 3>Well because we had said, hey, we're not going to
<v Speaker 3>do any of the Phil Collins Snowjacker required or the
<v Speaker 3>Genesis songs from eighty five, but that was separate.
<v Speaker 2>It was technically a Bailey. It was Philip Bailey. It's
<v Speaker 2>Philip Bailey song with Phil Collins, although I didn't even
<v Speaker 2>remember that. Somebody else sang the sings.
<v Speaker 3>It's like, hey, Michael Jackson, will you go be a
<v Speaker 3>part of my paranoid video and song?
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, that's the only part people remember. Right.
<v Speaker 4>So Philip Bailey performs a song written by.
<v Speaker 2>Richard Marx oh nice.
<v Speaker 4>In nineteen eighty five, which is pre everything Richard Mars.
<v Speaker 3>We know, right, So the there's you mentioned something to
<v Speaker 3>me and it had to do with one of the
<v Speaker 3>songs and I there's a deleted scene. Okay, yes, so
<v Speaker 3>just just talking about the setup of this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>They filmed most of the Goonies in Astoria, Organ Organ
<v Speaker 3>but they the pirate ship was on like Stage nine
<v Speaker 3>of the Warner Brothers studios.
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's huge. It's a real pirate ship, like they
<v Speaker 2>built it they built it. They built the whole pirate ship,
<v Speaker 2>and all of the action takes place on this pirate ship.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was modeled after a pirate ship in
<v Speaker 2>an Aero Flynn movie. I think the same one where
<v Speaker 2>he slides down the sale with the knife. Okay, but
<v Speaker 2>they had the kids not look at the ship.
<v Speaker 3>They didn't get to see the ship until until they
<v Speaker 3>slid down the water slide part. You know, another cool
<v Speaker 3>perfect kid movie special effect, because who didn't love water
<v Speaker 3>slides back in nineteen eighty five. And so anyway, whenever
<v Speaker 3>they came down, they filmed them to get their true,
<v Speaker 3>real first reaction, which was apparently just as impressive as
<v Speaker 3>they wanted to be, except that Josh Brolin said, and
<v Speaker 3>they're like caught. Damn it, Josh, Okay, let's do it again.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll tell you this too. I watched the commentary. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>Corey Feldman admitted, with Donner present. Yeah, I snuck in
<v Speaker 4>and I saw it. Oh, and you could hear the
<v Speaker 4>disappointment in Donner's voice. Oh no, because that's the thing
<v Speaker 4>is that they kept it from the kids because they
<v Speaker 4>wanted their genuine reaction. And then, of course, you know,
<v Speaker 4>Feldman had snuck around and took a peek.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway back to that scene, there is a deleted.
<v Speaker 4>Scene, very famous deleted scene.
<v Speaker 3>So now if you've seen, if you remember the end
<v Speaker 3>of the movie, Data is talking to the reporters and
<v Speaker 3>he's he's describing what's going on and he's like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>and the octopus is attack and all this, And as
<v Speaker 3>I saw that, I was like, why is he like,
<v Speaker 3>is this just supposed to be Like we're confused on
<v Speaker 3>whether the kids are making this up or is this
<v Speaker 3>just to be supposed to be some sort of kid
<v Speaker 3>behavior that you know, they just embellish everything, even the
<v Speaker 3>most amazing adventure anyone's ever had.
<v Speaker 2>But as it turns out, there.
<v Speaker 3>Was actually an octopus scene in the movie. As they've
<v Speaker 3>come down the water slide. They're in the water making
<v Speaker 3>their way towards the ship and there's a giant monster
<v Speaker 3>octopus in there. It keeps touching Steph's legs.
<v Speaker 4>She thinks it's mouth yeah, and she's lugging her.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she quitted it and he's like, I don't
<v Speaker 3>know what you're talking about, and then it like really
<v Speaker 3>touches her. She turns around and slaps him. And then
<v Speaker 3>when she's bawling him out. Then like the head comes
<v Speaker 3>up and you see these really terrible eyes. It was
<v Speaker 3>not a good not a good effect. But they go down,
<v Speaker 3>you know, and they have an underwater fight scene with it.
<v Speaker 3>And part of the underwater fight scene is there's a
<v Speaker 3>tape like in a tape player that they shove in
<v Speaker 3>the mouth of the octopus.
<v Speaker 4>That's how they defeat the octopus.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so you have a story on what the song
<v Speaker 2>is there, because I don't know what it is.
<v Speaker 4>So the song is called eight Arms to Hold You.
<v Speaker 4>Obviously that has to do with the octopus, right right, Yes,
<v Speaker 4>And if you don't have the octopus, you can't really
<v Speaker 4>play the song eight Arms to Hold You, right.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 4>And Data it's his walkman, which is you know, obviously
<v Speaker 4>a blast from the past, right, and he shoves it
<v Speaker 4>in the beak of the octopus, and that's how they
<v Speaker 4>defeat the octopus. That song is actually pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. The producers got some like studio musicians to just
<v Speaker 2>kind of make this song.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, But here's the here's the trivia question I have.
<v Speaker 4>So they cut that that whole scene, yeah, because they
<v Speaker 4>decided it didn't look good.
<v Speaker 2>It delays it, and it does look terrible.
<v Speaker 4>It looks it looks like an amusement park, right like.
<v Speaker 4>It kind of moves, it jerkily moves.
<v Speaker 3>Through the Not that every special effect in this movie
<v Speaker 3>was flawless, but that one was really cheesy.
<v Speaker 4>I tell you this. I want to talk about the
<v Speaker 4>warts of both of these movies here in a second.
<v Speaker 4>The producers of the and the director of the Goonies
<v Speaker 4>had the good vision to say, it's not working. Let's
<v Speaker 4>get it out of there, right, okay, even though they
<v Speaker 4>spend a bunch of money on it. Yeah, So a
<v Speaker 4>couple of couple of trivia questions for you on this, okay.
<v Speaker 4>So number one, when the Disney Channel showed The Goonies
<v Speaker 4>way back when they cut out all the objectionable stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Right right, cuss words and cuss words and staring at
<v Speaker 3>the panties and stuff stuff like that.
<v Speaker 4>And so it shranked the movie so much that they
<v Speaker 4>had to fill that gap, and they filled that gap
<v Speaker 4>with the octopus scene. So there is a generation who
<v Speaker 4>when they watched The Goonies, the octopus scene was just
<v Speaker 4>a part of their movie watching experience.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, no, I that was not me.
<v Speaker 4>Right, I didn't see it either I.
<v Speaker 3>Saw it in the theater and I probably saw it
<v Speaker 3>on like cable, like on hptail or something, Showtime or something.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I think I was aware of that octopus scene through
<v Speaker 4>like Mad magazine or something like. I kind of knew
<v Speaker 4>about it, right, And of course I like that song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Now here's my trivia question for you.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>The Beatles had a movie that was later called Help.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>The working title of that movie, yes, eight arms to
<v Speaker 4>hold you?
<v Speaker 1>What?
<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking of the Beatles, yes, what did the boyfriend
<v Speaker 3>Octopus say to the girlfriend Octopus?
<v Speaker 2>But I want to hold your hand? Hand hand hand, hand,
<v Speaker 2>hand hand.
<v Speaker 4>Okay? Awesome.
<v Speaker 3>That was from a joke book from when I was
<v Speaker 3>like seven years old. Again, I believe that came together
<v Speaker 3>forty two years later.
<v Speaker 4>We're not above dad jokes on this podcast.
<v Speaker 2>That's great.
<v Speaker 4>I want to talk about another scene that was deleted
<v Speaker 4>from The Goonies.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, is it the convenience store scene where we see
<v Speaker 3>brand for the first time.
<v Speaker 4>That is not the scene I was going to talk about.
<v Speaker 4>We can talk about that scene if you want to.
<v Speaker 2>No, it's fine. I mean, they're yeah.
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a redundant thing where they run into
<v Speaker 4>troy A in a convenience store and he's he's going
<v Speaker 4>to beat up the little guys and brand stops him
<v Speaker 4>and says, nobody hits my brother, but me right, we
<v Speaker 4>don't really need it, and it just slows everything down, right.
<v Speaker 4>But there was another scene that was filmed. There are
<v Speaker 4>pictures of this, like stills, but the film does not exist.
<v Speaker 4>It's been lost to the hands of time whatever, right,
<v Speaker 4>but you can kind of maybe there's some reference to
<v Speaker 4>it anyway. It's when they're underneath and they're they're pushing
<v Speaker 4>the pipes.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, when they see there's ridiculous stuff.
<v Speaker 4>Going on like those three stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 3>The water fountain is going up and down and stuff. Yes, yes,
<v Speaker 3>is they're screaming let me out, let me out.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 4>But during that scene that was supposed to cause all
<v Speaker 4>these gorillas to get loose from the zoo.
<v Speaker 2>Oh the gorillas, right, yes, yeah yeah yeah.
<v Speaker 4>And like then they had like gorillas driving cars and
<v Speaker 4>just totally ridiculous.
<v Speaker 3>This was this was Spielberg's motorcycle on the China Wall
<v Speaker 3>into the Lost World, like he was obsessed about having
<v Speaker 3>this scene in there, and Dick Donner was like Steve,
<v Speaker 3>you love this so much, I really think you should
<v Speaker 3>fill all of those scenes. And they were all filmed right,
<v Speaker 3>Like there's you know, car crashing into a boat, that
<v Speaker 3>the gorillas, they steal red stuff, they steal red golf cart,
<v Speaker 3>they steal Troy's red car. I mean, it's just it's
<v Speaker 3>a comedy silliness like Abbott and Costello. That fortunately, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that was along with the Octopus a wise cut.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it was a wise cut.
<v Speaker 3>So on that note, just the direction of the movie.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Dick Donner directed it, but Sean Aston in
<v Speaker 3>his book There and Back Again called it a co
<v Speaker 3>direction of those two. Like Spielberg was directing at least
<v Speaker 3>half of the movie and Dick Donner was directing the
<v Speaker 3>other half.
<v Speaker 4>Makes sense. Sure they're two masters.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's pretty seamless.
<v Speaker 4>Well, and Spielberg has a habit of stepping in on
<v Speaker 4>his production. I mean Poltergeist, Toby Hooper is listed as
<v Speaker 4>the director, right at all, Right, I'm pretty sure Spielberg
<v Speaker 4>directed most of that movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Okay, so tho. You know, we talked
<v Speaker 3>about the deleted scenes from Goonyes. Let's talk about the
<v Speaker 3>deleted scenes from Temple of Doom.
<v Speaker 2>I think that somebody believes the good luck Crock from
<v Speaker 2>this village is one of the last on Carrastones Fortune
<v Speaker 2>and Glory, Kid, Fortune and Glory.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So I don't know if you know this,
<v Speaker 3>but like this movie is very much a remake of Gungaden.
<v Speaker 3>Like that, it's almost it's almost a beat by beat
<v Speaker 3>recreation of Gungaden. Now, when we listen to Steven Spielberg,
<v Speaker 3>we're both listening to the commentary or the behind the
<v Speaker 3>scenes at the same time. Spielberg says it was a
<v Speaker 3>direct homage, which is what you say, instead of copy
<v Speaker 3>of Gungaden. But there it's almost a spot on match.
<v Speaker 3>But the scene, I mean, if you watch it, there's
<v Speaker 3>the they have the big group of turbine wearing people
<v Speaker 3>who are all seem to be revering this big statue.
<v Speaker 3>You know, very similar stuff. But you've got this. You
<v Speaker 3>got this part in the movie where Short Round or
<v Speaker 3>Short Round, he's like, I love you and he doesn't,
<v Speaker 3>you know, he doesn't want to do this, but he
<v Speaker 3>burns Indy and that wakes him up right. Well, there's
<v Speaker 3>a scene right before that where he's down there with
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the slave kids, right, and he sees
<v Speaker 3>a guard catch on fire somehow. I don't know what
<v Speaker 3>causes the fire, but when the guard catches on fire,
<v Speaker 3>he snaps out of the spell and he becomes nice again, right, okay,
<v Speaker 3>And so he's like, that's how, that's how he knows
<v Speaker 3>that the fire is secured to the problem, right. And
<v Speaker 3>then of course after that scene, they are able to
<v Speaker 3>free you know, you have the big fight scene with
<v Speaker 3>pat Roach again, and then they're able to free all
<v Speaker 3>of the kids.
<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, those kids, I mean, they weren't just chained
<v Speaker 2>like they they're captive inside of that cave. So what
<v Speaker 2>they do is they build a bridge across that canyon
<v Speaker 2>for them to run across. But then obviously short round,
<v Speaker 2>Indy and Willy are all left behind. What happens is
<v Speaker 2>the bridge catches on fire and like the last kid
<v Speaker 2>makes it across, but then they're stuck there, which is
<v Speaker 2>why they have to use the.
<v Speaker 3>The carts to get out when they could have easily.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, all the kids get out, right, and they
<v Speaker 3>don't have to go through those tunnels.
<v Speaker 2>They that's makes sense, now, Okay, I'll get out.
<v Speaker 4>And that's a question that I've never really even asked myself, like,
<v Speaker 4>Indie Short, Round and Willy barely escape with their lives,
<v Speaker 4>but also the children kind of make it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all the kids make it out by going through
<v Speaker 3>the front door, but somehow they have to go out
<v Speaker 3>through the back exit, which is a hole in the
<v Speaker 3>side of a sheer cliff.
<v Speaker 4>We didn't need all that, you know, we didn't need
<v Speaker 4>all that stuff, So I'm glad that they cut that
<v Speaker 4>and the goonies too.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 3>The other cut scene was where Willy, like she almost
<v Speaker 3>makes it out and she comes in contact with the
<v Speaker 3>Prime Minister and she starts explaining how the things, you know,
<v Speaker 3>this is all all going on, and that's when we
<v Speaker 3>realize that the Prime Minister is in on it with
<v Speaker 3>everybody else, and that's how she's back captive again.
<v Speaker 2>But they just cut all that out.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's fine, fine, Yeah, just streamline the action for
<v Speaker 4>us and let's have a good time.
<v Speaker 2>Wise cuts.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Now, I will say that there's some ridiculousness that
<v Speaker 4>made it in both movies that I want to talk
<v Speaker 4>about with you, But I just kind of want to
<v Speaker 4>go down some of these scenes because I really want
<v Speaker 4>your opinion. Let's flip back to Temple of Doom for
<v Speaker 4>just a second.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're on Temple to Doom.
<v Speaker 4>But okay, let's stay on.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 4>The opening scene, yes, where Harrison Ford in a tuxedo
<v Speaker 4>looks like Sean Connery and Goldfinger and pose. Yes, it's
<v Speaker 4>absolutely on purpose. And he's in Shanghai and he's there
<v Speaker 4>to exchange the remains of Narachi, yes for the diamond.
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Okay.
<v Speaker 4>Now, then that diamond is called.
<v Speaker 2>The Peacocks I okay.
<v Speaker 4>Which is investigated further in one of the young Indiana
<v Speaker 4>Jones chronicles that I've never seen.
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so I haven't seen it.
<v Speaker 4>I can't speak to it, but apparently that does make
<v Speaker 4>its way into other Indiana Jones entertainment.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, interesting this.
<v Speaker 3>I knew that Marvel had done some comic books with this.
<v Speaker 3>They had done Raiders, and then they did with this
<v Speaker 3>one as well, and one of the covers. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it's freaking awesome. I would love to have this comic book.
<v Speaker 3>It looks like it could have been the movie poster,
<v Speaker 3>it's so good.
<v Speaker 2>But they did.
<v Speaker 3>They've done some other Indiana Jones adventures that are were
<v Speaker 3>never movies.
<v Speaker 2>If you you know, hey fans, if you have that
<v Speaker 2>comic book.
<v Speaker 3>We would love to take a look and just know
<v Speaker 3>what the storyline is, because I would, I mean further
<v Speaker 3>Indiana Jones Adventures to count me in, right, yeah, one
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent.
<v Speaker 4>What did you think about the opening scene? The diamond,
<v Speaker 4>the lazy Susan, the crime boss, the ice, all that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I thought it was unnecessary.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it just really all it is is how
<v Speaker 3>we get in contact with you know, how Willie meets
<v Speaker 3>up and gets tied up with Indy and that's it,
<v Speaker 3>you know. And I don't know why, like George Lucas
<v Speaker 3>wanted this big busby Berkeley style musical to intro the movie.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why, but I guess, I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>guess those were the movies that they grew up with,
<v Speaker 3>and I could totally I would pay homage to some other,
<v Speaker 3>you know, director from the eighties if I was making
<v Speaker 3>a movie, I would definitely do that.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean the song was fine and it
<v Speaker 2>was just yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so let let's talk about that for a second.
<v Speaker 4>I told you trivia question the other day. Okay, one
<v Speaker 4>of the dancing girls, right, yeah, one of the dancing girls.
<v Speaker 4>This is for deaf Dave and Jeff Johnson because they're
<v Speaker 4>such big fans.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think everybody knows who she is.
<v Speaker 4>She's number one on everybody's hit list right now. It's
<v Speaker 4>Kathleen Kennedy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who was a force to be reckoned with for
<v Speaker 3>many years and did many great things. It's just that
<v Speaker 3>everything seems to have fallen part now that she's head
<v Speaker 3>of Disney.
<v Speaker 4>That's right. So Kathleen Kennedy is one of the dancing
<v Speaker 4>girls in Anything Goes Opener.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 3>Side note on that Kate Capshaw had trained, because she's
<v Speaker 3>not a dancer, had trained for weeks and weeks to
<v Speaker 3>get the choreography right on this thing. And when they
<v Speaker 3>gave her the dress, which was made from like real
<v Speaker 3>jewels and gems and other stuff from the nineteen thirties,
<v Speaker 3>it was so tight that she couldn't do any of
<v Speaker 3>the choreography, which is why you don't see her dancing
<v Speaker 3>around with the other girls.
<v Speaker 2>Now.
<v Speaker 3>The other little known thing is this was the second
<v Speaker 3>time the dress was used in the movie, even though
<v Speaker 3>it was the first time you see it. It was
<v Speaker 3>the second time they used it in filming. The first
<v Speaker 3>time they used it in filming, it was hanging when
<v Speaker 3>they were out in the wilderness with the elephant, and
<v Speaker 3>you know, ultimately the snake it was hanging up to
<v Speaker 3>be dried. Right Well, they didn't realize it, but the
<v Speaker 3>elephant was eating these jewels and gems from the nineteen
<v Speaker 3>thirties eight eight the back of the dress like significantly
<v Speaker 3>to where you.
<v Speaker 2>Won't see it. You won't see it in the opening scene.
<v Speaker 3>Because they had to quick redo everything because it had
<v Speaker 3>ruined the dress, and they had to do an insurance
<v Speaker 3>claim on this, and some you know, some poor props
<v Speaker 3>guy had to write on the insurance claim form elepant
<v Speaker 3>by an elephant.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, what else do you say?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to talk to you about this because I
<v Speaker 4>love this opening scene. Okay, I don't love anything goes
<v Speaker 4>and the dancing girls. I could do without that. I
<v Speaker 4>think it's I think that is Steven Spielberg just kind
<v Speaker 4>of flexing his muscles a little bit. Yeah, and pay
<v Speaker 4>you homage to some earlier stuff.
<v Speaker 3>At that point, he had just said I always wanted
<v Speaker 3>to do a musical number and this was a great opportunity.
<v Speaker 3>Obviously he went on more recently direct West Side Story, Right, So.
<v Speaker 4>But I love Indy and a tuxedo. Yes, I love
<v Speaker 4>the lazy Susan. I think that it's tense right there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>and you know, it's the diamond, it's the it's the
<v Speaker 4>remains of Narachi, the antidote.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the drink, the drink.
<v Speaker 3>It's all very careful, like you can see the the
<v Speaker 3>clockwork happening.
<v Speaker 4>It's so and it's and then all of a sudden
<v Speaker 4>boom out of out your left hand corner. It's Indy's
<v Speaker 4>Chinese buddy who's got a gun and good service around here,
<v Speaker 4>you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and what was his name, Wuhan, Wuhan, Wuhan, Yes,
<v Speaker 2>wonder where he was from. I don't know that he
<v Speaker 2>expired before the disease happened, I guess, But.
<v Speaker 4>I do love the scene where India is on the
<v Speaker 4>ground trying to get the antidote. Willie's looking for the diamond.
<v Speaker 4>They spill the ice, and then all the while the
<v Speaker 4>Chinese mob is trying to kill him with machine guns.
<v Speaker 4>You got falling balloon, you got the dancing girls, and
<v Speaker 4>then the rolling gong when he is, you know, hiding
<v Speaker 4>behind the rolling gong. I thought all of that was
<v Speaker 4>super exciting and very very raiders esque, you know, very
<v Speaker 4>Indie worthy. Now, when they fall out of the window
<v Speaker 4>and they land with short round, Indy is blasting his
<v Speaker 4>gun and then he hands it to Willie who it's hot,
<v Speaker 4>and she drops the gun that pissed me off in
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty four and it still bothers me. He goes
<v Speaker 4>basically the entire movie without his gun, which was a
<v Speaker 4>problem for me.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so.
<v Speaker 4>Now we have made mention that he does run into
<v Speaker 4>dan Aykroyd, who guides him onto an airplane owned by Laucha.
<v Speaker 4>Right now, we did find out why dan Ackroyd was
<v Speaker 4>in this movie. It's because he was repaying the favor
<v Speaker 4>where Steven Spielberg actually does a cameo in the Blues Brothers.
<v Speaker 2>How about that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like eating a sandwich, like the place is closed.
<v Speaker 4>It says something like be back in five minutes.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's like trying to not let him in. I
<v Speaker 3>can't remember what the emergency was, but they needed to
<v Speaker 3>be in there, and he was just like a slow
<v Speaker 3>clerk at this place.
<v Speaker 2>Right.
<v Speaker 4>So, and he takes the airplane up and they're flying.
<v Speaker 4>You're doing kind of the map thing again. Yes, we
<v Speaker 4>know it's owned by the crime Lord Lauche the pilot's
<v Speaker 4>bail out, and now our heroes are in trouble, and
<v Speaker 4>so they inflate a air raft and use it like
<v Speaker 4>a parachute and they fall and nobody gets hurt.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm making this up as I go,
<v Speaker 2>so you're not buying that.
<v Speaker 4>I don't like that at all.
<v Speaker 3>So here's the thing I would really love to know,
<v Speaker 3>because it's it's a continuous shot, like you see it
<v Speaker 3>come out of the plane and you see the continuous
<v Speaker 3>shot and literally, I'm not kidding. As we were watching this,
<v Speaker 3>my kids said, can they really do that? And I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 3>they didn't have CGI back then. Now, of course you
<v Speaker 3>get some of those other scenes with like the guy's
<v Speaker 3>heart getting taken out or the guys falling to their death,
<v Speaker 3>you know, with the crocodiles. And then they're like, well
<v Speaker 3>was that CGI, dad? And I'm like, well, no, but
<v Speaker 3>that was a green screen, so you know no. But
<v Speaker 3>but I mean, if you watched that scene.
<v Speaker 2>It really looks like they pulled it off. Like I
<v Speaker 2>don't know how.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how high up or how low more precisely,
<v Speaker 3>the plane would have to be. But if you know
<v Speaker 3>that you're going to land on relatively soft snow and
<v Speaker 3>that the raft has some certain amount of wind resistance.
<v Speaker 2>I really you know you.
<v Speaker 3>We talked on our last episode about the MIT guys
<v Speaker 3>who had done the bridge cutting physics and how everybody
<v Speaker 3>would have probably died when they hit the wall from
<v Speaker 3>the swing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I would approach those guys and go, Okay, guys, what
<v Speaker 3>what about the what about the raft falling from the plane?
<v Speaker 4>Would that work if you if you wanted to step
<v Speaker 4>out this window right here, uh huh and jump out
<v Speaker 4>with a raft?
<v Speaker 2>See, it doesn't have enough time to inflate though.
<v Speaker 4>Anyway.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, there is snow on the ground right now, so
<v Speaker 3>it might work. But you also got the incline because
<v Speaker 3>it's not like a hit and stop, it's a hit
<v Speaker 3>and slide.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, it might work. I'm not buying it.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I thought it was a good effect.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So they drift into basically they land in the mountains,
<v Speaker 4>and they land, they slide down a mountain and end
<v Speaker 4>up in India.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, there's some.
<v Speaker 4>Geography questions here. So another scene I want to talk
<v Speaker 4>to you about, Okay, the chilled monkey brains snake Surprise yes,
<v Speaker 4>that whole thing. What do you think about that?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? I love it? Do you? Oh? Yeah, I absolutely
<v Speaker 2>love it.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I mean it was it grossed me out and
<v Speaker 3>it's but I mean it's it's great comedy. It's probably
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe offensive to people who actually like good
<v Speaker 3>Indian food.
<v Speaker 2>And I love good Indian food. But I mean, really,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, do they eat chilled monkey brains in India?
<v Speaker 2>Do they eat living snakes? I don't think so, right,
<v Speaker 2>But it's just kind of fun.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean in some cultures, maybe not the
<v Speaker 3>Indian culture, but they eat you know, I've seen Japanese
<v Speaker 3>people eating octopus that it's still alive and like trying
<v Speaker 3>to hold on as it's good getting swallowed. So it's
<v Speaker 3>not that far off of something that could have happened
<v Speaker 3>back in the nineteen thirties India.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the bugs, STEVENS.
<v Speaker 4>Bilberg said, inside those rubber bugs. Yeah, it was custard. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>so no big deal for people to write slurp the custard.
<v Speaker 4>That scene was used in place of a like a
<v Speaker 4>tiger hunt thing that they had planned.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, good call on that one, you think so, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Because like I think people would have been a I mean,
<v Speaker 3>even in the nineteen eighties there was a big cruelty
<v Speaker 3>to animals thing going on. I don't think anybody would
<v Speaker 3>have been behind a let's have the hero hunt a tiger.
<v Speaker 2>I think.
<v Speaker 3>The other great part about the dinner scene is the
<v Speaker 3>reaction of Willie and Short Round. I mean, I thought
<v Speaker 3>it was comedy. It give me your hat, yeah, right,
<v Speaker 3>and he drops the piece of candy out of his
<v Speaker 3>mouth as he's watching what's going on?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I thought it was I thought it was funny.
<v Speaker 4>Actually, there's another scene or another conversation at that dinner
<v Speaker 4>table where there Indy insults the Prime Minister and he's like,
<v Speaker 4>weren't you in trouble for grave robbing doctor Jones? And
<v Speaker 4>he's like, I seem to remember them cutting off your hands,
<v Speaker 4>possibly as a punishment. He's like, no, no, it wasn't
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't my hands.
<v Speaker 2>Right, it was, and miss it was my misunderstand.
<v Speaker 4>That was funny as well, Right, So that scene I
<v Speaker 4>think I think had some merit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>What about when Willie and Indie and Short Round and
<v Speaker 4>they go back and they find the hidden cavern in
<v Speaker 4>her bedroom?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which hands on the boots I'm right here.
<v Speaker 4>Which I wanted to just bring this up real quick
<v Speaker 4>before we move on to that Indy was about to
<v Speaker 4>have Willy Scott Nine Ways to Sunday. Yes, I'm not
<v Speaker 4>so sure that Willie Scott is not underappreciated as an
<v Speaker 4>indie girl. Okay, I'm I'm not so sure that Marian.
<v Speaker 2>Steven Spielberg appreciated her exactly.
<v Speaker 4>Everybody I talked to always puts Marian in the number
<v Speaker 4>one spot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not so sure.
<v Speaker 3>Willie, Well, Marian was tough and girl next door. Willie
<v Speaker 3>is a high maintenance screamer and you know true damsel
<v Speaker 3>in distress, and Elsa is a Nazi sympathizer. So it's
<v Speaker 3>you know, it sounds like Marian wins.
<v Speaker 4>Marian also has alcohol problems.
<v Speaker 2>Well, you called the problems and.
<v Speaker 4>Domestic violence problems. What do you think about the scene.
<v Speaker 4>What do you think about the scene where Indian short
<v Speaker 4>round get trapped into this room where spikes and the
<v Speaker 4>ceilings lowering, their going to get crushed and stabbed. Yes,
<v Speaker 4>and Willie's got to make her way through these bugs
<v Speaker 4>to release them, and the whole time they're going let
<v Speaker 4>us out.
<v Speaker 2>She's like us fantastic filmmaking. I loved it.
<v Speaker 4>It's a good scene.
<v Speaker 2>It's great. Yeah, the tension that's building, the comedy.
<v Speaker 3>We are going to die, the spike going through his hat,
<v Speaker 3>and then the beauty is once she gets in, she
<v Speaker 3>sets off the trap herself. Now I was watching this
<v Speaker 3>is a this is an interesting thing that happened a
<v Speaker 3>month or two ago. I was down visiting my brother
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, you know, best intro scene in a
<v Speaker 3>movie and he gives I don't remember which the movie,
<v Speaker 3>what movie he gives me, but I was like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>probably number one. Number one is Dark Knight, the bank
<v Speaker 3>robbery scene. I would say, probably the best opening scene.
<v Speaker 3>And then I said my number two has to be
<v Speaker 3>Raiders of Lost Dark fantastic opening scene, right. And as
<v Speaker 3>we're watching it's he's like, I can remember watching this
<v Speaker 3>with mom in the theater and he has to grab
<v Speaker 3>his hat at the last minute, and it's not his.
<v Speaker 2>Hat, it's his whip. It's his whip. Right.
<v Speaker 3>Well, then fast forward a few weeks I'm watching Temple
<v Speaker 3>of Doom. That scene happens where she sets off the
<v Speaker 3>trap again. They have to dive under the closing door
<v Speaker 3>before they actually do get.
<v Speaker 2>Spiked, and it's his hat that time. Love it, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 4>That seems great. And in fact, the look on his
<v Speaker 4>face when she finally releases the lever, he is so
<v Speaker 4>pissed at her, and then he doesn't even have time
<v Speaker 4>to address it before she sets off the trap again.
<v Speaker 4>Exactly by the way Kate Capshaw had to take valume
<v Speaker 4>when they covered her with all of these bugs.
<v Speaker 2>That was legit.
<v Speaker 4>They covered her with tons of bugs.
<v Speaker 3>Well, she kind of did that scene because she had
<v Speaker 3>refused to do a similar snake type scene where she
<v Speaker 3>was covered with snakes. She was like, I guess I
<v Speaker 3>didn't really read the sides on the script or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't looking closely, but she couldn't handle the snakes.
<v Speaker 3>And then I like that scene where the elephant keeps
<v Speaker 3>bothering her as they're kind of camped out and with
<v Speaker 3>the trunk, and then she grabs that.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was a real snake.
<v Speaker 3>She grabs that thing and flings it, and I was like, dang, girl,
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have guessed you scared of snakes.
<v Speaker 2>But she did a heck of a job with it.
<v Speaker 2>Was good.
<v Speaker 4>It was good. All right, let's talk about the human
<v Speaker 4>sacrifice Slash Black death thing. Okay, Yes, how's that scene
<v Speaker 4>work for you? As far as the reaching in pulling
<v Speaker 4>out the heart, the heart's on fire and the guy
<v Speaker 4>is still alive.
<v Speaker 3>All that stuff iconic, very memorable, scary, I mean a
<v Speaker 3>little bit I was. I don't remember being like terrified
<v Speaker 3>at that, Okay, I just kind of think it.
<v Speaker 2>Thought it was cool, I guess. Yeah, when I was
<v Speaker 2>nine ten years old.
<v Speaker 4>I liked the effect of when he pulls the heart
<v Speaker 4>out it catches fire. Yes, I thought that was like,
<v Speaker 4>this guy is next to Dartha. This guy is as
<v Speaker 4>scary as they come.
<v Speaker 3>Oh dude, great bad was awesome? Okay, So that actually
<v Speaker 3>brings me to something. I'm gonna interrupt your scene comparison
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna grab my phone because I found something
<v Speaker 3>that that you're gonna love. Ok Okay, okay, So disclaimer,
<v Speaker 3>this is off of a Reddit page, so somebody could
<v Speaker 3>completely be making this up. But what I read it,
<v Speaker 3>it does seems to be accurate.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. In the sacrifice scene, right agar KHOI hi to
<v Speaker 2>mehu bacho if anyone's there, save me? Oh okay, okay.
<v Speaker 3>And he's like kum kumah hey bacho, somebody somebody saved me.
<v Speaker 3>And then he starts chanting, I'm na shivah yah, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not sivaya, I'm not siva ya.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that is shiva hin. Do God protect me? Right?
<v Speaker 4>Yes?
<v Speaker 3>Then Mola Ram is saying bi out ou gay you
<v Speaker 3>will be sacrificed. Then he says Bali mangti kalim that
<v Speaker 3>is mother Kali desire, desires, an offering, and then mukti
<v Speaker 3>diggi khalima, mother Kali will bring salvation Kalima, mother Kali.
<v Speaker 3>And then he repeats it, you know, three times. And
<v Speaker 3>when he's holding up this, when he's holding up the heart,
<v Speaker 3>he says, Bali chadu traga, I offer this sacrifice before you,
<v Speaker 3>and he says abiski John Mary Muti man hi. Now
<v Speaker 3>his life is in my hands. Okay, it's all of
<v Speaker 3>that scene, right, But what I wanted to bring to
<v Speaker 3>you was the question that you posed in our last episode. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>that your Chinese friends did not know what they were speaking, right,
<v Speaker 3>That's what was the reason that they gave.
<v Speaker 2>They either spoke Mandarin or Cantonese and they suspected that
<v Speaker 2>that was in the other language, whatever it was.
<v Speaker 3>Right, So what's interesting on this note, because we know
<v Speaker 3>that what Indy says to short Round is Choo chi
<v Speaker 3>la tousn right, Yes, that's right. And in the parentheses
<v Speaker 3>on this translation it goes Mandarin and Cantonese. So maybe
<v Speaker 3>it's like this mixture. Uh so Chao they think is
<v Speaker 3>Shorty's real name. That's the first word, Choo is Shorty's
<v Speaker 3>real name. And then she allows Hoo's son hold on
<v Speaker 3>tell her.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so there you go.
<v Speaker 4>That's interesting. Okay, very good. I will tell you I
<v Speaker 4>talked to another Chinese guy at my church because I
<v Speaker 4>played it for him as well. Yeah, okay, this is
<v Speaker 4>the past Sunday and he said, you know how when
<v Speaker 4>Chinese people speak English, they can't really I can't really
<v Speaker 4>understand them. Yes, because it works both ways.
<v Speaker 2>Right, that makes sense? That makes sense? Yes, okay.
<v Speaker 4>Finally, the last scene I want to bring to your
<v Speaker 4>attention is the mine cart scene. How do you feel
<v Speaker 4>about that scene? The mine cart into the bridge?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it doesn't make any sense, it's ridiculous, that
<v Speaker 3>defies the law of physics. But for a nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 3>five movie when I'm ten years old, it's thrill ride.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely love yeah, it's like a roller coaster in the
<v Speaker 4>middle of the movie. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, Ben Burt, who did the sound
<v Speaker 3>on this, he got the sound from a roller coaster
<v Speaker 3>at Disneyland.
<v Speaker 4>Oh beautiful.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, love it.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, so that's Teblo doom. Yes, let's flip over
<v Speaker 4>to Goonies. I want to talk about some scenes and
<v Speaker 4>Goonies with you, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Real quick.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're in the middle of this thing. We're in
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the episode and we have not yet
<v Speaker 3>mentioned this. I mean Indiana Jones. We've got five movies, right,
<v Speaker 3>five and Goonies, which I mean a fantastic treasure Hunt
<v Speaker 3>movie that everybody loved, did really well.
<v Speaker 2>No sequels.
<v Speaker 4>Or is that?
<v Speaker 3>Until now, within this last week, they have made an
<v Speaker 3>official announcement that there will be a Goonies sequel. Now
<v Speaker 3>I've heard, you know, I've heard Chris Columbus talk about
<v Speaker 3>this many times, like I would want to be a
<v Speaker 3>part of it because these are my babies. And obviously
<v Speaker 3>he knows what he's doing, he knows how to write kids.
<v Speaker 3>But how do you how do you make a movie?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, those guys are now in their.
<v Speaker 4>Fifties, right, right, yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 3>And so how do you make a movie with those
<v Speaker 3>fifty year old guys that also appeals to the kids, Like,
<v Speaker 3>how does how does that all work out? I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>but I'm excited. I'm excited for the possibilities.
<v Speaker 4>I will tell you this. I was super excited when
<v Speaker 4>you sent that to him. I'm like, oh, yes, finally
<v Speaker 4>Goony sequel. That's fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I see stuff pup on my phone all
<v Speaker 3>the time and I'm like, yeah, okay, We've been hearing
<v Speaker 3>that for years, but.
<v Speaker 2>This was like on it, like official. It was like,
<v Speaker 2>good morning America.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've been just just to temper our expectations. You
<v Speaker 4>and I have discussed the possibility of Danny Glover and
<v Speaker 4>Mel Gibson making another lethal weapon movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, and Dick Donner was on board with
<v Speaker 3>that until he just passed away a couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 4>And we just released our Young Guns Versus Tombstone.
<v Speaker 3>Oh right, and we talked about in there that hey,
<v Speaker 3>there was going to be it was supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>the next year.
<v Speaker 2>And that was like three years ago, right, so you
<v Speaker 2>never know.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Okay, a couple of scenes I want to talk
<v Speaker 4>to you about in The Goonies. Ok yeah, look, how's that?
<v Speaker 2>How's that?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>You idiot?
<v Speaker 4>Up down?
<v Speaker 2>If God meant to do it that way, it'll be
<v Speaker 2>pissing in your faces.
<v Speaker 4>Obviously we talked about the truffle shuffle. I think Jeff
<v Speaker 4>Cohen was embarrassed to do that. They cleared the set
<v Speaker 4>for him, and it is literally the most iconic scene
<v Speaker 4>it is.
<v Speaker 3>It is very iconic, which it's kind of funny to me.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, they clear the set for when frequently when
<v Speaker 3>women or men have to get naked in a movie, right,
<v Speaker 3>but you're capturing that moment on film for thousands and
<v Speaker 3>thousands of people to watch. Does it really matter if
<v Speaker 3>the guy holding the boomstick is still there?
<v Speaker 2>I mean really not really?
<v Speaker 1>No.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, By the way, I just had a thought. It
<v Speaker 4>has been said and I've read and I've heard, and
<v Speaker 4>I agree with the fact that The Goonies is essentially
<v Speaker 4>a Raiders type adventure for children.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Would it be fair to say that both of these
<v Speaker 4>movies the heroes are after Willie's treasure? Oh?
<v Speaker 2>What very funny.
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Okay, I did want to mention I came across
<v Speaker 4>a cool little trivia nugget on when they find the
<v Speaker 4>body of Chester copper Pot. Yeah, okay, they find the
<v Speaker 4>key which allows them to continue on their adventure at
<v Speaker 4>some later point, righty, I.
<v Speaker 3>Mean this is this is so much the first scene
<v Speaker 3>of Raiders of the Lost Dark, where you've got all
<v Speaker 3>of these booby traps, booty traps, booty traps.
<v Speaker 4>What I said, I said it booby hey booty trap.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Chester Copper Pot has been crushed by a rock.
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember who they were, who the first guy
<v Speaker 3>into the cave was, but obviously he had the spikes
<v Speaker 3>go through him, right, verifying scene.
<v Speaker 4>Forestal, Yes, yes, But when Mikey is looking through his wallet, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>he comes across his driver's license, which says Chester Copper Pot.
<v Speaker 4>But he also pulls out a baseball card.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>That baseball card is a Lugarrett card worth two hundred
<v Speaker 4>and seventy five thousand dollars.
<v Speaker 2>Right now, we're back in eighty five.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think right now that card would be worth
<v Speaker 4>two hundred and seventy five.
<v Speaker 2>Thous Okay, and what happens to the baseball card?
<v Speaker 4>I wonder if that was enough to save the goon
<v Speaker 4>docs right at that moment, you know.
<v Speaker 2>If a handful of little jewels was enough. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>So for me.
<v Speaker 4>The Goonies is awesome. I think there's real menace, there's
<v Speaker 4>real danger. The fertilities are silly, but they're capable of
<v Speaker 4>killing them.
<v Speaker 1>Sure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean you have an actual dead guy at
<v Speaker 3>the beginning to let you know these guys are not
<v Speaker 3>just a bunch of buffoons. They do actually kill people, right.
<v Speaker 4>One eyed Willie spend a lot of time setting up
<v Speaker 4>bone organs and.
<v Speaker 2>Booby traps where he has his jewels, and then manages
<v Speaker 2>to go sit down at the table with all of
<v Speaker 2>his buddies.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the story is is that he killed
<v Speaker 3>all of them except for one of them, who is
<v Speaker 3>skaed away. He's the one that brought the story to
<v Speaker 3>everybody else, right right. And then, of course you have
<v Speaker 3>the treasure Map, which just happens to be in the
<v Speaker 3>Goonies attic.
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, whatever rich stuff, you gotta put
<v Speaker 2>it somewhere. Hey, come home, give me a kissed. But
<v Speaker 2>did you know that Sean Aston got to keep the
<v Speaker 2>treasure map?
<v Speaker 4>Did hear this?
<v Speaker 3>And Patty Duke, his mother, thought it was just a
<v Speaker 3>random piece of track paper and threw it away. No,
<v Speaker 3>even if your mom is a famous actress, she's still
<v Speaker 3>a mom.
<v Speaker 4>I think everybody's mom has thrown away something valuable to
<v Speaker 4>them at some point in their life.
<v Speaker 3>You threw away my Luke Garrett cart.
<v Speaker 4>That's a huge valuable movie prop that has gone because
<v Speaker 4>she thought it was nothing.
<v Speaker 3>Right, speaking of movie props, the ship they offered it up,
<v Speaker 3>nobody took it.
<v Speaker 4>This crushes me to here. Yes, they could not give
<v Speaker 4>it away.
<v Speaker 2>To anybody I know.
<v Speaker 3>Like, I guess they had some riggings on there, like
<v Speaker 3>just small parts that they used in the Pirates of
<v Speaker 3>the Caribbean ride at Disneyland. Full circle there, right, But.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that amazing ship and it's gone crazy.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I've got some That's all I really wanted to speak.
<v Speaker 2>I got some trivia for you now, okay.
<v Speaker 4>All right, so I got some trivia for you on
<v Speaker 4>the Goony So let's start there.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you.
<v Speaker 4>Know who visited the set of the Goonies?
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Gosh, I knew this, but I can't remember.
<v Speaker 4>Tell me, Okay, So number one Harrison Ford visited the set.
<v Speaker 2>Oh fantastic y. Yeah, And in.
<v Speaker 4>Fact, he brought an Indiana Jones hat that Robert Dovey
<v Speaker 4>wears the entire movie o his hat.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, okay, yeah, no, I could see that rights sense.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, So think about this movie in nineteen eighty four,
<v Speaker 4>who would you most want to see on your set?
<v Speaker 4>I mean, Harrison Ford's.
<v Speaker 2>Up that little for sure up there. Yeah, but maybe
<v Speaker 2>number one Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson came to the Jackson
<v Speaker 2>visited the Goony set. Wow, Okay, yes, And of course
<v Speaker 2>he and Corey Feldman developed a relationship, right. They ended
<v Speaker 2>up getting tickets to the Victory Tour, which was a
<v Speaker 2>hugely hot ticket. Right.
<v Speaker 4>Sure, they all went and saw Michael Jackson at Dodger Stadium,
<v Speaker 4>and I remember at the time they were like they
<v Speaker 4>looked around and they're like, our seats were better than
<v Speaker 4>Ricky Schroeder's.
<v Speaker 2>Silver Spoon's reference there. That's great.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, But here's the nugget that really found heartwarming that
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to talk to you about.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So, Patty Duke John Aston were going through a divorce
<v Speaker 4>at the time that the movie was released, and they're
<v Speaker 4>watching their son on the screen in his big theater debut,
<v Speaker 4>even though they were getting divorced, they held hands and
<v Speaker 4>cried throughout the entire movie. They knew that he had
<v Speaker 4>attached himself to an absolute home run.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he does a great job.
<v Speaker 4>He does a great job.
<v Speaker 3>Every I mean every other character in the movie, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe appropriately so is overacting their part a little bit, right. Sure,
<v Speaker 3>Junk is overacting the fat kid, but it makes it
<v Speaker 3>a little bit funnier. And Data is over acting the
<v Speaker 3>nerdy Chinese inventor, but it makes it funny. Yes, mouth
<v Speaker 3>same thing. But Sean Aston plays it real and straight
<v Speaker 3>and heartfelt.
<v Speaker 2>And it's absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>What his character as the every man or every kid
<v Speaker 3>character needed, because and I say every kid, what kid?
<v Speaker 3>I mean since Pirates existed, what kid has not secretly
<v Speaker 3>dreamed of finding a pirate treasure map.
<v Speaker 2>Where X marks the spot. That's so great, man X never.
<v Speaker 4>Marks the spot, as we know from Indiana Jones. Right
<v Speaker 4>by the way, that's Richard Donner on like the four
<v Speaker 4>wheeler that pulls up at the very end that like
<v Speaker 4>finds the kids. Ok there's a little cameo there.
<v Speaker 2>Nice.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, I got just a couple of tidbits
<v Speaker 4>for you on Raiders of lost Ark. Okay, just a
<v Speaker 4>couple of tidbits for you on Indiana Jones and the
<v Speaker 4>Temple of Dim Okay. Okay, so originally it was called
<v Speaker 4>Indiana Jones and the Temple of Death. For whatever reason,
<v Speaker 4>they changed it to Indiana a Little Dark in the
<v Speaker 4>Temple of Doom. Right now, then, do you know who
<v Speaker 4>made an appearance on set at Indiana Jones and the
<v Speaker 4>Temple of Doom.
<v Speaker 2>Corey Felpon.
<v Speaker 4>No, that's a good guess though, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Carrie Fisher Okay, who is, of course Princess among many
<v Speaker 2>other things.
<v Speaker 4>But yes, and of course she and Harrison Ford had
<v Speaker 4>a off screen trist romance. Yes, yes, on screen as well,
<v Speaker 4>but off screen. Right, But on that day that she
<v Speaker 4>visited the set, it was when he was being punished.
<v Speaker 4>He was being whipped, right, So he's chained up and
<v Speaker 4>they lead in Barbara streisand give her a whip, and
<v Speaker 4>of course Harrison Ford is tied up and she's whipping him, going,
<v Speaker 4>that's for Star Wars, that's for Hanover Street.
<v Speaker 3>What.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Barbara Streis, Yes, it's random. Yeah, you can see it,
<v Speaker 2>go look it up on YouTube.
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Carrie Fisher, yeah, she's the end of the
<v Speaker 3>Blues Brothers. By the way, Yes, you usually I forget
<v Speaker 3>that part, right, but I did until you just said it.
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, yeah, well there you go. Spielberg,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he knew her from, probably from Star.
<v Speaker 4>Wars, but Streisand is whipping him and Carrie Fisher like
<v Speaker 4>stands in the way. He's like, no, please, don't go.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 4>So kind of a goofy little thing there. And then
<v Speaker 4>finally just a little heartwarming tidbit from Indian Jones and
<v Speaker 4>the template doom. Yeah, while they were staying at their
<v Speaker 4>hotel in Sri Lanka, h Harrison Ford taught Key Hugh
<v Speaker 4>Quon how to swim.
<v Speaker 3>Oh cool, taught him out a swim. You sent me
<v Speaker 3>a video of Key Kikwan. On the other Drew Drew
<v Speaker 3>Barrymore Drew Barrymore show, and now they I mean she
<v Speaker 3>had she had just finished et when they started doing Goonies, right,
<v Speaker 3>and so there were awards being given out that they
<v Speaker 3>were both part of the ceremonies on okay, and so
<v Speaker 3>they hung out, like Steven Spielberg introduced them, and not
<v Speaker 3>only did they hang out at the awards show, but
<v Speaker 3>like they went to the zoo together like little kids do,
<v Speaker 3>and he on the show, confessed to her that he
<v Speaker 3>had this huge crush on her or whenever, and then.
<v Speaker 2>She was like, I also had a crush on yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's sweet. That's a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So one thing I want to mention, yes, okay, uh.
<v Speaker 3>For the Goonies, this was the first appearance of wes
<v Speaker 3>take Hashi as the animation supervisor. He was with ILM,
<v Speaker 3>of course, but he's the animation supervisor for the Goonies,
<v Speaker 3>so there's a lot of special effects that required animation.
<v Speaker 3>He goes on to be the head supervisor at ILM
<v Speaker 3>of all Animation later on, but and he's a guy
<v Speaker 3>who's done a lot of effects. But one of the
<v Speaker 3>one of the ones that struck me was he was
<v Speaker 3>the one responsible for the animation effect for the DeLorean
<v Speaker 3>when it would go back in time, which I was like, dude,
<v Speaker 3>that is a fantastic effect, right yeah, because I mean,
<v Speaker 3>you get I don't not even ever really thought about it,
<v Speaker 3>but all that stuff that shoots out and blast in
<v Speaker 3>front of the Dolorean, that's all just animation. Yeah, right,
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty five, We're not doing that with computers, and
<v Speaker 3>so that brings me to another point back in the future.
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen eighty five poster by Drew Stusan.
<v Speaker 4>I love Drew Strusan.
<v Speaker 3>Also he did the Goonies, Yes he did. Also he
<v Speaker 3>did Temple of Doom.
<v Speaker 4>Yes he did. You know what else he did in
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty five?
<v Speaker 2>No, what else did he do?
<v Speaker 4>And Drew Strewsan did the poster for Better Off Dead,
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, which we'll be talking about here in
<v Speaker 4>just a few weeks.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Better Off Dead versus one crazy Summer.
<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be fun.
<v Speaker 3>Steve Savage Holland's John Cusack Savage.
<v Speaker 2>Steve Savage. Steve Holland is his first name. Seven.
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, now I know the story on this. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>tune in for the episode and I will tell you
<v Speaker 3>how Steve Holland got the nickname Savage. It is going
<v Speaker 3>to be something we're tuning in for.
<v Speaker 2>Our promise.
<v Speaker 4>Everybody wants some trust me?
<v Speaker 1>Great?
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So one more yep, one more thing, yes.
<v Speaker 3>Since we've we made this the ki Kwan double feature. Yes, right,
<v Speaker 3>I got one more trivia bit for Kikwan.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Before filming the movie Goonies, his mother made him promise
<v Speaker 3>that he would not use any bad language, which is
<v Speaker 3>why in the cave scene with the falling rocks he
<v Speaker 3>screeneds ho s h, I d.
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's it's so sweet. I mean, it's just such
<v Speaker 4>a good movie.
<v Speaker 3>You know, he as a real human being seems to
<v Speaker 3>just be that lovable kittie character even in his fifties.
<v Speaker 2>Now. I love his comeback story. It's amazing, it really is.
<v Speaker 2>I still haven't seen Love Hurts, which just came out.
<v Speaker 2>It's not getting Will Rolle really well rated, but I
<v Speaker 2>don't know.
<v Speaker 3>It looked like a good action flick to me. I'd
<v Speaker 3>love to see him doing you know, his taekwondo work
<v Speaker 3>on screen and his fight choreography that he was specialized
<v Speaker 3>in for twenty years. But I'm really excited about the
<v Speaker 3>movie that's with Chris Pratt and Woody Harrelson and Millie
<v Speaker 3>Bobby Brown.
<v Speaker 4>I can't wait to see Data and Goonies two.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know that'd be Yeah, that'll be great. Okay, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>are we to Final.
<v Speaker 4>Judgement to Final Judgment? Let's do this.
<v Speaker 2>This is tough. You go first.
<v Speaker 4>Okay. So here's the thing. I love both of these movies.
<v Speaker 4>I grew up with both of these movies. I am
<v Speaker 4>a staunch defender of both of these movies.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 4>When I watched Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom again,
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of lulls in it. For me, I
<v Speaker 4>do think maybe this representation of Indiana Jones is my favorite.
<v Speaker 4>He's so tough in this. He's bulked up and he's
<v Speaker 4>I mean, just really tough guy. You know, we don't
<v Speaker 4>see him cowering from snakes or anything like that. Just
<v Speaker 4>everything he does is just super on point.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now, I guess he does cower from a snake
<v Speaker 2>that Willy throws at his feet once, but this is not.
<v Speaker 4>My favorite adventure of his.
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's fair to say both Raiders and
<v Speaker 2>Last Crusade are better.
<v Speaker 4>Than this movie. Okay, Okay, I watch Goonies. I laugh
<v Speaker 4>and enjoy that movie despite its silliness the entire way through.
<v Speaker 4>And I showed this.
<v Speaker 2>To my daughter and it absolutely killed me. She thought
<v Speaker 2>it was amazing. Yeah, and with that said, I have
<v Speaker 2>to say I think Goonies is the better. Okay, it
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. It's interesting that you say that.
<v Speaker 4>And especially me being a huge Indiana Jones guy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, the reason that we compared Back to
<v Speaker 3>the Future to Raiders of the Lost Ark was because
<v Speaker 3>Raiders of the Lost Dark is your favorite movie from
<v Speaker 3>the eighties, and Back to the Future is my favorite
<v Speaker 3>movie from the eighties, That's right, And so to hear
<v Speaker 3>have you put it second to Goonies is surprising to me.
<v Speaker 3>I actually thought we were going to be on the
<v Speaker 3>same page in this one, but obviously we're not. Oh interesting, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So I agree. I defend both of these movies wholeheartedly.
<v Speaker 3>They were both a major part of my growing up experience.
<v Speaker 3>I got all the nostalgia for both of them, and
<v Speaker 3>I was excited to rewatch both of them. We have
<v Speaker 3>been talking about doing Indiana Jones and The Temple of
<v Speaker 3>Doom for several years, and I was I had always
<v Speaker 3>pushed the let's compare it to Superman three, as you know,
<v Speaker 3>the worst of the trilogy, right right, and I had
<v Speaker 3>always kind of had it in that mind my mind.
<v Speaker 3>As you know, Raiders and Last Crusade are neck and neck,
<v Speaker 3>and Temple of Doom is a distant third. When I
<v Speaker 3>rewatched the Goonies, it still had all the nostalgia, but
<v Speaker 3>like I said, the kids were really like over the
<v Speaker 3>top in their acting, and it was kind of like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>you guys are hamming it up, just maybe a bit
<v Speaker 3>too much, and some of the absurd.
<v Speaker 2>Scenes that we've already talked about. I was just like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>this is it.
<v Speaker 4>Just to me, the Pirate Waterflat, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It did not age quite as well.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, But when I went back Temple of Doom, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe it was because I had lower expectations, I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>I forgot that, you know, Fortune and Glory was this movie, right,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the that's a huge line, and that
<v Speaker 3>was Temple of Doom. And so I'm looking at that
<v Speaker 3>intro scene and I'm like, ah, this is a bunch
<v Speaker 3>of fun with a very James Bond esque style going on.
<v Speaker 3>And then we go into these and again it's got
<v Speaker 3>some it's got some stretches as far as you know
<v Speaker 3>what can happen. But to me, it was more intense,
<v Speaker 3>it was a little darker. It was kind of the
<v Speaker 3>Empire strikes back to Raiders of the Lost Art, right,
<v Speaker 3>and the darkness intrigued me.
<v Speaker 2>More In this one.
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't I didn't feel like people were hamming up
<v Speaker 3>maybe Cape Capshaw a bit, but but for the most part.
<v Speaker 3>I felt like there was a genuine delivery and the
<v Speaker 3>adventure ride was just as good, just as good, if
<v Speaker 3>not better than the other two in the trilogy. Yeah okay,
<v Speaker 3>And so for that reason I got to say Temple
<v Speaker 3>of Doom wins the.
<v Speaker 2>Day for me.
<v Speaker 4>Wo okay, love it.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 4>I don't accept the idea that Temple of Doom is
<v Speaker 4>this cousin that we need to forget about.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, I mean that's that's how Spielberg and Lucas treated,
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's unfair.
<v Speaker 4>I agree with you. I think it's good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And maybe it was because that was a dark period
<v Speaker 3>of their lives and maybe that the memory is associated
<v Speaker 3>with it. But to me, I was I was duly impressed.
<v Speaker 3>Definitely worth coming back to again.
<v Speaker 4>That just goes to show that when you do this podcast,
<v Speaker 4>that anything goes.
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<v Speaker 4>You know, I know, right, that's cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>The next week, Yeah, we are covering an album from
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty five, Okay that we both I think owned
<v Speaker 4>and enjoyed. Okay, Heart, Oh yeah, the Wilson Sisters. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>back with a Vengeance after being dropped from their record label.
<v Speaker 3>Right, and we are comparing that to a Dire Straits album,
<v Speaker 3>Brothers in Arms, which I had never listened to all
<v Speaker 3>the way through until we decided to cover this album.
<v Speaker 2>And I am excited to.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about that band and Heart in comparison to each other,
<v Speaker 3>those two two killer albums from.
<v Speaker 2>That time period.
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