Eddie Hearn on Shakur Stevenson vs. Teofimo Lopez, Anthony Joshua's tragedy & Devin Haney's beef with Ryan Garcia

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Speaker 1: No, almost beat up to your female's father.

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Speaker 2: Really mouse people have tried to do that in something. He's a character he.

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Speaker 1: Beat up. I have to tell you what ho fuck you? What what up? Yardist? Joe cracked the dogs your boy, Jada.

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Speaker 3: You know what it is that Joe and Jayden show every show legendary, every show iconic, and when that's what we're doing today.

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Speaker 1: We're talking boxing.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean when you think of boxing, this guy right here is putting on the biggest fights.

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Speaker 1: He got the whole wave of boxing.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise for our Pardoner, our guests.

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Speaker 1: Eddie earned.

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Speaker 4: Thank you well, Eddie. Yeah, I've been around you twenty thirty times. Yes, we never got to speak.

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Speaker 1: No. Really, I mind my business.

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Speaker 4: And when two friends and two people do business, and I personally don't understand the business. I just support the person in mind my business, just love them and whatever the case may be. When I see you at the Bologa fights, you know we're responsible for taking them to where he got. I just be like, I respect him as a former fighter.

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Speaker 1: You know. We like that.

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Speaker 4: We're like the rap rapper, superstar veterans that now we come on here and we talk like Shaquille O'Neill and Charles. So that's how we feel we are. And so you're pretty much the same. You know, boxes trust you because you've been in boxing for so long and they think you'll look out for him. And but we finally get to talk, right, the mean Street said the UK. He was a bus ad Thros Yeah a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I mean you said something earlier when you were talking off camera about your kids. You said about your daughter, she's a Neapo baby, yeah, right, which is really.

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Speaker 1: I guess I am as well.

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Speaker 2: So my dad came from you know, I guess you guys would call a project. We call it a council of state.

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Speaker 1: Right. His dad was a bus driver. You know, he came from no money.

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Speaker 2: But he was like a real again what you guys might say hustler in a sense of from a young kid, he just wanted to make money. His mom, my nan, my grandmother. She cleaned the houses of people with money and he hated it. He was like, I just I want one of them, you know. And he became a chartered accountant. He was one of the youngest ever to qualify to do so. At like nineteen because he thought being an accountant would making money. He found his way through snooker, which he won't know about, and then he found his way into boxing and he was one of a Hall of Fame promoter.

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Speaker 1: My dad, so he's was Hall of fame from a correct so big, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean he was one of the greatest boxing promoters from the UK and never really came over to America, but you know represented Lenard Lewis, Frank Bruno, Nigel Ben, Chris hu Bank, nzem Hammad, all of the top fighters of that generation.

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Speaker 1: I fucking love Nasi everybody. I fucking love the men. I never missed a fight. He was box office.

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Speaker 4: Remember he used to come in the flying carpet and ship he was doing every entrance, was the biggest like at that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had so much ability. But you know, it's kind of like a lesson for boxing and that what happened with him, And you guys will see it in your industry all the time. You start to see they lose their head a little bit and before success or a little bit but just maybe ill advice or just you know, sometimes you want to kind of push back from the norm of industry. Right, So you want to do it on your own, he wanted.

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Speaker 1: So. Next thing, he had like six or seven brothers.

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Speaker 2: Next thing, every brother has got a job within the team. And next thing, his business manager is this guy one of the brothers who I know what he used to do? Well whatever, right, and you're sitting in a room like so in my opinion, Nas never actually achieved what he could have achieved, and he was an unbelievable I have the way team. Yeah, because when he went and fought Marco Antonio Barrera at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, that was like the big, big signature fire.

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Speaker 1: The thing. I was out there.

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Speaker 2: Barrera was in the mountains training up in Big Bear, and Nas was in the Kinta or wherever he was, and in the you know, by the tennis courts with all these brothers, all his families sitting there laughing up at the mountains game we come up there, you know, and then fight night comes and you know that was that was Nas. But my dad promoted all of those guys, promoted the Brera fight. He started promoting boxing when I was about eight years old. So from eight I was at every show and I was just like the little kid who just got everywhere. You know, I'd carry the belts out for the fighters. They're all my heroes. I'd sit in the gym, I'd watched the spa in you know that kind of stuff, and I'd see the arguments that my dad was having with Don King, Bob Aram.

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Speaker 1: They were his.

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Speaker 2: Competitors, right. I was in the room, I was listening, I was hiding. I was watching. I would see fighters, you know, go to hospital. I would see them break down in tears, through victory. I'd see everything in boxing. When I got to like twelve or thirteen, I thought, no, I think I could be a fight. And you know, I started at a couple of amateur fights, nothing MAJORCA was when I got to about fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I said.

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Speaker 2: My dad always said to me, because he was petrified of me being the spoilt rich kids, he always said to me, you're my projects. I said thanks. He said, I'm going to build you the way that I would want to build my son in this world. And everything for me was about spot and winning. Like That's how I grew up. Win, win, whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: Win.

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Speaker 2: You work your bollocks off every day twenty four seven. You're given nothing without hard work. This is his mentality, he said to me, And what I'm going to do is when you get to eighteen, I'm going to take me down the gym and I'm going to spy you, and I'm going to beat you bad, and I'm going to just show you what the difference is from where I come from and where you come from. But he'll be a great education for me. But unfortunately for him, I was like six foot two at sixteen, so he brought it forward by two years. And we went into the gym and he put we had like eight ounces on in front of all the fighters. You know, he was trying to take my head off, and I ended up stopping him in like the third round the body shots because he was just getting old. And he was so proud, do you know what I mean? He was like Jim and he was in the pate like he couldn't stop telling the media my son.

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Speaker 1: I took him down. He was and it was like, that's that's how I was rayed.

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Speaker 2: So I was raised in boxing, and I never wanted to be a boxing I probably wanted to be a fighter more than anything. But what I didn't know at the time was I was receiving all the education I need needed from the industry to probably go on and do what I'm doing now, because sometimes when I got into boxing promotion, which was about sixteen years ago, people were like, was this guy not that boxing might mate? I've seen everything born is in my life. I've been around boxing now and I love it more than my greatest passion.

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Speaker 1: I see it greatest UK box.

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Speaker 2: Of water probably joke Alzaggie, I mean all times strong. But this is a guy that was undefeated, like coming out to America, beat Jeff Lacey, beat all these guys.

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Speaker 1: Probably not got.

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Speaker 2: The props that he deserved because he was from Wales.

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Speaker 1: He was a little bit low key, you know. Lennox Lewis another.

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Speaker 2: Great heavywell and let's it me winter it Yeah from the club Mansion and some ship.

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Speaker 4: I was playing with him and he hit me boom playing around. I was like, fuck, this ship hurts. Yeah, a little body shot for no reason, you know, maybe Joe think he tough Boom. I said, oh ship, then ups, Oh what's the guy? I think they made a movie about him. I used to watch all his fights from the u K. Little Irish guy. He would get knocked down and get back up. And are you talking about Mickey Wood Nicky in Ward? I mean American Irish out of Boston. But he was the guy who had the wars were Gatzi.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So he wasn't from the UK, he was from Buster Bays, Irish.

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Speaker 1: He was Irish. Yel fucking Mickey Ward. They would come over here.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, Ireland, they fucking come for them fucking fights. You go on Madison squat Guard and they you forget you. There's Puerto Rican's and Block Accident, New York. No fucking Irish come.

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Speaker 2: You know what, The best atmosphere I think I've ever witnessed was Madison Square Garden Katie Taylor against Amanda Sarona.

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Speaker 4: That was That's what I'm referring for Reacond, That's what I'm referring one the one one flight.

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Speaker 2: I promoted that far right and it was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Not half Irish, I forgot.

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Speaker 4: I was in New York. No, not even half half like Irish had us. It was eighty twenty. You're trying to be generous. Puerto Ricans ain't bottom tickets like that, because the fucking we walked up in there, I thought I was going to hit him the bongo. That's suing u shit. And they celebrate different overseas. They got some shit. Oh you go to them soccer. They got the hooligans and ship the motherfuckers start. They screamed different. Oh yeah, but Mickey ward Man, it was somebody I really and Gotti. Yeah, you know, you know I don't gamble much, but one guy had definitely. I don't gamble much so much that I know who I gambled on. I told Gotti I lost about two or three times. It just would always get me like a He was like a Robin Hood or a Cinderella. He was four down, get back up, And I always love those style of boxes. I've always loved get up, knock them out. They knocked you out that Diego Corale.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's what you want to watch as a fire fan, isn't it. I mean, you know it's not always the greatest. But the problem is sometimes I'm guilty of it. You want to fight at the entertainment right now? Really, if you really trying to do it the right way, you don't really want to be an entertaining partner.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be a smile shone to win and be small, don't get hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, watch really So me as a promoter, I'm a little bit conflicted because I'm like, I want you to go out there and have a walk.

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Speaker 1: That's what I need to do. But also, but you know, I seen.

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Speaker 4: You and your guy threatened that over you was over there Saudi, and I was like, man, this guy's boring.

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Speaker 1: He don't want to fight who youre someing about.

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Speaker 2: But listen, I'm just I'm being honest. And people say, you never said that when you represented him. I said, well, one, I'm not going to say that when I represent him.

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Speaker 1: Straight up.

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Speaker 2: But number two, he never fought so much defensively like that and holding and stuff like that. And I'm sitting here he got scared, he got But I love list. What he's achieved in the sport is phenomenal, Devin, and he's a great fight. But I'm just saying, as a fan sitting there watching that, I don't think it was entertaining.

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Speaker 1: And I can say that if I don't represent he, I mean whatever. Since he got, Yeah, he felt down.

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Speaker 2: But I feel bad for him about the Garcia fight because he Garcia came in freeing a bit pound over Garcia.

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Speaker 4: Is that really like in the streets you fight fat guys, cock diesel guys or type of ship. Like the always says, yo, what's your weight class? You had a bar, you argue, you fight. It's definitely like it's.

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Speaker 1: The three pounds.

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Speaker 2: Was like really like your but Joe, it's like that's the rules, mate. You're like, I'm not a real light. Yeah, but we're not on the streets. This is a fight where you don't like what you're doing is you're you're boiling yourself down to make that weight, which is what Devin did. The other kid didn't really so and also on fight night the kids weighing a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Forget that. He also failed a drugs teat on.

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Speaker 2: The night right and by the way, Devin got battered, yeah, and showed amazing bravery in that fight.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, he came out the other.

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Speaker 2: Side and everyone's like, he's going it's not fair the guy coming overweight and fall the drugs set. Everyone is like, Devin Haynes, the villain, what he actually he should have come out.

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Speaker 4: You're in a fight, where's mano a mano? And I think him choosing the soul and see the belt you know, once you start killing the goals games.

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Speaker 2: But let's break that down. Yeah, what he did was actually unique in that respect.

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Speaker 1: Suing. Yeah, I think he sued Ryan for battery or some something that.

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Speaker 2: Ye, but the fact is contractually anyway, forget like what you say on the streets, he's this size, he's outside. The guy had performance enhances, some drugs in his system. Now we don't know that good. But now we don't know if that.

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Speaker 1: Was intentional or not. But if it was intent you had it on.

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Speaker 2: If it was intentional, you're going into a fight with another man. It's incredibly dangerous, cheating to get a physical edge.

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Speaker 1: Now that even like that, he's players. I don't like that. And now for listen, baseball's baseball. This is a fight even enhance and I don't like it. But what you're talking about a ball, this is Yeah, Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: It should be, it should be. But what I'm saying is I think Devin thought, you know what I went in there. I got beat up, right, I lost my reputation, my undefeated record, probably a little bit of my physical character. And we've seen that maybe moving forward, you know, I know what he was trying to do it, but it went against him because everyone went, you're suing for getting beat. It's like, not really, I'm a suming because of the situations around him. So I actually get what he was doing. Both I understand. I can't don't think you can go, oh, you can't do that. It's the fight because the circumstances weren't weren't fair, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: They weren't.

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Speaker 4: But you know what you want to say, same thing with him fight, I said, I said something.

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Speaker 1: The other day.

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Speaker 4: It went so viral and I didn't even think it was just my opinion. Where we have one of this generation's greatest rappers, Jay Cole, got called out for a battle and he's been rapping about he's the number one rapper in the world, and then he didn't come out to fight. So it's almost like one of them famous fights where you got the ring and the guy just walks.

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Speaker 1: What was that famous fight where the guy just the fight was.

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Speaker 2: Gonna start, just walked out the ring.

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Speaker 4: Referee, the referee in this corner, this this is a championship fight.

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Speaker 1: Home boy said, he walked out, So tell me educate me about this Joe Jacob.

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Speaker 4: No, we don't want to because it's one Jadakiss. It's one of Jadakis' best friends.

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Speaker 1: So in that situation, why has he chosen you gotta come out.

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Speaker 4: I've been challenged by guys that were with my ass and hip hop and fat Joe came out. I gave it talking about Ireland, the Irish forget Everlast, got challenged by Eminem Everlast fucking came out.

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Speaker 1: I knew he was going to get his boots smoke.

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Speaker 2: But when you come out, right, it's a business as well, right, Yeah, so oh yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not, it's not. I don't think it's great for business. Educate me on the business. I don't think it's good for business. I don't think what for him to do that. Yeah, even they're a much smarter move. It didn't he didn't lose anything, you know.

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Speaker 4: But what we're saying is he's saying in hip hop, I don't believe that the rap battle or the beef helps you sell.

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Speaker 1: If you win, it super help. But if you lose.

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Speaker 2: But isn't this isn't this a difference between your reputation, not necessarily on.

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Speaker 1: The street, but oh the bigger picture. You're doing it. You say, no, I got challenge. I came out. Yeah, is that because it's you. I came out with. My mother would call me and be like, son, don't come out.

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Speaker 4: I came out when my mother was calling talking about don't come out. The people who did know my mother was like, he's going against a guy who sold thirty million records. It's he crazy. This guy finished his people's careers. And I came outside to me, you always gotta come out. You get like I said, everlast, eminem, ever last, got challenge. Let's jump around, jump around, jump up and get down. And he battled them and them and we gotta tell you how that west?

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Speaker 1: He just said, it's the Irish. He's Irish. He came out. You know, let's talk to Turkey. I like this guy, yeah right?

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Speaker 4: And did he just come boxing? Number one boxing fan. There's like a super trillionaire. And how did he get into the fight game and become the number one buyer?

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Speaker 1: I guess what do you call those guys who really made like an investor? But it's more of a business now for them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he was a guy that was running sort of tourism and entertainment or mainly entertainment in Saudi Arabia, right, and you look at what they've brought to the kingdom over the years, particularly recently Formula one, WWE, yeah, tennis every and we were doing some boxing in Saudi. But then all of a sudden they did Fury against e government and I had a bit of a nightmare actually because the guys that I was working with in Saudi, I did on lock in Saudi.

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Speaker 1: Just me you what I did, lockdown inside the whole Saudi luggown. I put the first big fight on there.

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Speaker 2: Right, I was like, man, and all of a sudden, my guys, they're gone. Turkey comes in right next thing he puts on Fury against in Ghana. Right now, I made the big mistake of opening my mouth. This is ship, what is this? Fury is a world heavyweight champion. He's fighting a guy that's never had a fight before.

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Speaker 1: What a joke.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, this and this is all being done by Turkey. So I'll become enemy number one right lately, next thing the fight happens. I'm a good fight. Actually in Ghana, I thought wonder fight.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a very so so the fight finishes, and then people are saying to me, you know this guy Turkey, he's now running boxing.

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Speaker 1: That's out. He's the guy. I'm like, no, I don't like you.

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Speaker 2: I said, why, I said, because you're slagging off the event. I said, listen, I'm just telling you what I thought of the event. He went Anyway, he comes to London, and I'm like, I'm gonna slide in his.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he's in London. I'm like, Turkey, I understand you. You know I've done a lot of boxing in Saudi Arabia. Let me know when's good. I'll meet you while you're in London. Scene. Ye, no reply ship, So I fall. Anyway, the next day I fall. We'll just go for one more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know when suits scene nothing. Oh god.

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Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden they start talking about a j our guy, a fighting fury and anyway.

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Speaker 1: Then I get a.

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Speaker 2: Phone call from one of his guys is like, this is on his next trip to his excellency would like to meet me in the hotel.

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Speaker 1: I'm let me just.

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Speaker 2: Check my diary. I'd already started the engine. Anyway, go up to London, sit downstairs in the hotel.

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Speaker 1: So they caught Turkey has excellency. He's part of the royal family. Not the royal family.

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Speaker 2: But that's yeah. So go into the hotel room lobby. You will be called up soon. I go up there, it's like eight people in the room. Big so for like, it's actually about ten times with Godiness, sit down and he's like, I'm sitting where you're sitting. Man, We had a lot to say for yourself. You know when I did that fight and I said, I quite be honest with you. I'm just pretty honest, like I'm going to speak my mind. And I thought it was ship and then it happened, and I thought it was pretty good to be honest with you. So you know, I don't like a lot of the things you said.

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Speaker 1: My blah blah blah blah. I'll see okay.

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Speaker 2: And then he said to me, and I've told this story before, and he don't mind me saying. He's the guy is funny, that's fun one of the funny beat with ever met. And he says to me, let me tell you something. He said, we are a fast moving train. Do you want to be on the tr or do you want to be standing on the platform waving as the train goes by. Invisible training is success. One of my best stories we get and I looked him straight in the eye and I went and it's actually true story and he just started laughing. And from there we've been very close. You know, we've done a lot of business together across a lot of sports, mattrooms, not just boxing, it's a lot of sports, and we've brought a lot of sports in Oaudi Arabia. He doesn't have any preferences, right, He'll use me and our company and my fighters, but if something else suits him, he'll do that instead. His word is good and that's everything as worried as everything you can tell. And you know he's what he's done in boxing is pretty amazing. You know, they've spent hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions, but they can do that.

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Speaker 1: And does he have like endless money? Would you say?

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously there's his personal wealth, but it's it's the world country and the government to help bring you know, major sporting events and exposure to the Kingdom. So you know that there's that part. But what he does have is a big passion for boxing genuinely, and what you said earlier, like you know, is this just some very rich fight fan. I mean, this is a fight fan that has access to, you know, considerable budgets, but a fight fan that has a quite a unique vision, you know, like his next level thinger.

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Speaker 1: It's not just to go yeah, yeah, let's do.

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Speaker 2: That and spend like he's you know, the Ring magazine obviously TP own Now like all this kind of stuff, there is a vision.

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Speaker 1: Will it work, I don't know, but that everybody's benefit.

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Speaker 1: One should be hating.

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Speaker 4: You know, the most money, you would say the purse, But the most money I ever got paid for was his show in Africa, and.

00:25:18
Speaker 1: He too was the leader of tourism.

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Speaker 4: And I go over there and at one point he tells me, I want you to come. You know, rap is different we you know, we ain't go to college for the ship. So he's telling me, y'all want you to go do an interview. I said, I ain't doing shit. So the man says, just a carniv Yeah yeah. I'm like, yeah, I ain't doing shit. I'm over here, ready just to stay. He say, y'all, I got fifty thousand dollars cash for you to come.

00:25:48
Speaker 1: I called the whole cup, y'all.

00:25:49
Speaker 4: Maybe at the lobby, you gotta do this ill interview, right, So he takes me to the basement parking lot, it's a true story. And he walks in to like a Lincoln town car, an old school car, and he opens the trump and the whole thing is filled.

00:26:10
Speaker 1: With money, pallettes of hundred pallets of one hundred dollar bills.

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Speaker 4: The man took out fifty thousand dollars and it looked like a toothpick. That's how much cash she had in that trump. At this point, I felt like killing them. And I didn't know how I get out the country with all this money, Like I really, really, anybody could do it, Like I'm telling you, for this one second, I.

00:26:33
Speaker 1: Said, cold, I kill this dude and just break out with all this. There's just no way I could have done it.

00:26:40
Speaker 4: But it felt to me at that moment like they were making money, like they were printing the money.

00:26:48
Speaker 1: And he gave me fifty thousand felt like a toothpick, and it was so much way.

00:26:51
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, this shit is unreal, like you know, and I feel like Turkey is similar in Saudi, like he got that ultimate bag.

00:27:04
Speaker 1: You know, they call me the Tyson Fury your hip hop. Yeah yeah, because look so deceive it.

00:27:10
Speaker 4: I don't have a muscle, but I knocked you out, you know. And Tayson Fury, that boy flabby and he had knocked you out.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: He had not love Taysteon Fury.

00:27:22
Speaker 4: I remember the day he won that fight, and then he got on the bike the next days Da da da da. I don't know who that was. That was kind of McGregor right the next day, Da da da da. It's the motherfucker super double G. But taste of Fury, I'm a I'm a huge fan. Is he coming back to bikes talking about it? I mean he retires every other week, you know what I mean?

00:27:42
Speaker 2: And like he's done with boxing and now he's training in Thailand. He's like the most motive he's ever been. And you know, I think I think a lot of these guys boxing saved them at the start, you know, I know, I know A j is a good example of that, you know, and thinks when you take it away from them, it's just leaves such a massive hole. So now I can see it, like he's training now for a fight. He looks happier than he looked for any day that he was retired.

00:28:09
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? He's got the fight. It's like, this is what I love to do. I love him. You know.

00:28:14
Speaker 4: The craziest thing is I believe that's in all sports. You know, these guys, especially dangerous sports like football, boxing. These guys are like Gladie Eaters. And when they walk out that tunnel in football and everybody screaming eighty thousand people, then when they retire.

00:28:34
Speaker 1: But that isn't that the same for anything? Isn't that the same for you guys as well? I mean we never retired.

00:28:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost kill Smokey Robinson when you sweak, he's still.

00:28:42
Speaker 1: Put to live. I'm talking about when you do.

00:28:46
Speaker 2: You know, I'm never as long as we got a voice, ba And it's the buzz, it's the love for what you do.

00:28:52
Speaker 1: Why do you want to keep going? Well? I love it.

00:28:55
Speaker 4: Plus we have huge bills, so you know, our family feel it was like, you know, like this little house on it. They won't stop whether and boy, I've been working at this. Is there any hobby or any type of shit that.

00:29:10
Speaker 1: You could work on?

00:29:11
Speaker 4: Fad Joe has tried to be a fake accountant slash let's let's minimalize.

00:29:18
Speaker 1: You know, there's a word for this called minimalize.

00:29:21
Speaker 4: I tried everything, they looking at new, bigger houses and this this. I'm finally somewhere where I feel like I can die and I'm comfortable.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: Like because I'm a dreamer.

00:29:35
Speaker 4: If I got a million dollars, I buy a ten million dollar hous like I'm a guy, and I'll pay that fifty thousand a month. And that's that's been my life. You know, I believe, you know, I invest in.

00:29:46
Speaker 1: I don't care.

00:29:47
Speaker 4: I'll find the money. I'm gonna make it now. I finally got a sense of peace, and they don't want peace. They just keep showing me bigger houses and bigger yards and bigger and I'm like, yo, we can sleep, like we finally at the place where these bills don't hurt us.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: We good chill. They don't want peace.

00:30:09
Speaker 4: They say, Yo, you need bigger so that you could just go out there and keep going. And kid, they want to run this shit to the wheels fall off right and with boxes.

00:30:20
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we've seen too.

00:30:22
Speaker 4: Many greats, greatest of all times, and all that keep coming back because they mismanage their money. And like I love him. I don't just love them, I worship him. But I do not want to see Mike Tyson.

00:30:37
Speaker 1: In the ring again. By it's crazy.

00:30:39
Speaker 2: How can you have been in the fights that have been and I mean I think fine, she forbably in much bad place now than he was ten fifteen years ago.

00:30:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, howd up?

00:30:48
Speaker 4: Even ten fifteen years ago? Mike Tyson at the mansion and even bad. I went to his house when he was bad, and the ship was a ten million dollar house, brand new costs. Like when they say he was broke, he was broke in a ten twenty million dollar weight. That wasn't like he wasn't back in the jacks.

00:31:08
Speaker 1: But how can you earn that much?

00:31:10
Speaker 2: Roy Jones a great now, But how can you earn that much money and be mistreated really or be that ill advised or if that kind of people around you that would enable you to be in that position?

00:31:22
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Fighters now much.

00:31:24
Speaker 2: Better educated on the finances of sport and much better supported from from a team perspective, But the infrastructure back then. You know, when this Canelo guy looks like, oh Canelo, he got it all. Hellow, Figuanello's like that guy you turned up to and had the money in the book. I mean, he's he's ready the bank of the sport. But he's smart, right, and he's taking his time.

00:31:46
Speaker 1: He's under super sport. He's also hit.

00:31:48
Speaker 2: The sport when there's a lot of bidders and buyers, right, So Canelo can get his money from him, from him, from him, from him.

00:31:55
Speaker 1: He doesn't matter. You know.

00:31:56
Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for a good fight. So oh, I'm going Faddie hearns. And then when they showed the Mexican guy running up the mountain talking about his moms used to feed him frocks for dinner, That's when.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, Edy got a fucking problem.

00:32:14
Speaker 4: This guy's carrying fucking eighteen wheeler tires up a mountain.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: The air here is different. He eats rocks for dinner.

00:32:23
Speaker 4: I'm like, Yo, they got a fucking You know me, I'm a fighter right, well, years ago I was a fighter. I was just telling them a story. All right, we don't need to elaborate. But I used to love to fight. So I walked out my house every day to fight. Whether I was winning losing, I would come out and fight. And the worst fight is when you hit a guy with the kitchen sink and he looks at you like, oh, I've been waiting for this. That's when you like, what the fuck at the project to connect zone whatever?

00:32:58
Speaker 1: We caught them out five hundred.

00:33:01
Speaker 4: If you get your ass whipping the projects, that's going viral in the hood. Like you know, y'all, Fat Joe got his ass whipped by subject Like whoo, that's a bad day for you. When you punched the guy with the kitchen sink. Now, try to tell boxes that all the time. I said, listen, you can have the power. But when you hit somebody with all you got and that motherfucker looked at you like hello, you got a real battle going on that night with you.

00:33:31
Speaker 1: So you saw you was you was a little kid, you studied boxing.

00:33:35
Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember it, because you definitely got to be a bigger historian than me. But there was a fight that Floyd Mayweather was losing till about.

00:33:45
Speaker 1: The sixth round. He switched up the whole style and he won the fight. He beat the shit out of the guy.

00:33:52
Speaker 4: And then when they interviewed him, he said, I don't know I'm saying the wrong name, but he said one of them legends like he was like Jack Dempsey in nineteen forty nine. I went back to the video tape that my father played me when he was bouncing the is it also in boxing, it's more like a physical strength or IQ.

00:34:12
Speaker 1: Make the best fighters.

00:34:14
Speaker 2: I mean IQ that you've got got, like this weekend for example, Shaquer Stevenson probably one of the best IQ's.

00:34:23
Speaker 1: The other one is Terrence Crawford.

00:34:26
Speaker 2: Right, these guys they just see it, you know, so during the fight, they know exactly what you're going to do.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: They know exactly what to do.

00:34:34
Speaker 2: They sit on the ropes, you know that the pulse rate's not moving, the calm, they're slipping shots. There's just different styles. Ultimately, the style to watch is the guy that's going in there and having the war, you know. For the purists, which I'm probably a purist as a pipe man, I watched those guys like Crawford and Chicour and Floyd probably the greatest generation. So can't Joe. I mean, the IQ's on another level. But you can go in there and what doesn't matter what you bring, what style you bring, how you switch it up during a fight. He will be out of control the situation in the moment, and that's when like you know, like I said, Shakur is probably that new guy who's capable of doing that, and tiar Femo.

00:35:16
Speaker 4: Did he got to your female? I think I think to your female is more bad battle tested.

00:35:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like if I'm tr Femo, I'm sticking it on. What does that mean for regular I'm pressing it on. Yeah, because they're both great athletes, They've both got great i Q.

00:35:36
Speaker 1: They're both quite.

00:35:37
Speaker 2: Reactive and faint and twitching and and like you know, great movement. But being Shakur at that game is a very difficult game to play and will probably lead to not the most entertaining if I'm if I'm tier Femo. Don't get me wrong, If you're aggressive against Chapur, that's also a problem.

00:35:55
Speaker 1: That's when you get her as account he wants, you know.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: But if you're fast and you're powerful, I don't know even if it's possible to beat your cook. But I think if I'm Tea Femo in this fight and I'm the bigger guy, you.

00:36:06
Speaker 1: Dirty it up, You're gonna don't.

00:36:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to make it a fight rather than trying to just out box Hif you ain't gonna out box your cook.

00:36:14
Speaker 4: He's a genius the fight. This guy right here, he's a slick one. He wants front row seats to every event. And if you don't know how to tell you live on TV. He doesn't get the same in this podcast, does he either? Bingo, he's sixty six, he's.

00:36:36
Speaker 1: A little bit under the weather. Yeah, yeah, no, he ain't shot. He ain't shot. You got any crosses for the loved and Eddio. All I've seen doing this is this. When you're talking, he's that erdie.

00:36:52
Speaker 4: The man's on the clock. If he bunched in, he's getting paid whether he says something you don't. The man is sitting there.

00:37:00
Speaker 2: You guys have got to make your predictions and calls for the weekend right Madison Square Garden.

00:37:05
Speaker 1: And he's great. He's forer no on the playoffs and football. This is box. But I have to listening to you now.

00:37:13
Speaker 3: I was I think I gotta switch it up because if she Cour is able to be shou.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: Cour, he will win it. Fighting me born not necessarily boring.

00:37:27
Speaker 4: When you see two guys scared, they hit each other and they're thinking over he's.

00:37:31
Speaker 2: Just what you said. First of all. I'm gonna use that for all my media this week. If Chaquur is allowed to be Chakur, he can't, so you've got to make him not be shuk.

00:37:44
Speaker 1: I won't credit you for any of that, but thank you. Don't happen. And they've been taking my line for years somewhere, but you're right, so you've got to make him not be so with you.

00:37:59
Speaker 2: But now, uh, I'm not if you got any infinity, it's Brooklyn against new No.

00:38:04
Speaker 1: Almost beat up to your female's father.

00:38:06
Speaker 2: Really, most people have tried to do that in something. He's a character he.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: Beat. I have to tell your fop, I fuck you up. I was like, Yo, Pops, I fucked you up. You got some flash too, Eddie, that's the time to throw it. Just throw follow on the play. You got it? Oh.

00:38:27
Speaker 4: Father just came at me screaming at me one day, talking about Ega Balanga ain't the only Latino and you know you're the biggest Latino and you don't co sign my son and this and that. He was just talking crazy and I was like, like, really crazy. I was like, yo, Pop, we'll fuck you up in here, Like I don't know if you know, like don't play with me, and then you know, he hit us back the next day and was like, yo, I'm sorry, you must have been ahome shit, Like you know what.

00:38:54
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know what, the fathers are real passionate about this.

00:38:57
Speaker 2: But that's he's he's USh. You heard this a million times? Yeah, yeah, a million you're almost just yeah, because I had a fight we did ti femo against George Cambosa's when Cambosas beat him at the garden and they blamed me. I didn't even have even fire. I want a person it And the Dad's like, you motherfucker.

00:39:16
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you just got got to do with me? And he's like he's a very emotional guy. She like his daddy's.

00:39:21
Speaker 2: I think he's got a good heart, but he's a little bit crazy. He's going to be a major factor in this fight. He can't afford to lose his mind in this fight the dad and start being emotional, you know what I mean.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: They've got to be They've got to be on it, especially against your cook.

00:39:34
Speaker 4: The old school ship in the Bronx now where Olivia's he's the people's hope. He's triangle keep his father out of here, up telling you know, the old school. I guess, father, I'm telling you. The man was screaming on me like adaka Trasi your pups.

00:39:51
Speaker 1: The story you know that he told us.

00:39:53
Speaker 2: I saw him tell a story to someone recently, said that he put it on you.

00:39:57
Speaker 1: You're a femal. Yeah, No's dad said. You know.

00:39:59
Speaker 2: In fact, Joe come at me. I said to him, fuck you, and then apparently you just turned your back and walked off. I didn't think that was true.

00:40:05
Speaker 4: I'm the most respectable guy you ever seen in your life, especially for somebody's father. This man, this is what we're doing, yo, Eddie. This man came at me like yo, fuck dad. Belonga ain't the only lacked you know. My son is this and this and that. Un fortunate enough because the kid is nice. He got knocked out two days later, right where he was at in Atlanta. He touched the canvas to your female touched the canvas two days later, right after he turned the mother. He threatened me his father. Two days later, he touched the canvas for the first time. I said, what the fuck they called me. We was in Canada or something. They was like, yo, homeboy touched the canvas. I said, you know what, father, he was talking that shit. I was with fucking held the barge when he was cursing me out and the fucking barge. That motherfucker Damn clarkead rest in peace with us.

00:41:06
Speaker 3: Everybody gonna be tuned into the fight this Saturday, and hard Rock Bet is doing the special Joe and Jay the Prophet boost on the Chaquaur and t O Femo fight. So you know what I mean, be considerate when you think of who you're gonna take this Saturday.

00:41:26
Speaker 1: Who's the winner of this fight? Chess, because you always Saturdays.

00:41:29
Speaker 2: This Saturday decided squid on design your feo Coors Stevens.

00:41:36
Speaker 1: I thought you were No. I'm just giving it, you know what I mean. After talking to you, I gotta go with your call, man, You know what I mean.

00:41:46
Speaker 3: I gotta go with your call just because you told me how much of a genius for boxing is and if he's able to bet him, it's gonna be a tough night for till I'm going to your call.

00:42:00
Speaker 1: Knew because you were about to have a fight with his bibe. Listen, I don't want no beef for Tia Femo.

00:42:06
Speaker 4: You want to know what I'm going for TiO Femo, but never bet where I go because I never win.

00:42:13
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you.

00:42:14
Speaker 4: Right now, anybody, I'll yell out. I want once who I want Terror's conference?

00:42:20
Speaker 1: Now, I put a bet. They don't take my bets? How about that? How about that? They won't even take my bets. I call all the bookies.

00:42:28
Speaker 4: They like, yo, yo, your money's not good. I swear to God, they don't want me to bet. They might win and you go start fucking losing all your money, like yo, No, they won't let me back. I lost, but long I against Canelo, like I really believed it, like I really bet, like twenty thirty thousand on. No, I'm not lying, like I really better than lost it one fight I lost. On I'm sitting there with Chris Gotti in Vegas, and uh well, one of my greatest, my favorite fighter, Chris Gotty. And what's the guy he used to win all the fucking he was banned from Vegas because he was the best gambler.

00:43:08
Speaker 1: Peel life.

00:43:09
Speaker 4: I love it, and these motherfuckers don't stop, y'all. Let's bet, let's bet. Let's bet, said, I don't bet, let's bet, let's bet, Let's bet.

00:43:17
Speaker 1: I don't bet. Let's bet. Let's bet.

00:43:20
Speaker 4: And one of my favorite fighters of all time is rest in Peace Diego Corlis.

00:43:26
Speaker 1: And I used to.

00:43:27
Speaker 4: Love how he get knocked down to get up and this and this and that, and I said, all right, twenty thousand. They called him at twenty thousand, Diego Boom through the ropes. The guy knocked him like, I mean safe, like out the ring, like you're never seen in your life, the way he fell out that ring.

00:43:45
Speaker 1: I was at that fight by I lost in a split second. Can I take it back?

00:43:50
Speaker 4: They came to my room about twenty times that day. I could not leave Vegas without giving him a twenty grand. They did not trust me, And so teller Hoyat what the shit he does?

00:43:59
Speaker 1: Now? What do you you know?

00:44:01
Speaker 4: We got a lot of rappers trying to be relevant doing the most amazing clown ship we ever seen in our life.

00:44:08
Speaker 1: What do you think about Della Hooya with all this ship he's doing. I mean, it's an interesting technique, you know.

00:44:13
Speaker 2: I've got to say, like, in terms of active promoters, he's out there, I mean he's he's promoted. But the clap back Thursdays and all this it ruffles feathers that can sometimes fragment relationships and you know, sometimes someone I'm not going to.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: Work with him or whatever.

00:44:31
Speaker 2: But you know, legendary fire and I mean obviously the big the big coup with with your boy Edgar.

00:44:38
Speaker 1: You know, for the wins that fight, he's the man. Yeah, but I got wins that fight.

00:44:42
Speaker 4: He's the man shut down de la Hoyer to the point of where that's a good point where somebody got to choose to be the villain to somebody that choose to be the hero.

00:44:53
Speaker 2: You know, it could ruffle the feathers of the industry, but people are talking about it, and conversation is key, you know in the world where at least people.

00:45:02
Speaker 1: Are out there talking about it.

00:45:03
Speaker 2: People are liking it, people are hating it, people are loving it, you know, but it's better than doing nothing.

00:45:08
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got.

00:45:09
Speaker 4: Lets he have a bad case of like he can't fight no more because he's older and he's a little upset. But he's tell Owyer because it looks like if he could get in the ring, if you started senior citizenship his fight where you can you know one thing you.

00:45:23
Speaker 2: Could never take away from him was he was one of the greatest fighters of all time and you know, for everybody. So probably sometimes he's looking at some of these guys now thinking I would have bought you know what I mean.

00:45:36
Speaker 1: So what's done? He's done. But obviously he's.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: Big fall out with Canelow. Those guys were together for years and then Canello sued him, and you know, it all got a bit ugly and nasty.

00:45:47
Speaker 1: And we got that in hip.

00:45:55
Speaker 4: But yeah, well with me, I stopped discovering the larady and invest in. So similar to your father, I grew up in the connect what you call that, the projects, the connect counselor counselor of state, here's the projects. And I made a name for myself. But I grew up dirt poor, like you would go through my family tree maybe one hundred years.

00:46:21
Speaker 1: None of us never had money.

00:46:24
Speaker 4: And so I take pride in if I create this opportunity for someone who is talented. But I'm gonna put you in the right wounds, are gonna get you, the right people to collaborate.

00:46:36
Speaker 1: I'm gonna promote you.

00:46:38
Speaker 4: And once I do that and you start becoming a millionaire and making big money, then you start saying, fuck fat Joe.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: He never did nothing me right. That put a bad taste in my mouth.

00:46:53
Speaker 4: And the thing they do pause, and the thing they do in hip hop is is you could rest assure that they're breaking out the second they can, the second they see that light in the tunnel, when they say I can do my own thing, I don't need this guy, They're gone. And so there's really no real loyalty in hip hop when it talks about spending money on the artists and making the artists and you know, I see it happens to you too. I mean, it must break your heart, it does.

00:47:27
Speaker 2: But you become accustomed to it because it's the game and it's never going to change. Some people are loyal, some people will respect what you've done for them, and others. One it happens in boxing all the time, so there's no point losing. My dad says to me, sometimes have you fun like that sort of thing might happen and I'll do an interview and I'll go listen.

00:47:47
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I think, well, we did.

00:47:49
Speaker 2: A lot for him, and maybe it wasn't recognized, but good luck, good luck at his grip.

00:47:53
Speaker 1: How that goes to me, I didn't fucking problem, you know, my dad.

00:47:56
Speaker 2: Retired from boxing to get out of the aggravation of boxing because he was just he got like he just thought all his fing.

00:48:04
Speaker 1: I stopped signing people.

00:48:05
Speaker 4: I could have signed people like Pitt Bull, Rick Ross, the biggest artist in the world, but I was already so turned off.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Yo, why are you giving that fit? I'm telling you the truth. Why are you giving that place?

00:48:18
Speaker 4: You know, I discovered I discovered Dj Callan, I discovered Big Pond, I discovered all these guys. So I had the opportunity signed these other guys and I passed on it. And right now Rick Ross has his own yacht, his own everything. He's the richest motherfucking the game. If I'd have got one percent, I'd have been good. But I was so turned off by the industry that I was like, I'm tired of doing this.

00:48:45
Speaker 1: I'm tired of But.

00:48:46
Speaker 2: It probably it probably gives you a bad reflection and understanding of life because you think that's the normal.

00:48:52
Speaker 1: So like in boxing, you just have to understand it ain't normal.

00:48:55
Speaker 2: And it actually can not make you a bad person, but make you a little bit unhappy because you go, do you know what, life's full of?

00:49:02
Speaker 1: Arseholes?

00:49:02
Speaker 2: I can't believe this guy is doing that, but not everything in life is like that. But unfortunately boxing is like that. Probably your industry the same. But if you get if you allow it to play with your emotions, you're going to be a miserable person.

00:49:14
Speaker 1: You know.

00:49:14
Speaker 4: Over year we get a big bad name for Don King, right because you hear the story makee Tason be the mob he allegedly stole his money, mate taking Tasa says that, But Don.

00:49:27
Speaker 1: King he's a legend out here. Well.

00:49:30
Speaker 2: Don King's probably away from the ethics, probably the greatest promoter of all time. And the reason it is that when there was a show in town, he made sure you knew about it, right, And what he was was he was a performer as well, Right, he came out there with the flags, wan't he like? I mean that you knew he might invented branding and marketing every more. I mean that was you know, but he'd be with.

00:49:53
Speaker 4: The UK flag, the US, the UK when he got the few k up there.

00:49:57
Speaker 1: He don't give a fuck, Joe.

00:49:59
Speaker 2: You know, he's still go right, he still has and still to this day he's the hardest person to deal with. But whenever I say there's a there's a guy who's a world cruiserweight champion, who's you red he should don King. I'm my fucking now, he's impossible, impossible to do a deal.

00:50:21
Speaker 1: Like he just can't help himself. Even now, he's like because he owned the whole game. He on the TV, the pay per view. Huh.

00:50:28
Speaker 4: He got that building over there in West Palm where the ship got the Donkey don King. Don King's a guy that when he dies, they're gonna run under that mattress sofa. They're gonna he's gonna be like, oh choppo, they'll break, They're gonna break the walls looking for some ship. Don King got cash. Nobody's ever seen like you talk about small face twenties, Yo, that motherfucker don King.

00:50:54
Speaker 1: I tell you a story. Were the first rappers.

00:50:57
Speaker 4: And every time I say this, you know they got a thing with me now on the internet like Fat Joe lives. But we're the first rappers to ever perform and bring a boxer in. So now all that bullshit, you see what every box everybody we started it Me and Big Punt. Shout out to cal Knan Cheeto. Trinidad was my favorite boxer. Mama, at least my first, but the second was Tito trindidat Puerto Rican Power loved him to death. So he's fighting Dela Hoya. So I tell Carl Kanan, I know he knows Don King, and I'm like, can you introduce me to mister King. So he says, sure, you know, I'll be in Miami next week. We could ride up together. So we ride up to Palm Beach wherever his shit. That's where I see the building, this, this, that. So daunt King's standing there. He got a guy playing the piano, and he's looking at the guy playing the piano. Maybe an hour or two. He doesn't say a word. Said there, Well, what the fuck you want? Like, hey, mister King, I been like, by the way, we're the biggest rappers on the earth. We just broke a record first Latino to sell two million. I said, we on fire. You understand what I'm saying, So, like, were the biggest ship. I'm sitting there. He goes, how can I help you? Because I know you here had asked me for something. I said, well, mister King, you know we uh.

00:52:25
Speaker 1: We love Tito Trinidad with the number one rappers this and this and that.

00:52:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I got Ricky Martin for that, I said, but you know this is fighting right, and Big Pun and Fat Joe. You know, it makes more sense for Tito Trinidad to come out with us, you know. But of course Ricky Monak, come on, everybody, Look we do that dunk. He had that ship, no no living like god, he's a legend. But what I'm trying to tell you is he was going that route. She sat there. I said, Yo, we're the biggest, we selling millions of records, this and that. Till he looks at me, So I think about it, leave your number, this, this, that. So when we left, he probably acts some grandchildren, some nephews. Yo, you know, Big Pun and Fat Joe. They was like, yo, them boys on fire, Like are you crazy? They really are the guys.

00:53:20
Speaker 1: He calls me up.

00:53:22
Speaker 4: He says, I'm gonna make it happen for you, but you gotta pay for all your own shit. I'm not spending a dollar on this shit.

00:53:30
Speaker 1: It's up.

00:53:30
Speaker 4: We said, all right. So we flew out the Vegas and we walked the Idolin. You know, Trinda that being big punt and that started all at Like I've seen people's eyes open up in the crowd like they've never seen a rapper rap with a boxer.

00:53:45
Speaker 1: And he won that night, Trinda, that won that night.

00:53:49
Speaker 4: And you know if I, if I boxed right, welcome to the Fat Joe and Jady's Joe, lose your new records and uh I five bucks And I knew I didn't have a shot I going there in that first second round with all I got to try to bring them with the kitchens, sink blow, you know, not just bullshit, and eventually you're gonna lose anyway.

00:54:17
Speaker 1: And then we see that over and over.

00:54:18
Speaker 4: In boxing when somebody drives like you know, you're about you know about that eight frown, they gonna.

00:54:23
Speaker 1: Stick that jet.

00:54:24
Speaker 2: Somebody that's saying that, someone says, you know, well done, you did just enough to lose.

00:54:29
Speaker 1: I don't like that.

00:54:30
Speaker 2: That's what so many people get into a fight and they're like, you know what, losing on points ain't the end of the world. I can come again. So but you never tried to win, did you really talked? With that hardest sport in the game. You lose one fight and that's it. You're a bump.

00:54:44
Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, But I don't think.

00:54:45
Speaker 2: I think that's the perception to a lot of people try to protect the oh right, And really, if you're in good fights and you people want to watch you fight, it doesn't matter. You know, we're known for our competitive matchmaking. Sometimes we had last Saturday, Andy Kruz, a Cuban. He's six and oh he fought the world champion twenty three and oh, our guys, the Olympic gold medalist. He's only had six fights, so we gambled. We lost a real close decision in a brilliant fight, and everyone's going, why'd you put him in that early?

00:55:18
Speaker 1: No?

00:55:18
Speaker 2: No, we all believe he was ready for that fight because he's an exceptional talent. But guess what, he was in a great fight. Everybody loved the fight. Everyone said, respect to you. You had six fights, you rolled the dice. Next fight he'd be back and guess what, his profile will be higher and we'll go again.

00:55:34
Speaker 1: So it doesn't don't get me wrong.

00:55:36
Speaker 2: You never want to lose, and you don't want to lose two men, But if you're in the great fights and people remember those nights and those fights, it's not the.

00:55:43
Speaker 1: End of the world.

00:55:44
Speaker 4: Somebody I really love Anthony Josh destroyed Jike. You biased too, you with the UK like a motherfucker, Edie, I'll watch you had all the fights. He's like you like a little don king. You got your little silent like that. Yeah, that motherfucker.

00:56:03
Speaker 1: He looked like a.

00:56:04
Speaker 4: Greek gladiator compared to this guy. Recently he's in the tragic accident. Now met his friends and great, how's he doing? Have you communicated with.

00:56:15
Speaker 1: Him last week? I went to see him just man so tracked.

00:56:19
Speaker 2: Like you said, we come off the back of the Jake Paul fight, and it's been a tough year for him because he lost to the Why I got knocked out of the world title, I mean he took it that world to defeat. He's a very grave faced guy, super positive. The energy is unbelievad emotional. Yeah yeah, but like just.

00:56:34
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, let's do We're on it. Yeah, let's go. Yeah.

00:56:37
Speaker 2: And then that's hard. It is, because that's that's hard in any game. He's getting back up and say, yeah, I to make it. I could do it here.

00:56:45
Speaker 4: We don't sell a record, and then we'd still got to come back and say I believe in myself, I'm gonna do it.

00:56:50
Speaker 2: That ship is hard, especially when you've got to go in and fight, you know, in a ring with the whole world watching. So we come back. We got the Jake Paul call, which was a blessing from God.

00:57:00
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the.

00:57:02
Speaker 2: Profile, the audience, the fight himself, the money, everything was unbelievable. Finished that fight, you know, busted his jaw up.

00:57:12
Speaker 1: Brilliant guy.

00:57:14
Speaker 2: Do you know what marketing is very smart And by the way, I still say people criticized him in that fight. Oh he moved around the ring. Oh he held fucking right. I mean the guy was crazy. He was crazy even taking the fight.

00:57:29
Speaker 1: Second he sat down in yll rock ledghip.

00:57:32
Speaker 2: But also he took that shot on the chin. Don't get me wrong. It busted his jaw, but he still went down and went Wow, he wasn't asleep.

00:57:40
Speaker 4: No, you don't give a fuck. Let me tay some Him and his brother to wild white boys. They don't give a fuck, but they're smart, and America buys into that chip because they're like Rocky Balbo and they fight and they're fucking tough. I fucked with the Jake Baul and his brother, Logan Port. I don't give a fuck. I fucked with them. But he definitely officially I would have said boxing is rigged if he would have been the Antony just what I didn't.

00:58:10
Speaker 1: Gave four people saying to me, I was there a script? Oh are you going to take it easier?

00:58:15
Speaker 2: I mean, aj had been out the ring for a year and the guy was moving around, so they took him a couple of rounds to get old of them.

00:58:19
Speaker 1: But see that right, I am. We weren't playing. I mean that was that ship was club or a lane yea glass job?

00:58:26
Speaker 2: Respect respect to him and anyway, we come off that fight massive. I mean, all of a sudden, we got this new audience. Like women in America are like, oh, who is this guy? This guy gonna be all my children. It's not the UK women. Have you only just heard about Anthony Joshua And they're like yes. So we were on cloud nine, like we're flying. And then obviously he goes to Nigeria as the crash and it's just the you know, the roller coaster of life. But that was just brew Toery's two best friends with him every day in camp and he lived with him, you know what I mean.

00:58:58
Speaker 1: And then he is.

00:58:59
Speaker 2: So sad, you know, and a James el injured, busted a couple of ribs up, but more importantly lost his two friends. So again, at a moment, I think stuff will that takes a long time to thinking.

00:59:11
Speaker 1: You know, you ever get over it, you know, get depressed.

00:59:15
Speaker 4: I lost one of my best friends, my sister, my grandfather the same time. It took me two years and real depression seeing that help and therapists. And you're, Laurie, you know it's mostly women that go see therapists, right, You ever knew that every week I would go to be ninety.

00:59:32
Speaker 1: Five per seven. I've never seen another man.

00:59:34
Speaker 4: So when I used to go, and I was going in secrecy because I'm really tough guy, fat Joe at that time, and they got like these little rooms, I guess they all rent and it's just women out there. And I was the only guy who would come every Wednesday to see the women and shut up. Barbara messer Man. She helped me a lot, you know, learned, and thirty years later it was worth it.

00:59:58
Speaker 1: I still use what she to. He broke them out. Now, he broke them out because it's not old women. Now.

01:00:05
Speaker 4: Oh, when I was going and I would ask her and she would say not telling their business. She was like it's all women with successful husbands who feel like they go out of town all the time and they doing their doozy.

01:00:22
Speaker 1: It was just me and them. The women out there.

01:00:25
Speaker 4: They must have knew fat joke, because I was really you know, what's love was like number one in the world, and I'm going for therapy every week and it was tough. But she taught me a lot of things how to get help and all that. So it's very important that if you know he's going through that emotionally, he should seek some help.

01:00:42
Speaker 1: You could be a big man and walk up in there and get some help.

01:00:45
Speaker 2: You know.

01:00:45
Speaker 4: Therapy is very important for that, you know, because some people deal with depth. I was just talking to somebody I love today that her mother is dying, and I was just telling that I lost She knows.

01:00:57
Speaker 1: She came to the funerals. I lost my mother, the father, and brother.

01:01:01
Speaker 4: Last year three the hard way, And I told her, you know, this cycle of life, you know, that's actually as tragic that they're young and nobody knows how they're gonna die.

01:01:12
Speaker 1: They died in a car accident. You know, that circle of life.

01:01:16
Speaker 4: Man, it's coming for all of us, you know, And so shout out Anthony Joshua Man. I hope he's all right. Man, God bless his family. Top five greatest fighters all time, and we can leave it at that. I mean, let me tell you about this podcast. It's the mother fucking Joe and Jadas your biggest in the world on Netflix. You know why my partner's under the weather. I still shot it with him. Eddie Hearns gave us a fifteen minute, twenty minute window.

01:01:45
Speaker 1: He was sitting there for an hour and a half. He loves the shit.

01:01:49
Speaker 4: He ain't going nowhere. Eddie Hearn's Top five greatest of all time.

01:01:54
Speaker 1: Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard. That's my hero. So Ray was the man that's your father. Just yeah, just a quick one on that.

01:02:04
Speaker 2: When I started with the Zone, we built all the punditry, the commentators, everything, and the first thing I said to him was we need Sugar Ray Leonard and we.

01:02:12
Speaker 1: Signed Sugar Ray Leonard to commentary.

01:02:15
Speaker 2: That that's the wasn't good enough to do it, but I didn't give a I just wanted to meet him and signing and and uh, because he's he's unbelievable fight. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali, of course, Freud.

01:02:31
Speaker 1: Mayweather, but I mean Corford. You're going to take Corford, maybe Joe.

01:02:38
Speaker 2: The only thing with Cowford is he never got the chance to really fight the elite guys consistently because.

01:02:44
Speaker 1: They never wanted to fight him. He would have, but he sucked on boy up won the least. He no no, k not Canelo, the other guy just before that. Yeah, Spenser was good. Was Spence? But he was he was I don't get it wrong.

01:02:57
Speaker 2: He was a good win, but he wasn't any fine I don't think, not that you know, crash and stuff like that. But listen, it was still an amazing win. But Crawford, I feel like he had so much more in the tank because he was that good. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna tie number five with three or four guys. Crawford Ousik, unbelievable fire, undisputed at cruise away, undisputed at heavyweight. Evander Hollyfield one of my favorite biers. He was a cruise away that went.

01:03:26
Speaker 4: Up to he loved them. He beat up my taste and I went to the back. I mean crying. Watch but you watch.

01:03:32
Speaker 1: Riddick bow again against Evander holy Field and is.

01:03:36
Speaker 4: One of the greatest supportation. Fucking jab that boy, Oh my, I'll tell you punch me.

01:03:44
Speaker 1: He's in the tyrone. Queen La teeth for chase me for the knife.

01:03:47
Speaker 4: Some of these guys they want to prove on pussy, you know, right in the rear boom.

01:03:52
Speaker 1: Queen Ladietha chased me with a knife. This ain't that.

01:03:56
Speaker 3: That, ain't this grad Good kids, big some noise podcasts mister Eddie heard