Ken Rosenthal & Joe Davis join FT for World Series chat

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Speaker 1: Ft presented by Fox One.

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Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we're always really good with the chat answering their questions.

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Speaker 1: Do either of you have a question for the chat question.

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Speaker 3: Of who do we think wins? Is world series? That's the question who do we think wins?

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Speaker 4: And I know Dodger fans are gonna say the Dodgers and Blue Jays fans are gonna say the Blue Jays. But the people who aren't one of their fans, who's gonna win? Because it's down to best of three and everyone thought this was kind of gonna be a whitewashing by the Dodgers, and it hasn't been. It's been a very competitive, very fun series to watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no wash out. Let's start Best Step three, Best Step three.

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Speaker 2: Baby, Here's where I'm gonna start before we charge. So I had a back and forth with a fan, and I've done this with a few of the great Blue Jays fans. You know, we always do a segment or a show like our post game show last night, and you get the crowd.

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Speaker 1: That goes, oh, they love the Dodgers, Oh they love the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: We got that almost every show now, which is great. That means we're doing our jobs. Yes, So I decided to engage with one. Oh why because I enjoy it?

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Speaker 4: You enjoy torture, enjoy you enjoy torture, or you enjoy arguing with someone that doesn't have earlier reason.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually like trying to promote peace by saying, hey, like, how can we be better for you?

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Speaker 1: And let me explain my perspective here? Right. So I went through the entire rundown of what we.

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Speaker 2: Did last night, right right, because he's like, hey, you guys are just talking about the Dodgers offense not performing. What about respect for the Blue Jays, Like you guys don't even watch them? Or I've watched every Blue Jays postseason game, every Blue.

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Speaker 1: Jays postseason game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I went through how we spent what twelve minutes on the postgame show to start, and it was all about Vlad and the big seventh inning, etc. Right, So we went through the whole thing, and I just said and he appreciated that, and his response was more about how he feels like the one Canadian team in the sport doesn't get respect and how it's looked at in the US. I have replied to him, Ye, because I'm gonna do it on this show. We do not care where the team resides.

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Speaker 4: Why would we care where the team resides. I mean, we did a whole thing on the expos.

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Speaker 1: I think it's cool that there's a team in Canada.

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Speaker 4: I think there are I wish there was a team in London, Tokyo when I was playing. That would have been awesome to flight all those different places in play. Like, I love going to Canada, you know, other than other than the ketchup is a little bit different when you go to like McDonald's and there's things that tastes just a little bit different. They have a lot of relief delicious stuff in Canada, and I enjoyed the people there. I enjoyed going there. I enjoyed the Rogers Center. I didn't hit very well there, but I still enjoyed going there.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think krats for me. The perception from some is, oh, well, they're just paying attention to their own country. And if you're in the country, I know with US three, you would think completely differently. If anything, you can make a case for some of the teams who maybe are in super small markets and their owner doesn't give a crap and so they're never relevant, right like Rockies fans have much more beef.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: We talk about the Blue Jays a ton, and I think they have a ton of respect in our sport. And I think there's nothing that says, oh, they're in Canada, so let's give them.

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Speaker 1: Less attention, or like let's watch less games of them.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not speaking for you know, the Yankees and Blue Jays have beef with the broadcasters, like fun beef. Oh they're not good, they're not relevant. Both sides have done that all year. We're not involved in that. But help me out here.

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Speaker 3: No, I could really care less where the team is, like it's death.

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Speaker 6: Besides AJ hating the Cubs, I'm pretty sure there's no way we're going to cover any team less that's in the World Series. If it was the Cubs, maybe we wouldn't cover them, but now we still would.

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Speaker 3: We would cover them. You're right, we would.

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Speaker 6: But no, it doesn't matter that they're in Canada. They could be in Buffalo like they were the in COVID, or the year after COVID they were in Dunedin, like they're a big league team. As long as they're a big league team, We're going to give them just the same amount of love and the same amount of hate as we give any other team.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's all so I was. I'm not complaining. It's not like a back and forth fight. I just wanted more for our Canadian events to know that we love you just as much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and with that, let's charge we have no problem charge about And with that we're going to start talking about the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: Well are we Why now we.

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Speaker 1: Can go either direction.

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Speaker 2: This is just a ten minute preview before we talked to Ken Rosenthal. Oh but after our postgame show, which we'll do another postgame show after the next game, Game five. But after our Game four post game show, Dave Roberts spoke and said something that was a big topic on our show.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sleep.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna think long and hard at night about any potential lineup changes. Okay to me, that means he's going to make at least one change. When you start saying that, I feel like one change.

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Speaker 3: What's a change?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 3: It's call for pahes.

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Speaker 1: I'm you know.

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Speaker 2: I was up, couldn't sleep last night and started looking into Kim and his numbers because I'm like, why is he completely irrelevant in the postseason?

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Speaker 1: They don't think that.

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Speaker 2: I think he's I like that idea. Let's figure out a way to get Kim in the lineup, Kratz, what about you.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they'll go that far outside the box for some reason. I don't think they've they've let him.

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Speaker 6: I think my suggestion the other day, if Tommy Edmond is completely out, like he cannot go, I like, he can't go to the center field, then you know, the change is probably call I think that's kind of a boring change in my opinion, because he's gonna have a tough He's gonna have a tough writy. Alrighty, I think Kim would give you. I think Kim would give you a little bit of that you know, twenty nineteen Dodgers platoon advantage that you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so we'll see what he does.

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Speaker 2: Now, pitching wise, let's start just while we're on on Dave Roberts with how the Dodgers plan to.

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Speaker 1: Attack Trey Savage.

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Speaker 2: Not sing it the split, not swing at the split. But it's a really good split. And how difficult is it to differentiate a splitter like that from a heater.

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Speaker 4: It's really hard from the angle he throws from. The split is always the hardest pitch. Was always the hardest pitch to figure out, because like when you face Tim Hudson, right, he throw that low sinker and then he throw the split that came out exactly the same and it just started on the same plane and went down. One of them kind of ran away more of a two seamer, And this was the speed and the movement. It was glossy and movement when it comes out of the same exact slot. Because when you teach somebody to throw a split, right, yeah, so let me grab this ball real quick. Like, so like let's say you hold your two seamer like this right with the ball, and then you just take your you take the same grip, but you just choke it a little bit more like this. And everybody you teach him to throw at the exacts, just throw it just like you're throwing a fastball as hard as you can. Just rip it, and it's the more of the ball being back in your hands that slow it down. Now everyone holds it a little bit different like you know, some guys go way deep, like Jose Contreras used to grip it like all the way back in his fingers and have his fingers split, and it was.

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Speaker 3: Like a knuckleball, right.

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Speaker 4: But the good ones like Clemens Hudson that had the true, like very late split, it was because of the speed and the movement, and it looked exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Coming out of their hand.

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Speaker 4: Because like people that say, oh, you see the dot, you do see a little bit of a dot, but it's so fast. But the split and the fastball look exactly the same because they have they're supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Now some of them don't.

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Speaker 4: But it's so quick that you don't see anything and it just goes shoot and then you're like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, get it, get the ball up.

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Speaker 4: Well, then if now guys throw high fastballs and split, so you're like, oh, make it go up and it's ninety eight of your chest.

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Speaker 1: You can't hit that either, and you recognize it so late in the game.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the thing with the split. That's why to me, it's always been the best pitch. And there was that long time where oh, you'll hurt your arm if you throw it.

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Speaker 3: Right, but it wasn't really the split. It was more just others stuff that was going on.

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Speaker 2: Throwing hard. Apparently krats can cause arm issues.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and some of the best splits that I've caught guys like guys manipulated a little bit. I don't know that your savage is there. My fear with you savage is I don't think his stuff is nasty. I think it comes from a unique angle. I think it comes from a place where you know, the reason you're you can't hit a pitch is because the reason you can't hit a late life fastball is because you're thinking your mind processes that it's gonna drop however many inches. And when guys have late life fastballs, that's why it gets on you. That's why they pop it up, That's why they swing and miss under it. I don't think tray you savage is stuff pops out very like. It's not like unbelievable stuff. It's just coming from a weird angle. So are the Dodgers. And have the Dodgers made enough of a adjustment from seeing him one time? I mean last time show he struck out, and then the next guy to strike out with pages, So they went one through nine nobody struck out and Max's Max's uh strike out that he had Max Muncy that was like a splitter that looked more like the forkball that he was that Contraras used to throw that like just dove out of the way and you'd see swings that You're like, I don't know, So can they put it in play enough? And is that you know, is he going to be able to make an adjustment if they are putting it in play to be able to get to another part of the zone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the Dodgers attack plan. What about the Toronto attack plan.

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Speaker 3: The same exact one they had on Snow in the first game.

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Speaker 1: But what if Snell's stuff is like it was in the.

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Speaker 3: Prior, You gotta attack Blake Snow early kind of.

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Speaker 4: You can't let him get the two strikes because one thing about Blake Snow you have to understand he never gives in. He just knows at some point someone's going to swing it a slider in the dirt or a curveball or change up or something get themselves out.

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Speaker 3: So he never ever gives in. He never just says like.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's three to one, I'm just gonna throw a heater down the middle, like he's like, Oh, I'm gonna throw try and now if I walk you, I'll just punch out the next guy. Like that's how Blake still thinks. And that's if you watch him pitch. That's why he's gotten better at it. But that's why his pitchcown he used to run up so fast, was because he never gave in.

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Speaker 1: So do you need to take more against him? Even if you're an aggressive team.

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Speaker 4: Like that's the thin line because then you could behind ohing two right right, So if you take more. It was always like, oh, let's get this guy's pitch count up. Oh okay, but then we're zing too and we're punching out ten times, twelve times and six innings, Like is that better? Or what if we go up there and look for first good one and take a swing at it. That's what the Blue Jays did. But he was kind of all over the place in the first game. Maybe he'll be more settled as Dodger Stadium it's a second World Series start this time around, Maybe he'll be a little more settle. Plus he's gone good bad, good bad, good bad a little bit kind of like the way Beaver did, so I think he'll be better, but it's I mean, he's he's good.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to if.

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Speaker 4: I'm especially if I'm hitting off him, don't I want my three swings. I don't want to go up there and be like, oh god, I gotta take one. Oh now I'm one crap, Yeah, get him out in front. If I was facing Jamie Moyer and we went into that with his seventy and I'm like, I can put this ball in play more than likely, then I get it right. But not against the guy that can punch you out on three pitches. I want my three swings.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't like to give in. So then if it's three to two, is it in your head that this is a guy that often won't give in, and there's a decent chance, maybe more so than most pitchers that you face, that he's just going to bury something in the dirt, even on three to two crafts and try to get you to chase.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, I mean not giving in just means he's confident in throwing all of his pitches. He can throw them for strikes, but there's not just he doesn't need to just throw it. Get me over and I think we talked about it in Game one, and I think the Blue Jays did a good job. Part of being aggressive is you got to catch him out front. Everything is going to be going on a downhill plane. That slider has been nasty besides the last time out, and even that heater up. You got to catch it out front. You can't be like, ooh, I'm gonna wait, wait and let this stuff get deep because by that time the pitch is finished and you're and you're cooked. So I think guys that catch pitchers out front will have success, and that's where they got to stick to that and part of that's being aggressive.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Before we get back to the TV crowd, here minute and a half Shane Bieber this from Mitch mannon The Athletic. Shane Bieber said it was Sureser who prompted his offering to be available in that eighteen inning marathon. He said in the eleventh or twelfth inning, Shuzer went to him and goes, quote beeps, if it got squirrely, you could tell the wheels returning, and he's like, can you.

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Speaker 3: Pitch veteran guy? He knew it wasn't gonna be him because he pitched that game, so he's like, all right, who do we got left? It's like lurking, he's looking for anybody.

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Speaker 2: He's smart though, like beebes, can I interest you in pitching in this game?

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Speaker 1: But hey, that's what a veteran.

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Speaker 3: That's a veterans are supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: Or when you sign a guy and you're like, hey, this guy is worth more than just what you're getting.

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Speaker 4: Teams don't understand that. They're like, oh, we got we can sign this. We can sign this veteran for two million, or we can sign this rookie guy, bring him up for seven to fifty. The experience, excuse me. The experience is what teams used to do. And he used to use these guys for I remember when I first came up, we had Ron Koomer, Terry Steinbag, Brent Gates, Denny Hawking was a guy that was around for a while.

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Speaker 3: Like these are the guys who sat down Tom Prince.

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Speaker 4: He sat down and talked to him for a long time, and you would talk baseball with him, and they would teach you things, and they would explain things how life.

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Speaker 3: Works and how the game works.

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Speaker 4: And now those guys are kind of going away and I'm not talking about superstar players. I'm just talking about veteran guys that knew and understood how it worked.

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Speaker 2: Also, it doesn't work, bieb said Bullpen later in the series. He's like, of course, world Series, said Scoop Time with Ken Rosenthal from Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Ken, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I'll start a big picture and then we'll focus on a couple more detailed topics. So the column you put out this morning is titled as World Series pressure Titans Resilient Blue Jays insist on keeping things loose. Just from judging that article by its cover, doesn't every team try to keep the World Series vibes loose? Or do you really feel something different with this team because you've covered a ton of these.

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Speaker 5: Both and I addressed this in the article.

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Speaker 7: Great teams always talk about how resilient they are, how they overcome.

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Speaker 5: The odds, how people are against them, all this stuff.

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Speaker 7: But the Blue Jays have demonstrated this time and again this season. And as I wrote and I said last night of the broadcast, too led the Majors in comeback wins during the regular season. In the ALCS, they're down two to zero after losing the first two games at home, they're down three to two after a crushing loss in Game five.

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Speaker 5: Win that.

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Speaker 7: So what they did in this game last night, without George Springer, with a pitching matchup seemingly favored favoring the Dodgers, what they did was in character. And yes, all teams like this do have a certain resilience, and we know that this team though to me and having been around them now.

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Speaker 5: For a few weeks, it's a special quality.

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Speaker 7: And I can't say it's more special than any other World Series champion, a World Series team, but it sort of defines them and they talk about it a lot.

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Speaker 4: Ken, at what point are you media folks that are just rooting for the Dodgers? Are we gonna stop being surprised? Are you guys gonna stop being surprised by what the Blue Jays are doing? Because you know the Yankees. Oh, they're gonna lose to the Yankees at some point. Oh they're down to the Mariners, they lose the first two games. Oh, the Dodgers, like you said many times, are just gonna squash them like little bugs. Ken, at what point do you media folks stop being surprised by what the Blue Jays are doing?

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Speaker 3: And how good.

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Speaker 5: First of all, First of all, I never said that. I don't care who is.

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Speaker 7: Of all, AJ don't play the U media folks game when you are now in the media. Now what you're saying, though, there is a certain validity to it, not just among the media but among fans. The expectation is that the Dodgers were going to be favored in this series, and they were, and that they probably would win in five or six games, which they still could do at least six games. The perception was that way because of the defending World Series champions. They've had an interesting kind of year, but they got hot at.

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Speaker 5: The right time.

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Speaker 7: Now what has happened is the Blue Jays have gotten hot at the right time too, and the Dodgers, while they're pitching has been outstanding starting pitching, their offense has sagged and their bullpen remains a question.

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Speaker 5: So this series, in my mind, was never going to be a route. I thought it would go six, and I thought the Dodgers would win.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm not so sure, to be perfectly honest, because what we have is a best of three, with two of the games potentially in Toronto.

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Speaker 6: Does this become a win for the Blue Jays because there's been there's been. You can see a little cracks in the armor when you look at like, Okay Snell, they got to Snell and show hey wasn't awesome glass. Snell can have his things, but Yamamoto, nobody's cracked Yamamoto. So does this become a must win for the Blue Jays because of how good Yamamoto has been?

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Speaker 7: You can look at it one of two ways, Eric, and certainly the way you just described.

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Speaker 5: You've got Yamamoto in game six.

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Speaker 7: He's coming off back to back complete games, brilliant performances.

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Speaker 5: You gotta win tonight.

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Speaker 7: But to go back to the original question that Scott asked, if they got down three to two in the Alcs end, they lost that game in crushing fashion. They were up in the eighth inning, cal Raley hit the home run and then Suarez.

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Speaker 5: We know what happened. And yet they go back home and they win.

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Speaker 7: They go back to Toronto, and who knows what might happen in game six.

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Speaker 5: Granted, Yamamoto was brilliant.

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Speaker 7: In Game two, and that's going to be something in their minds a third time. I would seem to think that he can, but I don't know Eric that anything we've seen this postseason, even in the regular season, has gone according to what we necessarily expected. And if this series has one or two more surprises, that wouldn't surprise me either. It would be nice for Toronto and they're pursued here to win tonight. Obviously, with Yamamoto in Game six, I don't think it's a must win.

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Speaker 4: I would think it's more of a must win for the Dodgers with Snell going as good as Snell was. I know he wasn't great in Game one, but to me, this is a bit because you don't want to have to go back.

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Speaker 3: To Toronto and have to win two games.

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Speaker 4: Everyone has kind of figured out that Toronto's a really hard place to play when the Blue Jays are good. You saw the watch party last night. There was I don't know how many people were in the Rogers Center slash SkyDome cheering and going crazy. Imagine if it comes back for Game six and seven and everything's on the line, that place is gonna forget the whole place.

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Speaker 3: All country's gonna be going insane.

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Speaker 7: That's true, and it's a good point because the Dodgers again tonight seemingly have the pitching matchup in their favor, Snell, you would think would be better.

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Speaker 5: He said fastball command was the issue in his last start.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't good by his estimation in that performance, and with the Blue Jays it's the Savage for the second straight start on four days rest. As Velo was down about a mile per hour on four days rest, which.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't done a lot in his previous start.

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Speaker 7: In Game one, so you would think that, yes, this is a game the Dodgers should win. But you probably would have thought that last night, especially without Springer. I wouldn't expect Springer to play tonight either, But this will be interesting tonight because again the Dodgers' offense, and I expect a lineup change. Pa Haes will probably be out of there tonight. The Dodgers' offense, except when Otani is rolling and maybe Freeman is doing some things, they're not doing a whole lot, and that's a problem pa Haes.

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Speaker 6: You just mentioned pa Haes being out. Is it just a simple Alex call because that's who's come off the bench the most. Or is there something where we asked Tommy Edmund to go to center field? Is it Kim in there? Miguel Rojas or is it just an easy swap. You think it's just an easy swap of Call, that would be my expectation.

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Speaker 7: Then it would be Call with Kik moving to center. Tommy Edmund has had that ankle issue. He hasn't played the outfield in a long time, even taken fly balls in quite some time, so.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't expect it to be Edmund.

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Speaker 7: There is a way if you put Edmund out there, that's how you get Rojas into the infield. But I just don't see that coming. What I see is Call in left and keyk in center. It's not ideal defensively, and that's why Dave Roberts has resisted doing it, because this is a team right now built on its pitching. But Pie Is I believe it's four for fifty right now in the postseason. It's not good enough, and the bats are largely empty. They are seemingly on the verge of a change here.

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Speaker 3: They have to make this change.

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Speaker 4: Ken, Do you think that they have to make this change because it's not like call Is. I mean, I know Calls a kind of a left handed specialist. Is this just making a change to make a change? Why not Kim at second base and try Edmund in the outfield.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, try something completely different. Like I feel like if you throw Kim out there, maybe it's a different dynamic. It's a guy that puts them all playing, can run and might put some pressure on the Blue Jays. But Bets hasn't. I mean, you guys showed it on the post game last night. Bets is not well, Kyk is not well.

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Speaker 1: Pa Hayes.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we know those struggles, but there's.

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Speaker 4: Not it's really show Hey and Freddy once he hasn't done much right, it's really show Hey and Freddy if they don't hit. But I mean you go back to the extra innings. Freddy's really the only one that did anything. They walked show Hey every time, clearly, but it's been show Hey and Freddy and the rest of the lineup is has been kind of like, ah, we're just.

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Speaker 3: Going through them.

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Speaker 4: Not they're going through the motions, but we're just like they're nothing, no damage, no anything.

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Speaker 7: Really, Aja, you're right, And the question with Edmund versus Kim or with Kim, if Edmund can't do it physically in center field, then it's not a question, No Rojas. No, Kim, you can't move Edmund off of the infield, so you ask if they have.

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Speaker 1: To do it.

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Speaker 5: No, they don't have to do it, and you can keep your defense intact.

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Speaker 7: But essentially you've got a dead spot right now in front of Otani and the way they are playing.

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Speaker 5: In my view, they need a jolt.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't even be surprised if Dave Roberts shook up the order tonight because they need some kind of different look, something to change the energy of that offense. And obviously one good night would change everything, right, that's how the postseason works. You look at it differently, but they really haven't had a good night in a while. They're averaging since the Division Series, I'm sorry, since the Wildcard round three point seventy five runs per game.

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Speaker 5: That's not good enough.

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Speaker 7: Even though they keep winning because mostly they're pitching has kept them going, they are not a team right now that offensively is imposing it all.

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00:25:06
Speaker 6: Is there a chance Springer gets to that bat in the rest of the World series? Because if not, is the fear of him looming like, oh, he had his uniform on, even with a with a shirt over top of it, better than low perfeto being activated and then they have more options off the bench.

00:25:25
Speaker 7: They're knocking on my door here, guys, even with the privacy sign on, I don't believe Springer will play again. But they're holding out hope. And the way john Stein had described it to me last night on this in the in game interview was, Hey, he made progress today.

00:25:47
Speaker 5: We think he may be a go tomorrow.

00:25:49
Speaker 7: I don't know that that's true, and we'll see the truth will come out in the lineup.

00:25:53
Speaker 5: When we see the lineup. But he is a guy that is really tough. We know that.

00:25:58
Speaker 7: We also know that leaks are really tricky, and that's what he's dealing with, or seemingly some kind of issue in his side, and because of that, I just can't.

00:26:08
Speaker 5: See him recovering that quickly.

00:26:10
Speaker 7: The kneecap that was bad, right, and he came back with only a day off between Games five and six of the ALCS, But it's really hard to do when you've got a side issue and he swings as violently as he does, so I have a hard time believing that he's going to play. And if he does, more power to him. I remember David Popkins, the hitting coach, saying in the ALCS after he got hit in Game five, you're gonna have your Kirk Gibson moment. This would be I don't know Kirk Gibson times too, because Springer already had that moment in Game seven of the ALCS.

00:26:43
Speaker 4: Ken By the way, the Blue Jays, I mean, I know Springer has been great for him in the postseason, but Boba schet stepped in and is doing a nice job as the dch It's not like they didn't have anybody to step in, and it actually kind of it improved their defense and kept their offense similar to when Baschette was out and they had so it's not like it was the end of the world. And that's a good thing for the Jays organization that they had the depth to do that. Now we've talked about Snow, We've talked about you Savage.

00:27:11
Speaker 3: What about the bullpens.

00:27:12
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, Dave Roberts threw a lot of his guys out there other than Sazaki yesterday to try to keep them in that game, whereas the Blue Jays they used Bassett.

00:27:22
Speaker 3: I mean, they use violin every day, so that doesn't really count.

00:27:24
Speaker 4: But you know who's more ready for this game five on the third day. I feel like the Blue Jays might be in a better spot bullpen wise, after the eighteen inning game and then yesterday than the Dodgers because the Dodgers did use a bunch of their guys up yesterday to try to keep that game close.

00:27:41
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still not in love with either bullpen.

00:27:43
Speaker 7: Even after the at and any game, which was a tremendous performance by both and you cannot take that away from them. But you're right, Ajay, based on last night and the way it went down. Yes, maybe the Dodgers used some of their guys to an extent that they weren't going to be comfortable with using them today. But Bassett through two innings after one inning of the night before, I believe, only twenty pitches. He is a guy that has a rubber arm. He can pitch, so that's a good sign for them. Flu Hardy, of course, was really good last night, and they're gonna need him to be really good because Brendan Little he's.

00:28:17
Speaker 5: Given up two huge homers in the postseason now, so.

00:28:20
Speaker 7: From the left side, it's really flu Hardy and Little, and you don't want to use Little. And the other one is Eric Louer, but he's more of a long guy. And of course he threw four or two thirds innings in the eighteen inning game.

00:28:30
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure I would give either team the edge with the bullpen, but.

00:28:36
Speaker 7: The Blue Jays because of what they're doing right now and Hoffman not being necessarily a big part of the picture so far except a little bit.

00:28:46
Speaker 5: Yes, they should be well positioned.

00:28:49
Speaker 1: Ken, good stuff.

00:28:49
Speaker 2: That was your call from the bullpen that you ignored, so you can tell them to leave you alone.

00:28:54
Speaker 1: You made your Ken?

00:28:55
Speaker 3: What did you do?

00:28:56
Speaker 4: I want to know what Ken did during the eighteen inning game because, first of all, like I did a proof of life check on Ken about the sixteenth inning because I hadn't heard from him in so long, so and I know I think Hazel May asked for pizza, So did you have pizza sent down there?

00:29:10
Speaker 3: What did you do during this eighteen inning game?

00:29:12
Speaker 4: Because after about the sixth inning, Ken, you were non existent, So I was just that's why I text you, Mike Ken, are you alive down there?

00:29:19
Speaker 7: First of all, everyone AJ Prizinski during the eighteen inning game was being Aj Prazinski texting me like why aren't you on the air?

00:29:26
Speaker 5: Why No, that is not what I said.

00:29:28
Speaker 3: Ken, I text you said, are you awake?

00:29:31
Speaker 5: Is what you said? Are you awake?

00:29:33
Speaker 7: I knew where you were going with it, and I'm gonna hang up right now, Aj, I knew where you would going with that, and you were being aj Prazinski and I wasn't gonna play your little game.

00:29:42
Speaker 5: Bye bye.

00:29:45
Speaker 3: Can San have a great show tonight, buddy.

00:29:48
Speaker 5: See guys, Thanks good stuff.

00:29:50
Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal on Fair Territory on Friday for the Fair Territory super Fans playoff scheduling is different Friday before Game six. You'll have Kenny Ball Game on there with Alana taking your questions. Trey Savage has a superpower. It's called just starting his postseason. So Sarah Lang said, this is going to be his fifth postseason start. No other pitcher has even made three postseason starts without his first within his first eight overall appearances regular season in postseason. He's going to be the first pitcher in MLB history to start multiple World Series games within his first eight career appearances.

00:30:29
Speaker 4: Awesome, and I think there was also he's this is his fifth postseason start and that's more starts than he made in Double A and a ball in Double.

00:30:36
Speaker 3: A or something Triple A.

00:30:38
Speaker 4: Something that's like some crazy style like I think he pitched four times in Double A and this is.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: His fifth postseason appearance and he's got it right. He's got the stuff, he's got the moxie.

00:30:46
Speaker 3: He understands how lucky he is too.

00:30:49
Speaker 2: Like, let's just well, he doesn't sound like he's whatever age he is, twenty two.

00:30:54
Speaker 1: He sounds like he's like thirty two.

00:30:56
Speaker 2: Like he sounds like he's got These are the guys you, Yeah, I listened to the guy that scout, the scout that signed him, like they they a lot of scouts think they've got it.

00:31:04
Speaker 8: Like they hurt though in college. I remember that's why he dropped. Yeah, he was hurt in college, especially as junior year. He was hurt because Velo was a little down when he was a guy. M hm, Pennsylvania guys have just built different. And he had six Triple I starts and now he has eight and he has he has five postseason.

00:31:26
Speaker 1: Starts every day.

00:31:29
Speaker 2: Louis has appeared in thirteen games this postseason Louis Island. Only two pitchers have appeared in more postseason games twenty seventeen, Brandon Morrow nineteen ninety seven, Paul.

00:31:49
Speaker 3: Paul Austin Macker is I just don't know how to pronounce lefty. Would you think it was acid maker? Austin Maker? He was a lefty that threw like down here. He was a reliever. He pitched forever. I think I faced Paul Austin Marcher.

00:32:01
Speaker 1: He pitched into the two thousands.

00:32:03
Speaker 3: Dude pitched forever. He pitched. He was he was on Indians teams. Uh. He was Gosh, he was like a lefty. He was like he was like.

00:32:14
Speaker 4: Jesse Rosco, like the lefty that every team had that was like a side arm left He just came.

00:32:19
Speaker 1: In fourteen seasons. Now he stopped to night.

00:32:21
Speaker 3: Pitched in ninety nine. I think I faced him in maybe ninety eight.

00:32:25
Speaker 1: Right as you entered the league. You got the famous Austen Macher.

00:32:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was like, oh, Paul Austin Marcher, I get to face him. This is awesome because when I I mean, he started in what year eighty six with the Braves, and I was a Braves fan as a kid.

00:32:38
Speaker 3: So of course I knew Paul Austin Macher.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: A little bit.

00:32:42
Speaker 6: He got better that year too. He got better in the World Series that year because Brandon Morrow did not Brandon Morrow was used, abused and got waffled. But Austin Maker, Shoot, he pitched all those games and then he went to the World Series. He had four innings, zero earned runs, gave up five hits.

00:33:06
Speaker 2: And you can listen to Can Tom Berducci, Kevin Burkhart, yesterday's guest, Joe Davis, Today's guest, John Smoltz.

00:33:17
Speaker 1: I think I got everything last week.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: He was like on last week, or so wasn't he Smoltzy.

00:33:22
Speaker 1: Smolts was last week? Yep.

00:33:24
Speaker 3: Leading up to the World A Rod, Jeter and Poppy.

00:33:27
Speaker 1: That's right.

00:33:29
Speaker 3: I would talk to them.

00:33:29
Speaker 1: What's his last name? The producer Macheska?

00:33:33
Speaker 4: What a by the way, I know y'all don't care, but I care. They did that piece in the pregame on if you watch the pre game. But he's retiring at the end of the World Series. This is twenty second World Series from baseball.

00:33:43
Speaker 3: He was from baseball. He's still doing football.

00:33:45
Speaker 4: This is his twenty second World Series he's done. And my first World Series that I did was twenty eleven. So he's been with me for almost fifteen years now, like when I was doing a pre and post and I've known p and he does games with me in the regular season. What a great guy and it was all to see him do that piece on Pete yesterday and I watched it and I text P and I go, I almost cried Pete, and he text me back like, of course that's a perfect response from you or something almost Yeah, almost cried. So I mean he's he's awesome guy. And I wish Pete the best. We're gonna miss him baseball and enjoy semi retirement.

00:34:18
Speaker 1: Pete.

00:34:19
Speaker 2: Oh, they're really giving it to him on the way out. He's gonna have at least six, if not seven games.

00:34:22
Speaker 3: Oh no, I texted me. I said, the best part is you get to go back to Toronto. And he's like, oh, Age, you're so funny. You're so funny. He's got that straight Jersey accent.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Your Jersey accent is interesting.

00:34:35
Speaker 3: I don't have that.

00:34:36
Speaker 2: Almost as good as crats as Canadian accent. Fox won try it seven days for free. You know we're talking about it the entire month because it's brand new. Click that QR code on your screen right now, support ft you track that link to see who likes us. Wow in the weeds looking fre I love it. Let's talk Vladdie Junior versus Vlattie Senior, his Hall of Fame father Jason Stark writing a column about the differences between the two in the postseason, and the little guy's got a beat right now.

00:35:16
Speaker 4: So I played against his dad in the postseason, okay, in two thousand and five.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: And here's the breakdown, right, Vlad Senior one hundred and eighty eight played appearances in the postseason, nine extra base hits. Vlad Junior has ten extra base hits in this postseason alone. He's beaten daddy O fifteen games into October. Vladdie junior slash line is four to nineteen, batting five hundred on base eight oh six, slugging a thirteen to oh six ops.

00:35:50
Speaker 4: He's having an all time postseason, all time. He's having an all time postseason. So yeah, that nobody can are they? Anybody could keep up with that. He's having an all time postseason. So his dad is in the Hall of Fame and Vlad Junior is on the track to be in the Hall of fame. But yeah, he's having an all time postseason and he's already too a place where his dad never got.

00:36:10
Speaker 2: I mean, he said, nobody has put a slash line together like that, And he said, even if we lower the minimum to twelve games played, there's only two other names on the four hundred, five hundred eight hundred Slash Line Club two thousand and four, Carlos Beltron with the Astros in nineteen ninety three, Paul Malider.

00:36:28
Speaker 3: With the Mali My god, Mallie.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: That's it.

00:36:31
Speaker 2: So okay, I'm going to use this example just because it's a recent one and it will probably piss some people off.

00:36:38
Speaker 1: Crats.

00:36:38
Speaker 2: But when Yankee fans say, get disappointed about a judge performance, and I know it was better this year, right, but it was a small sample size, obviously, they're looking at Vlad Junior being like, can he do that in the postseason. I mean, nobody has really done that as we're talking about, but this is a superstar bat who is elevating in the postseason.

00:37:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:37:05
Speaker 6: I mean, I think his his hit tool, I think goes underrated. I think his ability to hit because if he hits close to three hundred, then they're like, well, where's the power. Then he hits for power, They're like, well, is he sacrificing average? I think his You forget how young, how young he still is. You forget how fast his bat speed is. You forget how good his zone discipline is. I think he's been a one to one guy his entire career, I had this one walk to every one strikeout Like that stuff's unheard of, and now you're seeing it on this on the biggest stage. My favorite part before the World Series was he had more home runs than he had swings and misses. Can that be taught probably to not that, not to that level, but he's already an elite player that's taking his game to another level in the postseason. That's like, it's unheard of and that's why he's having a record setting postseason.

00:38:04
Speaker 2: Do you know that hit tool grade that Baseball America gave him back in the day as a prospect eighty eighty And they never give out eighties. We can ask on our show on Monday Day JJ, but they never give out eighties, like.

00:38:19
Speaker 1: Because he did.

00:38:21
Speaker 3: Because they never give him out.

00:38:23
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody gets eighties. I know there's sixties, some seventies, even seventies are tough. Eighties is like, whoa, this is something different and he's proving to be something different.

00:38:38
Speaker 6: You don't they don't give out eighties. Like It's like when you hear a guy that's like a sixty five, you'd be like, whoa seventy. He's going to be a perennial All Star type of player. And to get an eighty that early in like, it was pretty I heard a lot about him because my roommate manager of the Blue Jays, had him coming up through through the minor leagues and he's like, there's some special dudes.

00:39:04
Speaker 3: He said, this guy is extra special. He's right, and Bashett's not far behind him when he's healthy.

00:39:13
Speaker 2: Tool wise, Yeah, yeah, it's up there. But you're seeing it. I mean, this is.

00:39:20
Speaker 4: So for all the grief that we've given Blue Jays, well not all of us, but you guys.

00:39:25
Speaker 3: For what you know, not being not living up to the expectations, that actually is true.

00:39:30
Speaker 2: Up until this year, they did not live up to expect that. I didn't say that a lot of people had World Series picks in prior years.

00:39:36
Speaker 1: They just picked the wrong year.

00:39:38
Speaker 4: So but they're living up to it now. They are, and they got a chance to win the World Series. So all those people that said when Baschette and Flat get here, Junior, we're going to have a chance to make a run, well, boom here they are. Sad part is might be gone next year, but at least they have flat for thirteen more years, fourteen more years.

00:39:54
Speaker 3: If he's doing it.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they want bow, they can keep up. Yes, I agree, especially given the year that they're having right now.

00:40:01
Speaker 3: I agree.

00:40:02
Speaker 4: The Giants did that, though, and you kind of let them down the wrong path. They kept some guys after winning World Series. They might not have should have because of the World Series. But listen, Bo's young, and Bo can hit and bose shortstop and all those things, so I wouldn't be mad at all they kept Bo. I was a Blue Jays fan.

00:40:20
Speaker 2: I love it, and and to me, yeah, if you want to keep your core and the young guys, vladim Bo is the answer. They already handled Flad. One other quick note about the Jason Stark article. He said, the World Series matchup between Otani and Blad most expensive matchup in the World Series.

00:40:37
Speaker 3: One point two billion.

00:40:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, but really technically less with the deferred money net prison value. But still it's about a billion dollar matchup between.

00:40:48
Speaker 6: I saw Otani and I saw a stat Vlad has two homers off of Cheatani, Shelletani has zero off of Lad.

00:40:59
Speaker 3: So point Lad true two points.

00:41:06
Speaker 4: Actually actually yesterday was two points a game in the lead, so maybe three points. I don't know what the other homer was, if it was a solo or not.

00:41:13
Speaker 3: Yep, they're saying.

00:41:16
Speaker 2: Lad is probably the last position player on their list that would be pitching in a game, maybe after Bow and Springer because they're banged up.

00:41:24
Speaker 1: But then flads all the way down there.

00:41:26
Speaker 3: Maybe Kirk. I think Kirk might be.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Kirk's pretty far down there as well. He's got to catch here.

00:41:31
Speaker 3: He is.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: Joe Davis calling the World Series on Fox. Joe, great to have you on, man, Appreciate the time and no busy times. And how has your sleep been going the last few days?

00:41:43
Speaker 1: My friend?

00:41:45
Speaker 9: Better last night, I guess than two nights ago. I had no choice but to get a quick one a couple of nights ago. So caught up a little last night.

00:41:53
Speaker 3: Okay, you know KB yesterday, now Joe today?

00:41:58
Speaker 4: You know these these these these lead play by play guys for Fox or just such divas.

00:42:03
Speaker 3: Man, It's like, I mean, it's crazy.

00:42:06
Speaker 4: You know, one guy does the Super Bowl, one guy does the World Series, and oh I couldn't get my beauty sleep. I'm gonna have to have extra makeup today.

00:42:14
Speaker 9: Yeah, those bags, look at those things.

00:42:21
Speaker 1: Ask them, ask them about the meals.

00:42:23
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, by the way, we've done a lot of games together. Five o'clock, you stop eating. I've seen you eat it like six ish o' clock in New York and some other places.

00:42:33
Speaker 3: So like is it only five? Is it five Pacific? Or is it only five?

00:42:39
Speaker 9: Is it's five in a controlled environment. But if I'm dining with if I have the chance to dine with you, I'll push that back to like six o five for sure.

00:42:50
Speaker 4: But here's the thing, Like I'll bring in all the junk food, Like I bring in pizzas and whatever they have. You guys have all seen, like I bring in anything that they can get. Like usually Jen or or who that's doing Eric, whoever's doing the ops, will send me like bringing everything. Joe never touches it, like the turkey the other day, Like Joe, you took a bite out of the I think you actually did take a bite out of the turkey.

00:43:10
Speaker 1: But like not only chocolate cake.

00:43:16
Speaker 4: A little different, but every time you bring in like you have your own salad, you have your little jar, peanuts, you have this and that, Like look you're drinking out of your fancy water bottle. Meanwhile, I got my plastic water bottle here. You know, it's just we're just built.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: Different definitely alkaline.

00:43:30
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

00:43:33
Speaker 4: But like it's it's just amazing when you you know, you start you see you start seeing people for you know, different things, especially in eighteen innings, and they start talking about things that aren't the game, which we're gonna get to. But like you you know, you start hearing about five o'clock dinners and I don't know, Joe, I just think you've changed now because you've.

00:43:48
Speaker 3: Done too many world series.

00:43:51
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm sorry to Yeah, I'm sorry to let you down a j go.

00:43:56
Speaker 1: A good feeling, Joe.

00:43:58
Speaker 2: I have one more broadcast question then we'll get into the series. I called games in my heyday, and I'm wondering, do you ever get concerned when there's so much action going on in a game that you're going to miss getting to a call?

00:44:11
Speaker 5: Right?

00:44:12
Speaker 2: I used to call games for our YouTube Game of the Week, and we had so much action going on, and we did a great job of making sure we got back to the call. But sometimes like something happens, right, you brought the umpire on the other day and you're trying to get that explanation, which is great, but then nowadays with the pitchclock, you're getting right back to the pitch clock. There's just like a even with the turkey, right Like I've been there, dude, You're doing something in the booth and it's fun and it's good, but you're also like, I need to be paying attention because this could be someone's biggest home run I've ever.

00:44:41
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was funny when we had Mark Carlson on the other day to go over the play at the plate. Will Smith was up. This was I don't know, like thirteenth inning at that point or something, and I've watched Will Smith at five walk off home runs in the last five years and Mark's still going. I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this World Series game is about to end. While Mark's talking God bless him, like no fault of his own. It's just to your point, Scott, there is a lot of extra stuff in these games, and I just I trust Pete macchescar producer in our truck that we're going to make sure we're out of the way ninety nine percent of the time. It's just that was a unique one right there.

00:45:17
Speaker 3: For sure.

00:45:18
Speaker 9: It was like, we cannot miss this and this guy could do it on this next pitch.

00:45:23
Speaker 3: Joe, first of all, a great job beyond the thing that you guys did for Pete. Yesterday.

00:45:27
Speaker 4: I text Pete and said it almost made me cry. Of which part Pete was like, that was the perfect response, but it was. It was a great job what you guys did for Pete. But I always wondered this, and I've never asked to play by play guy this. How much do you pre plan your calls or how much do you just do they just come to you right like the Freddie meet Gibby thing last year and then to walk off again for Freddy. How much is this already in your head if this happens, or is it just straight off the cuff.

00:45:51
Speaker 9: I think it's somewhere in between. I never want to be scripted because I think it's going to sound scripted. But I'm always trying to lean forward and anticipate something big happening, so so then when it does happen, it's not just okay, home run?

00:46:03
Speaker 1: What does this mean?

00:46:04
Speaker 9: Like I can't figure that out in the moment. I'm not smart enough to figure out right there in the moment. The appropriate context for the call, and I think that's what it requires this time. Here is a caption that can really make it stand the test of time and that people can go back and watch that clip fifty years from now and know that it was more than just home run, like what did the moment mean? And for me to do that, I'm always thinking about, you know, the context around the game, around the inning, around the at bat, and then hopefully the right thing out of that thinking comes out as opposed to scripting it.

00:46:37
Speaker 1: Okay, so now let's get to biz here.

00:46:40
Speaker 2: I mean, you watch plenty of Dodgers baseball during the regular season. Two what are you seeing right now from some of their bats that are slumping? It obviously gets magnified in a series like this. And do you think that they will make a change?

00:46:54
Speaker 1: And why.

00:46:56
Speaker 9: I do think that they. I would anticipate bait them changing the nine spot. Not that Andy Pajes is the only problem, but Dave Roberts is hinted at that, and then another night where the offense goes quiet, so I could see a change coming. I'd say this though, Scott, I know when you look at the full numbers, they were a great offense. They were the number two run scoring team in baseball, behind the Yankees, but for two or three months they were bad, So it's not like they were just this machine for a full season. There were long stretches there, and granted that part of it had to do with injuries, but for a lot of this summer the offense was disappointing. This isn't that shocking to see them go through a stretch like this, however badly timed that It clearly is talking about the lineup.

00:47:41
Speaker 6: Would there ever be a chance that they would move Mooki in front of show Hey, somebody that can handle pitches middle because clearly teams are coming after Pajes and it's not working. Show Hay is like the ultimate like protection in the lineup. Couldn't you use show Hey to get somebody else hot like Muki, who is essentially why they've been intentionally walking show Hey the whole time.

00:48:06
Speaker 9: Yeah, I love the idea, and for a couple of reasons. Right, you got Mooki struggling, You have Otani who's getting pitched around because there's nobody on base when he comes on, so they have the freedom to handle him however they want to. Maybe it gets both those guys with the arrow pointed out, you get Bets a different look there, and you get Otani maybe with somebody on base. The other side of that is, I know Dave Roberts rarely is reactionary, and I know the desperate times call for desperate measures. You're looking your two losses away from your season ending, But I would be surprised to see that change, even though I totally see what you're saying and I think it makes sense.

00:48:46
Speaker 4: Joe, how surprised are you by what the Blue Jays could have done in this series? I know you've been following him for a couple of weeks now, and yes, they're really but if going into this, if you ask most people, everyone's like, oh, the blue Jays have no chance against the Dodgers, and yet here are they are right there? And we asked Ken earlier, We had Ken on earlier and he kind of gave us his answer. But how surprised are you, as someone clearly that knows more about the Dodgers than the Blue Jays, that the Blue Jays are putting up this kind of fight. Not only a fight, they're one hit away from being up three to one in this series.

00:49:16
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not that surprised, And like you said, we've been with them throughout this month of October. We had we've had every playoff game for the Blue Jays, so we've talked about this a little bit on the broadcast. But there was this perception, I think that this is David against Goliath, and that's just not true. Blue Jays won ninety four games, they were the top team in the American League. Dodgers have those three MVPs at the top, and they have this massive payroll, but the Blue Jays have a top five payroll as well, so it's not like they're the little engine that could with a bunch of plucky guys. I know that bat to ball is part of the identity, and they have those guys and they have the lineup length. But they also have Vladimir Guerrero Junior. They also, if he's healthy, have George Springer. So this is to me that big of a surprise that this has been a tough series. I think the folks that thought the Dodgers were gonna roll through the Blue Jays, probably like me, before October, didn't have a full appreciation for how well rounded a team the Jays are.

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00:51:14
Speaker 4: Okay, so what happens in Game five, The Dodgers need Blake Snell to give them six seven innings. You Savage, give them five good innings and there's a better chance for them. But I mean, the Dodgers we talked about their lineup are so much relying right now when they're starting pitching. Especially in an ideal world, Roberts goes Snell seven Sasaki too, and they win the game and move on. Maybe a couple homers from show Hey and Freddy, right, But how much pressure does that put on this Dodger team knowing, like gosh, Blake Snell's taking them out and going like, man, if I don't give them six or seven really good things as we're not scoring like this is such a change for Dodgers teams of past.

00:51:51
Speaker 9: It is, But Dodger team of right now and Blue Jay's team of right now, I think you're on it. What's gotten the Dodgers here starting pitching? What stops the Dodgers their bullpen? You say six or seven from Snell? Heck, I'd be hoping for nine from Snell. I mean, avoid that bullpen altogether if you can. Roki Sasaki has been much better than you anticipated it could have ever envisioned in the closers role. I still think you can't feel that great about a kid who just started pitching out of the bullpen a few weeks ago.

00:52:23
Speaker 1: So for the.

00:52:24
Speaker 9: Dodgers, the biggest strength has been the starting pitching. It has to be that if they're going to win this World Series. For the Blue Jays, you mentioned Treya Savage. He looked worn down. This is the longest season of his career. How much can you really put on the twenty two year old. The thing is they have the offense to paper over what may not be seven shot at innings from their starting pitcher. Dodgers are here because of their starting pitching. If they win, it'll be because of the same thing. Blue Jays are here because of their offense. If they win it it'll be because that offense continues to do enough to overcome whatever they lack and run prevention.

00:53:00
Speaker 1: Joe.

00:53:01
Speaker 2: One storyline that I keep pushing is that the Dodgers could get crapty and start using these starters more frequently out of the bullpen. We're down only three games.

00:53:11
Speaker 1: At this point.

00:53:12
Speaker 2: Do you think they do any of that? Hey, everybody that's got their throw day, you're not throwing. You can always do it right after the game, but we need an inning or two out of the rest of the rotation. I mean, Yamamoto almost pitched a couple days after he appeared in that extra inning game, and I know there's a balance of health and arm care and stuff like that, but it's not like we haven't seen it before. I always mentioned, like the twenty eighteen Red Sox and Dodgers have done this before with Arrius. So I'm wondering if we're going to potentially see that the next few days. Right, A guy's a couple days from his start, he's got a throw day. Let me get an inning or two from you, because I would rather have class now Snell Yamamoto pitching for an inning or two than whoever else is the bridge guy.

00:53:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:53:51
Speaker 9: Well, I think when you look at Game seven, it's always going to be all hands on deck. Whoever's got anything left in the tank is going to be on the table. You mentioned Yamamoto the other night, so he's willing to do it, but he's not going to do it given what you said about this is down to three games now, he's starting in two nights, so you're not going to see him tonight. So that leaves just Tiler glass now, and you're not going to pitch your Game seven starter in a two to two series in game five. So, uh, we saw it a little bit early on in the playoffs. Glass now came out of the bullpen in his first outing. You may see it at the very back end we saw. Yamamoto is willing to do it the other night game seven. I think you'd see it again, but I just don't think it makes sense at this point. Snell starting tonight, Yamamoto starting in game six. Those are two of the four options. Is not going to be Otani having pitched last night, and you're not going to fire Glass now?

00:54:41
Speaker 1: Who you need for game seven?

00:54:43
Speaker 3: Agreed? Agreed?

00:54:44
Speaker 4: All right, here's here. Here's I have two questions for you. One, you got a bobblehead and I didn't get one? How many did Rick get? Did Rick get like twenty five bbbleheads? Of yourself?

00:54:52
Speaker 9: I have?

00:54:53
Speaker 3: Actually Rick is the stats guy, Joe statsk They have.

00:54:57
Speaker 9: Their own get over here that over there is boxes of them. So I bet we can get you one.

00:55:05
Speaker 5: Wow.

00:55:05
Speaker 4: If only I knew a guy that could send me one, we would put it on I think I can make that happen. Yes, that would be. It'd be right here on my desk. Okay, but that dude, Yes, right next to Hawk and DJ. But here here's my question for you, oral last night throughout the first pitch, did you see it? And how much grief is he gonna get? Because he wasn't even close? I mean it was it was almost in the grass. I know he has a pitch for a while, but I mean I'm thinking, like if we sent Sandy Kofax out there at eighty nine, he probably would be able to still get it there.

00:55:40
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm worried about him. I figured he'd be fresh. We we were back to the field getting ready to do the open and I happen to peek over my shoulder right before so I could see it. And Rick, you mentioned my stats guy up there. We both watched it and just lost it, laughing like we're never gonna let him live it down.

00:56:00
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it was so good.

00:56:01
Speaker 1: I have the ultimate content.

00:56:02
Speaker 4: Well, who would be better, because you know you and Rick both played sports, would if you had to throw out the first pitch?

00:56:08
Speaker 3: And Rick, who I love?

00:56:09
Speaker 4: Rick is again the stats guy for Joe and he also does a great job for me. So who would be better at a first pitch if you both had to do it, Who's who's going to give you the better toss?

00:56:19
Speaker 9: For sure, Rick, because I would yip out, Dude, that'd be like, oh my, I would make Oral look like.

00:56:27
Speaker 2: Oral broadcasters. He can call a world series. But first pitch. I don't do first pitch. I know a lot of broadcasters. They're like, no, because all you're doing is giving Ammo.

00:56:40
Speaker 9: Right bablehead night on my Bobblehead Night, they said, do you want to throw it out?

00:56:44
Speaker 5: Hell?

00:56:44
Speaker 1: No, my kids are throwing it out.

00:56:46
Speaker 9: I'm not going out on that limb.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: I could not agree more. There's nothing to lose or nothing to gain and everything to lose. Right if you throw it, well, it's.

00:56:55
Speaker 4: Like okay, unless unless you're Bob Costas. Bob Costas did it and he threw it and it was so bad, and he always every time he comes on he brings it up. He threw it so bad. It was for commercial for Saint Louis. He did it again, and he threw a strike and nobody booed nobody. He literally threw it ten feet to my right and he goes, hey, I need you to catch my first pitch. He I dove for it to try to make it look good. Wasn't even close. He's just like, give me the ball. They rolled him a different ball boom strike, and then I was the one they used on.

00:57:24
Speaker 3: The Saint Louis commercial.

00:57:25
Speaker 1: There you go.

00:57:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know.

00:57:29
Speaker 9: I'm gonna avoid that whole thing.

00:57:31
Speaker 1: Yeah I would. I would say, like.

00:57:33
Speaker 4: You avoid eating after five o'clock and the chuck eplayed it.

00:57:36
Speaker 1: But Joe, this was great.

00:57:37
Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on with us, really appreciating it for our crowd. Obviously you'll catch Joe tonight for Game five and enjoy it.

00:57:43
Speaker 4: Manhappy Wait, hold up, no, before he goes, I have to ask him one more question because I'm sorry, I know one more they get mad of me. Joe, when did you guys start the Smoltz slide? Because he used you know what you know? Do you see like this on the on the open camera?

00:57:56
Speaker 3: Now you have.

00:57:57
Speaker 4: The the old Smoltz is off the camera and then you're like.

00:57:59
Speaker 9: Yeah, in here John and you just boom right, you practice, we get ready like he'll he'll practice and make sure it's hips are loose.

00:58:08
Speaker 4: And definitely did just have hip surgery, just I think your replacement did.

00:58:12
Speaker 9: And he is really proud of those hips.

00:58:14
Speaker 3: So he's like, watch my slid slide into this show.

00:58:18
Speaker 1: Topic, all right, so we'll look for it. Joe, thanks man, have fun, all right, boys, take care you too, appreciate it all right. That's Joe Davis.

00:58:27
Speaker 2: Obviously you can catch him tonight on Fox and on the Fox one at Thanks to Fox one for hooking us up with great guests.

00:58:35
Speaker 1: That's the show. That's it. You can roll the music and get ready for.

00:58:41
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