E328- His Rottweiller SNAPPED out of nowhere? THIS Podcast could save your dogs life!

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, no bad dog army.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, this is an excellent podcast with the gentleman who excuse me has a dog that has a rot-weiler that went after somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: randomly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we found out something very, very interesting at the vet, which is what likely caused this incident, which has happened before to some of my clients.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very real thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be a scary thing, but it also could be a deadly thing for some dogs who don't, some dog owners who don't find this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very, very, very life-saving podcast
[SPEAKER_01]: hate to think how many dogs this has happened to where they've actually been put down because of it so the title this podcast matches exactly what i'm talking about it's not that dramatic it actually is real it does happen and i hope that you guys enjoy it i hope you learned from it also hope you just kind of spread this around but
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do we got?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, there's been a couple of dates since I initially scheduled my call, but I have a one year old Rothweiler and he was friendly and warm and confident his whole life and then seemingly at a nowhere around maybe nine, 10 months, he seemed to start getting scared of people, maybe just initially a little hesitant, less willing to just have them come up to him without proper introduction, things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then at a pet store he grew out at someone for the first time and that was very alarming and then a week or so after that took him to a coffee shop that he had been to every week since I brought him home.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was playing with someone he had known every single time and he snapped at her and I really had no clue what was going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I brought him to the vet.
[SPEAKER_00]: They found a rotted tooth, which was likely causing a lot of pain.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have hold the tooth and he seems to be this is only last Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: So only a week in an event.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's still in the cone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he seems to be doing better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have some confidence that he was in pain and that was causing some of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess my fear now is how do I know for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do I confidently allow him to.
[SPEAKER_00]: approach them on or so much to approach him because the snap at the breeze to did come out of I mean it was very there was no growling there was no hair standing there was no it was I'm happy you're petting me to I'd like to take your arm off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And did what was the did he actually bite her?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's no, and he didn't attack her either.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a warning.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a, he snapped at her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, he, he, if she had pulled her hand away, he might have, but there was no follow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a head snap, you know, mouth closed and that was the end of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I pulled him away.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I screwed it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what is your, what is your biggest concern right now is, is it how to continue or if it's going to happen again or will it happen again?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is that your, your confidence now is like whole crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, you know, what's going to happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: A bit, certainly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not, I don't take them to dog parks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need them to be best friends with everyone, but I would like to be able to board him without fear that maybe he tries to take a bite out of someone who's boarding him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be able to take them to the vet if he needs to be looked at when I took them to the vet for that tooth you wouldn't let them anywhere near him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't check his ears.
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't check his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason they found the tooth was once they put him under.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my main main thing is I want to be able to frame him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I obviously said, you know, I don't feel confident allowing someone to approach him right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems fine and better, but like I don't want to get overconfident and then put someone in a very dangerous situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess my biggest thing was how do I safely continue to train, but then at some point test whether or not he's safe to be around people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just give you context really quick because I think it's going to be helpful for you that the the injury of the of the tooth of the riding or whatever it was could absolutely be the only reason why you have gotten that snap which all roads are kind of leading to that anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just say that that is a common thing, just so you know, like I've had dogs, I'll give you a story, a client of mine had called me one day and she said she also has a boreble and just a massive, which is a dog that I had.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she said, Sherman is he's trying to bite me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to put on his collar and he's trying to bite me.
[SPEAKER_01]: and she's like, it's so at a character, it's, it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so confused.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said, because the same thing with you, it's just, he was nice and warm and never showed ill intent towards her ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said to her,
[SPEAKER_01]: If something is that out of character, right, where you get a such a dramatic shift in behavior, like polarizing binary holy crap, we just went completely the other way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one something he's never done before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not warranted.
[SPEAKER_01]: All you're trying to do is put his collar on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the same thing is you she brought him to the vet and she called me she said sure enough there was like an app there's like a abscess in the neck Yeah, and that was it and so I'll and he went right back to normal and so I will say From experience, you know even before that there's been other incidences with other clients in the last you know 12 years that I've seen But that was just a really clear like for me like kind of punched a hole in my career of like okay that can happen it does happen
[SPEAKER_01]: black and white boom and same thing with what you're dealing with right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my instinct is that the biggest thing right now that you have to go through is to figure out to two things, this confidence with you because whenever your big strong powerful dog does that, especially at a nowhere for no reason, it shakes everything, shakes your confidence,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you kind of second guess, you know, everything I was doing exactly, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're how much freedom did you give them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I do the right training?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I do this like everything?
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how much I tell you, hey, it was the tooth and you're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, you see that happen and you're like, nothing can really.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing, so same thing we do with dogs that we do with people is confidence build and the way that we confidence build.
[SPEAKER_01]: with dogs is the same thing with people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a experience that was unpleasant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an environment in a situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what you do is you take that environment in situation and replay it 20 times over to get comfortable with like, okay, that was a fluke thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there is definitely a chance
[SPEAKER_01]: that it wasn't, but that chance is very small.
[SPEAKER_01]: So could it, could it be, because it's a year now and this started happening, you said around eight and nine months that we said, how we've been later than that, maybe even maybe ten months?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not that long ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you know, if we were to statistically line up behavioral issues, is he intact?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we when we brought him in for the tooth, the only way they found the tooth was when they were new to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my plan was to wait for a long time, but I'm sure my thought was it, maybe he was because he was intact and he just had these there's rage in hormones and I really didn't know what to do at that point, but was just pretty desperate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we we needed him then and that was when they found the tooth when he was where they're putting the tube down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you got lucky then because if I had not done it, I would have waited forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's there's other stories not to not to go out to to track here, but there's other stories of dogs who were, I mean, I remember this one story I heard where this dog was actually going to be utilized because of this behavior similar to your dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's his name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for my recollection, the dog was on the table and I can't remember the vet tack or the vet was like wait a minute and they saw something in the mouth and it was like same thing it was like This abscess or this broken tooth or something was going on with the mouth and they were like wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: This could be the reason why this dog is acting aggressive and that was it so it was like holy crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a chance, so there's a slim, so I just want to give you my job is to give you all aspects of possibilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can, when you leave this call, you know what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my goal is to give you as much information.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a very, very small percentage.
[SPEAKER_01]: that this could be at the time an intact rot-wiler, hitting that maturity, and some dogs, like rot-wilers can be intimidating, but they're really not super bred for, you know, being overly protective.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're protective.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're our guardian dogs for sure, but they're not like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they look, they look scarier than they can be and they're only scarier because they got the eyebrow marks and they're big and strong and, you know, they tend to, to, to stout up and, you know, they're beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so my point is is, um, you get that 8 to 8 to 14 month range of a dog, uh, fully maturing, especially if he's in tax, he's getting at least hormones.
[SPEAKER_01]: things you're flying around, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's feeling a certain way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a, like a teenager going through puberty.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this, what is going on, you know, type thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you get this confusion, you get this conflict potentially, you get a dog going, you know, all the, all the, so think about it again, like with humans, it's like all the things that you did when you were seven, you know, three to seven, you know, play video games, stay at home,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that we care about anything and then now all of a sudden you're interested in other things and it's like what's this shift yeah yeah it's maturity right so yeah dogs are the same way they kind of have this and it's interesting that dogs will go through these periods of especially depends on the breed for sure but you get these dogs that are not fixed right and then all of a sudden they hit that eight to fourteen period
[SPEAKER_01]: More assertive.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become more confident.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become more pushy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become more stubborn.
[SPEAKER_01]: They become more now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do what I want to do because this is like my innate feelings right now, you know, so
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a very small, the reason why it's a small chance is because you had a very clear trigger and indicator that actually the the the tooth is it was the reason so we look at things like can we can we if there's a huge change in behavior can we point at anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: to try to figure out what this is and what's causing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so obviously that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the percentage of it potentially happening would be, you know, very small, but it is possible because the age of the dog, but I wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't knock that out completely, but I mean, it's a very small percentage chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now what you do is you analyze, you watch this behavior, you watch this temperament.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of go back down to,
[SPEAKER_01]: Square one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've built up this confidence of, you know, Sully's been around people and dogs and kids and what I don't know for sure, but let's just say you're in your normal life of like, you never have to worry about Sully.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's good with people.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could touch him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could pet him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you kind of go back and you have to kind of start over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to rebuild my confidence and make sure that we're all good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what that looks like, it starts with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's more comfortable with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means, you know, petting him, touching him, feeling him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is something that you can confidently do with your dog because it's your dog, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're doing all the things to make sure because what you're looking for is a start changing behavior of
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to be okay with this and now I'm going to fight you about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to feel comfortable with this and now I'm going to side I you now I'm going to grow at you now I'm going to stiffen up these are things that you should be looking for these are the changes as my then if you can hear my massive outside is barking at the wind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as you, so you kind of like scale yourself back up to go, all right, let's rebuild this house to make sure it's stable and the ways to do that safely it starts with you starts with anybody else in your immediate family or your immediate life.
[SPEAKER_01]: partners, kids, roommates, whatever that the dog is regularly sees that it's comfortable with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just, again, doing all the things that you would normally do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But almost probing him a little bit to kind of see like, hey, are you going to get weird about anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this, is this going to stick around?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this, or is it going to go back to the celly that we know that doesn't care about anything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be,
[SPEAKER_01]: ideal and that would be honestly like what I would imagine but you know you never know there is that small percent so that's what you would do then what you do is you really when you go out with him you're going to be looking for you're going to be looking for things like change in behavior same thing we just talked about with you with with you kind of touching him and and really just going
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of going through all the comforts of what he normally would like and what he's okay with and what he's not okay with and kind of just seeing what he's okay with if that makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like a doctor would do if you went in and you said, I'm kind of sore and they kind of poke and touch you over and you're like, okay, yep, that's where it's where you go on massage or a chiropractor or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of find the pain points, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so those are things I would be doing just to make sure there is no weird type of thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, what you'll see is stiffness, growling, whalign, side eye, and yeah, maybe even the very least getting up and walking away.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're normally he would stay there for belly rubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that all checks out and it's kind of back to normal, then what you do is you kind of go, I would personally go back to business as usual.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why I say that is because the intention behind the snap from Sully is extremely telling, but also extraordinarily important in this context conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dogs, especially, rot-whalers, have such a strong ability to really cause damage if they want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he turned and snapped and said, hey, this sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a choice, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's big.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have done pretty much anything he wanted to do to that human.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was by choice, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he had, he had impulse control.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had clarity.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just being a dog, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was an animal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dogs don't say, you know, like a person who has a, I don't know, sore arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't tell, hey, hey, hey, I'm sorry, hey, right, or whatever, right, like we have, we have the ability to communicate in a way through verbal conversation, right, through language.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dogs, the only way they can do that is with, immediately is with their mouth, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say a dog is, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Stuck in a snare like the first thing you're going to do is bite you because it hurts right so whatever right I'm just giving you an example of when a dog is When a dog Yeah, when they're in pain and when they're when they're not you know When they're upset about something like that's the first thing that they do is they snap right so yeah again like the intent the intention behind the
[SPEAKER_01]: air snap and the not moving forward and not growling and not continuing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when a dog actually and I hope this is helpful for you, but you know, working with many, many, many, many, many cases of actual aggressive dogs trying to come at me, they're relentless.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's continual.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's they come at me and then you, you know, for an example, I just did a seminar on Australia last week and
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the dogs, he has a bite history, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like people, so we were working through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he had a muzzle on and I had just a bed and I put the bed in front of me and I said, just walk by me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought him around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walk by me again.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came at me again, brought him around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walk by me again.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came at me again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Until we started interrupting it and disrupting it and correcting it, then it stopped.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my point is, is dogs who really want to get to somebody or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: are consistent they that's not fully at all right so that's good so that's what I'm trying to say is there's there's dog owners get so I think I think because you don't have context right it would be like you know whatever you do for your work and I say holy shit that's crazy even actually it's just another day at work really it's not a big deal I do it every day right
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, that's the kind of the same thing with dogs is when I see, like, I can tell usually not all the time, but I can pretty much all the time tell a dog's intention just by the tone of their bark, which has taken years and years and years and years and years of seeing it over and over and playing with it and tinkering with it and really letting things play out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what this is now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So when a dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns and snaps like to the average person that's like, did we get attacked, did we get bit, does he hate you, is he aggressive, is he mean, is he mad?
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, when a big, powerful dog that can literally mall a human turns around and makes a noise and uses their teeth to say, get the hell off me this sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very specific decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's almost a correction, is what we would call it, so if you see dogs, if you see canines in general wolves, dogs, when they interact with each other, they do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They turn this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually strange now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same way my German Shepherd corrects him when he gets too close to her food.
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts chewing on her too much, she'll do the exact same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's extremely, extremely, like I love that, like personally, I love when that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she communicates to better than I ever could.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's important to, to, to, to.
[SPEAKER_01]: really understand and i'm glad that you do because there's so many people that you know they call me in their friend and they should be because they don't know i mean there is ignorance right they don't they they literally think that you know their dog attacked the barista and it's like well if you if you don't know what it is then maybe you would think that but let me you know go over this so
[SPEAKER_01]: The great thing about this is understanding, you know, the context.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your shepherd turns around and just snaps and correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, hey, I'm going to kill you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I don't like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, no thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the best way of communication.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, um, yeah, that's what that's.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, my, my, my fear with this, which is the reason I actually reached out to you because I was watching a video of yours and this woman said that she'd been to eight other trainers and it just hadn't helped and my, my fear was talking to a local trainer in Kansas city and just getting bad advice and just so I just want to make sure that what I do try is the right thing to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making things worse or setting us back or creating problems that aren't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really why I, I just do like a trust your advice, which is what let me to reach out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that would be my answer to you is considering what you've told me in the context you've given me with Sully, he is a dog that had a very sore and painful tooth and somebody was getting near that tooth and he snapped and said, nope, no, touch me there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and because it was a new thing and you didn't know it was because that would scare the shit out of me too if the dog If my dog did that I would go whoa What the hell is this right and and I'd be looking at the same thing we need to go in for a full scan to see
[SPEAKER_01]: is this is it so I don't want to say it's not behavioral because obviously it was behavior but it's not the dog didn't say I don't like you the dogs said hey you're you're making me uncomfortable right so one of the only times I'll say the only times I've ever been bitten by a dog
[SPEAKER_01]: was a very similar situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been a dog has pulls me twice in my whole career.
[SPEAKER_01]: One was this year and then one was seven years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of dog is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the last one was like a German Shepherd mix and the same thing, excuse me, German Shepherd mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll tell you this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were in a daycare.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I was working with it with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just somebody was shadowing me and trying to learn how to do dog stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that it happening is is that the leash came off the dog that we were working with and it was not a friendly dog and there was another dog in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just jumped on the dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously the dog freaked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dog freaked out and turned around a bit me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Deserved.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a good example too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even tell the owners because I was like, this is all my fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with what he's scared of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the only way that they can communicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some, you know, it wasn't a huge dog either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I jumped on my borehole, he would be like, all right, hang on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he would go for a ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this dog was like squished and I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he turned around and didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing was, it didn't like chew me up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just turned around, put their teeth on me and put a hole on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so so things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't bat an eyelash out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yep, I deserve that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so so if you think about it, it's like if we would have known like, hey, my dog's got a decaying tooth that's probably, I mean tooth pain is a worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's brutal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was completely exposed the roots.
[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor was like, this is definitely causing a lot of pain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if he starts to act very different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and you're like, okay, that helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: So exactly, so that's what I would say from that is, that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now, yeah, so it's good that you did this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could understand the concern of if you didn't find that tooth decay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, you get this change behavior, but honestly, I would say you're good man, just build it right back up, you know, go slow, just that really, really, really sliver of a small chance of to behave your changing, which you're going to know pretty quickly, you know, how he behaves, you know, obviously if you haven't already, I would just have a conversation with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm just I was just nervous to test it, but I think I'll just do exactly you said I'll start with me and then I'll start with some people who's comfortable with maybe I'll bring around town but not actually let people interact with them just see if he starts staring at them or hair goes up and and I think that's probably what I need to build my confidence and I think I mean I already see a big change I just didn't want to get ahead of myself and put someone at risk.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I email the person?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the name was Taylor to give you an
[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you so much for your time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was really a lot of what I needed to hear to feel more confident that we're not dealing with something larger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: No worries at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for reaching out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And good luck with everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you guys an email with updates too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking forward to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.