2022 NFL Offseason Glossary A to Z

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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast op Dude for a one year roubid deal with a guaranteed bang. Welcome from the Chris wa all sorts of issues from the Chris Westling podcast studio. Welcome to Around the NFL. I'm Dan Hansas, coming to you from a room filled with some heroes, Mark Secli, Greg Rosenthal, and I only now just realized Colleen off the hook. I like doing the intro where you kicked the door in really good content, and yet I forgot this time. So congratulations Colleen Wolf to my right, thank you. This is a huge moment for me. I didn't get kicked out of the studio after I set myself up only to have to come back in and do a whole thing. And uh, it's been it's been a little bit of a rough start with the timer going uh right here off the show. You do have an offseason vibe about they'll quite quite great. I feel great. It's the summer. It's summer, Connie, and we are thriving. We're doing a lot of great stuff and having a really good time. And yeah, I wish that the summer never ended. And then the summer when you're saying we is it the Royal We what is It's Colleen and Connie. We're both working in concert. Like there's got ganzas in the mix there as like that was the question in the picture. And John and Blitzen and Dasher and the whole gang. Those are the dogs. What is Gonza's vibe in the current day? So he just got a haircut, so he is feeling great once the barber got a fade? Getting ready for vacation? Where is Ghani and Gonza going this summer? We're going to Greece and Cyprus. Really yeah, well that we have a group of like thirty Greeks that are going to Greece, So I'm sure what could go wrong? Really? Nothing? Wow, that sounds like a lot of fun. Right now. You're in the what Mark refers to is the cell, the prison cell, the studio? What's up? Mark? How are you? Why would I? I have never called it that. I am proud of this studio. You do seem strangely nervous though about this particular show. I think we've probably done about podcasts, most of them in person, many where we're kind of flying by the seat of our pants, and yet this one it has you tense on June. We will get into why. But I was told minutes before we kicked off the episode that they're you know a certain amount of planning goes into these things, some more than others, right, and that if um my messaging is usurped by someone before I go and do my turn, which will you'll see how that works, that have come up with something out of thin air. I just got that message now, So now I'm feeling a little I knew you because Collie and I come from the sort of the family of preparation, maybe over preparation, and so when you're told like just has taken improv classes, So I think Colleen's gonna be okay, and I believe you. Today we are doing the glossary of NFL terms for the off season A through Z. We divted, we divvy it up the alphabet and yes, obviously because we don't talk about what we're going to talk about beforehand. That's for all those bogus TV shows that you watch. Never on this network, of course, but on so many other television shows. They have these pre production meetings and they are just filled with exact, beat by beat takes of what I'm going to talk about here's my take, here's your take, and then there's no there's no mix ups. You know, everything's covered, no snore. We are going live here, and if someone hits on your topic that you have later in the alphabet, that's it. You gotta pivot, baby, and you've gotta be quick on your feet. So I understand you're a preparation. Guys gonna melt down, and I absolutely respect how you go about your process for this program, but only if it doesn't get in the way of his process. Well, that's that's also accurate. Well, I believe it's very important to let the tugboat take us where we need to get. So I mean no disrespect by that, but just follow the tug boat and it's gonna be fine. I do trust the tug boat. So so far we have Colleen going, what is the Royal We is that second person? I don't even know what that is? And then uh Dan going third person. This side of the desk is really on the summer. It's a summer of the side of the alright, So we're going a through z hopefully and under three hours. That was another source of consternation for Mark, the idea that this show might go a little bit long. We're gonna try to keep it feel like we're tasting certain pictures that not I just I think we were told by our by Justin, our producer, the Grave Digger, that last year when we did this, it did stretch on um to an ordinamate amount of minutes. And are we are we concerned with maybe tightening it up just a little bit or being to keep something, to keep it and we'll pull back the curtain in the tugboats Captain Chamber. And when there was initially a new segment on today's episode, I said, no, let's kill that. I love streamline it a little bit. I love what you did. It's tightened the show, dude you. I mean, it's not coming from a place of critiquing you or your leadership. And I'm not critiquing you. I was just stating simply what was happening before we started rolling today, A sense of anxiety emanating from you. I mean, I it wasn't hidden. I told you, that's not how I like to do this particular show. Let's see what happens. I'm not critiquing you. Is a lot like no disrespect, but because you are you are it is complete critique and disrespect mixed together. It's going to be a great episode. I can feel it. So let's get it going. Grave Digger. Yeah, I guess, try to keep us on on task, but really don't. Just luck with that. Yeah, let's just roll through it. I'll get us going with the letter A. And again this is I know some people like to um listen to every episode during the off season, our favorite listeners. Some football fans disconnect a little bit and then they jump back in people. Yes, um, So if you are one of those people and you happen to see this in our social media feed, uh and click in perfect, perfect decision, because this is going to give you a general idea of where we are in the NFL. What you need to know is training camp approaches, just the general vibe of what's going on in our league. So let's get into it. It starts with A and it starts with a man who's one of my favorite players in the history of the NFL and my time watching our league. Um, A man that some people call fits Magic, but I prefer his original name, the Amish Rifle. Remember that Greg would say the real ones. No, I'd say that I don't remember that. I put that into a number of early NFL dot com story Do we have a fitzmagic clip or amish wife Fitzpatrick touchdown my sick, Yes, the famous Ryan Fitzpatrick second touchdown catch. I can't say enough about the way right stay today. He stayed in there taking heat all day with the hits he's taken. Well, when you can get we're still play about eleven oh seven this morning. I told Graves agger, hey, it'll be good to throw to a great like call of Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now that's not a big window to dig up the call. So the fact that we ended up with Trent Green partially on tugboat as well, But yeah, we got it one week seventeen nineteen, Brady's last regular season game as a Patriot, last second touchdown. Also, that's a fair point. It might be the last took us in the shallow water. That was the great the last great moment of his career that you could have gone. It wasn't well called. They didn't even hardly mention the face masks, So I was like, that was the player I looked. But the call did not resonate with anyone here or probably any of the listeners anyway. So Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Amish rival fits magic. I mean, he's not Amish if he uses electricity, which we know he does, but I get where they're right. It was a bit out of Harvard, of course. Played for nine teams across seventeen seasons. He announced his retirement on Thursday. Such a popular player and a productive player who seemed to get better in the talent of his career. Thirty nine years old, he suffered a bad hip injury in the second quarter of the Washington Football teams season opening loss to the Chargers in September. Had to have surgery. So, unfortunately, Connie, that's how his career ended. But it was almost fitting because he was kind of a fearless dude. He was never the fastest guy, the strongest guy. Uh. He didn't fit the profile of his starting quarterback in our league today, and yet he was fearless. Uh. And he was a lot of fun to watch fearless, and he had this personality that everyone was attracted to, whether it was his teammates or us the media. I always loved him so much on Thursday Night football because he constantly gave us a good moment, whether it was post game, whether it was in the game when I forget what year that was, when he came out with the Hawaiian shirt on, unbuttoned all the way with his chest hair hanging out, and he's like, honey, I'll be home, Like stay up and wait for me. He was just the best. It's because they were going to bang. That's that's right. They have a lot of children, just like there's some people who aren't as good reading between the lines. I was trying to know you did a nice job to the crude manner in which you I was uncomfortable with the whole thing, greag, but go on, I love how like for like he was. He came in I'll always remember as a Mike Mart's greatest show on turf in its later days, like seventh round pick and immediately was like a fantasy guy who threw a lot of yards in that first season as like a seventh round rookie. And you said, you mentioned Dan how he sort of got better and better throughout his career, and that's true. But he did get that pay day back in eleven like for the bill when he got to when he got the big contract, and then he led the league in interceptions that year, like it was midway through the year, but he was always going for and I think there's a lesson uh there for some backups and some maybe like medium talent guys that like, especially at quarterback, you're better off playing like a Brett five or Ryan Fitzpatrick and going for it because you're gonna have some highs and then you're gonna get contracts based on those highs if you just play it safe, which he never did. He led the league in yards per attempt in eighteen as a member of the Buccaneers, which is an era. I feel like people forget about with Fitzpatrick. Well that but that Bucks period I think was a pivot point to you where for me, Ryan Fitzpatrick is someone who just became more and more comfortable in his own skin as his career went and on, more enjoyable, more at ease, more filled with joy. I thought he got better looking as his career went on, Like if you look at him early, he just became like he became more and more Ryan Fitzpatrick ESK and I yes, I enjoyed the entire journey. Two thousand fifteen season with the Jets was also a perfect snapshot into his career because he put that team on a magic carpet ride to get got them to ten and five on the doorstep of the playoffs, and then through three interceptions in the last game of the season against a bad Bills team to keep the Jets out of the playoffs. And like that was kind of him, Like you you lived with all those like daring throws he would make and when they went well, and when he got hot, he would be hot as a pistol and be like, this guy is amazing. But then he could like flip it and all of a sudden he would be a guy that turnovers over and over. Where are we on the on the clocks there? Just let me known here we're one letter through or so twelve times twenty six. That's that county the intro. But we've been on a couple of minutes. Three in twelve minutes. Yeah, so I do believe it will be longer than Fitzpatrick deserves the respect mark. So well, we're gonna get you out of here as soon as possible. But Mr, you enjoyed broadcasting with you. But I'm really just under sixty seven minutes. Well, yeah, I'm with myself Also I get it, all right, okay Fitzpatrick, and I guess this means he's going to Amazon if he retired, right or maybe not. Everyone is doing that. You've got probably inside information, we don't, but that was good. It's it's been mentioned that he's he's playked with Amazon and he will be you know, got it? Pivot. This came in a great text. It hasn't even been which would you like. I'm just playing along and I didn't know if Colleen wanted to share more about what she had as a scoop potentially scoop just annecting dots. All right, well, there you go, and I bet he'll be good. Aheah, all right, here we go. Be is for blitz In. Yeah, that's the name of my dog. But also it's what the Giants would like to do next season. A lot of a departure completely from what they did the previous season with Patrick Graham, a more conservative approach he had. But I don't know if they have the personality to pull it off all of the blitz in that they want to do, especially without Dabrill Peppers we know, don wink Martindale. I don't know what to do with this. Name, because do I just call him wink Mark? All right? It just feels like maybe to do that's okay if that well, Colleen is basically saying she's considering declining, yeah, the option, and that's fine. I think that's respectable. It is his parents given name. I think, well, if everybody else is doing it, I think I have to do it. So wink is going to go to work a train in camp a lot of different Uh new his vision that he has here because last year with the Ravens, the secondary was completely ravaged and he couldn't really do what he wanted to do. So we'll see if they do a lot of blitz in next year, Buddy cavan Thibodeaux. You know, we'll see if he makes an instant difference on this defense. Now, Connie, you famously hate the giants. I mean you're a Philadelphia family. You guys are um and you're passionate. Uh are you concerned about the giants at all? No, they're always on the radar because they're right there in the division, but not concerned. But it's a lot of change, some brash confidence from you, just a flat out no, men do not exist in your defense. Looks terrible. On paper, it looks like one of the worst defense in the league. Yeah, they added Cavan Thibodeau. That that's nice. I like when you add a guy like Link Martindale though to a defense that doesn't have as much talent. It's kind of like college football helps. You need a little scheme craziness, Like that's the type a team that you want to Wink Martindale. You might not want him with the Ravens anymore. They kind of didn't after after last year. It was a mutual parting of ways, but he was probably getting the boot. But I think he's someone that can cook up pressure because in the back end, their secondary on paper, I would say is among the worst in the NFL. Well, and their biggest move at the off season was cutting James Bradberry, who weeks later winds up with the Eagles. That's not how you operated could see him working though for him, Like he has a lot of experience wink Martindale and cooking up some pressure. He has Tibodo, he has Leonard Williams. It's like they're not they're not terrible, but on the back end it looks pretty rough. My little behind the scenes be behind the scenes. My wife works in the entertainment industry, and she was speaking to a high ranking UH person with a storied um in a storied comedy realm of the entertainment business, and they're having a conversation. Came up that I worked for this company and we do this podcast and she's and the person that my wife was conversing with, it was like, Oh, is there anybody out there and in the NFL that maybe would be interesting on camera? And immediately the one thing my wife has listened to on our show was the Cavon Thibodeaux interviews because I said, you're going to be interested by this guy this a few weeks back, and then Emily relaid this to the high ranking entertainment official and they're like, WHOA, Okay, I'm putting him on our radar, on our list a career builder. Now if they actually make that call, I think you should find a way to let Cavon Thibodeau know we will. That's where it started, because we're we could move from we went from what uh not from friends two acquaintances to this is like now that's friendship partners potentially commission there too. This is a great step before you move on to see about the Giants and how bad they were last year. This is from Jordan's ronnin Ran from ESPN. The Giants with them. That's the only reason I know, um be for buddies. The Giants were outscored seventy nine nothing in the final two minutes of the first half. That's real stuff. They're gonna be way more watching on Greg Roman is going to make them more. All right for Greg Rosenthal, Brian Dable, I always mix up for Bang earlier. They don't look like uh see ceremonial. And that's the type of one day contract that my guy inconvenient to with Frank Aar signed on. Now. Dan had sent me a text about a month ago when Gore initially retired. I was in Massachusetts. He wanted me to send in like a voicemail message, and it was like, no, I don't want him. I mean, I'm here, all right. That was a real here's the reveal. It's not worth it. It's not going to be that great content. Uh And I was like that at some point I was sending it. He's probably right, right, That's what I mean. It was just gonna be I was gonna be like bang for like NonStop commitment to the show issues and Greg's like, now, I'm too busy to send it into into it in the mood. Plus, I think we could go stitch back many times where we've probably half retired, but I don't care. I'm really glad that he uh signed back with the forty nine because I think him and that team, um, you think of them together. And I think back to his rookie season when he entered the league coming off of torn a c O as a third round pick, and my whole thing with that he was a Hall of Famer in West and I would argue about this like six years ago before he was ever in the top three of rushing and now it just seems inevitable he was a Hall of Famer because his peak was better than people realized. He was one of the five best running backs in the league immediately he was in All Pro in the second season that he was in the league, and he is the best running back I've ever seen in my entire life at vision, which is just like such an important part of a running back, which is he's behind the line of scrimmage, he's looking at what it's in front of him, and he somehow knows in here. I don't know how he does where the hole is going to be, seeing steps ahead. Uh. And this was a guy people got on him like, oh his wonder Look, it wasn't how. He had a learning disability and he was one of the smartest running backs because of that. He always knew where the defense was going to be, always k exactly where to run. And I'm glad he's getting his foot and now he's in the front office in San Francis. Yeah, to ruin right now, right now. Though, I mean you mentioned Greg Roman. He was the perfect pairing with Greg Roman in that Hardbaugh offense. I mean, he was one. He was so fun to watch, highly physical, a punisher. Um. I'll never forget one night watching him on like a Thursday night football game at Irish Times or place, and there was a Seahawks fan in there who was they were destroying the Seahawks and this guy was just like shouting at the top of his lungs because he was alarmed by what the Niners offense was doing behind Frank Gore. And I just laughed at that man. I giggled at him. I Am always said they didn't win that Super Bowl, because people forget he had a monster game in the Super Bowl and he is the one with a long on that's set up the first and goal which ended with that Colin Kaepernick piece that will forever call Michael Crabtree not interference, Jimmy Smith forever. All right, Mark, are you ready? Yes? D? What letter D? Alright? D is for dead presidents just like you have like a flash of panic and then you're like, I did we get that panic? Side glance for Mark on camera. Okay, maybe we can bring that back at some point. I'm having a weird day, Okay. D is for dead presidents, not aber jfk or George Washington of George Washington even existed speculation. But dollars, big bad, green rectangular dollars. D is for dropping dollars from the sky. That's what the dollars will be doing onto the lawn of Debo the destroyer. D is for do it soon, DIAZ for don't f this up. DIAZ also for Dan Hands is a truly professional broadcaster who I've learned to carry favor with during segments of this nature. That was perfect good paybo, keep them happy. Yeah, he's he's there, but they expect that he will be at the mandatory mini John Lynch basically said there is literally no way we're letting him anywhere else in San Francisco. You know one thing I've learned about John Lynch too, when he's in front of a microphone, uh, talking to the media, always the truth all the time. Do you think there's any chance on another team He's not gonna allow debo to going. These guys are professional liars, all these dudes. For the most part, it's fair. Remember what Pete Carroll said about Russell Wilson like seven days. Remember what Mike Rabel said about a Jory's good grave during Brabel said that, like, why are you guys making the j Brown thing a story? It's so obviously not a story. Remember grave tickers live Instagram session like seconds after he was in his feeling for you, we gave him a little past there, all right, E. It's for extension, as in the around the NFL agreeing to an extension to remain at NFL Media and it's related subsidiaries. Look at us. Nobody's going anywhere, but you chose this as the song. That's awesome. Turn this up a little bit. Everybody's got a rise. We definitely have a Price's dog, billion dollar man. He's staring at the scandal right now. I want to be associated with like Brett five has been implicated and in stealing money from welfare in the state of Mississippi. But it is great moment, This is great. It's been such a long ride with the NFL, um, Mark, you and I are starting in two thousand ten, Greg a couple of years later, the podcast starting up with West a year after that, and Um, We've been very fortunate, Um, mostly because of a loyal audience that we've built and held through the years too to get in a position where our conversations with the NFL and other places were interesting to us. But at the end of the day, it just the NFL came to play and they and we felt like this was the best place for us moving forward. And I'm really excited, Mark, because like this is been a them to us for a long time. And the way this the last few months played out stressful, some anxiety, some of us more than others. Um. I was I was dealing with anxiety behind the scenes about how this is all going to play out, But it it played out in the end exactly how I think it should have for us and for this show. And I think the audience will be happy how this all plays out as well, I hope so. I mean, the audience is a huge part of it. It's been a wild journey. And I can think back to UM when Dan and I started at the NFL, a different location than this one, like a hollowed out sort of death star type office that was barely looking like a newsroom that Dan and I were working three days a week and making essentially what a high school person would be making it like a paper boy. Yeah, paper boy essentially, you know, throwing papers at someone's driveway in rain or shine. And uh, the lockout occurred. And the only reason that Dan and I weren't whacked um, because there was a lot of people that out let go, was that our salaries essentially probably didn't even appear on the payroll, so, you know, fortunate. And then Greg arrived in and West arrived and Colleen arrived and everyone else. Yeah. I Uh. Sometimes you hear NFL athletes and you know, when they sign like a contract, they like that that's often the biggest day of their career. It's a big deal to them. And I don't think we need to like deny that this is one of the biggest times of our career together, Like it really is meaningful that like we've been together this long and we really we're close and thinking about like what what are we gonna do uh for future? And it's like one of those moments, uh you think that you just got to appreciate. And you mentioned West And one of the reasons it's great to be here is every show Dan's gonna start it by saying we're here in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio. Now, there was a part of me that if we were gonna leave, I thought, well, West would actually kind of like that that studio is there. And then I don't know if he was exactly a loyal company man, but it was. It's an amazing thing. And I'm sure we we all thought about this yesterday when we really you know, knew that this is what was going to happen. Was you know, it is one of the days where you really miss West because West came out here, um, and I had that relationship with him before Rode a World, and I always felt like him and I coming out here together. I had been working for the NFL for a year before was at least a little bit. I felt responsible, like he was taking a chance on this and taking a chance on on my word too, and that this was all going to work out. And obviously I know how like amazingly proud he was about like what we did as a podcast, so we all know that that came to fruition. But you you wish he would be here on a day like this to like really enjoy all of it with Kis. And people have different feelings about things like this, but you know, I've kind of felt like West, wherever he is, UM is aware that like this all happened so systematically Um after his passing that it changed everything and he would have been very proud this for us in for himself, he would have been proud. As one of the great things about him is I think he appreciated what he did have and he was proud of what we had accomplice and he would he would be really proud. I think of this moment we would finish today, we'd probably go get a beer somewhere and talk it out. So yeah, definitely glad, congratulations you're here for this too, because you have been as big a part of this one of the best days for me too, because you thank god you guys aren't leaving. I can't deal with any more change selfishly, like I can't lose any more people. Nobody is going anywhere, And you guys were my first friends when I moved across the country and started working here. So this show is like so much more to me than just work. It doesn't even feel like work. I would not be coming in to do the show during the summer of Connie if I didn't actually like being here and sitting with you guys and hanging out, because it doesn't feel like work ever. And you know that absolutely factored in for all of us as well, like the idea that we'd be able to keep working with Colleen and Graver and everyone behind the glass and Matt Schneider and all the people behind the scenes that have made this See Henry and in the UK, he's leaving us here, but he's still in the company and so we're still together with him as well, so we're keeping the ship moving. Also, just on Friday, got a new company cell phone, and so that kind of that steered my decision because it's like I have to go turn it back in and then another one. Do you keep so? And again, thank you, thank you, thank you to the listeners, because none of this is happening in our lives and our careers. If you guys weren't along for the even the lower tier ones that skip some of these whatever, they don't hear this, that's fine. Whenever you pop in, we'll take it all right. So anyway, that's what's going on with the show. Good good, good news. Let's take a break and continue in our three of the Around the NFL Offseason Glass Room. All right, let's move, let's roll. Here we go. We got that business out of the way. F Colleen, Okay, So I wanted to go with French fries, but I just like couldn't figure out a way to work it in. So instead I'm gonna go with fantasy, as in the one I'm imagining for Marcus Mariota. Now, I love a redemption story, I love a reunion, and this has both with him in art with Arthur Smith in Atlanta. After their time together in Tennessee, they desperately needed to add a wide receiver. The Falcons did after losing Calvin Ridley for the year and Russell gauge. So they drafted Drake London. That's great. They have Kyle Pitts, but guys, the rosters like the lightest on talent in the entire league. So this is uh. I fear what's to come for them? Another f word, And I don't think it's going to be I think of another word for Falcons fans watching exactly. So it is truly just a fantasy. I don't think unveil a red helmet throwback uniform. That's early period Dion that makes you think of that we can be beautiful. I do like him actually, And A. J. Terrell is the one that did A J. Terrell, who I really like. It was a Pro Bowl quality cornerback. But it does say something about the Falcons right now. The A. J. Terrell is kind of their guy. They're going to to be the face of the franchise. Guy you took one of I was gonna make oh Olamdi you gotta change it, um. But yeah, it's a little concerning. I this is the time of year you want to be excited to watch all thirty two teams surprises. Arthur Smith make this Mariota Uh, Drake London Pitts thing, watchable because on paper, Smith essentially was part of the reason that Mariotta was bench for Ryan Tannehill in Tennessee. So I don't know how long the leash will be when you have Desmond Ritter sitting there, but Arthur Smith last year, I know, Dan, you disagreed a little bit where Greg and I were coming with the Falcons. At times, he coached them up to wins they would not have been. That was a three win team that they want, Patterson, you want. But that's just agree that they were any good. I think, you know, maybe we were caught a little bit up in the they weren't. They were like the worst they should have They easily could have had the number one over I'll pick, and they managed to win seven games. That was a certain sort of okay. Um, speaking of Seas and their defense, we talked about Dion Jones, who was a bit of a mystery character. Um, a former star a young star for them in their Super Bowl year and what's his deal. Well, he's missing the team's offseason workout program after undergoing a procedure to fix a shoulder injury. Uh so, well, I think they want to dump that salary, right, so that is and uh, you know, obviously if he's got shoulder issues, never good, especially if you're a tackler of the football. Let's move on, well the football carrier, sure tackle the football. You could jump on a fumble or something, but let's keep moving. Greg ge fitting, I know, and you gave me the letter G, and I just thought I'm gonna hit the nail on the head here. I'm just going Greg there it is. Where are the Greg's at these days? Once a great name and that that would be the definition here, like they've always hated the name Gregg, but like once a prominent name, a common name, now it's fallen totally off the radar, like G is a great letter at the very least, like return of the G. G unit nothing but a G thing, Like I don't even know some of them are famous pop culture references. And then you threw in your own nicknames. But I also think that's a great nickname. I mean, if nothing else, it's a good rap name. Six I'm not a rapper. That The point is, unit is such a good nickname, G unit, G just G alone is like a nickname. Not many letters that works with, but it does. The point is we gotta start bringing back the Greg's. We have Greg Newsome who's on the Browns, but there's almost no Greg's left the Horus. Greg was a great player. Um, but I just think after a while I looked, Greg is not one of the most the thousand most common names right now in the United States. It's not even on the list, and so I think it's time to start bringing back Greg. Don't you feel like the people I've told you how they feel about the concept of bringing I mean, if it's not in the top one thousand, they've kind of actually not the same way. Pretty much my whole life never liked the name. But now when I think about the versatility of the like me and Greg Williams are kind of the sixtys in the NFL sphere with the with the third G on the end. We need to we need to pick that up, We need to improve on things. I like it. I like how it ties into the offseason landscape of the NFL. UM. I think I think Greg's fine. I think it's a fine name. Now, names are cyclical, they fall out right of the picture. Mark's not going anywhere. Mark you Well, it's like when you know you go to those little let's your birth certificate. I want to know that it's marked with the safe for sure, the living me of the book, Like why would I lie to Edge? Edge a little ledge to you. I think it's got a French flair to it. Oh that's what old marks of French boy. Yeah, well he's really British. I don't know he spent his formative British. Colleen is not a very popular name. Damnit Check attacked it at one point on Twitter, saying it was a weird name. Maybe it's not connected, yeah, because it means girl in Gaelic, so it's not very original, all right. Would you say that it's not connected to the offseason? That's fine. I just wanted to bring it back and just just bring it back. I think you're gonna have to do more, though I don't know. Greg alson Greg Olsen is a good call that he's right now there are Greg's I think that is established. It's a tough situation for the grand community right now. So dizzy and campaign by who's your worst name? Like who's the word? Like for Greg it's Greg Abbott, Like who's like the worst Colleen? Who's the worst? Who worst? Justin I'm gonna think about the worst, Dan, Let's get back to it. If you are. If you're stumped for your letter, you could substitute it with the worst version of your name, but that also takes thought. Well, that's I'm just giving you options. All right, Let's move on UH to H with Mark Cecil. Alright. H is for Hackett first named Nathaniel, the rare first year coach who I think will catch flak if his team with a new quarterback, do all offensive scheme and new defense, if his team doesn't roll into the a f C title game on fire. I like his cute little crush on Siara, like his past exploits as a hip hop instructor. I did everything about Mr Hackett's overall vibe, but I am slightly concerned about his ability to meet expectations in year one in a hostile, rough and tumble a f C West. It's funny you used him because I was thinking of using him for g Maybe it would have been better for the word garrulous, which would be defined and as excessively talkative, especially on trivial matters, and that and I don't know if that's Nathaniel Hockett in real life. But I feel like he is a guy when he's in front of the microphone. Maybe the way his nerves come out is he just keeps talking a little more on things that don't really matter. I think that's absolutely true. Yes, And I love the word garrulous. I mean, I think it should be used more. I got a really good word coming up to so for sharing some like good underrated words like for future letters. Yeah, a second, it's a big day for vocabularies everywhere. Yes, are we are we? Well? Where are we on the time? Okay? That was yes, that was she here because you specifically requested I say it on the podcast. A happy birthday to Christie Stapleton. She's not even back there right now. She went to get a little lunch birthday lunch. We did wish her she came in here and we wish Yeah, when he's aware. When when we did a show, was Mark and I Dan was was gone and I referred to like people that just were clearly checked out, not paying attention to the show and board by us like visibly that was it was Christie. Christie was right, So I like her. Randy shows he's behind the glass too. He's always paying attention. I consider it more plugged in. It's like, if we were better than she would have been enthralled. It was our fault, all right, And she turns by the way, right now, she's a kid that was for me five years away at from taking the paper boy job with the NFL, And that didn't happen to me until I was thirty six, So it was another full decade of lunacy before I think I was hosting a golf show. Oh you were, and someone I'm not saying who someone got in touch with an official on YouTube and put that behind a private wall of some kind, so now no one can access. Yeah, did you have anything? Did no? Because that requires like a lot of effort, way too much effort for me. All Right, I and Jay are going to be together. You know why, Cone Because I got a little peek at your screen and we're talking about the same thing. Da. That works out because it's the same stuff here. So I then this is the word I like in transcendence. That is good for those not in the know, you know, those who know, No, Greg, you know, you know. It's a noun refusal refusal to change one's views or to agree about something and Connie, What is Jay like Seattle's off season? Yeah, I hate what they did shipping off the star quarterback and then they drew lock and ear moths. Gregs, I mean, we're wearing things, big things, your hands under the ear, the headset. I think that they probably have had the worst off season as any team. And I'm with you, that's that's that's a loaded question considering what's happening this off season. But I will say that the refusal to change one's views for Pete Carroll, who's seventy one, seventy two years old, it's one thing to say, all right, I'm done with this Russell Wilson marriage, and and given the state of ownership and the sway of having the organization, this is my chance to get a clean break. I'm actually okay with that. Like, if you think you've seen the best of Russell Wilson, you think you could get a bounty back form, which they did, maybe not as big as some people thought. They would send him to Denver start over. But I just don't see the logic. Greg. It's the in transcendence of the idea of saying, all right, now we're gonna roll with these two just the guys, a couple of Jags, and it's like, you're gonna give away another year of the team and some expensive players in your roster and the remaining prime years of certain guys. I don't know. Well. Number one, the team building process hasn't ended. I'm gonna leave them a possibility that someone else will be on their team at some point at quarterback. But I would really push back on both of you guys, especially Connie saying that they had one of the worst off seasons, because I like their off seasonally, Like I don't like what they're doing at quarterback, but I think if you put Russell Wilson on this team and what they've added, I think a lot of people would be saying I like this offseason. The two players that they added that are veterans in that Russell Wilson trade that are going to be starting for them. Shelby Harris and Noah are good players at what are now good positions for them. You have Will dis Lee as as the backup Titan. That's fine. I like their defensive line, like, I think they can do somethings Daryl Taylor. They bring in Shelby Harris, Uh, they have some young players that they like. They bring in Quentin Jefferson, Puna Ford out and Robinson uh the secondary things. Okay, I thought then, oh so so signing was a great one. Like he was the best player on the field in Week eighteen in that Chargers Raiders game that was not named Justin Herbert. If he hadn't gotten banged up a little bit during that game, I think the Chargers might have gone to the playoffs. I like what they did in the draft. I think Kenneth Walker is gonna be good. They draft for a running back in the second round with all of the other things that they needed to address. When you can get running back late, I can live with that. Like, I know that's an analytical thing and they had an extra pick, But if Kenneth Walker is the beast that a lot of people think he is on that team, I'm not gonna be like like a lot of the best running backs in the league our second round picks. So like is are the Bengals regretting taking Joe Mixon or party that The offensive line I think also has promises. What I mean, they did some other things that I think gives them a fine but like from a bird's eye view, you don't. You're essentially handing in the season. If this is what they do at quarterback, you can you cannot pitch truelock to us as this we've seen, We've seen Drew Luck. We know what he is. I mean next yeary with all that, But like teams and Pete Carroll's living in another era, but he's seen like teams do okay sometimes with lousy quarterbacks like Mitch Robisk he made the playoffs a couple of years ago. They could win nine games. But that's why it's a bad offseason, because you can make a bunch of moves that make the roster better. But when you essentially ignore, you trade away a franchise, Hall of Fame level quarterback in his prime and then don't have a really a replacement plan other than we have a philosophy that we believe will work. I struggle to get on board with that, and maybe it does work out. But even if like let's say everything works out. And also, I know you like Gino more than other people, so I'm sure as party Is says, well, can maybe work. The high level of Gino would be like, you know, he's the twenty third best starter in the league like scale, but is okay the whole? Like what's the pointing? Like if the best you can do here is nine and eight? Maybe, like are you really doing what you need to do as an organization or is this fully a transition here? And they have a bigger plan in mind and they're churning through this year. But I don't get the what this leadership is about. There's the chance you could get Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying he's a top ten quarterback himself, but there's a chance that they're not done at quarterback. Was this like an either or Russell Wilson or Pete Carroll? Because isn't can't you argue that it's a lot easier to replace a head coach than it is a top tier quarterback? I agree as banging that joum all All last year, And I think a lot of this is ownership. And there's been more reports coming out recently that this team could be sold sooner than later. That the Portland Trailblazers, which Jody allen Uh who took over for for the deceased Paul allen Uh, it's supposedly going to be selling and they've they're like denying this publicly, but usually when this starts coming out, it really felt like ownership didn't want to shake things up, and they chose Carol over Russell Wilson, which is well, Wilson wanted to You said deceased. That's heavy. It's a heavy word use. I mean, it's right. It just like came out. Why is that why I just was pointing out here? You know, I probably people aren't totally onto the late Paul Allen. Yeah, that would have been better. Ultimately I'm doing football show at a corner or something. Yeah, it feels pretty physical. All right, let's move on. Greig being shaved. I don't. I don't. I don't feel shame. I mean, he could try. I don't feel shame in this choose to feel it in this case. I'm not alright, Greg, you are up on k all right, I'm gonna go undertaker, Greg Rosenthal. I'm gonna go with kerfuffle word great word underused, And I think it's going to describe a little bit of what might be happening behind the scenes between Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. And you know, you you're getting on me for sources, you know, not really I was just shining the light on a story, and I'm just saying there there are other sources out there, and some are maybe more reliable than others, but there's some there's some buzz going around from a different source of of the tension here between Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch, and some of it is playing out publicly, and some of it is a little more under the radar, Like Mike Shanahan's been hanging around a lot more, which is a little strange. And the John Lynch almost went to Amazon thing, which seemed like it might have been coming from the John Lynch side, not the Amazon side necessarily. Uh, they're dead last in cap space. They still have Jimmy g there, Nick Bosa in addition to Deebo. Samuel could be looking for more money. And I just feel like if things don't go well, there's a lot of tension and I think there's gonna be a kerfuffle here that could play out publicly. Allah, Bill Walsh and and and um some of his bosses over these. Kyle Shanahan came from that tree, Mike Shanna came from the tree. I mean, no one fought more with their owners and their g MS than Bill Walsh, like that was happening all the time, even during the good times. I don't see Kyle losing a power struggle. Me neither me neither well because so first of all, I mean, I think you pegged the trade Lance situation on John. I don't. There isn't a lot of ready to go down that road, like everyone's ready to just call that a bust and a mistake. It's so early as it doesn't they were maybe on different sides, and if it doesn't work out, it's not I think it gets pegged on Lynch more than more than Shanahan, because I would imagine that Shanahan was as high on someone like Mac Jones or a different quarterback altogether. And up so far it's not a bust, but the development of Trey Lance is going very slowly, and the fact that Jimmy g is still hanging around and his salary is somewhat insane. It's also not going away. It's like a reminder. It's like they're in a marriage basically, and they both had their sides and one got their way, and like the reminder of that decision is with him every single day. Also should just for context, they came, you know, within a fourth quarter meltdown of going to the Super Bowl last year. So this team has also had a lot of success, which I credit to Kyle Shanahan more than anyone else. I mean, he seems to be the guy that is the golden child. So anything that good happens is because of Kyle, and then you can pin everything else on the GM. That's just the vibe I feel that it comes, and it's from this room and from Twitter. But is that really true? Do we really know? I don't know. There's just like Jan's obviously a brilliant offensive mind. There's so much uncertainty with Trey Lance and then the new there's a lot of new faces on this coaching staff too, so you have a roster that is otherwise pretty stacked with talent. So it's kind of a weird situation. Let's move on to L with Mark Seler. L is for lamar Mr Jackson, if You're nasty? Okay, that was dumb, looking to some like he's disengaged by the way he did write down, Mr Jackson, if you can without acknowledge that it was very stupid. That is a nineteen eighties song pop pop song by Janet Jackson. I believe I assume most would know that. I don't know. I don't think. Alright, well, I'm not twelve, I'm not twenty six years old. Uh to you know, looking to some Lamar Jackson like he's disengaged by not attending O T A s. But this broadcasting vehicle has taken the p o V that O T A S don't matter for guys like Lamar and Aaron Rodgers. I agree with that, and we do not wish to be tissed tissed by Mr Jackson the way he went after Chris Sims this week. Have a nice day, Lamar Jackson. We wish you peace and joy right into the sun. Yeah, this story is less interesting to me than maybe some people. Well I really knocked that out of the park. Well no, no, I'm saying. I'm saying it's good up. Yeah, Like that's that's I don't need like the Chris Sims Lamar Jackson back and forth on Twitter. It's just like it's it's nothing, Burger. I mean, it really is, Lamar Jackson. We'll see how his contract plays out, but he's it's not like he's gonna disappear from the team for mandatory minicamp, right, Like, isn't that the only thing that we also come out and say, like, I can't wait to get back and hang out with you all and work with you. So I do like the part where the tweets started with quote Lamar wants to be Lamar Chris, which I just that right under the name Lamar Jackson because that's his Twitter handle. Is just fun but just I enjoyed it. Um, So yeah, I guess get back to me. If all of a sudden, mandatory camp starts. Once mandatory camp, that's that's. That's in a couple of weeks. It depends on the team. It's either next week or the week after. The coaches are putting on a little more pressure though about it. Greg Roman mentioned how of the playbooks knew it would be good for him to be here, and so they're they're putting on a little Your wide receiver group is new. I mean, I don't want to go down that avenue. But if he skips mandatory, it's the situation is a little strange, uh M. For Mike Trout. Los Angeles Angels star Mike Trout is trying to stay out of the fantasy football league issue between listen to this. You know, we hit this on Monday, and I was just gonna let the story go. But you should understand, if you're not a baseball fan, Mike Trout is basically the modern Mickey Mantle. That's that's the level of player we're talking about. And he's stuck on an Angels team that's bad every year, so it's kind of depressed his national viability. Is a popular athlete. But I will say this when we find out that Tommy Fan tells reporters on Tuesday that Trout was the commissioner of this league. Remember the take I had on Monday about the slap the kerfuffle. I was like, the guy who was wrong, who was in the wrong, was the commissioner of that league for not setting the i R rules strongly and not allowed which allowed people to circumvent and get cute. And I've seen it a million times in leagues I've been in. So it's on Trout to me. Fan told reporters that he is the worst commissioner in fantasy sports because he could have prevented the dispute by the two outfield is the same thing I said, Uh, and then uh, he's at Yankee Stadium Trout for a series this week, and they asked them about it during a rain delay, and Trout wanted nothing to do with it. I ain't talking about boy, I don't even know. You know, it's just one of the things. It's, uh, you know, everybody's competitive. Every love fantasy football. Who doesn't um the rule here that I think the lesson here, Colleen is commissioners get your ess in order have to. I mean, you are the ones that are leading the entire leagues, even if you're the modern Mickey Mant, get it together or don't be the commissioner. That's what I did. I walked away, stepped down. Yeah, I mean, it's too much. It's like the most thankless job there is beyond like youth league umpire or referee. That's actually even more thankless. And they deserve our our thanks in respect commissioner. That's what about in the ancient times when the commissioner actually was in charge of like tabulating stats before it became Yes, I remember those days. I never did that, but yeah, that was not so long ago, although very long ago. Like Trout follows me on Twitter, that that strikes me as odd. He's a big football fan. Maybe you should. Well, I'm not trying to brag. I just I'm surprised. How many people does he follow? Two thou four? Pretty good? Good? Doesn't follow me? Not a fan, you know, he's a Philly guy. He is. All right, let's I'm actually more suspicious of that than I am. Uh he follows I got it? Check it's not. I think it will end well for you. I think it's gonna be great because I'm gonna be the only one left out here. Does he follow you? Alright? Good? Come on the Mickey Mantle, Today's Mickey Mantle. That's come on. I'm like, oh, this is the most is the result? Not a good result for me. I could ask him to switch following me and switch you to follow you. He's just like a he just he just will do football. He doesn't want anything else. You know, when you throw that throwback podcast, he's just like you, unfo when he sees my courts of thunder, just unfollow us, you know, he just he wants a straight football. His Twitter account whatever, not good, by the way, it's he'll just put the name of the city he's flying to city out And then they had four emojis of a plane, New York, Texas. This is a thing. Oh my gosh, that's funny. Alright. Baseball players, you know, not known, not always for their gift with words, not always. Uh. I'll throw in one more m on a more serious note, and this is a again hat let's see these things, especially um. So young former Dallas Cowboys and Bears running back Mary and Barber has died at the age of thirty eight, the Cowboys said in a statement on Wednesday. At this time, the cause of Barber's death is unknown. Police in Frisco, Texas, said in a statement that they responded to a welfare concerned Wednesday in an apartment they believed to be leased by Barber and Um. They found his body. Um thirty eight years old. He was drafted in the fourth round the two thousand five NFL Draft out of Minnesota. Was a pro bowler. Um had some really big moments for the Cowboys. Released by the Cowboys after the two thousand ten season, played one year with the Bears. Ah, and we lose him at the age of thirty eight. Tragic, And then again, we've we've had too many of these stories. Any of these stories. You don't want to ever have to talk about it. But we've talked about three now in the space of a month. Um, former players losing their lives or current players far too soon. And I mean they were you know, he's dealt with mental health issues and they don't. They haven't as this taping, this closed sort of what happened and all that. But um, you just worry about a lot of these players in their post playing careers. I mean, this is a pattern that we obviously has been established that this game of football can create major issues, uh post rear what a player. I mean, you know, it is is so tragic that we lost them for listeners that weren't around when he was at his best. He had three straight seasons over eleven yards. But his running style was electric. Like I remember talking with West like back in OH A O nine about Mary and Barbara. He really was very similar to Marshawn Lynch before Marshawn Lynch little similar to our friend Maurice Jones Drew. The way that he could run and bounce off people was just so much fun to watch, and he was great in the passing game. He was like a perfect modern back where he was great on the goal line, great on third down, and there was just something about the energy that he ran with that. Yeah, I know he only made one Pro Bowl or whatever, but if you talked to like x NFL players, he was often one of their favorite players. He was kind of one of those if you know, you know guys that just like real players, respected his game in such a way. Uh. He he was just a ball to watch at his he was so gifted, Like fourth most rushing touchdowns in Cowboys franchise history. He had such a specific style greg that you just kind of described there. It's just so tragic that he was so young, thirty eight years old. I mean, it's just a really sad ending to his story. Um. And if you want to watch one clip that tells you so much about what he was running back. He has what's known as the most famous yard run in NFL history. It happened in a game against the Patriots in two thousand seven where they were backed up in their old goal line. Romo hands it off immediately He's in a swarm of trouble. Uh. He escapes through the back of his own end zone, rolls back out, breaks about five different tackles, including Junior say Out. Another player lost way too soon and then ends up getting out of the end zone and getting past the line of scrimmage. It's check it out. It's all over the internet after this sad news. But Marion Barber uh dead at the age of thirty eight. Let's take a break. All right, here we go, We're back. We gotta start moving now, everybody, Uh, Connie and and alright, So nebulous is where I was going with the Jimmy G nebu loosh with the Jimmy G stuff earlier that his future it's very in Greg, it's a nice one. Um, I'm gonna go Owners gone wild here, And I mean I I don't because they're they're serious topics, man. I just I think it's the old around the end league UM editor in me that I just feel like, if we're doing this show you we sort of have to cover this stuff, even if they're not fun uh to talk about, and at least just mention what's happening with owners uh in this league has I feel like it's been an especially bad year for owners. David David Tepper, the Panthers owner, is filing for bankruptcy, or at least his real estate UM company is filing for bankruptcy after this story that I've been tracking, and it's it's been interesting to me, and it's very complicated, so I'm not going to go on and on about it. But basically, they started building a facility in rock Hills, South Carolina, and it was half built, and because of an argument with the local government and that he's up building it. So it's like literally sitting there, it's like half build. They had already started it. They've been to the new Team facility, the new Team facility have been undergoing construction for a while and it's just there now. And now there's lawsuits and I'm not gonna speak an opinion on all this stuff, but it definitely, um doesn't look great. I mean if he's look if he was a different owner that's a little more high profile, Like imagine the New York tabloids how much fun they would be having with an owner that started building uh a Team facility and is advertised as the wealthiest owner in the NFL and then stops and then declares bankruptcy. Just like one little note like it's not tied to his the bankruptcy declarations with real estate holding personal to the pant it's not his personal money, and so it actually doesn't affect the Panthers at all. But it's kind of like what a rich guy moved to be able to go do what he did, declared Banker Glaria, financial expert in this room right now. But it's a famous, like super rich guy move to declare bankruptcy and you just think, oh, that must be really bad. But it's like one of his holdings and it doesn't even affect his day to day life on any level. But still it's not Greg, I guess the optics now and well, And meanwhile, they don't have they they've been talking about how their facilities need an upgrade for a long time and not enjoying their training camp set up, and so they're still kind of stuck in nowhere. So we we heard a lot of great things about when they changed ownership, and they've they've had quite a few hiccups in the last a couple of years for the for the Panthers, and then the other ownership story, which again I don't think we need to discuss, but it's pretty compelling, is that the US House Oversight Committee on Oversight and Reform as invited Roger Goodell, our boss and Dan Snyder to appear at a hitting hearing as part of an investigation ind into the Commander's team workplace conduct. And there's been different talk about whether Snyder could lose his job, whether he could be voted. Well, the fact that they're asking Roger Goodell to appear in front of Congress, in front of this um as part of this basically as he's partly responsible for what's happened with everything going on there. I don't know. We'll see how it goes and if they actually show up and what happens. We just George Stefanopolis. It's like late June, so that's a perfect time for you, right, Yeah, we're locked in. There's no way they could get rid of us. Now, you know, like the outside the courtroom guy that just has to live. Remember like when the lockout was going on and they just had Burp rear, like sleeping outside. This is like a version of that. You'll get that. But you're going to be on the duty of like Snyder Goodell litigation. Constant updates on this show. It never ends with this team. This could be a permanent beat this team. There's always a story with this team. If we camp you down there to d C surrounding territories. And I do if if it ends up that an owner is essentially removed because of this whole thing, that is a shifting point in the NFL, because might be on that story Lesly, if you're telling Mark he's got to go DeCamp into the d C Virginia wilderness for a year or two, I feel like you might embrace that right to come out of it with a very boring book about the whole process. It's quickly on a next Alright P is for alright a feeling that Doug Peterson no longer needs to feel after taking over a low expectations Jaguars team with a potentially brilliant quarterback in Trevor Lawrence and camp reports of Travis E. T n operating as a super juicy X factor. I'm not saying worst the first in the a f C South, but I feel like this team has been aggressively ignored this offseason. And why can't this Jaguars team, I know last year was an absolute disaster. Just to not be in that situation, you'd think they're already five or six wins better. They blew up the Bills a year ago they ended the cult season. There is some talent on both sides of the ball. Why can't they have a little bit of fun in and why are they being ignored? Well because there the Jaguars and they've had the number one over i'll pick two years in a row, which is a disgrace, So they don't deserve a lot of pub However, I've been like gently tapping the drum on this offseason. Doesn't Peterson at the right time for this team? Yes, I think it was a smart, sensible higher Rick. I know, Connie, you are someone who has a nice relationship with Doug Peterson. Peterson's great. Yeah, we we all hung out. He's like, he's yeah, he's a super He's the perfect head coach to take over for the Jags, especially after what they just came through. I mean, he's a word smith. I think the roster is a lot better. I think that they went into the last two years with the bottom three to five roster. I think that that excuse may be gotten. Like they look legitimately frisky, like in the front seven, and then you kind of go through each position group other than the secondary, they all look like average. Like I don't think this is the thirty first best roster on paper. I think they're getting the upgrading coach, and I think the expectations should be higher. And then it should also be said something that brought up a couple of weeks on the show a couple of weeks ago, that they they've spent wildly trying to reconfigure the roster, and they they're putting themselves in a difficult cap situation down the road. So we gotta we gotta see some results this year, and then you need the front office to be smart. And I don't know if we but yes, I feel like they are in a much more, much more better situation to be frisky than certainly last year. With that joke of a coach Peterson taking over for urban Meyer reminds me of of what Bill Parcels like to do, Like he didn't want to be the guy taking over for the guy. He wanted to be to the next guy. Not that the Jaggers have had many guys that that succeeded. You want to replace a co type, right or there's some coaches in this off season that are inheriting pretty good situations. There's more immediate pressure if they win six games. I think and Trevor Lawrence plays well, everyone's going to be happy. That's that's the expectations are manageable. Disconnects to yours Mark que for questions or queries on second year quarterbacks south of Quebec. Wow, look at you wait, say say Quebec again, Quebec. You could say Quebec or Quebec I say the real ones as Greg would say. No, it's Quebec. I just like the words smith here. Um. You would think, you know, coming off a big contract extension, would start phoning it in here, but Dan is going the extra mile. I'm also not saying that I say it right. I'm just saying that's how I say it. I don't want to get into some sort of Canadian clash. Yeah, we could just call her and put her on speakerphone, not let her know that she's one that would be better. All right, here we go. I'm gonna call Rachel. Every one should know is from our northern neighbors. Let's see. Let's see, hey, Rachel, what's up. Hey, we're taping the podcast right now, and we just brought up um uh, the one of the provinces up there in your native land, um q U e b e c correct pronunciation. We're looking for que you e b e Quebec Quebec. That's how I say it. But what about what about the theory some some have the theory that the real ones call it Quebec. Okay, o back, she's out on the mark side. I think it's pretty clear Quebec Quebec. Case closed. All right, Well, Rachel, we'll get together after the show and I have a conversation. Okay. I think she said you're bold. Thank you, Rachel. Bye. Rage I'm I'm tema hands us on this one. I believe it or not. A third of my family, the chavs Klan, lives in Montreal. No way, ye Quebec. They say Quebec. It's clearly though, that's another Canadian we've just spoken to. Clearly not everyone's on the same page here. Well, I mean if they grew up in the area, so they have that accent they speak, they speak French, so it just it's just Quebec to them, you know, just kind like go anchor back to the point that I wasn't saying, look at me, I'm saying it right, I'm just saying that's how now. But Dan did say the real Ones said it the other day, so you just assumed that out of the gate. Did you repeopline because it was impressive? Oh cute for questions or queries on second year quarterback south of Quebec. It feels like a warm up, like a vocal t Lawrence dig into this, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Mac Jones, Davis Mills. I'm gonna throw him in there. He deserves it is there has to be in the conversation, who do you think who do you most confident in? Makes that? Uh, you're too leap. Where are we standing right now? I think mac Jones is the one that makes the most sense because he was by far the most promising, But we can't ignore the Jones, and there's no Josh McDaniels, which I think is notable. That supporting cast is better. Do you still think Greggy that or do you think at all that Mac Jones is the guy most likely to have a nice year to jump? Well, the way the question is phrase, I think Trevor Lawrence is the most likely to have the biggest jump because he's coming from the lowest point. Along with Zach Wilson, I would say they were comparable, though I would takes pretty ground up right now as well he is, although I really think Justin Fields was at a higher level for his start, showed more, had better statistically of the metrics. That's fair. So I think Lawrence is the safest bet that way, because I I think mac jones Is ceiling is much higher than people realize. I think he can absolutely the best quarterback in this class this year and have the best career. But this season, in terms of a second year leap, Lawrence, you have a lot to work with. I just even if he's like a little better than league average, that's a monstrous jump from where he was. You'd like to say, yeah, Zach Wilson and you talk about where you were last year and where there's a good environment around him. They did, they did a good job. They've now supported him surrounded Cats got another year in the same offense. If he doesn't take the next significant leap this year, they should be in the market for someone else next year. I feel That's how I feel about that situation. If mac Jones takes a significant leap, I mean he'll be one of the best eight quarterbacks in the league or so and and I think of him a little bit as a poor man's Joe Burrow, and I think they had similar rookie seasons. Obviously doesn't have the mobility like he already was like a league average quarterback. So if he makes another jump, he's like a top ten quarterback. I kind of wanted to be Davis Mills just so this years crazy. He had never gets talked about, and he was better than Zach Wilson. You're again if you just look at the terrible team, right, if you look at just the last five games of the season, which is a random sample size, but he was the best rookie quarterback and those five games. By then Mac Jones was taken on a little water and go and had some ups in his downs. And David smells flashed. Man. He doesn't look like like an under talented guy. That's like try hard guy. He looks like like he could have been a first round pick. All right, Connie, how much time? What do you have a heart? At one? We have eleven minutes with Connie. We're gonna finish this. Here we go quick, rad. That's how Davante Adams is going to look in his Raiders jersey. I'm really excited about him with Derek Carr, Josh McDaniels will constantly get him the bar, the ball, and maybe they'll be at the bar. Who knows. But I just think that Adams proving everyone wrong who thinks that he's not going to be as good without Rodgers is so perfect. Like twenty nine is the new twenty one. Everyone's thriving in their thirties now. Probably, Yes, that just blew up one of my later life. I'm gonna go super Bowl or bust. That's what Broncos receiver Tim Patrick said about this Denver team on Wednesday. And this is a situation where a new quarterback, a new head coach, a new defensive coordinator, and a team that hasn't had virtually any success. Um is super Bowl or bust? That is asking a lot. But if they're they're going to be led by one guy who will take it calmly. It's the coolest guy in the room. It's Russell Wilson. Just put my jug on for the first time, goes orange. Let's ride. It's not how he talks green screening it. Well, my boy, let's go, let's go. Let's ride. There's a difference character. He's playing. Well, it's different in every video. That's the thing. There's the teammates one that was one, there's the but there's the one in bed. But there's also the cr like more in a public place, and that's that has its own. There's press conferences answering questions, which is totally different. There's just a lot of different one platforming new slogans, like there's that version the corporate Russ. Uh, can I just hear him again? It's just like it seems like he's he's just acting. Yes, just put on for the first time. Let's ride green screening it. Well, my boy, let's go. Let's go. Let's ride. Baby. Let me know what we don't he's the coolest guy in the NFL. Now what if I what if I had a theory? It's just just isn't it possible at least that he's acting the rest of the time and this is act, this is the real Russ? Which I think. I think that like the press conferences, I guess there is more where I would be there for. I'm just definitely a corner. I don't know a lot of Super Bowler bust. By the way, I agree they could win the Super Bowl or they could be six and eleven. I think they have the biggest variants of maybe any team in the NFL. There could be a bust. Is your theory that that's the most authentic Russell Wilson as is true. I think there's a possibility of that, that that's more Russell. I know you don't believe he's been presenting now, but that he's been presenting outward in a predominantly white world at NC State in Wisconsin for a long time. And think also there's the there's theffer complete brain. Like I think I've told you this in college, there was a baseball player that lived next to me and I he left for a week and he had plants, and so he asked me to go in and water his plants. And all around the room I mean not kidding, there were like a hundred and fifties self motivational phrases put up all over the place. And makes me think of Russell Wilson, who seems just like slogan after slogan, Yeah, because you want to get on him for being you know, the cornball and all this stuff, and that's I think ultimately what it is. Everybody got cr and we end we can see that it is not his true self, Like we could see that there he's putting something it's not mean spirited honestly toward him or or it doesn't mean he's not a good guy, because by all accounts he's, you know, an upstanding citizen and a good dude and a good teammate. It's just it's as a try hard ye I think that, Um, all right, let's where are we at? What was that? Greg? That was letter? Was alright? We're running out of time with Connie now t Mark alright? T is for Ted? Isn't Ted Carriss? Alex Cappa and lay All Collins the completely rebuilt right side of the Bengals oh line, A reconstruction. I don't think that has got enough attention and turns the sexiest team in the a f C North into a squad with no overt weakness and an absolute badass flinging touchdown darts to and fro and Joe Burrow. T is talk more about the totally unknown ceiling of the a f c's most interesting team. That's right. Remember when I used to say this and would get on the on the TV all the time. This is the most interesting team in the a f C. Stick in a commercial. Did you say it into your this is the most interesting team in the a f C. We don't. We don't have this came is that we're due to take these new ones. So let me get one to man. This football action that keeps getting better, Greg, I think they'll win. That's the actual things that they say. They always take the most innocuous. Can't be specific about anything. My camera, I'm on the edge of my seat. That's a good one. Talking to the cameras aren't lighting up. There's no the cameras aren't working. It's just a it's our own vanity. They just tell us that none of us is actually being recorded. All right. I like that theory. Though. I like that theory. They're forget that their interesting. Their big weakness got completely short up. They also that was a magical run. Magic and there are different types of teams that go on magical runs and they're actually sort of better the next they have chance to be better. I'm not taken down the Bengals. They're a team, a fun team. Here we go, moving on. You are we at you? Yes? All right? I don't have much here. I was kind of stumped. Here. So I'm just gonna move quickly on usage trends at tight end. Just from rear bar a sharp football. Last season, NFL tight ends pass blocked at their lowest rate since at least aligned inland in line at their lowest rates since at least gained their largest share of league wide receiving arts. It's that did make me think about when we were doing our fantasy wide receiver draft, uh and we had phoebe Uh coming out with Kyle Pitts. Just like, if you're a team and I was rooting for a team for so long that was punting on tight end as a receiver, it's just like, no, you're behind the league. These guys are a big, big part of what they're doing. And it's not just it's not good enough anymore, just like oh he's a good blocker, it's not where the league. Yeah, move on, Okay, all right, here we go. I can give you like ten more minutes just in cases if we're going to do it. V is for vacillate, And that's with Brady's relationship with football and retirement. He just keeps vacillating between the two. And the only reason I bring up this tired storyline is because he talked about it again on T n T last night after the match. I don't know if you guys watched this, but it was fascinating. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, and I wanted to watch the interview at least after That's what I mean. I didn't actually watch the math or match. I don't do golf, even though I hosted that golf show from the Internet. Did such a good job with facilitating the whole conversation. It was awesome. It was really cool to have them all together and really revealing. But Brady talk about retiring next year, and it's obviously going to be a thing that continues on for the rest of our lives, it feels like. But he was even kind of talking through the process of deciding to come back, and it seemed like he was spinning a little bit as he was talking, and so that in and of itself was really really revealing. I thought like he was taking us through how he started to sort of panic a little bit when he didn't say this, but you could tell in the way that he was talking about it, like when free agency was about to start, that he needed to make up his mind, and then as soon as he made up his mind one way, he felt like he made the wrong decision. And it was just kind of interesting to see him bring us in. There probably is no definite answer on what's going to happen next year, because I don't think he has a definite now. Yeah. Also, I think the football season itself will dictate whether he's any must come back where they win a Super Bowl and he's like, I'm out, you know he there was a moment that I just saw mentioned on there which I just loved, which is he they asked him about his TV deal and he said like he looked at that as his chance to give back to the game. And Aaron Rodgers are fun. You ever get paid so much for giving back? It's just like the perfect I mean, there are times when Aaron Rodgers is annoying, but I feel like he would be the perfect guy in a group of friends for that to be like to call your friend his bulls. Oh yeah, you're giving back for thirty seven billion dollars a year to talk about football. There was another clip they were sitting in the round and someone what's Josh Allen's the thing he fears most or hates the most. And then Patrick Mahomes like pipe vegetables a coin toss he was like and then it happened to me next week I heard Homes was fantastic on that. By the way, he was so good you I highly recommend watching it all right, Greg, Okay, I'm gonna go wobbly, And that would be how I would describe the stats of Isaiah Win. Also in w On, the New England Patriots first round draft pick from four years ago, who's been up and down. PFF always loves him, but the Patriots coaching staff never seems to and he doesn't stay healthy. He's been skipping O, T, A S. And I would put wobbly uh to describe a few different little parts of this Patriots roster. But also Nelson Agilars placed on the team. I think this team has some team building to do between now in September. If there was a team that I think will look a little different uh than they do right now. I think the Patriots are high up there. They just seem like they have some big roster holes. They have some guys that don't quite fit. I don't know if Win is gonna be on their team. I don't know if Nelson Agler is gonna be on their team. I think maybe Donte Hide Tower will be back on their team. It just feels like there's a lot of weird spots. But that was gonna be their left tackle of the future, and and there seems to be some issue and they moved Trent Brown over there, and I just think I've been playing there in practice, right. I think about that report where and I, you know, not to harp on you, who's gonna call plays? Like these coaches can probably figure it out. I'm not overly concerned about that. It didn't work for the Dolphins, but there were players saying that practices seemed super discombobulated, and they were like, what on earth is going on? So when you look at Mac Jones, he doesn't need to be set up to succeed. You've lost Josh McDaniels, who I don't know about him as a head coach, but he's a great Oh see. Uh. There's a sense of hubris here where it's like, we're going to run into an NFL season with six coaches on our staff and no clear designation of who does what. Good time. This part of why Mac Jones stood out from the rest of the rookies last year is he was by far putting the best position of those other quarterbacks. So once again the track record again this is Bill Belichick. So I I still side down like this is gonna be all worked out. But yeah, it's notable that things seem so clunky, and they were. They won ten games last year. Is the guy right now? He's kind of the offensive I feel like there is and I've been guilty of this in the past, but there's sometimes a a rush to throw dirt on the Patriots and then it's like there is too much talent. I agree. I agree with that part. They usually find away. But the roster looks they just have some weird spots in it. Defensively. Offensively, the aglar thing is they actually have enough good receivers. Maybe they don't need him. Wobbly x Mark. This is the one that I've just recrafted and rethought about because it was Deep six earlier. X is for XO. Well, it's not very good excess for EXO. Hugs and kisses. Kirk and O'Connell sitting in a tree, K I S S I n G. First come love, then comes marriage. Seems nice, But what happens when the games start? Are we buying this romance? You led us to the end. Now you needed a rhyme. There, pretty good. First comes love, then comes to marriage. Then it happened to when the games start, a whole bunch of cabbage. I don't know, is it? How about this? First comes probably about that, then comes marriage. But what happens when the games start? A broken carriage? There you go, I mean, what happens when you lose grip of the baby carriage? Well, that would be a problem to you know cousin. Cousins mentioned how like this is the first off season where he's had to truly learn a new offense in seven or eight years, which I hadn't thought about. He's really been in the same type of system. And it's even then, it's not that far off of where he was with Sean McVeigh back in Washington and everything like that. It's very ramsesque, right, right, But he at least was saying it felt different. Maybe maybe that's good. Maybe he was too comfortable they'll go seven and ten or ten and seven and nothing in between and will not make it the play. So you could work in disparage. Maybe oh, I like that. I'll keep working on this and maybe po at the very end of the episode. Why for uh, you need to calm down. And I say that in reference to OTA reports on struggles and success. You know, we've talked on this for so we don't need to dwell on it. But I don't care. Some some JIBRONI sent me a tweet today just like Zach Wilson went one for five and so I guess you gotta bust on your hands. Anyway. Another reporter that I respect was reporting on an O T A goal line drill last week and the reporters were stationed in the opposite end zone. And if you've ever been and they're playing seven on seven, there's no at field level. You might as well be a submarine, like there's no viewpoint on what And yet you're using that as a reporting and you're writing about anyway. It's not on them. They they're there because football is so effing popular that the it will be consumed by readers and viewers and listeners. So I get that, but just if it don't get too caught up in it, neither good or bad. Like to of for example, UM went in front of the media today and was kind of bragging about a bomby through the Tyreek Hills, Like, guys, weren't there for that? You should have seen. It's like, I hope you could throw a bomb to Tyreek Hill in a practice where there's nobody can touch you, like every everybody, just you need to calm down. This is just reps and guys getting ready for a long summer and season to come. That's a good P s A. I think that everyone needs to absorb that, right. I feel like that's a young reporters thing that they put too much on the O t s. Because you want to feel like your time is valuable. You're there and and I used to I used to write these like winners and losers of O t a s like whose stock is up inside? And then you realize, especially now because the practices are different than they were fifteen years ago too. It's not even practice. It's just like teaching sessions that there's nothing nothing. Everything is closing it out with Connie and the letter z Z is for Zamboni. Of course. It is machine that's used to clean and clear the ice at a rink. Almost gonna run over by one when I was covering high school high man. That would be right after the game, literally right after a game ended. I had to get across the ice into the locker room on sneakers and I was looking at my notepad. I swung the door open, took I was just about to take a step, and the thing from oh my gosh, we would not be yeah, it would be yes. It would not be good. Put it that way. Wow, that's that's a sliding door scenario that I get run over by a Zamboni at age twenty three for The Journal News. Death set by Zamboni is probably the worst that I can't think of it because ultimately people are counting the days until they can make hold on is like super loud to like, it's not like it's a it's not like a vehicle. The stands and you're busy and you're scrambling and you're just okay, So anyway I made it. There is the feeling of having fresh ice like all to yourself. There's not thing like if you are a skater. I'm sure it's the same thing for like hockey players too. And I feel like Maddie Ice right now has a completely clean fresh in Indy and the Colts are going to the playoffs after the Zamboni cleared up all of the Wentz mess and if Matt Ryan goes down or gets hurt, then Frank Reich has Nick Foles just waiting right there in the wings. It's perfect. I talked about this on Monday. This all feels overly pat uh And I get it. Nick Foles and Connie and Eagles fans you love that, man, I get it. But like it's like, we got the quarterback and if that doesn't work out, we got Nick Foles, you know, and we know what happened last time. It's like, you still need a lot of things to break right for this team to be better than it was last year. And uh, break Reich, I thought you were. I don't know. I like Matt Ryan, I don't know if this is they're going to be that much better? Like who's skeptical on one of those teams? When I went through the projected starters and looked at the whole roster, was like, you know what, I think Chris Ballard's done it again. Let's overhype the cults like Michael Pittman obviously, like who else do we like Jonathan Taylor. Unlike in terms of pass catchers, guys that are mean. It's it's a concern that Paris Campbell is your number two or I mean number three and Alec Pierce. They love the rookie second round pick, but it's like a rookie vertical second round pick your county on to be your number two. You got a couple of tight ends with mo Ali Cox and you drafted Gilanni Woods. But you're right, it's a bad receiver. They might not be done at wide receiver because like there's the Odell Beckham situation sitting out there. You could add someone still, but Matt Ryan can pretty much put it wherever he wants and then they's they signed. Uh, there's no recovery. Now there is Stefan Gilmer that you know you can got Wight trade. I think i'd forgotten nice little group up front with Quitti Pay who would look pretty good. And Buckner's there. Let's say, yeah, it's pretty really well for that team until they weren't anymore. But you know you need Matt Ryan to still be Matt Ryan. Manageable division. All right, well kind of you've taken over you know, your extensions you're gonna be late. What do you need to do pick up John from his barbershop or waiting outside the barbershop for ninety minutes. No, I have to take the dogs to that appointment. But it's like a logistic or they is there an illness or they just just they have to get like blood worked up. When you said blitzen blitz, seeing that the beginning of the show, I thought you were saying blitz in your dog who slept in a bed with we still do sleep. I do love how authentically those dogs are your children. Oh my god, they are. They're going to give them stickers when they get back from the doctor's bravery when they have surgery. I was sleeping on your couch and like one of your dogs, it was so dark I couldn't tell. Came and licked my nose and then left a little bit later. That was probably maybe so yeah friendly. Thank you, Colleen. You're welcome down for all that you do, for being part of the team both now and tomorrow. Congratulations again, guys. This is a huge day, and we celebrated with a bloated ninety minute episode of Around the NFL. But now you know what's going on. In our league as we had into the darkest part of the offseason. Thank you again to all the listeners. Thank you Chris Wesley, wherever you are our friend. Thank you Graver, Ricky tam Posey, I said, all the other people that have helped us through the years. He the call little Chunky. I call that a little josh Alleni