Duran Duran's "Rio" (1982): Track by Track

<v Speaker 1>This is a podcast from Minute Media.
<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirtle You Can't
<v Speaker 2>Be Serious podcast. I am here with my good buddy
<v Speaker 2>d Graves, and today we are going track by track
<v Speaker 2>through Duran Duran's Rio album d I notice you've got
<v Speaker 2>your cream colored suits on. We got the tropical thing.
<v Speaker 2>Our good guest here, Melissa Mingles. She's got the cherry
<v Speaker 2>ice cream lipstick on and her Duran Duran T shirt.
<v Speaker 2>We are ready to go. D How you doing today?
<v Speaker 3>I'm grand, I'm Rio grand.
<v Speaker 2>Today We've got a special guest with us, Miss Melissa Mingled. Melissa,
<v Speaker 2>you are a huge Deranduran fan and you are here
<v Speaker 2>diving in with us Rio track by track. How are
<v Speaker 2>you doing?
<v Speaker 4>I am doing so oh well. Thank you for letting
<v Speaker 4>me horn in. I'm not sure how many times I
<v Speaker 4>invited myself to join your podcast, but you guys, I know,
<v Speaker 4>for me and a lot of buddies that listen, you
<v Speaker 4>guys give us a lot of laughs, a lot of nostalgia.
<v Speaker 4>It's just such a fun break from life, fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just sitting here, I'm marveling over She's got a book.
<v Speaker 3>I have a book with tabs it's Rio by Annie Zeleski,
<v Speaker 3>and it's thirty three and a third and it looks fantastic.
<v Speaker 4>It is fantastic. The thirty three and a third is
<v Speaker 4>a series and they have a bunch of albums, and yes,
<v Speaker 4>I found this little jewel. I work for a publisher,
<v Speaker 4>so I gotta have a book. I have my Leslie
<v Speaker 4>note binder with song lyrics and notes and so many
<v Speaker 4>sticky tabs.
<v Speaker 2>You are ready to go.
<v Speaker 4>I'm ready. I'm ready.
<v Speaker 3>I've got people's last names written on my hand.
<v Speaker 2>Taylor, Yeah, that's easy, Yeah, right, Okay, Well, today we're
<v Speaker 2>diving into the album Rio. This was released May tenth,
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty two. We were talking beforehand. It's kind
<v Speaker 2>of funny because it was released in Britain in May
<v Speaker 2>of eighty two, but some of the singles were even
<v Speaker 2>released as late as nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. As a kid, I just you see something on
<v Speaker 4>MTV and listen to it and think it was cool.
<v Speaker 4>But even as I was backtracking and looking at the
<v Speaker 4>timeline of things, some of the songs from Rio were
<v Speaker 4>written befour songs on their original album.
<v Speaker 2>What Are Your Memories of This One?
<v Speaker 3>I was six, so it's like all just a mishmash horrible.
<v Speaker 3>I mean literally, So you remember when we first started
<v Speaker 3>talking about them, I'm like, did were they somehow related
<v Speaker 3>to Australia in some way And You're like, I don't
<v Speaker 3>think so. I think they're just British. So the summer
<v Speaker 3>after I was in second grade, I can remember that
<v Speaker 3>they were all over the news when I went to
<v Speaker 3>Australia with my family. We went on a vacation down there,
<v Speaker 3>and they were all over the news, and I at
<v Speaker 3>that age associated them with that country. After doing the study,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, it's because they were the biggest hit
<v Speaker 3>in Australia, Like they were bigger in Australia than the UK,
<v Speaker 3>than the US anywhere, and they were about to come back.
<v Speaker 3>They were about to come back in that year, in
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three, in November, and so basically the Australian
<v Speaker 3>press was like, we have to get ready because it's
<v Speaker 3>going to happen again, because crowd went nuts when they
<v Speaker 3>showed up down there, and so that's my big memory
<v Speaker 3>of the band. And then of course watching all the
<v Speaker 3>videos on MTV.
<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to talk a little bit about the
<v Speaker 2>MTV impact when Duran durand came out in nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 2>one with the Girls on Film and all that stuff,
<v Speaker 2>MTV was in its infancy. So August of eighty one,
<v Speaker 2>MTV goes live. Remember the campaign I Want My MTV?
<v Speaker 2>Of course.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So the interesting thing to me, I grew up in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Okay, Tulsa,
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma was one of the pilot cities for MTV, so
<v Speaker 2>I had my MTV.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>But the interesting thing to me is that the executives
<v Speaker 2>from MTV needed some tangible evidence to bring to record
<v Speaker 2>producers and artists and say, hey, listen, where we are
<v Speaker 2>you are selling records. And one of those places that
<v Speaker 2>they wentla was Tulsa. They went to a record store.
<v Speaker 2>I think I told you. My go to record store
<v Speaker 2>was Peaches in Tulsa, and that's one of the places
<v Speaker 2>that they went and they talked to the guy and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, what what are you selling right now? He's like,
<v Speaker 2>we have sold three boxes of Duran Duran today, and
<v Speaker 2>like literally that is one of the only places in
<v Speaker 2>America that was moving Duran Duran. And so they were
<v Speaker 2>jumping for joy that they could go back and then
<v Speaker 2>say wherever MTV is we're selling your stuff.
<v Speaker 3>They even in Tulsa, they could divide it by the street,
<v Speaker 3>like if one side of the street had MTV and
<v Speaker 3>the other side of the street didn't have MTV, they
<v Speaker 3>could set and it was with Duran Durant. The guy
<v Speaker 3>that had MTV knew who Duran Duran was, and the
<v Speaker 3>guys on the other side of the street did not
<v Speaker 3>know who they were.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where'd you grow up?
<v Speaker 4>I grew up in Oklahoma City. I remember if friends
<v Speaker 4>had MTV first before we did, and I think that's
<v Speaker 4>where I first saw Hungry Like the Wolf. That's what
<v Speaker 4>became popular first, and it was just love at first sight.
<v Speaker 4>As soon as we got MTV, my parents almost got
<v Speaker 4>rid of it because we loved it a little too much.
<v Speaker 4>You know, you couldn't this before we even had a
<v Speaker 4>VCR a couple of years before that. So you had
<v Speaker 4>to sit and wait for those videos. And if a
<v Speaker 4>whole hour went by and they didn't play Duran Duran,
<v Speaker 4>or you saw one that you'd already seen and you're
<v Speaker 4>waiting for another one, I mean you had I can't
<v Speaker 4>go to the dinner table right I haven't seen Hungry
<v Speaker 4>Like the Wolf yet.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's funny that the parents almost get rid
<v Speaker 3>of I can you saying that? Makes me remember my
<v Speaker 3>dad used to threaten to throw the TV into the pond.
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to throw that.
<v Speaker 4>We cried and cried and cried, and my dad finally said,
<v Speaker 4>all right.
<v Speaker 2>So Rio has nine songs, four singles, six videos. They're
<v Speaker 2>one of the first bands to entirely embrace the MTV
<v Speaker 2>music video I mean, on top of having great songs
<v Speaker 2>that really propelled them to the top.
<v Speaker 3>Before we jump into it track by track, can we
<v Speaker 3>talk about the cover a little bit?
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? Yes?
<v Speaker 3>Please? Okay, So I'm going to say what I know,
<v Speaker 3>which is that the Lady, which is one of the
<v Speaker 3>most distinctive album covers ever, right for sure. It's by
<v Speaker 3>an artist named Patrick Nagel. Yes, and this Lady is
<v Speaker 3>one of the Nagel women. He was famous for doing
<v Speaker 3>perfect women inside Playboy magazines with a very you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's like an art deco style almost on these women.
<v Speaker 3>They were very tall and then obviously very contrasting sharp lines,
<v Speaker 3>and it is perfect.
<v Speaker 4>I think it still stands the test of time. When
<v Speaker 4>my husband I were newly married in nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 4>we had a Patrick Nagel studied French in college, but
<v Speaker 4>one with the Eiffel Tower. I just love that Patrick
<v Speaker 4>Nagel's style. But something about the black and white with
<v Speaker 4>pops of color. You look at the image of the
<v Speaker 4>woman and just long, gorgeous hair that could still be
<v Speaker 4>something that would look cool today.
<v Speaker 3>So Nick Rhodes said, I think she has aged rather
<v Speaker 3>beautifully like the Mona Lisa of the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, sure, that is awesome.
<v Speaker 3>We talked about in our last episode that they were
<v Speaker 3>part of the new Romanticism movement, which was this combination
<v Speaker 3>of like lamrock style and the eighteenth and nineteenth century.
<v Speaker 3>Roughly you think adam ant and that's it, right, and
<v Speaker 3>they had done that for a bit, but they traded
<v Speaker 3>that in for what would be the Miami Vice look
<v Speaker 3>by the time we get Rio, and it was. It
<v Speaker 3>was a branding style choice that was a part of
<v Speaker 3>their whole identity.
<v Speaker 2>If you missed our episode on the history of Duran Duran,
<v Speaker 2>go back last week listen to that before we dive
<v Speaker 2>in track by track today. I want to say this upfront.
<v Speaker 2>This album reached number six in the US on March twelfth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, only number six, So I wanted to
<v Speaker 2>go over the five better selling albums. Okay, yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 2>all right, I love it, love it, okay, So to
<v Speaker 2>me this is interesting. So actually I want to mention
<v Speaker 2>number ten because that's Pyromane that week in March of
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty three, and we've covered this one. We actually
<v Speaker 2>go back and listen to this one track by track.
<v Speaker 2>I love Pyromania.
<v Speaker 3>Guys who were neighbors really yeah, that's right, Birmingham and
<v Speaker 3>Sheffield not too.
<v Speaker 2>Far apart cut from the same mold. Really. Number eight
<v Speaker 2>was Total four this week oh wow, okay. Number six
<v Speaker 2>was Lionel Richie, the album that Steve Lucather played on
<v Speaker 2>Can Slow Down right. Number six was Rio. Five was
<v Speaker 2>The Distance by Bob Seeger. Four was Business as Usual
<v Speaker 2>by Men at Work. Three was H two Oh by
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Oates. Two was Frontiers by Journey, which we've
<v Speaker 2>done a track by track on that one. And number one,
<v Speaker 2>of course was Thriller by Michael Jackson. We have done
<v Speaker 2>a track by track on that one as well. That
<v Speaker 2>was our very first episode.
<v Speaker 3>Before we jump in track by track, I think it
<v Speaker 3>is important to note that there are two distinct Rio albums.
<v Speaker 3>There is the UK version that originally came out, and
<v Speaker 3>there is the US version, which was remixed and remastered
<v Speaker 3>because when it came to the US, unless you have
<v Speaker 3>at MTV, it wasn't doing well. What they did EMI
<v Speaker 3>is who they recorded with, and their branch in the
<v Speaker 3>US is Capitol Records. Capitol Records had a guy named
<v Speaker 3>David Kershenbaum, and he remixed a couple of their songs
<v Speaker 3>Hungry Like a Wolf in Rio and released it on
<v Speaker 3>an EP called Carnival. And they were dance mixes, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and that became so popular that they're like, well, let's
<v Speaker 3>just remix the entire album, and so he remixed the
<v Speaker 3>entire album and that's how you get the US version.
<v Speaker 3>And they started promoting them as a dance band and
<v Speaker 3>a dance album as opposed to this new romanticism thing,
<v Speaker 3>and they started climbing the charts.
<v Speaker 2>John Taylor's comment on Rio I thought this was great.
<v Speaker 2>In his twenty twelve memoir, he said, every one of
<v Speaker 2>us is performing at the absolute peak of our talents.
<v Speaker 2>There is no show voting. Every part is thoughtful, considered
<v Speaker 2>part of a greater whole. This is their magnum opus.
<v Speaker 4>One thing I think is really cool that Nick Rhoades
<v Speaker 4>said about the band. I think that all of us
<v Speaker 4>would say that the Rio album was what set us
<v Speaker 4>on our trajectory for not only the next decade, but
<v Speaker 4>really for the rest of our careers.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so here we go. First song on the album,
<v Speaker 2>the title track, Reo.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so you start off with this arpeggio style synth keyboard,
<v Speaker 3>which defines duran duran and basically defines the sound of
<v Speaker 3>the eighties. I mean, it's awesome. And then you get
<v Speaker 3>the quick drum beat, which obviously that's part of the remix,
<v Speaker 3>but then you get that solid guitar coming in, which
<v Speaker 3>then smooth when they go into the chorus, smooths into
<v Speaker 3>a melodious lead. I love every part of the song.
<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic. You were telling me about the sound even
<v Speaker 2>before the arpeggio.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had no idea. Nick Rhoades said that he
<v Speaker 4>was in Manchester, I believe, in that recording studio and
<v Speaker 4>they had this big grand piano and he just took
<v Speaker 4>metal rods and started dropping them on the strings of
<v Speaker 4>the piano. And I'm thinking, whose piano is that that
<v Speaker 4>You're just like taking their grand pre and kind of
<v Speaker 4>recorded that like the sound, but it wasn't really quite
<v Speaker 4>what he wanted, so they reversed it, and that's kind
<v Speaker 4>of that little noise home.
<v Speaker 2>At the beginning.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it was released in November eighty two in
<v Speaker 3>the UK UK. Yeah, it had already been released in
<v Speaker 3>August in Australia because they were doing so well over there,
<v Speaker 3>and then it wasn't until March of eighty three that
<v Speaker 3>it really hit in the US.
<v Speaker 2>Before we talked about the video. When they wrote this song,
<v Speaker 2>John was actually the one who came up with the
<v Speaker 2>idea of Rio as this heenistic exhi cornucopia of earthly delights,
<v Speaker 2>a party that would never stop, and it was really
<v Speaker 2>about the city Rio, and Simon's the one who changed
<v Speaker 2>it's let's change it to a girl.
<v Speaker 4>I was reading going back to before Simon Lebon was
<v Speaker 4>even the lead singer, there was a guy named Andy Wickett,
<v Speaker 4>and I think he kind of tried to jump in
<v Speaker 4>there and say, hey, hey, you know I had some
<v Speaker 4>influence with Rio, but it was a different title, different lyrics.
<v Speaker 4>It evolved so much. Even with Duran Duran, it's like, okay,
<v Speaker 4>you're kind of grasping a Strauss there.
<v Speaker 2>That song was called see Me, Repeat Me, and.
<v Speaker 4>Wasn't there even another name besides.
<v Speaker 2>That Amy A Go Go.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's like, okay, buddy, I you know, you
<v Speaker 4>knew the guys and you work together. But yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>love that Simon Labon. After the first tour they used
<v Speaker 4>some US type from Mountains in the North down to
<v Speaker 4>the Rio Grande.
<v Speaker 2>Metaphor for America. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>So I love that about it because I so desperately
<v Speaker 4>wanted to be British and who knew that They thought
<v Speaker 4>they were kind of cool too, So.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love the Okay, buddy, just to get in
<v Speaker 3>your wicket.
<v Speaker 2>So you were telling me what a cherry ice cream
<v Speaker 2>smile was, Jason.
<v Speaker 4>They have a running theme of some type cherry ice
<v Speaker 4>cream smile. Girls on Film is lipstick cherry all over
<v Speaker 4>the lens and their new album Future Past, which is
<v Speaker 4>very good. I have like three or four songs I
<v Speaker 4>love from it already, but talk about cherry ice and yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I don't think their choice and fruit is accidental. We'll
<v Speaker 4>say that it represents maybe a young, vibrant woman.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I just want to throw out there there's a
<v Speaker 3>saxophone on this one. The saxophone is Andy Hamilton, who
<v Speaker 3>you will have heard if you've listened to Wham or
<v Speaker 3>if you've listened to Elton John, which we have.
<v Speaker 2>We have, Yes, of course we have. The girl laughing
<v Speaker 2>in the song is Nick Rhodes's girlfriend who actually laughs
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of Hungry Like the Wolf.
<v Speaker 4>I saw him talking about this in an interview, and
<v Speaker 4>I thought, you know what, do he take her in
<v Speaker 4>and just make her laugh. He didn't tell her he
<v Speaker 4>was going to do it. He just kind of started
<v Speaker 4>tickling her and getting her to laugh. He said, she
<v Speaker 4>had a really great laugh.
<v Speaker 2>That's good. We've had a couple of albums now where
<v Speaker 2>there's some interesting noises that they're generating in the Yes
<v Speaker 2>this one.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, we'll just say yes, all.
<v Speaker 2>Right, so we reready talk about the video. I know what, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the video, okay. So John Taylor says
<v Speaker 2>when they were done touring the Rio album in May
<v Speaker 2>of eighty two, they all took a vacation together. He
<v Speaker 2>say it was like the movie Help from the Beatles,
<v Speaker 2>was like they all stayed in the same condos. Every
<v Speaker 2>morning they'd get up, walk outside, good morning, good morning,
<v Speaker 2>good morning. So they all had a great time. Andy
<v Speaker 2>went back to Britain to be with his fiance. MTV
<v Speaker 2>loved their other videos so much they had sent back
<v Speaker 2>to the Sri Lanka videos, and Russell mckayhy said, stay
<v Speaker 2>in Antigua, we're coming down to shoot another video. Don't move,
<v Speaker 2>we'll be there. We're grabbing Andy and will be there shortly,
<v Speaker 2>which I think is interesting. When Andy got on the airplane,
<v Speaker 2>he noticed this very pretty model type. Turns out that
<v Speaker 2>was the half Lebanese English model who would then be
<v Speaker 2>Rio in the video, the one that they painted up.
<v Speaker 2>And he noticed her on the airplane.
<v Speaker 3>Had she already gotten the job or did she get
<v Speaker 3>the job because he noticed her.
<v Speaker 2>She already had the job. She already had the job.
<v Speaker 2>So what do you guys think about the video?
<v Speaker 3>Okay, he can't make a bad video. Man, the guy's awesome,
<v Speaker 3>he really is.
<v Speaker 2>This is the same director who did Highlander.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was the one who had done razorback in Australia.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right, and that's how he had gotten
<v Speaker 3>the job. But I'm guessing had it not been for
<v Speaker 3>Duran Durand, we would not have the movie Highlander.
<v Speaker 2>I think you're probably right. About that. One of the
<v Speaker 2>Burrow brothers wanted to go yachting, and so he told
<v Speaker 2>Russell mcahee and so Russell Kay is like, well, fine,
<v Speaker 2>I'll just make a script where we're yachting.
<v Speaker 3>There are no rules to videos, so let's talk about
<v Speaker 3>the tropical code suits that they got on the yachts.
<v Speaker 2>They had bought those suits anticipating shooting the video in Britain, right,
<v Speaker 2>and so what they just drug them all down to
<v Speaker 2>Indiga and then there they are on the.
<v Speaker 3>Boat, yachting and dancing in the same looking.
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. They weren't in their suits.
<v Speaker 3>They were cooling off wearing Spiedo's yeah banana hammocks and.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah you don't. Well, I have a friend that was
<v Speaker 4>in France and like he was forbidden from wearing what
<v Speaker 4>we call a swimsuit because they look like shorts at
<v Speaker 4>a public cool because those are speedos or bathing suits
<v Speaker 4>and they think you're wearing just regular clothes. So I
<v Speaker 4>don't know, man, but yeah, they're.
<v Speaker 2>Big on finan, they're swim short put on something smaller.
<v Speaker 4>This is funny about the Rio video that I did
<v Speaker 4>not know, but they had different ideas for it where
<v Speaker 4>the band members get chased off the island and people
<v Speaker 4>wielding guns and all this stuff, and they actually didn't
<v Speaker 4>have enough film stock left to shoot it. And even
<v Speaker 4>for John Taylor playing the saxophone, they borrowed a tourist
<v Speaker 4>camera for that.
<v Speaker 2>How cool is that Nick.
<v Speaker 3>Rhodes was getting seasick while they were foaming all of
<v Speaker 3>these things, right, which is interesting because he meets his
<v Speaker 3>future wife at a yacht club. But what he said is,
<v Speaker 3>I don't like boats unless they're tied up and you're
<v Speaker 3>having cocktails on them. But I get that. The rest
<v Speaker 3>of the guys who were not sick, including Russell, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>we're all out there swimming and a boat captain comes
<v Speaker 3>and yells at him.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, get out of the water the sharks And
<v Speaker 2>actually in the music video you can see John Taylor
<v Speaker 2>pushes in Roger Taylor like that was totally unscripted. He
<v Speaker 2>was just standing too close to the edge and what
<v Speaker 2>do twenty two year olds do? Yeah it see yah yeah,
<v Speaker 2>And he got in big trouble with like the captain
<v Speaker 2>was like, you don't understand. You don't screw around on boats.
<v Speaker 2>People die and drown and all this stuff, and they
<v Speaker 2>just thought it was funny, you know, Sorry sir, sorry,
<v Speaker 2>he was standing close to the edge and I was right.
<v Speaker 3>There and I was twenty two.
<v Speaker 2>That boat is called the Eileen Come On, come on,
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you, And it fell into terrible disrepair
<v Speaker 2>after the video, and then they spent two and a
<v Speaker 2>half years restoring it. And now I saw an updated
<v Speaker 2>picture and she looks beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>The funny thing, too, is that they make it look easy.
<v Speaker 4>It was something for me as a little thirteen year
<v Speaker 4>old girl that's starting to realize, Okay, this isn't elementary
<v Speaker 4>school anymore, and some girls are taller and prettier, and
<v Speaker 4>my haircut looks like a mushroom on my So it
<v Speaker 4>was this great escape, almost therapy, just to go in
<v Speaker 4>my little room and my safe house with my family,
<v Speaker 4>you know, and kind of escape and think about traveling
<v Speaker 4>and having adventures like that someday.
<v Speaker 2>Which one of these guys are you going to marry?
<v Speaker 4>John Taylor?
<v Speaker 2>You didn't even think about that.
<v Speaker 3>Every guy in the band was good looking enough that
<v Speaker 3>he could have been the favorite.
<v Speaker 4>Of the band.
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So now we're moving on to the second song
<v Speaker 2>on the album. This song is called My Own Way.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what is really interesting to me. I love what
<v Speaker 3>we're listening to right now. But it's not the original version.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the original version is much more disco like.
<v Speaker 3>This song was released as a single before the album
<v Speaker 3>was done. It came out after Girls on Film. This
<v Speaker 3>was not a This was not a single that came
<v Speaker 3>from Rio. This is a single that came as a
<v Speaker 3>We got to keep the momentum going, for sure, and
<v Speaker 3>so it's an entirely dividus strings and disco sound and
<v Speaker 3>this is much more new waves. It's cool. I like it.
<v Speaker 3>I like our version very much. But the band didn't.
<v Speaker 3>They did not like this song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting. They don't put this on any of
<v Speaker 2>their compilation albums. This was released in nineteen eighty one, yep,
<v Speaker 2>before Rio was even recorded. Which when you're hot, you
<v Speaker 2>got to strike while they Aaron's hot. I've got a song, guys, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>throw it out there, make a video and we'll worry
<v Speaker 2>about putting it on an album after that.
<v Speaker 4>Right, And they for not supposedly not liking the song
<v Speaker 4>that much and not liking to perform it. It's funny
<v Speaker 4>that the remastered two thousand and nine Rio Like two
<v Speaker 4>CD album there's like six versions. So if you're ever
<v Speaker 4>in the car and like, Okay, I'm gonna play Rio,
<v Speaker 4>it's like, it's hard, it's wrong, it's my own way again.
<v Speaker 4>And so I really barely remember sometimes the original version
<v Speaker 4>because I've heard so many remixes of it. It's all right,
<v Speaker 4>it's a little bouncy, it's it's good. It's probably not
<v Speaker 4>my favorite, but I don't dislike it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Roger Taylor refers to this song as the quote
<v Speaker 2>unquote problem child of the album.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if i'd say that.
<v Speaker 2>See I like it. I like it too. It's bouncy,
<v Speaker 2>it's positive, it's sure, it's all be I do prefer
<v Speaker 2>the American version much better.
<v Speaker 4>I kind of love disco. I have to say, you know,
<v Speaker 4>when John Taylor and Nick Rhodes got together and like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>let's start a band and get other people in it.
<v Speaker 4>Two other Drive Forces were sex Pistols in Chic and
<v Speaker 4>she was very Discovery Video fifty four, So that's that's
<v Speaker 4>some of their background. And I kind of love little Disco,
<v Speaker 4>So I don't mind either version.
<v Speaker 3>You guys remember the video of this.
<v Speaker 4>I had to look it up actually, because back in
<v Speaker 4>the day you had to wait for videos to come on,
<v Speaker 4>and I really don't remember this getting much play. So yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I love that you can look everything up on YouTube
<v Speaker 4>now that you know who's in it. Right the Matta door.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, anybody know that? Blew my mind? Who is the
<v Speaker 2>answer if you know Adrian Paul?
<v Speaker 3>Yes, which is important because the director is Russell mckaye
<v Speaker 3>and who is Adrian Paul.
<v Speaker 2>He plays Duncan McLeod in the TV show Highlander? Right, yes?
<v Speaker 3>When did that series come out?
<v Speaker 2>Nineties? Behind nineties, So.
<v Speaker 3>Like this video was filmed in a studio in eighty
<v Speaker 3>one ish, yeah, by Russell McKay. Russell McKay. He six
<v Speaker 3>years later makes Highlander. Yeah, another probably six years after
<v Speaker 3>that they come out with the series starring the guy
<v Speaker 3>who was in the video. That was one of Russell
<v Speaker 3>McKay's very first videos. He shot it on thirty five millimeters.
<v Speaker 3>This is an on film video, not on a video video.
<v Speaker 2>Starting a trend.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this could.
<v Speaker 4>Have so easily been a video of somebody that's a
<v Speaker 4>flash in the pan. You never hear from them again.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that's in the early eighties. Was in this
<v Speaker 4>video while show My Kids? But that probably really did
<v Speaker 4>help him in the future.
<v Speaker 2>That absolutely The.
<v Speaker 4>Other songs, fortunately in videos, were more successful.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, parts of this video are shown in the
<v Speaker 2>is There Something I Should Know?
<v Speaker 4>Video?
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so what judgment on this one? This is
<v Speaker 3>just kind of I like it.
<v Speaker 4>I like it.
<v Speaker 3>This is honestly, of the songs on the album, this
<v Speaker 3>is one I like better. It's not my favorite, but
<v Speaker 3>I like it better than some of the others.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, maybe not. The third song on the album,
<v Speaker 2>this is called Lonely in Your Nightmare.
<v Speaker 4>Just okay, Lonely in Your Nightmare. This one was not
<v Speaker 4>well known at all. It's interesting that they chose to
<v Speaker 4>make two videos because they're very similar and it's kind
<v Speaker 4>of a lot of the same footage in a different order.
<v Speaker 4>But I always like this song again, you know, as
<v Speaker 4>a thirteen year old girl who's like, I'm pretty sure
<v Speaker 4>I may never kiss a boy with my mushroom haircut
<v Speaker 4>and all that. But the Lonely in Your Nightmare, the
<v Speaker 4>whole idea of hey let me in, let me help you.
<v Speaker 4>I'm pretty sure there was a subtext for most of
<v Speaker 4>their songs, kind of like, you know, more than words
<v Speaker 4>by extreme like hey, baby, don't just tell me you
<v Speaker 4>love me, why don't you show me?
<v Speaker 2>It goes?
<v Speaker 4>You know, I think in this it might be I
<v Speaker 4>don't know, if he just really wants to be let
<v Speaker 4>into her nightmare to help her because he just cares
<v Speaker 4>so much. There might be an ulterior motive.
<v Speaker 3>He just wants to feel the heap beneath her winter.
<v Speaker 4>He just wants to feel the heat beneath her. I
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of Simon Lebon's lyrics, you're like, what
<v Speaker 4>is he saying there? What does that mean? Or or
<v Speaker 4>you know what it means? But it's just such an
<v Speaker 4>interesting way of phraising it. But one of the lines
<v Speaker 4>I love is where he says, must be lucky weather
<v Speaker 4>when you find the kind of wind that you need.
<v Speaker 4>It's just kind of like, what an interesting way to
<v Speaker 4>fit that into the song.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Simon was a poet. He really was an actor,
<v Speaker 2>and he was a poet, and so his words just
<v Speaker 2>kind of fit into songs. I do think this video
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. There were obviously dream sequences and has he's
<v Speaker 2>kind of whispering and the girls sleeping. There are cobras. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>the video it gave me like the voodoo, so it's
<v Speaker 2>like live and let die. The James Bond very much.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is one of the ones. Who was if
<v Speaker 3>I was listening to my cassette, not your favorite?
<v Speaker 2>No, okay, well, let's move on to maybe the tempole
<v Speaker 2>of the album.
<v Speaker 3>Definitely the tempole of the album. I've been waiting just
<v Speaker 3>for this song.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, song number four. This song is called Hungry Like
<v Speaker 2>the Wolf.
<v Speaker 3>This is the most duranist of all the Duran Duran Durans.
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the great pop songs of the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>I'm spiking my football. It's top five.
<v Speaker 4>It is.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's talk by, but it's it's great.
<v Speaker 3>It is definitely one of the best. The weakness of
<v Speaker 3>the sound Nick Rhodes has created again is synth with
<v Speaker 3>the guitar part in this It's just a perfect mixture
<v Speaker 3>of synthpop, new wave and rock. Like then you've got
<v Speaker 3>Simon Labon's lyrics that are so sexually suggestive and also
<v Speaker 3>so very very fun. Do Do Do Do Do Do Doo?
<v Speaker 3>I Do.
<v Speaker 4>I love that this song like in a day it
<v Speaker 4>was done.
<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about the video.
<v Speaker 4>The recording, the song, putting the song together? They like
<v Speaker 4>show up at the recording, you know, they drink the
<v Speaker 4>night before. Nick gets there first, he's hungover and he
<v Speaker 4>starts playing around with his synthesizer, like, okay, we're here
<v Speaker 4>to work, let me do this. Simon comes in kind
<v Speaker 4>of hears what he's doing, gets kind of interested in
<v Speaker 4>the process. Then you know, you have the rest of
<v Speaker 4>the guys coming in by lunch time, and they just
<v Speaker 4>like knocked it out.
<v Speaker 3>In the day, I'm just thinking being hungover and going
<v Speaker 3>to work, and then all of a sudden you're like,
<v Speaker 3>do do do And all of a sudden, like the
<v Speaker 3>lights shine.
<v Speaker 2>It's like the greatest song I've ever Okay, I'm out
<v Speaker 2>of this now.
<v Speaker 4>Let's go, let's do this.
<v Speaker 2>You know what the song was inspired by. It was
<v Speaker 2>inspired by little Red writing Hood.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, like hungry like the wolf, like the wolf? Sure,
<v Speaker 3>because Little Red writing Hood was also sexually suggested absolutely
<v Speaker 3>what big eyes you have? Yep.
<v Speaker 2>For the longest time it bugged me that it was
<v Speaker 2>hungry like the wolf rather than hungry like a wolf.
<v Speaker 2>And the whole time, I'm like, this is sudden really
<v Speaker 2>talking about I know so many wolves exactly. But when
<v Speaker 2>you said the word red Ridinghood, I'm like, now we
<v Speaker 2>know which wolf we're talking about one. So before we
<v Speaker 2>get to the video, this was featured in one of
<v Speaker 2>my all time eighties guilty pleasure movies, Hot Dog the Movie,
<v Speaker 2>which is a fantastic eighties movie, and it's before like
<v Speaker 2>they realized that soundtracks were a big deal, right, so
<v Speaker 2>they would just grab pop songs and film in there.
<v Speaker 2>So Hungry Like the Wolf was played in Hot Dog
<v Speaker 2>the Movie.
<v Speaker 3>It was Hot Dog the Movie. Did they have the
<v Speaker 3>guy from American Wolf? Yes?
<v Speaker 2>And Shannon David Nonton and Shannon Tweed in her most
<v Speaker 2>Shannon tweetingess.
<v Speaker 4>So I actually did not see that one. There were
<v Speaker 4>plenty that I would apologize to my mom for watching,
<v Speaker 4>but I did not see that one.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't.
<v Speaker 4>I love American were Wolf in London, though.
<v Speaker 2>This one probably wouldn't have the same pool to you
<v Speaker 2>as it did probably me and my buddies.
<v Speaker 3>Shannon tweet pool yes, my lord.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I want to play something for you guys. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So the night version of Hungry Like the Wolf is
<v Speaker 2>different than the album version only slightly. So towards the
<v Speaker 2>end of the song you have this massive Roger Taylor
<v Speaker 2>drum film and it comes right after the heavy breathing
<v Speaker 2>part and the breakdown, and then it rolls right into
<v Speaker 2>several rounds of the chorus and it's pop golf. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>But there is a sound in the background on the
<v Speaker 2>album that has just kind of blended into the background
<v Speaker 2>over the time. I know you said, your mom's going
<v Speaker 2>to listen to this, so I want to be really
<v Speaker 2>delicate here, but that noise that has always blended into
<v Speaker 2>the background for me is a woman having the big
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, she's.
<v Speaker 3>Making it's her name, little red writing.
<v Speaker 2>So the massive female organism sounds and everybody know about that.
<v Speaker 3>The link mouth is alive with juices like what do
<v Speaker 3>you think that is?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know what that means, but I didn't know
<v Speaker 2>that we're actually getting she's.
<v Speaker 3>Giving you an exam.
<v Speaker 2>Well she was here, you go. All right, Well, let's
<v Speaker 2>talk about the video.
<v Speaker 4>Then.
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the Sri Lanka videos. I love
<v Speaker 2>how the entire world is going to know that I
<v Speaker 2>don't recognize the sound of female more guys.
<v Speaker 4>Can be over a little secret.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, okay, let's talk about the video.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is this is a video from the
<v Speaker 3>Sri Lanka video. Absolutely, and we talked to just a
<v Speaker 3>bit but this is really the pinnacle of the Sri
<v Speaker 3>Lanka videos, right, I would say so.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So the reason they went to Sri Lanka is because
<v Speaker 3>they had called back Russell okahe who had directed Planet Earth,
<v Speaker 3>and said, Hey, we want to do another video and
<v Speaker 3>we want it to be like in the Jungle and
<v Speaker 3>have exotic women. And he's like, I just went to
<v Speaker 3>Sri Lanka, that's where we should go. And so all
<v Speaker 3>of the guys except for Nick Rhodes and Andy Taylor
<v Speaker 3>went down to Sri Lanka and started filming. Well, Nick
<v Speaker 3>and Andy are both still finishing up Rio. They're trying
<v Speaker 3>to get it all finished, so they're working day and
<v Speaker 3>night so that they can get down there too. Andy
<v Speaker 3>goes down before Nick does. By the time Nick gets
<v Speaker 3>down there, he's been awake for like thirty seven hours straight.
<v Speaker 3>He gets there, he thinks, I'm going to get off
<v Speaker 3>the plane. They're gonna take me to the hotel. I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to take a shower and things are gonna be okay.
<v Speaker 3>Because he's still wearing the same like leather clothes and
<v Speaker 3>he's had on for the last three days. He gets off,
<v Speaker 3>the guy picks him up at the airport and They
<v Speaker 3>drive for five and a half.
<v Speaker 6>Hours into the jungle with no ace, with no ac,
<v Speaker 6>bumping along the dirt, nasty, bumpy roads the entire time,
<v Speaker 6>and he was just like, this is why am I
<v Speaker 6>doing this?
<v Speaker 3>Why are we doing And then he comes down and
<v Speaker 3>the guys are playing in the water.
<v Speaker 4>Simon describes Nick as the most urbane of the kind
<v Speaker 4>of the most refined. So Roger and Simon are having
<v Speaker 4>a ball. They're you know, swimming. They don't mind the
<v Speaker 4>hot web. They like kind of the adventure of it.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that wasn't really nixed things.
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's funny that in this video Simon
<v Speaker 2>has like orange hair. Did you see his hair?
<v Speaker 4>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he tried to bleach it. He went to
<v Speaker 2>somebody wanted to add some blonde highlights before the video.
<v Speaker 2>She screwed up his hair. So that's why he's wearing
<v Speaker 2>Russell McKay's fedora. Through the whole thing, you get some
<v Speaker 2>glimpses of it. It's very messed up underneath. But I
<v Speaker 2>thought that was funny.
<v Speaker 4>Or it's wet like the apocalypse now coming out of
<v Speaker 4>the water, it's kind of wet down where it doesn't you.
<v Speaker 3>Can't tell it's so this is yeah, is apocalypse now
<v Speaker 3>but for that scene, But the whole thing is definitely Raiders.
<v Speaker 3>It's Raiders, a lot of stark. One of them described
<v Speaker 3>it as Indiana Jones trying to get laid. And when
<v Speaker 3>they were down there, Andy Taylor, you know, they're fooling
<v Speaker 3>around the water. He drinks some of the water and
<v Speaker 3>it's she gets the stomach virus thrown up through it.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had to go to the hospital.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was back.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, everything that I read doesn't always note this little tidbit.
<v Speaker 4>But he was possibly intoxicated and dancing on an elephant
<v Speaker 4>when he fell in the water. Is that right? Did
<v Speaker 4>you guys see that?
<v Speaker 2>And possibly possibly.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe there might might have been drugs.
<v Speaker 4>Might have been I can't really say.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this little nugget that I'm about to share
<v Speaker 2>it kind of goes for the Chauffeur. But MTV was
<v Speaker 2>so new. Russell McKay, he was a frustrated director, wanted
<v Speaker 2>to make these little movies. And when he went to MTV,
<v Speaker 2>he showed him in the video for the Chauffeur, and
<v Speaker 2>they're like, we can't show this. Do something different, do
<v Speaker 2>something exotic. Every video that we have so far, it's
<v Speaker 2>been shot in the same warehouse, doing the same crap.
<v Speaker 2>Go do something different, And so Russell McKay is like, great,
<v Speaker 2>We're going to Sri Lanka and we're gonna shoot jungle
<v Speaker 2>scenes and Raiders is a Lost arc and all kinds
<v Speaker 2>of cool stuff. And these videos were awesome for MTV
<v Speaker 2>in the early days, and he had a.
<v Speaker 4>Great budget to work with, like two hundred thousand dollars,
<v Speaker 4>so that was huge for him. It's like, Okay, I
<v Speaker 4>can't make the full length feature films I want to make.
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to make little four minute films and they
<v Speaker 4>are going to be amazing.
<v Speaker 3>It is on several of the Best Videos of All
<v Speaker 3>Time lists, and it won the Grammy for Best Short
<v Speaker 3>Form Music Video in nineteen eighty four.
<v Speaker 4>Wow yeah, and that was the first one to ever
<v Speaker 4>win that award. So how cool is that for Russell
<v Speaker 4>Molkayhe to kind of have this window open up that
<v Speaker 4>you didn't expect and still get to.
<v Speaker 3>Do what you love.
<v Speaker 2>This was ranked by VH one is the number three
<v Speaker 2>greatest song of the eighties. And by the way, this
<v Speaker 2>reached number three on the Hot one hundred March twenty
<v Speaker 2>sixth nineteen eighty three. The two songs that were better
<v Speaker 2>than Hungry Like the Wolf? Number two, do you really
<v Speaker 2>Want to Hurt Me? Another of no, no, no, wrong.
<v Speaker 3>It was everywhere right then though, right, it was everywhere?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, new Romantic, I'm not accepting that answer. And then
<v Speaker 2>number one Billy Gi I can't argue with that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, okay, to find the eighties and three songs
<v Speaker 3>right there.
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty pretty stout for sure. Once again, the girl
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning laughing, that's Cheryl. That's Nick Rhodes's girlfriend. Okay, guys,
<v Speaker 2>we've done with Hungry Like the Wolf.
<v Speaker 3>I hate to be but yes, man, such a good song.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Last song on side one is a song called
<v Speaker 2>hold Back the Ring. I love this one. I think
<v Speaker 2>this is a great song on this album.
<v Speaker 3>Talk about a band that defined the sound of the
<v Speaker 3>new wave eighties. I mean, that's it right there. Every
<v Speaker 3>song on this album is well, that's eighties, that's eighties
<v Speaker 3>to its eighties and.
<v Speaker 2>Noss they have a knack for writing great choruses, I think,
<v Speaker 2>just sing along stuff.
<v Speaker 3>And Nick Rhodes has a knack for doing some incredible
<v Speaker 3>stuff with a synth that gives it that very durand
<v Speaker 3>duran sound.
<v Speaker 4>One thing I loved about this album, This was kind
<v Speaker 4>of like Thriller. I just put it in and listened
<v Speaker 4>to the whole album. Almost all this songs have a
<v Speaker 4>hook in them, and everybody has some better favorites more
<v Speaker 4>than others. But this is one that just even though
<v Speaker 4>it didn't have a lot of widespread popularity, it's just catchy.
<v Speaker 4>It makes you happy, it's upbeat. But one thing I
<v Speaker 4>thought was kind of interesting for John Taylor. He has
<v Speaker 4>kind of two tracks of the bassline and one that's overdubbed,
<v Speaker 4>so that was kind of a challenge for him to
<v Speaker 4>figure out, Okay, how am I going to do this
<v Speaker 4>live and make it sound and still.
<v Speaker 2>Have that sound one he was picking right, yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Well one he has to use a pick, and the
<v Speaker 4>one's like, yeah, kind of little pops.
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's interesting what this song is about
<v Speaker 2>and why it was written. So John was doing drugs
<v Speaker 2>and drinking and living the excessive life of a twenty
<v Speaker 2>two year old pop star, and Simon felt like he
<v Speaker 2>was doing too much and staying out too late and
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with the wrong people, and so he wrote
<v Speaker 2>all these lyrics down Slid them under his door to
<v Speaker 2>kind of express how he was feeling. Has never heard
<v Speaker 2>one word from John about the warnings of the bad life.
<v Speaker 2>So they just made it a song and never talked
<v Speaker 2>about it, and then he went to rehab twelve years later, rehab.
<v Speaker 4>Later, he went to rehab. If you look at the
<v Speaker 4>lyrics of this song, Simon was doing drugs and alcohol too,
<v Speaker 4>but it's like you're that much worse, Like, Hey, I
<v Speaker 4>really got to talk to John. He's got a problem here.
<v Speaker 4>And if somebody is that frequently inu created do you
<v Speaker 4>read this song and think, Man, Simon's right, I've really
<v Speaker 4>got a I've got it.
<v Speaker 3>I've got some issues to address in my life.
<v Speaker 4>I need to take a long, hard look at myself.
<v Speaker 4>John did say later, and oh, I think it was
<v Speaker 4>like two thousand and three, two thousand and four that
<v Speaker 4>he looks back at this song and says that this
<v Speaker 4>is kind of what Duran Duran is all about. Here's
<v Speaker 4>the exact quote. Now, when we play it, there's a
<v Speaker 4>feeling of that's what we do. You know, that song
<v Speaker 4>is what Duran Duran is all about. So I wonder
<v Speaker 4>that's just musically or the friendship. There's that brotherhood. There's
<v Speaker 4>the musical talent they share. But anyway, I love this one.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a great song.
<v Speaker 3>This is one of those something old is new for me.
<v Speaker 3>I was not familiar with this song before were with
<v Speaker 3>this album. This is one that I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>this is good. I'm not familiar with this, but this
<v Speaker 3>is one of those hidden gems for me.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool, Well, hit stop on your tape player, kick
<v Speaker 2>it out, flip it over side two. Starting off side too,
<v Speaker 2>we have the song New Religion. This song is really cool, right,
<v Speaker 2>very cool song.
<v Speaker 3>This is different than what we've heard on the album before.
<v Speaker 3>This is a way different sound. This is not a
<v Speaker 3>damn song.
<v Speaker 4>Talk about the two voices, Well, it's very thought provoking
<v Speaker 4>that yeah, you hear the choruses overlapping both Simon and
<v Speaker 4>I'm not a music person. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 4>call it polyphonic, but it's kind of this conversation with himself,
<v Speaker 4>show why am I having these spots? Why does this
<v Speaker 4>evil follow me? And then kind of the faster chorus
<v Speaker 4>of the struggles what's going on in his mind? But
<v Speaker 4>I love it because I think we can all identify
<v Speaker 4>with you know you picture on TV somebody with an
<v Speaker 4>angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other,
<v Speaker 4>and you've got these two voices in your head. And
<v Speaker 4>that's kind of what this song is. It's one of
<v Speaker 4>their most interesting songs, I think, and I love it.
<v Speaker 2>This song is covered by Jimmy Eat World.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and have you heard it? It's almost unrecognizable.
<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I saw that and I thought I'm going to play that.
<v Speaker 4>It's very slow. I don't think they cover all the lyrics,
<v Speaker 4>but yeah, they.
<v Speaker 2>Sing the middle, right, sing the middle. I'm like, wait a.
<v Speaker 4>Minute, is this Sameman? Yeah, I had no idea. I
<v Speaker 4>wondered how they were going to do it live. When
<v Speaker 4>I saw them in nineteen eighty four, I'm like, how.
<v Speaker 2>Can he do that?
<v Speaker 4>You know, we can't see both parts get right. Sometimes
<v Speaker 4>when they would perform it, John and Andy Taylor, one
<v Speaker 4>or both would cover it. I'm pretty sure when I
<v Speaker 4>saw them in the eighty four tour they had backup
<v Speaker 4>singers that would do one of the lines for him.
<v Speaker 4>Chorus lines. Forum.
<v Speaker 3>You don't have a lot of guys in modern pop
<v Speaker 3>music in the eighties who are doing two different melodies,
<v Speaker 3>singing over the top of themselves with different lyrics that
<v Speaker 3>are difficult to understand. I mean the best you basically
<v Speaker 3>have to go to the album in order to see
<v Speaker 3>what he's saying, which may that was his purpose. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>maybe he wanted you to go what I gotta go?
<v Speaker 3>Look at this so definitely unique. It's musically not something
<v Speaker 3>that I'm gonna keep coming in my head or coming
<v Speaker 3>back to, but it is definitely unique.
<v Speaker 2>Alright, moving on, This song is called last Chance on
<v Speaker 2>the Stairway just all right. So this is my least
<v Speaker 2>favorite song on the ALM. It's this one just doesn't
<v Speaker 2>grab me very much.
<v Speaker 3>This is another this is like good for You off
<v Speaker 3>Toba for this is like the montage scene in Karate Kid,
<v Speaker 3>Like this is the background music for some lover's distress
<v Speaker 3>or something like that. Yeah, it's not. It is not
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite dudes.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of job.
<v Speaker 4>Lissa, we heard you feeling no no, no, I'm good,
<v Speaker 4>I'm good. You know. I wouldn't say it is a favorite,
<v Speaker 4>but I do like it. But as a kid, I'd
<v Speaker 4>listen and be like last chance for what for a kiss?
<v Speaker 4>For more than that? But you read the lyrics and
<v Speaker 4>it's like, Okay, there's a trouble with this couple, things
<v Speaker 4>aren't all good and my last chance on this stairway.
<v Speaker 4>A lot of times when you're breaking up with someone,
<v Speaker 4>there's kind of this. You break up and they're going
<v Speaker 4>down your apartment stairs, a dorm something like that. You
<v Speaker 4>have that last chance, this plea to kind of plea
<v Speaker 4>your case or see if you can work it out
<v Speaker 4>this time. I like that interpretation. I think that's probably
<v Speaker 4>it one thing I like about this song. Also, I
<v Speaker 4>studied French in college and there's one line where he says,
<v Speaker 4>just like a scene out of Voltaire, which Voltaire French writings,
<v Speaker 4>just true romance is notable. Real love people that really
<v Speaker 4>love you for who you are. But what I like
<v Speaker 4>about this is I like people writing lyrics that have
<v Speaker 4>read books. Yeah that kind of you know, they can
<v Speaker 4>do the bouncy, poppy stuff, but they can write lyrics
<v Speaker 4>that make you stop and think. But it has a
<v Speaker 4>little place in my heart.
<v Speaker 2>Good God, I got two little tidbits on this song. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So according to the book Please Please Tell Me Now,
<v Speaker 2>which I read in preparation for this podcast, this song
<v Speaker 2>was written in California on their first tour of the US,
<v Speaker 2>and there's a famous person name checked in the lyrics
<v Speaker 2>on this song, and it's disguised. Okay, Okay, it's Baby
<v Speaker 2>Bule She's like world famous groupie. She's been with Mick Jagger,
<v Speaker 2>she's been with Steven Tyler. In fact, she's lived Tyler's mother.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh, yeah, I was gonna say I know that name.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 2>Yes. And she doesn't like the word groupie. She prefers
<v Speaker 2>the term muse. John Taylor dated her and wanted to
<v Speaker 2>produce her first hit album and when he went to
<v Speaker 2>the studio executives and they're like, okay, she's beautiful and
<v Speaker 2>she's sing minor detail. Apparently she can't sing. Did it
<v Speaker 2>didn't work out?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Throw back to our Aerosmith episode where we talked
<v Speaker 3>about Baby Buell and Liv Tyler.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, former playmate centerfold, former guest of many Beds of the.
<v Speaker 3>Stars, and married to the guy who had a tablet.
<v Speaker 2>That's it. That's exactly right. Okay. Moving on to another
<v Speaker 2>temple on the album. This song is called Save a Prayer.
<v Speaker 2>This song is so good. I love this song.
<v Speaker 4>Beautiful blingers in your head just the music.
<v Speaker 3>And musically, the lyrics are great, the melody is great.
<v Speaker 3>There's nothing problem of the song. Point.
<v Speaker 2>Nick Rhodes does that cool little bender thing with the
<v Speaker 2>synthesizer had a little bender key and so the moon
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. That's really cool. This has an interesting
<v Speaker 2>chart history to me. So it was released in the
<v Speaker 2>UK and Australia in August of nineteen eighty two, never
<v Speaker 2>released as a single in the United States until January
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty five, even though the video was all
<v Speaker 2>over MTV and a hugely popular video. Let's talk about
<v Speaker 2>the video for a second. Okay, another one of the
<v Speaker 2>Sri Lanka videos. They have this really cool scene of
<v Speaker 2>them on top of this like holy site in Sri Lanka.
<v Speaker 2>They had to be air dropped to the top of
<v Speaker 2>that and when they got there, Nick said, it was
<v Speaker 2>screaming hot and so hot, like they're feet were burning.
<v Speaker 2>And when they finally got down, the monks who watch
<v Speaker 2>over this sacred site balled them out for being offensive.
<v Speaker 4>Right, and they had to be barefoot out of respect
<v Speaker 4>for the religious significance. But I don't think the monks
<v Speaker 4>cared that they took their shoes off.
<v Speaker 2>They were still mad.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I had read that actually, while they're filming
<v Speaker 4>sometimes instead of now being the lyrics, they're kind of
<v Speaker 4>fu rustle because they're on fire. But yeah, and it
<v Speaker 4>was kind of a scary time within the country when
<v Speaker 4>they were filming. Also kind of a tense verge of civil.
<v Speaker 2>War, so to touch on that. Once they finished with
<v Speaker 2>these videos and left, Sri Lanka went into civil war. Literally,
<v Speaker 2>these videos are some of the last footage taken of
<v Speaker 2>the old Sri Lanka. Really while they were in Sri Lanka,
<v Speaker 2>Britain invaded the Falklands and so they had to be
<v Speaker 2>like picked.
<v Speaker 3>Up and removed. Should we talk about the elephant the video?
<v Speaker 4>We should talk about the elean.
<v Speaker 3>So they were writing on elephants and the elephants started
<v Speaker 3>making this weird noise. That's pretty cool. We should record that.
<v Speaker 3>That'll be funny. We'll play that. But oh wait, where
<v Speaker 3>did they go? And the elephant has left with Roger
<v Speaker 3>on top, and oh my gosh, it turns out the
<v Speaker 3>sound was a mating call, and so the elephant would
<v Speaker 3>to make a booty call.
<v Speaker 2>Russell McKay he wanted an elephant shower scene on the
<v Speaker 2>back of the elephant, and it was funny because it
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a homo erotic element because these
<v Speaker 2>guys were such good looking guys and they wanted guys
<v Speaker 2>and girls to be turned on by watching this video.
<v Speaker 2>And so they had to fight over who was going
<v Speaker 2>to be sprayed by the.
<v Speaker 4>Elephant, fight because they wanted it.
<v Speaker 2>No fight, because they didn't want so they thought about it,
<v Speaker 2>and finally they're like, well, John, you're the heart throb
<v Speaker 2>of the group. And he's like, you're right, fine, I'll
<v Speaker 2>do it. So that's why John gets spread with the elephant.
<v Speaker 2>At the end, he says, I didn't care. I loved it.
<v Speaker 2>It's one of my most treasured memories. Okay, I got
<v Speaker 2>a great story for this. Okay. So after the video
<v Speaker 2>has come out, they're back at home in England. Nick
<v Speaker 2>Roads is at his house and his mom comes to him.
<v Speaker 2>Nick is at his mom's house, he's probably still living there,
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, hey, Nick, you got a phone call.
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, okay, great, Mom.
<v Speaker 3>Who is it?
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, some guy named Michael. So he goes over.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, hello, Michael Jackson on the phone, yeah, telling
<v Speaker 2>him how much he enjoyed the song Save It Prayer. Nice.
<v Speaker 4>Unbelievable. Can you imagine?
<v Speaker 2>Pretty freaking cool?
<v Speaker 3>It's not as though he's not going to believe it's
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson when he hears the boys come on, who
<v Speaker 3>is this really?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, although that did happen to Steve Lugather and
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Van Halen when Michael Jackson called him okay. Last
<v Speaker 2>song on the album is called the Chauffeur Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So this song is really unique. Yeah, it's not to
<v Speaker 3>my taste. I feel like at the beginning of the song,
<v Speaker 3>I'm about to get killed by Jason Moorhies or something.
<v Speaker 3>But there's some really interesting stuff behind this song we
<v Speaker 3>should talk about.
<v Speaker 2>See. I think this is one of the best songs
<v Speaker 2>on the album. I love this song looking for a
<v Speaker 2>New Person Dry. It's just it is different. This is
<v Speaker 2>Nick Rhodes really showing his talent. In my opinion, very
<v Speaker 2>scynth heavy. The creation of this song I find interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Nick and Simon were working on different songs at the time,
<v Speaker 2>but they would trade off. So when Nick got a break,
<v Speaker 2>he would work on this, and then when it was
<v Speaker 2>his turn to go in the studio, Simon would come in.
<v Speaker 2>Simon said, I was blown away by what he was doing.
<v Speaker 2>They built it together piece by piece, brick by brick.
<v Speaker 4>It was kind of difficult for Nick Roads to sell
<v Speaker 4>this one, he said, politically difficult to sell to everyone.
<v Speaker 4>Then they actually later did another cover of it that
<v Speaker 4>ended up as a Rio B side, and it's the
<v Speaker 4>only Duran Duran song where Nick doesn't play, So that
<v Speaker 4>was kind of like, Okay, you kind of cut us
<v Speaker 4>out of this the first time. So we're going to
<v Speaker 4>come in with more instruments. But can you hear the
<v Speaker 4>little called cokerina? Do you know who's playing? No, Simon
<v Speaker 4>Lebaun is playing and google it. It's a little wind instrument.
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like you're at a little medieval fair or something.
<v Speaker 2>Shape like a blow dryer, but it's kind of like
<v Speaker 2>a kazoo or something.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we have fancy ceramic tassoo. I like this one.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's weird. I totally agree with d somebody's
<v Speaker 4>about to get murdered in this or something. But it's
<v Speaker 4>so eerie using odd sound effects. There's a lyric that
<v Speaker 4>says that a foods swarm up in the drifting haze,
<v Speaker 4>and at the end, if you listen, sounds like cicados
<v Speaker 4>or something. They used to BBC recording They say grasshoppers,
<v Speaker 4>but I don't think it sounds like grass.
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, there's a story behind it. So they were
<v Speaker 3>at the library listening to records of insect noises, and
<v Speaker 3>so there's a narrator on this record. You're hearing the
<v Speaker 3>insect noises, but then the narrators like, this is the
<v Speaker 3>greater spotted cricket lives in the trees, and he says,
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, the guy's like, who's
<v Speaker 3>that speaking things? Who's that calling in the long long grass?
<v Speaker 3>And they're like, oh, that's funny. We got to put
<v Speaker 3>that in the album. Wow. So that's how they got
<v Speaker 3>I love that.
<v Speaker 2>There is actually another sound effect where I think it's
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be like glass breaking. Yeah, it's actually somebody
<v Speaker 2>dropping a piece of ice in.
<v Speaker 3>The water, and.
<v Speaker 4>It sounds like ice in a glass. He says ice
<v Speaker 4>and water, but almost sounds Yeah, the lyric is what
<v Speaker 4>glass splinters lie so deep in their mind and just
<v Speaker 4>kind of putting those little touches. So I've remembered this
<v Speaker 4>song before I came back to kind of review, but
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, I don't think I would have remembered
<v Speaker 4>some of those little touches.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we talked last episode about how right before
<v Speaker 3>he met the guys for Duran Duran, Simon Labon had
<v Speaker 3>been down in Israel at a kibbutz being a tree surgeon,
<v Speaker 3>and he wrote the lyrics for this song in seventy
<v Speaker 3>eight while he was down there in Israel's that's where
<v Speaker 3>the lyrics for the song came from. Was that experience.
<v Speaker 2>He had these lyrics in his pocket when he showed
<v Speaker 2>up to audition for Duran Duran. Yeah, he was wearing
<v Speaker 2>pink leopard pants at the time.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they couldn't be could say no.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, it's a good story with That's not true.
<v Speaker 5>You know.
<v Speaker 4>I was watching Duran Duran, was on Watch What Happens
<v Speaker 4>Live with Andy Cohen and he asked all four of
<v Speaker 4>the guys that are still in Duran Duran, what's your
<v Speaker 4>favorite Duran Durant's song? And Nick chose this one, which
<v Speaker 4>I wonder why he had such influence on it that
<v Speaker 4>he didn't even hesitate.
<v Speaker 2>That's correct. It was interesting. Okay, let's talk about the video.
<v Speaker 4>This is the only video that they're not in right, Yes,
<v Speaker 4>the guys were on.
<v Speaker 2>Tour, they weren't in it. That's why I thought it
<v Speaker 2>was a fan made video. Oh yeah, so I'm watching it.
<v Speaker 2>It said official Duran Duran video. I'm watching it. They're
<v Speaker 2>not in it at all. Yeah, but you know who
<v Speaker 2>is in it? No naked ladies? Well, well, topless models
<v Speaker 2>in lingerie.
<v Speaker 4>Do you want to take?
<v Speaker 3>The video was directed by Ian Eames and was a
<v Speaker 3>black and white piece that was inspired by the film
<v Speaker 3>The Night Quarter and a photographer of theresent me the
<v Speaker 3>photography of Helmet Commute.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I was reading in John Taylor's it kind of describes
<v Speaker 4>he said, you know, with Rio, we've got the song Rio,
<v Speaker 4>that's this pop draw you in. But he's like, you
<v Speaker 4>finished with the Chauffeur at the end of the album
<v Speaker 4>and it's pretty weird. It's kind of dark. So he's like,
<v Speaker 4>hopefully we can lead you down this path to get
<v Speaker 4>you to a point where you'll give the show for
<v Speaker 4>a chance, because it's definitely unusual and not widespread appealed.
<v Speaker 2>Just going back to what we touched on earlier, this
<v Speaker 2>was the video that gave us the Sri Lanka stuff
<v Speaker 2>because they went to MTV they're like, hey, check out
<v Speaker 2>this video for the Chauffeur. They're like, we cannot show
<v Speaker 2>this on MTV. Give us something we came out of you.
<v Speaker 3>I don't like nipples.
<v Speaker 2>The American audience will not allow this in their house,
<v Speaker 2>like Melissa's mom barely let her watch it.
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, cover your ears, mom for this part. Back around
<v Speaker 4>the time I was first just really getting into Duran Duran,
<v Speaker 4>they had a documentary called There was one called Blue Silver,
<v Speaker 4>one called Sing Blue Silver, and one was slightly shorter
<v Speaker 4>for MTV, like an hour, and the other one was longer.
<v Speaker 4>But there's a lyric in this song. This says, sing
<v Speaker 4>Blue Silver. Simon a book as a child about time travel,
<v Speaker 4>and it said people who are coming back from a
<v Speaker 4>trip see blue Silver, and so he uses that lyric.
<v Speaker 4>He would use that title.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, cool song into the album hit stop. It's time
<v Speaker 2>for final judgment. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Before we jump into our final judgment, we have our
<v Speaker 3>Shurly showcase with our old friend mister David Wright aka
<v Speaker 3>Deaf Dave coming in to weigh in on his opinion
<v Speaker 3>between Toto four and Duran Duran Rio.
<v Speaker 5>Hey, guys, how you doing this? Is David Wright return
<v Speaker 5>to Deaf Dave to the Shirley Airwaves. I appreciate you
<v Speaker 5>giving me the opportunity to give you a showcase take
<v Speaker 5>on Toto four versus Rio. This was definitely a trip
<v Speaker 5>outside of my comfort zone and outside of my personal
<v Speaker 5>experience when I was coming up through the eighties. One
<v Speaker 5>thing I love about your show is it really challenges
<v Speaker 5>us to not just look at the stuff that we
<v Speaker 5>liked back in the day, but also dig a little
<v Speaker 5>deeper and put aside our personal preferences and see if
<v Speaker 5>we can appreciate movies or albums on their own merits,
<v Speaker 5>even if it wasn't something we enjoyed at the time.
<v Speaker 5>And so that's exactly what I have to do with
<v Speaker 5>both of these albums. I mean, I have to keep
<v Speaker 5>in mind not every act has the good fortune of
<v Speaker 5>being produced by Rick Rubin, and it just would not
<v Speaker 5>be fair for me to hold that against them. Now.
<v Speaker 5>Of course, I am familiar with the pair of hits
<v Speaker 5>off each of these albums. All four of them are
<v Speaker 5>a classic, all time huge monster hit singles, but I
<v Speaker 5>wasn't familiar with the album. So I dug deep and
<v Speaker 5>I listened to both Toto four and Rio. One of
<v Speaker 5>the defining sounds of the decade was that of synth
<v Speaker 5>pop and duran Duran epitomizes that sound, and this album
<v Speaker 5>in particular epitomizes Duran Duran. So for the ultimate representation
<v Speaker 5>of synth pop of the nineteen eighties, this album really
<v Speaker 5>holds up as the central piece, the masterpiece. There's so
<v Speaker 5>much energy to every single one of these tracks. You
<v Speaker 5>can just feel it. It puts you right back in
<v Speaker 5>the time. These are the kings of the spiked mullets
<v Speaker 5>and the shoulder pad jackets and just multiple layers of
<v Speaker 5>keyboards everywhere you look. And of course and Hungry Like
<v Speaker 5>the Wolf are two of their absolute best. I wasn't
<v Speaker 5>familiar with any of the other songs before listening recently,
<v Speaker 5>but I found so many of them to be catchy
<v Speaker 5>and to be memorable. I really liked the counter melodies
<v Speaker 5>on New Religion. I thought that was fantastic, and I
<v Speaker 5>really like the energy of the Chauffeur in particular. I
<v Speaker 5>thought both of those songs were great. If you want
<v Speaker 5>a collection of albums, all time classic albums that you're
<v Speaker 5>able to listen to all the way straight through top
<v Speaker 5>to bottom and have it represent a significant part of
<v Speaker 5>the music scene of the nineteen eighties, Rio has to
<v Speaker 5>be in that collection. I came away very surprised, pleasantly
<v Speaker 5>surprised by discovering how much I could really enjoy this album.
<v Speaker 5>And then there's Toto four. Of course, I am very
<v Speaker 5>familiar with both Rosanna and Africa. Both of these songs
<v Speaker 5>are excellent, They're catchy, they're memorable, they're all time classics.
<v Speaker 5>Hearing each of these always takes me back to the
<v Speaker 5>day when they were new, And for some reason, the
<v Speaker 5>song Africa sparked within me this romanticized, imagined version of
<v Speaker 5>Africa that just really seemed to paint this epics and epic,
<v Speaker 5>majestic beauty in my mind of that continent, which is
<v Speaker 5>something pop culture I don't think has ever really been
<v Speaker 5>able to recapture about Africa, at least not until the
<v Speaker 5>Black Panther movie. Then I tried to listen to the
<v Speaker 5>rest of the album. These songs do absolutely nothing for me.
<v Speaker 5>They don't move the needle for me at all. They
<v Speaker 5>absolutely do not hold my attention. I cannot stay focused.
<v Speaker 5>My mind's always wondering. Every single one of them just
<v Speaker 5>disappear into the background. Look, I'll say this about them,
<v Speaker 5>they are very competent musicians. They are on this record
<v Speaker 5>doing musician y things. I would not say that they
<v Speaker 5>don't know how to play or anything like that. Of
<v Speaker 5>course they can. But do they have charisma, do they
<v Speaker 5>have a persona, do they have an identity, they have
<v Speaker 5>any kind of star power at all that can just
<v Speaker 5>capture your attention? For me, that's a big noe. So
<v Speaker 5>one thing I love about your show is how you
<v Speaker 5>continually find all these little nuggets of trivia that blow
<v Speaker 5>my mind. And one thing I did not know maybe
<v Speaker 5>I should have, is that the band Toto largely made
<v Speaker 5>up the session play that were involved in the recording
<v Speaker 5>of Thriller. I didn't know that, And now look, Thriller
<v Speaker 5>is the best selling album of all time. His now
<v Speaker 5>passed over seventy million copies sold, and that's something that
<v Speaker 5>one hundred minut or more could never do. But these
<v Speaker 5>guys are session musicians, That's what they are. They're really
<v Speaker 5>good musicians that can probably play a variety of styles,
<v Speaker 5>but they also lack that star power. I guess even
<v Speaker 5>fans of Poco needs something to listen to. Maybe they
<v Speaker 5>should have gotten Quincy Jones to produce for them. Had
<v Speaker 5>a few hiccups and Moonwalks go on a date with
<v Speaker 5>Brookshields and then maybe they'd be the choice of a
<v Speaker 5>new generation. So, guys, this is an easy call for me.
<v Speaker 5>You got the bland, empty yacht rock of a competent
<v Speaker 5>studio act and then you've got the epitome of eighty
<v Speaker 5>cent pop at the top of their game with Duran Durant.
<v Speaker 5>When choosing between these two bands, Duran Duran is my
<v Speaker 5>easy choice. Then again, that might just be a reflex answer.
<v Speaker 5>So to give you my final judgment of these albums
<v Speaker 5>from nineteen eighty two, it goes like this in the
<v Speaker 5>top spot, Thriller, then Rio and then Toto four. All right,
<v Speaker 5>that's gonna do it for me, guys. I'm out of here.
<v Speaker 5>So my name is deaf Dave on Twitter. I want
<v Speaker 5>all those Toto fans out there to at me let
<v Speaker 5>me know how I got it wrong, but don't send
<v Speaker 5>the tweet to me. Now, save it till the morning after.
<v Speaker 5>That's it for me, guys. I gotta go dance on
<v Speaker 5>the sand and bless the rains down in Africa. Somebody
<v Speaker 5>at me, will Conda forever?
<v Speaker 2>Dave coming in hot for Duran Duran right there?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that wasn't even a maybe that was there was
<v Speaker 3>no offling. We have communicated with him a little bit
<v Speaker 3>and he has indicated that we moved the needle a
<v Speaker 3>little bit for him, but it was it was still
<v Speaker 3>a no brainer for him. He's picking Durandra.
<v Speaker 2>Slam Dune for Duran Duran. Yeah, okay, So that brings
<v Speaker 2>us to our own file judgment, right, ladies.
<v Speaker 4>First, Okay, Well, Jason thought I'd be a shoeing for
<v Speaker 4>Duran Duran and I am. I'm gonna have to pick
<v Speaker 4>Duran Duran. But I have to say, after listening and
<v Speaker 4>knowing more about Toto their history, I can't believe Michael
<v Speaker 4>McDonald was almost a part of Toto. You moved the
<v Speaker 4>needle more than a little for me and I like them,
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, Duran Duran all the way. I'm in Juranne.
<v Speaker 2>Awesome.
<v Speaker 3>You don't have a Toto for shirt yet.
<v Speaker 4>I don't. I don't. They We're never on my wall
<v Speaker 4>to But that's okay.
<v Speaker 3>You didn't have one of them picked out as your favorite?
<v Speaker 3>Who had spot the Diamond?
<v Speaker 4>Yes? No, The only one I knew by name was
<v Speaker 4>Bobby Kimball and he was definitely not on my wall.
<v Speaker 3>You're not in the heavy set guys who do a
<v Speaker 3>lot of coconine. I look a little bit like Mario.
<v Speaker 3>All right, d You're out, Okay. I love this album.
<v Speaker 3>I love Duran Duran Rio. It is iconic, It defines
<v Speaker 3>the eighties. It was a huge part of my experience
<v Speaker 3>growing up. Probably in this time period, I would have
<v Speaker 3>easily picked durand Ran Rio as my favorite out of
<v Speaker 3>these two albums, But having grown up, I have changed
<v Speaker 3>my position on this. Wow, looking at Toto in detail,
<v Speaker 3>in Toto if you will, Yes, I was really impressed
<v Speaker 3>with them. And like you say, frequently, if I'm running
<v Speaker 3>out the door and I'm picking one of these CDs
<v Speaker 3>to throw in the CD player to listen to on
<v Speaker 3>the car trip, it's going to be Toto four for me.
<v Speaker 3>Every single time. I will say this. I was more
<v Speaker 3>impressed in the musical ability of Duran Duran than I
<v Speaker 3>thought I was going to be the complicated basslines that
<v Speaker 3>John Taylor was doing. Yes, it was something that he
<v Speaker 3>had to do two parts in the studio and then
<v Speaker 3>figure out it. But even those two parts were complicated.
<v Speaker 3>The sounds of Nick Rhodes intricate, delicate new wave. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>it defines the eighties, but to me, I'm an old
<v Speaker 3>school rock and roll guy, and Toto's influences are more
<v Speaker 3>like my influences. Their music is still amazing, their faultless musicians,
<v Speaker 3>and I prefer the sound of real guitars to the
<v Speaker 3>sound of synthesizers. And so for me, it's going to
<v Speaker 3>be Toto four all day long. You get a song
<v Speaker 3>with a billion point one lads, I gotta have some
<v Speaker 3>people on my side on this one. So for me,
<v Speaker 3>it's gotta be Tota four.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, fantastic. Okay, Before I give my final judgment, I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna put you guys on the spot real quick. Favorite
<v Speaker 2>drand Duran song Go Girls on Film Wow, Okay, the
<v Speaker 2>Reflex Reflex, Yeah, seven and the Ragged Tiger. Yes, this
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. So you took one not on Rio. You
<v Speaker 2>took one not on Rio. Mark me down for ordinary World.
<v Speaker 2>That's three songs not on Rio. But Rio is clearly
<v Speaker 2>my favorite Dran Duran album.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I would say, I would say as a whole like,
<v Speaker 7>if you talk about the whole catalog, I'm gonna pick
<v Speaker 7>Duran Duran over Tote Like Toto's got four and it's
<v Speaker 7>got a couple of other songs, right, Duran Duran has
<v Speaker 7>some great stuff spanning several decades.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, overall catalog, I would say, yeah, Duran
<v Speaker 3>Duran's to learn.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So here here's where I am on this one. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So the peaks of Toto four are so good. You
<v Speaker 2>got Africa, you got Roseanna, you got I won't hold
<v Speaker 2>you back. I love to make believe. But for me,
<v Speaker 2>the war is fought in the trenches on the other songs, right,
<v Speaker 2>Duran Duran's Rio. You've got Rio, You've got Hunger like
<v Speaker 2>the Wolf, You've got saber Prayer, You've got the Chauffeur.
<v Speaker 2>But for me, it's the other songs in Rio that
<v Speaker 2>make it better than Toto. For song, the song across
<v Speaker 2>the board, I'm slamming the football, Rio, Duran, Duran, mark
<v Speaker 2>me down.
<v Speaker 4>Wow.
<v Speaker 3>So Rio wins by a landslide for US four. We
<v Speaker 3>got three votes for Rio. I'm all over here by myself,
<v Speaker 3>but I will say this, it's important to now. We
<v Speaker 3>mentioned this last in our last episode. Duran Duran is
<v Speaker 3>about to get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall
<v Speaker 3>of Fame. And they are beating like there's a fan
<v Speaker 3>vote component, right, And it's a hard fought competition and
<v Speaker 3>they Eminem was ahead of them, and they are now ahead.
<v Speaker 3>And not only are they ahead, but they've like flown ahead.
<v Speaker 3>They're over one hundred thousand votes ahead of him. And
<v Speaker 3>so there is a big contingent out there of Duran
<v Speaker 3>Duran fans who are rocking the vote if you will,
<v Speaker 3>but I will say this on Spotify, Duran Duran and
<v Speaker 3>Monthly listeners has six point five million people Toto thirteen million.
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.
<v Speaker 3>So I'll take your three votes against my one vote
<v Speaker 3>because I guess some others on my side.
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, we want to hear from you, guys.
<v Speaker 5>Do we get it right?
<v Speaker 2>Where do you come down? Total four versus Duran Duran's
<v Speaker 2>Rio album, both turning forty years old this year.
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<v Speaker 4>Thank you guys so much for having me. Next time,
<v Speaker 4>I'll do my British accent.
<v Speaker 3>I was really disappointed we didn't get a little more Francai.
<v Speaker 2>All right, hey, before we go away next week, we
<v Speaker 2>are diving in. We're starting our four parter moving to
<v Speaker 2>movie album to album. We're doing Saturday Night Fever versus
<v Speaker 2>Dirty Dancing movie to movie and Saturday Night Fever versus
<v Speaker 2>Dirty Dancing Soundtrack, the soundtrack that.
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like a mammoth under day.
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be fantastic, all right, see you guys.
<v Speaker 4>I guess