Hour 2 – Penn State Is Missing James Franklin Already, Chris Fowler

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Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna miss it the second time.

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Speaker 2: So we're fully assembled. Todd is here, Seaton's here, Marv Paul yours truly in the BRGS. And it's a national signing day. Great day for BYU keeping their coach. Not so good of a day with Penn State. We'll talk to Chris Fowler, the voice of college football. He will join us coming up here in a little bit. Also, this Thursday night football game looks really really interesting. It feels playoff like, you know, if the Cowboys maybe had one more win now all of a sudden, now they can really get into the playoff picture. The Lions. The Lions concerned me here because you know, you keep waiting for you know, teams they flip a switch. Well, I think we like to think that happens, but it doesn't. I think the Texans may have done that now they got the Chiefs coming up this weekend. But the Lions against the Cowboys, now, it's a must win for the Cowboys to keep this story alive. It's a must win for the Lions as well because the Bears have the best record in the NFC and you got Green Bay who has I think top five odds to win the Super Bowl now and it feels like they're kind of figuring out who they are and Jordan Love has played really well. This gets into that must win situation for the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Paul, going back to Dallas, if Dallas can be the Lions, they had the Vikings Chargers, Commanders Giants. That's pretty winnable in their current state.

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Speaker 2: And how many wins. Let's say they win three of those games. What do they have six wins right now? They six five and one. Does that sound right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I got the Cowboys at six five and one. If they could get ten wins, obviously you need some help with the tie break, but that tie can help them. That they had our elms season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the AFC is more wide open than the NFC. But yeah, that's a spicy game coming up tomorrow night. Andrew Whitworth, former offensive lineman. He works for Amazon Prime. He'll be working that game. He'll join us coming up in an hour from now. Say good morning if you're watching on peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country as well. More of your phone calls eight seven to seven to three. DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter hadle at DP show Tailgate the only place to get the autograph calendars. We've added a few more stocking stuffers for anybody who orders the free autograph bundle. Order by December eighth to get it by Christmas. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Benini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We got the rankings that have come out, and I think it's the potential for I don't want to say chaos, but certainly concerned for some schools and Notre Dame and BYU because for a while we were comparing Notre Dame and Miami. I've got the resume comparison here Notre Dames ten and two BYUS eleven and one conference record BYU eight and one Notre Dame not into conference strength schedule BYU thirty five. Notre Dame forty two. Strength of record BYU is sixth, Notre Dame is thirteen. Best win USC for Notre Dame, number fifteen Utah for BYU. Worst loss at Miami for Notre Dame, worst loss at number five Texas Tech BYU still has Texas Tech coming you. Is your microphone on seating? You know it's funny. I went to turn it off and I turned it on instead.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, I got a little bit of a cough too, Thank you, Thank you, Sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Marvin, if you're in Notre Dame, another team you can root for is Duke. Now, if Duke eliminates Virginia, the ACC might not have anybody, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, Duke is playing in the conference title game with five losses. Right, all right, we'll get to your phone calls coming up eight seven to seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle a DP show. We spoke with Bill Cower this week and we were talking about the booing that Mike Tomlin faced after the loss at home against Buffalo, and I did like what Cower said, he goes. You know, I'd see people out on the street and if they said, hey, coach, hi, coach how are you coach that? I thought, okay, I'm don'ing okay. When they would walk by in whisper, then I knew I was in trouble. He said, whenever we lost a game, I never stopped to get gasoline. Never, because I knew that I is going to get an earfall from the Steeler fans. Here's Mike Tomlin talking about the fans booing and chanting for him to get fired.

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Speaker 8: In general, I agree with him from this perspective. Football is our game. We're in a sport entertainment business. And so if you root for the Steelers, entertaining them is winning. And so when you're not winning is not entertaining. And if you've been in this business, you understand that, and so I respect it. I share frustrations. I understand what makes this thing go, and winning is what makes this thing go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I respect that. Let me. Let me throw something out there, and there's nothing attached to this. The last thing I want to do is bring up any kind of rumor with Mike Tomlin, because I did that one time with USC's wish list that he was on the list. He had no interest in going there. I was just telling people This is how crazy you know they're they're searching high and wide to get their next head coach. Okay, that was a while ago. What if Mike Tomlin and the Steelers parted ways mutual parting? You knew who would call him right away? The Cleveland Browns would call him right away. There would be the New York Giants would call it. There would be a line of teams that would say, hey, we got our coach, but we can get that coach. And this might be a situation where Mike says, I'm going to do some TV. Maybe I'd do a couple of years here. He might find that he likes it an awful lot. He's not an old guy. Was he fifty four? Maybe fifty five? But you could go into TV and maybe spend a couple of years in there, and then you can pick and choose what your you know, where you want to go, where you want to live. How old is he, PAULI, he's fifty three. Okay, so that's young. But you know you're in a city that demands greatness because they've seen greatness. You've provided some of that greatness. They've just never been bad enough for him to lose his job. If you're always nine and eight or when they played sixteen games eight and eight, No. Nine and seven, you can keep your job. But getting into the playoffs but not winning in the playoffs is unacceptable when you haven't won a playoff game since twenty sixteen and you're the constant. That's where I think. And Ben Roethlisberger said, hey, they might have to look at cleaning house. This is from Ben, but imagine if how would the Steeler fans feel if Tomlin went to the Browns? Because you can't rule that out. Feels like Kevin Stefanski is trying to coach for his job here, but if the Bengals brought him in. I mean, these are all scenarios that I think would be realistic.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, But if you're Mike Tomlin, what would entice you to go to the Browns of all teams?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to coach again and you could go in there, you got an unbelievable defense. Really, they the Browns aren't that far away. I know it sounds crazy to say that, but Okay, you got to find your quarterback, and that's a big find. I get that. But if you get a couple of pieces, then all of a sudden, with that defense, you're gonna get people's attention, and he might look at that, or he might say, hey, look at the Bengals in that offense. Hey, I'll build a defense to go along with that offense. Maybe you know, he just says I'm going to go, you know, be a TV analyst, which you know, he might like it. He might find out that, you know, Sean McVay is going to be a great analyst. At some point, probably gets one more super Bowl, Super Bowl appearance, and then he's probably going to go, hey, I can go dominate, you know, in the broadcasting booth or a studio show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paulie, I want to say that Mike Tomlin should pass on all AFC North jobs they come available. But if the Bengals job, the healthy Joe Burrow becomes available, I would make my pick based off the quarterback and Brown's you know, you can't go to the Ravens and not going to be open. But that Bengals job if it did come open, Oh my gosh, what about the Giants?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the New York Giants? I mean, you got some players there. As long as Abdul Carter shows up at meetings, Jackson Dart gets out of bounds. Yeah, Seaton, Yeah, you know that Bengals job is interesting.

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Speaker 7: It's a good chance to win with somebody else's players, step right into a good situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 3: Would there be mutual interest with the Raiders or Dolphins and Mike Tomlin if you want to stay in the AFC and Mike McDaniel, Lee's I know the Dolphins have been playing well lately and the Raiders are a disaster and they got a lot of rebelling to do, but maybe this Pete Carroll experiment is a one and done.

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Speaker 2: Of course there would be interest. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame coach.

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Speaker 3: Would he want to go to one of those teams?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I don't know. I don't know Mike Tomlin at all. I don't think he's ever been on the show. He's been asked before, but he's never been on the show.

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Speaker 6: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know how the analysts always say, the next head coach you hire, you want to be the opposite of the one you're firing. Mike Tomlin is the opposite of the Miami Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel. I mean he is a tough guy to the point, gritty football guy. No nonsense, he's not. He doesn't look like the IT guy with the quirky statements.

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Speaker 2: John and Philly, Hi, John, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 9: Hey? Dan? Six foot one eighty five as mentioning, you were talking about Mike Tomlin and he would get his ticket a litter if he would ever get let go by the Steelers, And I as the Steelers fan, you know, I feel like he is a bit overrated in the sense of having basically two separate careers in the last fifteen years. He's won three playoff games and they were against Matt Moore, AJ McCarron and Alex Smith. Not the greatest resume in regards of postseason in the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you, John. I still think there will be a lot of teams in line. He's an upgrade. He's an upgrade on those other coaches in those positions. The question is what does he want? What's Pittsburgh going to do? I mean, they got to find their quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback since Ben and you know, the defense isn't as formidable as it once was. It feels like they get receivers, they don't keep receivers. Yeah, Paulie, we were talking.

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Speaker 5: About a month ago best state for football, Worst state for football, the current state of football in the state of Pennsylvania. Now, the Eagles are defending champs, but they don't feel like they're going back. Penn State is a real mess this week, and the Steelers non threatening.

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Speaker 2: Rich in South Dakota, Hi, Rich, what's on your mind? Hey?

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Speaker 3: Dan?

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Speaker 10: And eighty as a lifetime in Nebraska fans. I feel like Penn State is mirroring what Nebraska did back in two thousand when they fired Solidge. I think Peters from the AD thought, hey, I'm going to have a list of people I can choose from, and I come in the office on Monday and they had to settle for Bill Callahan. And they haven't been relevant six I think Penn State really needs be careful with their next tire on there, because they could be the next Nebraska football program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rich, great reference. I thought Frank Solich was a really good head coach and then Nebraska fires eam he goes to Ohio University. I thought he was a really good coach. I do, but yeah, Penn State, you know National Signing Day. This is the kind of thing that reverberates, not only this upcoming season, the season after that, and you're really going to have to dive into transfer portal, going to spend some money. But and maybe they have a game plan. I have a couple of friends went to Penn State and they're like, you wait and see. So every time there's news that somebody's not going to Penn State, I'll go I'm still waiting to see. And then you had Kalanie Sataki, the BYU coach who said no to Penn State. So I'm going to keep an eye on that as we all will. Uh kenon Ohio, Hi Ken, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Dan h best to all of the boys in the ICU ward. I hope you all get stealing better soon. Got a couple I guess I have a comment about this whole Lane Kiffin thing. I think the best thing that could happen to Lane is that nobody wants to sign with him because the man lacks character. You know, we hear all the time how coaches are trying to build men out of young men and form formulate their character and who they're going to be and if I'm a senior wanting to sign or somebody to move, why would I want to go to a coach that he can't make up his own mind? He committed to anything and his characters in question.

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Speaker 2: Ken, Maybe forty years ago i'd buy into that. Maybe thirty years ago, maybe twenty years ago. Not now. These kids are going They want their nil, They want to know if they're playing, Hey, can that guy get me to the next level? Get me to the pros. I don't think there's any loyalty. I don't think there's any allegiance. I don't think it's I'm building men, you know, Yeah, I'm building their character. I mean this all sounds good from yesteryear in a different generation. It's just not applicable now. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think if we're going by is his name Ken, I think Ken, if the only way to build character is through being a perfect person, then no.

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Speaker 2: One's building any character, you know.

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Speaker 7: So I think that Lane Kiffin might be bringing kids in and helping develop them into young men. That doesn't mean that everything he's going to do in his life is perfect. That doesn't mean that he now has to stay at this one place or he will forever be a hypocrite or some type of moral less, characterless guy. Yeah, he got a chance to jump to a marquee job. He's striking while the iron's hot. It's something that he's done his entire career. He's done that every single step of the way. This isn't anything new for him or for pretty much any coach that's out there right now.

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Speaker 2: So I think that we got.

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Speaker 7: To chill a little bit with the This guy's got no spine and he's a turds kind of talk.

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Speaker 2: Like easy dude. I don't know if he's been described that way. That was the subtext of what Chemo said. Subtext, Yeah, I read into it. Yes, Marvin, he.

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Speaker 4: Was described as something else over the weekend. But I'm not going to say it on it.

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Speaker 2: But bro, all right, we'll take a break. Rhymes with bruh oh. Yeah that's right. Well, it is the holiday season. Ho ho ho. Chris Fowler is going to join us coming up next here, Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: You know, whatever you see the play by play guy, you listen to him on the broadcast. You know, Pat Summer all murder, She wrote, I always wanted to do one of those promos during a big game, like someone is guilty, No one is innocent. In a new drama series, He's all her fault. The seemingly perfect families world is shattered when their young son goes missing. Streaming now only on Peacock. What do you think, Bunny?

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Speaker 5: Except on the West Coast.

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Speaker 2: Chris Fowler gets to do that. ESPN College Football tennis host commentator. He's got the big games, He's got the SEC championship game coming up, he's got to have the Heisman ceremony, the national title. Did you ever have one of those moments where during a game, you have to do a promo for something coming up on ABC.

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Speaker 13: Nothing good is murder, she wrote, I mean I would like to do a dramatic show. We get money at football, we get the Tuesday CFP ranking show. It's hard to, you know, bring the gravitass to that, Dan, It's hard to lay the drama on with those kind of promos.

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Speaker 6: I kind of wish we had, you know, even like Dancing with the Stars. I mean, you can. You don't get a lot of.

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Speaker 2: All Right, your initial reaction to the rankings was what.

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Speaker 13: Notre Dame's worried? I actually just spoke to Marcus Freeman about some other things. But you know, them dropping down a spot, Alabama beating Auburn a tough rivalry game, great win for them, but not an overwhelming performance has some notre name people nervous. Hey, these games are all interconnected on Saturday in ways that not everybody fully understands and ways we haven't quite seen before. Okay, so you get that Big twelve championship game. People are going to be closely watching whether Texas Tech beats BYU for a second time. If that happens, I know what the commissioner they twelve says, but I think BYU's case would be really damaged. Both losses would be the Texas Tech, but a second loss with BYU's resume would probably be fatal in my view, based on what the committee has done. If they win that game, Texas Tech's not going to fall out of the bracket and Byu would be big twelve champions. That would make a lot of people sweat the ACC championship game. You know, a seven win Duke team wins a six way tiebreak. I have no idea how the ACC determines the tiebreak. They maybe you should consider going forward just using the CFP rankings, which would have Miami in that game clearly a better team than most of those teams they're tied with with those two conference losses. But if Duke wins, stand din I guarantee anything the ACC Virginia solid if they went But if Duke pulls a mild upset, and I think they got a chance.

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Speaker 6: To do that, what are you gonna do? I mean, is the ACC going to be totally left out of this practet?

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Speaker 13: Politically that'd be tricky, but the champion would be guaranteed nothing in Miami. Maybe isn't that large team might help their case. We don't know, because some of this stuff is unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: How much does brand play in this? Do you think in the minds of the committee that Notre Dame's brand How important is that?

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Speaker 13: He asked your viewers, they would say it's everything. I mean they think that ESPN's pulled in the strings. We want the biggest brands. I promise you we have played no part in that. I don't go in the committee's mind if it plays a part. People just sort of assume that Notre Dame is an elite program and when they have ten wins, it must be a really great team. And I think this is a really good team. But I think you'd have to go member my member and really get them to give them some truth serum and ask them if it matters Notre Dame Miami versus BYA or somebody else. I mean, I think statements have been made where non big brand teams have been given the nod.

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Speaker 6: You know, SMU was in there.

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Speaker 13: TCU got into a four team bracket when they made the championship game. I mean, I think you could shoot down the arguments and oh, it's always the same teams. Alabama didn't jump up because they're Alabama. I think they jumped up because the question of excluding a team that makes the SEC Championship game and then loses after beating Georgia on the road in the regular season is pretty tricky, right, Even though that would be the first free loss team to get in, Alabama wouldn't be in because it's a big In my opinion, you're never gonna like dissuade the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere.

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Speaker 6: But that's just my view.

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Speaker 2: What is Penn State doing?

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Speaker 13: Oh, you're not comfortable if you're a Penn State fan waiting like fifty three days after firing your coach, then I have another one in place. When all the teams around you were going boom boom boom. Deal done, deal, done, deal done, including Michigan State, which I don't know one they took l I mean they got their guy in Fitzgerald. We'd been mentioned at Penn State. I don't know what they're doing. I think fans get really nervous in this modern landscape. Today's signing day, the portal is coming up. Penn State's a really attractive job.

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Speaker 6: It's a challenging job. As you know, it's the deep end of the pool and the Big ten, competing with.

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Speaker 13: The with the dollars and the commitment made by Ohio State, Michigan and the West Coast schools. I think Penn State fans would say, wait a minute, we take a backseat to No. One in terms of commitment and resources. And that's what makes it a pretty good job. But I don't know what the hesitation has been. I mean, you know, James Franklin gets fired, he's already got his next job, and I think he's taken four commits to Virginia attach and that's the concern. You know, in this modern yere Dan people don't really fully understand this. It's really the roster that is the asset for the program. The coaches are very important because the coach has to play a big part in assembling the roster and then creating the culture where you get these mercenary guys out of the portal who actually will blend and mash as a team. I'm not downplaying that.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 13: When you talk about a program of the money people that pay for the roster and hire these consultants that pay a millions to help them assemble a roster a sign of value to this guy. They know, Hey, this defense at back at UAB has this analytical grade on every single play of his season. Here's his rating as a player, Here's how we would fit our program, Here's what we should pay him. They have that information to work with for virtually every guy in college football.

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Speaker 6: It's crazy. I've seen the grafts on each player, and so.

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Speaker 13: When those guys make those investments in the roster, that's what their ego tied to. That's what they're invested in, literally financially and ego wise.

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Speaker 6: And the roster almost becomes more important.

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Speaker 13: To keep than the coach, if you know what I mean, Because you get they figure to get a guy to coach this roster. But assembling this roster and paying what we've invested, you think the coaches are well paid. These rosters are like twenty twenty five thirty million bucks. That's not really talked about enough. You better It's like pro sports, right, you can cover and be able. The roster is really bigger than the coach.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to Chris Fowler. He'll be on the call the SEC title game that'll be at four eastern Saturday on ABC also the Heisman Trophy ceremony December thirteenth, and also the national title game as well. Kiffin to LSU. More about Lane Kiffin or the hiring structure windows of college football.

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Speaker 13: Well, the schedule is a problem, but that doesn't that's not his reason for going to LSU. You want to be mad at Lane Kiffer and failing an ole miss go ahead.

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Speaker 6: It's not the schedule's fault.

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Speaker 13: The schedule sets up to create messy situations, right.

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Speaker 6: You can't have signing.

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Speaker 13: The playoff, and the portal basically compressed within one month, all coinciding, coming and going all the time. The coaching carousel is only going to spend more and more, is what I was talking about with the rosters. You can't live with this roster. We'll get someone who can. So that's not going to change going forward. We're gonna have a messy situation every year. They could clean up some of it by maybe a more logical schedule. That's a longer conversation. You know, Kiffin did what most coaches would do. Giffen did what Pete Carroll and Nick Saban told him to do basically, and what or advised him to do. I'll put it that way and what he thought his late dad, Monty would have wanted him to do. And LSU has resources. They won championships with pre coaches.

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Speaker 6: Oh Miss, I think he could do it there too, but it's more of a leap of faith.

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Speaker 13: I like Lane and ole Miss. I'm disappointed for their program. I hope they make a nice run in the playoff with Pete Golding as coach. But Lane is not the villain who's symbolic of everything wrong with the sport.

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Speaker 6: Fans they're going to think that they're going to root.

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Speaker 13: For LSU to lose every game by fifty, which they won't, by the way.

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Speaker 6: But you know, he did what most coaches would do. And I think the old narrative about ripping players or coaches.

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Speaker 13: For making business decisions, in other words, taking more money to go somewhere else. You got to get past that. That's outdated. It's kind of tired and lazy to me. It's the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 6: You be mad about it.

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Speaker 13: You can say college football has been ruined by the portal, by ESPN, whoever you want, but that's just whining and pitching. Coaches no longer do that. They understand the nature of things. And I think fans need to as well. It's not your grandfather's college football, your dad's either It is what it is, like it or not.

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Speaker 6: It's very, very close to the structure of pro sports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said it quite a few times the last couple of days. I don't begrudge him for taking the job. It's a great job to take. It's sort of the way he took it and the mess that he left behind. And you want to go back and coach, but all they won't let me coach, and you know, don't play victim here. Don't don't do that.

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Speaker 6: He said, he think the viility. He's not a victim. You can't want to coach the team you go to an arch rival.

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Speaker 13: If you don't know, folks, that's a bitter rivalry that he left Ole Miss for it for a school that LSU considers Old Miss their little brother and the neighborly thing there. I mean, you can't. You can't have both. And and at most schools would do what Ole Miss. I know Tulamee some stay that's a whole different situation. They're not in the playoff yet, they have to they have some work to do. But I think that. I don't begrudge all missed. I feel badly for their players, I really do. That's why I think I hope they make a nice run. It'd be a great story if ole Miss could say, hell with Kevin, we're gonna rally around Pete Golding and go make or run there.

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Speaker 6: But but you know, and I like Lane.

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Speaker 13: I think he's been the best coach he's ever been by far at ole Miss the last six years, and the happiest person that he's been. So that that to me, that's why it's a little bit bittersweet. But I you know, easily got hire at LSU, got a great chance to win a championship. I said in a video I posted, he's gonna get fired at LSU. He's gonna get They fire everybody unless you're Nick Saban.

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Speaker 6: Saban wins and goes to the Dolphins. He probably would have kept winning and he stayed there.

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Speaker 13: Nick Saban is kind of an outlier, right, But LSU fires two coaches who win championships and not that far after they won, him Miles.

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Speaker 6: And the Oris run.

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Speaker 13: So even if you win a championship down there and then you fall off because maintaining consistent excellence in this landscape with the portal is really really hard to do.

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Speaker 6: So you're gonna have a big year, and expectation is gonna be through the roof.

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Speaker 13: And then you're gonna You're gonna let it down and then nobody's patient. So I think whatever Lane does there, it'll be probably messy when it ends. His exits tend to be messy, and even even his knowledge that right, some guys just.

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Speaker 6: Make a clean break and off the next so nobody gets mad at him Lane. When Lane leaves, it gets messy. It's just you know.

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Speaker 2: Lane talked about the Nick Saban advising him. Should Saban on College game Day this weekend acknowledge that he was guiding him to or told him to leave Old miss as Lane Kiff and his talking should should he be saying that since he's on the premier college you know football program, and you're the most one of the most powerful people, and you are guiding Lanekiffin to take the LSHU job. Should that have been disclosed or will it be disclosed?

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Speaker 6: Will it be disclosed?

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Speaker 13: I have no idea, but you think I should advise Nick Saban and what to tell people?

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Speaker 2: Well, if I'm reise Davis. I got to ask the question, Chris Well.

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Speaker 13: No, I am saying I think he didn't tell him to leave a miss to clarify that. He just laid out for him what his opinion was of the opportunity to win a national championship in either places, as I understand it so and he wouldn't be the only one to lay out that argument. Again, as I said, it's been done in LSU by three different coaches, not that not that much time, and it hasn't been an old miss. I think that that's a little bit less relevant in the modern system because you can win a championship at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 6: They might do it.

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Speaker 13: I mean they're not favored to, but they are capable of winning a championship. You know, look TC, you got to the championship game. Ole Miss can make a deep run. I don't think you have to be one of the biggest brands because you can. You can spend like the big brands did. That's what Texas Tech has done. And the path in the Big twelve is is less rugged than other conferences. But I don't think ole Miss would be incapable of winning a national championship.

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Speaker 2: He's advising him This is Lane saying that he's the one who said you got to take the job. All of us.

00:29:59
Speaker 6: I think that Pete Carroll advice.

00:30:01
Speaker 2: But Saban's the guy who is doing college football. He doing game Day.

00:30:05
Speaker 13: I think Saban wisdom is massively respected by every single coach in the business, including Land of course, who worked for him. So I think that, you know, offline with conversation they had. That's that's for Nick to share or not. But you know, I think he I think Nick coach at LSU, won a championshipdel he does care about the program, and I think he's well acquainted with the landscape down there, the challenges of it. Again, he won and then went to the Dolphins, which didn't make LSU fans that happy, made him even more unhappy when he came back and coached Alabama and then beat him. So I mean Nick Nick Nick and LSU have an interesting relationship, but he did win a championship and he's acknowledged as the greatest coach of all time. I think by there are people so I don't know. I think you can't put it on that. You know, Lane made his own choice. You get advice and whoever you want, you take it to whatever degree you want and uh, and you use.

00:30:59
Speaker 6: It, but you can't. You can't say that he's the reason that Lam made his decision.

00:31:07
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought it was conflict of interest there because he's on the individual.

00:31:11
Speaker 6: Because he's on game day.

00:31:13
Speaker 13: If you had any idea, if you had any idea, the number of calls that you feel from people in the sport asking your opinion and advice on coaches on everything, I mean, you have to really, Nick, Nick is not my position, you know, if you're if you're on the panel as a as a.

00:31:33
Speaker 6: Pundit, I think it's different.

00:31:35
Speaker 13: Nick Nick is still an all time great coach, But the connection is all of the sport and a coach at the place we're talking about. That's not the same thing as as somebody calling Reese or Dez or Kirk or me or in whatever, Pat McAfee. You know, it's it's different. I get asked those questions all the time. I'm not comfortable with.

00:31:53
Speaker 6: It, and I try to say out of it because.

00:31:55
Speaker 13: My opinion whether a guy would be a good coach fit at their place should not be factor into the decision that somebody makes.

00:32:02
Speaker 6: In my view, I just start to stay out of that.

00:32:06
Speaker 2: How dangerous is Georgia They seem to be lost in the shuffle here of you know, when we're talking about great I don't know if they're a great team, but how do you assess how good they are this year compared to what Kirby's had in previous years, not as talented.

00:32:21
Speaker 13: As those teams that win championships that had like the whole to phill up the Eagles defense on them, they had like eight first round guy, those ridiculous. You're not going to ever see a defense as good as Georgia had in those years, in my opinion, the way we're trending in this sport, they find ways, though, Dan, I mean, Kirby knows how to get a team to hit its stride at this part of the season. And that's priceless because that's the thing that coaches struggle with. It comes from the physicality, the toughness that you learn from day one. You get to Georgia. They're really banged up. Their center, Drew Bobo is out. I don't think he's going to be able to go again, and certainly not playing Saturday, and to lose your center is a really tough loss. Everybody's beat up. Alabama's walking wounded. But Georgia is a tough, tough out.

00:33:05
Speaker 6: They're hard to kill, as they like to say, and being hard to kill is really priceless in the postseason. I mean, they're just like an NFL team. You can call them like the Chiefs right that.

00:33:15
Speaker 13: It doesn't matter the regular you get them in that bracket and shit, you don't want to play them, and nobody wants to play Georgia.

00:33:22
Speaker 6: I mean, they're a tough out. Are they going to overwhelm you offensively?

00:33:26
Speaker 2: No?

00:33:27
Speaker 6: Are they going to allow you allow three points a game? On defense? No, They've been a little bit more vulnerable, especially early in games.

00:33:34
Speaker 13: But the way they're playing defense now, the way they played against Georgia Tech, I don't expect a scoring infest against Alabama. George is going to be hard to beat and it'll be interesting to see where they, you know, get match up. But I know no one wants to see them opposite your team in the bracket.

00:33:52
Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you. State's fired up, now, come on, this is the biggest time of the year. This when you got to perform.

00:33:57
Speaker 6: Chris, do I not look fired up today?

00:34:01
Speaker 2: You do you do. But but but what, no, no, did you get a lift in today?

00:34:10
Speaker 6: You know I didn't get it. I didn't get a cold plunge in.

00:34:12
Speaker 13: I did three minutes of thirty eight degrees in the backyard, but we got the landscape.

00:34:16
Speaker 6: I can't get out there yet. But once the col we'll get a lift. I don't know. I'm sorry.

00:34:21
Speaker 2: I didn't.

00:34:22
Speaker 6: You didn't you didn't felt I was fired up, But I'm fired up. Don't give you.

00:34:24
Speaker 2: I don't know. Every day is super Bowl for me. I mean, I'm on my deathbed here. I mean, I'm barely able to talk. But uh, I mean you know this, you know you.

00:34:34
Speaker 6: You play hurt. I will, I will.

00:34:35
Speaker 13: I have a nobody cares if I have knee surgery on Monday, So I'll get through that.

00:34:40
Speaker 6: I'll be at the highestman. You gotta do what you gotta do, and you're You're a great example of that.

00:34:43
Speaker 2: So I'll talk to you.

00:34:50
Speaker 6: A great health.

00:34:50
Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris. That's Chris Fowler. He's tough. He'll be on the call for the SEC title game coming up this weekend. I think I had should surgery and came in. I did that Friday, came in Monday. I mean just saying colon Osca Bey Sports Hernia did that came back the next day. So we're gonna run down the resume hashtag warrior, Yes, Paul.

00:35:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think that Foller would schedule the surgery for the offseason, a nice March surgery between tennis events. But no, that's a warrior or two. Okay, I appreciate that every day. Super Bowl. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back after this. More phone calls as well. Also the Hall of Fame class the finalists are revealed, and we'll have that for you coming up right after this.

00:35:39
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00:35:51
Speaker 2: I mentioned this every time I have Chris Foller on. I think he's great at what he does, whether it's calling college football, calling tennis, he's great. Always been a professional since I've known him, and I think we get caught up sometimes where do you have a signature call? And he does it. He was never a gimmick catchphrase guy. He just does his job, you know, like Sean McDonough. They just do their job, and they do it at a really, really high level. All right. Among the finalists for the Hall of Fame, Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft. Other finalists in the seniors category Ken Anderson, former Bengal quarterback who should be in the Hall of Fame. Roger Craig should be in the Hall of Fame.

00:36:34
Speaker 10: L C.

00:36:35
Speaker 2: Greenwood part of the Steel Curtain. A maximum of three from the five person group can be elected to the Hall of Fame this year. Now, is that the senior category that we're talking about, Paulie.

00:36:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a bit separate from the normal thing like Eli Manning or Philip Rivers and guys like this. This is a different category, and a Mac one has to go in, a Mac three can go in.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: Okay, But why aren't Robert Krafft and Bill Belichick part of the regular Hall of Fame activities.

00:37:08
Speaker 6: I don't know.

00:37:08
Speaker 5: I think this is just separate from the traditional players who hit the five year mark. Okay, else Greenwood, by the way, with the Steelers, I looked it up. Six Pro Bowls in the seventies and he was on the Hall of Fame All seventies team.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got overshadowed because there are quite a few great defensive players, linebackers, defensive backs, and of course mean Joe Green. But Kenny Anderson was a great player for a bad team, and just him getting recognized is I mean, I'm happy for that, but I've been saying that Kenny Anderson to me is a Hall of Famer. Evan in Oregon, Hi, Evan, what's on your mind today? Thank you? Evan. Paulie wants to play a fill in the blank. I guess we have a coaching hire that just happened.

00:37:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, here it is to Pete Dammel of ESPN Ohio State offensive corder to Brian Hartline is expected to be the next head coach at blank blank.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: Penn State, Nope, South Florida US F your bulls. Okay, that's the Penn State of Florida. Yes, Penn State of the South. I mean you are technically correct. I kind of was, yes, yes, okay, all right, Well I thought he was going to get an opportunity, all right, Good for him. They'll get good wide receivers there.

00:38:43
Speaker 11: Uh.

00:38:44
Speaker 2: Brett in California, Hi, Brett, what's on your mind?

00:38:48
Speaker 14: No, I've been thinking about this lane Kippen things. I had a friend call me a couple of weeks ago. He said, I want to quit my job. I don't want to give two weeks notice. I feel bad about it. And I said, is this the same job where they laid people off and they showed up at work and they locked him out of the office and said that they could go fIF fifteen minutes at their desk and then take their things and leave. He said, yeah, I said, these guys don't know you anything. You know, they don't respect you. And you look at somebody like James Franklin, he's almost, you know, one step away from a national championship game, and then he's out the door. So is the situation great? No, But if you're in a situation where they can ask you to leave at any moment, then you should be able to do the same.

00:39:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. But they also get a big payday. They get paid their contract. When you leave your job, you don't get paid. It's like you get two weeks, maybe you get severings. James Franklin got paid, Brian Kelly got paid. These guys don't feel sorry for them, they get paid. Would you update the poll results?

00:39:58
Speaker 12: There?

00:39:58
Speaker 2: Seatan Yeah, we got a couple of them up.

00:40:01
Speaker 7: There, Old please, Old please, Old please. If you were on the college football playoff committee, which Russian now, would be most important whilst ranking teams, the team's resume, their chance to win, or team's good for ratings. Right now, team good for ratings has three point one percent of the vote. Almost the team's resume is just absolutely crushing on that one. And then are you comfortable with the current college football ranking system? Seventy three percent of the audience say.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: No, okay, I'm okay with it. Do I like it?

00:40:39
Speaker 6: No?

00:40:39
Speaker 2: But do I We've made a lot of progress here in the last fifteen years. Yeah.

00:40:45
Speaker 7: See, it's like college football has this element of like gymnastics in it or I have ice skating or something where there's sort of you know, in that there's the technical ability, but then there's also the artistic merit. College football you have to win with a certain amount of artistry. You have to have the right wins at the right time.

00:41:03
Speaker 2: To satisfy the right people, the judges. Well, you have artistry, you have all of that, but you also have who won in lost as well that you throw in to the equation there. We'll talk some more football and he must win Thursday Night for the Cowboys and the Lions.