Club 520 - Gilbert Arenas on CHANGING THE GAME, playing Jeff Teague, getting a BAG at Arizona

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How you what? Nasty, cool and nasty. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.560 Let's get to it, Ethic Gates are right, my dog young, 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.800 not y'all, young tig, How you what? I'm chilling bro 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.759 y'all know this is a special episode for me man 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.399 or number zero because of this guy. So I'm right, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.040 it's a huge genre to have him on the show. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.120 We all been trapping by the Doublus this weekend, so 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:50.760 sting to it. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:51.760 Yeah, for sure. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.280 Defeats we left them at the career. We out here 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.520 getting to it. Yeah, boy, it's crazy, it's for real, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:55.840 for real. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.560 Like me and him early on got really cool because 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.400 we shared a common theme, you know, saying I don't 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.360 know if you know this, but like this is like 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:04.680 you're his favorite player. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.160 He wasn't about him wearing zero coup that was no podcast. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:08.920 That's really ship. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.680 Yeah, and I want a lot of money playing with 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.560 the whistle to k So you was definitely my favorite player. 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:15.160 He was locked in. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.600 But if you know who this is, look, man Abachi, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.760 the man who got it cracking pioneer hoops in the 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.799 NBA or style of play. They couldn't do like he did. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.240 Gilbert Reader some gills and we appreciate you put out 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.480 the five twenty big Dogs. Man, appreciate appreciate it been 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:30.960 wait on this episode we had. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.680 This man, why she have been doing your thing? Man? 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.280 Appreciate it. 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.080 I wanted to kick off though with a question how 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:42.280 you feel about Michael Eley picking up making good? How 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:44.600 you feel about Michael Eley picking up begging good? 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:44.760 Bro? 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.079 Is that out of pocket or what if you see 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.359 the whole thing he did? Shake dudes, hands first, then 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:51.000 he went to me. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.600 Kind of made him un coming, you know, started looking 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:02.000 on his palm. You know, ain't got so he little 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.919 right and I'm a doctor, like he was about to 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.760 pull out the musket. Was dress like ship dressed like. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.200 Unless we always tart to show up talking to heat 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.959 And what better person talk to you? Because listen, you 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.720 was a pioneer of the full game going crazy endgame. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.799 And also I used to follow you back on their 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.880 Instagram back when you was giving away the jerseys and 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.840 shoes and the old career man, how was it like 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.120 having your own signature shoes starting off and then you 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.240 just playing in like crazy shit? 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.240 You know it when it came to signature shoes, you know, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.840 it's always the hooper's dream to get their signature, right, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.520 So when when it came to me with the idea, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.920 like I wanted to be fully involved, right, and I'm like, yo, 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.480 I wear low tops. I don't wear real basketball shoes 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.080 like that and more lifestyle. I was wearing air Max 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.160 ninety fives in games, right, so everything was low tops. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:00.760 So I was like, you know, want to design it 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:05.520 for more for you know, chilling like Jordan's people didn't 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.560 playing Jordan's right, people didn't playing Michael Jordan shoes. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.520 They wore around. So that's how I wanted my shoe 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:11.720 to be. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.680 When that first one launch and everybody loved it, it 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:17.800 was like, man, I was already trying to figure out 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.640 what we're gonna do with you know, part two. So 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.560 you know when that gun situation happened, they took that 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.359 motherfucker from me. Sit all the shoes I've ever had, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.440 I just unleashed them, right because you know, even though 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:32.200 I didn't I couldn't wear Jordan's and stuff like that, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.839 I always collected shoes. So uh, you know when I 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.640 got down to Orlando, it's like, I just wear every 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:39.160 shoe that. 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.760 Was putting was going crazy. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.680 All the Pennies, yeah yeah, yeah, this man Penny was 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:48.320 my favorite player. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.119 So and also you're playing in the air Max Plus, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.000 was like, I know, the dgs get a lot of 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.000 like you played the air Max Plus. If you don't 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.800 know what that shoe that is one of these stiffest 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.600 shoes that does not have any group give waiting that 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.480 shoe for it back now for you the killer that 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:02.960 shoe you. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:03.520 Was different, bro. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.200 The only thing the only problem was when when you 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.880 like turning the corner in that bubble, hit that wood. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:16.080 You're getting the slide for sure, for sure. My first 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.640 time playing against you, it was after the dun stuff. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.279 You came back with John wallrookie year. You wasn't wearing 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:23.000 zero no more. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:24.520 That was where nine. I was hurt. 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.440 Before the game. I'm like they like everybody knew, like baby, 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.320 and I'm like, are you about to play gil? What 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.640 you gonna do when you get out there? You're gonna 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.839 be a fan. I'm like, hell no, I'm asking for 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.599 a jersey. So I walked out there. You had nine 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.560 on them like, no, I don't want to know. I 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.560 don't want to know, bro, I want to know. I 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.920 was like, I ain't right. I'm like, I'm on the bench. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:46.839 I'm at the end of the bench. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.760 Why ain't wearing zero. He's like he putting that all 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.080 the way. He don't want to do that no more. 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.760 I'm like he tripping. I always hurt. I was like, man, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:57.320 I asking me for shit. I got in. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.440 Was my second year. I got in the game and 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.680 I walked up to you and I was like yeah. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.480 He was like I got him. I got him because 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:04.400 Jamal was on our teams. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.680 I got him. I got him. I was like a ship. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.600 He think he think I'm saying. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.200 Yeah, I got him. He was like, John, take Jamal, 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.160 I got him. I was like ship. I was like, 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.799 I ain't saying nothing. The rest of the game. 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.200 Is the way these needs work. You just got in. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:20.520 Man. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.360 I figured he was to get shooting like that. Man, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.760 Jamal was on the court that green lay like that. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.400 I got him. I got him. I'll never forget that. Man. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.520 It's crazy, Man, what y'all doing over Gills Ren and 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.760 Man shout out to the crew changing the game. Man, Like, 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.719 I know we do a podcast, but it's like the point, y'all, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.160 y'all not a podcast anymore. Y'all whole entity, And like, 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.760 could you talk about the difference between like going from 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.400 doing the pod to basically like being streamers and like 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.040 how that's changed, like the reactionary stuff and how that's 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:53.320 evolved for you guys as a business. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:53.839 Yeah. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.240 So you know I started back in two thousand and 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:01.840 eight when eighteen, when it was podcast was more just 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:09.000 like like serious radio. You know, it was I heart right, 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.600 it was just a voice. It didn't have to face. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.280 And I'm like, man, I'm an NBA player, right, I'm 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.840 a I'm a I'm gonna get my followers by you 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.640 know me. So you know, I recorded it and then 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.800 put it out and then people started liking the idea. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:23.800 So back then I was getting paid off the audio 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.760 and the video, so I was putting the same ship 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:26.720 boom boom boom. 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:27.280 Right. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:31.120 I jumped out of it a few times because you know, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.200 Matt them came in and then they started with showtime, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.120 and then you know, they getting all the big guests. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.600 I'm ever gonna lie they getting a listen. I'm getting seedless. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:49.560 Man, damn, come on, man came in. So you know, 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.680 like sometimes you know, as athletes, we we we got 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:54.520 all the contact, but we don't want to. We don't 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.240 want to. Like I got Katie, but I don't want 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.680 to the motherfucker tell me. I got to hate the 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:09.480 nigga for no reasons. Trust So you know, I jumped 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.520 out of it, jumped back in, you know, and then 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.640 around like twenty twenty, what happened was. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:19.760 COVID hit. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.920 Everybody had to stop, so everybody had to go to 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:26.960 zoom and I said, oh, this is this is me 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.680 right now. So since everybody was room, I was watching 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.880 Peoples zoom and I'm like, that should look raggedy the 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.520 internet bad. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.600 That should look all goofy. So I'm gonna just keep 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.120 doing live. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.080 But since NBA players don't want to do it, I'm 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.640 gonna go to these high school kids, right, So I 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.320 went to all the top top high school kids because 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.640 they're gonna be willing to do it, and then from 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.560 there it just took off. Like this is when I 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:53.160 was with Fubo. I remember, so we did the finals. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.880 It was the Finals watch party. So we're sitting here 0:08:55.920 --> 0:09:00.360 and doing it right, looked at the numbers, Nick blow 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:07.480 out and just sitting there like man, when we just 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.520 when we do it just like ESPN, T and T styles, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.240 like about four or five of us, and then we 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.120 just talked to sports like they do, but long version 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.480 they do like thirty thirty seconds a topic and then 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:19.880 they move on. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.040 When we just do it like that. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.560 So when I got the concept down, I met Rashad 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.440 at twenty four hour Fitness. Nigga didn't talk to me 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.800 for like two months. Nigga just just walking around me, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.080 mugging and shit. Now you know how you got to 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.839 a nigga like like like a smile like, hey, man, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:36.400 how you do it? 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.520 Just walk around for no reason? Man? 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.000 And then I asked him, like what you doing, man? 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.760 You should podcast? So he came on an episode. Brandon 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.440 came on an episode. So when I was looking for 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.280 a crew, I look for the niggas that I just 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.360 finished struggling to right, And then that's how that, Like, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:52.960 I was like, I don't got no vision yet, man, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.520 I know what I'm thinking, but I don't know how 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:55.200 it's gonna look. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.000 Niggas like alright, I'm down shit. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.720 And that's why, like when we started getting bigger than 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.439 I got your fight, like nah, when I didn't have it, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.000 when I had just had a vision, no concept, these 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.679 news like I'm in, I'm in, let's go, and then 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.439 from there we just that's hard. 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:12.559 It ain't about it. It ain't about like. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.520 Our egos, right, it's we all got a job to 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.400 do and we just do it. 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.800 So you know, my fud call me bitch ass nigga 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.679 in the middle of the show. I don't give you 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.000 know what I mean, I don't kid, man, this is 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.720 this is this is what we do. It's like a 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.439 lot of room. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.880 Right yeah, listen, man, love the show. Y'all be going crazy, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.920 y'all talk be going all across. And what I like 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:39.720 about it is that you know what I'm saying with this, 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:41.439 with this space, that everybody you know what I'm saying, 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:42.520 has a voice, has an opinion. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.760 That everybody can get their own lane off. Y'all have cards. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.240 Like I said, with the stream and stuff, it's so 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.160 prevalent now, like y'all want to go to places when 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.440 something happened and like I need type of goods reno 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.280 or something happened like even with Joe sorrh like hipposts off. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:55.840 We're going live and are about this ship. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.120 I think that wave is gonna be with next, but 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.440 I don't think it's something that people can like. You 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.040 can't replicate that, So kudos to y'all for making that situation. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:04.360 Man. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.720 It's it's you know, everybody's so especially with timing right everybody, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:14.920 it's it's usually one two week episode, right and when 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.839 people talk about podcasts, that's the lane that's getting oversaturated, right, 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.960 the one two week right Right now, it's more about 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.120 putting as much information as you possibly can out right, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.880 Like you guys are in the stage where you're gonna 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.679 try to do like four or five shows bank them, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.520 so you ain't got to work for a while, right, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:37.480 you know, I've been there, right and right now on 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.880 YouTube there's only five live shows and I'm on three 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.440 of them. It's my personal one. It's Gills Arena and 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.559 then me with Shannon Sharp and O Show. But I'm 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.720 just a guess on there. Then you got Pat McAfee football, 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.680 and then you got Sheet and Tyler. So that's the 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.280 lane that everybody. But everybody's so scared because everybody want 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.360 to be safe, clean up. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.679 What they're doing. But for the most part, if you're 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:05.960 good at what you do, you're good at what you do. 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.040 So that's the. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:15.000 Lane you should jump into. Noted, Mike, ain't many that. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.120 Ain't nobody really getting that lane. And since you guys 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.120 don't really have guests like that, and you guys don't 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.400 have to thrive off guests to guess, just the bonus, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.480 so you can do every day like this and then 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.920 do your guests once a week and still so you 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.599 have your You're in both algorithms. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.800 Honestly, they hate when we have guests. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:33.320 They tell us what they want to guess, Like you 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.800 was in the top five question that, but like, yeah, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.320 that's cool, y'all get. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:42.040 Back to worry about this summer. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.840 Here he encourage you to shake things up and explore 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.600 new possibilities and partnership with some of their friends and family. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.520 Hennessy is putting their twists or some of your favorite cocktails, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:57.200 including the Margarita the Barry Mohito. 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And like to see the 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:34.319 league now like this is Taylor made for you. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.600 You probably with a average with like thirty two thirty 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.160 three easy. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.440 Yeah, especially with how I played, you know, it's it's 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.440 long ball. But I used to post up a lot. 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.800 I used to post up smaller guards and just io work. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.320 So the fact that all the bigs are now pulled 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.040 out to the three point line and they don't take 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.680 charges and shit like that, it's not crowded. I would 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.880 have been sitting there getting nine to ten free throws. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.240 Yeah, night man. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.840 It an'ty power forwards really that morning. So you really 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:05.000 ain't got no contest. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:06.679 Now there's no there's no contests. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.560 It's it's it was a point where when they changed 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.920 the rule by the time he got in, but back 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.360 then there was no just jump straight up right. So 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.600 what ended up happening. I used to head hunt right 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.040 if you was inside that key. I didn't go for 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.120 the lift. I just ran into you. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:24.520 I seen when you. I'm just running straight to you. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.240 If you win the lane. You've been talking about shock 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.600 Shaquille O'Neil and people like that, and you you got 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:29.360 caught in that lane. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.720 Fuck that layer. I'm running right into you right lay 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.880 up right here you right there. I'm going across the 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.240 lane hitting you to try to come back. Get your 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.760 ass oide of the game. I ain't gotta see no more, right, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.160 So looking at the game. Now, man, it's like, man, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:45.760 you with the hell. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:46.400 They're just like. 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.760 Now, I took that from you and use it in college. 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.800 It's the same thing in college. So my buddy Philip, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.360 he was the first person to show me. I didn't 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.880 watch NBA at all, and he had NBA TV and 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.480 he was like, bro, you gotta play like yeah with. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.360 The ring and I'm like, man, how you play? Yeah 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:04.680 NBA TV. We sat there. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.080 You know, the highlights go by every once in a while, 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.760 so we had to sit there and keep watching, keep watching. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.760 He was like he just drive to the basket hard 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.520 as hell, and I was like, yeah, I'm on that. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.600 And I just started playing like that, just drive to 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.680 the basket, jumping to people, and I go to the 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:19.760 free throw line in college. 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:20.920 And then we knew. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.240 I knew you already because Jackson Gardener was better than 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:24.000 you in high school. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.800 I think it was an interest for that one, because 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.200 we're getting right to that. I was hopeing y'all from that. 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.359 So like, we knew you from watching Jason and Arizona, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:40.720 so we like, I'm like. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.880 Yeah, he was nasty, wore zero. Why you wear zero? 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.240 And I just started following up trying to figure out 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:46.720 who he was, and then I started watching. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.200 Then I became a fan for real. That was my 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.040 that was my guy. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:50.440 Man. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.520 We used to uh, we used to battle. We used 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.400 like we had the same personality. We used to battle 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:01.520 football players, who faster, who had moment, who had the 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.480 better cars, like you know, like you know when you 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.480 get to college, and we used to have to uh 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.800 what was it Bobby Bobby Wade ended up making it 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.160 to the NFL, right, and that those used to be 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.160 our next door neighbors. And we just I get a radio, 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.600 He get a radio, right, Jason get a radio. They 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.120 get a radio, like we was just it was just 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.760 one of those things that you compete with. So but 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.280 I told Jason, man that you know and and a 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.560 cool you know, you have a little points out there. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.720 Man. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.000 It was a. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.560 Dog team, damn the best point guard in the country 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.400 in two thousand and man, for real. 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.000 So it made it pushed me to the two because 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.760 I was I was to my senior, but I was 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.440 a point guard right. So when I came in, I 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.280 remember my dad was like, uh, he was like, you're 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:55.200 going after Jason Gardner spot And I was like, nah, man, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.120 my roommate, and it was like, what the hell that means? 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.280 I was like, ship, it just give me the ball 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.400 the whole time. So if I beat the two and 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.680 we on teams, he just hear the ball the whole time. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.320 So me and Jace used to talk about that, right, 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.160 and then so when practice started, Uh, they's like, all right, Jay, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:14.000 you got the first pick. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.320 He's like, I got Gill. They was like, wait what 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.479 I got? You got? You got McDonald's all American. McDonald's 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.879 all American. McDonald's all American. He got me first. And 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.960 we used to run the table dout. I believed that's 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.840 how I mean it's Smith was it's just the point guard. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.560 I was like, shit, I ain't gonna be him. I'm 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.080 gonna play the too. Yeah, that's that's that's the league, man. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.920 Like you know, you gotta be you got to be 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.760 able to shift one to two one and have have 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.840 these different skills man in the last because you know, 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.080 going to college, going to the NBA, there's people that's 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.840 in your position already, right, So you got to find 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.320 and you know, you got to find what the team 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.240 needs at that moment in time until you get to 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:57.119 establish yourself. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.200 I gotta asked what today's inna be the highest player? 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.080 Now, what do you think the next wave will because 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.399 we've seen, you know what I'm saying, the game transition 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.600 to a lot of volume threes, and now we're starting 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.760 to see the big man having researchers, what do you 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.760 think might be the next wave in the NBA? 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.640 Bottom en, If you six five, you gotta be athletic 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.920 as shit. Other than that, it seems like six seven, 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.280 six eight is gonna be the new point guard for sure. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:25.840 Right. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.760 It just seems like, you know, especially with the overseas, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:32.919 like the overseas is not taken over. It's only one 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.160 two positions, the four and the five. Everybody's seven foot 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.360 in that position, and the fact that there's seven foot 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.120 they can shoot. The American bigs is far behind them, right, 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:43.840 So if you're going to go for a four or five, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.399 you gotta go look for an overseas guy because here, 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.560 you know from AAU, if you got any height over 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.960 the rest, you the center right if you're a big 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:55.640 so you know you're gonna be stuck down a little 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:59.159 all the way until you about seventeen eighteen right and 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.280 over there, and everybody guard skills but you know when 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 it comes to the guard play, they don't have the 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.159 foot speed, they don't have to athleticism. So you know 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.480 somebody like Luca sitting at sixteen, Yeah he has the advantage, But. 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.320 Who's the second best? Who's third best over there? You know? 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.800 Uh, you know Shade was chained trained as an American. 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.159 Then they don't have any shooting guards. They don't have 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.000 any small fords. That's dominain like that. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.960 So we got to. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.040 Them six seven point guards. You know what Luca is 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:31.920 is gonna be coming soon? 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.520 Speaking of six to seven point guard, your son, he 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:36.320 fit the molde. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.439 Yeah, he nasty. I ain't gonna like nasty. I'll be 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.560 watching his highlights. I seen him. I watch games like 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:49.320 he got a score mentality, leneag Man, that's straight from you. 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:51.120 I'm like, damn, I heard, I heard. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.000 I heard you tell stories about how y'all train six 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:55.880 hundred shots in the morning, things like that. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.600 Does he love it like that? Or they just like 0:19:58.640 --> 0:19:59.320 you pluck it? 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.080 You don't understand what the love is, right, you know, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:08.439 he's he's sitting there in that mode of you know, 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:14.080 I got my friends, my girlfriend, my family, school, and 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.679 he thinks all of it is on the same playing field. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.400 Like, nah, you're gonna have to sacrifice three the motherfucker. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:20.520 You know what I mean. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.160 Ain't no friends, ain't no girlfriends like. 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.720 That, you know, if you're trying to get to that level. Right, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.880 So you know, right now, he likes it a lot. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.880 And I'm telling like, you probably won't love it until 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:35.280 you make it to the NBA. Something happened, nigga, whoop 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.119 your ass out there. You see somebody working at a 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.600 level you've never seen before, and it changes how you 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.320 look at the game. Right, So, I don't expect you 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.880 to be in love with it right now. Just go 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:50.159 and try to you know, practice and just have the 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.520 good ass habits you know to make you good. 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.480 And as a high school coach, you know what I'm saying, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.280 You see a player like that, and as you see 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:00.000 the progressive stuff other kids two daughter going to college 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.080 going crazy as well, we see somebody like that at 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.359 high school just like you're good now and you're not 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.560 there yet. How does it like to see somebody that like, 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.919 it's not untamperatived, like you got another gear you can 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:09.919 get to you just don't even. 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.000 Know it yet. No, It's like it's like a blank campus. 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.080 It's like, bro, he's so talented, he got this and 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:16.680 got that, and it's just like if he gets this 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.240 or he works like this, there's nowhere nowhere, there's nowhere 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.240 we can say he can go. It's like Skoyt's some 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.960 limit or whatever. But like when I see him with 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.560 the height, the speed to handle the shot making, it's like, damn. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.480 Once he gets a little stronger and he get the game, 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.400 it's like ship, we're looking at the All Star. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:35.920 So you know how to get that fuck up there? 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:41.439 Yeah, he's gonna shoot like three people sitting there like 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:50.320 man zero telling you. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:59.680 A couple of times you said enough, Yeah that was 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.399 a And I tell a lot of parents. 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.320 I said, stop team and your kid. 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.639 If your kid got talent, stop doing that team up 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:09.720 ship hurt your children. 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.200 I said, high school is development for you. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:16.080 And your child ain't about winning fucking championship. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.040 Cause I was like, that's why you didn't see him 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.480 right to Sierra and yeah, like. 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.760 I've never seen a college coach come down and say, Yo, 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.479 how many high school championships you won? 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.879 How many AA championships you want? Oh you no, you 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:33.520 average forty? 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.800 I want you right, I got a bunch of people 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:37.800 that can pass ball to you and redoubt and stuff 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:39.960 like that. I'm not I'm not taking a whole scare 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.399 of game team. I'm looking for one or two people. 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:47.200 So I would rather you be instead of playing on 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.800 see your hand averaging ten. I rathery you be the 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.439 dude that get beat by forty but you had forty 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:53.520 because you going to. 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:55.479 You're going to be the one that says hold on, 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:56.359 hold on. 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.000 You agree with that, and you know that's why I'm 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.320 chiming in because Buffy all different. So I can talk 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.880 about this because me and him feel the same way 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.359 getting beat by forty and having forty. It Maybe that 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:13.280 shit is flowing in Cali and that's cool, but in Indiana, 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.240 bru it's gone. Coach is looking at you a little 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:16.760 bit different. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.560 Bro, All right now, think about it like this. Your 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:23.520 team is a bunch of five stars. 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.280 Yeah, and the dude that got nobody scored forty on 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.360 how it's just you had just to stop that motherfucker 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.239 right there. How we want forty. He's supposed to win 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:36.320 by forty. He didn't supposed to score forty on a 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.680 bunch of five starts. You're supposed to double him, trap him, 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.000 do whatever. So the fact that he scored forty, let 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.200 you know that he had to do it against all 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:45.639 five of you. 0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:49.840 So it's it's making him do everything right. Your your team. 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.680 Is going half assed because it's just better than everybody, 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.800 so they not really digging down. He has to rebound, 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.520 he has to try to block shots here, break your 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.080 full court press, right, So he has to rough his 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:05.240 engine so hard just to compete with you. That's that's development. 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.920 He has to rub his engine so hard to compete. 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.560 Now when he gets with a group, it's so much easier. 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.520 Nah, I get you. I understand where you coaching. Yeah, 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:16.120 you trying to win. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.840 Yeah, And that's why I'm gonna let the professionals speak 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.880 that up on the coach inside. 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:24.240 I get it you. 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:27.320 You you're trying to do like I'm talking about, just 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:29.440 as the parents trying to go to the next level. 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.560 I'm trying to figure out how to build the tiger. 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:38.120 Because it's easy for you to turn an aggressive person down. 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.000 If you haven't been aggressive, it's hard to turn you out, 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.600 that's right, Like like somebody like Brodnie James, Right, he's 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.840 been at Seer Canyon, playing with all these five stars 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:48.920 and you're like, yo, why you don't shoot enough. 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:50.280 He's never he's never did it. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.919 He's been passing, winning games, winning, taking full five shots 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.520 again and beating everybody by thirty. 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.760 He never had Do you think that mess with his ay? 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:01.400 You run him being that same type of way. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.920 Even we got the same team, Yeah, the same team, 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.160 the whole but you got the York Johnson, you got 0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:10.520 all these guys, you got the same group. So he 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.800 never had a team where it's like, Yo, you gotta go, 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:15.040 you gotta go out there and score for that the 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:15.680 hell out of you. 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:20.399 But playing double advocate like your kid, your son, he 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.520 has the talent to do that, Like you can see it. 0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:23.280 It jumps off the. 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.600 Screen, Like, Okay, if you put him in a place 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:27.480 for other five stars, he's still gonna shine as a 0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:27.920 five star. 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.360 It's some other kids, like they might be three. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:35.320 Stars when they go to a smaller school average forty 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.800 do everything. Then they go play with five stars or 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:39.960 other good players and they don't know how to adjust. 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.720 Yeah, yeah, that that happens. 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.879 It happens a lot, and we know of a situation 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.320 kind of like that, like the parents think they five 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:50.880 stars too. 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.480 That's yes, but it's like it's a bunch of kids 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:58.160 in Indy who went to school smaller schools and stuff, 0:25:58.160 --> 0:25:59.520 and then they get to college and it's like I 0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:01.199 don't know how to play with other good players. 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.040 And it's like that's a balance. 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.320 You got to still put that kid into a group 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:08.320 where like so like he plays by himself at this school, 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:09.920 then he plays on compon Magic. 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:13.080 He plays with cold thy right so and ship. 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:26.000 He's still even like yo just you you can tell 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:26.480 me fast. 0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:31.080 But but I I like that because I can you 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.760 can sit him down and say yo ad because if 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.159 you if that person is never at that level when. 0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.199 You need him to do it. He don't know what 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.400 it looks like. You don't know what hitting game winners 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.359 feel like. Right, even somebody like you know Cooper Flag, 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.119 Cooper Flag in the last two years probably never hit 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.479 a game winner, never been in a situation too, right, 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.480 They've been blowing everybody out. Team's been winning. You remember, 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.880 you have for sixteen thirteen this year. So he's never 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:04.679 really had takeover takeover, but he did, and he in 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:09.159 that ey b hold on gid run. He was bringing 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.240 them back from crazy. 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.879 They was down a few times, so he had a 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.560 willing back sixteen years. 0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:15.640 You know what I'm saying. That's why he's never coming 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.200 out party. He's never played. He never played seventeen year ever. 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.200 But right, so when the like, so when everybody else 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:26.600 is playing seventeens, he went down to sixteens. He's he's 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:27.800 I mean, he's dominant. 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:29.840 But what he's saying, what I'm saying is when it 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.800 comes to like putting him to them game winners, he's 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.800 never felt the pain of missing and of being a 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.720 disappointment to your team or uh, you know, getting the 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.000 ball stolen and like my son had to go through 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.960 all that, right, missing the lab and the rest of 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.080 the teammates like, oh man, now you got to bounce back, right, 0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:51.080 what you're gonna do tomorrow? 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:52.800 Right hitting the game winner? 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.359 Shit, you know, sitting there miscalculating the boy, steal it, 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.679 tie game, beat him at the buzzer. 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.600 Nigga, Damn, they're thrown up in the bathroom because you 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:01.720 let the whole school down. 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.800 How you're going, how you're gonna react tomorrow though, So 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.960 you get it. So if he had one year at 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:11.800 Mount Verb, Yeah, but what I'm saying is that you 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.600 still got to go through the fire. You can't go 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.080 to the NBA and then take your first game winner 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.720 lose man. You're gonna get ate up if you're not 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:22.360 built like that, right, Even like Kerry, Kerry wasn't a 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.040 game He didn't hit many game winners in the beginning 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.800 of two championships because it's blowing everybody else. So he 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.879 was sitting in the fourth quarter. So when Kevin Durant 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.760 got there, Kevin like, YO, give me that ball. They 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.480 haven't they was like, ship, we've never been in a 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:35.840 situation know who to get the ball to. 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.520 You gotta have some experience. You gotta have some experience. 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.040 And I y'all pros, bro, and I never go against y'all, 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.000 but this one, bro, he the best player in the country. 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:52.360 Sixteen No, no, the best player in the country. 0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.880 But you can see like because of the blowouts, he's 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:00.960 never been really really battle tested. Eight players all that 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.160 they franchise guys and they won't take the game winner 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:05.840 because they're scary. 0:29:06.720 --> 0:29:09.480 You know, I'm saying, you put it in your mindset 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:11.920 to be the guy. Guy like some guys is comfortable 0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:13.800 being number. 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:14.520 Two, you know. 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.200 So if you number two, a the NBA. Now you 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.600 get two hundred eighty million, that's crazy. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:28.920 Like some people cool would be a number two. So 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:32.120 Cooper flag number two string my book, hell of a 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:32.680 number two. 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:35.960 He's gonna be a franchise guy. 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.720 But you know you have to like like right now, 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.840 it's like he needs to be put in a situation 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.600 where he gets battled. 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:44.600 You don't want to go. 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:45.920 To the NBA and then you go to a locker 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.040 room and niggas don't like you anyway, and you do 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:48.560 something wrong. 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.760 You already know they're gonna jump down your back. If 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:52.040 you ain't you ain't been built. 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.360 The statement watch out, you're gonna you're gonna fall behind. 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:58.680 But you don't really get that until you and like 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.920 year three anyway, the watch out, watch out. 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.160 Yeah, like you're a rookie, it's already somebody there. You know, 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.760 somebody there is gonna tell you, hey, I got that. 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.840 And then when you're the franchise players a rookie, they 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:13.120 already hating on you. 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:20.680 You have you have been you Andrew I had speak 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:24.920 from us, had so it wouldn't watch out. 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.680 I know they was fighting with that. God damn, you 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:35.120 wanted to check. It was like, who're taking this last shot. 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.720 I'm like, Joe getting that, Bro. I can tell you 0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.280 about jo Jo that tell Jamal now, jam he shot 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.840 a couple of them. Yeah, you're gonna get the motherfuckers. 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.360 Up for sure. I'm like you sweing about it, Joe, Bro. 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.360 You out of pocket. Bro. I'm like, damn, Joe, you're 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:58.200 gonna loud. Come get the show. Get this show propertly. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.040 I got to ask why you're here. Man. See, we 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.680 got resurfaces injury's topic. You know what I'm saying. 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.280 We had a conversation on show about staff padding, and 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.400 people didn't like it. I saw yesterday was one of 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.680 the nastiest displays. I'm happy that that double double streak 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:19.200 ended because that was one of the craziest things I 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.760 have seen it a long time in basketball. 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:20.920 Man. 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.720 I understand that happens, but I'm so happy that streak 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:26.120 ended because there's no way we could glorify that that. 0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.760 Man, if it was that easy, everybody would have tried it. 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.480 She wasn't. She just couldn't make late the first time 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.920 lay up when you down twenty left the game, begets 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.880 the double double. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Listen, 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:53.520 listen listen, there's four people on shouts at Liberty. You 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:55.840 already got the record, you're trying to extend it. 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.920 There's gonna be situations where they might come down to 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.600 rebound to a miss, and you're gonna miss it. 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:04.160 To keep it going for sure, that's just it. You 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:04.520 know what I mean? 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:08.920 If I got twenty twenty trip of doubles, right doubles, 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:09.680 and I. 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.920 Need one with three seconds left. 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.560 I don't give what we have. I need this basket. 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:15.920 I'm going to get the basket. You can fight me after. 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:18.080 I know that streak is going. I ain't mad at it. 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.920 I wasn't mad at it, but I told you she 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.280 don't make don't make layups. So now you know she 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.800 getting her office rebound that do your thing. 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.560 Somebody gave her the best comparison that we ever had. 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.640 I ain't gonna say his name, but he said she 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:41.400 was Kenneth f Reed mm hmmm, And I said, I know, yeah, 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.280 that is a great comparison. 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:49.120 She's a she's a great rebounder. She's not very gifted offensively. 0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:54.000 That was her achilles heel. But this is going to 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:55.760 be the worst that we get to see of her. 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.360 But you know, It's just she's just a bound the defender. 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.560 Hell of a rebound killer. 0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:05.920 That's It's just funny though, because she's trying to get 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.400 that triple, I mean double double and next triple team 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.600 around the baseline with ten left in the game, they 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:11.280 are sixty. 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:14.960 That ship was funny. Bro haters, for sure. You don't 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:16.440 want that record bit like you want to get the 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:20.280 people that broke. That's like you're getting that rebound and 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.560 sucking up the park, like, oh yeah, they was hot 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:24.320 that man. I got a rebound. 0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.800 Bobby Porters needed one rebound to get like to hit 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.400 the parlay or whatever, and I grabbed it. Man, Milwaukee 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.360 was hot. It was cussing me out and I didn't 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:33.240 know what was going on. 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:35.840 The like what the fuck day? You don't even playing 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.320 out in the way to get a stab. I had 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:42.920 one rebound. 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:55.320 Somebody somebody probably have me points. I was the. 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:01.360 Man. That is crazy. Man. 0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.360 But also with that being said, with you know what 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.400 I'm saying, with that bit so prevalent now today's space 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.319 the sports game like that for you also, even going back, 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:10.920 how would you feel you would have did with n 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:11.800 Il Arizona. 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.839 I'm gonna be honest, man, I wasn't like that. I 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:20.040 wasn't him right. I mean I was the leader scorer 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:25.879 on the team. But I played with four uh all Americans, right, 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:30.200 so you know Jason Gardner, Richard bag right like they 0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:31.000 would have Jay. 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:31.600 Would have probably. 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.000 You know, I was more of a scavenger dog, right. 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.120 You know, I got n I l I was. I 0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.160 got my money. I was selling. I was selling autographed 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.879 balls they signed that signed, that sign break back into 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:45.200 the locker room, still all limb. 0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.400 Right. So I was getting this and I was getting 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:48.440 my money. I was doing well. 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:52.520 I wasn't starving at all. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.400 This When I got drafted, I said it. I got 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:56.200 driving a second round. 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:57.680 Other man, I took a paint cook come to the 0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.600 NBA man to college, said that again. 0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:09.480 I took him. Get in trouble. I've been tripping right now. 0:35:09.520 --> 0:35:12.960 I just spend all this money, want this sheep bass 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:18.400 chain and escalated when I saved money on the fake 0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:27.480 diamond qub, No, baby, how want. 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:34.239 You spend on cunia trying bands? Yeah? Big, it was 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:35.000 Christmas you. 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:40.080 Cause you're up that ship back then, right, Dip said 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.280 had the whole everything was coming all the way there 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.440 and everybody did their initials. So everybody ship was like 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:50.279 this big so that GJ just sitting there just yeah, 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:50.960 I made it. 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.440 I remember Brand telling me about that, called it the 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.320 ice age. You said he spent two hundred and fifty 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.239 thousand on the chain. Yeah, he said, you crazy as hell. 0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:09.080 No, that's nuts. Bro ten Grand looked just the same. Man. 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.080 One of my favorite things I don't know is obviously 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:13.640 going crazy, but the games I'll be playing. 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.960 The draft. That ship was fire man. I loved your 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.480 competitive league with that man. Brandon was pissed. 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:23.760 I need the team. Sorry, man, you need some shooting. 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.400 I'm gonna go get jeans Worthy. 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:41.879 You don't be going right shooting eight that was he said. 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:43.920 He said, that's right. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.760 You know what's funny like when when you talk about 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:50.239 the eighties and everybody getting mad, and then you ask 0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:54.319 them have you watched the game? They were like no, no, 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:56.560 you know what we got the internet now going go 0:36:56.640 --> 0:37:00.279 in and popping and pop in one of them eighties games, buddy, 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.880 the flex cut, the U c l A cut, the weave, 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:07.799 start basketball. 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:09.839 They don't know what's doing to your step back then 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:11.520 when they called travel on it. 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.479 When you were saying that when you was like Grant 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.040 Hill came in the league and he was doing right 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.720 to left crossovers. He's like, they've never seen that before. 0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.360 And I watched that tape and how bad he was crossing, 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.000 pipping and all them. I'm like, yeah, they might have 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:25.760 been spooky. 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:27.960 That's what man. Listen. 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.720 Even the hand check right, the hand check was great 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:38.680 because the guards didn't score right, they're coming down full 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.960 court with it back to the basket, right, so it's 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:42.319 easy to hold on to him. 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:42.719 Right. 0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:45.400 They didn't do that Isaiah Thomas because he was the 0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:49.080 scoring guard Tim Hardaway. They didn't do it to u 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:50.280 Kevin Johnson. 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:50.960 Right. 0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:52.719 When these guys came into the league and they're coming 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.239 to the basket, what was your hand chicken? Man, it 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.520 was still in Obviously you can't hand chick them up 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.839 with the stomach, so let me see, has a turn 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:00.840 for you to hold his side. So the fact that 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.759 everybody's going down heeled the hand check was irrelevant. All 0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.560 you doing is just trying to catch up. And then 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.359 you did this shit. You wasn't in the league yet, 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:11.680 where you driving? And then they just pushing it, just sitting. 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:12.480 They were still doing that. 0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.040 Yeah, they were still doing that baby started doing that 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.160 to me. In practice, he let me go. He pushed 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.840 me right and just sitting and you see the wall rep. 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.680 Yeah, yea. Then they couldn't move. They couldn't move left right. Man, 0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:31.120 the eighties eighties is the year olds today. Y'all don't 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:31.759 move very well. 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:39.120 Left right. I would have cut y'all because it's glorious. 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:45.160 It's we're talking about a time that it was the 0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:49.920 NBA seventy eight when the NBA merged, right, And they 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.239 don't like talking about it because it's dark ages like 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.080 big drug problems like it was. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.800 They had to tape delay everything, make sure everything was clean. 0:38:57.920 --> 0:38:59.040 But it was going through. 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.719 A real big problem in the eighties, right, just like 0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:04.200 the world was right. So now you have a bunch 0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.840 of NBA players just integrated. They got money, So what 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.120 do you then they're gonna do? Right, So when Magic 0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:13.960 and Bird came in, Magic was the NBA's I call 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.240 it the NBA because ABA and NBA when they put together, 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.560 it's that's the NBA one league. 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:18.799 Now. 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.000 Magic Johnson was their first baby. That was the baby 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:25.680 boy of the NBA nineteen years old. He was the 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.719 baby boy of the NBA BRD was twenty two when 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.560 he came in, right, So the first child of the 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:36.319 NBA was uh magic and they held they held the 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:41.600 NBA to get there, and then Jordan just polarized it. 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.200 So you know, that's why those three are iconic. So 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.839 when you talk about the eighties, they think you're talking 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.480 about them three, right, you know like when you say, man, 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.200 eighties suck and we got we got Magic Bird and 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.120 yeah we get it out and the rest of the 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.319 you always having two hundred and sixteen people draft all 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.120 the way up into Nasty Broa. 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.120 I heard somebody said I was drafting the seventh round 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:10.320 before damn. 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.399 That was all the way into eighty eighty seven. Eighty seven, 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.960 Michael Jordan was two hundred and sixteen people drafted with him. 0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:18.160 That's that's crazy. 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.920 A big guard too. He would have killed them away fast. 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:22.200 It was a bigger guard though. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:24.640 They play like you now, like if you had to 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.960 say somebody like put you on the motor yourself? 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:31.799 Who what you said? Probably MAXI? Okay, how he just 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:37.319 wants to come downhill real fast? Now that's a g fers. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.560 Like because it was TV then, like people don't want 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:42.440 to I said in the post, right, it was like 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:44.600 I did I did more post enough than I did 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.080 just it was either gonna post up the little guard, 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:48.759 then they have to put the big guard on me, 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:50.359 and then now I'm trying to do one full flat 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:50.520 and be. 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:51.120 The most drum. 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.840 And you had one thing that I've always seen that 0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:55.600 my dad coached, and he taught it to some of 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.640 our players on the team that like, you can shoot, 0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.440 he may not be as fast as quick if you 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.399 can step out a little bit in that three point line. 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:02.839 Now they got to guard you a little bit different. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.040 And you was like the pioneer that shit because your 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.319 three point threat was at the volleyball line, so you 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:08.439 got all the space in the world. 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.839 They couldn't do nothing with you. Yeah, So I seen 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:11.440 some report. 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.600 It was like some Synergy report, right, and then it 0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:15.680 had like I'm trying to get better, like where are 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.080 my flaws and what okay, this corner this and this, 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:20.480 and I'm like, you know, like it had this like 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.319 fifty six percent from here, and like what the fuck 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.200 is this? And it's like did the shot you took 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.640 from this is fifty six percent? So I'm sitting here 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.480 like three point line thirty eight back here and I'm like, 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.040 I'm sitting there like this doesn't even make no sense. 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.040 So then I'm coming to the spot trying. 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:40.600 To figure out like all right, Then I realized the 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.960 guard is sitting under the three point line waiting for me. 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.680 There's nobody guarding me here, right. If I'm shooting the three, 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.799 I'm getting contested here. There's no contests, right, So this 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:54.640 is an open shot. So I started training these shots 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:56.720 right here knowing that they're going to be open. Nobody's 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.600 going to be back there trying to play defense. Like 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.600 when I came in, everybod he went under because guards 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:02.960 didn't shoot behind the screen. 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:04.800 So that's what gave me the advantage. 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.880 Like, like, yo, I'm not Gary Payton, dog, don't you 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.920 know I don't like I don't I don't have a 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:12.640 big man to pull to pass the ball to. So 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.040 I'm gonna sit there and the big men come through it, 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.280 and you know, I fan out and then they double 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.759 got a swinging, swinging, swinging, and then the last person 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.200 that's got the ball, he can't shoot, right, because that's 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.000 usually put the worst shop all away on the other side, right, 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.000 And that's a nigga who got all the shots. 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:33.000 That guy go to the corner coming to me. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.400 When I did the first picking roll, big boom and 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:41.719 they switched out and I was like, oh ship, hey move. 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.120 I did one of those move move because like, what 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:45.680 are you doing? 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:47.800 I was like, I'm about to take him off the 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:51.600 dribble and I was like, what are you talking about? 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:54.080 Look who I have on me. You're gonna take him 0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:58.000 off the dribble. And I was like, son, maybe this 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.719 is why you don't play this game. Maybe this why 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.040 you got drafted thirty one year. I Q is low 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:07.400 and I'm like, what it's like you don't see the 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:13.000 guard the big man. Yeah, I've seen that, and you 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:17.960 don't think that's the past. So you want me to 0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:18.640 pass on the ball? 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:20.439 Him one. 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.799 We don't want no place for him anyway, But you 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.680 want me to pass in the ball. What's gonna happen? 0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:29.680 They're gonna double, We're gonna swing and swing it. Look 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.320 who's in the corner. We don't shoot? 0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:34.399 Right? Is that the play we want? 0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:34.839 Nah? 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:35.560 So you had? 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:40.080 So I ran it, boom, they swished it, threw it down, 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:49.520 Swiss swish with it, and I said break because it's like, 0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:50.960 you don't know our places and you don't know the 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:51.680 player person now. 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.759 Ye, So later on that date did the pick and 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:56.320 they switch out again. 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:06.719 Don't Yeah, I didn't play. I was all, there's no 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:10.880 more sat that I can tell you that throw it 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:11.640 to a downal foil. 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.160 Yeah you know who? 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:22.600 Donald Foyle, God damn right, my gud said, Hell, I'm 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:26.600 not doing it down at ship. 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.360 I see. I see the look on his face. Don't 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:30.640 got there was a look. 0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.799 It was just crazy because it was like like I'm 0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:38.560 sitting there like. 0:44:40.280 --> 0:44:43.600 Like we ain't never go to play for this morning. 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:47.160 This is what we're doing. 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.799 I'm glad he got fired because I would have never 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.240 got off the bench after that display. 0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:53.040 And you know what's so crazy. 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.160 We've been blessed to talk to some great pros in 0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:57.960 the last couple of weeks and just like mine set 0:44:58.000 --> 0:44:59.920 that you guys have obviously be in guards. I know 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.560 the game probably better than anybody, but it's like your 0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.719 own intuition has the cake, because yes, this coach is 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.040 professional and he's telling you what to do, but you're 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.160 just like, well, I'm telling you it's actually right, but 0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.040 this is now an ego battle. It has nothing to 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:12.680 do about what's going on the court. It's about a 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.040 mental or personal thing. How do you overcome that a 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:16.799 situation where you like, I know what the fuck I'm 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.399 doing is right, but now I got to really prove 0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.200 it to you or get lucky that you get fired 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:21.399 to get out the way I got to deal with. 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:25.239 It's it's on both sides, man, It's a give and take, right. 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:30.319 You know, we have two visions, right, you know, the 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:35.200 player has a two K vision, the coach has a 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:41.160 court side vision. So we're seeing different things, right, We 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:45.480 have two different views of it. So we both are 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.279 right and we both are wrong depending on what we're 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.719 looking at that time. So you might be saying, you know, 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.040 five down right, throw it to the big man, and 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.640 I'm watching the game, I'm seeing his menorism, like, nah, 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:57.239 that ain't it. 0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.479 He ain't got it today. Right. 0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:01.160 So the want to put me at the point is 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.240 you have to trust my instinct. 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:04.279 Right. 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.480 That's why you have me at the point, to trust 0:46:07.520 --> 0:46:11.719 my instinct, knowing that I'm gonna do more right than 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.759 I'm gonna do wrong. Right, So as a coach, you 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:21.000 have to give you have to give the freedom. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:21.080 Just to just so they can explore. 0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:24.719 So you know, like you know there's games where you 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.000 have to say, all right, I ain't coaching today. Let 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:28.920 me see what you got. You coach, you sub and 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:32.520 whoever you're gonna sub in. No, you gotta because you 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:34.759 see now you know why. 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:35.520 You know why. 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:39.520 You got to see how they think, right because you 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.839 know how you be subbing players in and niggas be like, yo, 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.839 I should be playing this, Oh you do all right, Look, hey, 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.200 I'm not gonna coach today. I'm just gonna be watching 0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:53.560 players coach themselves. And you try to get up practice. 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:57.080 You're trying to get up and like, nah, no you're not. 0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:58.759 You don't get in in the regular game. You ain't 0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:01.440 getting in today. They're gonna self checked themselves anyway. 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:03.120 Be one of them games. You know you're gonna win 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:06.360 by like forty. We don't got but he does that 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:10.560 mentality in practice some time practice. You gotta do that 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:17.000 in the game. Everybody, you got to you gotta read 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:17.279 the room. 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.919 You got one of those teams, got one of those teams. 0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.960 You're playing all hollanvel everything. You know. 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.239 Yeah, you see hardball, that's what I at right now. 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.359 They get to next up right now, harball. Every time 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:32.520 we plays like a top team in the state though. 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.319 So he always have like well always but the second year. 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.040 But he got a tough schedule usually at the school 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.760 we ad. I don't know if Elijah got up and down. 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:42.960 Maybe he got the blind or the deaf school and 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.920 then they got to place here or. 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:53.000 No, no, a little bit. So that's what I'm saying. 0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.759 Cali a little different when you and that for you 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:58.440 in that four A. But it ain't not really no 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.759 ducky he got a d one player every night. 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.640 Oh see. That's see the problem with with the Cali 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.640 schools is because everyone teamed up, right, you're going to 0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:13.240 have seven five stars on one team. 0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.319 These schools might not have nothing. You're gonna got four 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:19.200 on that side. So then see Racans in the division 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:24.160 where most of the teams ain't got no black players, right, 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:25.920 so for the most part, they're trying to duck and 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:28.839 forward anyway because it's like we're not equipped to play. 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.359 You guys, y'all not even supposed to be in the league, right, 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:34.080 you know, y'all done suit the teams up. 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:35.000 Y'all can't be in this. 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.399 Regular athlete they're supposed to be on that mount verse. Yeah, 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:41.120 they schedule. Yeah, so yeah, bro, don't have that luxury. 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:43.879 He ain't got an NBA player every time like when 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.160 he was playing in high school. But he definitely for 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.640 sure most like is playing the D one player on 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:49.560 the other end, for sure. 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.440 When I was in high school, it's the NBA player 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.359 every school. Yeah, section, yeah, section, That's why I say 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.600 you're trying to slight in the end. Eric and g 0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.279 Hill went to school with him. I had Coordney on 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:00.799 my team. 0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:05.680 Robert we had Robert Vayn and right Mike Josh McRoberts. 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:11.520 We can go crazy that more than what section crazy one. 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:12.760 Yeah. 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.000 So if you got lucky enough to beat George Josh 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:19.840 mc roberts and you got to get Mike Conley, see that. 0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.239 L A is so spread. Yeah yeah, l A so 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.919 spread where you don't really you can't. Yeah, it ain't 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.040 really like that. There's so many divisions though. It ain't 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:29.760 just crazy. 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.160 We just got four a well we got one day, 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:33.560 but don't nobody really played that. 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:36.440 But still even with those for the NBA players, he 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:38.839 still played with D one Cowboy players on his team, 0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:40.439 colling them. 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:44.120 Still they said, like eight players. 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.680 Yeah, bro, so it's different now, in had different it's 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:50.760 basketball for real, even like it's a hood school called Arlington, 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:52.880 ain't the school no more. They had a dude like 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.360 Deontay vnent to Cincinnati. They beat Greg Olden and Mike Colley. 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.920 They lost of the year. Yeah they only lost it 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:00.319 the year but he them. 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.240 Yeah, like they was ranked twentieth in the country. 0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:14.399 Yeah, okay, okay, so okay, it's cool. 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:15.319 You know what. 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:20.680 Now using to me already when we I did ball up, 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.080 ball Up, my dad was running the too, that's what running. 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:29.000 And then we went to indyed not going like yeah 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.120 we had an indie team. Yeah, it was jumping motherfuckers out. 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.400 It was like, yeah, they can get it here. Then 0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:38.560 Michica I was like, yeah, y'all got some bouncies. 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.239 See nap is one of the places that you'll go 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:41.920 to open gym. 0:50:42.000 --> 0:50:43.879 It's a round nigga who just drank the fifth about 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.320 to come hoop, but he probably had d one talent 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:49.600 and his But just basketball in Indianapolis especially just mean 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:52.120 too much. Like the open gyms in the city be 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:53.759 different than most places. You're going there with d on 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:55.400 level tal that's got off there. 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:59.760 Eight our shift, y'all got top heavy players in Cali 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.719 like you Russ Big, I got a lot of all stars. 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.360 To for sure, pop piers like we don't. But even that, 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.759 that's still spread out though, because like you know, you 0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:11.800 got you have the l A schools you get, so 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:15.080 you got City section, Southern Section. They don't play each other. 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.520 So for the most part, like unless you schedule it, 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:21.719 like Jason Crow Junior and my son, they would never 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:22.480 see each other. 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.640 But because they both led, so Jason. 0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.960 Crow Junior as a freshman led the country or ed 0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.600 CALLI and scoring my son was number two, everybody's like, 0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:33.360 we want to see them play against each other, so 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:36.279 now we have to section each other. But their team 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.759 is better than my son's team right there, even though 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.320 in their section they suck like shit, right, It's just 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:44.759 it's all divisions, you know, it's all divisions, so it's 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:47.279 all spread out, so it's hard for Yeah, that's tough. 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.240 Like even though you know, my son him playing against 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:52.040 Sierra kan and everybody's like, oh, he needs to be 0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:56.600 in this. It's like he does the rest of the 0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.320 team they won't even make the C squad at your school. 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.680 Yeah, they can't even dribble. They they better not take the. 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.040 Ball out, you know what I mean, Like that over 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:09.800 there where like more than rebound, like Martin and Rebound. 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.399 You got one of them teams over there. Your team 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.200 couldn't they couldn't come to Indiana. 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:20.799 To the state the state, Like if it's an Indy, 0:52:20.840 --> 0:52:22.920 he's just gonna go to one of those those schools. 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:24.799 You're not gonna be on the bottom feeding he come 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:25.120 to bike. 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:29.520 Yeah he care taking that for sure, but yeah you could. 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.960 It ain't no schools like that. There's no sad schools. 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:36.120 And then for yeah, like we get beat by him 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.160 the Southeastern or like Fishers, they got the best they 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:40.120 want state and it's. 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:40.799 All white dudes. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.160 Yeah, and you like we're about to go playing, you're like, man, 0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.640 about to kill them. They start hooping you like a ship. Yeah, 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:51.799 they play like cutting like Yo State, but they wasn't 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.320 holding the bush and they were scoring. 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:54.920 Like one hundred points eighty five points. 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:56.840 But his son got the luxury to it being trained 0:52:56.880 --> 0:53:00.319 by him too, So that's kind of yeah, it make 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:01.239 a difference for sure. 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:06.839 Sure. Man. Listen, this has been a wonderful time for us. Gil. 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:08.840 We've been waiting for this episode. 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.359 We appreciate you Blankings man, Presidence Man, this great man 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.359 be here before we get out of here, telling people 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.040 that can buy some merchat shop. 0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.759 Club five twenty dot com, Baby, you know what it is. 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.319 Club five twenty gils Arena. We appreciate this happening. 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