Exclusive: Clare and Dale Interview

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Speaker 1: Becca, we are back and listen. But I'm going to give a disclaimer out here for you guys, because it's election day right now as we're recording this podcast. Because as we know you guys, you guys aren't stupid, and we're not going to take advantage of that. You know that sometimes we record these episodes in advance, and this is the moment and it is election day. So Becca and I are drinking. So if things get a little loose, we apologize, but we just want to set the tone of what this podcast is, so we apologize in advance. If we seem a little distracted, we are, but we're not because we're obviously really really excited about what it is that we're covering today. So why you ask are we so excited? Why you ask? May there be an election day and we are still excited to talk on this podcast? It is because we are going to get to talk. We are going to get to talk to maybe the most talked about bachelorette, the most talked about couple we've ever had in bastur Nation. And because there are so many questions that we have, we're going to skip a recap. Why recap this at this point? We want to get down to the nitty gritty. We want to understand certain things and we want to ask questions. So we're going to sit down with the newly engaged couple, Claire and Dell, Claire and Dale. For all the people who are so upset at the way that I say his name, I apologize for my Southern accents. Sometimes I say deal, but you know who it is that I'm talking about. So I've given you a pronunciation for both of both of my audiences, some who don't mind how I say it and some who do. But Becca, how are you feeling about all this? Because there's so much to get into, Rachel, I am feeling so many different emotions right now. I mean to your earlier point, Yes, it is elections night. I have not drunk in a month, so I'm treating myself tonight because i feel like I'm going to need it. And while tensions are high there, I'm so excited that we can still record today and have like this nice, happy outlet to just have a nice chat with, as you said, the newly engaged couple. And it sounds crazy to say this because it was the probably the very quiet gest engagement the show is this franchise has ever seen. So I'm so excited to have them on and talk about their special engagement, to have the opportunity to talk to them just hours after this news broke. We are the very first podcast, were the first people to have them on, to talk to them, to pick their brains, so you know, we're giving you guys the exclusive. So it feels like Christmas came early and we usually obviously have to wait much longer, but we have them on. So what a gift it is to have them on, to be able to have them dish give us all the dirty details, but also like just really embrace the love that we've seen in the short amount of time. So I can't wait to have them on a chat with them and two finally cheers to them, So let's get going exactly. Yeah, we're not going to even do like all the talk and stuff before. I think you guys know we talked to Claire twice on this podcast already, and dare I say it three times? Is charmed because the third time we get the happy couple together, and you if you followed Claire's journey even specifically just with this podcast, you know exactly what Claire's about who she is and what she wants and what she was going after, and she didn't hold that back at all. Whether the viewers liked it or not, Claire followed her heart, she followed her own path, and she broke the rules, and we are here to say we freaking loved every single bit of it. That she did what was best for Claire and at the end of the day, she can say that she's happy. And we know that you guys have watched a couple of journeys these last this last year, and maybe things didn't turn out the traditional way, and even with Claire, things haven't been traditional in the way they panned out, but you got the traditional happy ending. And we are going to ask them all the questions about how they're doing, where they stand, and how things came about the way they did, and what's to come season and what's to come the best guys, what's to come for these two and so Rachel, we obviously have to talk to them about what's to come because our listeners, you obviously dm us, you comment on our photos all the time, We hear you, we see you. We're going to incorporate a lot of those questions and answers today. So I know you guys don't want to just keep listening to Rache and I speak, so we're going to just bring them on right away, skip the recap and get it straight from the horse's mouth. Yeah, let's go, like, like, what do they say? What does the young kids say, let's do this straight? Okay, okay? What is it that let's do the damn thing? Is that what? Listen, Let's let's get straight to this, whether it's let's do the damn thing or as the kids say, let's do this straight. No chaser, you guys. Let's bring on Claire and Dale. All right, let's get into it. Mecca, Claire Dale, are you ready? I just have to tell you though, I would not have this any other way than to start off our our engagement with you guys have being our very first interview. Like I began with you guys, and now we're ending with you guys as our first interview. So like, this is making me so happy. Full circle now to what's in I might start crying. Wait, oh, welcome, welcome to the jurse. We have to start this before we even do anything. Rachel, if you will raise your glass with me to the happy couple because you guys are finally official. It's nice. We are in love, We're happy. Congrats to you guys, Thank you, thank you, say you guys know, it's so weird having to like it's almost like a third dimension of having to be on the down low and to be secretive and everything, and then to finally be out. It's like, oh, thank goodness, we can have normal life can begin? Do you feel like you can totally breathe now? Almost almost there? But it's honestly been We've been living our lives in this entire time already, so I think that anything, we've just been anxious to be able to share our love with everybody. But we're really blessed with how this turned out. I mean, it's creeping into like today we went house shopping here in Sacramento and searching, yes, searching. It's just it's becoming more and more regular life for us, which is good. Oh my gosh, Brian, I are an even house shopping you guys, this and so you have already without even knowing, kind of dispelled one of the rumors that are out there, because there's a rumor out there that you guys are already married, but you're still saying engagement and you're calling each other Beyonce because it's honestly, there are so many rumors out there since day one. Yeah that I mean, he's my fiance, right, you're still together. Yeah, and that's what's important and that's what matters. And if you, guys, if you're listening to this, you also should be watching this because they are glowing. They look so happy. These are two gorgeous, beautiful people. It's slightly annoying, right, Becca, Like look at them. I'm low key a little bit jealous, like I miss having that partnership, but I'm so incredibly happy for you, guys, like, thank you so much, thank you. It gets just so much better once the cameras are out and it can just be real life you too, Like truly getting to know each other in your daily lives. That's a thousand times more meaningful. And so I hope, like Rachel, like with the rumors, like that they're married, it's like, enjoy these days, like enjoy being able to call each other your fiance and just truly soak it in because it goes by so quickly. Yeah, well yeah, I'm sure, I really, it really does I think so, but it's I don't know, it's it's unreal. It's still like, oh my god, he's my fiance. I I love saying it's still but I think this is definitely the time where we know, this is the best time we got to really share that. So just from the beginning though, it's it's not uncomfortable for us to go looking at houses like we're in this to build a future and build a life. So um, and that's what he's what I think too, We're doing everybody always like the people who do know about us, you know, are like, is he? When they asked me about him, they're like, is he? I think it's a spear. Like you go in and you see one person on camera and then you get off camera and you're like, I think it's the same person. And I always told people he's not the same person that you see on camera. He's even better, yea even more of everything that I wanted, even in the little little things day to day. I'm just like, is it. I don't for one second I have a doubt in my brain, Like I'm so glad it's him. That's how it should be. Um, I would agree with you same thing with Brian. I felt like, I remember thinking you're you're engaged, and you're like, oh shit, I'm engaged, and then you spend those next few hours and you're like, oh my gosh, this is even better than I thought. I knew, I trusted my gut in my heart, and I made the right decision, and it's so it's so great to hear that that's exactly how you feel. And what I liked about this episode with the two of you is I felt like, like Claire, people have been ridiculously hard on you, and what I've I'm gonna trying to go on a soapbox, but because you know, I get real defensive over you. But what what I've also noticed is that people these days are so comfortable being mean. Yeah, I'm nasty, and they thrive off that and they feed on that, and it's really disgusting to watch and see it happen. And in this episode where we see you, we finally understand the meaning behind the words congratulations, you've blown up the bats arette. We see what happens with you and Dell, we see you leave them in, we see you guys get engaged, and we see you go off to live happily ever after. I think what was so key is that first day, the first one on one the two of you have with one another, and the way you guys connect and the things you have in common that you didn't even realize, and so it solidifies that feeling that you felt with one another because you also have so many other things in common. So I just we want to break all of this down. But I hope that people watching it are like, Okay, you know what, I was wrong and I jumped the gun, and that they were feeling, they trusted it and they took a risk and it is has been extremely rewarding for them, And I really hope people change their tune. Not that you have to please everyone, not that this is what it's about, but that people will have a little bit more of an understanding as to why you two fell so quickly for one another and why it's real and it's right. So let's get into it. Let's get into it. And I'm ready, like asked me, the tough stuff, a hard set any we will, I'm here for it because I agree wholeheartedly, Rachel, with what you're saying. This has been like I've been a part of the franchise for almost seven years and still like as stick of skin like as anybody can have. With all the hate that's going on, with all the negativity that's spoken about this, Like I really I get that I am not for everybody. I get that everybody might not do what I did or agree with what I'm doing. But at the end of the day, this is all for love and to be sitting here just feeling that feeling of love at first sight. Granted it's not the norm, it's not what people are expecting or what people are used to, But how can you predict something like that. There's no way to predict it, And I think honoring yourself, honoring your truth. I don't comprehend with all the negativity, like how people can take that any other way than something that's beautiful to me. And even I don't know. I try to rationalize all the hate too. In my brain. I'm like, I know that it's a different type of year. It's COVID, it's the elections, Like there's a lot of high stress things going on and people need this outlet, I guess, And we're an easy target this relationship to easily point figures and judge it's easy to just spew your hate on something from the inside to get it out. But I think I really do help people take a step back when they see this and watch it to know that this is just stemming out of like pure love. Yeah, and I mean, whatever happened to get us to this point, even even though a lot of this has been you know, overwhelming at times, just from just even having to see and deal with some of the things. Like Claire, just like on the show, has handled everything with such class and elegance. But like, whatever happened, it's got us together here right now, and we committed from the beginning and we both felt it. You could see it from episode one and then after this last one. You know it's undeniable. So whatever whatever had to happen so we could be here together, it's all worth it. Yeah, I will say, Claire, you just said you try to rationalize that hate and like how mean people can be, You're never going to be able to like that's like blows It's it's unfathomable, and it's so sad that people think this way because like your relationship is true stemming from the most pure place, Like you guys are just simply two people that fell in love. And everyone's journey looks different. Some people's it's sped up and that's okay, and some takes a little bit longer. But at the end of the day, like truly, all that matters is that you two have each other and have each other's backs and that support system. And Rachel and I say this all the time, Vatch Nation, like our minds are fleeting, something else is going to happen in one week to take their minds off of you two. And so I truly hope that people just back off and let you be like in love, be this happy couple, because you guys deserve that. But Dale, one thing that you said, um, was just the connection that you guys have. So I want to take it back tonight one because obviously we saw you step out of that limo and it was like done. So for Claire, she said, like, I think I just met my husband. Um so what was it? Pressure? Yeah, no pressure at all, But you like, what was it? What was it instantly that drew you into Claire? I honestly just felt safe and secure and I just trusted her. I couldn't even put my finger on it right away. But I just I knew that she you know, she she had me. I just felt unbelievably comfortable just sharing and opening up to her. And I think that's the biggest thing that's difficult in any relationship or any times, just putting yourself out there. But I never ever once questioned it. And I remember before I got there, I was riding with my dad and I was like, you think she's gonna like me, and He's like, you know, when your souls, when your souls connect, there's there's nothing that will keep you apart if it's meant to happen, And that's exactly what happened on the first night. Um, it was powerful. It was amazing. I think that's what was so powerful about the one on one day that you had and you're sharing the story about your parents and their own love, and then to see what was happening in front of us with the love that the two of you have with one another, it was like, okay, you guys, like this is Serendipit's like if you don't believe in that word, you gotta believe in it now because it's all starting to make sense. And I know that we constantly see the other men who don't get it, or maybe outsiders from faster nations who don't get it. But what's so important is that you guys get it and you're still sitting in front of us today as a strong United couple. UM. One of the things and I and I understand this on the personal level, is being in an interracial relationship and which I'm so happy to see it happen again, say I, I do you guys? I know? Right? Yea? Next, Okay, come on, Black Colombian listen. The world are children to make a better right? Can we all get our letters here? Everybody loves everybody, couldn't, I couldn't ask let it pass. But there is so much and this is the question that I ask everyone pretty much who comes through. But like, twenty twenty is such a crazy time. And yeah, full disclosure. As we're doing this podcast, the election, it's election day and it's happened. It's going on right now, and we've seen a pandemic, and we've seen sadness and sickness and suffering. But then we've also seen so much discord when it comes to UM, race and and and socially and culturally with you guys, have you had those important conversations about how you're going to be a united front and face the world as an interracial couple and build a future for the children that you're going to bring into this world, which we're going to be so cute, by the way, tell me about it, girl. I want to be like first babies that are called Oh. This has come up naturally with in just our conversations. I think the biggest thing is we know that we can come to each other for anything. There's no judgment, there's no worry, and that's what's so important about having a relationship and building this And we both leaned on each other for advice and perspective in some of these situations, like right when we left, like I was getting you know, emails about race and being with a white or a mixed woman, you know, where people don't even really understand all the background. There's things that have come up where Claire has just comes directly and asked me, like, what's the best way I should approach this? Are what is respectful? So I think that honestly, even things that it's not to cut you off, no do you think, but even things that I have had questions about where I'm like, is that inappropriate? Because now that it's becoming to the forefront, which I am so thankful and I'm so happy for ye, the awareness of what's the word I'm looking for, like um was appropriate? What's not appropriate? And even things that I was never even aware of, um what was it was a question about I mean, I think just for example, for example, where like when you were talking about um, like a black woman in a bikini, you know, um, tatian a bikini, things like that, where I was like, tell me about like I we talk to each other about everything where and he makes it so comfortable that that I'm like, let me know. I want to know, because the truth is, our babies are going to be mixed and they're gonna have to face those kind of things and they're gonna have those questions. Hopefully not it'll you know, we'll have so much progression and by the time our little babies are grown up. But it's it's like he just makes it so comfortable that we can talk about this and that it's not an uncomfortable kind of like elephant in the room, and it should never it should never be that way, and just with anybody and making sure that people. You know, it's okay if you make a mistake or say the wrong thing from time to time. But like the big this thing is just feeling secure enough to know that you can learn from it or you have resources. And I mean, I'm from a biracial family. My mom's side disowner because she married a black man. You know, I grew up in an all white community where I can stay at my friend's houses. When I was a kid, like, we had to really fight for respect and to make our place in the community in which I grew up. So this is something that you know, I've been around since the time I was a little kid. But we know that we'll deal with some of these things. But it hasn't been a worry or anything like that. We just get through everything together just like we would in any setting and talk, like talking about the questions. I think it's not something people should ever shy away from it. It's it provokes conversation and learning and more knowledge, you know, And it's it's something that to me is beautiful and shouldn't be backed away from. It shouldn't be not talked about. Yeah, it's not a negative thing to talk about interracial relationships. Or tiptoeing around like that's not it's not a negative thing, alright, Like we're proud of who we are, what we are like to me, to me, that's what makes him beautiful. Like I mean, I don't know. I just don't make you start singing again, you guys keep giving me the chills. I don't know. It's it's something that's different. I think it transcends like love to me, just transcends everything it does. It does, and I don't know. I think it's one of those things that just like I said, is just beautiful to me because it shows that it's coming from here. And what the electricity that we had night one. I know, you could see it in my face and in my nerves and I got so shy, But like you can't replace that, and it doesn't even matter the color of anybody's skin, Like it's that irreplaceable that you can't I knew it. I knew it. I knew it, you guys. I love that. I remember, so I didn't see that. I didn't know that happened, you know, I never knew that happened in that way. And when I saw that, I was goose. I was like, damn like I need pretty incredible. I really felt exactly what you were feeling. I felt that in every sense. So that was that was beautiful to see. I got lucky. We got you to that the world seriously where I need to turn off all my legs right now. We just need to do everything. Have a moment for those of you who cannot see, Dale just picked up the dog and and you know we're all we're all coom baying over here with the we are the world moment. I'm telling you, guys, right now, this is gonna be my mom's favorite podcast that she's ever listened to, because she's like she's gonna says she feels the love with everyone. That's why I think that, you guys, is that when when you're watching a television show like like The Bache Threat, there's so many awesome, great but dramatic and crazy and kind of like different parts of the episodes, but you're seeing as far with us, you're seeing eight hours, ten hours of two hundred and fifty hours that were that we were all worth taking part in it, and so you see a blippet of what of what the real picture is and behind it all, it's like, yeah, there was a lot of hard things that were going on on a lot of dramatic things, but at the end of it, it's like this, this is why I went there, This is what everything I was looking for. And uh, I don't know, man, I just I'm so thankful and it's it's love. It's love. You can't there. There's nothing in all my thirty nine years of life. I don't want to even talk about my age anymore. But it's so once in a lifetime thing where you just are like, oh, yeah, takes your breath away. Yeah. Well, Claire, We've obviously had you on the podcast, and I've chatted with you prior to you starting your season, but Dale, obviously this is your first time ever being on the show. We haven't had a chance to pick your brain yet. But I mean, I'm curious. I think all of our listeners are curious, Like you coming on to the Boustret, Like what did you expect in your mind? Like what did you think the potential outcome would be? Like did you, like in your wildest rooms, could do fathom sitting down now? Like what four weeks later being engaged getting down on one knee with Claire, Like now house Hunting and Sacramento. Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I could have never planned it to go this way. But when I decided to go on the show, a big thing was to give up control for once in my life and just be fully vested, be fully present. And when I saw that Claire was going to be the bachelorette, like, that's exactly what made me comfortable enough to do it, because I knew that even just from her interviews and the little bit that I saw, I felt her excitement, but that I could truly trust her and I was willing to, I don't know, just say like screw it, I'll you know, be fully present, give up all control. And it's something that was outside of the box, but I've I was just in it with the open heart, and I think even mentally preparing for all those months I was preparing for her, you know, I was visualizing and thinking what this woman would be like. So when I stepped out of the limo night one, like, my mind and heart was dead set and focused on being with her at the end of it. You know, I wasn't going in it to try to figure it out. I was going to give everything I had and she was going to feel me in my heart and my presence. But I was giving everything in a way as if I was going to be there at the end and this was just the beginning, but we were going to have a life together. So no, I couldn't have predicted it, but I went into it um in a place where I trusted it enough where I was going to put my heart and soul into it and just open up and be me. That's how you have to be. When did you know you had it in the bag? Like when did you know that? You're like, tell me, sure, honestly, good pleasure because I want to know that too, So I mean, could I have been more obvious? So terrible? I was so nervous night the first night, but after I got the first impression Rose, there was a little bit of time where we were just walking and joking around that you didn't see slow, Um okay, they're like what But after that that night I was like, damn, like I don't know what happened, but that ship shook me to the core and said I saw it, okay. And so the next time I met I saw Claire, which was with our group date, I was like we had a little bit of a lone time and we were just speaking the same language. And after that time, that's connection in that spark was there, but it was even more intense with I would say, like surety, with how we were both feeling. And after that moment, I was just like, there's no way she's just saying this to say it like she she's she's got to be feeling exactly what I'm feeling, you know, And I've never had had those feelings or something happened that fast, and I was just like, there's no way that it's not me. And she didn't come out and flat out say that, but we had. It was weird, and I've I've told people this before, like I had so many extensive which you guys didn't see, but really long, great conversations with the other guys and where we're getting to know each other and talking about a lot of different things. But when I was around Dale, it was like by night two or even night one, I think we had inside jokes. We were like pinky problem, just like it was like we knew each other for so long, yeah, and it was hard, are you go? But we it was like we had these inside jokes or these things where the serendipity things where it was literally in every conversation that we would go, oh my gosh, no, me too, me too, Oh you felt me too. And then I would go have another conversation with a different guy and it would be like, so you're you know, you don't want to move out of your state and okay, and where did you grow up? And it was that very surface level where you're trying to get to know somebody. With him, it just was like we felt like we just knew each other. Actually, the icing on the cake though, like hands down, um was pineapple. Oh I know you go, oh my god. So we had on a group date. Um, the one that you know episode three man had all the drama. Um, that's all good. So Claire has a tattoo right here that says password, and we're we're in the uh el president a sweet and I'm asking her, I go, what's the tattoo mean? And she talks about um. It was like a sign for her and a friend, uh, you know, when she was getting a little bit of anxiety, they would have a password to basically say get me out of here, help me. Um. And then so she told me the story and then I go, oh, Pineapple, and she goes, who told you? Who told you? I guess the password of her like like Pineapple that her and her friend used to have as like a safety word to like save me or I'm like spinning out and I guess signs and we like freaking out that. I mean, like in my interview that night, I got my phone Pineapple called my best friend on camera and I was like, what's our what was the original password? And she was like, Pineapple, why? And I was like what, He's moving into the President's suite with me. I mean, honestly, Becca, what would you have said? I would have said, care bear? What would you have said? You know what I mean? Like, what is the neighborhood? Yeah? Exactly, exactly, this is what I'm saying. Where it was like, Okay, this is getting weird. Yeah, no, it's like it's getting right. That's what we'll call it. Yeah, And I love these behind the scenes stories because it people We've said this before because we talk about this on the show, but you film for weeks, people get two hours, not even two hours because you gotta add in commercial breaks, so it's really like at an hour twenty six, so you don't understand all the background, and that's what these moments are so special. And that's why I love podcasting, because we get to understand how you guys even if we don't, but fully understand because we weren't there, we're not the two of you, but a little bit better as to why you guys connected so quickly. So that being said, I want to take a bit of a turn, because Dale, this is a compliment. Dale. This is a compliment for those people who make fun of the ways say it. This is the compliment sandwich in it because you know, we got to get down to the nitty gritty. Obviously, you guys love each other. You found love. We were thrilled by it. But we like to answer questions that people have. Ye and there is a moment in the in the middle of this where we're kind of like, Dale, what's going on here? Things seem attad shady And I said it. I said it on my you know, like when I didn't you know, no like real shape, but just like I'm talking about the way that it seems, so we see you and you said it like and it clearly hearing the connection that you have. I get why you were like, well, I feel like I'm the best suited. That was a comment that you may Yeah, obviously, So I'll let you go through this. Explain why one you said that you felt you were the best suited to talk to Claire. First, please explain the group hug Hey, sorry, I want you to explain why you were dazed and confused wandering into the Poor Jay constantly got stepped over. Okay, so this is um. So when I look at that and I feel like watching it back, like if there's one thing I would have handled a little differently, maybe would have been that situation. But after the Joseph incident and Claire had to deal with all that, Yeah, just saying a lot. You know, I'm very protective of Claire. I was from the get go, um, and so even understanding that verbal abuse and some of that aggression, like it immediately sparked in memories of my sisters. I have four sisters. I'm the only boy, and all the women in my life have dealt with physical or emotional abuse in some way, shape or form, and I've been the one who's always had to pick up those pieces, and you know, so for me, and also you know, there was a lot of drama about guys cutting and showing up on other people's dates and all this stuff and what she'll see and realize. You know, I wanted to get out in front of it right away and say, hey, this is what I want to do. I want to speak with Claire first. If it's five or ten minutes, I don't care, but I want to see her first. The group hug thing was like a little bit like corny whatever. In my mind. I didn't even think anything of it. All I was thinking about was Claire and if any instance, even if it was over the top and made her feel loved, I don't care, And just naturally in my day to day I do a tongue with community building, you know, events in the wellness space. It's just loved. So while it comes off a certain way, I don't care because I just wanted her to feel overly comfortable and just know that she was a focus. You know. Obviously I spent a lot more time with Claire than five or ten minutes. It's hard showed up. I don't even know at that's thing. You know, usually a guy, like a guy'll come in and can I steal you? Can I steal you? No one was there there was because you guys in the presidency, no one could find it. I've never been there before. I didn't even know where. Like I was like, but there's there's a time in the video where I'm getting up and You're like, what are you doing? I don't know. I just felt like you don't. Also, it went like that. It really went like that. And in all fairness too that that was the night where I thought I can have a long period of time with each guy. Yeah, and so him being the first guy, I thought, great, the next guy, I'll have a long period of time with the next guy. I'll have a long period of time with and each night. Truthfully, I made a conscious effort, even though it wasn't showed. I made a conscious effort to go above and beyond to give these guys time, to spend time with these guys, and even if it was a limited an amount of time that we had together, I was completely present. There was not like each and every guy I can tell you extensively stuff about their childhood, about their growing up, where they live, in their jobs. Like I learned so much about every single guy and spend a lot of time with every single guy. Granted that was a lot of time with him. But until that point, I thought we were gonna have a lot of time. There were five guys who were why were you days and confused? Explain that? Explain the days that could. I want to give you an opportunity to explain why, you know when Yeah, I didn't give him an opportunity to explain it. Oh, I was like sprung. After I left with Claire, I was like time, Oh the second time. When I came back, Um, so I what you'll see the guys started arguing. I think Riley and ed if guys were arguing, I didn't even want to sit on the like, I didn't even want to be in it, so I'd always get up and leave, you know. And I just got up and left, and I was chilling for a little bit, and I was like, well, I'm going to see if Claire or someone somewhere. So me walking through, I didn't know Jay was in there. I didn't even know they were going to be sitting that close when I opened the door, and then they were there, you know. So I was like, hey, I can give you some time whatever, come back and sit down. I'm not gonna I'm not going to deny that you know, or deny time with her, and um, you know, coming back out of it, you know, I was sticking on some things that guys were trying to say that I had this plan in my head and this malicious intent. I was like, y'all were arguing. I went up, went to the restroom, couldn't stand there anymore, and that I was like, I'm just gonna go find Claire. It was like an impulse thing. That's who I came to spend time with. So see, if you had said that, I think people would have accepted it more like, oh I went looking even my I was curinging thinking like watching it back, I was like, oh my god, and then it comes back just own it. Um. Yeah, you don't have to piece with everything in every situation. If you try to make everyone happy, you just end up hurting the people you care about the most. And that's exactly what that situation was. I respect for the guys. I didn't want to step on their toes, but also like I was at a point I could no longer like cut into time Claire and I had and I wasn't willing to. But you can't make everyone happy. And also after that point and you know, the night, but also during filming and everything, I said, if I was resonating here, I'm here now because I'm no longer worried about the opinions of everything else. Like it's just as long as Claire's happy, that's all I care. In all fairness, I will say this too, when he came in and like you just said, rage, Like he came in and what It's easy to watch it on TV, I think, but in the moment, it was I'm in a jacket. It's probably one hundred and fifteen out at that point in the night, You're tired, and on top of it, I started to have anxiety because it was like one day after another after another, and it was almost like at that moment, I was feeling a lot of I was feeling overwhelmed by the conversations and and then so at that point I was already really really comfortable with Dale, and so when he came in the room, it was like almost like a little bit of a relief, of a breath of fresh air that was like okay, you know, and like you see your sister walk in the room and you're like, okay, I can calm down, or like, hey, this is gonna make it, you know, a little bit of a relief from that anxiety. Yeah, and it wasn't. Jay wasn't giving me anxiety, but it was almost like it was it was just a breath in that moment. Sure, Yeah, it was overwhelmed and it was like, oh, it's nice to see him. Yeah, yeah, we have just a really good time. That was late. And that's such a fine line to walk like that. I don't think viewers I always realize is like you as the as the lead and as the baud shreat like you're trying to give all of these guys enough attention and like like be invested, but also like you have this relationship that you know is like really solid and forming, so you of course want to spend your time with them, and like vice versa. For you Dale as a contestant, I mean, you seem to get along with the guys like you were close with a lot of them in the house, but at the same time, like you were there for Claire at the end of the day, like you were there to find love in her, and so it's it's a it's a difficult balance like on all sides. But Dale, I want to ask you Was it difficult to maintain friendships when you obviously knew you were a very high upfront runner with Claire and that like you had caught her eye and you were getting more time and attention from her. Was it difficult to maintain those friendships? But then also like, have they now been supportive since the news of the engagement? How has that been? Yeah? I mean, honestly, it wasn't difficult at all for me personally. And I have so much respect for all the guys, and there's been nothing but love and support. I said to each and every one of Like, I learned so much about Claire through the other guys by listening and asking questions, you know, time when we weren't together U and I think, you know, certain things can be shown and people might have an opinion, but there were like hell of great guys there, and I think there's just a lot of love and respect. And you know, that might have been why some of the drama scene was so intense the way it was, because we all had those relationships and for something to come off and think that there was cruel intention um would definitely sting and hurt a lot. But I have a great relationship with them. You know, I think it's respect across the board and they all get it especially that's something that we all went through and it's a unique situation for everybody. Here's how you tell del Are you in the group chat? I am in the group chat? That's all you say? The guys respect made it in? Yeah, I definitely am. So that's the key. I know that it really is, and i'd be part of the group chat or you don't want to be part of the group chat. Our group chat. But for our listeners, there is always a group chat, and it's always advised to not be a part of it. They hate that it happens, but it's inevitable because you do establish these connections in these relationships. But the people that you spend more time with honesty than the lead. Because a lot of people, I mean not a lot of people. Not everybody makes it to the end. Only one does. So that's the key question. Did you make it to the group chat? I didn't make group chat? Obviously you did things right on both sides. Don't the group plug worked? People like if they see me because I host a lot of like fitness and wellness things and like I don't know it was. It was corny, it was too much, but whatever, you know, but it worked. It was But it doesn't matter at the end of the day. That group hug got you into the group chat. He always group ups me, and I'm like, come on, come on, it's maybe it was. Maybe it's a sounds a good things. I don't know. I've never been to stake, but maybe that's that's the only role. Have you heard this, Dale, I feel like you don't have. Anyone would have heard this. When you hug someone, do you do it for at least seven seconds because it releases endorphins a long time. I got to host just seven seconds, awkwardly, twenty Oh, I thought it was seven. I think if I hugged somewhere for twenty seconds, I think it's twenty. Okay, let's do the research when I think it's my seconds, and if it's not twenty seconds, I'm gonna be so embarrassed because because I held I've held Robert Mills for like twenty He's trying to back out and I'm just holding on tight. I'm googling it right now. Oh yeah, you're there. You are right. It is twenty seconds. It basically second someone for twenty seconds. You definitely got to get their consent. Yeah, I always thought it was seven, and I thought seven was awkwardly long. No other things start moving besides the arms and twenty seconds. I don't I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't I'm not I'm not here for it, But I do want to get into the first date. We touched on it a little bit, but I feel like that first date was everything with you guys and us, a game changer every it was a game changer it and it explained so much. And if the viewers don't get it after watching the first date, then there's just like death. They're really just trying to be hateful and nasty. So I want to talk to you guys about the group date and what it meant to you and what you guys were feeling to finally, because Debt, I mean even for you, Debt. Let's just like take a couple of steps back with Chris Harrison, who worked harder than he ever has before and any other season, Chris Harrison pulls you to the side and he's like Clara wants to spend more time with with you, you know, and so like you know, that information, but nobody else does. So you're walking into this not really knowing what to expect. Clara does, but you don't, and you share are so much with each other, not just of your backgrounds, but what you feel for one another, and then you know, you get into a good time, you know, as my parents call it, the closed doors. So just just like talk a little bit about what that first date meant to you and maybe maybe share a little bit of what as viewers we didn't see. Yeah, so when Chris pulled me out, I didn't know exactly what was going to be happening. But when you said, Claire, you know, you're finally going to get some your one on one time with Claire, by the way, I was, I know, it looks awful. I was, so I didn't realize he canceled. When Chris canceled that Rose ceremony, I was like, let's do this. It's on. It's on. No. I was like, that's all I wanted the whole time was just one on one time because there, you know, had been other guys that had gotten it up to that point. And I think I even said, you know, once we get time together uninterrupted, one on one time, it's a rap, you know. In that so I was excited. I didn't know what to expect as far as the date. But I mean I could have easily just been like I could have easily dumped you home. I mean, how confident he is he right now? How confident he's all I was. What we were feeling together, it was undeniable. So I said I was going to make her fall in love with me one way or not one on one time. I was like, well, that's where I were here today, goals. I did the same thing to Brian, so I actually understand that. But yeah, yeah, but that's that's all I wanted. I just wanted time with Claire from the moment I got there and as much as I could possibly get. So once we got it, whatever it was I was, I was, I was happy fingers to make you go back to the guys after the after then everything that, because I was like, I don't after the night and especially after our date then I was like, I don't know how I can go back in the house with the guys. But also like in Claire and I talked about this, I wouldn't have felt comfortable with it. Yeah, and I know you like it's like, what do we do now? What do we do that? Um so? And let's be honest, it was a date and a fantasy suite. I mean, let's just call it what. You probably had more time overnight during that night than we did in fantasy suites exact. Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. What people don't see is that we had that essentially that from as soon as it got dark, we had it was like a two or three hour dinner, sit down dinner which we did not eat the food because it was so hot and it was like you never eat the food. It was good, but we sat there for like two or three hours and I I don't getet nervous very easily, and I was so nervous because it's easy for me, I don't know it. It's easy for me to talk to guys and have a conversation because I do that every day work at the salon. I have conversations all day long. But with him, and that level of vulnerability of telling him for the first time that I loved him was like, I was so nervous and I just see my list slivering the whole time and trying to stay composed. But it was a long dinner and then he didn't know I had the surprise for him of Chris and Bree. That was and that song. I still cry and I still play it every single days. Oh my god. They are just everything. They also kicked cover of what you guys didn't see them, Yeah, Beyonce's XO and it was the most beautiful thing ever. They're amazing. Yeah that Like I literally have goose bumps right now thinking about it. And we've talked about how much, literally for the last a few months, like, we can't wait to see this back because in that moment and anyone who sees it, I know, like who saw it, it's undeniable what we felt and it was. It was so beautiful. It's just it was one of the one of those moments where you're like, it can't get better than this. It cannot get better than this in life, Like it cannot get This is everything I ever dreamed of. And that's why when I feel those feelings and I look back and I watch it and I remember those thoughts, it's like, I know it's hard going through the process, and no, no, it's hard watching the guys on the other end struggling and not knowing what's going on. And it's hard. It's one of those really hard situations because in that moment, my heart is like I understand what they're feeling. I understand the frustration, but to honor myself and to honor the feelings of what I came there for and to be in that moment of like, this is exactly what I wanted and this is exactly what I came here for to do, and I have found it. I found it, And so it was that I don't know, I don't know if the right word is like juxtap you know, what's the word I'm looking for to exa position, Yeah, of understanding like there's all these guys but just there's all these guys waiting and not knowing what's going on, and then just just having one of the greatest moments of my life. It's hard. It's a hard thing. But you know what, I think the way that you went about everything, like I'm sure in that moment to the guys because they just felt like they were waiting around, it probably sucks. But in hindsight, like what you did to know and to say like I love Dale, like this is it for me. I have to remove myself from the rest of the season. I think they'll look back and they'll respect that decision because you didn't waste their time. Yeah, and now that was something that was really really important to me, and I will drive that home no matter what people think, like, I respect the hell out of those guys, And that's why it was really hard to go speak with all the guys to let them know what was going on with Dale and I. I didn't want to drag it out. I mean, it was it was a hard thing, Like do you go through the whole season for to just be deal at the end and to have them then feel like, oh, that time was wasted or give them another opportunity with another woman to find Look, and as much respect as I have for these guys, it was that really hard, hard position to be put in. But I think one thing that I can stand behind is that I've spoken to you guys about it before, about my past and stuff that I've gone through. But it's it's it's for me a big thing for my heart to be able to disappoint other people, to not let myself down. And I've done it in the past where I've I've put my feelings aside and done what I thought they the guys wanted, or my feelings or my thoughts, and done what's best for them. And then I end up hurt and I end up rushed. So to be able to honor yourself and honor your truth is something that I pride myself on. And so it's a hard thing when you have to disappoint another to make yourself, you know, to do what's best for yourself. But we all have to do that, you know, we all do. And we've all been there. Yeah, And we all have our own journeys as to how long it takes us to get there. But I know I've been there. Becca's been there where you know, like you do sacrifice yourself and lose yourself a bit in a relationship, and then when you come out on the other side of it, you're better for it, and you know exactly what you're wanting. You're better, you're better prepared to accept when your person comes into your life. And I want to move into that because I want to talk about the proposal. Oh, it was beautiful, and when we get to the good stuff, yeah, it was because you know, like we got so many teases before that made it seem like yal, I was thinking maybe it was Dale was maybe thinking that that wasn't the case. You know, maybe he was getting nervous figuring out like is he ready for for marriage? And then he gets down on one knee even before he gets out on one knee, and just puts it all out there, and it's like, oh, Dell's been ready, Okay, Dale was just waiting for the right person to get out. Yeah, I know it, really, Dell. And I want to talk about that because you know full disclosure. You know, I'll always whatever I say behind your back, i'll say to your face. And I didn't stay it behind your back. I said it on the podcast. But when we had when you were on the Love Languages date and we saw you do the words of affirmation, I said, okay, I was just expecting just a little bit more from day A little underwhelming, oh, little underwhelming. And then comes the proposal, and I said, you know what, if this is what we were waiting for, I'll wait. I'll wait again. All right. It was beautiful and I want to just take you guys back to that moment and leading up to it, and we heard from you, Dell. Obviously, when you proposed Dale, when you obviously proposed to her, and then we heard Claire, you know, talk about what she was, what the whole moment for her. But I just want to hear it. We want to hear it from your perspective of leading up to that moment and then what it took for you to get down on one knee and make that commitment to Claire. Yeah. So if you know, like anyone that knows me, like there was a lot of times early on that I was nervous. Obviously it's a new experience going on, you know, the first few times with Claire. But as we went on, like this was the most confident And we both say this like that portion was not nerve racking for me or us at all, Like we I felt so calm and so confident, and I knew exactly what I was going to say, because I've run that through my mind hundreds of times, you know, And it wasn't it was never an option on whether or not I was going to commit and be there for her and give her everything that I had. So that's exactly, you know what I did. And I told her even earlier, I was like, I will never leave you hanging. There will never be a time while I'm here that I will ever leave you hanging. So for me, I just I just expressed, you know, what I wanted and just long story short, that whatever we have to go through, both the good and the bad, like I'm going to be by your side throughout, and I know and honestly, like I think a lot about it too, Like I was very very very emotional after our one on one date and like you don't see this, but there's an interview and it asked, you know, like what would your mother say to you? And I was falling, and I would like and I said that she would say that, you know, thank you, thank you for everything that you've done and holding our family together, but thank you for putting yourself first for once and finding happiness. And all I could think the entire time is how much my mother would love Claire, and just it's and I know she you know, she feels her presence. But yeah, it was just never difficult, Like it was always written, it was going to be her and I and from the moment I stepped out of the limit to you know, being there at the end, there was never a time when I was going to keep rocking with her and give her everything I had. I think one thing that at least it hit me because I kind of understand, like I've lost a parent too, as you both have, so you get it. One thing that Claire kept reiterating throughout the entire season since the beginning is you know the fact that like, unfortunately, Claire, your dad passed away, but he would always show up. He would always show up, and he told you to always show up. And I think from what we saw like Dale, especially in those last moments, where it kind of makes it look like is he going to show up? Is he not? Like what's going to happen? Like you showed up? And and I want to know, like now that you've seen it and you've watched it back, as there's a lot that I'm sure Claire has said an interviews that you weren't privy to unless you watched it, is that she said you reminded her of her father, which hit me really deep because I said that's the same things when I was the baut short and I think it's probably like one of the best compliments anyone could give a person. And so watching that back, like those moments of her speaking about you in regards to her dad and holding you to his similar standard. What did that feel like for you? Oh, I thought you were asking it for sorry about that. I know exactly how much like Claire, losing her father affected her, just based on what she shared with me. And for her to say that that and say that I embodied her father and she felt protected and she also felt the compassion. That's all I ever wanted, you know, as as a son and a brother, I only wanted to provide that for my family and be that for my sisters and my mother. And I've always wanted to be a father. I've always wanted to have a family. You know, life and career takes you through all these different turns. And for her to say that she felt that in me and saw that in me, like, I can't even put that into words, because that's what everything I've ever wanted, as far as just to be that for someone else and have that be reciprocated. Yeah, and I know that it's not. It was quick, you guys. It was quick that we got engaged. And I know you don't know obviously, when it's that fast, you don't know everything about somebody. Yeah, but what I do know is that the things that he embodied, that he showed me, that we talked about, things that were just even him showing up at the very end and not even wavering on it for one second. These type of things are what I have always looked for in a man. And in the most intense I mean like at the proposal, the most intense, stressful could have been like a nerve racking thing. He had written a letter to me, with written letters to each other beforehand, and I was I was, so, I was like, is he gonna show up? Is he going to be there? I don't know. I know how I feel, but I don't know, you know, like it doesn't scare him, but it was. It was like, there's never gonna be a moment where I don't show up for you, and whether it be at the proposal and to this very day, months months later, he's still at what I'm just a wreck, and it's he's in New York time. I'm in Sacramento time, and it's you know, five o'clock in the morning, New York time, and I'm crying and he's just fading off. I'm like, but are he's still there? And he's like I'm still here. I'll watch the sun come up like I'm still here if you need me. And he hasn't wavered on that. And that's exactly everything I've ever looked for, like I said, and he really does embody dot. So the basis of what I'm looking for, he or what I was looking for, he has so albeit quick. You can't replace those qualities. You can't just either there they're not there. Wow, Dell, we gotta get you on the West coast so you can get some sleep, is what I just heard. Wow. I like make jokes, but you know how we've we feel about you guys, and how happy we are for you and you guys have found each other in this crazy, crazy world and the shortest amount of time ever in batter or history. But as both of you have said on separate occasions, when you know you know um and Diana said that as well, one thing I do want to pay you back on is, you know, like the future the two of you have together and you know, planning roots and wherever that may be, and buying a house and having little light skinned babies that with one another. So what does the future hold for Claire and Dale? Yeah? I think the future is is that starting off? What I love about Dale is that he nothing scares him with talking about the future. I talk about babies all the time. It doesn't He's like, yeah, that's what I want and it doesn't scare him. And I'm I'll remind him of things all the time if like, you know, not good and the younger, you know, I'll say things like that and he's like, I think I don't know this, Like yeah, like let's do this. But like I told you guys earlier, we were house hunting today and picking out the area we live in or we want to live in, and um, what's important. He knows what's important to me is right now being here for my mom and that's and that's something that's honestly, this hasn't been a toughest as like what needs to happen in the future, because as long as we're together, Um, for me, that's that's all that matters. And you know, thankfully we have the ability and it's you know, myself included, even though I have roots in New York to where I can be where I need to be, what I need to be. But we're building a life, we're building a foundation. You know, we want to have a home here, and like ultimately in the number one thing is to make sure that we're both that she's secure and safe, but that her family and we're doing what's best for like us but also our families. So whatever it is, as long as we're together, that's the only thing that matters. Can I just say, yeah, I'm probably gonna cry because I'm already getting too red. But Claire, I've talked to you about this before. It's like one of the first conversations that we had. But just dell to hear you say that that's what's important and to be there for her when when you're oh, gosh, we're coming to twos, start crying. I'm trying to find the right words. When someone a loved one is going through dementia, it is so hard on the caretaker. And I've I've been very like honest with Claire about this. I it runs in my family and I've my grandmother, my aunt, very very close women in my family that I have grown up with have suffered from dementia and it is very very hard on the caretaker. And so just to hear you say what's important and that you're going to be there with her. I know is everything that you get it and you understand it, and I just want to acknowledge that because not everybody gets what it is to be there for someone who's taking excuse me, taking care of someone who's going through that. And so once again, it's like the further we get into this conversation, the more it's so relevant how you guys are so meant for each other, because not everybody is so willing to understand that, to put their life and whatever it may be on the whole to be there to support the person who's going through that, even if you haven't been through that yourself. So I just I'm sure Claire has acknowledged that a million times, but I just want to acknowledge that because I know what it is. Yea through that. It's brutal Dementia's got a good one. I got a good one. You good one to do. But it's I mean, even things down to there was a moment where we're going we're going through this process where people don't know we're together and we can't talk about it or anything like that. And obviously this season there was not hometowns. But since my mom, you know, dementia, it gets rapidly worse um. And he had actually what people don't know is that he had come up here and had it was when they were just allowing window visits with my mom because of covid um. But he had come up and how to talk with my mom and just said basically like she she's She was like, where do you live? And he said new York? And she's like, are you taking my daughter to New York with you? And he said, no, We're keeping it right right here in Sacramento with you. And so it's just like things like that that are just a re reconfirming everything that I have been looking for that I wanted in a man, somebody that will understand this in real life stuff show aside, the fun stuff aside. I've always said, I want a guy who will be around for the hard stuff, for the nitty gritty but when it's not pretty, for when it's not easy, And he's just embodied that, I'm so happy for you that you guys have that with each other and that you have that support system and Dell that you're just like supporting her through it all. She's done the same. Yeah, And I get that constantly from Claire. You know, there's another thing like and this is in a short span, we both had to support each other emotionally in a lot of different ways. My high school coach, who was a father to me out of nowhere, was diagnosed with stage four cancer throughout his entire body. And they didn't think that. I mean, it was it was ugly, and she was with me the same thing. I'd be crying all night, she'd sit up on the phone with me. Was willing to risk everything just to fly to South Dakota. She didn't care about contracts or anything, just to be there and support me, you know, and you know, by the grace of God, like he's so much better and things are great. But she really really really was my rock throughout that whole thing because I was, I was, I was a mess. And it's just it wasn't a question of if it's like what can I do? How much can I do? No matter what? I got you and that's special and that's something that I haven't had, you know, outside, And I think, like that's all we want to do, is we just want to like, you know that we have someone in our corner and we know that we have that and it's not going to change. Yeah, that's that's not to be long winded, but that's that's what I'm talking about. With such a short engagement and with knowing each other, the root in the core is we're not going to give up on each other. And we've got each other's backs and anything else we can handle. But at the core of it, we've got each other's backs. Yeah, and I don't need a lot more than that. And we got love. We got that, yeah, say when the cameras go away, audio, all of that. It's about sticking with each other through the hard times. And that's the things that people don't see. And so you know, like you know, like I'm saddened that you guys have gone through hard times, but I'm glad to know that you've been able to be strong for one another. When one is week, the other one's strong. You've been able to lean on one another to get through it. And that is why you have a successful relationship, not because it's been serendipitous. If you found each other found love on television, it's because I have one another's back through the hard times when no one else is looking. Yeah, I'm pretty happy for you guys. I am. I can't wait to see what the future holds and deal I have to ask you. I just actually I don't even want to ask you. I just have to call you out on one thing because I took an audio recording of it to give me two seconds. Here. Oh god, hopefully my phone doesn't die. Okay, here we go. This is when we were proposal. You still mind where you have from Dale? But I literally when I watched I rewatched it because I literally I blank out. The moment was just like huh. But when I watched it, I was like, that's Becca's life that I d I was watching it and I was I was laid with my dog and I was like, did he just like he just take my line? But it was so worth it. So I'll give it up for this because it was very, very worth it. Um all right, thank you. Okay, two more questions before we let you go. I have to ask this. This is going to be the beginning of you guys hearing this one million times and probably like the next two years. But do you guys have any wedding plants? Okay? So we're like dabbling because you know how it is kind of with guys like he doesn't. He's not scared of anything. But I'm like, so here's the wedding dress ideas, and here's the day that I want to get married. And he's like, okay, let's I mean, everything is like he he truly is like the yin to my yang. Like I'm I'm passionate. He didn't. I have get intense with everything, and he's just like this very I mean like he can hang with me. But he's very even keeled and very reasonable and just kind of like levels me out on some on to some extent. So but Dale, when's your sign? What's your sign? I mean September twenty four were scales right? Yeah? I know I'm saying it's a schedule, but I like, we we definitely talked about it. Obviously, the times we're in with the pandemic makes some of the things a little bit difficult, but we just want to enjoy this time together. But we I would literally marry him tomorrow if I could, and it wouldn't be talked about. We could do this in a courthouse weister party a little bit. I'm an ordained minister. Do you want to just do it right now? We got until let me do for the actual day, since you have your day plan. But do you have a wedding plan? Let's do the damn thing. Do we have what a wedding plan? I'm gonna make us all shirts? Oh oh, I got you? Like, okay, shit have you You're You're done. That's we've got that one settled. Done. Love it, Megan party, the party? What's it called? The petty? I meant I got you. I will text you all information after all of us. I'm not super dope. We don't. Yeah, we don't have anything crazy right now planned. I think we're just we're excited to I mean, I feel like I hear people when I rewatch the shows. People are like, we're just excited to do things, and I'm genuinely He's like he knows what I want to do. I'm like, I just want to go to Target together. Get that. Yeah, we have we have so much fun to get Like our biggest thing has been just itching to go where we can go out and do the simple things in public. But we have fun just I mean just chilling around the house. You guys, TikTok's to come. We have been talk. It is crazy. Have to get TikTok no, no, you know how much I cospise TikTok Wa changed my mind with you guys. Wait until you guys go to Costco for the first time together. It's going to be magical. I cannot wait. Right back to the wedding planting. So my vision is too because I've never been a fan of like big weddings, but I really want to go to like island hop to different countries, different like tropical places, have a couple of different just me and him ceremonies, and come back and have just a huge, beautiful party with everybody. Oh damn, in my mind we were island hopping with you. Do you need somebody to carry your suitcases in pact me because I volunteer. It's tribute already, asked christ and Brie. I'm like, look, I know you guys are kind of a big deal now, but can you serenade our wedding? And Chris was like, say the more fam staying they're so wonderful. Yeah, they're so awesome. Isn't there like the suitcase guy for the Bachelor Bachelor att like viral or something? Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can make that happen too. I'm sure you know, more than happy to think you had another one more question. I did add one more question, well, because I truly want to talk to you guys for hours because you're just so damn cute. But obviously you guys have a life to live and probably other things to do right now. So well, Claire, you know this because we've had you in our podcast, but Dale, this is very new for you. But each week with our guests, we'd like to play rose and thorn, and so for both of you, I have to ask you what was the thorn of the season for you? And what was both of your roses? The rose? I'm gonna start. Can I start with the rose? Of course? All right? The rose was the engagement. I mean, hands down, I think that like that was the ultimate U and I mean it was just beautiful. It was everything m I was looking for, I know with Claire as well, and that's whe got us here, you know to this point. So the engagement was definitely the rose. Damn uh, it was interrupted in the present, like the thorn was a yosep thing that pissed me, like I was fucking pissed. Um oh yeah, let it out. I like out that because Claire can handle herself. She can she she's grown, she's been through things. But that's I know that affected her. It wasn't Yosef that affected her. It was the action and hearing those things, and that bothered me that whole night. It doesn't show those things. I was fucking pissed. And you know again, I just I just don't like that. You know, that's that's not how any man should ever act in any instance, And I just I would never have hoped for her to go through that. But so that was a thorn. But you know, I'm happy at least even that night I was able to be there for you. Yeah, I will tell you guys this, that is not my thorn, because I will not give any man that credit to affect me to that level. First of all, I'll start off with my thorn. My thorn was probably the day that I had to walk in to talk to the guys to let them know that it was that I was taking off with Dale. Although it was one of the greatest moments feeling confident in that, it was a really really excruciating thing for me, because I've talked about it a ton before, how grateful I was for these guys to show up and to go through all the testing and to put their lives on hold at the opportunity as the chance for just love. And it was a really really hard thing because I have so much love for these guys. I have so much love for these guys, and I really they showed up. But I know I repeat that all the time, but they really did bring some really deep conversations, some great things to the table. And each and every one of these guys, at any other time in my world, in my life, I would be honored to date any one of those guys, and like it would be such an honor to me because they are such great men. So that was a really really hard thing for me to deal with. But on the flip side, my rose was probably standing there that first night when Dale got out of the limo. And when you go into something like this, even though there's thirty one amazing guys there, there could have been. It's only thirty one guys out of this entire world. What if my guy wasn't there? And I would never if my guy wasn't there, I was willing to walk away because I'm happy. At this point in my life, I was established and had everything I'm looking for and just very content in life, and so knowing that he got out a limo and felt like that electricity with each other, it was like when I said I knew it, it was like, it's everything I've ever wanted and waited for and hoped for in my life up from a relationship, that moment where you just feel it and it's mutual. So that was my rose. Guys, both fantastic roses. Hawthorne's this is what I need at this point. You guys, it's been absolutely amazing to talk to you both, and Becca and I want to do it. Cheers to you, guys. So if everybody can grab their drinks, cheers if it's water. We are so happy that the two of you have found one another in this crazy, crazy world and our living proof that it doesn't matter the time, it doesn't matter the circumstance of the year twenty freaking twenty. If it's love, it's love. If you feel it, you feel it. If you connect, you connect, and you know it all can happen. So here's to hope, and here's to taking risks because you never know what's on the other side of it. So cheers to you. Guys to cheers. All right, Rachel, you guys what just what a lovely couple. I'm so excited for them as they continue on this journey. I hope that they find a home. I hope that they make the cutest babies so we can be anst to them. But you know, as as sad as it is to watch another quote unquote season come to a close, we're not done yet because we still got the rest of this seasons, as we saw with a new journey and a new bachelorette with Taita. Finally we can talk about it. I I Becca has felt silly saying allegedly and rumored bachelorette Tasia when we all know that Tasia was going to come at some point in this season. And I'm just so happy that we can acknowledge Tasia, that we have finally seen her acknowledged by the franchise. I get it, though, I do. I get why Claire needed to play out before we brought in Tatia. We need to give respect to Claire and let her do her thing and then fully let Tatia have her moment. I do understand it, but it has been frustrating having an opinion on the whole thing and not being able to speak on Tatia. When we knew a Tasia was coming. I mean, my god, I'm on her season. I sat down with her, so are you Yeah? You know. So it's like, it's just great. We feel so free in this moment. So, you, guys, we have such a treat for you in the next podcast because we're finally getting to talk to Tasia and we're going to talk to her about so much. We're gonna talk to her about some of the questions that you guys have had. We're going to talk to her about how this all came, about, what she was feeling, why she decided to say yes, what it was like coming in after Claire, what she was feeling, what she was excited about but she was fearful about, and what is to come for her. 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