Model Chelsea Opens Up About That Hair Convo with Matt James

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy Hour listeners, and another week here with so much drama that went down, and we continue to I think just like not even see love stories in the show these days. It's all about the girls and the cattiness, which Rachel. I want to take a second to say, like, I don't even want to get into recaps. I don't even want to get into like major moments because I am right now so frustrated with what we saw go down last time, Speak on It, Speak on It, Becca, And I feel like this is the first time that I've walked away from an episode being so disheartened, Like I said, so frustrated. I just feel like I don't like what I'm seeing. I like, I don't like the fact that they're of course like this is about Sure, I understand that there's going to be drama, but it's getting nasty now, and it's getting to be just so dirty between these women, with rumors circulating about somebody actually being an sport that could ruin someone's life. And on the flip side, we have and I don't even want to talk about Victoria that much, but I she's leaving such a bad taste in my mouth with all of her name calling that. I'm like, why, I'm starting to question now why ABC is choosing to show her continuously call these women sluts and horrors and hose because like this now, these words that people are seeing on the screen, I think feeds this narrative of like having people other women, other men, young people watching the show think that that's okay to call women these names. And I'm so frustrated right now. Yeah, it's more like, what kind of audience are you trying to attract? Right when you're highlighting, when this person has as much of a stage as the lead itself, who are you trying to attract to your audience? Is it? I'm confused. I don't even know who it is. I'm with you, Becca, It's very frustrating to watch. There seemed to be great women on Matt season. You know, Matt's a great bachelor. Why are we giving Victoria's so much airtime? And it's like the antics just keep getting worse and worse. Like I swear to god, she would have taken a crown off my head that boxing day would have happened right there in that room, Like you don't touch people like that. It's not funny. It's disrespectful and I just I you know, when we started this, we were like, we don't want to talk about her that much, and I don't want to give her that much. And what I do want our listeners to realize is most people do seem to be feel the same way about Victoria. We're all Katie in this situation, right like, we're all frustrated. We I love that Katie's like, Matt, I want you to approach the women like, take charge and get control of this situation, because that is what a Leeds should do. We don't want to see it anymore. But what you need to notice about Victoria is she can't handle people that are strong. I won't even know. Let me not even give Victoria that Victoria is not a strong person. A strong person does not bulldoze over weaker people. They don't bully them, they don't take advantage of them. That's not what a strong person is. That's an insecure person. That is what we are seeing in Victoria. It has gone beyond humor, it has gone beyond antics. It's just downright mean. And I don't want to see it. You don't want to see it. We don't want to see it anymore. Like, I know, you guys can do better than this. You can give us a better narrative. There's more to see. Who cares if we have a boring season this? It's not like we have Dear Bennett, you know what I mean. Who Yeah, his antics were ridiculous, but he wasn't mean like that. You know it was over the top. It was obnoxious. Sure, but this is just hard and painful to watch. And honestly, you're not doing Victoria any favors because she's becoming so hated. Whether this is her true personality or not, you know what I mean, it's just the most I love Katie approaching her, or her trying to come to Katie and Katie shutting it down. With Katie challenged her, Victoria had nothing to say. Yeah, absolutely nothing to say, honestly, like like and I'm all for somebody to like stir the pot and like give us something. It has crossed the line. I am so over Victoria. I am ready for her to be gone, Like I don't want to see any more of her. And I also want to reiterate the fact that like words have weight and what you choose to how you choose to describe or use adjectives to describe people has weight. And when you continuously tear down other women for no good reason just because you don't like them is not okay. And we've seen it with well now the former leadership of the country, where you use certain words and phrases that trickle down and they have this underlying effect that is nasty and not not okay. And then like I'm ready for it to be gone. Like I've never walked away from this show where I felt like just this like sick feeling in my gut that i've right now when I'm thinking about everything that I watched. Well, so Victoria can go, Matt James, step up, see the bullshit that's going on, and like and like you said, even like he needs to take more initiative even when he's getting interrupted by certain people, like he of course he doesn't know how to navigate this because he hasn't done it before, but like he's four weeks in and like he just needs to stand his ground and step up a little bit more a lot more. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, like come on, let's let's let's create a new narrative here, Like we dealt with the mean Girls situation during Peter's season, like, come on, let's let's bring us something new. We got, we got more more than this. We can do better than this, I mean. And hopefully we have a guest on today which is Chelsea, who we are super excited to talk about. She had a very very big moment in last night's episode, and hopefully she can give us some insight on what it is that we're seeing because she was right there for her in the mix of all of this. And I don't, even, like you said, I don't even want to spend too much time on this recap. You know, the biggest thing I want to highlight is the credits. That's honestly really what I what I came here to talk about the credits. The credits. Did she see the scene where she's um the dance scene? Yes, you guys, I was like, happening, what has happened? This is a sign of the times. Well, this is the sign TikTok dance I am was a fucking TikTok dance. I'm mad about it. I'm just as mad about that dance as I am about Victorian her antics. Oh am gee, now I get you trying to make Maggie feel comfortable. I get that, you know, she said, she liked to dance. You you thought, you know what, maybe I'll do a little one two step boogie for her to get her loosen up. To get her to loosen up, Matt said, I'm going to dance. M I even know which TikTok dance he was doing. I don't because of I don't. It's a it's a it was a rap song. But when he proceeded to do every trendy move, what's the sign of the time? What? What? What's wrong with us? To you guys? The proper thing to do? And then when he finished, when he finished, he goes, that's all I got. That's all you got. But you know that's and you were trying to court this woman, grab her by the hand. That is exactly what I wrote down. She said. She likes to dance the proper, the smooth, the like gq rico suave move, the charming move would have been like, let me take you by the hand, let me pull you in close, and let's just dance to the music that we hear in our heads. I'm a tune you TikTok dance for her? If I were Maggie, I would have yeah, it was was bad, or I would have said, um, at this point, I would like to eliminate myself in the competition. What And I feel like production is trolling Matt, you should have never shown us that never never. I am so upset by this moment. I wish I would have stopped it when the episode was over with it. I can't, I know, really, don't even say something, Rachel, don't stop watching and I regret it. Oh, I can't. I cannot wait for this. Oh, I am so worried. What Van Leathan, my co host, is going to say. I, Oh my gosh, Black Twitter is gonna be so upset. All I'm gonna say is I thought Colton was a bad dancer. I think, Matt James, you may have. I could go on and on about this. I was so upset. One other thing that I wanted to touch on, Okay, two highlights and then we can get going with our guests. Obviously, one was the conversation with Chelsea and Matt about her hair. We're gonna have her on, so we'll get it from her first. But another highlight that I want to touch on is the fact that did you notice. Okay, so obviously five new girls are brought in. One of those new girls got a one on one day with Matt, which you know caused the rift between the women. But on his one on one day with Michelle, I feel like I saw a different side to him, Like he was glowing, Like we haven't seen him have a connection quite like that, I think with the other women, And so it was refreshing to see because I feel like now I can finally start to see Okay, maybe he could see a partner here. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. He seems softer, he seemed lighter. She seems to bring out the best of him, and he seemed to really be into her, but not just in a physical way, like obviously there's a physical attraction, but he really seemed to be drawn to her. And I think it says a lot that he gave her that data off of one conversation when these other women have been there for three weeks. So yeah, if I were the other woman in the house, I would be like, wow, this is one we have to watch. I mean, she just came in here and made an immediate impression on him. I like her, Well, you know what, She's a Minnesota girl just like me, so I knew I liked. I was like, that's my girl, So yeah, I actually do like I hope we have her on at some point, just because you know, I love my Minnesota girls. But I'm like with that, I mean, I think we should just get into it. Unless you had any other highlights or anything that you wanted to get off your chest. I feel like we've been for a while there. No, oh no, you know what to say. This moment takes me back to give it to me. I'm just as angry as when we had Hannah Anne on and you said, who's your dream person to have on the show, and she said Addison Ray, who at the time, I had no idea who that was. And then of course I went down and a deep dark hole researched her. I couldn't believe that your dream guest is a TikTok star, you know what I mean? Like this an't this isn't like dancing with this like a ticktotokn't even dancing with stars. But it's like it's not a this isn't a dance show. You know, this is somebody of a Have we even heard Awe to Ray speak I don't. I don't believe we don't know her past fifteen or thirty seconds. You know what I'm saying, like so upset When I'm saying that ray was doesn't feel about Matt, Do I get TikTok? I can't get over. I closed my eyes and I see him dip. He was so proud of himself. He was very proud. I think he thought Maggie was gonna be like, oh, yeah, I love that dance. No, Maggie was all of us. I would have been so disappointed if I was Maggie. I literally was like my jaw dropped. At first time, I thought it was a joke. And then he kept going and I was like, oh, he's serious about this. Like I said, I would have Matt's back no matter what. I can't have your back on this one. We'll teach them how to sul. I can't have your back on this one. I feel like this is something I say a lot. I usually will I see something that's like a defining moment with someone and I'm like, I know everything I need to know about you. Dare I say, I know everything I need to know. I take took dance. I just do seriousness. He did a TikTok dance. Yeah, yeah, maybe for all future seasons. Whoever you know, picks the leads and get some prepped and ready to go. We need to do it like a little bachelor swooning course for these men. Can somebody out there please put a funny video together of him dancing to just like the most outrageous, random, weird, crazy song with those moves. I just want to see it, like, yeah, like you you wrong. You didn't read the room. Okay, the quarantine crew was not in the room. It was Maggie and you were trying to impress her and you gave her a thirty second TikTok dance. I can't And you know what and with that, you know, you know what? You know who would never do that? You know who would never do that if they had the opportunity, Chelsea, And that's right, it's time for our next guest. We loved her from the moment that we laid eyes on her in the bios. We were intrigued by her. She had a bio like we had never heard. From the corporate world to the runway. Yeah, for the corporate world to the runway, Katie told us last week that she's funny. We obviously know she's fierce, so let's talk to her about everything that is going down up to this point and just talk about the wonderful woman that she is. Please welcome Chelsea. Chelsea, we are so thrilled to have you on again. We have another fan favorite I feel like on the podcast today. So just to start out, but we just want to check in with you. How are you doing? Welcome to the show. How have you been with this pandemic and going from filming and just fill us in on your life. Thank you. I'm really excited to be here and like meet you, meet you back. I've already met you, Rachel. Yes, but I'm doing good. I mean, modeling got really slow for obvious reasons when COVID started, so I kind of took some time to go home to my mom's house in Georgia. So I've been there for the past couple of months, which was amazing and like something I thought I'd never be able to do again in my adult life. Um, So I took a bunch of time after filming and was like hanging out with my family and my niece and nephew and my parents and then I just got back to New York like a week ago. Okay, so you're fresh back there right back. I have to say I did some digging on your Instagram, and even even before the season started, and when we had all the cast bios, Rachel and I were raving about you that you, you know, are this incredible runway model. And right before you came on, I told I told Rachel that I was looking at all of your photos and like you were doing incredible things like you are. Just for anyone listening, please check out Chelsea's Instagram because you weren't just like an Instagram model. You were the real deal, like huge brand deals. You were at Fashion Week like you were crushing it. Thank you. I mean, I'm definitely proud of it. I had some really cool things happened at the beginning of last year, like I was on my first billboard and I was in vow Oh my god, truanted Fashion Week for the first time, Like it was amazing. So yeah, I can't complain. Like we liked my agency that I have in New York, and I was booking some good stuff before COVID run things. Yeah, I mean, how does one and this is really far our listeners too, because we were, as Becca said, we were so into you just from reading your bio, and I mean, I'll admit I was until you danced me. I'm like, oh my gosh, I have met her before, right, But as you explained on this episode, we saw last night like you look different from the last time I saw you, and then it all came back to me and everything, and we'll get all into that, but I think it's so I just love when people can change careers, you know what I mean, in the middle of whatever it is that they're doing. And you went from corporate to the runway. So a little bit about like why you made that decision and then how you were able to make that decision, because that's not something you can do lightly. And so I'm sure there are other listeners who maybe in the same space that you were in when you were in corporate, trying to figure out if you wanted to step into something you were passionate about. Yeah, for sure. I've kind of always had in my mind that I really wanted to be a model since I was little, Like I used to watch America's Act a Model when I was like ten and be like, oh, I'm definitely gonna Betinork. I'm going to do that. And then as far as my career year, like I went to the University of Georgia and I got my degree in fashion merchandising. So either way, I was funny on moving to New York. So when I first moved here, I was working in corporate. I was working at a buying office and deciding what products go in the stores. But it was like always tugging at the back of my mind, Like I was just like, oh, I really want to be modeling. I'm here, like, and I'd try to do it in my spare time, like, oh, I'll go to a casting call here and there. So after a couple of years working corporate, I was kind of just like I didn't like the company I was at, and I was like, okay, either way, I'm going to leave this specific role. But I could either get a new job or I could try to start modeling and like go full on. So I just quit my job and like, you know what, there's a ton of agencies in New York. One of them is bound to sign me. This is my thought process. Obviously I had some money saved. I was like not doing this just blindly. But yeah, after a couple of months of hunting and like trying to find the right agency in the right fit, I signed with the two agencies that I'm with now and then started working more consistently. And yeah, I really it worked out well. It seems like it from everything that I saw on your page, it seems like everything is going very well. Hopefully more to even come once everything kind of goes back to normalcy and the vaccination is around for everyone. But speaking of you know, just jumping in and doing something like totally different, obviously you have been on the show now we've seen you for the past four weeks. First off, I want to say your dress on Night one was stunnan like hands sound favorite dresser, probably one of the favorite dresses I've seen come through the entire franchise. Like you wore that dress, it was incredible. You are the only one who could the only one who could work dress? Did you? And maybe this is just me because like I need all the help I can get dressing myself. Was that something like you went shopping for or did did you like work with the designer? Like how did you find that threat? Yeah, so I was shopping for a month or so like leading up to filming, trying to figure out what I wanted to get at the Limo in um, and then I thought off his signer. His name is a Kai and I actually wore for him in New York fashion like two or three times. Um. But he's amazing and he when I first met him was fifteen, Like the first time I walked in his show, he was fifteen. And then uh, like he was on Project remember Way Junior. He's like a prodigy, and so I thought of him and I was like, oh my god, I wonder if he'll let me borrow a gown for the show. Um. And obviously I couldn't really say what I was doing, but I was just like, hey, I have a thing, Um, I borrow a gown and he's like, yeah, of course. UM. So I was like deciding between the one I chose and then a couple that I had bought, which I ended up wearing later in the roast Everybody's that you've seen so far, but yeah, it was like right before I left, I was like, I think this is the one. And then I got there and everyone was like freaking out over and I'm like, Okay, thank god, I chose this one incredible, it was, Yeah, what made you want to come on the show and how did you get involved with it in the first place. Yeah, I mean I've been a fan for a while, Like I used to watch the show with my mom, but honestly, I really never thought I would be on it myself. But when they announced that it was matchings, that's pretty much what it was for me. Like I was like, oh, like I would actually date him if I just ran into him in New York, you know. So I really applied because it was Matt and also with COVID and everything with modeling being kind of slow, and I was like, I was also at home with my mom during that during the time I applied, and I was just like, you know what, like, let's just see what happened. I think that's great. I think it's great. So let's get into your you being on the show. You know now that our listeners know a little bit more about you and how you you know, you got to where you are. On the show. Last night, we saw you have a conversation with Matt, which uh I loved. I snatched my wig off just for this interview because the conversation that you have. This is a true story. I said, you know what, I'm not gonna wear the we're gonna talk about Harry, We're gonna talk about hair. I we don't get to see well, look back up. A lot of the conversations I feel like we've been able to see in the seasons that have been during COVID have been very meaningful because you're not traveling around from place to place, and Becca and I have talked about this, so you're kind of left with nothing but conversation, which is great because you're trying to figure out if you're going to potentially marry this man or woman whoever's the lead. And when you applied for the show, you had longer hair, and then I believe you cut it off during quarantine. Yes, yeah I did. It was then the summer, okay, during the summer. And so now you come on the show looking absolutely stunning, standing out like nobody else can truly. But you sit with Matt and you're showing pictures of herself to show you're sitting with Matt and you're showing pictures of yourself to show what you look like. You know before you cut your hair off, and you explain to him why you did that and how you used to fill before and maybe some insecurities that you may have felt, and basically the black woman struggle. And I loved that this conversation was on air, and I just want to know from your perspective, because I'm sure that was probably a little nerve racking for you to talk about because you didn't know how that was going to receive it, and you don't know how the audience is going to receive it. So if you can please take us through that thought process of why that was so important for you to have that conversation about black women and their hair. Yeah, I think that as women, and especially as Black women, like so much of our self worth is tied to our hair. And I don't know if a lot of people realize that or understand that, especially as far as Black women go. And it was I mean, it was just a really big deal to me. So that's obviously something that I wanted to share with somebody that I you know, I'm potentially going to end up with my partner. And I just think also so many people like I, like I said, I've watched the show since I was younger, and there haven't been that many black contestants or hasn't been a black bachelor lead. Nobody's going on. They're talking about their hair journey, and I think that some people might have hopefully they don't anymore, but might see it as trivial because it's like, oh, it's just hair, and like even for a while I felt like that, like I felt like it wasn't important enough for me to bring up like two people, or it was it like, uh, big enough of an insecurity to be like valid um, And then it wasn't until I shaved it all, like I decided to shave it off that I realized how important it was and how much of an effect it had on me um, because it was just such a librating experience to be like I'm gonna let that go. I'm there and I'm not. I don't need hair to be feminine, I don't need hair to beautiful. I don't even care to be like attractive to men. Like it's just it was just such a liberating thing. And now I feel like I just feel it even more like myself, even though I've never had a shaved head, but somehow I feel more like myself without hair. So oh yeah, I'm tearing up. No, it's it's it's really it's it's such a They're gonna be so many black women who are going to reach out to you about being brave enough to have conversation because for our listeners, what you don't understand with black women in the pressure there's a lot of pressure for us to fit a European, European standard of beauty, and that means processing our hair, straightening our hair, wearing extensions, wearing wigs. And we've been programmed for so long that our natural beauty isn't beautiful, and it is. And here you are, in your natural state, representing yourself as a black woman and showing that that's beautiful and it is beautiful. And I want you to talk a little bit too about Matt's response to what you said, because I thought it was great. Yeah, I mean when I was showing him the pictures, he's like, I think he looked beautiful both ways. Obviously a great thing for God to say, but he was really receptive to it. And I feel like, just based on our kind of upbringings, like I'm from like a little suburb in Georgia and he's from like somewhere Samoire in North Carolina, and we both grew up in places that were predominantly white, Our schools were predominantly white. So I just felt like it was nice to know that he could relate. And he also said that he like he used to have a furrow and he shaved it off, and that people said that he was more approachable afterwards. And it's just like even black men have the same issues with when it comes to hair. Um. But it was it was really nice. I loved his free couldn't have gone better in my in my head, I planned it. But yeah, like you said, I was kind of like a little bit nervous to bring it up. But and can I just good about it? And yes, and and and for the listeners too. Why is also probably scary for you to go in there and have that conversation is because there is also I've experienced this. I don't want to speak for you. I don't know if you have, but where there are are a lot of black men who put that pressure on you as well to have your hair looking a certain way. And so you might not have known how Matt was going to respond to that, And he responded in the best way. Girl. He opened eye kissed you, which is what you know? I said after that conversation, I was like, if Chelsea doesn't get this group day row, something's not added up here. Um. Have you guys ever heard the song hair by Lady Gaga where she's like, I'm as free as my hair, Ma, I'm gonna send it to you after because I feel like this India Ari has has has the black version. I am not my hair, Yes, yeah, just a moment. Well, and I will say too, especially I mean, like, obviously I'm a white woman. I grew up in a predominantly small white town in Minnesota. And yeah, it wasn't I think really until like getting to know Rachel better and talking to you a little bit more about your hair and how you changed it for different shows that I think it's playing along to what you're saying is like, it's such a good conversation to have for people who don't even like know what women in general have to go through, but then black women, like I hope that anyone watching that conversation last night took something away, you know, in a good way to be like, oh my gosh, I didn't even think about like how much you do you know? Put into your hair and how it makes you feel a certain way. So kudos to you. I love that you say you feel more like yourself now, Like that's just for any woman to say that. It's such a beautiful thing. I want to know because obviously that's a scary thing to share on a date with somebody. You know, you probably don't lead on a first date with that kind of conversation, let alone leading it on national television in front of millions. Was there any part of you, you know, obviously this was filmed a while back, but knowing that it was going to air in this moment, was there any part of you that was nervous or hesitant or were you just like, this is me and I own it and I can't wait to share this with the world. Obviously. I mean I'm a little nervous when any episode airs, just because I'm like, oh, I don't know, But for this specific thing, I was really excited for it to air, just because I feel like I've gone through the emotional work already myself to get to this point. So right now where I'm at, I'm just like excited to celebrate it and like let other people know about it. I'm not nervous about it anymore. Like it's like I can't it's something I can hide. I just walk around proudly. It's like, okay, here's my shaved head. So I was more excited for everyone to see it. And like I said, I used to watch this show and like, I never imagine this conversation or anyone being on here talking about it. So like all the black girls at home, I can relate. I'm happy that you know, it'll resonate with them. And then like even everybody else, like my white friends are anybody that just doesn't know. That's just like never had to think about these things. Like I'm just happy that everyone can see it. Can I ask you one more question? Because I just had the vision and I'm such a I'm such an animated person. I just had this vision that she was just sitting in her room during quarantine, and like, were you staring at yourself in the mirror and you just took the scissors and you just did the big chop or did you take the razor and you just go back and then you were like, oh my god, what did I do and I have to keep going? Or did you just simply make an appointment and go to the bar shot shake it off. I Okay, here's what happens. I am really bad at doing my own hair, so I've been going to the hair salon like every two weeks for my lady that I trust now, so I let her handle it. Quarantine happened. My hair salons closed, I didn't have anyone to my hair, and I was just like, you know what, forget this, I'm going to shave it off. So I bought some cliff fers on Amazon and I shaved it off my bathroom with my roommate. With your roommate, yah, she also you should post pictures of or maybe you already have and I might not know, but yeah, like that's that's awesome. Yeah, I love that with the back and we shaved it off in the bathroom, so, oh my gosh, I would have loved to see this. Yeah, pictures, video, footage, whatever you have, please share with us because I'm sure everyone love to check it out. So going back to this conversation with Matt, obviously you said he responded in the best way possible for that conversation, But what is it in general that you're most attracted to with Matt? I really like that Matt is super genuine. And I've said this like to him and many times, but like he just it doesn't matter who he's talking to or like even when I saw some of his other relationships with the other girls, Like it sounds weird to say, but you could tell just like how genuine he was and how present he always was. Like I'm sure as you and Rachel both know how hard it is it must be to be the lead, and he was just always so president with each and every one of us and like made us feel so great. So yeah, he just seems authentic and genuine and present all the time. And that's like something I don't take for granted. Ye ask all the girls this, And we always talked about him kissing with the eyes open? How is he as a kisser? He was a good hisser. Everyone says he's good. I just like want some dirty like juice one of these days. I think with the general consensus he's a good kisser. I'm just gonna stop asking this question. Okay, let's talk about some people who don't come across as genuine. Since you said Matt is genuine, let's just take let's take a sharp lest turn. So last week, Bachelor Nation was up in arms and not about Matt, not specifically about Sarah, but about the group of women in the house except for Katie. People were teamed Katie. I have usually received a lot of DMS about like mess like Rachel, are you going to call this person out? Or Rachel, shut your mouth, you talk too much. It's like one extreme or the other. But I received a lot of dms about bullying. Okay, that was the word, which is another word people in fatination love to use a lot. But the word was bullying and it was mainly in reference to the conversation that the group of women had with Sarah. It was like the house versus Sarah. You were there, you were in the middle of it. I would love to hear your take on what happened. I mean, I don't know how long that conversation was. And I'll be honest, it looked bad. It looked really bad. Yeah, I mean, it obviously was a longer conversation and situation than was shown. I mean two hour episode that it was days of of what am I trying to say? It was days of conversations that happened, and it was all shown in like a ten minute couch combo. I think that bullying is not a word that people should be using so lightly. I don't think that's what was happening personally from where I was sitting. I think it was more of the rest of the house trying to figure out what was going on from Sarah. And you know, we obviously weren't aware of the conversation that she had with Sarah. I mean with Katie upstairs, we only knew about her interrupting the group date in her feeling like she needed to talk to Matt. So it was more of us trying to get information. I can't speak for any of the other girls, but that's where I was coming from with it. Did anyone other than Katie try at any point in that week when they kind of knew, you know, Sarah was in her head and hiding in her room and potentially wanting to go home? Yeh, Did anyone else try to approach her and have a conversation, Because I think for the viewers and at least for me personally, it was really I think the part that was hard to swallow was that it felt like one against everybody. Yeah, and we did see the conversation with Katie private separate, which I wish that more girls would have done, and maybe we just weren't privy to that. But did anyone else try to pull her aside or have a conversation with her? I actually don't know the answer that. I wasn't really super close with Sarah, so I personally didn't speak to her individually, but there might have been another girls I did. But it definitely it wasn't it wasn't malicious. It didn't I know, it didn't come off looking still great TV. It never does when it's a group against one person. But it wasn't an attack. We were very much trying to attack the problem and not the person. Yeah, And I mean Sarah's a crier, right, so like it's hard to when all those people are saying something and then she's crying, and you know, it's just the whole presentation. Just look off and listen. I'm no stranger to calling people out myself. I just think it was more of like, you know, maybe if people pulled her to the side, And I think maybe what was the nell and the coffin was what's the blonde, curly haired girl's name, j MJ? And I think what the Nell and the coffin was was when MJ when she tried to pull if Ja to the side. MJ was like, nah, I think the second and it was like, oh gosh, that was it for her. She didn't have anybody left. I mean, I guess she thought MJ was her one friend. MJ was like, nah, not today, not today, Sarah. But okay, and I think and I want to kind of stay along this theme of like what I have written down in my notes as the mean girl mob. Okay, not saying that you're a mean girl, just there just seems to be it's not you, okay, So I just want to be particular. It just seems that that is the theme that is trying to or the narrative that is trying to be pushed here. Okay, I'm not calling you out. It just seems like there's like and we saw during Peter season two. I don't know if this is something new. I don't like it if it is, because all of Peter's girls seem to get along quite well, but we saw that there was like this mob of mean girls, and it seems like here we are getting the same thing again. And so obviously the drama didn't end last week, once Sarah left, we see a new crop of girls come in. There's so much drama, truly that went down last night between what I guess everyone's calling like the Ogs or the Varsity squad versus the new Girls. And for you, you seem like you're still a bit removed from the drama. You know, like there are there are a few people in the show who are like very much stirring the pot, who are in the drama, causing the drama, like name calling. You don't happen to be one of them. But of course, like you are part of the OG group. You've been there since night one. And so what were your thoughts when every when everything went down when the new girls came in, and then the rumor also that was circulating about Brittany once she was there. Yeah, so when the new girls came, I was like if the first thought was, wow, what we did already have a rose? Yeah, girl was kind of just like you could just get back sick that dirty martini swirling if you wanted to. I was very very happy that I had a rose at that time. Um, but obviously, I mean, just my character, I'm not somebody who tries to insert myself in drama. I'm very much like, do you I'm going to worry about myself. So when the new girls came, I'm kind of like they they didn't choose this. I think if they had chosen, they probably would have wanted to come at the same time as us. So I had no issues with them. I wasn't holding anything against them. I was kind of just like, hey, I'm Chelsea, like welcome, yeah, And that was my say. I mean, I'm not like I can't control it. I'm not going to be upset about it. I'm just gonna keep trying to focus on myself in my relationship with Matt. So there does oh do you want to follow? Keep going rich? Sorry? So there does seem to be this this narrative, this ongoing narrative that they are a bunch of mean girls, which I've noted as the mean girl mom. Not saying you're a part you are a mean girl. It's just we saw it last year with Peter season. Now we're seeing it again in Matt's season, and um, I don't know, as viewers, people aren't really a fan of it. You know, people don't really want to see that because the beauty of part of this journey is also the friendships that you have. I get it, Um, if I had been in one of the Originals and I saw New Girls. Aunt, that's tough. That's paradise. Okay, you sign up for that in Paradise. You'll sign up for that on the bathslip. So it's it's tough. It's tough to see. By the way, if you're friends with Hannah, please let her know that o G stands for Original Gangster and not Original Girls, which is what she said. I said, Oh God, somebody get Hannah. Oh jeez, get away Anna, Hanna. I was like, who's Hannah. See? I know I'm gonna stick with Hannah because she said original girls. She she got that wrong. I'm gonna get Anna. Excuse me, no apologies, Anna, Anna Anna. Um. There's this there's this scene where it's you guys are on the nighttime portion of a group day, and it seems like m J and um is it just Senia? Yeah, MJ, Justinia, you Katie are all sitting there and you're talking about Piper as well, and you're talking about the women who are the new the new Girls, and you're kind of like laughing, and the girls are, you know, like MJ's kind of talking about, you know, we're the varsity and they're them and you're laughing, and it just paints this whole narrative of like this mean girls, and I just like maybe want you to give some context behind what it was we were watching in that scene, because it was tough. It plays into this narrative that we're seeing on Matt's season. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a fan of the narrative either, and I really don't think it's accurate. I think what you're seeing and what everyone's seeing is just us trying to process what's happening. Like this isn't the day after we got there and there's new girls coming in, Like we've already formed relationships with Matt, we've already formed relationships with each other. It's also just a lot just being in this isolated, you know, bubble. You don't have your friends, you're on your family, Like there's a lot going on, and we were just we're just talking to each other like about new girls are coming. You know, It's it's like a I don't know, I don't want to say a threat, but it's just like it just it just it was defeating because it felt like we we're going somewhere, you know, we're moving along, We're getting a little bit more time to spend with Matt, there's less girls, row ceremonies are happening, and then it just felt like five steps back because it's like, Okay, people that we had been with since the beginning went home last week, and then now we have five more. So it was just it was just a lot What did you think about Katie's point though, because obviously Katie was taking it the way that the audience sees it, and Katie kind of stands up to you guys and it is like listen, you know, but they are here, so we all kind of have to get along. And it almost makes you think, like, well, how would you feel it's not those girls fault that they had to stay longer. You know, I'm sure they would have loved to have been there the first night. You know, they're kind of at a disadvantage coming in, you know, not as the beginning, not knowing what you guys have was Matt. So what did you think about what Katie had to say in that moment, because she seemed to be the only one thinking that, Yeah, I mean, I don't think she was the only one thinking that. I think that that was kind of where I stood as well. Like I wasn't holding anything against the new girls. I tried to be as welcoming as I could. I understood that this wasn't a situation that they wanted to be in. They didn't choose it. And again, I was just trying to like focus on my relationship with Matt what I could control, and you know, I wasn't. I didn't go I went out of my way to be nice to them because I'm yeah, I didn't. I didn't want them to feel ostracized, like I put myself in their shoes, and I'm like, if I came in, it's just no matter how confident you are, it's hard. It's just tough to come into a group of women and be like, Okay, I'm here and everyone hates me. Like it's just it's hard to do. So I tried to be like, I'm like, you guys can talk to me whenever, like I'm not yes, I was here first, but I'm not like somebody that you can't. I'm not ripping somebody's crown off their head, right, which is which is a simple assault. Legally, it's the definition of a simple assault. I just want to put that out there, which I get into and and I would ask anyone that we had any guests on UM on the podcast, but obviously we have you this week, Victoria. And I've said a lot about her in my recap with Rachel Priority coming on. But Victoria at this point, like it's not even entertaining. She's not funny to me, she's not enjoyable to watch. I have so many thoughts on her, But it seemed like from what we saw, Katie was the only one who had ever called her out and stood up to her and said anything like but watch all of this go down, and her behavior just like continuously tears women down over and over in her actions in her words, Like did anyone else other than Katie stand up and say like, hey, you're in the wrong, or you shouldn't say this, you shouldn't be doing this, like look at it from a different way. Did anyone else call Victoria out on any of her bullshit? Yeah, it wasn't just Katie. Like if Victoria said anything to me or to I don't know any any of us that we didn't feel was cool, Like I had no problem calling her out, which the girls. Yeah, it just it wasn't. I don't know. I think maybe she didn't specifically come for certain people that she knew absolutely back, Yeah, I mean absolutely, like she didn't come for me because she knew that probably wasn't a good idea, absolutely knell on the head. She goes after who she can she can bulldoze over of a mean girl in high school. Yeah, I don't. I mean I personally, I have no problem with Victoria. First, like, I don't agree with many things that she said and done, but I don't. I don't think she's a bad person. I think she just she answer. She is a lot to say about her pedal savement. So last week, though, we had Katie on the podcast and we played a little game with her, and she had mentioned that you were actually one of the funniest people that she knew in the house. And so, how did you manage, like, throughout all of this craziness and the drama and the new girls coming and people going, and the tears and the name calling, how did you manage to still stay positive, still have this funny attitude in such a stressful environment. And how did you manage to you know, like you, I mean you say you don't want to get involved in other people's business, but still stay out of that drama because I feel like it's like right now just this black hole sucking everyone in. I mean, I have always been such a girls girl, Like I wasn't in a sorority or anything, but like my girlfriends that I have from high school and college are like the world to me. So I was just I love hanging out with other amazing, beautiful, strong, powerful women. So I was just kind of focusing on that and like us spending time together and we weren't on dates and stuff and just like building out friendships. And then I was journaling a lot to get all my feelings out stay sane. But yeah, that's I don't know, I'd like to consider myself a decently positive person. So I was kind of just trying to focus on myself, trying to stay away from the crazy drama. I knew it's kind of like it'll pass, So that was my mind. That's so good to hear. Did you really crazy in the hotel? Like? Were you guys allowed to go outside and take walks and be in nature and get fresh air? The actual house that we were staying out was so beautiful and like I don't think they've show in the backyard too much, but it was just like a huge pool on a JACUZI and like we could walk a little bit um and then just the scenery with it being like fall in Pennsylvania, like it was stunning. Um. So I however, I felt like too crazy, I would just go for a walkout died or something. Um, But it wasn't It wasn't too bad, I think. I mean, I heard the Bachtlor mansion it's a little more tight. So I was grateful for what we had. Baschlor mansion sucks, don't You don't think you missed anything by being by not saying the Bachelor mansion. It's just a regular old dishwater doesn't work. That doesn't work. You're going apart. I would have rather been at Nimicolon. Yeah, it was beautiful, but then I would have wanted to leave though and try that. I'm sorry. I ought to get to experience that. I am glad to hear that you guys got along. That's nice to hear. We had an Abigail on the show and she said you guys were friends, so It's nice that there is a friend group because I was gonna say, are y'all even friends? Do you follow each other? Is the group chat? Does the group chat even exist? He doesn't do y'all have a group chat? Okay, She's gonna say, well, we know you do. We talk about it all the time on the podcast chat. Yeah, we know you do. There's no shame in that. Who are you? I adore some of the girls. Who who Who were you closest with? And who did your room with? So Eleana was my roommate and she went at the second Roost ceremony, so that was excited to see her go um and then Piper Serena, see Abigail, that's who I was like? Three who I was like closest within the house? And Rachel? I love Rachel too. Them all that's good. I mean, listen, we love to see it. How do you think you would have done on the boxing day? Uh? I wait? I was were you on the back to day? Did you hear somebody? No, my partner decided to take in me. Who was your partner? Was? Who was that? MJ? All that talking MJ's doing and she don't have any hands to back it up, she's like bark and noa I'm surprised, Oh my gosh, she does not believe in fighting. Honestly, Like the date, we were all kind of uncomfortable with the date because it's like just the idea of it, Like, Okay, a bunch of women are gonna go fight over a guy like that was kind of like to me, y'all do that every day. That's what Y'll sign up for fighting every day. Not every day, but like basically hating people and the like over I just it was but um, yeah, I m J decided she didn't want to fight, and I was the one she was supposed to fight someone by default items fight either. Were you happy about were you ready to get some aggression out? No? I was not that I didn't want to fight. I'm not a fighter. Yeah, who got next? I have somebody. But I'm surprised that they didn't. Like I thought that the production some way, somehow was going to pit the ogs as you guys call themselves ourselves with the new girls like, which I'm glad they didn't because that would think that would have ended terribly, like terribly somebody would have been going to the hospital. But um, but yeah, I'm surprised. I feel like they're pulling out all the stops in this season, so it's like I feel like that would have been fitting. Um, so so far, what are we in week four? I want to say, what are you without giving too much away but still giving us some sort of tea. What are you most excited for the audience to still see the season? Um? I mean I'm like, as someone who has been previously in the audience, like I love for people to see the love stories. Like I'm excited for the audience to stop seeing the drama, for that to go away and people to actually get to see us having conversations with Matt and us having good conversations with each other. Like I want people to see the Roman. We want that too, so bad. We want the love story, not the drama. Yeah, I live for it absolutely. Um. Okay, we're down to our last question, which I this is Becca's question, so I always passed the baton to her to ask, Well, I think bad do you ever want to ask it? You? No? Like? Like, no, It's like Becca, it's really cute, and Becca, you came up with it, at least in my mind, you came up with it. So I'm always like, Becca, ask your question. I actually did, but I'm giving it to you. Answer, well, yes, Chelsea. We always ask every guest that we have on what was your rose and what was your thorns thus far in this season, So basically your highlight and your low light that we've seen or maybe that we haven't seen that you that you just really enjoyed or hated a summer thorn. I think that would be the first group date with the wedding dresses and the capture the heart, because I was already so uncomfortable, Like obviously I've never been on a date with that many people before. It was like the biggest group date in Bachelor history. So I was just super uncomfortable all around. I'm not like a person who goes out of their way to try to like stand out when there's a bunch of other big personalities in the room. Like my mentality is kind of like, okay, well if you want me, like I'm here, I'm not gonna like be extra and try to get somebody's attention. So I was just super uncomfortable. And then we had to go in the woods and it was so cold, and then my team lost, so we didn't get to get time with Matt, So that was that was a rough one. That was thorn um. And then my rose would be getting the group date Rose like, that was a great date. And then I loved having my conversation with Matt and you know, getting the validation and getting that open eyed kiss. Yeah, girl, that's how you know he's stilled the deal. That's how you know, Chelsea. It's been so great to talk to you. I mean, we we were definitely on the top of our list, one of our favorites. Um and you're just as great, if not even better in person. So thank you so much for stopping by Bachelor Happy Hour. We can't wait to see what else happens the season. How far you go not looking forward to the drama? Or are you friends with the escort? What escort? I was just trying to slide that in there. You know, I made his this is it? It's crazy for her, absolutely doesn't it's even if it's true, don't bring that up, you know what I mean, Like, it's it is so outrageous. I don't even care if it's true. It's just like, wow, if that was a rumor that was started about me, and please give perspective on this, Chelsea, because you were right there. If that's a rumor that was started about me, how do you get past that? Do you know what I mean? Like the moment those words are spoken, you know if that is going to be your entire narrative, even before the show is aired, you know that that's going to happen. Chelsea with the inside scoop from inside nimicolon what happened, I mean, it was definitely a tough spot to be in, especially when you know Brittany had just gone into the house. There was already og versus whatever, a drama, and then she got that thrown into the mix too, So I don't envy her. It was. It was a hard place to be but yeah she hands it like a champ. Yeah she handled it. But I don't know what was harder, waiting and quarantine those extra days only to go home then at the roast ceremony that night, or what happened to Brittany. That's her name, right, Brittany. Well, Britta, definitely Brittany because now it's going to stick with her for the rest of her life. And let's be honest, Bachelor Nation fans and people like who are so into the show, like that's all they're going to remember her as. And it's so sad. It's like that should not have been any sort of storyline in my mind, like that shouldn't have even been here at all. But um, I guess we'll just have to wait and see next week what happens with that. But yes, Chelsea, it has been an absolute pleasure having you on. Thank you for joining us at Bachelor Happy Hour. Hopefully we can have you back one day. Yeah, I'm so happy I got to be here and talk to you. Oh Chelsea, I like her and I'm glad, like I feel like she's not somebody that we're getting to see a ton of up until this, you know, last night's episode. So I'm glad that we can have her on and pick her brain more about what actually went down because there was so much and to get an inside scoop. And I'm really glad with the fact that she can confirm that, like the girls for the most parts, still all get along and the drama can hopefully be left in the past. Yeah, I mean, we'll see it. Sounds like there's a lot more to come. It seems like Chelsea stays out of the drama, which is probably why we haven't seen her up until now, and she had this big conversation with Matt, but yeah, she was. She was good about not giving us too much. So like the rest of you, we're just gonna have to stay tuned and watch. Yes, I can't wait to see what keeps happening. I mean, it's been a crazy season so far. So thank you guys once again for hanging out with us. We'll keep these recaps and also keep these amazing guests coming. So keep watching Matt season with us. Right to us, let us know what you want us to cover, who maybe you want us to be chatting with next. You can always find us at Boucheler Happy Hour on Instagram and at Badge Happy Hour on Facebook and Twitter. All right, guys, we have grocery store Joe on here to tell us what we can expect to hear on Clickbait this week. Thanks again, Becca, we have a great new episode of Clickbait out right now. We talked to one of Bachelor Nation's favorite alum and host of Country Shine on Spotify, Graham Bun, and we test his knowledge on both Bachelor Nation and the Country World with a new game we like to call Hot Cross Buns. 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