Pieper on Her Connection with Matt, Her Insecurities, and How She Stayed Away from All that Drama

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Speaker 1: What up? Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, Welcome back. We got a jam packed episode for you guys today, because last night's episode was jam packed. We had blasts from the past, Heather, Martin, Tyler Cameron, a two on one or the conclusion of it, We had a one on one. We somebody went home unexpectedly. I don't even know where to start. Well, I'll start with this. We've got a great guest on today like we always do, and today we're having on Piper James. We saw her, she had her romantic carnival date, her one on one. Finally she's been itching for it, all of the ladies have, and so we're going to talk to her about those details, talk to her about some things that went down and last night's episode, and hopefully get a better understanding of what we have going on here. Becas, what did you think about last night's episode? Like overall? Overall? I mean like I was watching four different episodes wropped up into one because like you said, we and we started with the end of a two on one rose ceremony. Then we get into the dates. Then we have blasts from the past. Heather comes back and causing him cool at a start. It was just it was a lot like I think, I'm starting to realize this a view where I need a proper start, middle, and end, and we haven't gotten that, I feel like at all this season. Same with last season, and so it's it's a struggle. But I mean, we should just get into some of our main highlights because I have a bone to pick with Matt and I'm just gonna start it with this. This happened in the middle of the episode, but he sent our girl Katie home. He sent her home, and you know what, I love Katie so much that like this was the first one where I was like, oh, do you think he ever thought he made a mistake? Like I still wanted her back. But that's just me personally, because you know, Shaker, I love Katie, Katie for Bounce. I'll say that till the day I die. But um, let's just start. I guess going back to the top of this two on one, wait, is the bone of pick is that he sent Katie home. Yes, Becca compare, Katie was friend zoned from the moment she brought the vibrator. That is true. I bet if we had asked Katie this question. She has a history of being friend zoned. And I'm not saying that she's because because she can hang with the guys. And I'm saying this from a person myself who like used to be the master of friend zoning herself because you're just so cool that people can't see the romantic side. There was nothing romantic right right right? Actually agreement now because I remember at one point and this I thought it in another episode two. I think when she first went to him and was like, there's really toxic behavior happening. Talk to the girls about that. And then and right when they got together on their date, like there, I don't think they ever kissed. We never once saw them kiss. I don't even know if really really truly saw them hugged that much they kissed on this one. I think they kissed before they kissed on this date. And I'm like you when they did it, I was like, huh have we seen this before? That's weird. Total he brode her out. I mean, my god, he brought her like. He was way more into Tyler on that date than he was with I'm gonna go I have a massage. He was Tyler has been his favorite date. He has been more into Tyler than he has been with any of the women. The joy, not happiness that I know we're jumping around, but the pure joy on Matt James's face. We saw all his teeth, his mouth with smile was to his ears. He was rolling over laughing. I meant, yes, it's one thousand percent. He was more excited to see Tyler. But when he went in from that massage, but like, he went in so nicely, it was trying to be intimate. He was washing his hands and I was like, oh, I feel like I'm watching a little bit too much. And then when he went in to hug Matt, all I could think about was like, you're gonna get all this uh oil. I was gonna just say, lou but it's oil on your sweater. I was like, don't do that. Carrie Putman, We'll have a bone to pick with you too, Sir. Did you notice that he can't wink When he's telling Katie what he's about to do, he wink, he bats both eyes and I rewound it to make sure. I said, oh my god, Matt James can't wink. He's like it's the only time he closes his eyes as if he's trying to wink. I listen. I was shocked. I was like, oh my gosh, he was like trying to like be coy, like I got a little something up my sleep and he like winked both. By God, that kid watch it. I want everyone to be watching Rachel do this too, because as you do it, you like turtle up with your shoulders too. It's like a full body reaction. Oh, think of all the memes that are going to come out with this. Fun can't wait, But I think, yeah, I will. Okay, since we're on the topic of this one on one date, I would have loved this date. There would be behind the scenes to be just like messing with somebody, not romantic at all, but so much fun. It would be fun. But if you're Katie, you've got to see the riding on the wall. He like, there was nothing romantic about that date. Right. Maybe she didn't think she was gonna get sent home, but she definitely wasn't going to get a rose at the at the next rose ceremony. Right. It was such a missed opportunity to to not bring out the vibrator and put it on like Tyler's back during this massage really put it somewhere to start hearing it vibrate that that's actually a really good idea. There were a lot of miss moments. I thought they're laughing so hard. Did they do things that were just too hot for TV? Because her rolling on Tyler's head is not funny to me? Where is the like once we got to the nipples, there was nothing else there, Like there could there could have been so many other things. I felt like they could have done and make this more spicy or for Tyler to have like a bigger reaction to. And Tyler totally liked. When she was like, oh, he's hotter in person, Tyler looked up like, yeah, I am. It wasn't even disturbed that the woman was talking about him. He was like, that's right, go go run tell that to everybody else. And then she just keeps turning his head and putting it back in this doughnut. I mean, look, if they can do a whole erotic book speaking day talking about everyone's deepest, darkest fantasies, they could have gone a little bit more balls to the walls. Yeah, she could have been like can you remove your towel? You know, like at this point we've reached the point in the massage where it's time for you to remove your towel, you know, like just something wild. I'm just picturing now Phoebe from Friends when she's giving somebody a massage and she bites the butt. Okay, that probably would have been a little bit illegal, but okay, but she's we have no more bachelor, badchelorette ladies and gentlemen. That was the end of the show. Like, there's so many things. Okay this point, you feed me strawberries. Okay, now we're gonna put the chocolate syrup, like I don't know there was whipped cream, so miss opportunity. There were so many things that could have been done. Yeah, so that's your bone to pick with Matt. That makes sense. I mean, like I get it. We like Katie, but Matt didn't like her in that way. But you know what, even when he sent her home, he said something that I don't think any lead maybe from what I can remember, has said to somebody as he goes, like I loved our time together. But I know, like how like how did he word it? Like how much you mediated and brought to the group of women, which I appreciated to like he recognized how she you know, like would say in her ground and have these hard, weird confrontations with some of the girls. But like still, I mean, like from what I saw, try to keep up the morale and like stop the trash talking house the time. So I liked how he actually was attentive to that part about it. You know how I read that, thank you, Katie, your services are no longer needed here. I have cleaned house. I have cleaned house, I've gotten rid of the drama, and you are no longer needed. That's how I read that moment. Oh, sometimes this is why I love doing this with you. I really was like wow, Like, yeah, I'm gonna give you this one on one to get you out the house to thank you for your services, to have a little fun, but it's time for you to go home. Rachel. On your season, did you get rid of anyone on a one on one date or was it all during rose ceremonies? M No, I got rid of people on group. Yes, I got rid of Jackstone. Oh about what? Yes, Jackstone. For those of you who are not can't see that that was me imitating him. We all remember that. Look, okay, Jackstone, I got rid of on one on one and I got rid of people on group dates. Okay, well Kenny wasn't gonna get rid of it was a mutual thing because of his daughter. M Yeah, I'm trying to think. I thinking about I didn't get rid of one guy on a one on one date. I come to them all. Really, it was only on the group dates and at the rose samonies. I think it's because, like I was, I really wanted to invest my time in guys that I liked, and also I just probably was too nervous to like actually not give them a rose. I don't know. No, you're nice, You're so much. You know, you're like you said, a balance here, a ballance here. You know what. I want to create a new segment on this show, and it's gonna be called read the Room, whether you were able to read it or not. And the person that I would like to throw into this who did not read the Room properly is Serena See. Oh yeah, Serena See gets the award for not being able to read the room. There's a lot of these girls, but today this episode is Serena See. And I'll tell you why you have seen Victoria Anna. Who else am I missing m j all go home because of the drama that they created unnecessarily, especially at this point in the journey. Yet you decide, you know what, I'm gonna stir some shit up, as if you didn't see all of these other people go home, you see that Matt isn't playing games anymore, and you just start to cause unnecessary drama with a person you know is really not about the drama, but about letting Matt know he needs to handle drama in the house. I mean, were you not sitting here at the moment saying Serena, this can't end well for you in no way? Like girl, you know you got the rose at the end of the rose ceremony to do this shit, and you still did it. And so I feel like that's so much of these some of these women and the conversations, Like I keep using the words bizarre and delusional because I truly like, as if viewer, things don't add up to me. And so watching her confront Katie and basically blaming her for everything that's happened up until this point, for like things Katie hasn't even done, I'm like, did I miss something? Like there's such a disconnect and you know, like maybe it's a little bit of editing, but it's just like, girl, you're pulling something from a week or two ago that you're mad at now and now you're just confronting Katie about it. It's just, I mean, something's not added up. I just truly don't get it. She had to have known you got that rose to do this. Literally, this was your sole purpose, and somehow you fell for it. Somehow you felt it was necessary for you to bring drama back into the house. How do you not see yourself ate the room? How do you not see yourself as a mean girl at this point? How do you not see yourself as a pot stir? Like? Why are you not focused on Matt and the fact that you really don't have a relationship with him at least from what I can see at this point. It just makes no sense these like where is this awareness and the and like the whole conversation obviously, that was probably one of the most heated conversations we've seen between two of the women. But when when she's then talking about Katie with the group of women, the part that didn't make sense to me is then Katie comes in and Serena se basically said, well, you said like you're not here for Matt. And Katie's like when in the conversation did I say that what exactly full out liar full like the people not either she lies or well she did lie and she just or she just didn't remember what she said, or like I don't know, I can't make any excuses for her. I just I don't I don't understand why in that moment she didn't think this information was going to come back. You do realize this is being filmed and recorded, right right? Yeah, Well that's what I keep thinking with all these women and at one point two, like I remember being lead. You know, there's a lot that you miss that you're not privy too when you're not constantly in the house with the group of men, well for in our case men, but this case women. But when there was something major enough like I would get snippets like I was still aware a little bit of what was going on, like who was causing issues, And so I'm just surprised that Matt hasn't had any of that up until this point really with any of the women. Had it not been for Katie exactly or just Senia, who you know said MJ's name, but yeah, it just yeah, maybe yeah, maybe because Matt's like brand new to all of this. His journey is way different from what we've experienced. But it's just not adding up. We should add this read the Room segment and do a pull on Instagram each week. Yeah, with the viewers have to say absolutely, I apologize you guys. I can't believe that I just said I was nominating Serena se When there's one person who can't just not read a room, I don't. I don't even know what to call it. Read like society. I I don't even know. I'm at a loss of words here because I am completely lost as to why a white minivan pulled up to a gate and out pops with a smile, a full face of makeup, hair done, probably a brand new outfit. Heather Martin, Um, she didn't read the room, so she gets she gets to go into this as well before we before we get into that, is there anything you wanted to say about the two on one? I just I mean, I live watching it again, like this is something I keep saying. It didn't like it was the most random two on one to me. I was like, how are both of these two women here? Um, but kind of playing back to your point. The entire time, I kept thinking MJ, like, people are gonna watch this back, Matt's gonna watch this back. We're gonna see what kind of conversations and what words were being had coming out of your mouth that like, you're not really like owning up to the things that you've said in the past. It just didn't make sense. So honestly, like I I wanted MJ to go home and that in that case, which she did. Becca, what were your thoughts? Oh? I was over them, Like I forgot. I was like, oh, we picked off here, Like when are you going to send MJ home or not? You know he did. I was done with it. I really didn't have it like delusional. J was delusional. All these the ones who seem to be the mean girls really just seem to not get it. I've never seen a larger group of girls who just don't get it, Like, who's their hype man, Ladies, Ladies, if you're thinking about going on the show, watch and learn and don't do Yeah, here's the question. Oh go ahead, Well I was gonna say, that's why I'm so intrigued for women tall all know to see what it's going to be like, like are they gonna now that they're being caught and called out? And all of America and the viewers who are watching this like have seen the things that they've said and how they've interacted with other women. It's like there's really no hiding it. So it's like, how are you gonna then act? Like are you gonna try to save face? Absolutely stand up for the things that he said. It's gonna be very interesting to work save and face. They got to increase those followers. They got to get on those beaches of paradise, you know what I mean, Like they got to keep this thing going. Here's my question for you, Becca. Yes, you're a good friend. You really are. And I know this as a person and like individually, like you know, because we have a friendship, but also just like perception, right, like I think most of our listeners would say that Becca kouffriend, she's a good friend. Would you ever suggest that you're a friend should roll up on a set unannounced to pursue the Bachelor? Would you would you call that sound friend advice? I would say no. Two reasons. I would you know trying to put myself in that position. It's like, if I have a best friend who is now the lead of a show and a best friend who's just my friend from a show, I would have done what I could beforehand to bring them together. You know, like, let's be honest, if they were to meet, and like if they were really compatible, the real world is a thousand times going to be better for them to get to know each other than in this bubble. So I would say, like, hey, let's have you guys meet before. That would be my take if I really thought that somebody would hit it off. Also, like you know, like there's so much more at play this season, like there's COVID, you have to quarantine. People's health is at risk, And so for me, I think I struggled with the fact that, like it seemed all of that hard work and being in the safe bubble seemed to be just like thrown to the side and disregarded. Like if there wasn't a character like, Hi, can I be here? I really want to meet him? Yeah, Like, you know, not taking into consideration, there are like it's an entire massive crew, a massive resort that have put time and effort and however many God knows, William Covid tests to keep it safe. It's just it was weird to think that, like you could just drive up and think that you're gonna walk in. Yeah, yeah, listen. She threw Hannah Brown under that van. She popped out and said, not under the bus, under the van. She popped out and was like, well, my friend Hannah Brown told me. I said, oh my gosh, she came back from quarantining with Matt. So that was what April. Matt wasn't announced till June, so no time in between there. She told you you'd be great together, and y'all didn't decide, hey, we should talk. It doesn't make any sense. And for all the people who are saying we have to protect Heather, Heather was manipulated. Heather is a grown ass woman, and I am not in the business of coddling like like illogical behavior. Heather is grown. Heather decided to drive up there, put on makeup, get her hair done, you know what I mean, to potentially meet Matt James. Nobody forced her in that van, Nobody forced makeup on her for her to get all dolled up to go meet him. I just don't understand what good she could have thought would have come out of this. That is the only way that makes me feel a little bit sorry for her, that she was that delusional to where she thought that something good would come out of this. Not only are you popping up mid season, not only are you, as you said, putting people in jeopardy. We're in the middle of a pandemic. Why would you think the girls would befriend you at this point when they've been establishing a relationship with this man and here you come waltzing in thinking that you have some sort of advantage because you were best friends with his best friend. It just made no sense. And I'll tell you what. They didn't do her any favors by show us those videos, those diary videos that she was doing. What was that, Rachel? What? Never in my life have I been bored enough where I put a pizza box on my head and did a little two step because I was bored. You know what I mean? Don't you don't waste the cards? I mean, I like, I get, but but but you're bored. This is what you asked for. You came here. You have to quarantine. This is what this is what you wanted to meet Matt James. They did her no favors, They did not paint her in a good light showing us those video diaries. I mean it was wacky. Wacky is the word there was, Like I was trying to figure out why, like, you know, trying to play Devil's advocate. If I could, like, please how he you know, what would be my thought processes? Why Why would I think showing up here that that it could work? And I like, the only thing that really makes sense is in my mind is like when you go through the show and you are living in this bubble and you probably experienced it too, is like everything is so romanticized. It's like like all you want is love. You want to find that like strong, unique love story. And so I think maybe she was just going off of that, like, oh, like if this could work out, you know, maybe she's a hopeless romantic, Like if this could work out, it could be the most random, cool, unique story. Like I showed up halfway through, we had these mutual best friends to see that we're perfect for each other. We probably both you know, have a lot of similarities in our faith. And so that's where I'm trying to think if like putting yourself back in that bubble mindstead of like everything so beautiful and romanticized. And so that's where I think she was coming from. I mean, and I don't want to speak for her, but that's like the only somehow kind of makes sense to me. The part that's hard though for me, is it'd be one thing if they had met and knew each other a little bit and it was like he was the one that got away, that type of thing, like you had had some sort of connection, something was already built upon. But it was bizarre, not the fact that they had never met, you know. So if it was like somebody like, oh, you know, like we had this sort of connection and then he was announced as about shot and it was pulled away and I like couldn't get him on my mind, like kind of like the Nick Fiel on Caitlin season. That type thing. That type of thing makes sense to me. But they had never met, right, right, I don't even know. Maybe they had faced him. I have no idea, But the fact that it's like a total complete stranger was the weird part. Right. I would give you the romantic part, except four she was out of that bubble. She was living in the real world, so you know, you it's not like she was sitting in this bubble the whole time, waiting, like she was quarantining the whole time she was in reality, they were in the bubble. And the only other thing I'll say is, if Hannah Brown was telling you that you would be great with Matt when she returned from quarantine, was she not telling Matt, hey, you'd be great with my friend Heather. I'm pretty sure she was, and he didn't act on it. Men are very simple. If Matt was interested in Heather, he would have pursued her before coming on The Bachelor, but he didn't, And even if he did, he felt it was a better opportunity for him to go on the show rather than pursue something with you. Yeah, what are you doing? Well, one point, Blake, anyone's gonna, you know, have this opportunity and probably pick being the lead over anything, regardless at that point in their life. So I would have I would have flown to you Becca and said, this is a bad idea, Please don't do this. This in no way can this end well for you? It just can't. And I just, I mean, I don't want to talk to Heather on the podcast. But I've all, I would love to know why you thought it was a good idea. Maybe, you know, like, help me understand why you thought this was a good Actually, I really don't care who's coming on our podcast today. Who's the guest? Let's begin the guest. I actually really don't care. I'm lying, y'all, I don't care. You know, speaking of guests, She's been a favorite of our sins beginning, and you know, we could reacat for hours, but why not just get to know the girl for who she is, the incredible woman that we're starting to finally see. So with that, I think it's just time that we bring her on because last night she was the one who had her first romantic one on one of the season and we can't wait to hear all about it and then some. So please welcome Piper. Welcome Piper. We're so excited to have you on Bachelor Happy Hour. And before we get started, I think both of us want to say we're excited to have you today because we've had this conversation about some of the girls where we're really not fully getting to know you for you, you know, there's been so much drama wrapped up in each and every episode that your first one on one, we really got to see more. But that's why we wanted to have you. Here is where we can hear it from you. You can give us everything of who Piper James is, how she got to be where she is. So with that welcome, how are you? I'm really well, how are you guys? Good? Good, happy to talk to you. For all of our listeners who obviously can't see the background's pipers background is stunning right now? Where are you? Where do you live? Where are you based? So I'm currently at home in Oregon? So you know, this is Oregon. This is what it is. And luckily it's not pouring down rain today, which is always a treat in the winter. Here. Wait, is it like always raining? Is it? Is it very twilight ish, very twilight, always raining, looney, snuggle up in a blanket weather? That's what? Do you like? That? Do you like? Is Oregon like some places you always want to be? No? I mean I'm not trying to move to I'm trying to move to New York, so it's not like I'm trying to be But um I love Oregon. I you know, I went to undergrad here. Um, it's just a little a little too cold and a little too small town vibes, even if you're in Portland, the big city girl. You're talking do a girl who lived in Minnesota and now I moved to LA and I feel like I'm thriving here, So I totally get it. Yeah. One thing that I want to start off the bat asking you because this is the first this is the first moment that the world saw Piper is Night one. You come out of the limo, and I think I said this when we recapped that episode, was your entrance was one of my favorites because of what you said, which was something along the lines that your dad really wanted you and your sisters to keep your last name. Now is that something he's always expressed to you? How do you feel about that? Because I loved it, Like I was just like, yeah, you go, girl, you have Well obviously that wouldn't potentially have to change his last name if that was the case, but like, you make that man change or work for your name. Yeah, my dad has always said to my sisters and I and I only had sisters. I don't have any brothers. So my dad was like yeah, you're gonna keep your last name. Like it wasn't really a question of if for you know, it was like, that's going to happen. And I like my name Piper jeans like it rolls off the tug. So I was always like down for that. And so, you know, it's so perfect meeting that and being like I get to express it to someone. It's not a conversation that you have to have down the line of who's like the last name? The last name conversation so perfect. How many how many sisters? Two? Two? Yeah? Where do you fall? I'm the oldest. They're twins, um two and a half years younger. Okay, okay, yes, So Piper piggybacking on what I almost called you Rebecca. I've never in my life said Rebecca, I have learning trouble. I have been no idea where that was coming from. I'm stopped myself, um picking piggybacking on Becca. No, Becca said, I said, I don't know why I love your name, but I've called you Becca. Um it has been and I want to know your take on this. M It's it's hard to prepare questions to talk to you because it seems like we don't know you because there's been so much focus on the drama. That's frustrating for us as viewers because we're like, they all seem to be on the same plank. We like who is first of all, who is Matt and who are these ladies? Do You'll find it frustrating that we didn't get to really know or we're not getting to know, you know, like the women who are left on the show so far, and what is it about you that you want us to know? Yeah, I think that is. It is frustrating just because obviously, like I know all of the women because you know, we lived together, and so it's it's hard to watch it back and be like, oh, like that moment didn't make it and that was really cute, and like that part of mountain Ey's relationship didn't make it, and that was like a really big moment for me. So yeah, that's probably the hardest part about watching it back at just being like I always said, like I felt like a bystander in my own love story, but now it's like now even the parts of my love story that I was so excited about people aren't seeing. So I guess I don't really know exactly like I wouldn't say that there's one thing that I was like, I wish that people would have seen this. It's just kind of like the combination of different conversations I had with Matt that kind of led up to the one on one that kind of like makes it all makes sense. I feel like we had a lot of really good conversations about where we stand emotionally and kind of how we express our emotions. But then also just like fun, goofy conversations that add to someone's playful side that you know aren't always shown. Might give us an example, because more than ever, like normally we see somebody say I'm falling in love, right, but more than ever, it's like where how? Well? You like, who would where? Why how? Because we're it's just like you woke, like you get a date and you're like, I'm falling in love and surely there's something that you guys had in conversation, So like, give us an example of like something we missed out on, something you were excited for us to see that wasn't shown. Yeah, I think the biggest thing was so obviously I'm in grad school and education has always been like a big part I love school, so obviously that's why I chose to go to grad school. And Matt and I have this really good conversation about what it means to support your partner, and I was kind of expressing to him that like, relationships, for me, how I view them, it's not you know, one person is just cheering on the other person, it's a mutual cheering on of each other. And that's kind of how I stand a relationships. So I would you know, my ideal partner or somebody who would support me and like be like, yeah, get your degree, get your dream job, and you know, for whatever goals they have, I would also support them. And we had this great conversation at just about like where we stand in how we view relationships as partnerships and that kind of dynamic. And I think that that for me wasn't really solidifying point because that's that's something that I see in my family. That's how my parents are, that's how my grandparents are. And to have that confirmed to me that that's like exactly how he feels too, that kind of like was like, wow, you know, this is a big moment. I thought we can see eye to eye on like the fundamental foundation of how to build a relationship. I want to piggyback off of all of this because this is something that I've just thought about. Obviously, Rachel and I we watched as a viewer. Now we know kind of what goes into filming and going through an entire season, and I remember being in your shoes and getting so excited for Monday nights because we didn't know what was going to air. We were so excited, like what parts was my relationship with the Bachelor at the time going to be shown? And like, you know, and so I guess playing up the fact that people really aren't seeing those more intimate, in depth conversations between you and Matt, like for you and I'm assuming you probably still talk to some of the girls too. Have you had this conversation with them? We're like, do you guys feel sort of jipped in a way where like you thought it was going to be one thing watching it and then it's you know, the drama has just really overtaken everything, Like, how is that for you now viewing it back? Yeah, I mean I think because you're you're only one person and there's you know, we started off with to have thirty two women now thirty seven women. I think that I was like so hyper focused on like my relationship with Matt and then like making a few friends, but that was like a happy side effective the whole process that I didn't really realize that all of these other conversations were happening and all of this other drama, like you know, the brainy and a thing, because it was a group get that I wasn't on. I didn't I wasn't poor reach that conversation or you know, just certain things like that. So I think it's frustrating, but it's also just kind of like I had no idea, Like I kind of feel stupid because I'm like, I didn't know this was going on. I didn't realize to what extent everything happened, because you know, you are are only one person and it is only a two hour show, and there's so much that goes into everything in so many different conversations. Do you feel like it's a little bit of a letdown in a way. Yeah, I mean, I feel like there's amazing women on this season, and I would have loved for everyone to get to know them the way that I know them, because you know, only focusing on the dramas. It's kind of disappointing, you know, I want I want everyone to have their equal shot to share what an amazing person each of these women are, and everyone is just so focused and only sees a lot of the negative stuff that happened. Right. So, one of the things that was like a surprise that we were kind of like, oh, okay, there's something between these two was when Matt popped up on the farm day and you're in your im and y'all start making out. Not a pick, not a kiss. Hey might have even had his eyes closed for this, I'm unsure, but you guys were going at it and it was like, Wow, he really has his connection with Piper. And then we see you get your one on one. You finally get it. We know you've been waiting for it, and I know it's like it's hard as time goes on, but again, this is the sweet spot. Mid season is the sweet spot to get the one on one. Talk to us about what it felt like to have that date. Carnival dates are always fun. Plus you had, you know, like the romantic part with the group as well. Yes, yeah to the farm date. Point that was I didn't realize that he was running from NJ. I didn't know that that was even a thing. I just kind of saw him running over and I was like, oh, like obviously joking around, like come join my interview, and then it was kind of just a hoty surprise, and it kind of was just nice to have that moment away from everybody because I mean, as you guys know, group dates are so hard to find your moment and you know, be seen but without being like overtly annoying or you know, whatever it may be. So that was really cute to just kind of get that validation of like I see you, Like, let's take this moment and really capitalize on it. So that was really special. And then yeah, the carnival date was so I mean, like the whole time in the car when he was like what do you think we're doing? What do you think we're doing? I was like, I don't, I don't know. I'm not gonna get pessing, and so it was like above and beyond like what I could have dreamed of. It was amazing. He asked you what you would do in the woods at night. I was like, I thought that was I was like, what the fuck do you think she's gonna do you think he got nervous though, because sometimes I say stupid shit like that when I get a little bit nervous if I'm into someone, and then I'm like what just popped out of my mouth? I don't know, let's just shock it up to he was really into you and you made him a little bit nervous. Yeah, that's perfect. But speaking of dates, what if he were to ask you instead of a carnival date, if it would have been a picnic, how would you have felt your by I had a bone to pick with you and your bio when it came out, because it read that he didn't like picnic, So like, who does it like a good picnic? Um? I mean, if it was a picnic in the middle of the forest at night, I'm sure it would have been romantic. I don't know what it is about picnics. I don't know why. That's like something like a weird quirk that I have. But like something else, sitting on the ground is just like uncomfortable. The posture, the I don't know, I don't know. I'm like, just throw a table in there, even just a chair, all you off my lap, But like something about the posture and trying to look cute on a picnic. Not I guess you were non jealous of Serena Pee to get one of the first dates, the one on one sudden it was the picnic. Yeah, I love animals, but to have to sit on the ground and deal with the animals, I don't know if that would have been my my cup of tea. But anytime with Matt is good, so I would have been sucked it up. And mules at that, not just eighty mules with goats, mules, I make that baby donkeys, I think right, mules mules. Somebody was in their faces, they were making out. So, yeah, you locked out on the carnival one. Yeah for sure. Um, talk to us about your the nighttime portion, because I think we were a little obviously we know, like we can't get the little day. But you have this intimate moment with Matt and you're talking about your family. You're explaining why it's so difficult for you to open up and express your feelings, even though you say you're falling in love with him. You know also something makes you open up. Talk a little bit about that, because I think we were a little unclear as to what it was that you know has kind of held you back from opening up. Yeah, that was kind of capitalizing on a previous conversation that would we had had my love language. I feel like there's a difference between like the love language you want and the love language you give. And for me, the love language I've been taught for my family is love through actions, and so like, you know, the bachelor world isn't really conducive to that because I'm the kind of person that wants to do something for you or like let's go do this together, or like quality time and that kind of thing. It's for me, it's so hard for me to open up and just tell somebody how I feel. And I think that comes from just like a fear of rejection or a fear of judgment. So that's why that's kind of what that conversation was about. Was you know, I am so used to in my life, you know, being like let me get you a gift, let's do this, let's have this experience together, and that's kind of how I show and typically received love. But having to verbalize that because nobody can read your mind and not something that I kind of had to remind myself, like no, one's going to read your mind, No one's going to count that for you, how you feel. I think that's what made me overly emotional, was having to be like, point blank, this is how I feel, and now you have now I'm just open to that rejections. That's what it was. I want to know. This is a two part question, and they're both kind of random. First, like, after you had that conversation with Matt, I mean, and granted it, it was filmed months ago, so you know that took place a while I go for you, But now watching it back, was there any part of you that was nervous to have your family watched it and hear what you had to say? Or was that something that you had had either a conversation with a while ago or right before it aired? What was that dynamic like? And then my second part to the question is since coming off of the show, because we all know, and originally I talked about this on the podcast all the time, the show opens you up in such a weird, unique way, like kind of just cuts you open and like everything spills out that you have to share with a partner. Yeah, because you know things are sped up, So since then and going through that experience and having to go through opening up and the emotion and the feeling behind why you're feeling certain things. Do you think your love language has changed or a couple of them have maybe changed or swip swapped areas. Yeah. Yeah, the first part, like my family, I definitely gave them a warning of like that this is what's to come. And you know, I think that, you know, since going through this experience, it's kind of made me more cognizant of you know, men ching it like saying giving words of affirmation to my family, because I know that's something that we don't typically do, but I'm like, you know, this has kind of taught me how to do that, and so I think that there's definitely a growing experience there. And then yeah, I think that I think that my love language, I've just become more perceptive to what they are. And I think above all else, this experience has taught me how important quality time is, because I think that I don't think that quality time can even be considered a love language. I think it's just like the foundation to build all of the rest of them onto because you can't tell someone how you feel if you're not with them. You can't give them gifts, you can't show them affection if you don't have that time together. So I think it's just made me perceptive of like, above all else, I need quality time and now I have the tools, and I feel like I'm better equipped to share how I feel and to give those words of affirmation or you know, be able to express tom feeling and understand that that's not a weakness such just a part of growing with a partner. What's your master's in marketing? Oh? Okay, I thought you would have said like counseling or something. I mean, I was like, I was like, well, okay, well maybe like you know, you understand people. I feel like that's like a good a tool for a key, like for a marketer, like a successful Yeah. Yeah, just from that that statement alone, I feel like you're so perceptive. Yeah. Well, my undergrowth in political science and sociology. So the sociology part of it, the understanding people. Okay, you're polycys. You didn't go to law school. That was a thought. There was a good amount of time where I thought I was going to go to law school. How much school do you have left? So I'll be done at the end of summer. So like August, Okay, got to go the New York Bio it read, uh, what did you say? Getting my MS? So I don't have to deal with the BS. Did you come up with that or did somebody else I did. She's a marketer, she's a market she's a marketing. That's how I market myself. It comes it well, speaking of BS. Unfortunately, Piper, we have to get into it because that has been so much of what this season has been about. You lived it. You were right there in the mix and when I say in the mixes in you lived with them. You seem to not be a part of the drama at all except actually I'm gonna detour, except when all Heather Martin came in. Oh yeah, she interrupted you. And my favorite part might have been that you had no idea who she was. I actually laughed out loud. I thought, Wow, these girls haven't really maybe watched some of the most more recent seasons, because a lot of times, like Bachelor World, people expect you to know who they are, and you were like, I don't know. Some girls just walked in. I was dying laughing. Then in the previews we see you get very emotional over the fact that you know she's there. Can you talk to us a little bit about like what that felt like to have this stranger walk in matt reaction of laughing, and then you know, to find out who she is and then just another girl, new girl added to the mix. Yeah, yeah, I think at that point, Well, the reason I was so emotional, I think, and obviously I've had some time to think about it, but you know, I think the reason I was so emotional and I didn't know who she was because I've only seen one season. Yeah, so I was emotional because I had just it was coming off by one on one and so I was, you know, having the last conversation I had with Matt be like such a serious conversation about feelings and everything. I mean, as we all know, you don't just stop with the one on one and be like that's it, We're good, let's get engaged. It's like you have to continue that relationship. You just are better equipped to do so. So at that point, I was just trying to have that a fun, more lighted, lighthearted conversation, but still you know, get into our feelings and talk about what like what life would be together in New York and that was kind of the context about what was going on, and then to have her interrupt and then it wasn't in a way that like all of the other women in the house we typically would ask like the other woman like hey, can I steal him? And it was like, that's kind of the repertoire we've come up with. And she asked Matt specifically, and I was just kind of like I didn't know who she was. She started laughing, and I was like, why is this funny? Like I just felt like really invisible that it wasn't, but it was like, yeah, his reaction was, and I think that that's kind of I cracked. I will fully admit that I cracked in that moment. But that's why I was so wild. Let me ask you this then in that moment, because I mean, and this is something I think Rachel brought up at the premiere, is like when Matt sauncomfortable and nervous, he laughs like he did that I think during one limo entrance, like he just broke down. And obviously we saw that when Heather walked in the room. Was there a part of you who thought, like, you know what, match just gonna make no like, Heather, take your time, you could wait. Let me sit here with Piper right now. Like, how did you feel when he was like, Okay, Piper, I'll see you later, Because you know, like, as you said, at that point, you already had a one on one, You already had this relationship for him. So I feel like if I was you, I'd be like, but I'm the one you're really dating here. Why are you telling me to take a hike and you're going to give this all the time of day? Yeah. Yeah, that was definitely a thought that went through my mind. It was like, and I think that's the that's like the part of it that I was like, Oh my gosh, I feel so invisible because it's like we were in the middle of a conversation. It's not like we were like a stopping point. So for him to laugh and then be like give me a second, I was like, oh okay. Like and I mean, like the embodiment of Heather, a beautiful, white blonde woman, is a lot of the insecurities that I know that I have, So that was just a projection talk about talk about that. Why do you have that in those insecurities? Um? I mean at sums from like a lot of different places. I mean, growing up in Oregon definitely doesn't help. It's a very white state. I think that that's, you know, known to most people. So I think that a lot of the times dating has been does he even like black women? Does he like women with curly hair? I never do anything to my hair. It's always curly, like it's beautiful. It is beautiful, thank you so much. So I think that coming into this season, that was an insecurity that I had had. And then obviously I developed a relationship with Matt and that wasn't a problem. And the other women in the house that were white women, I knew them personally, so it wasn't that I didn't feel threatened by them. It's just that I didn't see I didn't really place that insecurity in them. But then seeing Heather as like this new person, I don't know who she is. I was feeling very insecure in that moment because she and bodies basically the opposite of me and a woman, and I was like, I don't know how to deal with this. I don't know. I haven't gotten to the point I will fully admit to deal with those insecurities when they happened in front of me. It usually happens in a reflection period. So that was that was really hard to deal with. Yeah, yeah, that's real. Is that a conversation that you eventually were ever able to have with him? I ask you, maybe, I don't know if that's going to be giving too much away, but just so you could express that to him, so he realized, like why you did feel invisible? Yeah, I mean we kind of touched on, like and then like there's an apology and everything. So but I don't think I ever expressed to him that specific insecurity, because, like I said, I think that it was only in reflection that I was really able to be like, why did I act like that? Like I was so level headed until that moment and then I completely lost it. And I think that through the combination of things that was probably in the top one or two things that really was the reason I acted the way I did. Yeah, you cared, there's nothing wrong with you care. Yeah, let me tell you what it seems like y'all didn't care about Okay Katie. Now, I found this moment weird. When Katie's suitcase was rolled away, nobody was emotional. Nobody cried at this point. How many of gall were left at this point, I don't even know. At this point, I remember I cried every single time one of my girlfriends went home. There was a little bit of chuckling. There was covering up of their face, so many like I don't want people to see I'm smiling. Does is Katie? Was she not liked in the house? I mean, we saw the way that Serena Ce came at her, which was illogical. No, it is. I know why she did, but it just was awesome. But then I thought nobody really took up for her in that moment um. She kind of was by herself. Can you give us some insight on that? Yeah, I mean, I obviously don't know Katie's relationship with everybody in the house. Obviously her in Serena Cy did not get along. Um, I don't really. I think that we were all a little bit shocked that she went, and I think that was part of the face covering. But I don't know. I think that because Katie had taken it upon herself to bring the drama to Matt, that she took on that role and I think that in due so that kind of created a lot of division. So maybe the reason that a lot of women that didn't feel as hurt or sad that she was leaving me was because at this point we didn't really have drama in the house, and so it was like we all kind of had this underlying fear. At least I had an underlying fear of like if she didn't create drama and bring it to him, I just don't know. Oh but Piper, she wasn't creating drama. She told no lies, like the ship was actually happening and yeah, yeah, So I mean, were you close with Katie. I'm confused because it seems like, yeah, people were upset for her for telling what was happening in the house, but it was actually really happening and it was pretty toxic. Yeah, And I can't speak to why everyone did or didn't like her, whatever the reason why was Katie and I were I have no problems with Katie. The day that everyone else was on the group date, Katie and I went on a walk together. We were able to just talk about like real life, like yeah, nothing really just the show, just kind of bond on like a more human normal like you would have a friend in real life. So I have no qualms with Katie. I was shocked that she laughed. I didn't. I didn't really see that coming. Um, so I know, I can't. I think that the reason that a lot of people were annoyed with her was because she kept bringing the drama. But I I personally didn't have didn't have anything. You weren't in the trauma. You weren't in the trauma. Yeah, which kudos because it seemed like a lot of people got wrapped up in this season. I just who, Like, I feel like if I was one of you girls, I've just been like on edge with everyone, like who's gonna fight this week, Who's gonna go at it this time? It was just it was a lot And obviously this week we saw at the end of the just Senia and MJ two on one. You know, as we know, I'm J went home. Whose side in that whole rift were you on? Because it seemed like the most random, bizarre two on one to me? Yeah, I mean it felt really random. It when we got the card that there was going to be a two one when it was kind of it was shocking because the conversation where MJ where Matt Brook the Varsity versus j B to MJ, and then it was apparently just any of it. Said that to Matt. That was kind of a conversation that I heard part of it but didn't really realize. I didn't really understand what was happening. And then for it to you know, actually be a big thing and something that you know, Matt felt like he needed to address that was really shocking. I don't know if I have a side. I definitely don't agree with MJ making a division in the house. When we were all, you know, we kind of were like, this is what it is. There's no reason to be mad at the new girls. It's not their fault. And I think that, you know, just any it. Matt asked you a question, and she told him of how she felt, or she told them what happened. Like, I don't think it's really a side. It's just kind of like, do you want to be the girl that is dividing or do you want to be the one that's bringing people together. I don't. I don't really know. It's not really it's kind of just dull kind of it was like a dull kind of moment. What does she say, week bitch energy? What was it? Something what week week bitch week bitch versus strong bitch energy no weak bitch energy. Yeah yeah, I was like, what is that stuff trying to make this happen? It was like sech right like stuff trying to make setch happen. That's how I felt. Um, okay, real quick, women, tell all we know you just returned from filming it. If you had to describe it in three words, what I'm and I'm expecting big things from you marketing, Piper, what would those three words being? No pressure? Um? Okay, I'm gonna hyphenate the first one. Who was which is gonna be surprisingly cordial? Um? Two more um, apologetic and insightful? Okay, who are you so close with? Of all the girls? Um? I would say I'm probably closest with Chelsea and Bree and Lauren because she was my roommate. UM and Abigail because Oregon girls. Um, that's right. I would probably say those are the people that I am the closest with. Yeah, okay, kid, yeah, I was going to say, you know, I don't know how free K does good crew? Okay, Piper. Before we let you go, we ask every guest on our podcast the same question. So up, until this point of this season, what would you say Your rose and your thorn was um my, Okay, I'll start with my thorn because I think it's a little more fresh in my head. My thorn was um, react react to facial expressions without actually thinking all the way through. I think that that was something that I struggled with and just kind of like the of like taking a thought. I was quick to react, especially in the face and my rose. Um. I think I tried to listen to everyone's side. I think that was something that was helpful to me in the long run. Was I was kind of able to understand after I had an initial reaction to things, taking a step back and being like, you know what, let's let's listen to this, and Yeah, I think that was definitely helpful. I love that that's a good answer. Most people would say, only you know something physical that we saw go down with Matt. So I love that answer that it seems like you're so, what's the word not per I don't know what I'm trying to say, but that you made it like a growth, like a learning educational experience for you. Yeah, which is a beautiful thing than very mature how old. Yeah, twenty three. Yeah, way to get, way to expel, like those those myths people have about the youngest people in the house, Like yeah, yeah, very much. Well, I wish we would have seen more of you, Piper. It's a disappointment, but we're so happy that we were able to talk with you today and then our bachelor. Happy our listeners get to know more of you. You're very interesting. Thank yeah, thank you so much. It was good to finally see you, you know, through through the screen. But um, I think our listeners each week they love being able to get to know you for you, from you, not from another TV show. So this is wonderful. So thank you for joining. Yes, thank you for having me. This is fun. Absolutely take care, take care, James, keep that last name. Girl will two first names. Oh they say you can't trust us, but yes you can. Yes, all right, to see you guy. Thank you guys. Oh I liked her. I liked her too, Like this is what makes finally having these women on the podcast, because we get this deeper sense of maturity of growth, Like same thing with Kim last week, Like it was so good to just hear from them about why, like who they are as a person, you know, it's not just the drama and the cattiness. So always good to have them come. And I loved her last answer with her rose. I thought that was beautiful. It was I think this is going to anger the viewers because you're going to feel like something was taken away from you, and that is these women and their personalities and their stories. And I get that we have to have the drama and we do want to see that as well. I'm not gonna lie, but there's got to be a better balance of it. And I think that if we can find that balance, then we can kind of go back to the basics of the show and feel like you're getting that love story mixed in with the drama. And right now it's just it's too top heavy with the drama. So, you know, thank you Piper for coming on here and showing us that, like, there's a reason you were on this show, there's a reason you got the one on one, there's a reason you're still with us on this journey and you've made it as far as you did, and then also giving us some insight as to how great some of these women are too. Yeah, yeah, thank you Piper, And as always, happy our listeners, Thank you guys for hanging out with us again this week. As always, we're excited to see what happens with Heather next week because I have a feeling it's going to be very juicy and I truly don't know how it's gonna go. Will she stay, will she go? But we will find out, so please, you know, follow along, let us know what kind of questions you want to have asked next week. 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