#329 - Are You Prepared? YOU Are the True First Responder

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In these times of global uncertainty, if you walk around staring at your phone instead of
watching your surroundings, you're setting yourself up to be a volunteer victim.

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Today we'll teach you the What If Game to help you build the everyday skills you need to
stop freezing and start protecting your family.

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Welcome to Guns Magazine presents the Guns Podcast US, one of the world's biggest gun talk
programs.

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I'm your host Brent Wheat and in today's episode Roy Huntington and I discuss everyday
personal safety during uncertain times, how to break away from smartphone distractions and

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ways to train your brain to react fast in an emergency.

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Now let's get down to business.

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Well, Roy, I always introduce you and then I say something to try and get a weird response
and I'm not going to do that today.

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I'm kind of being monotone.

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So how are you, Roy?

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I'm happy because I have a new mug that I'm having my hot tea in.

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know.

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There you go.

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Right there it is.

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And it's nice.

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Very cool.

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Very cool.

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Well, we were kind of casting around for a topic and I think, you know, it's hard to
ignore a national and international uh goings on right now.

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We're obviously at least at the moment we record this, course, things can change minute by
minute, but as it stands now, we're in a war with Iran and there's lots of uh thoughts and

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opinions and ideas and

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We're not gonna get into the right or wrong, all of that, but let's talk about uh how that
affects us.

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John and Suzy Citizen, me and you, the great masses, and we're gonna talk about how these
current events can actually affect what we're doing here in the good old US of A.

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So if you weren't aware,

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Roy and I are longtime retired police officers.

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We've dealt with a lot of interesting and uh unusual situations.

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We've been in on uh joint planning sessions.

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We've received intel from state and federal partners.

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And so we're kind of familiar with what your local cops are hearing.

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And uh we're going to talk eventually about some of the things that we think folks ought
to be aware of and prepared for as things go forward.

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Roy, I got to start out here.

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One of the things that really inspired me was I saw another one of these federal warnings
that come out and go to all law enforcement that something may happen sometime, somewhere

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by somebody.

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So be ready.

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What is the point of that?

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I know you've you've seen many of those in your career.

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I know the sky is falling.

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uh Do you remember when the federal government used to do the terrorist alerts that today,
oh, right, everyone should be in condition yellow.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And then, or condition orange, which means that we've heard that there might something or
might be something going to happen, but we might be wrong, but you never know.

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So you should keep your eyes open.

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You know, and I think that all, know, what that does is it fear mongers if you ask me.

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That, it, and it desensitizes people, you know, if, they didn't put that stuff out every
day and then suddenly we're on condition orange, everybody's going to go, Whoa, okay.

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Something's happening.

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But if you do it, it's the boy that cried wolf.

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And frankly, I blame it to the cowardice of civil servants.

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And again, I've been on that side of it.

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If they get uh any kind of intel, actionable, legitimate, or just some knucklehead posting
on social media, they're afraid that if something does happen and they didn't share that,

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that they're going to get in trouble and they might lose their job.

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We're going to keep sending out alerts every single day of the year about any possible
thing that could happen.

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And I think all that does is desensitize all of us.

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So, agree.

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Yeah.

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You know, the other thing though is people revert to training, right?

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Okay.

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Well, I'm sorry, but 99 % of the people out here have not ever had any training with
anything like this.

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And I mean, that's okay.

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This is America.

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I'm glad you haven't had to have it.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But.

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I, it doesn't do anybody any good because if somebody says, be careful and be alert and
watch out.

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Well, they don't know what to look for.

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They wouldn't know what to do if they saw it.

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You know, they wouldn't, they're not prepared to deal with it.

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They're, you know, so I think that time would be better spent.

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They should be saying things like, uh, we would like you to keep your eyes open.

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Here are five things you should look for.

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Yep.

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If you encounter one of them, you should do this, you know, I mean,

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Let's, let's give these people some tools to work with.

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But, that's a perfect segue into where we're going with this episode, because I, I'm not
sure how I'm going to title it when, once we actually get done and I'm going to post it,

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but, but kind of my working title right now is you're the first responder.

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And, you know, as, as retired cops, always prided ourselves on, we ran towards problems
and gunfire and,

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I'm so happy that we have men and women in our country that are willing to do that.

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But when you get right down to it, if anything happens, anything ranging from one crazy
guy that is intent on harming people to some kind of literal foreign action, you know who

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the people that are most affected is us.

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And we're actually the first responders because if you're not taken out in the first wave
of whatever happens, you're right there and

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We always used to say as cops that, you know, when seconds count, we're only minutes away.

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And, you know, we jokingly used to say, look, if you're going to be in a gunfight, us.

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I'll come.

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I'll bring my friends.

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I'll bring a bunch of friends with a bunch of guns.

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But you got to kind of handle things until we get there.

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And that's, I think, in my opinion, that's kind of where I want this episode to go, is
we're going to talk about realistically,

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what the world looks like right now and hopefully give you some actionable items to be
thinking about.

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We're not trying to fear monger.

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We're not trying to scare anybody.

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We're just kind of pointing out where we feel things are right now.

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And again, kind of that things folks can do to make their world a little bit safer if
things happen.

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And we all hope they certainly don't.

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So this goes back to preparedness, Roy.

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It's a point we hammer all the time and...

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When somebody goes, well, what should we do, Roy?

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That's the most open-ended question in the world, but how do you answer that for folks?

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Well, first of all, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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Yeah.

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Because really, mean, yes, there may be cells that are ready to be activated, who knows?

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I think as we said before the show started, we need to worry more about the lone wolves,
the radicalized.

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25 year old, we've already had two or three of those happen.

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Right.

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So in my opinion, you know, if you live in more, the rural parts of America, if you live
in more small town America, if you're out of the major big cities, know, dense urban

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hysterica, you know, hysterical people, uh, if, if there's not a, uh, a Jewish temple next
door to you, right.

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Let's just be honest.

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And, uh, I don't think you have a lot to worry about any more than you would worry about
any kind of daily events that could happen to you.

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You now having said that, I also think it's wise to be prepared.

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Uh, and so, you know, I live by Joplin.

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What are the odds of something like that happening at jobs?

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They're pretty remote, right?

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But I pay attention.

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look, I say, is that suspicious?

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Why does he have a big back?

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pack, you know, is he, is he looking at the church standing around outside, you know, I
mean, and that's the kind of stuff I think you can do.

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We can't change the war that's going on right now.

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We can't, you know, become soldiers.

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can't go to the front lines and fight, you know, I mean, let's be realistic.

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I'm not going to waste any energy at that, but we certainly can affect what's in our
influence and control area.

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Which means that, you know, if you're at the mall and you see somebody suspicious, then
it's really okay to pay attention to that.

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And if somebody says, well, you're just being paranoid, smile and nod your head and go
contact the cop.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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I mean, just take some action.

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So well, in thinking about that, it's a good rule that I've heard it said before that
don't let politeness get in the way of your safety and survival.

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We've seen it so many times.

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So many times.

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I didn't want to, I didn't want anyone to think that I was just being worried.

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And as, and then we hear her again and she's dead.

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Well, and, go ahead.

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Well, I was going to say, I mean, it's like, you would.

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This happened to a case in San Diego where somebody smelled smoke in a theater and they,
when they interviewed them later, because everything worked out, right?

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But they were interviewing people later and say, wow, what'd you think about?

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What was going on?

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And they said, well, you know, I smelled smoke, but you know, I wasn't really sure.

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And I didn't want really people to get worried if it was unnecessary.

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Yeah.

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Really?

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Super.

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Yeah.

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And so don't be that person, you know?

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And I want to say one more thing, if you don't mind.

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I answer the vast majority of the comments on our website and on our YouTube channel.

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And I want to acknowledge right in front.

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Yes, we are two elderly gentlemen.

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Okay.

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You know, and don't think that we're just reliving the old days and, and, know, wanting to
be that today's experts and stuff like that.

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Guys like us have decades of experience in the real world.

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And so I've been to riots, I've been to terrorist attacks, I worked the Rodney King riots.

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mean, we've, Brent and I have seen these things.

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And so it's not inappropriate to pay attention when experience talks.

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And so I just remember that, okay?

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So, all right.

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uh Good point, good point.

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And you know, when you get right down to it, violence is violence.

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And people, don't think we look at it that way.

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It's, well, you know, it's, uh you know, he got attacked by a crazy guy walking down the
street or he got attacked by a sleeper terrorist cell and they wiped him out.

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You're still just as injured or dead.

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So regardless of your, your viewpoints, your outlook, your preparedness level, all that,
when you get right down to it, it's violence.

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And I got to say who's more expert with day-to-day violence than cops.

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So I think that's kind of our

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bone of fide.

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So, you know, if if if you're prepared for the crazy neighbor who kind of goes off and
tries to hurt you or your neighbor, you're much better prepared if that one in a million

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sleeper cell decides to attack the federal building that you're there, you know, answering
jury duty or whatever.

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So when we're talking about violence, I think

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The cause might be little different right now because there's geopolitical events going
on.

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But when you get right down to it, somebody trying to hurt or kill you or a loved one or a
bystander, it doesn't matter what their motivation is.

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What matters is they're trying to do something bad right now.

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So I think we get kind of wrapped around the axle about that.

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Don't you think?

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uh Criminals are criminal.

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Yeah.

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You know, and, and I think I want two people to think about this.

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I mean, we'll try to give you some actual skills before we're done here, but

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Uh is the number one is that things happen fast And so you've probably seen you're driving
along all of a sudden somebody pulls out in front of you And you hit him maybe have an

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accident.

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Well, you didn't want that to happen, you know Well, I mean were you training for it?

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Were you paying attention?

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Did you anticipate that it was going to happen?

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Probably not, you know And so these other things happen the same way think of them as a
traffic accident

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That was you're strolling down the street, minding your own business with your family.

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And somebody, some suddenly some one kid comes running up holding a stick of dynamite that
he just lit.

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mean, it literally happens that fast.

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And so now rather than standing there flat forwarded, you know, flat footed and saying,
Whoa, I can't believe this is really happening.

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You know, you, the biggest thing I want to get out there today is that you need to take
action.

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What, you know, and you, and if you take action, you need to have.

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thought about what you were going to do beforehand.

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Yeah.

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And otherwise you'll stand there and you'll say, well, I want to take action, but I
really, I'm not sure what I should do.

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You know, well, you know, for years it was fight or flight.

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And then we finally realized it's fight, flight or freeze.

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And Roy, I'll give you a quiz in the face of violence or danger, either one, what do most
people do?

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Fight, flight or freeze?

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Freeze.

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Absolutely.

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Freeze.

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It's the, didn't, I couldn't believe it was happening to me.

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And by then it is over.

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happened.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's as simple as that.

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So, so, so how do we combat that?

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Another softball question.

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How do you combat that whole idea of, my gosh, what do I do now?

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This is terrible.

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And I'll just stand here and scream and wring my hands.

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And it's, it's too late by then, but how can folks be ready for that?

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Well, you know, it's actually pretty darn easy.

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Um, and I mean, if you're a certified operator or some, know, a former anti-terrorist unit
and all that, you're so many leagues above what we're doing here right now that I'm not

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even going to go there.

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All right.

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We need people like you.

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We're glad you're out there.

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but if you're just the regular person out there, there's a game you can play and it's not
corny and.

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It's okay to talk out loud while you're doing it.

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It truly, you have to just, you have to, uh, distance yourself from the perception of
people around you.

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And that is the, to play the what if game.

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And I'm sure Brent will know exactly what that is.

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Cause when you're a policeman, you're working a beat car, you pretty much play the what if
game all the time and the what if game is.

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I'm driving up the street and I'm driving up the street now.

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What would I do if that guy in the right lane suddenly swerved to the left?

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Right.

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And you stop and you think, okay, well, if he started to swear, I would, I would break
hard and move back, you know, or I would, whatever you decide you think you want to do.

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And so now you drive on a little bit more and then you come to an intersection and there's
a pedestrian.

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What would I do if that pedestrian suddenly ran in front of my car?

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Right.

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And now the next day you're in the mall.

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And as you're walking down the mall, you're playing what if, right?

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It just takes seconds.

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You look up and you think, what would I do if somebody was on the escalator and I saw that
he had a gun in his hand?

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What would I do?

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You know, would I run, but I hide, would I draw my gun and engage him?

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You know, but the beauty of all this is that if you think about these things, right,
wrong, or otherwise, you will at least have given it some thought.

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And so now when you look up someday and there's a guy on an escalator with a gun, you've
thought about that, you know, and you may be able to think, Oh, okay.

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I've been here, you know, uh, and I'm going to run and hide and take my family with me or,
but, you won't waste as much time going, uh cow.

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What do I do now?

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You know, I don't mean, do you agree?

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I can't think of a stronger tool that.

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anybody can do to make themselves safer.

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the beauty of it is it doesn't matter if you're completely unarmed.

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If you're a 98 pound weakling or you're 98 years old or you're a strapping, you know, a
former operator that just is on your day off and you're carrying three guns and a samurai

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sword.

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doesn't matter.

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All those people can do the same thing and they should do the same thing of if this
happens, I'm going to do this.

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What is and

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Yeah, you're just, playing ball.

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know, I, I drive my tractor around my property all the time here and I've got some steep
hills and I have a pond and I have some big trees with big boughs.

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Well, I, I absolutely play what if when I drive my tractor, what if I'm driving on the
burn by my pond and the tractor falls into the water?

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What app, what am I going to do?

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How, how am I going to get to my seatbelt?

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do I have my pocket knife that I could use to cut the strap if I need to?

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I mean, before I go in the woods, I always look up and I think, what would I do if that
branch suddenly fell down in front of me?

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Where would I run to?

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So you can apply this across the board.

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What would I do if my five-year-old didn't eat his green beans tonight?

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As corny as that is, that's all you're doing.

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Rather than beat that into the ground, I hope people understand that that to me is the
linchpin of being a prepared American is having kind of a plan in mind and being aware of

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things.

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Cause we didn't really talk about that, but just being aware of stuff going on around you.

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Cause it all goes part and parcel.

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You can't be making a plan about the guy carrying the gun if you're not aware of that.

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look, that guy up there has a gun.

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Don't be this all day.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's, know, yeah.

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mean, it never ceases to amaze me.

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People in public places.

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Uh, and you'll see 25 people in public places sitting around a fountain or something.

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Everybody is looking down at their phone, completely oblivious to what's going on around
them.

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And I read a report just today and I've not verified this, but it was reported that the
latest, uh,

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information from traffic accidents over the last two years.

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25 % of are involving a phone or electronic device.

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25 % of accidents now.

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And thinking about it, I believe it.

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I was on my phone.

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I was texting.

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Always, always.

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I just read in a, because it might've been part of the same article.

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And it said that the average, like say up to 25 year old spends seven hours a day

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It was part of that story.

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On their phone and it said not counting working or computer time.

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Right.

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So I mean, I'm sorry.

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Yeah.

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So that means that think about it for a minute.

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Seven hours of their day, they're oblivious to what's going on around them, you know, but
they're not going to care.

293
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well, that's as we've said before, that's being a volunteer victim.

294
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Yeah.

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Anyway, if you've gotten to the point you are aware and you're playing that what if game
the next point that I would make is you've got to execute a plan and that goes back to

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fight flight or freeze.

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If you're going to fight, okay, have a plan to fight.

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If you're going to to flee, that makes sense too, depending on the circumstance.

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But the biggest thing is just avoid that freeze because uh rarely will freeze help you.

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fighting may help you fleeing may help you, but freezing all you're hoping for is, is luck
will not send, uh, something your way.

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Well, know, uh well, when Clint Smith used to teach sometimes he would talk, he would talk
about shoot and move, right.

302
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And he would say, can you hit my hand?

303
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Right.

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And so it's like, yeah, yeah, we could hit that.

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And he, and he would go.

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Now hit it.

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Yeah.

308
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Right.

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And it just wham, it hits you.

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And so that's why what you say when you're, it's you and your family and you're walking up
the street in target or something, you know, and you see something happen, you see a guy

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in the aisle and he's got a backpack and he reaches in, he pulls out a knife.

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Well, move.

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Go.

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You know, mean, move now.

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Don't stop.

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Don't look at it.

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Don't gock.

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Don't be amazed.

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Don't anything, you know, that's the best advice I can give.

320
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Yeah.

321
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And getting into, you know, the current geopolitical situation, one of the coolest things
I ever got to do was go to a school in the Western United States.

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It was kind of the precursor to bomb school.

323
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And we actually got to make suicide vests and detonate them.

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And first of all, if you ever see one, it's the most scary and horrifying thing there is,
but

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The point that they were trying to make was by the time you see the guy do the typical,
I've got a, it's too late because it just takes a split second.

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And what people never understand is you don't outrun a bomb or a shrapnel.

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Once it happens, it's over.

328
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It's moving at, you know, 20 to 40,000 feet per second.

329
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You're not going to duck.

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You're not going to get behind something.

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So again, it's kind of that idea.

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If you see a guy fiddling with

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wires and batteries and something that looks like a road flare under his jacket.

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Don't wait to see what happens.

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That's time to leave.

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So that's just one of those things where you've got to think through that.

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If you think that you're in a situation where somebody might do something really bizarre
like that, then you got to kind of work that out that I can't stand around and watch or

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I'll keep an eye on him.

339
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Well, you may keep an eye on him to the point that it's too late.

340
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So, you might want to bring that up.

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You don't focus on that either because I frankly, think the odds of somebody wearing a
explosive vest in our country or, mean, it could happen.

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Definitely.

343
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I don't see it happening probably, but what you should be looking for are people armed
with knives.

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People who pull out a gun in a situation where they shouldn't probably have a gun in their
hand, right.

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Or.

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You're with a group of people on a corner holding up signs, advertising the kids car wash,
and you see somebody drive by five times.

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Right.

348
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And is he going to try to run into your crowd now the next time?

349
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mean, you know, these are the kind of everyday things you need to be looking for.

350
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mean, I agree with Brent.

351
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Absolutely.

352
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oh Yeah.

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People see the movies where they see like a bomb goes off and then people like duck and
run.

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It's like, no, you're way already dead.

355
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Yeah.

356
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If you don't believe me, go on YouTube, watch some, uh, high energy explosives go off.

357
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it's like now there was one, a famous one from one of the Gulf Wars where some, and it was
military guys, believe a United States army, they were watching a, I believe it was a

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bombing of a big building.

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But what I remember was they're like, wow, look at that.

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And all of a sudden a.

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Probably a fist size or bigger rock comes sailing right at the camera and again 500 miles
per hour so fast that if if it had been coming toward anybody they wouldn't have got out

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of the way it just happened to miss but if you can look that up, it's just amazing how
fast they're here Yeah, I saw that you're right.

363
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It's like everyone's laughing and talking all of sudden.

364
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Yeah Yeah, right surprise like

365
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They would have all been dead.

366
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all right.

367
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Well, look, I mean, yes, be prepared.

368
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Yes, play what if, you know, there's nothing wrong with that.

369
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Pay attention.

370
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Don't be paranoid about it.

371
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It's, know, you're not, is the odds of it going to happen are pretty darn remote, you
know, but I think if it does happen and you're prepared, that helps a lot.

372
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So now do we talk about what does prepared mean when it comes to guns and stuff?

373
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Sure.

374
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That's, that's why people watch us.

375
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So we're going to talk about that.

376
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For me, the advice is pretty simple and it echoes what we've said all along.

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Have a gun.

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Have a gun.

379
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I know that's not the answer you said a lot of people are seeking, but it comes down to
having a gun or not having a gun and having a gun is a lot better, especially in a

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circumstance where the other person has a gun.

381
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So that's that's I'm being a bit facetious there, but truly that's that's what it's about
for me.

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And we've talked about before, especially as you get to be a uh

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A seasoned citizen.

384
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It's, I don't mean I've made it this far.

385
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I didn't need a gun.

386
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Well, it only takes once.

387
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So my big advice to folks have a gun, have a gun that you can shoot that you have shot in
say the last few little wiles, because if you decide to pull that one out of the sock

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drawer and blow the dust off since you bought it five years ago, and well, I'm going to
start carrying that.

389
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You're not a gunfighter.

390
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I'm sorry.

391
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You're just not.

392
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So anyway, Roy, you take it from there.

393
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think the most important thing for you to do other than have a gun, if you decide to do
that, is decide what is your role going to be.

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And so when you see that guy pull the machete out of his backpack, uh, in the aisle at
Walmart and you're armed, what is your role?

395
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And.

396
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Are you, are you uh a pack leader?

397
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Are you a protector dog?

398
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You know, I mean, do you have the skills?

399
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Do you have the training?

400
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Do you have the experience to go toward the fight and engage and save people?

401
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I hats off to you.

402
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If you are, it would be hard for me to turn my back.

403
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Right.

404
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But we've had experience.

405
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We've faced those situations before, you know, what to expect.

406
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I've already made that decision.

407
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What I would do.

408
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But the other thing you need to do is you also have to weigh that with, I'm here with my
family.

409
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You know, where are my obligations?

410
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ah I get my family to safety first.

411
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Now then maybe if it's still going on, you can evaluate what you want to do after that.

412
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You know, but I think it's, you know, it happens fast.

413
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Usually it's not like on TV.

414
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Chances are good.

415
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If you shoot somebody with a handgun, they're not going to fall down right away.

416
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You know,

417
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which may surprise you, uh but I think for me, that's my, that's the important role.

418
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I am firm believer of avoid as much as possible.

419
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And so if I see somebody looking and acting suspicious, I want to get away from there.

420
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And if appropriate, I'll notify authorities.

421
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If it's, if I'm flat footed, and in other words, literally they're the guy ahead of me is
now pulling a knife out of his backpack.

422
00:28:21,206 --> 00:28:29,446
Well, then I mean, I've already decided is that for me, my personal handgun is as Darrell
says, it's a get off me thing, you know?

423
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And so I, you know, I'll pull my gun and I will try to get to safety in my own opinion.

424
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I've already decided if he's trying to hurt somebody, I'm going to intervene.

425
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So I mean, that's my decision.

426
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think part of that is that I'm old and I don't have much time left.

427
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And so I don't mind.

428
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making that commitment if I can save some people's lives.

429
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:59,267
But really, if you're 30 years old, you have a wife and three kids with you, then maybe
engaging isn't really the smartest thing for you to do.

430
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Exactly.

431
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So be thinking about that.

432
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Yeah.

433
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And you touched on something we've never really talked about, but the fact that even with
major caliber handguns, people do a lot of stuff after taking what will be non-survivable

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hits.

435
00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:25,097
And I'm sure a lot of you do what we do, which is pass around these closed circuit TV uh
files that you periodically get.

436
00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:27,959
It's funny, a lot of them seem to be out of Brazil for whatever reason.

437
00:29:27,959 --> 00:29:34,253
But if you have any question what a shooting looks like, go look at some of those.

438
00:29:34,253 --> 00:29:43,636
And I think if you watch a few of them, you will be shocked and amazed at people taking
really multiple hits from big handguns.

439
00:29:43,636 --> 00:29:46,367
and they still do a lot of stuff.

440
00:29:46,367 --> 00:29:53,971
again, that TV movie thing of I'm gonna shoot him and he'll go through the saloon window
and then I'm a hero and it doesn't work that way.

441
00:29:53,971 --> 00:29:55,271
They keep coming.

442
00:29:55,271 --> 00:30:03,205
They don't even realize they're hit and they're still wanting to do to you or a bystander
or whatever.

443
00:30:03,205 --> 00:30:10,898
So again, that factors into it that, well, I can take the shot and he'll drop his knife
and melt into a puddle of goo.

444
00:30:10,898 --> 00:30:11,919
It don't work that way.

445
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:17,922
You need to be aware and you need to have the experience to at least understand how things
really do work like that.

446
00:30:17,922 --> 00:30:23,305
So you're not uh constructing a false scenario in your head.

447
00:30:23,565 --> 00:30:33,431
especially when you're dealing with somebody who fancies themselves uh a terrorist now,
you know, when you get some lone wolf who suddenly decided it's time for him to activate.

448
00:30:33,431 --> 00:30:38,623
Well, he's probably pretty motivated, you know, he's already decided he doesn't care if he
dies.

449
00:30:38,623 --> 00:30:39,564
Yep.

450
00:30:39,564 --> 00:30:40,294
Right.

451
00:30:40,312 --> 00:30:44,226
he, he'll have a gun or a knife or a bomb or something.

452
00:30:44,226 --> 00:30:44,586
Right.

453
00:30:44,586 --> 00:30:49,189
So you're already dealing with somebody who has made the commitment that he's going to
die.

454
00:30:49,189 --> 00:30:50,670
So he doesn't care.

455
00:30:50,671 --> 00:30:51,191
Yeah.

456
00:30:51,191 --> 00:31:01,349
Uh, and you know, remember, mean, you could shoot somebody right in the heart and blow
their heart completely to part into pieces and their blood will still be oxygen or their

457
00:31:01,349 --> 00:31:05,963
brain will still be oxygenated oxygenated for probably six to eight more seconds.

458
00:31:05,963 --> 00:31:06,444
Right.

459
00:31:06,444 --> 00:31:06,944
At least.

460
00:31:06,944 --> 00:31:07,374
Well, okay.

461
00:31:07,374 --> 00:31:08,705
Well, let's pretend for a second.

462
00:31:08,705 --> 00:31:09,006
You ready?

463
00:31:09,006 --> 00:31:09,860
Here you go.

464
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:20,540
Bang, I just got shot 1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, 1006, 1007, 1008.

465
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:20,700
Okay.

466
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,320
I was still shooting.

467
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Yeah.

468
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,440
Or stabbing or stabbing or reaching for the bomb button.

469
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:28,700
know?

470
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:29,260
Yeah.

471
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:29,560
Yeah.

472
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,768
So, mean, I don't want people to be hysterical about this and we're not the topic experts.

473
00:31:35,768 --> 00:31:37,509
We do have some experience here.

474
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:48,549
have faced some serious situations and, uh, and I, I think if we, the people who are
listening, if they just keep it simple, uh, and like I said, play what if, if you have a

475
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:58,367
gun that you're comfortable with, then make sure as Brent says, it's not the dust Buffalo
collector from the drawer, you know, get it out, shoot it, clean it, oil it, make sure

476
00:31:58,367 --> 00:31:59,248
it's all right.

477
00:31:59,248 --> 00:32:01,610
You know, talk to your family about these things.

478
00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:03,481
Uh, and that's another very important thing.

479
00:32:03,481 --> 00:32:04,676
Uh,

480
00:32:04,676 --> 00:32:08,756
You know, my wife and I were retired cops used to work together.

481
00:32:09,056 --> 00:32:12,596
Susie's covered me on traffic stops and I've covered her on stops and stuff.

482
00:32:12,596 --> 00:32:15,076
And so we already know what we're going to do.

483
00:32:15,076 --> 00:32:20,915
If something happens, we're going to cover each other and we're going to, know, mean,
that's, I've got to laugh, right?

484
00:32:20,915 --> 00:32:22,936
I'm sure Susie would be get behind me, Roy.

485
00:32:22,936 --> 00:32:28,716
Oh, she has, always elbows me out of the way and moves it up front when anything's ever
happened.

486
00:32:28,836 --> 00:32:34,550
But, uh, if you have a wife, for instance, and you need to talk about this, you need to
say.

487
00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:39,995
Especially if she's kind of a bit anti gun, maybe like she's not real happy that you have
a gun you carry it.

488
00:32:39,995 --> 00:32:52,195
Uh, but you need to come to terms and you need to say, listen, if we're ever in Walmart
with, you know, the, two children, I, and either one of us sees something and says, run

489
00:32:52,556 --> 00:32:54,798
that our job is to run.

490
00:32:54,798 --> 00:33:00,943
Our job is not to say what we haven't got the juice, uh, cool age yet.

491
00:33:00,943 --> 00:33:01,804
You know, eh

492
00:33:01,804 --> 00:33:13,305
Yeah, no, or if you are the armed husband and she's not, you know, when you put your arm
out and, tell them, get behind that counter, well, then they need to go get behind the

493
00:33:13,305 --> 00:33:13,745
counter.

494
00:33:13,745 --> 00:33:19,220
You know, they need to not engage you in a philosophical discussion of whether or not
you're mean.

495
00:33:20,742 --> 00:33:22,323
Yeah.

496
00:33:22,323 --> 00:33:23,874
So pay attention.

497
00:33:24,420 --> 00:33:25,661
Talk to your loved ones.

498
00:33:25,661 --> 00:33:27,012
This is all what if, right?

499
00:33:27,012 --> 00:33:37,469
What if we were in dinner at the, favorite restaurant and someone walked in the front door
with a machete and threatened us, what would we do?

500
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:39,271
You know, think about it.

501
00:33:39,271 --> 00:33:43,994
then, and then like I said, like Brent said, if you have a gun, learn how to use it.

502
00:33:43,994 --> 00:33:46,936
You keep your head screwed on.

503
00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:53,100
And I will say in closing, you made a point that I wanted to expand on.

504
00:33:53,398 --> 00:33:55,228
Again, this isn't paranoia.

505
00:33:55,228 --> 00:34:02,310
uh A lot of this, I hope, is just a gut check or, you know, kind of a rehearsal, mental
rehearsal for a lot of folks.

506
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:07,892
If this is all new to you, I hope, you know, you've learned something that you can take
away.

507
00:34:07,892 --> 00:34:16,824
But the bottom line is I always feel better knowing I've got the gear, I've got the
training, I've got the awareness, and now I can go about my day living life to the

508
00:34:16,824 --> 00:34:18,355
fullest, having fun.

509
00:34:18,355 --> 00:34:22,640
And yeah, if a tornado comes, if a car accident happens,

510
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:30,541
or some derka derka decides that it's time for him to go meet whoever and all the virgins
or whatever.

511
00:34:30,541 --> 00:34:31,923
I'm ready for whatever.

512
00:34:31,923 --> 00:34:37,574
There's nothing guaranteeing you'll make it through, but you can at least put the odds
much more in your favor.

513
00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:39,235
And that to me is very comforting.

514
00:34:39,235 --> 00:34:47,107
Well, know, people have most people, or maybe many people today, have spare tires in their
car, right?

515
00:34:47,107 --> 00:34:49,668
Or a tire inflation kit or something.

516
00:34:49,668 --> 00:34:51,668
I know personally,

517
00:34:51,876 --> 00:34:59,156
When I'm about to drive across the desert, I check my spare tire and make sure that it's
full.

518
00:34:59,276 --> 00:35:02,756
And now I can drive across the desert much more relaxed.

519
00:35:02,756 --> 00:35:03,256
Yeah.

520
00:35:03,256 --> 00:35:05,736
As you say, enjoy the scenery.

521
00:35:05,736 --> 00:35:08,356
I'm not constantly saying, what if I get a flat?

522
00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:09,196
What if I get a flat?

523
00:35:09,196 --> 00:35:10,476
What if I get a flat?

524
00:35:11,216 --> 00:35:14,232
And so if you're, if you're

525
00:35:14,232 --> 00:35:19,024
prepared if you've thought about these things beforehand, if you and your family have
discussed it.

526
00:35:19,024 --> 00:35:28,752
It's no different than talking about, which nobody ever does, they talk about, if I wake
up at nighttime and I smell smoke and I say fire, what should everyone do?

527
00:35:28,752 --> 00:35:31,727
I most families I know have never talked about that.

528
00:35:32,128 --> 00:35:34,720
So it's, but it's no different than that.

529
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:41,325
And so if you have those kinds of things, and if you decide to be armed and you're
familiar with your gun and you have a good gun, have good ammunition, you know how to

530
00:35:41,325 --> 00:35:41,956
shoot it.

531
00:35:41,956 --> 00:35:45,396
Well, gosh, you know, you've got a spare tire with air in it.

532
00:35:45,396 --> 00:35:46,076
Yep.

533
00:35:46,076 --> 00:35:46,576
Yep.

534
00:35:46,576 --> 00:35:50,536
And I was laughing because I bet I, well, I know for a fact, you're like me.

535
00:35:50,536 --> 00:35:57,816
First of all, you do check the air and your spare because people don't got a tire
inflator, probably got a can of fix a flat.

536
00:35:57,996 --> 00:36:02,456
And I've also got a satellite communicator, which now our iPhones will serve that
function.

537
00:36:02,456 --> 00:36:05,116
But yeah, there's multiple layers of redundancy.

538
00:36:05,116 --> 00:36:07,416
And again, that's not a burden to me.

539
00:36:07,416 --> 00:36:08,772
That's, that's peace of mind.

540
00:36:08,772 --> 00:36:09,652
That's peace of mind.

541
00:36:09,652 --> 00:36:16,334
Which is the good thing about all of this is if you participate in what we're talking
about, that will give you peace of mind.

542
00:36:16,334 --> 00:36:16,935
Yep.

543
00:36:16,935 --> 00:36:17,745
Absolutely.

544
00:36:17,745 --> 00:36:22,816
So, and then you can just enjoy life to the fullest like Roy Huntington does.

545
00:36:22,856 --> 00:36:24,317
that guy certainly does.

546
00:36:24,317 --> 00:36:27,788
I'll tell you what, I'll be damn if I'm going to let them scare me.

547
00:36:27,788 --> 00:36:28,988
Exactly.

548
00:36:28,988 --> 00:36:29,659
You know?

549
00:36:29,659 --> 00:36:30,159
Yeah.

550
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:31,799
I dare you to try and scare me.

551
00:36:31,799 --> 00:36:34,380
Just don't, don't go there.

552
00:36:41,422 --> 00:36:44,874
That wraps up another episode of the Guns Podcast US.

553
00:36:44,874 --> 00:36:51,357
I hope this motivated you to start practicing the what-if game to keep your skills sharp
when it really counts.

554
00:36:51,618 --> 00:36:56,760
Before we go, a big thanks to our amazing sponsor EOTech for making this show possible.

555
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,103
can check out their great reliable optics and other gear at EOTechinc.com.

556
00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:11,368
Now on behalf of the team at Guns Magazine and my co-host Roy Huntington, I'm Brent Wheat
reminding you, now get out there and get shooting.