Purple Rain (1984) vs. Footloose (1984): Movie to Movie Pt 2

<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are on part two of our
<v Speaker 1>comparison of Footloose and Purple Rain, and we are not
<v Speaker 1>going to waste any time. Let's dance.
<v Speaker 2>This is the sixth episode that we've done so far
<v Speaker 2>on our summer of nineteen eighty four. It's been amazing
<v Speaker 2>to go through and just concentrate on one summer.
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the first time you saw either one
<v Speaker 1>of these movies?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I saw Footloose in the theater.
<v Speaker 1>I saw Footloose in the theater.
<v Speaker 2>And I think I saw Purple Rain on HBO when
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have permission to do so.
<v Speaker 1>Right, I can remember vividly seeing I didn't see all
<v Speaker 1>of Purple Rain. But my brother was in high school
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and he goes over to this friend's
<v Speaker 1>house that a bunch of high school kids are going
<v Speaker 1>to watch the VHS copy of this thing, and her
<v Speaker 1>little brother and I are banished to the upstairs and like, you,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you guys are too young, you can't watch this.
<v Speaker 1>And so of course we go upstairs for about seven
<v Speaker 1>minutes and they're like, let's go sneak downstairs, and so
<v Speaker 1>we sneak downstairs. We crawl in the dark on our
<v Speaker 1>hands and knees under the chair that everybody's sitting on.
<v Speaker 1>You know that somebody's sitting on there in the movie room.
<v Speaker 1>We sneak up. We see the TV and it is
<v Speaker 1>the Lake Mini Tanka scene. Well, for starters, you have
<v Speaker 1>to purify yourself in the water. Is a lake in
<v Speaker 1>the time, and we get to see Appollonia's boobies and
<v Speaker 1>we're like, our work here is done. We did not
<v Speaker 1>watch the rest of the movie. We're just like, let's
<v Speaker 1>get out of here before we're caught. We've We've gotten
<v Speaker 1>everything we needed to get for our dar movie.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, I'm out of here.
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<v Speaker 2>Alright, ey, hey boozer, let's talk about production on these movies.
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, we might as well jump into the
<v Speaker 2>Lake Minnetaca scene. Okay, yeah, let's back up just a second. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So filming started on purple rain Halloween of nineteen eighty three. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>the first scene in the movie is actually Prince and
<v Speaker 2>Apollonia riding around on the motorcycle and you have the
<v Speaker 2>fall foliage of Minnesota. Funny part about that it snowed
<v Speaker 2>the next day.
<v Speaker 1>Right right. Hearing Apollonia talk about this in various parts,
<v Speaker 1>the severity of what happened is different, but basically her
<v Speaker 1>jumping in that water two or three times. Afterwards, like
<v Speaker 1>she started to black out and the nurse believed she
<v Speaker 1>was going into hype bathermia. And then apparently she was
<v Speaker 1>sick for some time and stayed at Prince's house and
<v Speaker 1>he like made her soup and took care of her
<v Speaker 1>while she got over the cold or flu or whatever
<v Speaker 1>pneumonia probably that she had from jumping in this ice
<v Speaker 1>cold water.
<v Speaker 2>The Lake Minnetaka scene if you don't remember, Prince says
<v Speaker 2>that he won't help her professionally because she couldn't pass initiation,
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, what are you talking about. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>you got to purify yourself in the lake Manataka, So
<v Speaker 2>she strips down and jumps in. Now that was shot
<v Speaker 2>in Minneapolis. Yes, they realized that they needed some close
<v Speaker 2>ups and some dialogue that they then later shot in
<v Speaker 2>La Yes, not so cold over there, a little bit warmer.
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing when she stayed at Prince's house, Uh huh,
<v Speaker 2>she says, Yeah, I slept in his bed and he
<v Speaker 2>was a perfect gentleman.
<v Speaker 1>Nothing happened, which Prince every time?
<v Speaker 3>What okay?
<v Speaker 4>All right?
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So during the production of Purple Rain, Yes, one
<v Speaker 2>of the things Prince did to get everybody ready for
<v Speaker 2>this is he gave everybody had show up and do
<v Speaker 2>dance lessons in acting class and acting classes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Part of it was to get them better for the movie,
<v Speaker 2>and part of it was to get everybody in shape.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>But there's one person that constantly skipped.
<v Speaker 1>It's who you would expect.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He was also high during the filming of this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mister Morris, mister Morris day at the time.
<v Speaker 1>He's got one of the funniest bits. Like he and
<v Speaker 1>Jerome have a lot of funny bits. But they do
<v Speaker 1>this bit that's a very apt and Costello who's on first.
<v Speaker 1>That's good. I enjoy that bit. They are the comic
<v Speaker 1>relief of this movie that could be a very heavy
<v Speaker 1>movie without their comedy In it, but one of the
<v Speaker 1>important parts of the movie was what are the songs
<v Speaker 1>that we're going to use? Right? Sure, Prince gives Albert
<v Speaker 1>Magnoli this huge catalog of music and he's like, okay, well,
<v Speaker 1>which of these do you want me to use? He
<v Speaker 1>goes you pick. He's like, oh wow, okay, and so
<v Speaker 1>he's going through trying to find songs, and then they
<v Speaker 1>have this event that is now famous.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is the first.
<v Speaker 1>Time that Wendy Melvoy plays with the Revolution. She starts
<v Speaker 1>the song and there are three songs from this live
<v Speaker 1>performance that end up in the album. But one of
<v Speaker 1>those songs is the song Purple Rain.
<v Speaker 2>That concert happened August third, nineteen eighty three. People don't
<v Speaker 2>realize this. I didn't realize it until I started researching this.
<v Speaker 2>The recordings of I Would Die for You Baby, I'm
<v Speaker 2>a Star and Purple Rain are taken from that concert
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty three. Now they produced them up. They
<v Speaker 2>add some strings and some things, but those are the
<v Speaker 2>live recordings from that concert.
<v Speaker 1>It was the first time they had ever performed Purple
<v Speaker 1>Rain live, and it is the version you hear on
<v Speaker 1>the album. And one of the people in the crowd
<v Speaker 1>was Albert mcnoley, and he comes to Prince afterward and
<v Speaker 1>he says, I think that song Purple Rain is the
<v Speaker 1>key to our movie, and Princess, okay, can we call
<v Speaker 1>the movie Purple Rain? He says, sure, that sounds Let's
<v Speaker 1>do it. Not only is it Wendy's first performance with
<v Speaker 1>the band, but it is the moment that the name
<v Speaker 1>of the movie and of course the name of the
<v Speaker 1>album are inspired. I think that that moment was they
<v Speaker 1>caught lightning in a model as you like to say,
<v Speaker 1>it was magic.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was magic, and it makes for a great
<v Speaker 2>climactic part of the movie.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So, apart from the Lake Minnetaka scene, to me, the
<v Speaker 2>most moving part of the movie is when Prince gives
<v Speaker 2>homage to his dad and you have the big climax
<v Speaker 2>of the Purple Rant end of the movie, you actually
<v Speaker 2>have Purple Rain. And then he goes backstage and the
<v Speaker 2>crowd is just chanting and Jill is crying, and they
<v Speaker 2>bring him back and he does I would die for you,
<v Speaker 2>and Baby, I'm a star.
<v Speaker 1>All right.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here's the interesting thing about this. Okay, Throughout
<v Speaker 2>the course of Purple Rain, they did such a great
<v Speaker 2>job of pacing. There is not any ten minute span
<v Speaker 2>where there is not at least one song except for
<v Speaker 2>one part. There is a gap of ten minutes and
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of that there's a sexy all right.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the original storyline as Prince had done it. As
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned before, mom and dad are already dead in
<v Speaker 1>this murder suicide, and the end of his script ends
<v Speaker 1>with his suicide, like he dies at the end of
<v Speaker 1>his storyline, and so that obviously has changed. I think
<v Speaker 1>largely because of our first time director here, who's like,
<v Speaker 1>this is not the right story. What you have is
<v Speaker 1>a guy who wonders, will I turn out like my dad?
<v Speaker 1>And that's why that unpleasant. As the abuse scenes are,
<v Speaker 1>they're critical to the movie because he's realizing that he
<v Speaker 1>is becoming his dad. He is becoming this violent, abusive boyfriend, right,
<v Speaker 1>and he doesn't want to. He saves himself from becoming that,
<v Speaker 1>and that unlocks another key, which is the fact that
<v Speaker 1>he's this kind of domineering. Your music doesn't matter, Wendy
<v Speaker 1>and Lisa, Nobody cares about you. I'm the star, I'm
<v Speaker 1>the key. Well say what you will about Prince and
<v Speaker 1>his abilities. He did a great job acting in this movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>he really really did a great job. And from what
<v Speaker 1>I've read, he would watch himself every day on the dailies,
<v Speaker 1>watch it over and over again figure out what his
<v Speaker 1>mistakes were. And they said, like his improvement was obvious
<v Speaker 1>from beginning to end on his acting abilities. But then
<v Speaker 1>he's got this moment that he's got to go crazy
<v Speaker 1>and tear this stuff up. And that's when he comes
<v Speaker 1>across his father's music. This is the part that you're
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Before his dad's were like that. His dad
<v Speaker 1>was like, that's the difference between you and me, is
<v Speaker 1>you got to write your stuff down. I've got online
<v Speaker 1>right here. Well then he finds out, well, no, his
<v Speaker 1>dad has been writing stuff down, and that's he marries
<v Speaker 1>that with this song that Lisa and Wendy have been
<v Speaker 1>working on the whole movie, and that is the song
<v Speaker 1>that we're led to believe, his Purple Rang.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great story arc the building of the song
<v Speaker 2>that the clim access to at the end.
<v Speaker 1>So here's the interesting thing that scene where he's talking
<v Speaker 1>to his dad and his dad is like, that's the
<v Speaker 1>difference between you and me, and You've got to write
<v Speaker 1>your music down. Yeah, it's an actual conversation that he
<v Speaker 1>and his dad had. His dad showed up, didn't know
<v Speaker 1>what he was. I mean, he just happened to show
<v Speaker 1>up on the day that they're filming that scene, and
<v Speaker 1>he realizes he's kind of walked into something, so he
<v Speaker 1>hides behind what he thinks is like safe place just
<v Speaker 1>so he can listen, and he hears the scene that
<v Speaker 1>he knows is a conversation that he and his son
<v Speaker 1>have had. And then when the scene is over, Prince
<v Speaker 1>is obviously emotional and he walks around the corner right
<v Speaker 1>into his dad and they have this moment of Wow,
<v Speaker 1>our life just became a scene in a movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for real, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's really cool.
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about his father and the suicide, the
<v Speaker 2>studio wasn't comfortable with a murder suicide, or really even
<v Speaker 2>a suicide. Yeah, and so Albert Magnoly is like, no problem,
<v Speaker 2>he won't die, right, And I'm like, guy, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>he stuck a gun to his head and he didn't die.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, is that better?
<v Speaker 1>He missed?
<v Speaker 5>Wow?
<v Speaker 2>He's allows you shot, Harry, You're alive and you're a
<v Speaker 2>terrible shot. Okay, did you know that there is another
<v Speaker 2>sex scene in Purple Rain that has been deleted. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's the Purple Rain sex scene. Like, you actually got
<v Speaker 2>some purple rain. It was not at the halftime show
<v Speaker 2>at the Super Bowl, right right. You have the illusion
<v Speaker 2>of the rain in the background and maybe some lights
<v Speaker 2>or something that makes it look purple. But apparently the
<v Speaker 2>scene was even more awkward and they just it just
<v Speaker 2>didn't really work. But you can see it at the
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the Windows Cry video. There's actually a clip
<v Speaker 2>from it. Yeah, here's the thing I want to.
<v Speaker 1>Talk about real quick.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the sex scene between Prince and Apollonia. Yes, so
<v Speaker 2>they shot that scene three different ways. They shot a
<v Speaker 2>TV version, a PG version, and an R version. We
<v Speaker 2>get the R version, but it's odd. It's just an
<v Speaker 2>odd scene.
<v Speaker 1>Well. I even texted you right after that scene. As
<v Speaker 1>I was watching, I was like, whoa, I do not
<v Speaker 1>remember the V grab that happens in this scene.
<v Speaker 2>The hands wonder for sure. Yeah, but there's no nudity.
<v Speaker 1>Nope, although you can pretty well see through her paintings.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I've got a couple of little interesting tidbits
<v Speaker 2>on production Purple Range. Okay, so Prince and his good
<v Speaker 2>buddy Morris Day high school friends and bandmates.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>According to one of the guys in the Time, mister
<v Speaker 2>Jellybean Johnson, they got in a fistfight on the set
<v Speaker 2>of Purple Range. Oh so, as you said before, Morris
<v Speaker 2>Day had a substance abuse problem. He would show up late,
<v Speaker 2>he would show up not at all, he would not
<v Speaker 2>go to dance lessons, and just generally be a huge
<v Speaker 2>pain in the butt to everyone. Prince had enough of
<v Speaker 2>it one day, and apparently they got into it pretty good.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. So the scene where the Time is doing jungle Love,
<v Speaker 1>this is this really a memorable part where the guys
<v Speaker 1>are dancing like they're up on the balcony and you've
<v Speaker 1>got them all dancing synchronicity together. Yes. So that dance
<v Speaker 1>group was known as Game Boys, and they later like
<v Speaker 1>three of those group of the group members Tony Moseley,
<v Speaker 1>Kirk Johnson, and Damon Dixon became members of Prince's band,
<v Speaker 1>The New Power Generation. They're also background dancers on Graffiti Bridge.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, not a big, not a big, not so much.
<v Speaker 2>Morris Day says a total of thirteen words to the kid.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know how many the words the kid says
<v Speaker 2>to Morris Day, that would be a Goose eggainst zero
<v Speaker 2>view the.
<v Speaker 1>One More Thing yep.
<v Speaker 2>During the production, Albert Magnola comes to Prince and he says, listen,
<v Speaker 2>I've got this music montage, and I want a song
<v Speaker 2>that kind of encapsulates all of the drama from the movie,
<v Speaker 2>just kind of carries us through all the emotions that
<v Speaker 2>the kid is going through. Right, you got problems with mom,
<v Speaker 2>You've got problems with dad, You've got problems with your girlfriend,
<v Speaker 2>you got problems with your band. Can you come up
<v Speaker 2>with something? So Prince is like, yeah, I think I
<v Speaker 2>can come up with something. The next Day comes back
<v Speaker 2>two songs. One of them when does cry.
<v Speaker 1>Wow you forgot the bass. We'll get into that when
<v Speaker 1>we go track by track, So one more thing yep.
<v Speaker 1>Just before Prince plays beautiful ones when Morris Day is
<v Speaker 1>trying to pick up Apolonia, remember he leaves the girls
<v Speaker 1>and he goes and sits down at the table that
<v Speaker 1>Apollonia is at. Yes, all of his pickup lines are
<v Speaker 1>paraphrase lines from the Times songs. So Chili saus comes
<v Speaker 1>from ice Cream, Castle comes from Jungle Love, and the
<v Speaker 1>bird What time is it? Yeah? That's actually yeah, the
<v Speaker 1>title of their second album.
<v Speaker 2>I heard that Albert Magnoli sat down with Morris Day
<v Speaker 2>and Jerome and said, all right, guys, here's what the
<v Speaker 2>script says. Uh huh, Now, how would you say it right?
<v Speaker 2>And they would say, well, I would say this, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I would say that that line, how's the family? That's
<v Speaker 2>More's Day.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay, let's jump back over to Footloose. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we talked about casting already, but let's talk about who
<v Speaker 1>gave the best performance, right, yeah, okay, So we've got
<v Speaker 1>a lot of incredible actors. So you think Kevin.
<v Speaker 2>Bacon good, but I wouldn't say he's the best. John
<v Speaker 2>Letcott again excellent, but not the best performance.
<v Speaker 1>Lori singer, No what who do you have?
<v Speaker 3>Hey?
<v Speaker 1>Listen.
<v Speaker 2>They all did a great job, including Chris Bean, sarahj
<v Speaker 2>Justica Parker, Dian Weist. They all did a great job.
<v Speaker 2>But the person who gave the greatest performance in Footlers
<v Speaker 2>is the kid who falls asleep in church at the
<v Speaker 2>very beginning. When his dad wakes him up, he looks
<v Speaker 2>like he wishes he were dead.
<v Speaker 1>That was a memorable There's not a better performance. That
<v Speaker 1>was for real, real stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Look I've been in church a lot of times, and
<v Speaker 2>I guarantee I've looked like that a lot of times too.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so let's let's talk a little bit about
<v Speaker 1>prep work that these guys did for their acting performances. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So Kevin Bacon was twenty four at the time that
<v Speaker 1>he was going to do this performance, and so he's like,
<v Speaker 1>am I still in touch with what high schoolers are doing? Right?
<v Speaker 1>And so he hit up the principle of a local
<v Speaker 1>high school and said, Hey, I'd like to come, you know,
<v Speaker 1>check out your high school. And he had this plan that,
<v Speaker 1>like he was going to be like John Travolta in
<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Fever, trying to strut through the place and
<v Speaker 1>be cool and stuff, and he ended up having an
<v Speaker 1>experience that was completely different than they expected.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So he walked in like mister tough guy and realized
<v Speaker 2>pretty quickly this is very uncomfortable. So he lowered his eyes,
<v Speaker 2>lowered his head, tried not to be noticed, and felt
<v Speaker 2>very alone, isolated, even scared.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was wearing a tie, like a skinny tie
<v Speaker 1>and literally got made fun of for the skinny tie,
<v Speaker 1>like the line of the movie hey nice tie. It
<v Speaker 1>came from that experience, and so it's really truly interesting
<v Speaker 1>because I think that frames up a much better movie
<v Speaker 1>if you've got a character who's like kind of happen
<v Speaker 1>to duck his head and he wants to be cool,
<v Speaker 1>but he's struggling. I mean, he's struggling throughout the beginning
<v Speaker 1>of this thing because he's unsure of himself, which would
<v Speaker 1>make sense. I mean, living with your mom to this
<v Speaker 1>new place where nobody knows you, and you're getting hassled.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think you're cool, but nobody else thinks
<v Speaker 2>you're cool.
<v Speaker 1>Right, You're doing the stuff that was cool where you
<v Speaker 1>were from, but everybody here seems to think that that's
<v Speaker 1>the devil's music. I know, hey, you know what that
<v Speaker 1>reminds me too.
<v Speaker 2>When they first explained to him that dancing is illegal. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's like jump back, jump back. That was a term
<v Speaker 2>that Kevin Bacon actually brought to the script, right, and
<v Speaker 2>they thought, all right, that's cool enough to leave in.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay. So it's interesting because John Lithcow kind
<v Speaker 1>of did the same thing on his own. So he
<v Speaker 1>wasn't raised in like a Christian household, It wasn't a
<v Speaker 1>part of his upbringing, so he wanted to know what
<v Speaker 1>it was like, and so he called a local minister
<v Speaker 1>there in the town that they were filming at and
<v Speaker 1>posed as someone who was having spiritual difficulties and you know,
<v Speaker 1>I've got questions, can you help me out? And the
<v Speaker 1>guy was like, oh, of course, and met with him
<v Speaker 1>and talked with him for hours, and he said, I
<v Speaker 1>felt like a total snake in the grass because this
<v Speaker 1>was just the nicest guy, really persuasive about Jesus and
<v Speaker 1>his love, and it was just like I felt lower
<v Speaker 1>than low. But again, that's the perfect thing to inform
<v Speaker 1>his performance for this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I think that's awesome. That's super fascinating that both
<v Speaker 2>of those actors would probably have taken their role in
<v Speaker 2>a different direction had they not done those two things.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, so. I can remember as a kid, I
<v Speaker 1>thought John Lefga's character was just this awful, you know,
<v Speaker 1>tyrannical human being. But watching as an adult, I'm like, no,
<v Speaker 1>this guy is the guy who's like, he's trying to
<v Speaker 1>do his best. He's trying hard to make things right
<v Speaker 1>and protect his flock because he's lost one of them,
<v Speaker 1>and the one that he lost was his own kid. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's a huge that's a huge deal. And so when
<v Speaker 1>I go back and I look and I'm like, who's
<v Speaker 1>the hero? Well, you got two. You have two heroes
<v Speaker 1>in here, two guys who make character shifts. And so
<v Speaker 1>that Kevin Bacon, going from the guy who's insecure and
<v Speaker 1>trying his best to you know, be a part of something,
<v Speaker 1>finds this thing to latch onto, this cause to latch onto,
<v Speaker 1>and then he gets to stand up and talk in
<v Speaker 1>front of the entire town. And it's not something you
<v Speaker 1>can tell, it's not something that he enjoys. As a
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, that Kevin Bacon, the actor said, I
<v Speaker 1>really don't like public speaking, Like it was difficult for
<v Speaker 1>me to do that scene because I'm not used to
<v Speaker 1>talking in front of a large group of people like that.
<v Speaker 2>He brokes that in hives.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I means kind of weird. I mean, he's a
<v Speaker 1>Broadway actor before this, but I guess, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>lights are down, you don't see people, you just in
<v Speaker 1>the moment. But with this one, he's trying to talk
<v Speaker 1>to an entire crowd of people. And as for a
<v Speaker 1>lot of folks, it's really intimidating. But he it's because
<v Speaker 1>of that he gets that character shift where he's like
<v Speaker 1>he finally gets to pound the table and say this
<v Speaker 1>is wrong and he stands up for something where he's
<v Speaker 1>been kind of beat down through the beginning of the episode.
<v Speaker 1>And then you got John Lithgow who sees, you know,
<v Speaker 1>he's doing all he can to protect people. He's trying
<v Speaker 1>to stop what he sees as this menacing thing. But
<v Speaker 1>then he starts to realize at the book burning right
<v Speaker 1>after he has this horrible encounter with his daughter in
<v Speaker 1>the church, he goes because they're burning books in front
<v Speaker 1>of the library and he sees that his flock has
<v Speaker 1>taken it too far right. It's like he's like, oh no,
<v Speaker 1>this is you know, what I meant for good has
<v Speaker 1>turned into something evil and I've got to I got
<v Speaker 1>to change my perspective.
<v Speaker 2>As that's really interesting that you say that. So for me,
<v Speaker 2>when you say give me a movie that you had
<v Speaker 2>one perspective as a young person and that perspective has
<v Speaker 2>changed over the years. Phillis is my number one example.
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<v Speaker 2>As a young person, I'm like, let the kids dance, man, absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>and I still like let the kids dance. But let's
<v Speaker 2>not forget the pastor. He lost his son in an accident. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and he's lost and he's hurting, and he doesn't want
<v Speaker 2>to lose his daughter as well. And he's got the
<v Speaker 2>responsibility of his flock, like you said, and so it's
<v Speaker 2>complex and he's trying to do the right thing for everyone, right.
<v Speaker 2>And Ariel is a little bit off the rails and
<v Speaker 2>she's standing on two racing cars going towards a semi.
<v Speaker 2>As a father, I would brown upon that behavior, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>of course.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And my daughter will tell you like that because her
<v Speaker 1>parents were too restrictive.
<v Speaker 2>Well, and we all have something to learn.
<v Speaker 1>And I mean I can identify with that as how
<v Speaker 1>I felt when I was a kid too, you know,
<v Speaker 1>like this is too much. I'm gonna go out and
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do things that are crazy just because I
<v Speaker 1>need to live life a little bit. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned the scene where Wren goes in front
<v Speaker 2>of the school board. Yeah, no, it's the public. It's
<v Speaker 2>the town council.
<v Speaker 1>It's the town council, real life, real life Elmore City
<v Speaker 1>was the school board. By the way, Arla mentioned that
<v Speaker 1>Larry Current that preacher actually looks like John Witkow.
<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, that's going to meet that guy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Dean Pitchford I listened to the commentary, Dean
<v Speaker 2>Pitchford said that that scene was originally written as a
<v Speaker 2>more pound the table type of thing, let us dance,
<v Speaker 2>this is our moment, we need this, but Kevin Bacon
<v Speaker 2>pulled back and it gave more gravitas and it was
<v Speaker 2>more like you could hear a pin drop type of thing.
<v Speaker 2>And he said that was the right thing, that was
<v Speaker 2>the right choice for that character.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, the insecurity that you can see and having to
<v Speaker 1>overcome that made it more compelling.
<v Speaker 2>And absolutely and as a church going person, when you
<v Speaker 2>pull out scripture to aid you in your argument against
<v Speaker 2>a pastor, it's a little disarming.
<v Speaker 1>This powerful moment, A powerful moment, okay. And I want
<v Speaker 1>to say one of the things is when I hadn't
<v Speaker 1>brought Arlen up. So just a couple of other little stories.
<v Speaker 1>He says he can remember there were some guys who
<v Speaker 1>were trying to break dance behind the school and cop
<v Speaker 1>came and told him if they didn't stop that they'd
<v Speaker 1>get arrested. Now keep in mind he's younger, like he's
<v Speaker 1>he graduated in the late eighties, but this law was
<v Speaker 1>still a law up until nineteen ninety two in Elmore City. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's twelve years after they have their first prom.
<v Speaker 1>Finally they changed the law to allow for public dancing.
<v Speaker 1>He said. It was actually the second time that those
<v Speaker 1>guys had gotten caught. The first time they got caught
<v Speaker 1>was by the shop teacher and he just wailed on
<v Speaker 1>him with a paddle old school.
<v Speaker 2>Which again, right, that's awesome. Hey, you guys, break it up,
<v Speaker 2>no more breakdancing. Back here and get the paddle out,
<v Speaker 2>grab your ankles. So Kevin Bacon had to do some dancing.
<v Speaker 2>He had to do some gymnastics. He actually said that
<v Speaker 2>during the rage dance. Okay, let's let's talk about the
<v Speaker 2>rage dance for a second. So Ren finally gets tired
<v Speaker 2>of it. He's had enough, so he goes to this
<v Speaker 2>warehouse and he rage dances right, and he smokes and
<v Speaker 2>he drinks and he dances right. This is the Rebellious Act.
<v Speaker 2>And it's a little bit it's I mean, it's a
<v Speaker 2>lot corny.
<v Speaker 1>And so like cheet, but the music is great and
<v Speaker 1>so we go along with absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>But during that scene, I think there were five total
<v Speaker 2>people involved, including Kevin Bacon. So you have a gymnast,
<v Speaker 2>you have like a ballet dancer, you have Kevin Bacon,
<v Speaker 2>you have a dance and so there's five people involved
<v Speaker 2>in that scene. And Kevin Bacon wanted to do it
<v Speaker 2>all himself, and they had to kind of say, Nick
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin.
<v Speaker 1>You're pretty good at a bunch.
<v Speaker 2>Of things, but this isn't what we want.
<v Speaker 1>So let's go someplace dark and put your face in
<v Speaker 1>the shadow. That's it, and by your face with me.
<v Speaker 2>The other guy, one of the guys was Chuck Gaylord,
<v Speaker 2>who is Mitch Gaylord's brother, Mitch Gaylord being the Olympic
<v Speaker 2>like nineteen eighty four Olympic gymnasts starred in the movie
<v Speaker 2>American Anthem nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>Wow looking shoot with your knowledge that boom.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's talk about the tractor scene.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, first of all, you have read on a tractor.
<v Speaker 2>He has no idea how to drive a tractor, and
<v Speaker 2>they give him the crash course of like, okay, here's
<v Speaker 2>the clatcher's steering.
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a great scene where Chris pen keeps repeating
<v Speaker 1>everything that the other guy is saying. It's hysterical.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, there's a clutch.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a clutch.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And his shoelace gets caught on the accelerator.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this movie is rebel without a cause, except
<v Speaker 1>that he has a cause now right. It is a
<v Speaker 1>throwback to the old James Dean thing. And of course,
<v Speaker 1>just like the old James Dean thing, they've they've got
<v Speaker 1>a race, a chicken race, right, and so you've got
<v Speaker 1>this awesome moment where it's if anybody studied game theory,
<v Speaker 1>this is a really interesting kind of dynamic that you
<v Speaker 1>got to look at because somebody's got to give. Somebody
<v Speaker 1>has to give in this game, and it turns out
<v Speaker 1>Rin is the one that gives.
<v Speaker 2>Rain tries to give about ten dimes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he gives like ten seconds in. Yeah, okay, that
<v Speaker 1>guy's like one hundred feet from me. So I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and oh shoot my footstock. Yeah, my shoelace
<v Speaker 1>is stuck.
<v Speaker 2>Around the acceler and then he finally is like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>here it comes.
<v Speaker 1>I can't get off, and so now my only option
<v Speaker 1>is to just keep going forward and not like go
<v Speaker 1>off the end of the ditch. And I wondered because,
<v Speaker 1>like before when I had watched it, him, like how
<v Speaker 1>does he get a shoelace off so easily? Afterwards, when
<v Speaker 1>he finally stops and it starts again, and it stops again,
<v Speaker 1>you can see him yank his foot really hard. I
<v Speaker 1>can give that up as he's just finally like I'm
<v Speaker 1>ripping this thing off, and then he starts cheering like
<v Speaker 1>he's the hero and didn't Yeah, holding out.
<v Speaker 2>For the Hero, And you overlay it with the great
<v Speaker 2>Bonnie Tyler song holding Out for a Hero.
<v Speaker 4>It is a great scene.
<v Speaker 2>It's funny, it's entertaining, and it's thrilling.
<v Speaker 1>Totally, totally great scene, one of the best of the movie.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, I don't know if we talked about this.
<v Speaker 2>All this was filmed in Utah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he went to Kevin Bacon went to a high
<v Speaker 1>school in Utah. John Lyndgusov preacher in Utah, and the
<v Speaker 1>tractor race was in Utah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's Utah County, Utah. It's like the heart of Utah.
<v Speaker 2>And when they talked to Herbert Ross, Dean Pitchford was like, well,
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of thinking like the wheat fields of Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 2>and Herbert Ross is like, listen, trust me. When there's
<v Speaker 2>nothing on the screen, but there's mountains in the background,
<v Speaker 2>it's more interesting to look out. Just just go with
<v Speaker 2>me on this. And they're like, okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you cannot beat the wheat fields in northern Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 1>Whenever it's June harvest time, it's wonderful. It's like golden
<v Speaker 1>oceans out there. But that's only for about a month
<v Speaker 1>out of the year. Yeah, so not a good time
<v Speaker 1>to try to do that.
<v Speaker 2>One more thing, I wanted to talk about the dance
<v Speaker 2>montage with Kevin Bacon and Chris Penn where he's teaching
<v Speaker 2>him how to dance. So there's this whole dance montage
<v Speaker 2>set to Let's Hear It for the Boy by the
<v Speaker 2>Denise Williams, and Kevin Bacon is taking Crispin under his
<v Speaker 2>wing and he's teaching him how to dance in preparation
<v Speaker 2>for the prom It's interesting because they scattered around and
<v Speaker 2>it's it's in the gym, it's at farm, it's in
<v Speaker 2>the fields, it's at the football field.
<v Speaker 1>It's all over the cars.
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So what they did was while they were filming it,
<v Speaker 2>the last scene of every day on the shooting schedule
<v Speaker 2>was the dance scene, and so Kevin Bacon and Crispan
<v Speaker 2>would dance. Here's the interesting thing. The song that they
<v Speaker 2>had was not Let's Hear It for the Boy. It
<v Speaker 2>was one of the original songs that they have, which
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about when we go track by track next week.
<v Speaker 2>But when they would do their dancing the last scene
<v Speaker 2>of every day, and then they cobbled this montage together.
<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's really cool to see a ton
<v Speaker 2>of different locations and they're dancing.
<v Speaker 1>Sounds great. Okay, let's jump back over to the performances
<v Speaker 1>in Purple Range. Okay, we talked before all of the
<v Speaker 1>characters were pretty much I mean they were based on
<v Speaker 1>their real life counterparts, right right. But you've got one
<v Speaker 1>critical character that is an actor that came from the
<v Speaker 1>mod squad, Clarence Williams the third He is a guy
<v Speaker 1>who is a driving force through this whole movie, right right,
<v Speaker 1>So it's not a complicated script, right, it's boy meets girl,
<v Speaker 1>Boy loses girl, Boy realizes that he's enacting the abusive
<v Speaker 1>behavior of his father and mother and realizes he should change,
<v Speaker 1>and then also realizes that he's got this commonality with
<v Speaker 1>his father. Boy gets girl back, Boy.
<v Speaker 2>Plays amazing song. Win's girl back. That's right, right.
<v Speaker 1>So at that point, you know the scene where he's
<v Speaker 1>talking to Prince and he's at he talked to the
<v Speaker 1>kid and he's at the end of his rope and
<v Speaker 1>he asked him about having a girlfriend. Yeah, and he's
<v Speaker 1>like lover. He's like, you know, I don't know yet, right,
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, don't ever get married. Was so powerful
<v Speaker 1>that Albert Magnoli said they wept as they watched them
<v Speaker 1>perform the scene. Strong, strong performance. And then again, the
<v Speaker 1>reason I say he's the driving force is because of
<v Speaker 1>that change that has to occur in the kid like
<v Speaker 1>he's doesn't want to be like his father, he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>want to be like his mother. But then he as
<v Speaker 1>time goes on, he sees himself becoming them, which I
<v Speaker 1>think was the idea from the beginning, when Prince first
<v Speaker 1>wrote these words down on notebook paper. That was the
<v Speaker 1>whole notion, was that he had become his mother and
<v Speaker 1>had become his father, and that's why he wanted to
<v Speaker 1>play those parts himself in flashback scenes. But obviously the
<v Speaker 1>way they did it was much better than that idea.
<v Speaker 1>But he's got to make that change. Did I tell
<v Speaker 1>you that like the end of the movie that Prince wrote,
<v Speaker 1>he commits suicide, Like that's the end of that movie,
<v Speaker 1>Like he puts in his mom's ear rings and he
<v Speaker 1>goes ahead and commits suicide. So thank goodness that they
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it that way. This was not this could
<v Speaker 1>not be a downer movie with the music that you have.
<v Speaker 2>No, no, they thank you for not making that choice.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, that advice don't ever get married, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's actual advice from Prince's dad to Prince as a
<v Speaker 2>young man.
<v Speaker 1>It is very biographical this movie. Yep. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way. I don't know if you know this,
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to get too much into music.
<v Speaker 2>We're talking pretty strictly about movie. But when Prince and
<v Speaker 2>Albert Magnoli were working on Purple Rain, Prince gave him
<v Speaker 2>one hundred songs to choose. From one of those songs
<v Speaker 2>that was not in that hundred Purple Rain, right, another
<v Speaker 2>one win dubscry right.
<v Speaker 1>All of I mean, those two and one other that
<v Speaker 1>made it onto the soundtrack all came through the live
<v Speaker 1>performance in nineteen eighty three. It went third nineteen eighty three,
<v Speaker 1>Wendy Melvoin's first performance. It was, like I said, last time.
<v Speaker 1>Albert was in the crowd when they did that performs
<v Speaker 1>and when he heard Purple Rain, that was what made
<v Speaker 1>him go to him and say, I would really like
<v Speaker 1>to make this the key song in the movie. It's
<v Speaker 1>so powerful, And Prince said, can we name the movie
<v Speaker 1>Purple Rain? Sounds great, Let's do it, And what a
<v Speaker 1>great name. It's great, that's great.
<v Speaker 2>The scene where Prince's dad is playing the piano, yep,
<v Speaker 2>and he they're having this discussion about that's the difference
<v Speaker 2>between you and me. I don't have to write my
<v Speaker 2>songs down that piano piece of piano music, it's actually
<v Speaker 2>being played by Prince.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and it ends up in one of Prince's songs.
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's on computer blue.
<v Speaker 1>It's so hard not to talk about the music on
<v Speaker 1>the movie is all about the music.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. Did you know that Purple Rain
<v Speaker 2>was selected for preservation in the National Film Registry by
<v Speaker 2>the Library of Congress.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's an incredible move.
<v Speaker 2>We will get into that. We will get into that.
<v Speaker 2>You know who the only guy who doesn't speak in
<v Speaker 2>the movie from the Revolution?
<v Speaker 1>Is it Mark Brown? Mark Brown Brown Mark.
<v Speaker 2>What an unfortunate nickname.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's terrible.
<v Speaker 2>So let's move on to the reception and the success
<v Speaker 2>of these movies.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So both of these movies, the album came out
<v Speaker 1>before the movie, right.
<v Speaker 2>And that's huge, particularly in Purple Rain's instance.
<v Speaker 1>I would say it's huge in Footloose's instance as well, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, if you don't know those songs already,
<v Speaker 1>there are new songs when you're watching a movie and
<v Speaker 1>they're not as impactful.
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's true Footloose.
<v Speaker 1>The album did so well that people would buy the
<v Speaker 1>album having never seen the movie before the fact that
<v Speaker 1>it was getting played on the radio had a huge imbo.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, just like we talked about with Huey Lewis,
<v Speaker 1>Power of Love was the number one song the week
<v Speaker 1>that Back to the Future came out. The very first
<v Speaker 1>cool scene that we see is him skateboarding behind the
<v Speaker 1>cars and that music is what's playing in the background.
<v Speaker 1>And so it's perfect that the album comes out before
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's familiar with these and they are dancing along
<v Speaker 1>with those guys.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the original ending of Phittlos before we
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, okay, we kind of this goes a long
<v Speaker 2>with what you were talking about this success. The original
<v Speaker 2>ending was they got the council to agree to let
<v Speaker 2>them have a dance. Yes, And the director, his quote was,
<v Speaker 2>if you spin the whole movie trying to get the car,
<v Speaker 2>when they give you the keys to the car, you
<v Speaker 2>actually possess the car, right, and that's the end of
<v Speaker 2>the story. So they screened it with basically they arrive
<v Speaker 2>at the prom and that's the end, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So Dean Pitchford says, guys, I think we need to
<v Speaker 2>add a song here and let them dance and let
<v Speaker 2>the audience participate in the dance absolutely, And so when
<v Speaker 2>they originally screened it with the just arriving at the
<v Speaker 2>prom and that's the end of the movie, audiences did
<v Speaker 2>not like the movie. But you throw in the Kenny
<v Speaker 2>Loggins go Crazy footloose song, and you have the break dancers,
<v Speaker 2>and you have Kevin Bacon come in, Let's dance and
<v Speaker 2>they dance, and you have the credits and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>A little bit, but it went from a movie that
<v Speaker 2>was this liked to a movie that was a huge
<v Speaker 2>smash because the audience wanted to party with the cast.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like you said, if you're spinning the
<v Speaker 1>whole movie trying to get the car and you end
<v Speaker 1>with them getting the keys, the audience is like going
<v Speaker 1>to be what, where's the car?
<v Speaker 2>I want to see the car. I want in the car.
<v Speaker 1>That's the whole point of the whole movie. And you
<v Speaker 1>also had to have some sort of resolution with the bullies, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Trick's boyfriend.
<v Speaker 1>You had to have some sort of resolution, and they
<v Speaker 1>chose to have a parking lot brawl out of it.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's great. Let's kick a little, but let's
<v Speaker 1>get these guys out of here. Let's do a big
<v Speaker 1>karate kick to the face and then let's go dance.
<v Speaker 1>That's it, Let's dance. Side note. Elmore city first prom
<v Speaker 1>theme was Stairway to Heaven.
<v Speaker 2>Nice.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's any break dancing going on.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think breakdancing was a thing yet in nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like eighty two that breakdancing really started.
<v Speaker 2>That's the type of information you get here at the Shirley.
<v Speaker 2>Can't be serious there you go nowhere else will you
<v Speaker 2>find that information? Yes, all right, let's flip back to
<v Speaker 2>Purple rainka reception. Here is where the match hits the
<v Speaker 2>fuse of the megaton bomb that becomes purple Rain, so
<v Speaker 2>you have win. Doves Cry is released as a single
<v Speaker 2>and a video May sixteenth and nineteen eighty four, and
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you from experience it was the song
<v Speaker 2>of the Summer of eighty four. The album drops a
<v Speaker 2>month and a half later June twenty fifth, nineteen eighty four,
<v Speaker 2>and then on July sixteenth, nineteen eighty four, Wind Doves
<v Speaker 2>Cry is the number one song in the country. That's
<v Speaker 2>when they released Let's Go Crazy July sixteen, and then
<v Speaker 2>the movie drops July twenty seventh, nineteen eighty two.
<v Speaker 1>Then they have the Hollywood premiere of the movie. Everyone
<v Speaker 1>shows up.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, like it's a.
<v Speaker 1>Red carpet event. You've got Eddie Murphy, You've got Prince
<v Speaker 1>and all his purple wonderfulness. It is a huge, huge event.
<v Speaker 2>It is it is. Let me back up a second.
<v Speaker 2>I got a little bit ahead of myself.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So when they finished the movie, they screened it for
<v Speaker 2>Warner Brothers. They showed it after the first screening, everybody
<v Speaker 2>thought it was a dud zoinks what So Magnoli said, listen,
<v Speaker 2>this movie's going to do forty million dollars. Don't kill
<v Speaker 2>this movie. If you do, it will be a travesty
<v Speaker 2>against art. Let this movie live. And he kind of
<v Speaker 2>had that pounding thing. He said, here's what you do.
<v Speaker 2>Here's your marketing campaign. You put an ad in every
<v Speaker 2>paper saying Warner Brothers presents prints in his first motion picture,
<v Speaker 2>Purple Rain, in every major city that has a black community.
<v Speaker 2>They test it in Culver City, California. The numbers were
<v Speaker 2>so far through the roof that they accused the producer
<v Speaker 2>of stacking the deck. They're like, this is bogus, this
<v Speaker 2>is bull You called all your friends. So what we're
<v Speaker 2>going to do is we're going to screen it two
<v Speaker 2>other places, and we're not going to tell you where
<v Speaker 2>we're going to do it. So they screened it in
<v Speaker 2>Denver and in San Diego, and the same thing happened.
<v Speaker 1>Numbers through the roof.
<v Speaker 2>They had to show up multiple times because people would
<v Speaker 2>come back and want to watch it again. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 2>so they were like, well, this is crazy, we don't
<v Speaker 2>get it, but it's it's on fire, right. So that's
<v Speaker 2>when they decided. One of brothers decided to put on
<v Speaker 2>nine hundred screens worldwide and it made close to seventy
<v Speaker 2>million dollars that summer.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, by.
<v Speaker 2>The way, if you get a chance to go back
<v Speaker 2>and look at that MTV premiere, yeah, it's super cool.
<v Speaker 1>All right. So normally this is the point where we
<v Speaker 1>would go into the soundtracks of the movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Man.
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to talk music.
<v Speaker 1>Next week. No, these two albums are too big to
<v Speaker 1>make a single part of some other show. You've got
<v Speaker 1>to come back. We will talk Footloose next week. We
<v Speaker 1>will talk Purple Rain the album the week after that,
<v Speaker 1>and then we will give you our final judgment. What's
<v Speaker 1>the best movie, what's the best out.
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be amazing.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go track by track. You're gonna learn things
<v Speaker 2>about these songs that you never knew.
<v Speaker 1>Come back next.
<v Speaker 5>Week, mister, do you like what you pass back? I
<v Speaker 5>got no mone