2025 NFL Week 10 Early Games Preview

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Speaker 2: It, and that's why we need him to lead off here. Okay, first game, Steve.

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Speaker 6: Why Steve Baltimore Ravens coming off of two wins in a row, are three and a half point favorites at the Minnesota Bikeen who got JJ McCarthy back and feel great about it? The over under forty nine and a half. Kevin Coogler and Darryl Moose Johnston on the call, both of these teams juicy one.

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Speaker 2: How do you see it going? The juicy game.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad I got the Purple on because we're starting off with the two purple teams right here.

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Speaker 2: Three and a half is a little bit much for me.

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Speaker 4: I think the Vikings defensively looked much better than we've seen them play in a long time. Could have been a familiar opponent in Detroit, but they seemed to have some things going and a lot because they got Alex Van Kinkle back right, He's an edgeshtd that they were lacking. He's a heck of a player, which is why I'm not that comfortable with the three and a half for Baltimore. Not saying the Ravens are gonna win, but this is gonna be a pretty darn tight game. And I love what JJ McCarthy brought. He brought some of that, you know, justin Herbert. I got this like we're all good, I'm fresh now. There was a lot more juice to that offense than it was with the one armed Carson.

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Speaker 3: Wins because he wasn't afraid to go for it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: He actually had some bad negative plays were there were a couple plays where he turned the wrong way. One resulted in the fumble that they that they got back. He missed a couple throws in terms of accuracy. Brady was a little hard on him, but he kept just like firing it. And he also had some big time play so I think they will take that trade off, certainly out of a young player like McCarthy, but even comparing him to what we saw early in the season and what we saw out of Wentz.

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Speaker 2: You want a.

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Speaker 1: Little big playability because you have so many big playmakers on your offense with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was such a great confidence boosting game mentally for JJ McCarthy. We talked about it a little bit on the Recap Show. It wasn't just that the floor of every other phase that was supposed to already be helping a young quarterback out the plan going into the season, whether it was a run game that looks improved, or an offensive line that played better, or a defense that looked like itself again getting into the backfield making plays on the ball. That defensive line looked leaps and bounds better than it had over the last couple of weeks. For the Vikings, all of those things combined give JJ McCarthy a complete runway. The only problem is they're catching the Ravens at a time when the Ravens are vastly improved on the defensive side of the ball. And it starts with moving Kyle Hamilton back to linebacker and defensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: Well I wanted two years in a row.

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Speaker 4: They've made a change in the rotation in the middle of the season, so they make the trade and they get a lowhi gilman from the.

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Speaker 2: Charges to the heck of a player he has looked all world.

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Speaker 4: Last year they did with our Darius Washington, who ruptured his achilles working out this offseason.

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Speaker 2: But that switch.

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Speaker 4: Now they're moving Cayle Hamilton closer to the lion scrimmage. Last year they moved him back off the line of scrimmage. Has changed the flow of their defense. So that's interesting how that one position, with that one player in Kyle Hamilton, but two different guys who's shown up has really influenced what they do well.

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Speaker 6: I think what we see in the second and really the defense with Baltimore these past two years is where they have the talent deficiency because Kyle Hamilton is the versatile talented player, and you get like Teddy Buchanan who's still playing a lot of snaps where you feel like, wow, we really need some more athleticism in certain spots in the field. You get Kyle Hamilton down there, you can make adjustments elsewhere and things work out a little bit better. You would like to see more pass rush, but Kyle Hamilton, Yeah, in that as well, it's tough for one guy to be the solution to everything, which is the major concern.

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Speaker 2: But that's the issue on offense as well.

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Speaker 3: I wish I brought him up for Defensive Player of the Year potentially, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, we're getting ro Quants with back healthy help. But flip side of that, since it we're coming off the trade deadline. To this point, there has been no more influential trade than the Chargers getting adafe O Way from the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: He's got four sacks or Gilman. Yes, it helped out both teams, helped up.

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Speaker 5: Both and wins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've hardly ever seen the Ravens night it got. It fell a little under the radar because it happened Monday. We didn't mention it on the Monday Night ricap. But Draymont Jones going to the Ravens. Now that was a guy who in Denver had a big enough season to get a monster contract in Seattle. Did not really work out in Seattle, but in Tennessee this year he was playing well. And I wonder, Patrick, you're a Ravens fan, like, which defensive improvement do you think like is more trustworthy sticking because the Vikings did look like a different defense and the Ravens I noticed not only did they add Draymond Jones. All fifty three players were available at practice this.

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Speaker 3: Week, and that is here. They cut like that they're the healthiest team in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: On that one, But I think that's more consistent in terms of the high variants that you get when you're still I mean, they're not blitzing at the rate of like the twenty twenty four vikings were for Brian Flores, but they still blitz at a high volume, So there is variance there. And they're going up against in this matchup, the best quarterback in the NFL against the Blitz right now, and Lamar is still completing ninety's played.

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Speaker 2: It's a high.

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Speaker 6: Level on play action, and I've screened like, if it's working every time, run it every time. And in the second half against the against the Dolphins, it was play action, play after play after play it.

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Speaker 2: Was it was working. So we'll see if it works against Flora is a company.

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Speaker 5: I almost don't I say. I feel like I say this every time Flores comes up against a quarterback that's playing really well against the blitz or even like medium against the blitz. I want to see those weird, funky coverages where he just drops everybody. I know, I know that you know they have been up and down when just trying to rush for even rush a lighter, a lighter front. But to your point, with Van Ginkle back in that front, everything that front playing better. I just want to see them drop everybody. And I have no doubt that Lamar can navigate that. But I want to see them make it as tough as possible in a different way than we are typically accustomed to.

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Speaker 2: Sing for the game to do it, it might be the game to do it.

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Speaker 1: They said a lot about Van Ginkle's importance. I think the way they used him, he he's kind of like their Kyle Hamilton in a way. And Blake Cashman is healthier now too, in that like they can ask him to do a lot of different stuff and he opens up the playbook. Dallas Turner, their first round pick from a year ago, went from playing about every step to not playing just about at all, and they definitely look better. I just love a game like this where they're playing each other unfortunately, like at the perfect time for us as neutral fans, not for Patrick as a Ravens fan, where they just both need this game so bad. They both feel like they're ready to take off. And yet the loser of this game, and these two teams won what twenty six games last year combined, Like the loser of this game.

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Speaker 3: Is going to be in a world of her and see that, like that playoff percent is just sink.

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Speaker 6: Well, when you start one in five, it's gonna be a lot of game. It does happen, It's okay. A couple of teams that have young quarterbacks. In our next matchup, Greg Rosenthal, the New York Giants with Jackson Dark go on the road to take on last year's number one overall pick, Caleb Williams, whose Bears are four and a half point favorites. The over under is forty seven and a half. G Rex calling one of his old teams again as he is on the call with Joe Davis. Do the Bears ride that wave against another defense that can be susceptible to the past game.

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Speaker 1: To every everything, especially to the running game, I would say, and but really to everything, it's just a it's just a bad defense. There was a sequence in last week's forty nine Ers Giants game which just told you everything. They had a first down throw from Mac Jones to Juwan Jennings. It's just a seven or ten point game at the time, and the next eight plays they just ran the ball until they scored a touch eight times and they were all almost straight up the middle and the giant.

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Speaker 3: And that's like a bad running team.

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Speaker 1: The forty nine ers like in terms of per play success, right, you know they have Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 3: The Bears are a whole nother matter.

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Speaker 1: They got Darnell right out there sending Shamar Stewart into like the nether world.

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Speaker 2: That was a nasty rep. It was one of the nastiest reps up not.

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Speaker 3: Nice I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Is cartwheel after a big run block. Darnell Wright did a whole.

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Speaker 3: Car after the game winning touchdown, that man moving.

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Speaker 1: I heard Chris Long, who's great, and he would know, you know what it's like to go up against great tackles. He compared Darnell Wright said he's got a little pine stool to him, Like that is how nasty and athletic he's playing right now?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and that's the athletics is a part of it.

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Speaker 5: What a monong guy, right, calling him manong dude.

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Speaker 2: That's true. He's not just a guy. They found something.

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's everyone's like, oh, he's a tough runner.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, man, when I see this dude, his vision and his balance is insane.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're seeing some runs right here.

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Speaker 4: He's just like, Oh, the Bengals don't really want to hit anybody, so let me just run right at him. Great block down field, and he's got the gidda up to kind of get there. I think this is a great match up here. The fact that there's so much on Jackson Dart now, I mean they're running game. Even when Tyrone Tracy offensively is not that great. Dart's got to make play after play. The Bears defense, to me is nothing to sneeze at. And so I think coming off that when they had last week the way they want it, that could be this their their converse Hail Mary this year to kind.

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Speaker 2: Of get him going.

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Speaker 5: Joe Flaco sneezed at him a little bit. Joe Flacco put up a million yards on that.

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Speaker 4: But I mean it's Jackson dark no, no, Jason Higgins exactly.

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Speaker 5: And I think what's good the Bears and Dennis Allen can go send a thank you note to Robert Sala and the forty nine ers because they did a really great job of really closing off Jackson Dart's running lanes. They did a great job covering a quarterback who was gonna doesn't have any barely anyone to throw to, and certainly their run game has suffered minus a couple players including camp Scataboo and Jackson Dart was gonna have to be the one to make plays happen. So the forty nine ers did a really nice job of just closing off all of the little creases and holes that he could see for that vision running that he's very good at. And I think the Bears try to play him a similar way a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of just dumb bops, and I think he's playing well for the situation that he's in. The offensive line is playing well. To be fair, Actually, I think the Giants have a pretty good offensive win. I am curious to see this Bears offensive line against the pass rush that the Giants have, which wasn't great last week, but they were getting rid of the ball quick. Because if you go through and look at who the Bears face, you could almost come up the rankings of the worst pass rushes in the NFL. It's just kind of random, but I just was looking at it. I was like, oh, that's one of the worst pass rushing in le so it'll be interesting to see them. You know, they have a left tackle, THEO Benedict, you know, struggling a little bit against a better pass rush. And then I was looking at the Dvoa and everything. They have faced the third easiest schedule in terms of their offense, has faced the third easiest schedule in terms of defenses. And it gets much harder the rest of the way really after this week, so there will be bigger tests, but they're stacking wins.

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Speaker 3: That's going to keep them in the playoff race.

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Speaker 6: In those advantages right where you evaluate if you're looking at the schedule and you see that the Bears rushing efficiency, they're number nine in rushing efficiency, but you consider that they weren't running the ball that well schedule or not at the start of the sea right, so they're a little bit better.

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Speaker 2: Than that number.

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Speaker 6: Where the Giants are thirty two on rushing efficiency. On the defensive side, where you do start to wonder at that criticism they had of the rams front, if these guys want to get out there and rush the passer and the run is not necessarily prior, where you wonder what the overall priority and and then the for the Giants on offense, it's we're Jackson dart Hey. It's an RPO figured out like it's up to you man the decisions.

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Speaker 2: But you'd like to see some layups for the year. There's just none there for him. He's got to make up.

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Speaker 4: One thing that Gregor you're talking about earlier about the Giants run defense, was Carl Banks right on Dexter Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would not feel comfortable downgrading that man without doing like a very close tape study.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully Carl Banks has been doing that.

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Speaker 1: I think Giants fans that are close watchers people watching the team would say he's not having the impact, and he's coming off a pretty major injury that he had a couple of years ago when he was maybe the best defensive player in the league.

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Speaker 3: It is definitely not at that level.

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Speaker 5: I think that this is once again a big running game for the Chicago Bears. You could see how much it settles Caleb Williams into rhythm. It sets him up to sort of make these like really cool, like hero plays that he makes two or three of every time, and it minimizes the opportunity to kind of fritz out on some of the other plays that we've seen in some of that inconsistency with him. Over the course of the year, he's getting better to me every week, and I also love the potential of getting some different things that Ben Johnson wants to put into this game plan long term against this opponent, because not only does he want to run the ball as much as possible, but he also wants to get the tight ends working, which against the secondary is something as a place to do it. And he also wants to get Caleb and Roma Dunze back into their connection DJ Moore on some of those catch and run screens. So I see them working the perimeter a lot if they can they if he can stand in there long enough against the pass rush, working the short and middle perimeter a lot, to try to get those players into that rhythm, whether it's on catch and run screens or simply outs to romadunk.

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Speaker 2: Can I think you have Zach Robinson call the plays if he wants to.

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Speaker 1: Work and I want to We've got a pistol. We should move to this next great game. But I do want to one thing at a future date that I saw on the New York Post that the cover the other day. Yeah, this this one, not the front cover, which was a little wild, although you almost had to give him a little credit. On Wednesday, they say could Shane, Joe Shane, and Brian Dabole be a split ticket?

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Speaker 3: They're starting to be like a little buzz around there that.

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Speaker 1: Day Ball might get the acts, but Joe Shane stays, which to me is just doing it backwards again, hustling backwards.

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Speaker 4: Like I mean, the Giants have had such a great run hiring gms.

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Speaker 2: And coaches lately. We'll see if this wouldn't surprise anybody.

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Speaker 1: If this actually happens. But I think you either start over or not, but don't don't split the baby.

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Speaker 6: And hopefully that not coming from inside the house.

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Speaker 3: That's what I mean. That's interesting that that's starting, uh.

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Speaker 2: With we like that, we like this mid season.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's what the Giants do best, said White.

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Speaker 5: Yeah you know what though, and to that point, the Jets are doing great with their mid season. They just went clean. They're just like, hey, we you know, we get it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you guys know, because the Jets are looking at a team in their division that has the only thing that matters, and that is Rake may and he's going on the road to take on those now rested Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are favored by two and a half. The over under is forty eight and a half. In is CBS one in his Jim, it is Tracy, it is Tony Romo and Jordan Rod Reed. How do the Buccaneers deal with their injuries now that they're arrested going up against.

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Speaker 2: Drake may incompany?

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Speaker 5: Well, I expect Mka Buka to be back like playing the way that we're used to seeing him at this point as he started the season, because a weak arrest would be really good for him. He was such a high volume player. And if you get banged up and you are like the go to emergency option here for Baker Mayfield, You're just gonna wear down. So I'm glad the bike came at the time it did. The problem still is it Chris got Winn and Bucky Irving did not start the week practicing, So that's definitely something to keep an eye on here. And I'd like to see Baker Mayfield play better football. He started the year so great, really struggled the last two weeks. Baker Ball's got to start rolling again, guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, now she's just setting.

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Speaker 5: It up, baker Ball cape sun rolling, babe.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I do love the Patriots schedule where like every four or five weeks they play a good team and then then they just.

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Speaker 3: Go back into hibernation.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's professional football.

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Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's a No, it's great.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they they crazy enters the conversation.

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Speaker 1: They played the Bills, and then they had Saints, Titans, Brown's Falcon. Now they get the Bucks and then after this it's like it's Jets, Bengals, Giants, and then and then.

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Speaker 4: They're about a late by a week fourteen by Yeah, that's great for them.

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Speaker 3: So I think it is really exciting.

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Speaker 1: It's like play a really good team challenge for this entire team because I think the weaknesses that they have, which I would is their pass defense. Like the advanced metrics has them as a bottom six or seven pass defense despite like a good defensive line and talent in the back end. They haven't really been good slowing down opposing quarterbacks. But they haven't played many great ones and so this is a real test, I think for both sides of the ball, and can the Patriots offensive line, which has given up seventeen sacks over the last three weeks, identify where those rushers are coming from because they struggled with it against the Falcons last time.

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Speaker 4: You know, Todd Bowles has comeing with just the whole Rubikshugh matrix of looks. I love this game, and I'm glad you said that about the Patriots because to me, how do they handle success?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: This is a tough game. They lose.

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Speaker 4: There's no shame in losing to the Buccaneers, who walk onto the field expecting to regardless of their health status of their players, But then the next three games don't look great.

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Speaker 2: Can they handle it? This is like.

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Speaker 4: Sustain until the bye? Right, They've got the late by their rolling, They've got momentum, Drake Mace playing well. They start, They ran the ball a little bit better last week. You know their defense is steady. I mean there, it's a tough minded football team. It's why I like watching them play. But let's see how tough they are mentally? Again, you lose this game. It's competitive. There's no shame in losing to the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay. But after that, that's are really going to find how the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's in Tampa. They are a slight underdog. I would have thought it would be more. Let's listen to Mike Rabel. The Patriots and the Buccaneers were two of many teams. There's this article written all across the league where it's like the local beat writer has to say, well, they didn't make a trade. I know everyone's disappointed, the Bucks and the Patriots disappointed a lot of fans out there.

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Speaker 7: Deals are like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't. There's no like it's either a deal or it's not. So I don't know how close you can be. I know that everyone worked hard, that we investigated and looked in and made phone calls and they what personnel departments do, and in the end, you know, we decided that this was what we were we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: He's an expert father of two.

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Speaker 5: What a metaphor that was? Like?

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Speaker 2: That was like a total Harbors that was That was a real good.

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Speaker 5: Point somehow, like made me feel less uncomfortable than if Jim Harbaugh We're going to say it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you should go with something that's definitive, like electrocution, right to the point where your heart stops, or you're not you know, going with something.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so when I was pulling like the apple, you know, plug out yesterday and being a little too loose with it and got shocked, that does not get.

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Speaker 6: Not an electrical Yeah, if you were in water, maybe okay, yeah, we we would need to not have Greg anymore to meet that. And I don't I don't want to be in that.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to be I don't want a world. I don't want that world.

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Speaker 6: The binary nature of electrocution maybe not so much in the other aspects that Mike Brabels is mentioning. But I think the point that he makes there before anybody gets all upset and itchy about the team contending and building around Drek, may hey, we tried.

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Speaker 2: We're in here working.

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Speaker 6: We're not going to do something just for the sake of doing it, which I think is a solid approach.

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Speaker 1: They're an interesting team because they're so thin and they haven't been tested. They're one of the healthy They've been one of the healthiest teams in the NFL this year in terms of not missing players. They could be missing a few guys this week Kaishawan, Boody Ramandri Stevenson, and I believe one of their offensive linemen might all be out and sneakily like Booty is is massive for their Sorry yeah your face.

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Speaker 5: No, you guys, did you catch the subtle thing that that Rabel did master at talking to the media and sending a message in the media where this team has very clearly been built at the bare minimum in collaboration with Mike Rabel having such a huge say in it, he started to distance himself from it. At the end of his comments, he said, and they did whatever personal department do. And I'm like, yeah, okay, buddy, Yeah, It's like he's probably like I was gonna get it. I feel like I could get But the thing that's interesting about this matchup to me is how like I think this is going to be a pass heavy game for both offenses. These are two really, really good run defenses. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were limiting success rate on run plays among the best in the league consistently over the start to the season before thereby, and the Patriots have not surrendered fifty yards to a single running back through the entire start to the season so far, which is astounding, especially considering even though they didn't necessarily play some great teams so far, they did play teams with good running backs. So I think that this is going to be a real pass heavy game and maybe you'll get to see your guy, Drake may put on a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a show if he can get protected.

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Speaker 5: It's your guy versus Mike.

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Speaker 1: I could I could see. I know who gets the number one draft pick in games?

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Speaker 3: This week?

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Speaker 1: You get it, next week, you get it, next week. I got this one. No, let's just listen to Baker Mayfield, because he was at a podium and we like his declarations on all things football.

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Speaker 2: She got to keep going.

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Speaker 7: At this point, it's real football starts, and we have obviously a really, really good opponent coming out here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so official football not starting in week one, not starting after Thanksgivings, it's week ten all happening.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is where because you look at Tampa Bay, they've got so much distance on the rest of the NFC South. Now, let's where they start stacking bricks. Home field for the NFC there.

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Speaker 1: Does something about the double digit of Week ten and getting past the trade deadline, getting to November. You know, it's it's a long season for everyone. It does feel like a big moment. We're into the second half. Yep, we've made some progress. I feel good about it, Baker. I agree with you. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about one of those other teams in the NFC South Big Game on NFL Network this week. One of the many ways you can measure Patrick Clayband's influence on the entire football media sphere is that I always hear people on other podcasts when they talk about momentum, they hear Patrick's voice in their head, and then they call him out and try to answer the voice in their head.

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Speaker 3: And that just happened to me recently too, when I.

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Speaker 1: Was talking about Week ten being a big moment, I sort of heard of patrick asm in my head and he gave it to me during the break, which is, well, football's cumulative and each week matters. And that's true, Patrick, all of them counting the standards.

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Speaker 2: OK.

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Speaker 1: But my argument would be, once you get later in the season, you know, the games do matter more because of everything that's happened before. It's like the Ravens Vikings game matters more now than it would have in Week two because they have lost their wiggle room based on everything that's already happened.

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Speaker 3: And that's the beauty of the NFL season.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a crescendo at the end, you know, it's always rising action.

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Speaker 6: That's definitely. That's definitely how we feel that it matters more. But had they not lost those games.

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Speaker 1: Then sure, but you can't go back. You can't change it anymore. It's like they did it did happen that way. So now it's like playoff percentages, you know. I think that's a good way to look at it, Like your chance to make the playoffs. It'll huge differences if you win or lose a game, depending on the opponent.

00:25:16
Speaker 3: At this time of year where it's where it's not as much in it.

00:25:19
Speaker 6: No, we feel like it we flipped the switch and the light turns on and you're like, I did that, But there was an entire chain of processes that started with cold and minded then burned that led to But.

00:25:29
Speaker 3: You can't change that and you can change what happens.

00:25:31
Speaker 2: But look, I mean, okay, let's go. Let's go.

00:25:34
Speaker 4: Conversely to that. No, No, let's go converse. Whatody Johnson. This is not when real football started. This is when it has.

00:25:41
Speaker 3: Well that's look, there are teams that are just saying bye bye.

00:25:44
Speaker 2: Well, if I'm picking teams, yeah, we go back with Baker.

00:25:47
Speaker 6: The Atlanta Falcons are taking on the Indianapolis Colt Steve Weiss in Berdland for the first time ever.

00:25:54
Speaker 2: And you know where you could see this game? Oh NFL Network.

00:25:58
Speaker 6: Whoa yes, shine and watch Sunday nine thirty am Eastern.

00:26:02
Speaker 2: The game's also available on NFL Plus.

00:26:04
Speaker 6: Subscription required for NFL Plus go to Plus dot NFL dot com for details.

00:26:09
Speaker 2: I'm excited about it, Adam. I mean Kurt Warner are going to be on the call.

00:26:13
Speaker 1: Uh.

00:26:13
Speaker 2: The over unders forty eight and a half.

00:26:14
Speaker 6: The Colts are favored by six and a half, six a familiar number because they turn the ball over six times against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

00:26:22
Speaker 2: Steve, what do they do this time?

00:26:24
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:26:24
Speaker 2: I mean did that? Was that to Daniel Jones? Did did the carricter Pumpkin?

00:26:28
Speaker 4: We'll see because you know, Atlanta's got some guys who can get after him. My big thing is now that the Colts have Sauce Gardner and Shaveri's Mooney Ward is coming back.

00:26:39
Speaker 1: Not this week, and we don't know that sas Gardner's playing, but he he's in the concussion protocol but is practicing positive.

00:26:45
Speaker 2: All right.

00:26:46
Speaker 4: So Michael Pennix, they're the most frustrating team in the NFL to watch because they run the same stuff over and over. Outside the numbers, outside numbers, beyond screen, outside the numbers, we're going to toss sweep outside the numbers.

00:27:01
Speaker 2: I mean I put it out a tweet the other day.

00:27:03
Speaker 4: If this were a basketball game, the shot chart would look like all mid range and three point shots.

00:27:07
Speaker 2: They don't play in the paint.

00:27:09
Speaker 4: So it'll be if if Indianapolis can score on him, that's the main thing. Atlanta's defense is going to give him a little something. But the Falcons offense has just become very predictable.

00:27:20
Speaker 3: It is.

00:27:23
Speaker 4: Just we could say we want about Michael Pennick's having a big arm. He throws it in one direction and that's towards the sideline, whether it's on him, whether it's on Zach Robinson. They do not attack the middle of a defense. Not saying you can necessarily do that against the Colts. But the six and a half number is huge for me for the Colts. But if Atlanta loses this one, I.

00:27:43
Speaker 2: Mean, the calls for a change, yeah, have been very loud there.

00:27:48
Speaker 4: Arthur Blank's not a mid season change guy, but Raheem Morris might have to be in terms of changing his offensive coordinator, play caller. If this goes the same way it's gone because it is the same act every game.

00:27:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unfortunate because you see so much potential out of the players that they have. Yes, I think you can also and you have and we have this site the offensive line injuries and obviously that's a problem, but you are so spot on about he wants to be a perimeter thrower and he's a dang good one as well. But there needs to be balance in dimension within the offense. And it's one of those things where I joke, I'm not really joking, but I joke, I'm like, they're tarnishing my beloved pistol formation for me because they don't want to run pure under centered play action. They don't want to even run like gun run play action. They don't want to do those types of things. They still want the benefit of play action which is why they stay in the pistol and also because Bajon is really really good at setting up the middle layer of a defense like a quarterback wooden shotgun. He's doing that out of the pistol formation. The problem is when you spam it the level that they have, teams don't actually believe that you're going to run directionally or throw or attack themddle of the field like some of the actual play action would help them do. Instead, what they know they're going to do is either give the ball to Viajon to try to set something up and crash hard wherever he's going right wherever you see him start to move directionally, or they're going to attack the perimeter in the passing game. And I think that that is such a disappointment and a huge problem, and I feel like there's they there's too many dudes on this team, on this offense to get away with that.

00:29:28
Speaker 1: And Drake Lendon's coming off one of the best games of his career. And you know, if we did a winners and losers from the trade deadline, how about winners in an NFL network, You get Sauce Gardner on Drake London potentially for this matchup because yeah, no cornerback travels with a number one receiver more than sauce Gardner.

00:29:44
Speaker 5: Another reason you don't want to spam the perimeter. Sauce Gardner's there now.

00:29:48
Speaker 1: Right, and and like he that's the type of body type I think he does best against. If anyone can try to cover Drake London and you know Marcus Jones is not that guy last week, certainly it would be Sauce Gardener. And so I'm really excited to see that and see what lou has up his sleeve in this matchup. Like on that side of the ball and on the others, I just want a little more, like not to get into the exit, and I just want a little more flash out of Penix. There's not a lot of there's not a lot of Wow He's there's not a lot of big time throws, like frows, big time foes. I just would like Michael Pennix have some big time foes, just like give me something to be a little more excited about. He's been very like if you just kind of put Kirk cut, I know it looks different, but like it's a very it's giving me like early Andy Dalton or something. You know what I mean, Yeah, it makes me feel something.

00:30:38
Speaker 6: And we did, you know, we got that brief glimpse of what Kirk Cousins looked like in this offense against the Miami Dolphins, and anybody that had that thought, maybe that thought has drifted further back in their minds where you know, the lack of creativity goes across the board. John Robinson's runs are going outside the tackle seventy six percent of the time and seventy six.

00:31:00
Speaker 5: All they that middle and wide zone. Again, Yeah, you.

00:31:04
Speaker 6: Have to defend four places against the Atlanta Falcons and you got it.

00:31:08
Speaker 2: And we've seen it multiple times.

00:31:09
Speaker 1: It's a great moment here for the Colts, who haven't really been quite a national team, even though they're one of the biggest stories of the year. How did they respond They're in new situation. How do they respond to their especially Daniel Jones that their worst performance of the week. Their offensive line got housed last week. I really think it was more about the offensive line than than Daniel Jones even and so how do they respond in a big spot in Berlin?

00:31:29
Speaker 4: And this is this is one though watching the way the Colts played, they hadn't played that way for almost all the seasons. So I'm saying out was that the stinker because they should be able to run the ball. This week they find it, find where Kayden Nellis is on the Falcons defense and go away from him.

00:31:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, they should be able to run the football.

00:31:46
Speaker 4: I think, you know, Daniel Jones's offense gets going a little bit against Falcons defense is good. I mean at two levels on the front end and the back end. Then Kate Nellis's you know, great inside linebacker. Otherwise they've got struggles and so to go back to. But what they do patrick they running, They go so wide that they're adding a twelfth defender in the sideline.

00:32:07
Speaker 2: It is.

00:32:08
Speaker 4: It is like one of the most brutal things to watch week after week because they make it so easy for them.

00:32:14
Speaker 1: I like, weisch always get a little more frustrated when it comes to the Falcons.

00:32:17
Speaker 2: Because because as I watch all their games.

00:32:20
Speaker 5: And it's just like I'm there with you.

00:32:22
Speaker 2: This is no mesh, no rub rots, like, no nothing going on.

00:32:25
Speaker 5: Speaking of the International Slate too, if any listeners want the best belly laugh, they probably will get listening to a show all year. When you are on the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. That's the Big Time Froze with Craig Horlback is an all time moment where I can never think of it in a different way after you guys talked about it all.

00:32:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the very serious analytical site Pro Football Focus, you know, naming their you know, like hardcore analytics category a big time foe.

00:32:55
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like sounds like a six year.

00:32:57
Speaker 5: Old kieh they were on here. It's incredible.

00:32:59
Speaker 6: Yeah. And one note in huge coach speak, pick your guy up. Shane Steichen in a conversation about Domson's performance that he could have been more balanced in giving the ball to Contan Taylor a little bit more so.

00:33:11
Speaker 2: Pick up your guy, fair coach. Second, Wow, good opportunity there.

00:33:14
Speaker 6: Let's go to our next game, which would be a great matchup looking forward to.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: But we do have an injury note.

00:33:19
Speaker 6: Jacksonville a one and a half point favorite at the Houston Texans because there.

00:33:24
Speaker 2: Is no CJ.

00:33:26
Speaker 6: Stroud for this one, ruled out with the concussion his head bounced off the field last week.

00:33:31
Speaker 2: Was ruled out for the remainder of the game. We'll miss this one.

00:33:34
Speaker 6: Iron Eagle and Justin James watt On the call on our broadcast partner CBS, where we get a chance greg to see these two teams in the division. They've had knockdown dragouts throughout time. So maybe Davis Mills comes in here and gives the Jags as scare as they trade for Jacoby mart Yeah.

00:33:51
Speaker 1: I think you know, they swept them last year. The jag Wars won one of the ugliest games of the season in Week three. It was that that was one where it's just craziness back and forth, and eventually Jacksonville got that win.

00:34:04
Speaker 3: I would feel good about them if they had TG.

00:34:06
Speaker 1: They just feel a little curse this year because they finally were all together last week, Nico and Kirk and CJ, and they look good early in that game.

00:34:14
Speaker 3: I think they would have beat the Broncos.

00:34:16
Speaker 1: In that game, you know they had they had the lead and everything, and this would just be a sad way for their season to feel not quite over, but close to over. If they're three and six already with these divisions.

00:34:31
Speaker 2: I am not counting them out because of that defense.

00:34:34
Speaker 3: I think they could win.

00:34:34
Speaker 4: This quarterback they're facing bear Trevor Lawrence, will give them an opportunity to make a defensive score.

00:34:40
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying negatively.

00:34:41
Speaker 5: I mean no, it's right.

00:34:43
Speaker 2: I mean the stroke, the smoke that they bring on defense.

00:34:47
Speaker 3: He did last time against them.

00:34:48
Speaker 4: You're right, correct, and you know so he knows them and he's given up a few against them. So whether it's to stripsack, whether to pick, I think this is one where their defense can absolutely keep them in the game if if they deny, jackson will run the football.

00:35:02
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see. I don't know that this is the week to like showcase whatever you're planning to do to overhaul your passing game against one of the best defenses in the NFL, But I am really interested to see what Jacksonville looks like. I'm interested to especially post trade with Jacoby Myers. I'm interested to see what his role is and then how they continue to build off of it in plan and preparation for the eventual return of Travis Hunter. And you know, Jacksonville's defense has been up and down. They really really miss Devin Lloyd. I don't know that this offense minus c. J. Stroud gives them a ton of trouble. So this might just be Jacksonville's entire team versus the Texans defense.

00:35:43
Speaker 1: Jaguars as have had a lot of important injuries. I think they really miss Brenton Strange, their tight end, whoeverything would go through. Trevon Walker just hasn't been the same plane with that club on his hand.

00:35:55
Speaker 3: He's limited and snaps.

00:35:56
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd was back at practice on Wednesday and they did give it in the case, which is weird that he would. Just Liam Cohen always being so honest that the podium said Parker Washington is their slot and Jacoby Myers will be on the outside because it's too much to learn to win.

00:36:11
Speaker 3: Happening.

00:36:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, starting happening.

00:36:12
Speaker 1: That was your big brain thought though, was part of your big brain thought that like Brian Thomas Junior is going to be minimized.

00:36:18
Speaker 5: I said that. I said, it's weird that it's not working out, and they've they've kept trying it. But I think part of the reason why you're training for Jacoby Myers is not just because Travis Hunter's out, but also because eventually you would like travor you want to see what Jacoby Myers is going to look like on the perimeter because you want your quote unquote Chris Godwin, Mike Evans Combo. Now, I'm not one to one comping these guys, right, but you want to run your offense through that type of passing concept, and so you want I was theorizing that Travis Hunter will play more in the slot when he returns, and you funnel a lot of your passing game through that hyper versatile player, and then you get a really solid perimeter guy. Now, I think they're going to be testing out. Is Jacoby Myers going to be that perimeter guy. I think we'll see a bunch of different combinations.

00:36:59
Speaker 1: And the local reporters have already been putting out there that the team doesn't see Jacoby Myers as necessarily a rental that they're hoping I think to get him locked in.

00:37:06
Speaker 2: He's a good young player.

00:37:08
Speaker 3: I know he is.

00:37:09
Speaker 2: He is mile young.

00:37:10
Speaker 1: They also saw the thought that about Greg Newsom and that might work out, but he's been getting picked on week after.

00:37:15
Speaker 4: Cleveland, which is why speaking of Travis Hunter, I think he's gonna be one on the defensive side of the ball. I think this is a switch because they see that they are not things are not working a corner. When you talk to people, they feel he's more of a natural corner. He's more of a threat as receiver, but more of a natural corner, which about when he comes back, they may give him more defensive reps.

00:37:36
Speaker 2: Because they've got more depth on the offensive side. Yeah, it's it's the problem coming into the season. Travis Hunder the cornerback is the best cornerback.

00:37:43
Speaker 1: Cornerback, and they're also going to be without Jordan Lewis. It sounds like in this game there's just been and Brian Thomas Jr. We should point out. I don't think he's going to play in this game either, and and neither is Diami Brown. We don't know that early in the week, but they're out of practice early. Shout out to Travis Atn, by the way, who's just like, yeah, winning, running his face off and making himself a lot of money and free agency.

00:38:03
Speaker 6: Well that's that's who the offense goes through. The unquestioned best player on the Jacks this season has been Travis Etn, Like it's not even close. When they were struggling against the Raiders, mind you like Etn single handedly it felt like one and the night.

00:38:16
Speaker 1: There was a fourth and two run he had where he showed so much toughness to get that first down. I was thinking, like, man, the rookie, early version of Travis Etn is not getting that first down in a game like that, Like that was seven points. They end up scoring a touchdown on that drive and he's breaking tackles. I'm just like this, This dude is running like a man possessed.

00:38:37
Speaker 2: It's an inate ability that's gotten better.

00:38:39
Speaker 6: He was good at it early on in his career, but Etn's ability to run at the outside of people based on their positioning has I think given a chance to extend his career. Like avoid those violent collisions because you're never getting a square shot. Yeah, no, on Travis Etn. And I know the number. The small number makes him look like a slender guy. He's bigger than the number would indicate. But also like nobody's ever just straight up blasted and when they do, it looks bad because he's trying to play angle.

00:39:06
Speaker 5: It's what they used to say about Alvin Kamara too, like years ago, that he was going to extend his career because whenever he tried to hit him. First of all, he's at a better angle than you, and these safeties used to talk about how he would just collapse one side of his body when you try to take him down. So he just couldn't get a read on him, and he had a better angle on you, and it did extend his career and it worked on the same Yeah, good Pollo.

00:39:28
Speaker 2: Played ten or eleven years.

00:39:29
Speaker 6: Well, hopefully Jacobe Myers will get Etn some help because this is all Travis in this one. So let's go to a game where some people would invoke the term trap. The Buffalo Bills are nine and a half point favorites against the Miami Dolphins, team that has won one and lost one in their last two games.

00:39:50
Speaker 2: The over under is fifty and a half.

00:39:52
Speaker 6: Andrew Cattle on Charles Davis our good friend and best person on the planet, and Jason mccordy on the call on broadcast partner CBS Jordan, do the Miami Dolphins take the bags off of the heads at hard Rock and get a win against Buffalo in the Division?

00:40:07
Speaker 5: No? I do think Buffalo looked so much better on defense last week. And yes, they're still decimated by injuries. They lost Michael Hoyt to an achilles tear. That's gonna be you know. Right when they got him back, they lost him again. Dean Walker's playing awesome. He's playing awesome. If he can consistently build and put these games together game over game over game, he is such a factor in building up and getting that run defense into a better spot. And Maxwell Harston changes so much about what the Bills want to do on defense in terms of mixing up their coverages and even allowing one player to travel a little bit more, play a little bit more man coverage as well. So that's a huge factor. I just think, you know, Miami is dangerous because they're in sort of efet mode, right, what do they have to lose? They already made the switch fired Chris grid last week or mutual parting as it was sort of put out there as and then you know interim GM Champ Kelly traded Jalen Phillips. Right, So now they're this different team and they're sort of on the downhill slope now toward the end of the season. But you have to see them put up a fight. You have to see what Mike McDaniel can really do to coach up a group that their season is you know, is over and there in transition.

00:41:25
Speaker 4: Look, all players are proud, they don't want to go out there and get embarrassed. But you said, you know that the Dolphins are in fant mode. I think they've been in FF mode already about three weeks on the We're going to Cancun.

00:41:36
Speaker 5: This is this is FT mode. Parentheses positive, Yeah, I'm mode parentheses that.

00:41:43
Speaker 4: Gona, I mean, look them, get rid of Chris Greer is not going to mean anything to any of the players. Now have the ones he paid, right, And so I just think right now that Buffalo, this is more so on Buffalo. Are they going to comment saying let's just go ahead and wipe them off and and you know, let's.

00:42:00
Speaker 3: Work on some things.

00:42:01
Speaker 1: Let's work on throwing the ball a little bit down the field, right, you know, they a lot of their solutions, and they do look like a different team.

00:42:07
Speaker 3: Are just like, hey, let's get the old guys back.

00:42:09
Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer's playing all the time, Matt Malona's back, Gabe Davis is on the practice squad.

00:42:15
Speaker 2: Christian Benford though, how good a player?

00:42:17
Speaker 3: He's really good.

00:42:18
Speaker 1: And you said, how you know the Dolphins there one and one in their last two, like it's a small sample size, but since the buye the Bills defense, and I don't think this is a coincidence since Sean McDermott started calling plays. I mean, I think that was he's gone out of his way to try and make it sound like he's not calling plays, and he's always crediting his coordinator. It's almost like he's doing too much to be like, no, it's all Bobby Babbage, It's all Bobby bad. But he's the one calling plays. Fourth and EPA per play in those two weeks against you know, the Panthers and and the Chiefs, second versus the past and the just the eyeball test, the pass rush is popping and that's that's a great recipe.

00:42:57
Speaker 3: In Miami, Joey Kosher looked incredible.

00:42:59
Speaker 1: Other he's out of practice Wednesday, Fantasy owners, Yeah, go go get yourself from Ray Davis. It sounds like James Cook is like a fifty to fifty maybe to play in this game, which is surprising.

00:43:10
Speaker 2: What's going home? He's playing? You think? So back to Miami, I mean for their long term hopes.

00:43:16
Speaker 6: Hopefully he's selling out to beat the wah Dolphins.

00:43:21
Speaker 5: This might be a good game to rest him. Honestly, Like, I know, I get that, I know he'll want to play, but uh and they need a little Ray Davis in the mix. See what they can scheme up with that guy too.

00:43:30
Speaker 1: The biggest red flag for this Miami team all season was Mike McDaniel basically openly admitting that they might bench to at some point. I still can't. I can't leave that. On Monday, pretty soon after, we got some reports from our guy Ian rapport that were similar so that I wonder what effect that has on everything in his quarterback.

00:43:52
Speaker 5: What's your take, Steve.

00:43:53
Speaker 2: It's not good.

00:43:54
Speaker 4: It's not Look, I used to cover the Dolphins and when things used to go south down there. Hey, man, you know it's not the most It's not that. It's a tough place to not be distracted as it is when you're not totally locked in.

00:44:09
Speaker 2: I think I think it's Ben over.

00:44:12
Speaker 3: Dang.

00:44:13
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's I said it on the show a couple of weeks. It's it's over, man, It's it's been over.

00:44:17
Speaker 3: On that note, let's take a little break.

00:44:20
Speaker 1: You should also check out Jordan wrote an article about some potential general manager candidates down there in Miami's athletic Good names on that list Jordan rod Rieg of the Athletic where we have used to have to save every show. Now she's part of NFL Daily too. We love the athletic, but we got her. The Carolina Panthers, a team that burrowed itself deep into the heart of Jordan Rod Reed, did something in the first nine that not many teams in NFL history have done it, I hope only a couple, which is have a winning record five to four despite being an underdog all nine weeks. That is an arcane stat, but it is amazing. So I want to congratulate the Carolina Panthers for pulling that off, and now for being good enough not just to be a favorite, but to be a heavy favorite.

00:45:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't.

00:45:22
Speaker 6: We can't celebrate that stat, and in more perfect time than right now, because the Carolina Panthers are at home at BofA Stadium and taking on the New Orleans States.

00:45:32
Speaker 2: It's spank of America.

00:45:33
Speaker 6: I'd like to say botha New Orleans at Carolina five and a half point favorites thirty nine and a half. Chris Myers and Markschlaar on the call, Steve, we get another game of Tyler Shuck. What does the zero Everro's defense that it's like a quantum thing, or maybe the Bills were just that good.

00:45:51
Speaker 2: How do they look against the Saints?

00:45:53
Speaker 4: First off, I don't like the five point five in a divisional game like this. I mean, I like the way Caroline's playing. O'donald did not practice. Uh they're saying they're just checking a few things out, So whad quad he was?

00:46:08
Speaker 6: He was working it for most of the second half. Yeah, yeah, he kept like he kept coming out of the game within the very next playby back and popping one against the Packers.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: So we'll see. I mean, I don't like the five and a half. I like Carolina to win.

00:46:21
Speaker 4: I like the Saints defense a little bit because not only do you are you starting a rookie for the second time, he got rid of his most dangerous deep threat, Rashiita Heat is now in Seattle, who I'm now super scared of if I'm anybody else in THEFC. So look, I think Carolina they're starting to feel themselves a little bit. Not not in a smug type of way, but they know now we're starting to see some success of Dave Canal's's message and that is a dangerous drug. When guys started getting intoxicated by that that's when they started getting that belief and they think they can win ball game.

00:46:53
Speaker 2: So I think it's a very positive thing. I think the game would be closer.

00:46:56
Speaker 1: I like Carolina though, especially when it's been so long since you've had that sort of I hope they have a good crowd there like they did for that Bills game and then it didn't go too well. But if you look at the rest of their schedule, these Saints games are big because you got to sweep them. They still have two Saints games to go, and the rest of their schedule has some challenging games. But if you can get those two Saints wins, like and you're just kind of putting that onto their record here, then you're up to seven wins. You just got to get three the rest of the way out of all those other games. And maybe you're you're in the dance and and you're you're celebrating, and there's every you're yeah, there's every reason to think they'll be able to do that against the just woeful Saints.

00:47:39
Speaker 5: Especially if Freako Dawdle is banged up a little bit or even not totally one hundred percent and still plays, which he could very well do. And they have Chewba a Hubbard who's been great for them, who they love, and I think handled that whole thing pretty well in terms of starting out with a two back, and you pay a little respect to a guy like Chewba Hubbard in doing that right, but then having the conversation with him and pulling him back to the number two spot. You're even if you're not at one hundred percent Rico Dowdell, you are still going to have some steadiness there some but a guy who's really solid contributor for you contract exactly. And I think that this to me screams I want to see Bryce Young go out and own a team. Honestly. I want to see him go out and do that because the type of defense and the coverages that the Saints played, and they're they're in you know, they're in this zone look and it can get a little cloudy and all of that, and Bryce Young has this year has not played well against those types of zone looks. He actually is the third lowest passer rating against this type of zone coverage that they play. So I really want to see Bryce Young and his cast of receivers and all of these guys who are building confidence with each other, go out and actually dominate a team, not just have that fun excitement adrenaline rush of play spoiler, which they have done so well this season. And I think that's the juice that kind of gets under your skin a little bit in a good way. I want them to take that next step forward and really say, no, we're going to come out and dominate you, and.

00:49:11
Speaker 2: This is the team to do it again.

00:49:13
Speaker 6: Yes, versus where Because I know if you look at eleven of twenty for Bryce against the Green Bay Packers, and if you're just exclusively living in the stat sheet, you would think, oh, that's it, didn't really do to But I think that game is harder where you get that few attempts like the vast majority coming on third down and gotta have it situations like three of those passes thrown on the final drive where you have to get in the field goal range and you're working against the clock and trying to manage that, trying not to leave Jordan Love and the Packers too much time. Like there's so many things that go on in that situation versus here against the Saints where you're not having to worry.

00:49:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't about.

00:49:49
Speaker 6: Keeping the Saints offense off the field, and you can get le get involved in situations where that was the interception that came. In fact, as Jordan pointed out, like when Bryce turns the ball over, three of US six have been against cover three here in twenty twenty five. Like, so the Saints run a lot of it. So time to work on everything, and this is the place to work.

00:50:07
Speaker 1: On him against Saints are extremely limited offensively. You know they trade Trevor Penning too, on top of Rashid ja heat. I mean, Penning is great, but he was starting, he was starting at guard.

00:50:18
Speaker 2: You sure.

00:50:20
Speaker 3: I actually was.

00:50:21
Speaker 2: Real quick off there. Ryan Balding built in Baldy secrets who.

00:50:27
Speaker 4: On film as wat's Trevor Penning, who feels that you want to give him a draft pick.

00:50:35
Speaker 1: I was surprised that that wasn't like a swap. Yeah, they gave up a seventh. Jim Harbaugh says, by the way, we'll get to the Chargers, but he's gonna play tackle there, not guard. That he looked better at guard.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: Could well they I mean they don't have any tackle.

00:50:47
Speaker 1: They don't have any tackles. I watched the Saints finally this morning. I thought Tyler Shuck played pretty well. I when I'm saying, like Michael Pennix, give me something, I just mean like three or four plays a game where they're like, okay, Tyler Shuck had about four or five throws in that game. I was like, okay, there's something there. And it was such a limited, weird game where their defense just got absolutely destroyed. And he was throwing short of the sticks a couple of times, probably like he was being told to do on third and long. But it's a lot of like run run, throw a slant on third and seven. But once he got to throw a few passes, it looked okay, And I think it's got to look okay because to me, this is a big week for the Saints after getting blown out a couple of times. At some point we can point out that Kellen Moore is giving us on Sundays and on the field about what he's given us in press conferences, which is a whole lot of nothing, like, well was he supposed to do?

00:51:34
Speaker 3: I'd see that's the thing. Everyone's gonna say that.

00:51:36
Speaker 1: But if you're a good coach, show me something, it's ready, it's right.

00:51:42
Speaker 3: He just seems very.

00:51:43
Speaker 5: The same uninspiring podcast has been on this beat for a few weeks now because watching him closely on the sideline and there's just not a lot of emotion or what.

00:51:52
Speaker 3: What are you trying to do? What? Just show me something, Just show me what.

00:51:55
Speaker 5: You don't need to moral table, You don't have to go full bable, right.

00:51:58
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about yelling. I'm talking about out like what are you trying to accomplish?

00:52:02
Speaker 2: What?

00:52:02
Speaker 3: Or what are we doing here? That's all I don't know.

00:52:05
Speaker 4: Have some sort of stamp the Twins.

00:52:09
Speaker 3: Not on purpose, seems like with who Yeah, but not on purpose.

00:52:12
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis is trying to keep his job and I don't think like they can move forward as an organization as long as he has it. No ways, that's what everyone keeps saying. They would not have made a higher like this with a roster like this. They they cleaned out nobody after Derek carr Announce's retirement. They could have cleaned the deck and they didn't, So they.

00:52:34
Speaker 4: Knew the season had a very high probability of going this way.

00:52:38
Speaker 2: They still it was ten before.

00:52:43
Speaker 3: That was Mickey.

00:52:44
Speaker 1: Uh, look, they could have traded even even more guys. They're not even they didn't. I don't think they were trying to tank. It just is finally working out that way for them. And Kellen Moore might be who is that coach in the Sixers who just had to sit through the process, Brett Brown, I believe it was. He might be like the Brett Brown of the Saints because he's gonna be gone by the time they have a good team.

00:53:04
Speaker 2: Again, which is why we should have Bollius a draft. Anyway, let's go to our next game.

00:53:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Cleveland Browns are two and a half point favorites at the team that traded everybody, the New York.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: Jets over under is thirty seven and a half.

00:53:19
Speaker 6: The game on CBS Bureau Duties and Adam Archiletta they're on the call.

00:53:23
Speaker 2: We get Dylan Gabriel taking on a Jets.

00:53:26
Speaker 6: Defense that is losing some big names because they're gonna be playing elsewhere.

00:53:29
Speaker 2: Greg, how do you see it going?

00:53:32
Speaker 1: I like the Jets coming off a high of not only winning the game, which I really must feel like help they're building, yeah quite a bit, but weirdly high of the trade deadline. I think this these trades and this isn't for the team on the field necessarily, but I think it's for the fans. It actually it's gonna give everyone some hope. And I don't think that's like that's worth something. I actually think the fans are gonna look at what happened on Tuesday Monday and with good reason feel like, Okay, at least you know what you're doing.

00:54:06
Speaker 3: You have these picks over the next two years.

00:54:09
Speaker 1: Your first two picks this year look pretty good, and so that's the picks you really got to hit on.

00:54:15
Speaker 3: You have two good tackles, you have a number one receiver.

00:54:18
Speaker 1: You have a couple young defensive players who are still there that are good players. Jermaine Johnson didn't get traded. There was a report that the forty nine ers wanted him, but they wouldn't give up a second for him, and I was like, Okay, they Jets had their price. They weren't just going to give away good players for the sake of it. And I think they made a decision on Sas Gardner that he wasn't quite that dude. I think if Aaron Glenn really believe like this is the guy to build around, like, they wouldn't have traded him. But for the right price. They were going to trade him, and they got the right price. Ever, I think they Yeah, they did get a great price on both the guys.

00:54:50
Speaker 3: So I like that they have a direction.

00:54:52
Speaker 5: I think that Jermaine Johnson coming out and being so emphatic about wanting to stay a Jet and wanting to be a Jet, which he made some comments because it was very out there that he was on like he was someone teams were calling about, particularly the forty nine ers. That also gives them something because remember last off season when Quentin Williams and I hope that he has like I hope he thrives in Dallas. We talked about this earlier this week. Love that move for both sides. But Quentin Williams was like, Okay, here we go another rebuild. You're not gonna put that guy through yet another rebuild, which they're clearly going to be doing with all those draft picks after this season, right, and you're keeping a guy like who's vocal about wanting to be there. And I think all of these in combination gives them a little bit bit of juice. This is a Every game is a dangerous game for the Cleveland Browns, but this is a dangerous game just an off energy alone. This is a team that's ascending towards something, that has a plan that clearly is showing that they have a vision versus a team that has been in pure chaos for years and still is.

00:55:58
Speaker 1: The Jets were favored in this game before the trades and then it flipped around, which is weird to Glenn do a little magic like Dan Campbell did this first season, just be respectable and competitive.

00:56:09
Speaker 4: The fact that Flip tells me that they think that John Chuckets gonna do something in the run game. So that's that's all I can see. Because I'm with you. I think the Jets it's probably a pretty feel good the players are like where everyone thinks we're gonna suck, it's gonna be horrible.

00:56:23
Speaker 2: Let's go out there.

00:56:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody believed in us.

00:56:26
Speaker 4: I mean I I just think. I mean, like you're saying, Jermaine Johnson wanted to day. You know, where did Aaron Glenn come from? From Detroit where nobody wanted to be. Then they found guys who wanted to stay and that's how they go. So I think they have different leadership from the top of Detroit, which which is very important to the way that their success is gone. But we get it now when Woody Johnson said, hey, our quarterback stinks, but I'm not worried about Aaron Glenn. He knew exactly what they were doing, what they're getting ready to do.

00:56:55
Speaker 6: And I think all those things in terms of the field and and the place where you go with how field, but you summon you know Tom Barringer as Jake Taylor, you know that Cleveland at that time, it's still rocking the slur name where it's like, Okay, there's only one thing left to do, win the whole thing.

00:57:13
Speaker 2: But you know the super Bowl is not necessarily in the question.

00:57:18
Speaker 5: One game. Yeah, let's just try to put a home game.

00:57:20
Speaker 3: One home game.

00:57:22
Speaker 6: Got all the things, got disrespect from the top, You got people doubting you, like, go out there and beat a team that's that's been weird on offense.

00:57:28
Speaker 2: Like, let's be honest, the Cleveland Brown has been weird on offense.

00:57:30
Speaker 6: For a while since they fraudulently decided to not start Jacobe Prissent.

00:57:35
Speaker 2: That's that's where it all went. And you get that guy in.

00:57:40
Speaker 5: As opposed to.

00:57:42
Speaker 6: And so like yeah, and Joe Flack, if this if there's a place for the Jets to to win again and feel good.

00:57:47
Speaker 2: It feels like it's there at MetLife on Sunday.

00:57:50
Speaker 1: And they've got Breisee Hall still and Wis, They've got Garrett Wilson and tight end on tight end.

00:57:56
Speaker 3: You know, Aaron Glenn did not has not.

00:57:58
Speaker 1: The thing I want to see a little bit is can coach defense a little bit? Because those defenses in Detroit they were pretty rough early and they got better, and this Jets defense has been rough. Why don't we listen to Aaron Glenn talking about Brisall, how he didn't move.

00:58:13
Speaker 2: Well.

00:58:13
Speaker 8: I think I've said this mania times over and over that Brice is not a guy I want to get rid of. I mean, he's a damn.

00:58:20
Speaker 2: Good player.

00:58:22
Speaker 8: And any of those those whatever you say came out. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't think I know is. I've said that over and over again, So I don't think there's anything new to you guys.

00:58:32
Speaker 1: The franchise tag, unfortunately for bris Hall, is a good bargain. Actually for NFL teams, just kick it down the road. Wouldn't surprise if he was there. And this game may not feel like it matters much in the standings. But if you're into tankathon, this game is pretty big in terms of angling. And these are the two of the teams that each have extra first round picks, so they're both going to be very active in this draft, and so it's all for positioning.

00:58:58
Speaker 3: And that's why.

00:58:59
Speaker 2: That's why abolished.

00:59:00
Speaker 6: We should have bollished the draft because we have multiple fan bases cheering for their teams.

00:59:04
Speaker 3: They're not. I think.

00:59:06
Speaker 1: I think the fans are all rooting for them to win. It's been so miserable. They want they want to win.

00:59:09
Speaker 5: You guys want to hear crazy stead I just pulled from next Gen just to lighten the mood. You won't really lighten the mood, okay. Miles Garrett has a sixteen point two percent pressure rate this season, okay, which is fifteenth highest in the NFL. So good, not great for him. It's his third lowest since at least twenty eighteen, So even if he's playing like a top fifteen pass rusher, it's his own personal third worst, which just shows you how good he is and how good he can be. And oh my god, once again, I hate this for.

00:59:43
Speaker 3: Him, and he's just racking up sacks. I think, Yeah, and.

00:59:46
Speaker 5: He's converting on thirty percent of his pressure in their sacks.

00:59:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's you're saying. It's not like they're playing with the lead and the other team's throwing the ball for you.

00:59:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, which makes this even more would say, why he's.

00:59:55
Speaker 6: So good, he's had to do it year after But guy's Internet guys says, Hey, the team that you play for and loses and and you can't be upset about it because they're paying you, so stop caring.

01:00:07
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett always listen to the Internet.

01:00:09
Speaker 3: Coming coming off of bye.

01:00:12
Speaker 1: I like it when both teams coming off of by so big big game, Jets, Browns. What a way to finish our early games. You know, stay right here, and by here, I mean this podcast feed. Look if you're watching on YouTube, actually there's no stop at all. Let's talk about the late games. Ooh, we got some bangers in the afternoon in prime time.