Daniel Packard: His Journey to Ending Anxiety

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Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not May Embracing
Autism and Mental Health Worldwide. Joining us today is Daniel Packard,
a UC Berkeley trained mechanical engineer and founder of Permanent
Anxiety Solutions. After battling severe anxiety himself, he spent eight
years researching a groundbreaking system that tackles anxiety at its root,
your nervous system, with a ninety percent success rate and
a unique no change, no charge to guarantee. His six
week nervous system Reset program is redefining how we overcome
fear and anxiety for good. He's here to tell us
his story. So before we dive into our episode, we'll
be back with an uninterrupted show right after a word
from our sponsors. Thanks for coming on.
You're welcome. If you would.
Let's give our audience a little insight to what it
is that you do.
I want to tell a story that will explain it best.
Is that Okay, yeah, okay.
I had a client who reached out to us recently
who struggling with anxiety, mental health, some trauma, some depression,
some procrastination, self doubt.
She had tried a lot of things to solve it.
She'd gone to therapy, she'd read books, she's gone to retreat,
she'd done apps.
Nothing really worked.
She found out about what we're doing, and we helped
her be free of it quickly. The part that stood
out to me is she said, you know, because I
don't have a solution, I feel stuck. I feel like
it's my fault, like I'm broken. And I interrupted her.
I said, you're not broken. There's nothing wrong with you.
It's not your fault. What I told her was this,
I want your audience to really understand, this is the
personal development, mental health, spiritual industry. It's a trillion dollar
a year industry, trillion with a teat. What we saw
was from our research is that it wasn't solving what
people are struggling with. It was managing it, but it
was never solving it. And that this industry I called
the improvement industrial complex has a real result issue.
Okay? Can you expand on that.
What we do is we get people results, and by
results I mean permanent results, fast results, and easy results.
The power of that is that when you have solved.
The anxiety, when you solve the trauma, when you are
free of the self doubt and the low confidence, it
unlocks you to fulfill your potential to be the best
youth and to have the happiest life.
Yeah, that's great.
So you have this one person come to you and
she had her issues. I'm sure you have others as well.
How do you treat the others compared to how you
treated this lady? Is there a different approach for the others?
So the short answer is no.
Because of my story and how I ended up here,
do you mind if.
I tell another story?
No, that's great, It'll make much more sense how we're
able to help people, and why we don't customize things
to each person, and why that actually works better depending
on how you do it. My company's passion it's results
and solutions. And the reason it matters to me is
because when I was younger, my dad, who was an
engineer and a physicist, he basically said, you don't always
know who to trust, and you don't always know who
knows what they're talking about. He said, it's the person
that gets results. He said results matter. That always stuck
with me, this idea that results matter because they do.
That's what people need is results. I was a little
inventor as a kid, and I loved innovating things and
inventing things that got results. So I went to engineering
school to learn how to be properly trained how to
engineer things and test and prototype until you get something
to build results. So I was very skilled, talented, and
trained to make machines that work and get results. The
problem is I didn't know how to make life work,
among other things.
I said in an abusive.
Relationship way too long, and when I came out of it,
my anxiety was through the roof. I had complex PTSD.
My self confidence was in the toilet procrastination. Everything got worse,
and I went looking for help, and I went to therapists,
coaches and gurus, and I read the books and I
download the apps and I meditated, and after ten years
and one hundred grand tony, I was still doing it.
I still had it. It was so painful because I
I felt stuck. I felt broken, I felt like am
I trapped here forever? And I was pissed and I
kind of looked up to the heavens, whoever's up there,
and I was pissed.
I said, you know, what do you want from me?
What do you want from me?
I know this is a test. I'm trying to pass
the test, but what's the test? And I was just
being rhetorically pissed. I just wanted a vent. But I
got this sort of divine download which reminded me what
my dad said when I was a kid, which is
results matter. And I realized that this improvement industrial complex
doesn't get people good results.
So I guess the next question is what did you
do from there?
I'm an engineer. I know how to get results.
So I started an engineering company, an inner engineering company,
to see could we reverse engineer one process for everybody
that would work for everybody such that if you worked
the steps, you would get the result, and the result
would be that it would address the root cause of
what you're struggling with and you would be free of it.
So doing all this, what kind of time frame was
you looking at?
So eight years million dollars in research, we worked at
three thousand people all over the world. We now have
an online automated program where anybody were regardless of what
you're struggling with, a set of tools, instructions, and a
whole program that addresses the root cause quickly and what
you're struggling with. Anxiety, self doubt, people pleasing, low confidence,
overwhelm goes away and stays away.
Wow, that sounds great. What kind of results were you seeing?
It's at a ninety percent success rate. That's what we're
most excited about. If you try it, you won't fail
because people have tried things and they fail and they
feel worse about themselves. And the beauty is it's one
program that works for pretty much everybody, and that's why
we're getting into schools and prisons. I'm working with the
Swedish government because it's one program that's simple works for everybody.
That sounds like a great thing that you've got going. Now,
you spend all the time getting it ready, you've got
it marketed a little bit, but how are you marketing it?
How is it getting out there? How are people finding
out about what you're doing, because it takes more than
just word of mouth in these days.
I mean, it's a really good question because when we
first started to get the results that we had something
that was healing the root cause in a matter of weeks,
we thought, this is just gonna spread like wildfire. This
is what everyone's looking for. Is a solution, a simple solution.
And this is important to understand. We don't charge people
at the beginning of working with us. We only charge
you at the end when what you're struggling with anxiety
something that is gone.
You pay at the end when it works.
And we thought, this guarantee is going to catch on
and we're gonna help millions, And we didn't.
Did you have any idea why it didn't work that way?
I didn't know why started doing research, my marketing team
started doing research. We just realized, because people have tried
so many things that haven't solved anything. Because this industry
raise on people in pain. People are way too skeptical
and not trusting. So the good news is we innovated something.
But anytime something is innovative, people are doubtful. And so
traditional marketing just was not working because people just thought
it was too good to be true. And so what
has worked is these podcasts because I can tell the
story of where I was and where I am now.
I used to have anxiety pta and it's just gone, gone, Tony,
and that's remarkable.
We get to tell that we've built this.
Company to solve things, and then also I share with
your audience how it's possible our approach and why it's
different and why people can be free of things quickly.
We tried so many things, and the one thing was
the podcast because it gives me more time to help
people understand that they don't have to live like this
if they don't want them.
Yeah, that's definitely a great start. Now here's something you
brought up. I think that it's something that definitely needs
to be discussed. You mentioned that there are so many
people out there that are trying to get everyone's dollar,
and that's why they don't trust them. What do you
say to the skeptics. You're going to always have those
naysayers that say, oh, I tried it, it didn't work,
it's a scam, blah blah blah. What do you say
to them? It's their perception, it's their reality, it's what
they believe. So how do you gain their trust to
show them what you're doing it's helping.
I mean, that's been what we've been working on on.
Here's a bunch of answers. So first of all, there's
two ways that we try to reach people and build trust.
So first is, and I'll mention this later, I'm going
to send your audience to my website to download a
free training called Pathway to Permanent Results at no charge.
You can understand our model and understand it more deeply,
and you can apply one of the techniques that we
develop so that you can see for yourself whether it
works or not. You'll get a result. You will feel
it for yourself. And so we build trust by saying, look,
try it and see if it works for you. It's
to show people they can feel something in their body.
So that's one way that we build trust, as we say, look,
before we take your money, go try it. See for yourself.
And the other way that we build trust is again
I come on here. People see the passion, They see
that I really care about people, and we don't want
people to fail. And then the other is, look, people
are going to be skeptical. They've been burned so many
times by so many people, so many people over promising
and under delivering.
So you should be skeptical.
If I didn't see the results every day, meaning I
wake up completely calm and tranquil after a life of
anxiety and trauma, and I didn't see the data on
our clients every day, I would not believe what we
do come on like a solution in six weeks.
So be skeptical.
The reason we only charge people at the end when
they get results as two reasons. One is my dad
said results matter, meaning if you can't help people, you
shouldn't charge people. A mechanic doesn't charge you unless they
can fix your car. Most industries that get results they
charge you for results. But the improve in industrial complex
they just take your money whether they get you a
result or not. And I am ethically opposed to that.
Yeah that's good, So what is the other reason? Can
you expand on that?
The other reason we charge at the end is to
lower the risk because people are going to be skeptical,
and we say, fine, be skeptical.
Try it.
If it doesn't work, you don't pay. If it does work,
you get to be happier and healthier for the rest
of your life.
So that been the.
Best ways to address skepticism. But honestly, it's like one
in a thousand even if people believe that the program
can work. And I've had people say I believe the
program can work. I see what you do, I see
that could work, but I feel broken, like I don't
trust me. I think I'm too broken to be fixed.
So there's not skepticism about us. There's skepticism can.
They really change?
And when you've had something your whole life, you're skeptical.
So it takes real courage to try one more thing,
one more time. And so the people that we work
with are skeptical, but they're curious and they have courage
and they want to be happy or bad enough that
they're willing to take a risk.
Yeah, I can understand that that does make sense. So
with a lot of companies, they're always evolving, they're always
creating new products. What's your day to day look like
what's on the horizon.
So there's two things. One is we're a scientist.
We are always improving the program to be simpler, get
the high success rate. It's nine out of ten right now,
which is for this industry huge and it's six weeks,
which is incredibly fast. But we love efficiency, so we
continue to collect data. I have a gentleman on my
team where as a master's in data science from Michigan.
He tabulates the client data. As you go through our program,
you're tracking your results. You're measuring psychometrics in our app,
so we can see how you're doing a that proves
to us and you that you got results in our program.
But also it allows us to optimize and improve the program.
So part of us is we're still tweaking. We always
want to make it better. And then the other half
is giving talks and going on podcasts to get the
word out.
Yeah that sounds good. Now, how did you design this?
You said you went through ten years of struggles yourself.
Then you started looking into it on what you could
do to help. What was the catalyst that helped you
create the design so you could put this program together
where it could not only help yourself, but help others
as well.
So the catalyst was two things. One, well three things.
One it was my own pain. I didn't want to
live like this forever. And I saw that this industry
wasn't innovating. It's the same regurgitated concepts over and over
and over again. It's antiquated technology. You know, concepts and
modern psychology showed up in Greece around three thousand years ago.
A lot of personal development concepts showed up in India
and Greece and Dallas philosophy like three thousand years old.
Modern psychology is one hundred years old, and it hasn't innovated.
It's the same repackaged concepts. They're good concepts, they're valuable,
but there's no innovation. And so we wanted to innovate.
That was one catalyst, innovation to solve my own pain,
but the pain of others. And then the catalyst was,
let's approach this like engineers, not let's learn a bunch
of concepts and rehash them. Let's start from scratch. So
the first thing that we did was we simplified things.
We saw that when you struggle, it's really not easy,
it's very complicated to know what you have, what it is?
What should I do? Is it my ego?
Is it my past?
Is it my hormones? Is it my trauma? Should I
jump in an ice bucket? Should I walk on coal?
Should I quiet my ego or awaken the giant from within?
Should I do breath work?
Like?
It's complicated and at best it just manages the symptoms.
So it's very confusing.
And we said, if you really understand something, you should
be able to simplify it. You know, Newton took all
of motion on planet Earth got it down to three laws.
Einstein takes this complicated thing theory of relativity gets it
down to one equation. So we said, what if we
could simplify this as engineers, because if we can simplify it,
we're gonna get a better result.
Okay, that makes sense. Now what did you find out
from there?
The first big simplification was that we saw what wasn't working,
which is that we are taught that we usually have
multiple problems, meaning I have procrastination, I have anxiety, I've
got trauma, I have overwhelmed, I have low confidence. We're
taught we have multiple problems, and we're usually taught that
these are problems of the mind. Cognitive behavioral therapy works
in cognition. Spiritualities is quiet, the ego which is in
the mind, mental health.
It has the word mental right in there.
So we're taught we have multiple problems of the mind.
But we said, if that's true, why isn't this getting
better results. Anxiety is on the rise, It's up eight
percent this year alone, life satisfaction score is down three
percent each year. Overall, happiness indexes down about two percent
per year. If we have problems of the mind, why
getting such bad results? And what we discovered is that
we do not have multiple problems of the mind. First
of all, we have multiple symptoms of one singular thing,
which is fear.
Can you expand your thought process on that.
Many things that we struggle with are actually symptoms of fear. So,
for instance, you could say you procrastinate, or you could
say you have a fear of starting and finishing things.
You could say you're a perfectionist, or you could say
you have a fear of making a mistake. You could
say you have self doubt, you have a fear of
being authentic, You could say you have anxiety, or you
could say you have a lot of fear. You could
say you have PTSD, or you could say you have
a lot of fear panic attacks.
That's just a lot of fear.
So we saw that underneath that what people were struggling
with was at the symptom level. And that's one of
the reasons that people can't solve things is because they're
sent to the symptom level, and we saw that fear
was the root cause. So you know a lot about
health and how to be happier. Does it at least
make sense that a lot of what we're told we
have or a disorder might sometimes be symptoms of fear.
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah, I definitely can see that.
I'm not a doctor, but I can see where fear
can create anxiety, it can make you apprehensive about doing things.
That totally makes sense.
Yeah, So right away, I want to tell your audience
part of the reason they're not able to solve things
is because this well intentioned industry sent you to the
wrong location, told you you had a lot of problems
and really have symptoms, and so you weren't sent to
the root cause. And if you don't go to the
root cause, the best you can do is manage it.
And that's why people spend all this money and time
managing but it never goes away because they're never sent
to the root. Cause your audience doesn't need me to
tell you that fear is a problem. That's not a newsflash.
But when you look at how people approach fear, it's
overcome fear, Face the fear, reframe the fear, don't let
the fear affect you so much. And that's fine for
managing things, but it's not a solution. And engineers, we said,
can we solve fear? To solve it, we needed to
know where it was coming from. Again, we're told fear
is a problem of the mind, but we said, if
this is true, why aren't we getting better results. What
the research showed is that fear does not originate in
the mind. Fear, the major source of limiting fear is
located and starts and is fueled in the body. If
you're feeling anxious, do you say I think anxious or
I feel anxious?
Oh? Definitely, I feel anxious. Yeah.
Do people say I think fear, I feel fear?
Yeah, it's definitely a feeling for sure. Yeah.
And where do you feel it? Chest, heart, throat, stomach, gut.
Do those sound like mind words or body words?
Yeah?
I mean that makes total sense. If you feel fear, anxiety,
whatever it might be, is a nervous feeling.
Exactly, and one thing it affects is the mind. If
you feel fear, your mind thinks there's a problem and
will start saying scary thoughts, which then keep you stuck
in a loop.
It's also the way we're wired. We are wired that our.
Body feels things first, and then your mind is a
little computer to kind of get the body what it
needs to stay alive. You feel hunger in the body,
first you sense it. Then the mind tries to go
get food. So for reasons, I'll explain your fear in
the body. First, the mind thinks there's a problem because
it sees the fear, but there's no tiger anymore. So
then the mind says, uh, oh, I'm not good enough. What's
wrong with me? What do people think about me? I'm broken?
What about finances? What about health? Then you get stuck
in a loop. If you want to manage fear, you
go to the mind. You can manage fear in the mind,
but the solution is in the body.
After living a.
Life of anxiety, PTSD, self doubt, overwhelm. For ten years,
I've been chill as a cucumber. I wake up every
morning in a default calm because I use our tools
and I've never done any work on my mind. So
I want to tell your audience part of the reason
you don't have a solution and you keep repeating these
patterns is the experts, well well intentioned, sent you to
the wrong location, to the mind, which is the symptom level,
and they didn't address you to the root cause. I
want your audience to know you are not broken. There
is nothing wrong with you. You were just sent to the
wrong place. But if you go to the right location,
you get much better results.
Okay, hypothetically, they go through your course, everything's going good.
Then all of a sudden, emotions come back. It can
be anxiety, it can be depression, it can be fear,
it can be anything.
How do you handle that?
So what we're doing, because we're going to the root cause,
essentially we're creating a solid foundation. Think of emotional pain
like physical pain, and imagine. We don't have to imagine,
but metaphorically, you have a tooth, and if a tooth
is healthy, you can apply pressure to the tooth and
you'll feel pressure. You'll feel life pushing on you, challenge you.
If the tooth is strong, all you feel is pressure.
It's about a two out of ten to three out
of ten. However, if the tooth is not solid and
strong and fragile the same pressure, you don't just feel
pressure two out of ten. You feel a spike, which
we call pain. And it's that spike people are feeling.
So I'll explain to your.
Audience the system in the body that regulates fear that's
basically malfunctioning and is fragile normally. Now, when life pushes
on your audience and challenge, their system isn't solid and
they spite. Instead of a two out of ten, they
feel eight out of ten, nine out of ten, ten
out of ten, and very scary and very limiting. We
strengthen your system such that when life challenges you, you
might feel it. You might be scared, but you're much
more solid and you just feel pressure, a little bit
of stress, maybe two out of ten. I have a
client who came to us who has a very challenging job,
very crazy family job, entrepreneur. There's a lot going on
constantly anxious, she was panic attacks and burnout. She came
to us, she used our system, and her system is
now strong and resilient. Same family, same job, same challenges,
but instead of feeling eight out of ten stress and
panic and trauma for about five hours a day, she
feels about two out of ten for about six minutes
a day. So that's how we approach these things. Yes,
you will react, the amount you react goes dramatically down,
and it's a permanent change because we've strengthened your system
and it can handle things better.
Okay, great, So in closing, tell the audience a little
bit about what you think is most important that they
take out of what you're trying to do and what
you're doing with your company.
We're not the first ones to come up and understand
that the body is a major contributor to our experience.
There's a famous book called Body Keeps the Score. Gab
Or Matte works on the body. Even breath work calms
the body. But it's temporary. So even if you know
that fear is originating in the body or is a
large part of it, we didn't know why, why is
the body so fragile? So this was the big key
discovery that we saw that nobody else was seeing, which
is what I want people to know. Essentially, your nervous
system is the system in your body that regulates fear.
It's got the word nervous right in there. That should
have been a clue.
To everybody that fear is not mental health, it's body
health because there's a system in the body called the
nervous system. Every system in the body, for the most part,
needs certain nutrients. Your body needs water, it needs Vitamin C,
vitamin D, it needs electrolytes, it needs sleep, it needs
nutrients to run. If a system doesn't get proper nutrients,
it malfunctions. And we said, well, wait a minute, maybe
the nervous system is malfunctioning, not because of the outside
or the past. Maybe it's not getting proper nutrients. Now
I don't mean vitamins or physical nutrients. I mean emotional nutrients.
And what we saw, what was creating so much of
the fear and people at the root cause was that
the nervous system wasn't getting proper emotional nutrients because we
were never taught how to do it.
So the nervous.
System is malfunctioning, and basically your fear switch, which should
be going on and off, is now stuck in the
on position, and it's sort of creating all this fear
that's creating all these symptoms, the anxiety, a lot of.
The trauma, a lot of the overwhelm, a lot of
the self doubt.
I want people to know that every part of your
body needs nutrients, but there's this one system which controls
fear also needs nutrients, and if you don't get at
the nutrients, it's gonna malfunction. You're gonna have a life
of extra fear and struggle. So what I want people
to know is your anxiety is not a psychological issue.
It's a nutrient issue, which is a huge new way
of looking at it. It's so powerful is because we
know if you don't get something nutrients, it's going to malfunction,
and it can malfunction your whole life. But if you
just get a system the nutrients it needs, the problem
can go away in a matter of weeks. So that's
the most important thing I want people to know. Underneath
a lot of what you're struggling with is fear. It's
coming from the body. It's linked to the nervous system.
You are never taught to give the nervous system proper nutrients,
and so your fear switch is stuck in the opposition,
making life really hard. But I want to give your
audience hope that we've developed a system that makes it
easy to get your body nutrients. And when you do that,
the fear switch turns off. When the fear switch turns off,
the anxiety goes away and stays away. A lot of
the trauma feeling goes away, stays away, the self doubt goes.
Away, and the confidence goes up.
And what that gives people access to Tony And this
is what it's about. You just get to be happier,
You have more energy, you have more focus, You get
to be the person that you want to be.
Yeah, that sounds great. If you would give them a
little more information and your website so they can find you.
Now, I know what I'm saying sounds great, but your
audience is very skeptical. They should be, so like, do
not take my word for it, see for yourself. I
hope what I've shared with you at least has your
audience maybe.
Curious to see if this might work for them.
And if you're at least curious to see and want
proof that this will work, you just go to Daniel
Packer dot com. You'll see for free, no charge, you
get our free training which we spent years developing pathway
to permanent results, where you can learn about the nutrients
that your nervous system needs that you were never taught
to give yourself. And then you're going to give yourself
one of those nutrients and when you do it, you
will start to feel noticeably, noticeably calmer. You'll have a result,
it'll prove to you that this can possibly work for you.
That's what I would share.
Okay, well, this has been a great conversation, great information.
I really appreciate you taking the time to come on
and join us today.
Thank you for having me. Thank you for all you
do to help people in pain in a meaningful way.
You're using your gifts to help people in pain live
better lives, and hopefully so I am. So it was
nice to collaborate with you, and I hope we reach
some people today.
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