TGI - Episode 215 “Breaking Up is Really, Really Hard to Do”

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is kind of a weird question, but have you guys ever been watching a movie or a TV show and been shocked to discover that you basically are a character or that a character is you? And I'll tell you the context for me. I recently rewatched Ladybird. Have you guys seen Ladybird? M Okay, I have seen it? Yes, incredible film credit growick, I love I Actually Francis Hall is like one of my favorite movies of all time. Anyway, So I was rewatching Ladybird, and I had forgotten Timothy Shallow's character in this movie. It is unbelievable. Like, I don't know Timothy Shalloway's work that well, but he is so good in this. Her friend play no so he plays the second love interest, so she's basically she's got. She falls in love with Lucas Hedges. He's an incredible actor. God, he's so good. She falls in love with him and and they actually have like a relationship, but then she catches him kissing a guy in the bathroom, so it's revealed that she's you know, he's gay. So she then pursues the like cool kid who's Timothy Shalomer okay, and I have the first time, it was all this movement didn't occur to me. Watching this the second time, I was like, oh god, that's sixteen year old Rider, he like, and I just felt so aware of how do she I was at sixteen, like, you guys have to watch it now because you will know you will be like, oh yeah, I can see what Rider saw of himself. It was just like the most I was so embarrassed for myself watching this movie by myself at night point, like how did I not see that Timothy Shaloman is basically Ride Strong in nineteen ninety six, and it is so embarrassing for you know, good and bad, Like he's very confident, he's very cool and like, very self assured and very like I would say, he's you know, thinking ahead of his time in certain regards. But it's so doche and it's played so well that she loves him because you're just like, come on, Kat, you see this guy for how horribly is which I couldn't at the time either. You know, I was beating that guy anyway that you're never horrible, no, never a bad person, but oh man, you gotta watch this, say I gave anybody to know what a rider strong back, you know, And this is this is for a very limited time. This is that window between like sixteen and seventeen when I could drive and I was trying to be at a grown up and I wasn't quite there yet, but I, you know, read a lot of books and had a lot of big ideas about politics and was just showing off like, Oh, it's so bad, you'll love it, You'll love it. Oh that's so funny. Well, who do you have one like that? I don't really, I can't none that. I none that popped to mind anyway. I mean, I've certainly based my humor on certain characters from television or films when I grew up, but I've yet to kind of see one and go like, oh, that's me, right, because it's um, yeah, I don't. And I have to disagree a little bit with you, writer. I don't know. I don't think you were ever douchey. I just think you were. I didn't even know you. You know you you you were it didn't maybe didn't feel like it at the time. Maybe you were slightly douchy too, but no, I'm sure different reason you have to watch this movie because you there will be a there's a shot. He even has like similar hair, and it's just so. And he's like outside of a coffee shop rolling his own cigarettes and talking about philosophy or whatever. And I was just like, oh my god, Like it was just so. I don't know, it was it was a healthy recognition. It was not like, you know, did he ever like study or practice Capeta? Yes, exactly, exactly see, And I was probably the guy was talking about how cool Capuetta was and how the martial arts not as aggressive. Probably a whole thing. You can't defend yourself and you need a lot of room to do it. It's great, it's hard brands self defense. Oh how about you, Danielle. Have you seen a character where it's like that's me? Oh? I think that requires a level of enjoying art that I just don't have. I feel like, doesn't everybody watch Friends and go like, oh, I'm so Monica. I'm sold. It is something I wish I were better at. And maybe I'll add it to the list of many things I haven't great intentions of doing when my current excuse is having small children. But maybe I've just always had some excuse for why I'm I'm too busy or whatever. But um, watching TV and watching TV and movies are just not things I do. I I don't if I have if I have free time to do something that I really want to do. I am reading, I am not watching something. I'm not watching a movie, I'm not watching television. And yet as a director, I should probably be consuming much more media than I am, but I just don't. So at least you're reading. Man, that's so great reading. Yeah, I love it. Dropped off so much every day well, and I wish I was reading more. But the truth is I have such limited free and downtime, which is one of the reasons I do enjoy traveling so much, because I will make it a priority in my day when I travel, or nothing better to do on a plane than read content. So we have to talk about that a little bit, Danielle, because we're we're gonna be s We're gonna be sitting next to each other, you and I on the flying back this weekend. Are you expecting to talk? I'm just I'm just curious. I got to put that in my head. In no, no, we you don't even have enough about each other at this point. To where we can take a good six hour break. Don't you think I actually should I sit behind him, just because I didn't want you to think that there was any possibility I was going to want to talk, and I thought, and I don't think Will's gonna want to talk, but I don't want him to think I'm sitting next to him because I'm gonna talk. And I'm glad you're not sitting behind me. So and be like, oo, hi, the person behind me keeps kicking my chair, my little legs. That don't the whole time of God's kind of a letter on the plane. Okay, no, don't even look at me. Well, don't even look. I might give me a thumbs up occasionally something like that, just to let you know we're all good. But I'm gonna have to probably be like, excuse me, I got go potty. Yeah, that'll be. You prefer the window or the aisle, because I know you like the aisle because I'm taking the window and I prefer the window. So perfect worked out? Well, um, well, welcome to pod Meet's world. I'm Daniel Fishel, I'm right or strong, and I'm Wilfrid Well special. Thank you to all of our dear listeners. We have to announce that our live show at the iHeart Theater in la is now sold out, but that does not mean that you cannot join us. No matter where you live, you can stream the show on May first at five PMPT and experience an amazing night of boy meets World memories. Right along with us, writer Will and I will be hanging out telling more of our stories and now with special guests Betsy Randall, also known as Everyone's favorite Mom, Amy Matthews and Anthony Tyler Quinn aka mister Turner. What tie will he wear? I wonder? Also just announced the main event, the Bully reunion. You guys have been asking for it, I have been dying for it. On stage, you will be seeing Blake, Ethan and Danny see each other for the first time in almost three decades. That's right, Danny McNulty, Blake Senate and Ethan supply will bring the gang back together on stage. So you better hide your lunch money. This is going to be special. And as if that wasn't action packed enough, Lisa Loebe will be performing. Yes, that Lisa Lobe So make sure you stream this from the comfort of your own home. Which is my favorite way to do anything. And the part you have a full week to watch it once you buy it. No rush from May first. Just go to moment dot coo, slash pod meets World Now and sign up. If I was thirteen and interviewing writers strong right now, I would say this show sounds very cool. Welcome to this episode. We are recapping season two, episode fifteen, Breaking Up is Really Really Hard to Do It originally aired January twenty seventh, nineteen ninety five, and I thought this synopsis is one of my favorites that we've ever read on the show, just because I think it does a good job of explaining how kind of quirky this episode is. Corey asks Wendy out on a date for a couple's night, and now she won't leave him alone. Eric is banned from dating until his grades pick up, while Phoene and Turner play racquetball. Okay, pretty much summed it up though, Okay, yeah, I'm gonna make a bold statement. Oh, this is one of my favorite episodes of the series so far. Great. This is one of my favorite episodes of this series. I laughed out loud several times. I rewound things we were all starting to hit our groove. It was absurd. It was wonderful, one of my favorite episodes so far. I mean, that's good, cool man. I enjoyed it, but I definitely did not think it was one of our best step I thought it was great, loved it. Yeah, yeah, I also enjoyed it. Um I wouldn't say it's in I think it's one of the best episodes, but I definitely enjoyed it. And obviously the one it's finally we're here they want you to take the roles is here. Yeah. I could have watched an entire episode of those characters in that makeup like that. I could that easily could have been a spin off episode. Yep. So funny and so great. I understand why people love it so much. Um So, this episode was directed by je McCracken, which this is the first jun David Trainer episode. This is the first McCracken episode. I thought, so too. Yeah, okay, good, that's so interesting because I actually felt aware of something being different and yeah, that's especially in the kitchen scene with with with U Ben and that's so funny. Okay, yes, so our first non David Trainer episode. It was written by Mark Blutman and Howard Buskang, and It guest starred Jason Marsden as Jason Mark Jensen, Jessica Wesson, who we saw in Pairing Off earlier in the season. She comes back as Wendy Jansen slash Old Wendy, Katie Barnhill as Lorie, Katie Johnston as Bonnie, and Musetta Vander as Dominique. She played a siren in Oh Brother, Where Art thou? By the way? Okay, yeah, So to jump into our recap, we are at Chubby's. Corey is reading a dinner party invitation that says couples only, and he says it's discrimination against people like Sean and him, people who are living the single life. And then the camera pans over to show Sean, who is making out with a girl. Writer's first right on kiss screens. Now, the only thing that might throw out. I was on a show called Davis Rules, Remember that, Yeah, And I played a character named Timmy the Lip, and I was I was in trouble for kissing girls. I know that that's the story, but I don't think I actually kissed a girl on the show. So this is probably this moment, and this is why I think I've often I've I've said during Q and a's and stuff, how awkward it is when you meet an extra right and you had making out with them. And I think that's why that's ingrained as like the because that's what happened here. She doesn't have any line, right, she's not. Yeah, she was actually wouldn't have been there all week, so it would have been like me pretending to make out with somebody all week and then literally moments before they filmed up being like this is so and so right, you know, meet and now you're going to be making out. So I remember, I remember that moment. I remember being paralyzed and terrified, and now to realize it was also my first on screen kiss, not just ye need somebody and kiss them, but yeah, I thought that same thing. I was like, there, he is, there, he's doing he's kissing a girl. He's kissing a girl. Yeah, yep, and within a great vest. You're back to multiple layers vest again. Pretty great. Yeah, that's multiple layers. Go ahead, no, no, by all means, please let you say it. Well, no, there's an erection reference. Thank you for saying it so that I don't have to. Yeah, you're joke about is about an erection. Remember in health class and we learned about blood moving through the body. I understand that now, I understand that. Now that's how I just took that as like my heart was racing. I do that's as an erection reference. Absolutely, I'm watching it was like, ye, sure, did weird? Yep? Exactly exactly. Sean says Corey can ask a girl and then they can all go No big deal. He points out Wendy and tells Corey to go ask her out and do what he does with girls, not think at all. Corey walks up to Wendy and invites her to the party, but she says it's for couples only and that Corey looks like he's just looking for a date, not a relationship. Corey says, no, if that's not the case. So Wendy says, there are a couple now, and she's going to go tell all of her friends. He says he'll do the same thing, and he goes to tell Sean and he says, look, I love this scene because it's just you see all the problems coming right. It's just like the slow train wreck watching Corey. But it's also completely understandable that Corey would be like, I want to be a couple, sure, Like, please, you'll go with me to this thing. I just love I love the writing. I love that we've know Corey so well at this point that he's like gonna be stoked and agree to all of this and then yeah, and that Sean sets him up for all of the problems without realizing what a catastrophe it's going to be. Later. He also, it's very real because when you're in seventh or eighth, your relationship always lasts a week. For sure, it's a week, it's ten days. Oh my god, they've been together a month. That's crazy. So the idea that she then instantly wants me together forever, it made just something that's totally normal into a legitimate problem. It was, Yeah, Well, then we're in the Matthews living room and this scene starts with Eric saying, look at me, I'm alone, which is just related to what Corey said in the scene right before look at me, I'm a couple. But it doesn't really tie into your storyline at all at all. And that was one thing I noticed about it. Yeah, yeah, on running thing for this entire episode that I did find out the scenes just abruptly end, right. There's a number of different scenes where it's like, oh that, Oh I guess that's over. Oh okay there, Yeah, it's just we're on a different scene. It was really weird. Yeah I didn't notice that, but maybe that's a directing thing too, But you mean more in the terms of the writing, like the way it actually jokes. Yeah, it did. It did definitely have the feel of like optical flip, but the connection between the two optical flips was just someone saying, look at me and the next person, I'm a couple, look at me, I'm alone. I'm alone. Yeah. It was very and it was like, well, and I guess it does tie into your storyline of no dating, right, but like we haven't gotten there yet. We're we're literally being thrown into the scene about your grades and they're about ready to tell you that you're not allowed to that you're going to have to be alone. So it's a little bit of a yeah it was a cheat that didn't Yeah, it's a little bit of a cheat. Um um. But I remember this so I remember my storyline in this because this, to me, this episode I can point to as kind of the genesis of Eric getting bigger. I was wondering if this was this is the one I remember the whole thing and I was getting big last during the run through with the giggling and stuff at the end with it with doing the hair, and this is the one where it was like, oh, I can take it up a notch. This is because I mean, am I thinking? What I was thinking about it was like, I really don't like your storyline. I think it's pretty stupid and on the nose and vious, but you're so good in it and that it's fine, do you know what I mean? Like, but if you took the written the scene as written, where like you're saying the things that you're saying to is it Dominique? Is that her? Yes, the things that you're saying to her while you're getting into are just like oh God, but of course you deliver it. You know what It's like? Okay? And I guarantee you that the writers were like, oh, he could do anything, like we could. I guess that's why we can. One of my favorite episodes and it's because that good. Yeah, this started, This started the genesis of Eric being alone nuts. Yeah, I just you know, in general, like I've just because I didn't. I don't you like the girl craziness is funny when it's sophisticated or what it's but like you just being like my girls and crime, like it just reminds me of like me with the cheerleaders. It's just like this one note sort of take that. Yeah, I guess it's just like, oh, we have to get behind this character sexual frustration. That's what's funny. And I'm just always kind of like, isn't that just because they still didn't know where Eric was at this point? And that's why I can look at this episode and be like, all right, now he's just going to be absurd, right to start something? Yeah? You know. Yeah. And by the way, I mean, it's like David Kendall said when we talked to Kendall, we have a Jim carry on our hands. This was the moment when that may have been really realized, Like, oh, he can literally do anything. He can do vocal humor, he can do, physical comedy, he can do like, let's just see where else what else we can do, give him something else, Let's let's see what's happening. Like you really had a big freedom that I think really started here too. Yeah, this is an important episode for me just as an actor, because it was like, oh, I can just kind of say, yeah, this was an absurd episode all the way around, and I like and I liked the absurdity of it was I was a fan of that. Yeah, so yeah, I remember this week. Alan and Amy tell Eric he can't go out until he gets his grades up to letters closer to the top of the alphabet. Amy asks Alan, and how can you be so cruel to my little baby? And Alan reveals it was actually her idea, which is funny. Alan says Eric can't rely on his looks, and Eric says all he wants to be is a weatherman, which started It's also where it started yet the weatherman. Eric says, I feel like this this storyline is actually pivotal in the sort of Eric developed right, and that you're taking the girl crazy factor, which is all we've established about his character, and we're pinting it up against his grades, like it's you're not you're not going to be so smart if you keep focusing on the you know, it's like these two impulses, and I think the fact that the character is not going to be that smart is going to become the fun Yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. Eric says to consider his counter argument, and then he just cries, don't take away my girls. Strange. And then we're in the school hallway. Wendy is waiting for Corey outside of his classroom and she tells him that spending this week with him has been the best week of her life. Corey agrees, he tries to leave, and then she asks him what he's doing this summer. Wendy says she's looking forward to spending the summer together, and Corey responds that they should wait to see how the spring goes. First, the bell rings and Corey is heading off to his next class. Wendy knows he's off to chemistry, which shocks him. She knows his entire schedule. As he leaves, she asks if he's forgetting anything, and Corey checks his zipper, which gets a big laugh from the audience and Wendy was alluding to a kiss. They peck and he walks away. Well now also before that before oh, I know, I bet you're going to say the same thing. Yes, yes, that is a very bizarre moment to have come back yep, okay, do we think I have a couple theories. One is it a conscious reference to straight in to call? Two is it a completely unconscious beat where like our writers just have this idea of like a woman straight into this callar that's cute, it'll be people in relationships do and it just happened. Or is it this like interesting like echo. Maybe both can be true, right like, because to me I immediately was like whoa that was like a that was the end or there was the end of boy Boy Meets Girl episode, like a whole episode about like how he feels about Topanga with her straightening his caller. I don't know. It seems like it needed to be referenced or acknowledged. I kind of think it was done on purpose, but I could be wrong. I mean I wrote it down like that's a that's a Topanga thing right there, and I'm wondering if they did that on purpose. I don't know. I think it's a little bit of both. I think writer, it is exactly what you said where it's a little bit of both. I think it is an slightly outdated idea our writers had about um female affection coming out as a maternal like in a maternal sense, where when a woman likes you, she wants she takes care of you in that way and in a maternal way makes you more presentable rum And in with that, I think it is a callback to the last time we saw a girl take care of him in this way, which was Topanga. So I think it's I think it was both interesting. I think it speaks to something I I was flabbergasted by this whole episode about, which is that this this episode is clearly played for a joke, right, like she's nuts, she's crazy, But actually what happens or what she's crazy about is the Corey Topanga storyline. I said that at the end of the episode, I said, my number one confusion is why did that? Why did Corey become Wendy? Yes, exactly exactly. And that's what I think is so interesting that in some ways it's like you had to have this storyline and order for Corey and Topanga to be okay? Does that make sense? Like like once we had made fun of the idea that you how ridiculous it would it be if the person you met in whatever grade right becomes your you know, your love of your life and you end up having kids together. But like that seriousness, almost psychotic level of seriousness that Corey has later on in the show, and I believe to Panga has two to a certain degree, is what is being made fun of in this episode, right, And so in a lot of ways, it's sort of like a release vow for it, like, well, she's crazy, And then then we know that Corey's actually serious about it, and that that he's not just crazy, he really does understand love because he didn't. He didn't. He wasn't Wendy, right, He wasn't like just as as baddy as she was. He really knows that he into Panga. But that's kind of a cheat, that's kind of a weird distinction with that. I also didn't think she was all that crazy, Like I think they could have ramped up the crazy a little bit. No, I mean certain things. You get a girl who's in the seventh grade, who's with the first relationships. He's in the idea of thinking about we might get married or we might do this. Oh, don't get me wrong, I doodled always names all over my journey, but I just knew not to say it out loud. I know, But that doesn't It wasn't like I mean, I thought if they were going to go absurd crazy, they could have really done some like they could have gone absurd crazy as opposed to just like, what are you doing this summer because we're gonna have fun and our kids are you know, It's like that's kind of like normal crazy. Yeah, I'm okay with it, I guess. I guess I liked all of that, especially I like when Betsy was fine with it. Yeah, but when Betsy turns at the end of that scene it goes beep beep beep. I was like, really now, first assessment, which was like, she's playing house. This is huge, right. That's why that's why the crazy didn't make sense to me, because it's like, I mean, I think crazy should have been more immediate, you know, the same way that TK is crazy was immediate. TK gets him all the roses and does all these things in the immediate that are like, whoa, that's actually crossing the line, you know you buy stakes, But in this case, she's just fantasizing that's agree. And that's what I mean. That's why I didn't think it was all that all that nuts. But I also one of the things I loved about the episode was the fact it seemed it seemed like our show. It seemed like we all were in our bodies, we all had our characters down, we all knew what we were doing, and it kind of seemed like an episode of Boy Means All. To me. It just I had that moment of Sean Sean and Corey's Corey and the parents are the parents, Eric's Eric, Like, it seems like we don't even Phoenie, the Phoene storyline of that kind of you know, uh underhanded feene a little bit. It all just felt right to me, funny, that's great. Yeah, yeah, I think you're probably feeling it even more because it was probably in some part of your brain where you also really clicked in. I totally hear what you're saying. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, that's cool. I also think going back, just really briefly, I don't I don't want to do on this too long, but going back really briefly to the differences between like what Corey and Tapanga became and Wendy and Corey in the scene or in the show. Um, I guess the argument on the opposite side would be, well, Corey ought to know to Panga or Corey got knows to Panga over the course of many years, so that by the time he is like, this is going to be my person. We're spending our entire lives together. It's it's like he really knows her, as opposed to Wendy does not truly know Corey. This is just the first person she's been in a relationship with, and she's already decided and she's taking it to this extreme. What if he is not actually what if you guys don't have enough shared interests, what if you don't actually like him? Like that's what you're supposed to discover upon dating, is like do I like this person? Really? And you don't really get to know someone that quickly. You think you do, but you don't, and so but then the other My other thing about Corey and t Penga is like a lot of the arguments for why we thought we should have stayed together was just because well we had so much time under our belts with shared history, like so, well we've already been together for seven years, and truthfully, that can be a terrible reason to stay in a relationship with someone. Like also, isn't there a lot of we're meant to be together conversation like you're the one for me, yeah, which is kind of on both ends. It's just both a dead end argument, right, that's just like oh that we were supposed to be together there, Okay, we can't we can't finish it, like we can't debate that, Like it's just we meant to be together, destiny. It's also in the episodes later on with Linda where with Linda Cardelini where we break up, he says, you know, other people may have had doubts, but I've never had doubts or something like that, or one of us says we've never had doubts, and I'm like, really yeah, and it's way more Wendy than Wendy to me, like that kind of stuff later that later stuff where that's where those are like red flag stuff where it's like, no, that's not good, yeah to Panga not going to Yale with it. I mean, like it gets really have a different perspective on it. I know, I got I got hate online when I was online because I flat out said somebody tweeted something was Lisa Simpson. It was a meme of Lisa Simpson lying in bed wide awake in the middle of the night and it said lying awake at night, not like unable to believe that Topanga chose Yale or chose Corey over Yale. And I wrote, I like retweeted in and wrote, yeah, she chose wrong or something like that, and it was like, are you kidding me? And even Michael came in and he did the whole lyrics from that, U don't know nothing about history, don't know nothing about biology, you know, but I do know that I love you kind of thing. And it was like, okay, but she could have gone to Yale. So it's yeah, it's well for sixteen years from now. Six So a nearby mister Phoene reminds mister Turner that mid term grades are due next Friday, and Turner says he's thinking of giving giving everyone a's it's just easier. Phoene notices mister Turner's athletic bag and says he was a great squash player back in the day. Mister Turner asks what that has to do with racquetball. Mister Turner says squash and raccketball are almost the same and asks mister Feeney if he wants to play tomorrow, that'll give him enough time to get a doctor's note. Turner tie in this I noticed was is that all you noticed was the turner tie. Did you not also notice the rodeo sized belt he was wearing. No, I did not look like he had one some sort of a contest and he had this giant belt buckle thing on. Yeah, it was very funny. But I notice your wardrobe later kind of starting to look like Tony's. You had the tight in with the belt. Yes, okay. I was like, uh, will probably friends with Tony in real life? Probably, And I bet you they were giving you wardrobe and you were tucking it in and put your belt front and center. I always dressed the way they told me to, like they would write on my thing green shirt, tuck in right, So I never picked out. I just noticed how unbelievably skinny you are. I'm so thin, and I think still getting thinner. I know you really do you? Well, there was you're crossing as the hallway and I was like, this boy turned sideways and he disappears. Yeah, if you're that thin on camera, then you're really thin in person. Yeah, because like that camera, adding ten pounds is no joke. Um Phoenie agrees. The game is on. Laurie comes up behind Eric at his locker and he tries to avoid her. Why just because he can't go out on dates? Is that's not allowed apparently to even look or speak to a person. I know he can still talk to her. It's so think talk about too. I mean she like also she has somebody on back end. She has a plan beat immediately, fine, I'll ask whatever his name was to come in the hot time. It's like, geez, that's yikes. Is high school like that even back in the day? Was it that? Like? No, it's ridiculous this storyline because it's so like it's so like, let's set up a joke where Eric can't have girls. Okay, well how do we make that funny? Oh? The girls are throwing themselves at him, and it's just dumb. It's just like I didn't think it was done. I thought it was. It's like he can't have It's like you're taking away as his toy, Eric's toy, which all they set up for him was girls. Right, so we're gonna take it away from right of course, But again, that's what they've made. That's that's Eric's thing. It's all they have. They've given him one note up until this point. That's one thing girls, that's it. So it's like, all right, now we've we've established that. Now let's take it away for comedy. It's that's all they've got at this point, I know. So it's yeah, that's where I think it's it's two. It's like, well, that's why it's growing, thankfully. That's why that's why I liked this episode so much, because I was like, this is where it starts. This is where all of a sudden, it's going to start getting more Eric, which is what Yeah, so we always said we've been from the beginning of the podcast. We're like, I wonder where we're gonna be able to point to the like this is where it starts, it's this, this is where it started. So I'm happy about that. Yeah, hopefully the notes will be different from this point on. But yeah, no, I agree, it's he's totally one note. It's all he's got. No, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking no, no no, no, no, I'm talking about the character. No, I'm talking about the character too. Though. There they always write to something with girls, that's all it is. Every phone call, every conversation, right, but you can write to that interestingly and I don't. I don't necessarily mind that that's like a major component. This is just one one note storytelling. This is literally like we're going to take away girls and then how do we make that hard or interesting or funny or whatever? And the story it's the it's the b story of let's you know, how do we have some laughs? For five pages? We're having something to do with girls with Eric will make it absurd. He ends up getting his hair done by a pretty girl. It's it is, it's ridiculous, but it's that's what you hatition hair and girls. This is clearly it is. Our writers were sitting back, what do we like? We like getting our hair done? Yes, I know. I felt like this episode told me a lot about how the male writer's thought about getting haircuts. Yep, there's never anything central about I mean, it feels nice, especially when you're getting your hair shampooed. But no, it's not sensual. It's just like a scout massage. Well tell that to the writing staff. I think it's very essential for some people, is it really? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get a name before we leave them Laurie's been doing my hair since I was seventeen. There's nothing sential. She just does my hair. So I don't want to I don't want to call out any days, but I definitely I have a very clear story of a certain person who achieved their first orgasm getting ahead massage and and and it became like a thing like they were there. Then they started basically cheating on their HUD because they would go pay for a head massage and that was how they could someone we know. No, no, okay, okay, too personal. No no, no, okay, that's oh this is like somebody we knew. No, No, this was a this was a woman later in life discovered this thing wow about herself. Okay, interesting, Yeah, Well, Laurie tells him her parents are out of town, and Will squeals and asks if he wants to come over to adjust the temperature of the hot tub. Will squeals again. Eric says if she has any feelings for him, then she should go home and get ugly, and then he bangs his head against his locker. Laurie walks away, and Jason arrives and jokingly tells Eric he heard Eric's signal and came as quickly as he could. Eric says he's going nuts and he can't study because he's just thinking about girls, and he can't go out unless he gets his grades up. As an example of his girl craziness, he thumbs through his book and calls Leonardo da Vinci, a raven haired beauty. Jason says he knows of a dating substitute. Eric tries to ignore it, but then screams, tell me, and then they end up at the hair salon. Jason says his girl dating substitute is a haircut. Eric doesn't understand why until he sees Dominique, the beautiful hairdresser. Eric starts slurring in his name and his overall giggly. Jason says Eric needs a scalp treatment, and Dominique starts to rub his head and Eric is in weirdo heaven. Yeah, I'll say, do you remember this guest actress? I do, I mean vaguely. I remember that she was very funny and that we would sit there and talk a little bit. I mean, not much about her, but she was play off each other so well. Yeah, especially the next scene and the tea. She was very nice. But I just remember this whole scene was kind of like the bigger I went, I was starting to correlate the idea that the bigger I went, the bigger the laugh was. And it was it. That's I was just kind of making these realizations like the jumping over the wall and the last scene and going to tell me, I mean that was all stuff. I think that was like second and third take stuff where I just went bigger with it and bigger with it right, and it was like, oh, this is working, and if I do this, I'm getting bigger laughs and I'm reading it's it's it's when you start to realize that you're in a symbiotic relationship with the audience, or or during during the week at least with the producers and the director, were you know, Oh, if I'm reading them right and then adjusting my performance to what I'm reading, then all of a sudden, we're both getting more out of this than we were if we were just if I'm just in my head as an actor. So it was that this was the episode where I started to listen to the audience, read the audience, what did they like, what is it? What's working? And I just distinctly remember everything kind of being different from me after this episode, So maybe that you're right, You're probably right. It's probably I'm I'm ignoring the negatives and just kind of looking at from a selfish standpoint. Well that and frankly the scenes later are just wasting further. Man, I think the negative is why you came out this way because I think they didn't make you enough. I don't think they wrote a very funny scene, and I think you made it funny and I made you were given the line, you know, Eric walks away then turns around and says tell me or whatever, and you cranked it up to eleven, made it what is a very simplistic turnaround into a very original any moment you're over a ledge, you know. So I think that like maybe I don't remember they wrote sophomorically and you made it funny, and I think that you know, that sealed your fate, which was like, oh we can write, we can rely on this person as an actor, and we can just set up funny situations and Will's going to make them funny. We don't need to, you know, And I think that that's great, Like, but but I think it's because the writing. But there was some note. I mean, I I just think they remember, and we'll get to that at the end. There were there were some things they threw in so and I don't want to take credit for something that I didn't do, So I don't know how much of it was directed, um, and how much of it was notes, and how much of it was me just kind of doing well. That's also another point where worth mentioning he's Jeff McCracken is directing for a friend who went on to direct a lot and become one of our closest friends. So just a change in director for the first time for you ever. I mean, we had the John Tracy and the pilot, but for you, that might have changed your comfort level, you know, whatever reason. He might have had a different rapport with Jeff or a different he might have opened up something or said something that was a suggestion. It's great, absolutely, yeah, that's absolutely possible. Yeah it was. It was interesting though. So then we're in the school cafeteria. New girl alert Bunny asks Corey to help her with English homework and he says he's busy. Corey tells Sean, who is in You're finally in the incredibly iconic Atlas, holding a heart shirt yeah, so what I decided to call it. Yes, you the shirt all the time. I think you wore it more than like any other shirt on the show. And I think maybe you also borrowed it for personal life maybe or maybe you know, got another one. No, it's just it just became the show. I don't know. I mean, I do like the shirt, but it's very christian Ish looking too, and I think that's part of you think that. Okay, I didn't realize that. I literally thought I described it when I said it out loud. I was like, Oh, there's the shirt, and you know, producer Jensen Cart, husband of this podcast, was like, oh, what do we want to call the shirt? And I was like, it's it's Atlas, but instead of the world on his shoulders, he's got a heart on his shoulders. So I didn't associate it with Christianity or a cross or anything. I don't think it actually is Christian, but from in my mind, like when whenever I think about him, like it has kind of a vague league well, because his arms are up, it does kind of look like Jesus on a cross, but I actually legs crossed the way that Jesus like the same way too. Maybe I feel like it's the weight of the world, way of this heart, the wheat exactly the weight of the bleeding heart, which is actually very appropriate for Sean. That's why I think it. Yeah. So, Corey tells Sean, who is in his iconic Atlas shirt, that the fifth girl from their class to ask him for help, and Sean asks Corey if he's clueless. They don't want help with homework. They want Corey, Sean says, because he's off the market, girls want him more. Corey says he's been with Wendy for a week, and Shawan says, to break up a week is too long. Suddenly she'll start waiting outside his class. She'll know his schedule, and eventually she'll even ask what he's doing this summer break up? Break up and me with the soda can get Coca Cola for the first time. Yeah, my friend soda can acting sa Corey nervously responds, what a loser, uh? And then we are into mister Turner's classroom. Sean asks Cory if he's had the breakup. And then we're into mister Turner's classroom. Sean asks Corey if he has the breakup note and Corey says he does. He just wants to wait for the perfect time. Sean says she knows the breakup is coming. She h, she probably wants it even more than he does. But then Wendy walks in and gives Corey the gift of sucks. Mister Turner reads some poems the students turned in and starts with Shawn's poem called Welfare, Shawn's first poem. Yes, I know, I'm guessing you didn't write this one at this point. This one wasn't yours. But I just didn't realize that we had already done. I think this is our second poetry. Yeah, you know, because we did the whole poetry reading and now uh And I was like, well, Keith's character is into poetry. We've mentioned that before, so it's not you know, we have had the poetry reading, and then we have another character who's into poetry. And now this is Sean's first poem. We hear, um, it is all about things Sean's family buys with their welfare checks. And that's when Corey hands Wendy the breakup. Noel, I should I read the poem of your counsel? I thought, and I thought, Ben I thought Ben was was really good in the scene too, which just like they you need the Nope, I can't I get the nope? Can I get the note back? I know? Very good. Uh So, when Corey hands Wendy the breakup note, mister Turner pulls out Wendy's poem from the pile and it is called leave me and I'll die Die. Corey starts the panic and asks her for the note back, but Wendy reads the note instead of handing it back, and then she storms out crying. Mister Turner asks what happened, and Corey says they drank a lot of tea during lunch, and Corey runs out after her in an enormous button down. This is the biggest shirt it's so ever seen. Yeah, it's on a person in my life. It makes him look like he's this tall because it goes down to his knees, basically huge. It is enormous. Yes, he looks like a kindergartener in a smock. Yes he does. It's crazy. I was like, I don't know why, but like it made Corey feel like a little little boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course he looked very small and its yeah because otherwise that it does in the next scene is pretty awful, Like he basically just lies to her and gaslights her. Obviously we're watching that going like but if I take it from like, oh, he's a sweet little boy just trying to get out of being in trouble, it's cute. I also though one of the things I thought was like, he does actually exhibit signs of liking Wendy, even though there are some of the things that are shocking about her asking about the summer and him saying, well, let's just see how spring goes it. Truly is peer pressure from Sean that makes him want to break up, and that's what I wish he said. That's why can't you just say that? He's like, I'm so sorry, I do want to be in a couple with you. I just did it because of Sean. End of scene. But it's lies to her and says, should not let me change the note in front of you. I just wrote it, which is a complete lie and a bad argument. And then we're supposed to buy that she buys that, like it was like she wants to buy it, wants it could have been so much easier, Like I'm sorry, I actually just was listening to Sean, and she would have rolled her eyes and been like, Okay, I still want to be with you too, Right, we still have the storyline. It would have been great but right, and it would actually be a real wonderful lesson in how to be honest and difficult circumstances for a kid like Yes, but this episode ends up going in anyway, which is right, you know, like, yeah, I know, I do wish he just said I'm really sorry. I actually really like you. I think you're moving a little fast, but I felt peer pressure to break up with you. I'm not right. I don't want to do that either, you know, get right here. Especially that just makes Corey too self aware too quickly. Yeah, so it's got to be the idea that you instantly go to, no girl crying with you, you know that kind of thing where if he's already knows that, it's like, well I was because of peer pressure, and I really want to be with it. It's just he's not Corey, you know. It's like he's got to do something stupid and then find Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So then we're in the school hallway, Corey says he's sorry to Wendy, he didn't mean what he wrote. Wendy questions that and reads the note that just says I think we should break up, and Corey writes should not on the paper and says they should stay together. They hug, and Wendy says, I hope our kids turn out as sensitive as you, and Corey says, are what? And then we're in the Matthews living room. Corey, entering with Shawn, says he didn't break up with Wendy, but he's going to call her and do it. He just needs a couple of days to think things over, and he makes his way into the math use kitchen, where we see Wendy cook. Yes, and we get another great gasp from you guys, and you're in the jacket. Yeah, I've reclaimed ye initially yours. I mean, it's so funny to see how something like this gasp functions, right, because when you have a beat like this, you could put it into every context, like, because every sitcom is going to have a moment where you see something you didn't expect and you freak out about it. So the second you find one of these that work, like, I'm so curious how long this is gonna last? Because it's obviously became a thing for at least two. There is our second time, and then I know we did it at least Oh, I think doesn't this go all the way through the I think Guylate World we did on Girl Meates World. Yeah, this is yeah, I think this goes. I think this is here to stay. Yeah wow, yeah, such a such a simple and valuable beat. Right, it's just laugh because you're always setting up something like that, like one the world could possibly be behind that door. Yeah that's great. Yeah. Well, Wendy is making the Matthews dinner tonight, and we stay in the Matthew's kitchen, the family with Lily. Lily's there, she's now. They're all having dinner, and Alan compliments Amy on the scalllet potatoes, which she says Wendy whipped up from scratch when she found out they were Corey's favorite. Corey says they should invite Wendy to move in and be one. They could all be one big, happy potato eating family. Wendy says she doesn't just make potatoes, she can also make Belgian waffles. Corey is suddenly impressed and asks with whipped cream and strawberries. Wendy says her grandmother makes them for her grandfather and they've been together for sixty six years, which Corey, who is now creeped out again, responds, I'm on an emotional roller coaster. I loved Ben in the scene. Yeah, I loved Ben in this I remember this scene. Do you guys remember it? Like I remembering run through? I remember them discovering all of them? Am I not in this episode? Not in the side in this episode? Yeah. The second I saw this scene, I was like, oh my god, Like I remember this scene coming to life and Rusty and Ben, you know, Rusty deciding to keep the food on his four floor went outside. Yeah, all of that was discovered during the week of rehearsal, and it was just glorious. It was like, yeah, this is it's such a funny scene and all the dynamics and Ben, you know, the flip flopping and it was just so good. Like I never remember I remember what the second I saw it was like, yeah, I remember sitting there watching the scene develop and loving it. You know. Yeah. I thought Ben was great. I thought Rusty was great. It was yeah, really really good. Yeah. Eric walks in with Jason and asks Jason if Dominique has an opening for tomorrow. Alan asks where they've been, and Eric blurts out, I can get as many haircuts as I want. Amy starts to tell Wendy who Eric and Jason are, but she interrupts and says Corey has told her all about them. She then tells Amy she hopes her and Corey's three kids turn out just as wonderful as Amy's. Alan question, and Wendy, so you've decided to have three kids? She says she wants to keep the tradition alive because both her and Corey are one of three. Corey turns quickly to Alan and sarcastically says, what do you think of that? Gramps? Little asides here were just so good? I know I loved it. I loved it. It's got like his hand in his hair? So what do you think of that? Group? Like? That was so good? So Alan pulls Corey into the backyard and just says nutcase. Corey says, you think, and then they head back inside the kitchen. Alan asks Wendy if she thinks they can have three kids on Corey's five dollars a week allowance, but Wendy says no, not yet. They still have a lot of growing up to do. Morgan asks if Wendy will be her sister someday when they get married, and Wendy says, you betcha, and then Amy says that's so sweet. Alan realizes that Wendy has all the women on her side. Morgan and Wendy then go upstairs to play, and Alan asks what the heck Corey brought home, But then Corey points to Amy and says she lets she let her in. Amy says she's just a little girl playing house and if there was anything to be concerned about, she would be the first one to sound the alarm. Wendy walks back downstairs with a picture of Amy and her wedding dress and says she hopes she'll get to try it on one day. Amy then looks at Alan and makes the beeping alarm sound. But see, this is why I think that we could have been a better question that yeah, that Wendy asked, because I agree. I think the implication is like, oh, because now she's asking about her wedding dress, it's over steppy, but that's still a little girl playing They wanted to make it really absurd. Yeah, she literally should have come to the top of the stairs in Amy's wedding bigs. You're right, that would have been amazing. I found this, Yeah, like I found this in your closet, Like okay, you're going through my closet, like right, But like the fact that she saw her in her wedding dressing was you know, still playing house. It could have been bigger. Yeah, yeah, her coming, her revealing the like, that would have been amazing somehow having the actual wedding dress I really would have taken it to a great, a great spot. But she also then may have needed to be gone for a little longer than that. The scene girl drags on forever, But man, it really would be so funny. See. Yeah, I think there's a better question too, like a more psychotic question that would make Amy go, okay, this is this is more than just a girl playing dress right, but like wanting to wear the dress for the wedding is exactly a little girl I know, play dress up. Yeah, agreed, Well, then we're back in the school hallway. Mister Turner puts down his athletic bag, tired and says he didn't think mister Feenie would be so good at racketball, he was a hustler. Mister Feenie is proud of himself and takes money from mister Turner on the bet he won. Mister Feenie leaves and jokingly says he doesn't shoot pool either, which I thought Bill was so great readings of all time. It's also Bill's real laugh, like, yeah, that little like I'm trying not to laugh, but I'm laughing. I can't controcte he does that in life, and it was so fun to see him sort of breaking as Fioenie into his real laugh. And absolutely this moment stood out to me as like Bill Daniel's Yeah, but those are the moments we would occasionally get with Bill. Yes, like you'd every once in a while be like that was just pure Bill, and that was I have to say this, and I I'm upset with myself that I have to say this, because I love all of our background actors. They're phenomenal. But I'm now seeing the same seven people in every hallway, in every Chubbies everywhere I know. But it's a high school. There's supposed to be thousands of people there, and it's now like every scene they're featuring the same three people behind. Yeah, because they're good. No one's question, ain't it eight? But it's like no one watching at home was ever like I'm so sick of see. But it definitely right after another, and we know that we're like, there's Jessica, there's Yours is just constantly scanning and recording everything. I love. Yes, you know it's that terminator vision that you have. Yeah, exactly, Will's Will, Will's glass eye perception. Boy is just on target, telling you so. Corey tells Sean what happened at his house with Wendy and that he tried to break up with her when he walked her home, but then she invited him in for cookies and Grandma Jansen played the organ and we all sang big Rock Candy Mountain. Corey says she has four generations in her house and the men don't say much. Sean says he'll come back and get Corey after class, and as he walks away, a frozen Corey says, yes, dear, I'm very happy. I thought this was a very well done transition into all of this, all of this from here on out. I just love also that Corey doesn't like his succumbing to it. Is the problem like that he just okay, Yeah, I'm just this is it. This is my life now forever. It's a great choice and very unusual right to have a character sort of get out of his situation by not He doesn't dig himself deeper by doing more. He doesn't digs himself deeper by just okay. And yet that's the thing that turns her eventually, you know, when he's finally like, no, I'm just gonna be honest with you about why what I thought now that we're together forever? I thought it was super clever. Yeah it is. So then we enter a Corey dream sequence. Corey and Wendy are old together sitting at Chubbies now called Minnel's, and they did the most bare minimum to try and make you think it was anything other than Chubbies. Just minimum. But I also kind of like, if it's his fantasy, the only restaurant he can think of is Chubbies. I know, That's what I'm saying. It's like he can picture and they so they just literally like call it something else and sprinkle some few a few things. So Corey is stealing the dinner rolls, and we get they want the first time he comes back. Yes, Oh my god, this scene is just iconic. Corey wearing a wedding ring I was looking to see if they put one on him is cranky. So Wendy goes and gets prunes for him again. I love that. That's she knows him so well. She knows he's constipated. She knows his schedule every time. Did they do the makeup like? They also gave her a body? I know, like they completely modified her. Hips are all sticky. Yeah, the makeup was really good. The makeup was really good. I don't love the makeup on her, but yeah, her it looked a little like but then in me the makeup is hysterical. Oh yeah, they did a really good job about her. Her body suit. It's just oh my god. So then old Sean comes down and yees, Corey, is that you? Corey says. Sean knows he goes there every day at four thirty for the Early Bird Special, and he always asks if it's him. Corey says he has always envied Sean because he's dated a bunch of women and he's been married to Wendy for ninety years. They can barely hear each other, and eventually coreyells they watched The Iron three times? Writer, you and I crying with how's the fish nice? It was we we were howling at your reading. It was so we had fun, so much fun with the scene. I just remember loving this was just like this is just kid acting gold because every kid loves to be an old person, every kid loves to imitate old people, and so we just did like we thought this was hysterical, and I remember Ben and I just having so much fun and like I have nothing and then to realize that it was also Jeff McCracken's first episode is great because I know that that also infused a new energy and you gave us more freedom in new ways, you know, just a different person. It wasn't we love, but was just different. But no, it was like I think, you know, when you have a new director and they're saying I want you to try something different, you know, or just have a different flavor, you suddenly adjust your game and to a certain degree. And I feel like Ben and I just had so much fun like this, it's the funniest thing we had ever done, and we were having so much fun doing it, and dare I say it might be the funniest thing you guys have done to this point. I mean, it really is. It's just so funny. It's really funny. It's really funny, and it's it's still right in line with the Korey and Seawan relationship. It's exactly how I would envision old Korey and old Shan to be. It's it really is very well done and it's so funny. I also love how they've been together. Did he say married or together for ninety years? I think he says married for an idear okay, so then ly so essentially he's supposed to be like a hundred and twenty years old. So Sean says that he is jealous of corey situation. But then Sean sees a young woman and he leaves Lue. Yeah. Wendy returns with bruns and asks Corey if he missed her, and he says she hasn't been out of his sight for ninety years. She asks if it's been that bad. Corey says no and thanks Wendy for giving him a beautiful life and nice socks. He reveals the socks from mister Turner's class that she gave him earlier ninety years ago. Apparently, and he says he's never taken them off. Mister Finnie walks over as the waiter and tells Corey to empty his pockets of the dinner rolls and everything else he's stealing. He tried to steal the sweet and lows again, seeing Bill who I loved that in the before I realized what was happening. Hasn't aged at all, exactly the same. He's exactly the same. I love that. And then we are snapped back to reality. In the school hallway, mister Finnie is yelling at Corey to wake up from his dream and get to class. Corey says he's late. His wife is going to be so upset and takes off, and then we go back. One of my favorites has been throwing all the Sweeten Mows on the table and saying I thought things well. First he tries to say he wasn't taking the Sweeten Low, No, I don't, and then he's like, yes, he do. When he pulls them all out, he literally stick it out of his sweater. Liked everything good. It is so funny. So then we're at Chubby's. Corey gets himself and Wendy burgers without cheese and no red meat, just the way she told him is healthy for him. It's just rolls. Corey, who seems pretty happy now, says when he first asked Wendy out, it was just a date for the party, not a long lasting relationship. But he's pleasantly into this. And then Wendy looks hurt and says it's over because she doesn't want their relationship to be based on a lie and it's not something she wants to be a part of. Corey asks about their three kids, and she says it's not important if it's not something they both want. Sean walks up just as Wendy leaves and finds out Corey is now a free man again and they should go out with some twins like you. But Corey says he's not going to go because he misses Wendy. Dramatic music. Yeah, I like ending on this, bizarrely said yes, because it's like Corey has invested his imagination and his commitment in this, in this girl, and it's like he's going to miss her, like he's going to know no matter what. He put some time into it, some thought, and that's what said. I thought that was great, So the loud room for that. Yeah, I liked it. I liked it too. I thought it was very it was very sweet and the fact that you know, he was wearing the socks and I don't know, it's it's I loved it. And I also, like, you know, things don't always end on a happy note, and it's nice to acknowledge that. But it's just also, like, you know, it would have been so easy to keep the nutcase line going, to keep making son of Wendy or that she's the problem or she's the weirdo, like, yeah, she's not that bad. She's just again a little girl kind of you know. And then and he got something out of it too, like he learned and maybe missus her. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was sweet. And then we're in the tag in the hair salon. Eric tells Dominique it's over, but she said he can't. He's in the book for today. Eric starts to argue and says what they did was wrong and he has to leave with his head dry. Dominique says no one has to know, but then she says she's angry and has to be very rough with him. Then he caves and gets another scout massage. I do not understand what's happening, and I don't either. What is going on? Why do you have to break up with her? I'm breaking up with her goal because breaking up with her because it's I'm I imagine in my head it was like I'm essentially seeing prostitute. Yes, because I'm paying money every week? Right, But so are your grades back up? And now you want to start dating other women? And so you feel like you have to leave her because why would you not just keep this going? I think it's a money Yeah, okay, you remember he needed five dollars that one week, So my guess is a good haircut in Philly at that time, we're talking sixty seventy bucks. You can't come on, I can't. I think it's hysterical dynamic. I think it's weird, right, yeah, I love it it. But it's the two of you in this scene that really makes it work. Like it's just the performances. Keep you know that she's you know, it's always fun to watch somebody try and get somebody else to do or stop doing something. You know, that's just the essence such a conflict. I think the absurdity that you guys are that you were taking this so seriously and that she's going to manipulate you and say whatever it takes to get that haircut. It's just it's fun. I agree. Fun. I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't a funny scene. I just am like there was no mention of like, I can't do this, it's cost it's I'm so invested, I can't it's expensive, Like there's no there's I'm just I kept waiting for there to be. I guarantee you in an early draft there was, and they just threw it out because funny girl together and it was funny. And yeah, yeah, because where does Jason go? You know, like, yeah, he could have no need to have Jason in this episode at all. It was like, well he introduces the idea of getting a hair somebody else could have done that though, I mean there's easier ways to do it, where it's like Jason was just kind of wasted. But it was fun and ridiculous, and yeah, he's always gonna I mean, he's your sidekick when it comes to the girls storylines. So yeah, that seems to be maybe maybe that's the thing is when they stopped with the Girls, storylines is when they stopped with Jason, because yeah, it's like now Eric just becomes absurd, so you didn't really need that anymore. Well, and I do think that some of that is also like what we've talked about before, where it's like a likability for even families to be like, well, Eric has to be a good boy. He wouldn't know about this hairdresser who was the bad influence who brings in the hairdresser for him. Yeah, they tried to bring in the Eddie Haskell kind of character. So yeah. Interesting. Well, thank you guys for joining us for this episode of Pod Meats World. 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