Rennae & Petko From The Championships

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Speaker 1: Exaccurate, right and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, welcome to the Renine Stubs Tennis Podcast. Do you want to use your mic THEFDG?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I thought you would just put it there for me, so I have.

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Speaker 2: To roll down here. We are here, we are everybody. We are on site. Literally, we are in the players lounge and we are looking at the beautiful grounds of the Old England Club. If you haven't been here, please make it up on your Bucke list.

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Speaker 1: I have to say not, although it still looks beautiful. But the combination of no advertising and no lines people now.

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Speaker 2: Is weird, so weird to me.

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Speaker 1: Really, in the beginning, I didn't understand why it looks so weird to me, and then I realized it. I think no advertising and no lines people look strange. Well, you do realize that there's always been no advertising, right, No this on you. But I think the combination, well without.

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Speaker 2: The Ralph Lauren on the in the back, with all the yeah yeah yeah. But the funny thing is, when you think about it, the courts here are not very big, which is kind of like I think they did it in a lot of ways now that we're thinking about it. Because everyone served in volley on grass back in the day, so you didn't need a lot of backstop. So and really, if you're back that far, you shouldn't be playing on grass because either way you're in trouble. Clearly, Caught one, Center Court, Caught two, Caught three have bigger courts, but all the outside courts, so the linesmen often would get in the way and you're like, you would be like looking at them, like move, I'm running there, and you'd like run into the back fence. So in actual fact, it makes the court slightly bigger, which is helpful in some ways.

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Speaker 1: And what about so qurt one you mentioned a qurd one center cards? What have you heard? How do the courts play? Because it used to be Court one players would say plays slower than center cards.

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Speaker 2: What have you heard?

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Speaker 1: Some have said it's been really slow, But then I didn't really know because grass is such an organic surface that the crazy heat of the first two, yeah, maybe that had something to do with it, and not really the surface. Because England goes into a shock state when there's it's above eighty or above thirty depending on where you live, exactly above thirty and.

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Speaker 2: You're ninety, they definitely lose their mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, when it snows, I will see you one snows.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about Wimbledon.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna snow, I know, but I will see a one time playing a challenge in like November, and literally three snowflakes fell down. They shut the airport down for eight days.

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Speaker 2: You used to like crappy weather here, especially snow.

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Speaker 1: But I thought, no, I don't. I don't think they get so much snow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, well, now that we've talked about all this stuff that we did, nobody care the top. But that's typical of you and me. And read Petgo's substack, by the way, that she just wrote, because it's kind of awesome and funny. But let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about so much.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the women to start and the upsets we've already had. In particular jess Pagoula yesterday was that that was a shocker, although Cocchiaretto played awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Who I spoke to, but I spoke to somebody for I don't know if it was directly from Jessic's camp or somebody around here, but somebody told me yesterday that Cocearetto played the match of her.

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Speaker 2: Like no, no, she didn't miss. And they play very very similarly. They hug the bass line. They don't want to give the base line up, which is very important on grass. And every time Jesse had a good ball that was sort of deep and strong, which would push a lot of players, particularly taller players back off the baseline, Cochiarettos like getting her knees down and sort of like almost using almost half following it back into the open court. And Jess was like Jesus, like she wasn't used to think about it. She just played eagishan Tak in the final. It was a good match. She was pushing eager back a little bit more than Conciaretta. I think Cociretto's balance and like her knee bend and all the little things like that really helped her. And she served well, I mean just had you know, attitude wasn't great and sometimes you have to adjust. I think she tried to in some regards, but gotcha, Retto was the better player in the end, and I don't know did it catch up with her, Jess winning so quickly and then coming here Maybe I don't know, how do you feel about it?

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think physically. I think she's such a fit player and most of them. I don't think it's physically, but I do think you get this kind of emotional tiredness. And granted they are used to these tennis players. I used to it, but I think we've seen it here a lot. There are a lot of players that have been burned out, that look burned out that I've talked about being burned out. There are so many tournaments on the schedule. We've talked about it plenty of times. And I did think that emotionally because when you get because Jess is usually calm, Yes, she's sometimes gestures and you see it on her face if you know her well that she's not happy, but she rarely ever shows outward emotion. You could see a lot in her yesterday, particularly after being a set.

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Speaker 2: Thing about the her rackets, her strings.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I usually don't see that from her, and I think that those are typically signs for being emotionally and mentally tired. Yes, yeah, I mean listen, I don't think it was physically.

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Speaker 2: No, No, she said her knee was fine, she had it taped up, but it wasn't taped. It was kinesiology tape, which is a little bit different, right, It's not quite as that's not aggressive. That's kind of almost like trying to just help the muscles relax or fire or trigger. So yeah, I mean that was the surprise, and then.

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Speaker 1: I mean the biggest surprise on the on the women's term. I'm sorry because if you look at it.

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Speaker 2: Was so wide open for Paola, Oh my god, yes, yes, so.

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Speaker 1: But if you look on the women's side on the upset, on the upsets that we've had most of them, you could kind of predict. I predicted but Doosa would go out against Balter? She did. I kind of expected GoF to struggle early. I didn't know if it was already in the first round or in the third against Cannon, but I thought that this was going to be hard for her, just because she didn't have so much time to prep and I was in the Berlins Open organizing team. I know that she had arrived on Tuesday, playing on Thursday, when you know these things, yeah, or Monday, let's say Monday night. You know that she had so many obligations after the French Open, I don't know how much time she had to practice to get ready mentally ready into the next day and into the next such a big event on the calendar, and it's just hard to do. It's so packed the calendar. I really don't know how these consistent guys do it, like Saballenka, like singer, like Alcara, and even al Choras almost stumbled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean listen, Alcaraz is winning and going to Abitha for a few days. It's a little close to the London. Yeah, I mean, you know, goes back in, going back to New York and then coming back again. And look, do I think she lost because of that? And she sort of said and pressed that she would probably approach things differently. I don't think that was the issue. Like I think you could look at it. I think that certainly didn't contribute, maybe because she didn't have the prep that she needed on grass. And I think that's definitely possible that she didn't quite have the prep she wanted and have the you know, the enough practice or matches practice matches on grass and all this. But I think this just came down to match up Pepco. I think if she I think if she plays a Cochiuretta as well as Cochiuretto played. I don't think she would have liked Coco's game like she liked Jess's game. Jess hits the ball really flat and hard, right into her hands right, because she's smaller at in stature, ball comes into a hitting zone. You have to always think about matchups. If Coco plays Petrick Avitova right, who's maybe noted at her best, and she's serving the ball to Coco's back end, Coco's getting removing, Coco probably wins that match, right when you think about Yestremska, this is the biggest worst matchup for Coco in the first round. Now, if Coco was confident coming in on Grass, I still think that's a really hard matchup. What does your Stemsku do? She's the one two three maximum punch player, Bang with the return, bang with the second shot, serve plus one. She's not going to a type of person that's going to rally for six or seven like Pagola. Probably has a better chance against a Eustropskun right because she's going to get that one ball with heaviness, back, harder and Ytromsk's ability to maybe hit five great shots, very rare, two or three very good. Right, so you've got two problems. Coco's fourhand on clay, it gets up high, it gets out of people's hitting zones. It's difficult, right, She has time to run balls down on clay, she has time to frustrate. Like she wouldn't lose to Yes Stromskir on clay she was three and oh and I had and lost a set six love against her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but recently, and that was very similar because I called both matches. I called the match yesterday and the one in Madrid, and it was very similar where and I honestly thought Coco was going to turn it around. And at first set there was this moment, Yes Stromskar was up five to two. Yeah, but in Madrid was very similar. Y Stremscar came out one, two, three punches so flat, so powerful, and it helps in Madrid because it's a little altitude, so it's faster exactly. And Coco was just overwhelmed by the piece there was coming at her. And then you could see you while the match progressed, she got more and more comfortable, made one extra shot, extended the rallies. That's what it's now in the end it was just yes Stramscar missing and the important.

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Speaker 2: Which guess what happened at the final of the French Open, same thing, right, Sabalanca comes out on fire up for one. Then Coco gets back to four all, and then you start to see the anxiety changes with Sabalanka. Sabalanka starts realizing, oh, I got to hit it one inch from the sideline, not two or three feet from the sideline. Yestremscar on grass and on clay was probably thinking the same thing. Oh my god, she's getting it back. Now I have to get close to the line. I have to take more risks. But on grass you don't have to take as much risk because if you hit the ball on your forehand at ninety miles an hour on grass and it's into the open court, I don't care how fast you are. So hard to get Coco is the fastest plan onto it. You're not getting to that ball now. On clay, you're getting to that ball and it's going to come back, and then you're going to take more risk and you're going to miss, which is why Coco beats people on clay. On grass, her forehand is short, they can go one to point as over and there's nothing Coco can do. Now Is she going to start striking the forehand bigger? Okay, maybe, but that's not her game. So my thinking is she should have been chipping. She should have been playing ugly when Yoshianska hits the serve to her forehand, rather than try and crush the forehand. Because by the way, now you're out of court and she's going to go bang into the open court and you're not going to be able to run it down. Chip it back, make it ugly, quite ugly, chip it below the net. You know your streams is not quite comfortable coming in, like you have to have game plan B. And that wasn't the case. And her first serve percentage was what fifty three percent?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't great. She had a lot of double You could tell that her was off on the surf, but why is the rhythm off? Yeah it was. Yeah, she was just getting stressed that she was just being taking time away from I think with Coco, I agree with you to a certain extent. I said it from the get go. I think she should chip the return at because Estramska kept serving the same serve over and over again. The wide slice low one and Coco kept missing fourhands into the net. I think she should have chipped that. But to be fair, when she was down five to two, she started hitting. We I called the match. We had the hawk eye statistics. She started hitting the ball bigger. She went up by six miles an hour and taking more on average, taking more risks, and the whole match changed. And she should have probably won that first set because Yes, streamscal was overwhelmed. She didn't. Yes, streams Cup played an incredible tie break. It reminded me of the I don't know if you saw the no well dead, but I don't know if you saw the first set Rinda Knesh against her fibreak. Rinda Knesh was like to get just out of his ass, and it reminded me of that. That was just too good. And I thought, now, but Cocoa now has the she got the hang of it. You know, she got the hang. She has to put a bit on it. But it wasn't like out of swords. And so I do think that that messed her up in a way because she never got the idea to starting to play ugly because it worked from that stretch of being down five two to getting back to five. Oh yeah, but I think there was a problem.

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Speaker 2: You also have to be you also have to recognize when your opponent gets a bit tight as well. Okay, so five two up, now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, I'm going to win the set, So you get a little bit tight as well. If you're strength scut, maybe you stop going for it and taking the risk because you're like, oh, I'm winning, just you know, make them play. I don't know what was going through her head as well. But also when it got to, you know, the tie break in those situations, that's where I think Coco may have double folded the first point on her serf. Like, the reason she's double folding is because she's clearly not getting the first serve and she's lost a rhythm. But also the second serve was always going to be a problem. I was going to do this lead up for the match for ESPN. The two things that are concerning for Coco on grass are the shortness of her forehand and the height of her forehand, which is great on clay, but grass it's just sitting there in the hitting zone. And her second serve it's very predictable and EU Strengthska has a huge forehand, and I thought, if you're not hitting on a huge return, she leaves massive and so immediately off of the serve, Coco is stressed. So your strengthsker served. Well, it's one thing that goes off on her sometimes it's the second serve.

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Speaker 1: And she did serve the three double files when she was serving for the first set exactly, so sort of reeled it back in exactly.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I give her a lot of credit the first set, so I thought she was going to lose it when it came back to five and a really good game there. But it's more along the lines of Coco has to recognize also, ge like this girl's strength is going for the return. I've got to get at least get a first serve in here before and not put myself under pressure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that I think she knew that because all of her double files usually her double files are kind of everywhere, every single one, And I do think that she The reason for that was that she tried to keep it low because Esska likes it a little bit high. That's why she likes playing Coco's.

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Speaker 2: Forehand on grass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I did think there was a tactical understanding in it. Unfortunately it went badly for her because they landed mostly on the net. But I did think that that's what she was trying to do. And just as an added as an added perspective, I looked up the winning quota for Yes Gemsky and she's a lot higher on grass than on any other surfaces. Yes, which under underline what you just said. Yeah, because she is a one three one two three punch player and on the other surfaces, the longer the rarely goes, the more erratic she becomes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And her game is very similar to to a not a sabl Anka Sablinka will chip and throw in some spin and all that. So it's kind of like an Amanda Anissa Mova or on a Vickage type who's just really hitting the ball hard and flat all the time, and they don't have a lot of margin. And that's why when I saw the draw, I went, oh shit, that is a terrible draw, Coco, because she, let's face it, she beating someone six love in a set. You know that they're coming after you. Yeah, And you know, one grass when it's your worst surface and your forehand, which is your worst shot, is going to be so much more difficult to play on grass against a ball that is coming at you at ninety miles an hour. It was just so I talk about, Yeah, could she have had more time prepar preparing, Could she had more matches in Berlin? Sure, But I think this comes down to straight up a bad matchup.

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Speaker 1: Bad matchup. I think in the end it's always a combination. Maybe if she had had a bit more time on grass, maybe she would have felt more comfortable to take the first set, and maybe she would have had the clarity to play ugly when it to manage most. But the combination of I haven't maybe played as much as I wanted on grass, the other one is not giving me any time to think clearly, and she's playing clearly well. She's played the final in Nottingham and I think the Semis and Esbourne, so she came in winning a lot of conscios. So it's not only it's not the yestremscut that can go off and lose five first rounds, which we know, I mean, terrible combination.

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Speaker 3: For two years you she qualified the coach's bags. This my new guy, That's right, he's back and he's giving her. So you talked about you touched on it briefly. Yes, Stremska is mentally not mentally I want to say, emotionally not quite stable off. Yeah, she's absolutely and he gives her that emotional stability. He's there, he keeps yelling at her, he instills that intensity and he clearly helps her. It was with him that she made the Australian Open semifinals. He's back and she had a huge upset.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Cocoa wasn't at her best, but yes s Trem's Cup played an almost perfect match except from that five to two to five all stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And you know, I do think that Coco. You know, she looked up at her box in the second set and was like what do I do? What do I do? You've got to be able to have a game plan B and c.

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Speaker 1: That was That's the only thing. Now the German I've been commentating in Germany. It's really hard in English.

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Speaker 2: The good thing is I know what that.

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Speaker 4: Means, you know, goodhine.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the only thing she could have done is maybe make things so ugly and see what happens. Yeah, other than that, I do think that it was on yes, Jam's class record, and I'll credit to her she took it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree to her. You know, even the last couple of game. I think the one game the match point either. But what I have to say the four one, okay, it was the second four one. I was in the stadium. I actually went and watched the match live. I wanted to see it live because I wasn't working last night. I'd finished on ESPN and the four one game in the second set, I said to everyone, this is not over your Strengthsier was serving and I said, if she can break here and then hold it four three, the pressure and we know one of the issues with your stremscut is the serf. It can go off because her technique is not great and it's very discombobulated, and if you get nervous, it's not good. Her good thing is for her when she gets tired, it goes to the forehand, which is to Coco's weakness. But the first point at four one, she hits such a slow first serve to Cocos foehand, and Coco won the point and played a really good point, super aggressive, and I was like, oh shit, I said, if you're Coco, you have to see that. You have to see that your opponent's just rolled the first serve in right, and Coco won the point. Next point, average serve, Coco misses the return and I'm like, I think on a backhand and I'm like, oh my god, no, like you have to make her play now, make her beat you now. Right next point, I think a missed return. It was the forehand return and I'm like, and it wasn't even good, serf. And I was like, oh no, Like that's where you have to maybe go ugly.

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Speaker 1: I know, but this will now come from somebody that can identify with Coco a lot more than you, because because I fucking hated grass. I hated playing on grass, and it's so interesting. The one thing that I could do, no matter when you wake me up, was return. I could make returns. I would like, if I got my record on it, I would make on grass.

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Speaker 2: Fucking not.

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Speaker 1: I would always miss them into the net. It was so difficult, and your grip was not extreme, but it was.

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Speaker 2: It was semi western.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not as Loco at all. But for some reason it was so and that's why I didn't play well on grass because technically, once I get in the rally, I can't play on grass, you know, But I just was My surf was not a huge bomb, so I had to play more rallies than others, and my big strength to return what I made up for for my not great serf was gone on grass because I made so many return mistakes that I never would make. And I think Coco feels similar. I don't know what it is for her, obviously, because I'm not in her body, but I can identify with it because Cocoa usually makes every return she gets.

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Speaker 2: A record on.

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Speaker 1: Even on the shore, yes she can miss on the forehand, but usually on the slower surfaces she gets she gets many many returns. Yeah, true, true, And for some reason, on grass it's so horrible.

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Speaker 2: Well, and also she knew I can't just kind of averagely because she is literally going to take the next ball and just jam it into the opening and crush it. So I think it's a combination of just everything, all right. So I mean, other than those two kind of everything's moving on Coupit of her has now retired. It was a good win for Navarro just because it was never going to be in an easy sort of matchup knowing you're playing Petra, but h and everyonething else is kind of smoothly going along with Jico. I was nice to see her get through that first round. Look, she's had a lot of injury. She's there was it was, you know, come off of finals in Eastbourne. So so good to see that everything, everything else is kind of moving right along. The men's Wow, it's very about again.

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Speaker 1: Did you see his press conference? No, oh, you didn't, breaking the news.

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Speaker 2: Break the news to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was really interesting. So there were two press conferences, obviously, one in English, one in German, and.

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Speaker 2: He said, is he more honest in German?

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Speaker 1: It was similar. It was really interesting because and it's funny because I just see two German journalists who were conducting the German press conference. They are just in front of us. So he said that he feels very alone right now, and that's interesting. Yeah, that he doesn't really have anything that makes him happy. Winning doesn't make him as happy as it used to be. The only thing that makes him happy, that's a party set in German is his daughter, his four year old, but he doesn't see her, He can't see her that much, and so it's been very difficult for him to find happiness outside of the court. And there was one occasion in the fourth set where it was so he was down two sets to one, four set tiebreak, it's five all, so he has a second serve, and I said, already, you saw that, and he had already served a few double faults and important moments. Vere F, I'm talking about zaf He has a second serf, So this point we'll decide whether it's set point for Zverev or match point. And Zverev serves one hundred and thirty seven mile per hour second serve and HiT's peltically, yeah, down the tee and hits an ace and later not an ace but a serviceman, and later he said, you know when I hit that surf, yeah, that looks great. But I just didn't care. If I had hit a double fault, I wouldn't have cared that I would have been match point down. So basically, in conclusion, it was along the lines of being burned out. What we just talked about. What we saw with a lot of being burned out, lacking motivation, not really finding the joy in the game, and we've seen that with a lot of players and I really think the organizations will have to change something around the schedule. And we see that more and more frequently. And I know you don't like CERF, that's like, that's okay, but I think that I think that's.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the former or the stuff that's been reported, but you know.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's a it's a common theme.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: We heard were sorry about it in Madrid, we heard Carlos talk about it after the Miami and also.

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Speaker 2: Not only Carlos talk about it. I don't know if you've watched his Netflix special, but he talks about it quite openly, like a couple of years ago, when all the expectation and the pressures and finding the joy and he has to play with joy and all that sort of stuff. And you know, I don't think people realize that this is a really, really tough life. You know, you're on the road all the time, you don't see anyone's and it's stress and it's pressure all the time. Every time you walk on the tennis court or go on to the practice cord or all this sort of stuff, all you're thinking about is tennis and matches and winning and losing. And it's very, very mentally taxing, and listen, I'm going to compare it to somebody who goes to work every day and it is like trying to just put food on the table, because it's very different to that. But I just it's it's a lot of pressure and it's a lot of stress consistently, especially for the top people that are expected to to do well all the time. But anyway, Alcarez's first round was unbelievable against von Nini. It was great to see Fabio get that moment you just knew that Fabio was going to play well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was freaking dying. That was the most Fabia for Uni can do.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's because Alcaraz looked really sort of he looked Alchariz looked a little flat, and I was like, yeah, because he's playing a guy that has more jett Aviv than he does on the court, right, you know the swagger and you know the shots he hit. He hit some unbelievable shots in that match, and it was almost like he you know, you saw the original Alcoraz. Yeah, and then Alchoriz is like, wait, I'm not I'm not the funny like charismatic dude out here. Yeah, I think it sort of took away from him a little bit. He wasn't like feeling the joy that he feels because he wasn't the show. Yeah, Babio was, you know. But in the end it clearly being thirty seven years of age caught up with him in the fifth set. But it was fun to see, but also a real wake up call for Carlos to get his matches over a little bit quicker. Although Fabio can play, huh, I mean he can play. It was so fun.

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Speaker 1: No, I was laughing because I was in Rome in the stadium when he got the farewell from the Italian ground, and it was like the end of the Lord of Rings movie where they have seven endings and kept going like they showed one video, people were crying, and then they showed another video. You know. This was like, soice matches on and Grand Slam stage is the best matches on mas Thursday. The one time he won Monte Carlo, the other time he'd beat Draffer. So it's like, I think in the end they showed like fifteen videos and after a while, after an hour, people were like, Okay, are we still supposed to be crying because this is a little much, so I was like, this guy's done for good. And then three weeks later it is at the French Open, playing his first round there in classic. So it was so fab year for Uni, so Italian, and.

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Speaker 2: That one of the moments that I'll remember forever is when they had that medical time out in the fifth set for a spectator, when he went back to talk to Flavia Panetta, his wife, and they were just having this full on chat and I could hear a couple of things in Italian like ah see, and she was just like, I can't remember the words now, it's just skipping my mind. But it was so funny that there were just like, literally these two champion tennis players who are married and they've got their three kids up there and just having a conversation on Senacor while he's waiting to go back and play. And I thought, this is just the best, one of the best moments I've seen in a long time. I was so adorat and they were laughing, and I was like, oh, that that is a joy that ill remember.

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Speaker 1: And the two of them. If if Fabiau manages to really make it end here and not pull a Lord of the Rings with seven more endings. This will be the most incredible wirewash for the married couple of Lavia Panetta, who finished her career with the US Open title, and then him with this five setter against one of the best players not in the world but me might be one of the best players in fives I know. And to end like this, it's perfect.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So janick'sinner when when he went wins comfortably.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I have to tell so.

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Speaker 2: My so.

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Speaker 1: I always say about Yanick. He has this business like facade that he has charm and with behind the cy right, and especially when you speak in German with him, you can tell that he's like witty. He just doesn't show it so much.

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Speaker 2: I had a funny situation happened yesterday it which entailed some stuff I can't say because it was it's so not for the public. But he was so funny to me and so freaking adorable, And I'm like, you're literally one of my favorite people because he is a little silent assassin with suff good That's a very good description.

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Speaker 1: But I always want to tell people this, and then sometimes if people just see him on TV, they don't believe me that here's this charm to him and yesterday and he posted it today on Instagram. So that cracks me up. Is yesterday he hit one ball through his legs like running back. Did you see? I saw that? So he was so happy, Like I honestly think he was happy, but he looked happier to play this shot that nobody expects of him.

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Speaker 2: Then Women's like, yeah, I can do a little Carlos too, Okay, so you know, like me just as much. Right, I'm not his fancy all the time, but I can do it. I just don't because I'm from northern Italy, a little bit more German than Italian.

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Speaker 1: And then he and today on Instagram. I opened up my Instagram thing and the first thing I see is that shot him playing it through around. I'm like, the guy loves himself being a little joker, just doesn't want to show. And I was like, oh my god, he's he wants to show that he's a joker as well, but he can't quite get.

00:28:26
Speaker 2: There because it's just not his personality. This is why we love him so much and why I still feel horrific for him that he didn't win that match. And as much as and everybody knows how much I love Galitos.

00:28:37
Speaker 1: They're just the best.

00:28:39
Speaker 2: They're just the best, guys. I'm so I mean literally, we got so lucky. It was like like ra Friend and Roger got reincarnated.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean it's just in the TikTok version, TikTok version exactly.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, all right, so you have to run, Let's yeah, maybe let's do it, Aaron, Let's walk and talk while see you later. While okay, guys. So I just wanted to add a little something because Petco had to run do some TV and you know, we're running around like, as I say, chicks with our heads cut off over these two weeks of a Grand Slam, and so she had to run. But what I wanted to say at the end, because you know, it was nice to sit down with pet Goo and talk about Wimbledon and what's happened here over the last few days. And it's always such a joy to be here at Wimbledon and always such a joy to talk to Petco out tennis. We could sit there and talk for hours. But and we and I and Caitlin and everyone, we really appreciate you always sitting down and listening to the podcast. And you know, I had somebody walk by me in the village the other day and he said, love the podcast. You know, thanks for that. So everybody that ever comes up to me and does thank me and also tells me that they love it, it really means a lot to us. And we appreciate your support through not only you know, the last little bit, but through the years of being podcast listeners of our podcasts, and Caitlin and myself and pet Go we really we do enjoy when you come up to us in shops and on the street and tell us that you enjoy it. So I just want to throw that in there and thank you very much for that. It's been a it's been a it's been a tough couple of days for me. My mum actually passed away on Saturday before the tournament. So I'm heading back to Australia next week. So have some patience with me getting you know, all the stuff about Wimbledon t you once the tournament is done and settled. And my mom was my most My most earliest memory of Wimbledon is my mom sneaking into my bedroom as a kid and tapping me on the shoulder and waking me up and whispering in my ear, Wimbledon's on, do you want to come and watch? And we'd sit out there in you know, the cold of Sydney in winter and watch Wimbledon and watch all my favorite players like Borg and Mace and Roe and Chrissy and Martina. And that was the era that I grew up with. An Evon Goolagong Callie, and that was the ear that I grew up with as a young child. And it just made me love this place so much. It's one of the reasons why I stayed to work the first week with ESPN, because it's what my mum would have wanted. And I know this is a bit of a downer, but I just wanted to really dedicate this particular pod and my joy of Wimbledon and everything to my mom, Margaret