SASQUATCH THEORY|| BIGFOOT STORIES FROM OKLAHOMA|| IT FOUGHT WITH A BRAHMAN BULL!!!

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. In today's video,
<v Speaker 1>I will be interviewing a hunter from Oklahoma, and let
<v Speaker 1>me tell you he has some bigfoot stories to tell us.
<v Speaker 1>It seems to me that hunters have a lot of
<v Speaker 1>sightings for obvious reasons. They spend unusual amounts of time
<v Speaker 1>isolated from people in the forest. Hunters also carry weapons
<v Speaker 1>and also hunt the same prey as the bigfoots.
<v Speaker 2>They also use.
<v Speaker 1>Scent masking techniques and wear camouflage clothing, making it harder
<v Speaker 1>to be detected. Hunters will often go into remote areas
<v Speaker 1>that have not been disturbed by people for many months
<v Speaker 1>or possibly longer. I think we can speculate all we want,
<v Speaker 1>but in the end, it seems the sasquatches are undoubtedly
<v Speaker 1>smarter than most humans. Robert from Oklahoma has some very
<v Speaker 1>interesting encounters and ice sightings, and I think everyone will
<v Speaker 1>appreciate him getting in contact with me. If you have
<v Speaker 1>had an encounter with a bigfoot or cryptid being, please
<v Speaker 1>contact me at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com. All right, everyone,
<v Speaker 1>let's get into this next encounter.
<v Speaker 3>So you're you're.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what state are you?
<v Speaker 3>And again, are you from Oklahoma. Yeah, yeah, I'm from Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 3>I'm in North.
<v Speaker 1>Carolina right now, Okay, okay, awesome. Yeah, I've been to
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma a bunch of times. We my family would drive
<v Speaker 1>all the way to Mexico. They got family there, and
<v Speaker 1>they'd go through Oklahoma and Texas.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oklahoma's a that's a good place
<v Speaker 3>to see sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I believe it.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of hunting and fishing going on there.
<v Speaker 1>From what I've seen, there's a lot big lakes and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of forest.
<v Speaker 3>Very big lake. Well yeah, big lakes, a lot of forests,
<v Speaker 3>a lot of mountains and trees h eastern half of.
<v Speaker 2>The state, right yeah. So I guess.
<v Speaker 1>When I'm gonna ask, when did you begin to have
<v Speaker 1>activity or when did you first notice it?
<v Speaker 2>And is it's still going on today?
<v Speaker 3>Well, we h And about the twenty third of December
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty seven is when we moved onto the ranch
<v Speaker 3>in Oklahoma. We were living in Maryland, and I'm Cherokee
<v Speaker 3>and Lakota Sioux Indians. So my mom and dad came
<v Speaker 3>to Oklahoma to get to know the family in Oklahoma
<v Speaker 3>and see what it was like and they got out
<v Speaker 3>here that summer and my dad started started to manage
<v Speaker 3>a fifty five hundred acre ranch, and they didn't want
<v Speaker 3>to take me and my sister out of school until
<v Speaker 3>Christmas break, so we were staying with my grandparents, and
<v Speaker 3>then at Christmas break, my grandparents brought us to Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 3>But twenty third of December nineteen sixty seven, and then
<v Speaker 3>that summer we finished up the school year in eastern Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 3>Real small town, real small school. And so I was
<v Speaker 3>over do what.
<v Speaker 2>Tom listening, I think?
<v Speaker 3>So I was over at a uh, a friend of
<v Speaker 3>mine that one of the guys I met uh in school.
<v Speaker 3>His mom and dad had a little farm. It was
<v Speaker 3>probably uh oh ten miles something like that, up the
<v Speaker 3>creek from the ranch, and Uh I was Uh. I
<v Speaker 3>was with Junior that day and we were down. We
<v Speaker 3>spent the day down at Spring Creek, and there was
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of bunch of the kids we went to
<v Speaker 3>school with were there, uh and uh. Later on that
<v Speaker 3>evening when their mothers would they had to go back
<v Speaker 3>home to cook dinner for the dads. When they got
<v Speaker 3>out of the fields and got off work and all
<v Speaker 3>that stuff. So they all started going home. I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>about four o'clock, three o'clock somewhere in there, and me
<v Speaker 3>and Junior were at the creek still, and Junior said, hey,
<v Speaker 3>you know, let's let's go ask mom if we can
<v Speaker 3>go camp out on the creek tonight. And I said, yeah, hell,
<v Speaker 3>that sounds like a good idea. So we went up
<v Speaker 3>and asked his mom and Juel said, yeah, you guys
<v Speaker 3>go ahead, you know, just be careful and watch out
<v Speaker 3>for snakes. So we grabbed sleeping bags and our guns.
<v Speaker 3>I had a twenty two in Junior had a little
<v Speaker 3>single shot twenty gage shotgun. And we grabbed a couple
<v Speaker 3>thirty two an bottles of pop and a bunch of
<v Speaker 3>chips and cookies and crap like that, and we went
<v Speaker 3>walking up the creek to look for a place to camp.
<v Speaker 3>And the creek that the creek bottom was it was
<v Speaker 3>in summer, so it was everything was green, It was thick,
<v Speaker 3>a lot of brush, trees, all that crap. And we
<v Speaker 3>came up to a bend in the creek where the
<v Speaker 3>creek made a right hand turn, and on the inside
<v Speaker 3>of that bend was a cleared out rocky area, and uh,
<v Speaker 3>so we thought, well, we'll just we'll just make camp
<v Speaker 3>right here. So we uh put all our stuff down
<v Speaker 3>on the rocks, and we went and gathered up some
<v Speaker 3>firewood and crap like that for night. And so we
<v Speaker 3>jumped into water and the creek and we played some
<v Speaker 3>more and and we we shot stuff and you know,
<v Speaker 3>just did what kids did. We were Uh I was ten,
<v Speaker 3>I was ten. I think Jr. Was It was either
<v Speaker 3>ten or nine, something like that. And uh so it
<v Speaker 3>started getting dark, and uh we thought we'd go ahead
<v Speaker 3>and start the fire and uh eat, so we got
<v Speaker 3>us fire going, and uh we were setting down next
<v Speaker 3>to the fire, and hell, we drank every bit of
<v Speaker 3>both of those two bottles of pop and all the cookies, chips,
<v Speaker 3>everything we took. We ate, drank, and we laid down
<v Speaker 3>when it got dark, and eventually drifted off to sleep.
<v Speaker 3>And I woke up and it sounded like somebody was
<v Speaker 3>walking down the creek. They were walking on the shallow
<v Speaker 3>side of the creek, which is our side. And I
<v Speaker 3>laid there and I listened to that, and I thought,
<v Speaker 3>who is that? You know this? You know we're out
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of nowhere. You know, who the hell
<v Speaker 3>is that? Or what is that? And it got closer
<v Speaker 3>and closer, and it was probably within fifteen feet of us.
<v Speaker 3>But it was at the edge of the creek, and
<v Speaker 3>it was there was a lot of brush, trees and crap. Well, hell,
<v Speaker 3>it was nigh. We couldn't have seen it anyway. But
<v Speaker 3>and Junior he said, Bob, you hear that. And when
<v Speaker 3>he said that, he didn't say it in a low tone.
<v Speaker 3>He used his regular voice. And when he said that,
<v Speaker 3>this person we thought it was a person stopped and
<v Speaker 3>I told Junior, I said, yeah, I hear that. And
<v Speaker 3>he said, what is that? Who is that? I said, Man,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. And so we set up and I
<v Speaker 3>grabbed my gun and I put it across my lap
<v Speaker 3>and this thing started walking in deeper water. So that
<v Speaker 3>told me he turned to the right and he was
<v Speaker 3>walking to the opposite bank, because that side of the
<v Speaker 3>creek where the water comes around the outside of the bend,
<v Speaker 3>was you know, cutting out the cutting out the bank,
<v Speaker 3>making it deeper rut there it walked across the bank,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the water creek, and you could hear it
<v Speaker 3>climb up the other side. And all this time we're thinking,
<v Speaker 3>you know, who the hell is this? And right directly
<v Speaker 3>in front of us across the creek. On the other
<v Speaker 3>side of the creek. That was what we called popall thickets.
<v Speaker 3>It was all that is is a bunch of little
<v Speaker 3>trees two to three inch diameter, and they'll get six seven,
<v Speaker 3>eight nine foot tall, but there'll be a real thick
<v Speaker 3>grove of them and they'll just spread up hell anywhere,
<v Speaker 3>and we call them pop all thickets. And they were
<v Speaker 3>a off colored white color, kind kind of the color
<v Speaker 3>of an aspen. Well whatever whatever this was. It walked
<v Speaker 3>down the bank and when it got in front of
<v Speaker 3>those popall thickets, we could we could make the outline out.
<v Speaker 3>It was just a big black whatever the hell this was.
<v Speaker 3>And it walked down and it stopped and it turned
<v Speaker 3>to the left and you could make out the whole
<v Speaker 3>shape of them. And this thing was freaking huge. And
<v Speaker 3>Junior said, get your flashlight. And the flashlights we had
<v Speaker 3>back then it was those I don't know, there were
<v Speaker 3>like those twenty nine cent thirty nine cent plastic flashlights
<v Speaker 3>you get from Walmart and you put two D cell
<v Speaker 3>batteries in it. And I got my flashlight and he
<v Speaker 3>got his and I shined it across there, and hell,
<v Speaker 3>those things can't throw a beam were shit, but it
<v Speaker 3>kind of lit up. And when I shined the light
<v Speaker 3>on this thing, the eyes in it reflected the light
<v Speaker 3>and they were red, and they were huge, and they
<v Speaker 3>were a long ways off the ground. I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>was mesmerized by lies. I just I couldn't take my
<v Speaker 3>eyes off of them. They were just freaking big. They
<v Speaker 3>were huge and a long way offund and neither one
<v Speaker 3>of a set of word. We just stared. And the
<v Speaker 3>next thing I read that happened I realized was I
<v Speaker 3>saw fire jump out of the front of junior shotgun
<v Speaker 3>and the gun made a loud boom on the creek.
<v Speaker 3>But the thing I remember most about that was seeing
<v Speaker 3>that fire come out of the front of his gun
<v Speaker 3>and pitch darkness and this thing started. This thing started
<v Speaker 3>screaming and roaring and ground, I mean just raising hell.
<v Speaker 3>And it started thrashing the It was thrashing brush around
<v Speaker 3>trees and all kinds of shit snapped and breaking stuff.
<v Speaker 3>I jumped up and I started hauling ass. I started
<v Speaker 3>running through the woods. I was making a bee line
<v Speaker 3>straight for Junior's house. I had my gun with me,
<v Speaker 3>and that's the only thing I had with me, And
<v Speaker 3>I mean man, I was scared to death. I was
<v Speaker 3>all asked, and I could hear something behind me running,
<v Speaker 3>and dude, I didn't know if that was Junior behind me.
<v Speaker 3>I did not know if that was this whatever the
<v Speaker 3>hell this thing was, but it was Neither one of
<v Speaker 3>them was going to catch me. And it was about
<v Speaker 3>a mile, I guess, through the woods. It's about a
<v Speaker 3>mile of Junior's house. And I got to the field.
<v Speaker 3>There was a field. Junior's house set up on top
<v Speaker 3>of the little hill. It's probably forty fifty foot tall.
<v Speaker 3>And at the bottom of that hill, his dad had
<v Speaker 3>a little pasture down there where they capt a cup
<v Speaker 3>of cattle in And I do not remember. You had
<v Speaker 3>to cross that fence twice from the woodside, through the
<v Speaker 3>pasture and across the other side, and then up the
<v Speaker 3>hills of their house. I do not remember crossing that fence,
<v Speaker 3>but I remember that. The next thing that I really
<v Speaker 3>remember is climbing up that hill. And I remember climbing
<v Speaker 3>that hill and running to the corner of their house
<v Speaker 3>where they had his dad had a floodlight out there.
<v Speaker 3>I was completely out of breath. I was wore the
<v Speaker 3>hell out, I was scared, gasping for air. Well, Junior
<v Speaker 3>was right behind me. He came up the hill and
<v Speaker 3>he came up behind me. That scared the hell out
<v Speaker 3>of me. Again, I don't even know who was there.
<v Speaker 3>We ran in the house, blew the front door open,
<v Speaker 3>and we just started babbling yelling. His mom jumped up
<v Speaker 3>and ran in there. His dad jumped up and ran
<v Speaker 3>in there, and you know, said, what the hell, what
<v Speaker 3>the hell's going on? And we tried to tell them
<v Speaker 3>what happened, and we just we just sounded like babbling idiots.
<v Speaker 3>And his dad said, look, you know, you guys, just
<v Speaker 3>calmed down. I'm going back to bed. We'll talk about
<v Speaker 3>this tomorrow during breakfast. Well, he went back to bed,
<v Speaker 3>and me and Junior turned to his mom and started
<v Speaker 3>trying to tell her what happened, and she said, look, guys,
<v Speaker 3>go to Junior's bedroom, get some sleep, and we'll talk
<v Speaker 3>about it tomorrow. So we went to Junior's bedroom, but
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't We weren't going to We didn't get asleep.
<v Speaker 3>We were wound up like an eight day clock. And
<v Speaker 3>the time passed and we heard his mom. It was
<v Speaker 3>starting to get a light outside and hear his mom
<v Speaker 3>was in the kitchen and so we took off in
<v Speaker 3>the kitchen and we we had calmed down a lot
<v Speaker 3>since then, so we were more rational telling her what
<v Speaker 3>had happened. Then how Howard his dad came in and said,
<v Speaker 3>all right, what happened. So we told him what happened
<v Speaker 3>and he said, well, he said, after weat breakfast, I
<v Speaker 3>want you guys to take me down there and show
<v Speaker 3>me where this happened at. So we ate breakfast. Howard
<v Speaker 3>went and got dressed, came out. Junior grabbed his twenty
<v Speaker 3>gauge and I grabbed my twenty two like he was
<v Speaker 3>going to do any good. But and we told Howard's
<v Speaker 3>and man, you know you better, you better get your gun.
<v Speaker 3>If this thing's still down there, it's huge, you're gonna
<v Speaker 3>need it. He said, I don't need a gun. He said,
<v Speaker 3>it's whatever it was. I'm sure it's not there now
<v Speaker 3>it's daylight. So we took off. We went down there
<v Speaker 3>and showed him where it was at, and all our
<v Speaker 3>stuff was still there and nothing was tore up or
<v Speaker 3>anything like that. It was still on the bank. So
<v Speaker 3>Howard went down. He walked up the creek and found
<v Speaker 3>a shallow spot where he had crossed and he came
<v Speaker 3>back down and uh uh we could see that this
<v Speaker 3>thing had it had it had ripped out and snapped
<v Speaker 3>off some of a lot of those popall trees and
<v Speaker 3>and just slung them around through them. And uh so
<v Speaker 3>Junior Junior's dad, Howard, walked around up there and went
<v Speaker 3>through the thickets and uh the pop off thickets, and
<v Speaker 3>it was there for about I don't know, thirty minut
<v Speaker 3>a half an hour and forty five minutes, and he
<v Speaker 3>came back across the creek and he said, well, he said,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you boys saw, but uh it
<v Speaker 3>it it was pissed off. He said, uh, rest of
<v Speaker 3>the summer, you guys stay away from these creek bottoms
<v Speaker 3>down here until we you know, until we know what
<v Speaker 3>this is. And uh so we agreed and didn't have
<v Speaker 3>a problem with that, and uh uh that was the
<v Speaker 3>end of that deal. But we when when deer season
<v Speaker 3>came around, when it got cold, and we uh hunted
<v Speaker 3>deer and hunted squirrels and stuff. We hunted stated around
<v Speaker 3>the mountains, which was yeah, hell it wasn't. It wasn't
<v Speaker 3>far from the cream bottoms at all. But uh we
<v Speaker 3>never never went back down and hunted the cream bottoms,
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't realize. Uh, I mean, I knew I
<v Speaker 3>was scared bad mm hmm. But it must have been
<v Speaker 3>when when we were deer hunt or up in the mountains,
<v Speaker 3>but up there, not far from the creek. I never
<v Speaker 3>thought about that. And uh because because you know, we
<v Speaker 3>would walk in before daily, we were walking after dark,
<v Speaker 3>and I never I never thought about that. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>all this happened that these eight years happened, the encounters
<v Speaker 3>with the four, all the stuff that happened in between
<v Speaker 3>that that. Uh, I never we didn't know what that was.
<v Speaker 3>I did not until the movie The Legend of Boggy
<v Speaker 3>Creek came out. Me and another buddy, Daryl, I was
<v Speaker 3>we drove the back roads to that. It was a
<v Speaker 3>drive in and there was about four or five of
<v Speaker 3>us went and saw that movie. That was when I
<v Speaker 3>knew what the hell that was. And uh So while
<v Speaker 3>this whole time happened, Uh, what brought all this stuff
<v Speaker 3>back was in twenty twenty seventeen, I had aneurism surgery.
<v Speaker 3>They found four bad aneurisms in me, and while I
<v Speaker 3>while they did surgery on me to fix them, they
<v Speaker 3>severed a femoral nerve with my left leg, and that
<v Speaker 3>that retired me. Right, I'm sorry to hear that I
<v Speaker 3>was done so and that made me retire ten years
<v Speaker 3>before I had planned on retiring. And so I was
<v Speaker 3>at home all the time twenty four to seven, and
<v Speaker 3>I was going freaking nuts. I mean hell, I started
<v Speaker 3>working in nineteen seventy five and never stopped until then.
<v Speaker 3>So I went to turned on the TV one day
<v Speaker 3>and had I had a smart TV and I had
<v Speaker 3>a uh uh YouTube app on it. I didn't know
<v Speaker 3>who YouTube was, the first time I'd ever looked at that,
<v Speaker 3>so I clicked on it. All these videos started popping up,
<v Speaker 3>and I was going, you know, just looking and looking
<v Speaker 3>and looking. Well, a couple of bigfoot videos showed up,
<v Speaker 3>popped up, and I thought, what the hell bigfoot, I'll
<v Speaker 3>be damn. So I clicked on those and I watched them.
<v Speaker 3>And the more of those that I watched, a lot
<v Speaker 3>of the stuff that happened when I was growing up
<v Speaker 3>on the ranch was coming back to me, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's like shit, I saw that, you know, uh uh,
<v Speaker 3>I heard that? That was that? That was what I
<v Speaker 3>heard that day or night whenever happened. All this stuff
<v Speaker 3>started coming back, and uh, I got engrossed in it.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I watched everything I could watch on it,
<v Speaker 3>and after a while, when you watch them a lot
<v Speaker 3>like that, I mean, when you watch one, you can
<v Speaker 3>tell if the one you're watching, if the you know,
<v Speaker 3>if the people, if they're trying to blow smoke up
<v Speaker 3>your ass they're full of bullshit or not, because you
<v Speaker 3>can tell the people just by the way they're telling
<v Speaker 3>you what happened, if it really did happen or.
<v Speaker 2>Not, you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I didn't know until later, but there's a
<v Speaker 3>lot of Bigfoot wannabes out there that you know. But anyway,
<v Speaker 3>so this started bringing all this stuff back to me.
<v Speaker 3>I started remembering all this shit. I hadn't thought about
<v Speaker 3>this stuff, crap man, forty plus years. So all this
<v Speaker 3>stuff started coming back after that happened. And it wasn't
<v Speaker 3>until the movie, that movie came out when I knew
<v Speaker 3>then I knew what this was. Well, Junior, he wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>talk about it. He would not talk about it. And
<v Speaker 3>this thing had I guess it had pushed it so
<v Speaker 3>far in the back of my brain that it completely
<v Speaker 3>shut it off. Because that's The only thing I can
<v Speaker 3>think of is why we could steal deer hunting squirrel
<v Speaker 3>hunt up in the mountains up there and be out
<v Speaker 3>there dark and not be thinking about what had happened,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a quarter mile away. That's the only thing,
<v Speaker 3>the logic thing I can come up with why it
<v Speaker 3>didn't happen. It just had burned it in the back
<v Speaker 3>of my brain and shut it off and it never
<v Speaker 3>came back out. Right. So after that deal happened, the
<v Speaker 3>movie came out. Knew what it was. Well. The year
<v Speaker 3>after that, it was deer season and uh I had
<v Speaker 3>deer hunted along the creek up to another friend of
<v Speaker 3>mine's house. His dad and grandpa had a little farm
<v Speaker 3>that was probably oh three miles up the creek from
<v Speaker 3>the house. So I deer hunted the creek bottom the
<v Speaker 3>creek up to Randy's house and uh me and him
<v Speaker 3>we deer hunted with his grandpa. We called him Poppy,
<v Speaker 3>and he took us deer hunting, and so we hunted
<v Speaker 3>that day and we went back got back to their
<v Speaker 3>house a couple hours before dark because I had to
<v Speaker 3>walk home still, So instead of walking down the creek,
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna climb the mountain.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go up to the top of the mountain,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna hunt back the top of the mountains
<v Speaker 3>and the ridges on my way back to the house,
<v Speaker 3>because I've I've never hunted up that part yet. So
<v Speaker 3>I took off and I got to the top, and
<v Speaker 3>I was working my way to the house. I was
<v Speaker 3>working my way around the tops of the ridges, and
<v Speaker 3>i'd walk up to the ridge and I would stop
<v Speaker 3>and I would look at the ridge on the other side,
<v Speaker 3>watch the hillside on the other side, and the draw
<v Speaker 3>and I was standing at one of them, and I
<v Speaker 3>was scanning, and I was looking for deer, looking for
<v Speaker 3>something to move, and I noticed it looked like a
<v Speaker 3>cave on the other on the ridge straight in front
<v Speaker 3>of me, and I thought, damn, is that a cave.
<v Speaker 3>And so I walked around the ridgeline and I walked
<v Speaker 3>up to it, and it was right at the top
<v Speaker 3>of the hill, and you had to walk around the
<v Speaker 3>left side of this cave and walk down the hill
<v Speaker 3>a little bit turned to the right and you could
<v Speaker 3>walk straight in front of the cave. And so that's
<v Speaker 3>what I did, and I got I got down and
<v Speaker 3>I looked up in there and it only went back shit,
<v Speaker 3>maybe three feet, you know, not very far at all.
<v Speaker 3>And so so I crawled up in there to see
<v Speaker 3>if I could sit in there and deer hunt keep
<v Speaker 3>me out of the weather or any kind of rain
<v Speaker 3>or anything. And I could watch the other side of
<v Speaker 3>the hill. So I got up in there, and I
<v Speaker 3>could put my back up against the cave wall and
<v Speaker 3>my legs would stick out, and but I could see everything.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I could see the whole ridge on the
<v Speaker 3>other side, the hillside, the draw on the bottom everything.
<v Speaker 3>I thought, hell, great, this is where I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>be tomorrow morning, and I want to sit here all day.
<v Speaker 3>And uh so I took off and went to the
<v Speaker 3>house and I got up, Man, I got up way
<v Speaker 3>too early, and uh I got dressed, got my past back,
<v Speaker 3>my gun, the flashlight, and I took off and I
<v Speaker 3>and I left. It was probably, oh Man, probably four
<v Speaker 3>o'clock in the morning, four point thirty, and uh I
<v Speaker 3>was making a beeline to that cave, and I had
<v Speaker 3>the flashlight pointing on the ground in front of me
<v Speaker 3>so I wouldn't trip. And the leaves were real dry.
<v Speaker 3>It was like walking in a bowl of corn flakes,
<v Speaker 3>and uh, and I wasn't taking my time getting there.
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was. I was making tracks and so
<v Speaker 3>I was making a lot of noise crunching the leaves.
<v Speaker 3>And I got there. I went down the left side
<v Speaker 3>of the cave and I walked back in front of it,
<v Speaker 3>and I got up underneath it and I got settled in.
<v Speaker 3>I was laying there with my back to the back
<v Speaker 3>and and uh, probably I don't know, a couple of feet,
<v Speaker 3>you know. My legs were sticking out the front of
<v Speaker 3>the cave, and I had my gun laying across my lap,
<v Speaker 3>and uh, I was just sitting there waiting for daylight.
<v Speaker 3>And then I get I started hearing something crunching the leaves, walking, crunch, crunch, crun,
<v Speaker 3>and was coming to my direction. And at first I thought, damn,
<v Speaker 3>that's that's that's a deer. Deer moving around. It's too
<v Speaker 3>early for deer to move around. And so I kept listening,
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, well, hell it's you know, as soon
<v Speaker 3>as it gets light, if it's still here, i'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna shoot it. So I kept listening, and it
<v Speaker 3>kept getting louder and louder and getting closer and I thought, damn,
<v Speaker 3>this thing is walking, you know, it's walking right up
<v Speaker 3>to me. And it walked up to the edge. When
<v Speaker 3>it got to the edge of this cave, the top
<v Speaker 3>of it it had when it when it stopped, it
<v Speaker 3>had knocked off some little rocks and some small sticks
<v Speaker 3>and stuff off the side of the cave. Landed down
<v Speaker 3>in front of me, and some of it landed on
<v Speaker 3>my legs, and I thought, what the hell is this?
<v Speaker 3>You know what? And then I started thinking, this is
<v Speaker 3>a mountain lion or it's got to be a bear.
<v Speaker 3>So I pulled my legs in real slow, real quiet,
<v Speaker 3>and I and I put the bottom of my feet
<v Speaker 3>on the ground, had my knees up there, and I
<v Speaker 3>had my gun. The buttstock was on the ground and
<v Speaker 3>the rifle was pointing up, the barrel was pointing up.
<v Speaker 3>And you could hear you could hear this thing breathe.
<v Speaker 3>I mean you could hear it sucking air and when
<v Speaker 3>it exhaled air, it would be like a like a
<v Speaker 3>like a soft grout type thing, you know. And and
<v Speaker 3>it stood there and it just did that, and I thought,
<v Speaker 3>this is definitely a bear because it was a deep
<v Speaker 3>guttural type exhale type. This has got to be a
<v Speaker 3>damn bear. Thought, Holy shit, man, if this thing jumps down,
<v Speaker 3>the only thing I can do is just star shooting
<v Speaker 3>and unload my gun and hal ass because if it
<v Speaker 3>dropped down, I had nowhere to go. I mean I
<v Speaker 3>had nowhere to go. I mean it was standing only
<v Speaker 3>three foot above my head. And if it came down,
<v Speaker 3>it blocked completely block off the interest for me to
<v Speaker 3>get out, and I'm just screwed. So I just sit
<v Speaker 3>there and prayed and listened to this thing. And it
<v Speaker 3>must have I don't know. It seemed like hours, but
<v Speaker 3>it was probably just minutes, ten minutes, maybe fifteen minutes
<v Speaker 3>or something, and it just stood there and then it
<v Speaker 3>turned and it walked back off the same direction it
<v Speaker 3>came from. And this whole time, that whole time, and
<v Speaker 3>for years after that, you know it was a bear.
<v Speaker 3>It had to have been a bear. And and the
<v Speaker 3>reason I got I got onto the bear thing is
<v Speaker 3>because when we moved on the ranch, the owner of
<v Speaker 3>the ranch, one Saturday, him and his wife came down.
<v Speaker 3>He was talking to dad. They were going over what
<v Speaker 3>pasture that they summered the cattle in what pasture they
<v Speaker 3>wintered the cattle in, and you know what pastures were
<v Speaker 3>the best for hay and all this crap. You know,
<v Speaker 3>they were talking about branch stuff like that. Well, he
<v Speaker 3>was the one that mentioned that in the winter they
<v Speaker 3>used to keep the cattle in the pasture behind the barn,
<v Speaker 3>but it got to where, he said, bears would come
<v Speaker 3>down in the winter and snatch a calf, and so
<v Speaker 3>to keep the stop that, they decided to move the
<v Speaker 3>wintering range. Let the cattle winner in the pasture right
<v Speaker 3>across the creek from the house and the house set. Oh,
<v Speaker 3>it's got that house set on top of the hill.
<v Speaker 3>The cliff was probably fifty sixty seventy feet, well fifty
<v Speaker 3>or sixty feet maybe from the creek. Straight up right
<v Speaker 3>below the house was a creek. Right on the other
<v Speaker 3>side of the creek. Below the house was the winter
<v Speaker 3>pasture and it was a big, big pasture. So that's
<v Speaker 3>where they wintered the cattle at so the bears wouldn't
<v Speaker 3>come down as much and try to steal a calf
<v Speaker 3>or a a sick cow something like that. He said,
<v Speaker 3>it still happened from time time, but it didn't happen
<v Speaker 3>as much from that time. On. I thought eastern Oklahoma
<v Speaker 3>had bears because I figured this guy knew. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>he had on this land for so many years and
<v Speaker 3>ran catalog for so many years. He knew what the
<v Speaker 3>hell he was talking about. So when this incident happened, well,
<v Speaker 3>the only thing it could have been in my brain
<v Speaker 3>was a bear because it was big, it had a
<v Speaker 3>you know, a growl, like a soft growl thing type
<v Speaker 3>to it when it exhaled, and so for years that's
<v Speaker 3>what it was, was a bear. Well, it wasn't until
<v Speaker 3>I was watching all these bigfoot videos on the people
<v Speaker 3>hunting bigfoots, the pictures of them, the sounds, you know,
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff. I remembered back to the whend that happened,
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, shit, that wasn't a bear. And years
<v Speaker 3>later it dawned on me that bears were not in
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma in the seventies and eighties. They didn't start transitioning
<v Speaker 3>from Arkansas to southeastern Oklahoma until the mid to late nineties.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I always never that never made that never dialed into
<v Speaker 3>me when I was growing up, because I always thought
<v Speaker 3>there were bears. The owner said there was bear, so
<v Speaker 3>there was bears. Well, it dawned on me watching all
<v Speaker 3>this bigfoot stuff that that was not a bear. And
<v Speaker 3>then everything started making sense because when I was making
<v Speaker 3>my way to that cave, I was making a lot
<v Speaker 3>of noise, crunching the leaves to get there. My flashlight
<v Speaker 3>was pointing down to the ground, and I'm thoroughly convinced
<v Speaker 3>that he heard me and he saw my flashlight. And
<v Speaker 3>he may not have known what I was, but he
<v Speaker 3>heard me and he saw my flashlight, and he was probably,
<v Speaker 3>you know, thinking, what the hell is this, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And so when I got to that cave and I
<v Speaker 3>walked down the left side of it to get inside
<v Speaker 3>the cave, I was out of his vision because I
<v Speaker 3>dropped over the side of the ridge and when I
<v Speaker 3>got inside that cave, he couldn't hear me walking in
<v Speaker 3>the leaves anymore, and he couldn't see my flashlight. And
<v Speaker 3>I thoroughly believe that's what walked up to the edge
<v Speaker 3>of that the top edge of the that cave, that hillside,
<v Speaker 3>and he was looking for me. He was listening for
<v Speaker 3>me and looking for me. I just disappeared. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I know he had to have been able to smell me.
<v Speaker 3>He just could not find me. He couldn't see me.
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't hear me, couldn't see my flashlight, just like
<v Speaker 3>I disappeared to him, and he sitt there or stood
<v Speaker 3>there for a man at ten fifteen, twenty minutes thirty
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, But after a while he gave up me,
<v Speaker 3>turned around and went back the same direction he came.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm one hundred percent convinced that's exactly what happened
<v Speaker 3>on that deal. But I sit there until it got light,
<v Speaker 3>and when it got light, I hauled ass. I went
<v Speaker 3>down to the bottom of the drawer and I went
<v Speaker 3>down to drawl all the way to the creek. And
<v Speaker 3>I never went back up to that area and hunted.
<v Speaker 3>I never got to where I would get there before
<v Speaker 3>daylight or be there after dark. I would go through
<v Speaker 3>there during the day when I could see, But there
<v Speaker 3>was no way in hell I was going to get
<v Speaker 3>stuck out there up there. Uh, when it got dark,
<v Speaker 3>and that was that was the second encounter. But I
<v Speaker 3>didn't see him. I just heard it. And there's no
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing else that could have been because there weren't
<v Speaker 3>bears in Oklahoma then and and and this it was
<v Speaker 3>just too big and uh. But the whole time I
<v Speaker 3>grew up, you know, I was convinced I was a bear. Hell,
<v Speaker 3>I was convinced everything was a bear. Yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>And after after that happened a Brandy, the buddy mine,
<v Speaker 3>he walked down. He came down the house one day
<v Speaker 3>with his deer rifle and got me and we took
<v Speaker 3>off deer hunting. It was during Christmas break. Uh. There
<v Speaker 3>was about I don't know, six inches of snow something
<v Speaker 3>like that on the ground, and uh we had we
<v Speaker 3>got on we started walking the creek and we walked down.
<v Speaker 3>We deer hunted down the creek bottom, down the creek, oh,
<v Speaker 3>probably a couple of miles a mile and a half.
<v Speaker 3>We never saw any tracks, didn't see any deer. So
<v Speaker 3>we decided we would come out of the creek bottom,
<v Speaker 3>go across the pasture and uh walk up the mountain
<v Speaker 3>and we would hunt the mountains and the ridges all
<v Speaker 3>the way back around to the house. So we crossed
<v Speaker 3>across the pasture and was getting ready to walk into
<v Speaker 3>the woods where the bottom of the hills mountains started.
<v Speaker 3>And we came across some tracks in the snow, some
<v Speaker 3>big damn tracks, huge long tracks, and we looked at
<v Speaker 3>each other and we looked at those tracks and we
<v Speaker 3>both thought, man, this is a bear, and it's We
<v Speaker 3>could tell the tracks were sort of fresh because the
<v Speaker 3>top crust of the snow hadn't been frozen, and what
<v Speaker 3>had fallen off into the bottom of the tracks was
<v Speaker 3>still still soft, kind of crumbly. So we thought, let's
<v Speaker 3>track this thing. It can't be that far in front
<v Speaker 3>of us, and hell, man, we'll kill a bear. So
<v Speaker 3>we took off and this thing went up the mountain,
<v Speaker 3>went over the top of the mountain back down, and
<v Speaker 3>so we went to the top of the mountain and
<v Speaker 3>we walked. We were making our way down the mountain,
<v Speaker 3>looking at the tracks, not even paying paying attention, you know,
<v Speaker 3>of that far in front of us, but probably two
<v Speaker 3>thirds of the way seventy five percent of the way
<v Speaker 3>down the mountain was another patch of a popall thicket,
<v Speaker 3>and these tracks went right through the middle of it,
<v Speaker 3>and there was an opening. I mean, it was a
<v Speaker 3>pretty damn good trail through there. So we were following
<v Speaker 3>the tracks they went through that thicket, and I kept
<v Speaker 3>my eyes on that thicket. The closer I got to
<v Speaker 3>that thicket, man, I just got a feeling of dread.
<v Speaker 3>This is not a good idea to not walk into
<v Speaker 3>the thicket. So the closer I got to it, the
<v Speaker 3>worse that feeling got. The hair on the back of
<v Speaker 3>my neck stood up, and I stopped. Where's about I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, twenty yards thirty yards from the thicket and
<v Speaker 3>I stopped and Randy was behind me, and I turned around.
<v Speaker 3>I told Randy, man, I do not want to walk
<v Speaker 3>through that thicket. Said I don't feel right. Something something's wrong.
<v Speaker 3>This something's not good. And he said, man, I got
<v Speaker 3>the same damn feeling. He said, let's just go back
<v Speaker 3>up to the top of the mountain and we'll just
<v Speaker 3>hunt the mountaintops around and go to the house. So
<v Speaker 3>that's what we did. And when we turned around and
<v Speaker 3>got to the top of the mountain, well, that that
<v Speaker 3>that feeling of dread, you know, it went away. Everything
<v Speaker 3>was fine after that. And uh, back to when I
<v Speaker 3>was stuck at home watching all these YouTube videos, when
<v Speaker 3>I started seeing tracks that people had taken pictures from
<v Speaker 3>and cast and stuff from snow and the mud. When
<v Speaker 3>I saw that first track that that jump jumped in
<v Speaker 3>front of my mind and I said, holy shit, that's
<v Speaker 3>what that track was. That's exactly what it looks exactly
<v Speaker 3>like that. That wasn't a damn bear and uh thing
<v Speaker 3>in between the encounters. Stuff like that happened to me
<v Speaker 3>a lot. I mean, one time I was hunting the
<v Speaker 3>side of a mountain, squirrel hunting, and and I was
<v Speaker 3>pretty pretty far, pretty far back in, and uh there
<v Speaker 3>was a set of brothers. Their last name were Pratt.
<v Speaker 3>They were the only guys that Dad would let come
<v Speaker 3>down and cut wood off the ranch. Uh they didn't
<v Speaker 3>have much money, you know, their parents didn't work, so
<v Speaker 3>they grew up in poverty. But David and his brother
<v Speaker 3>worked their ass off and so Dad let him come
<v Speaker 3>down and cut firewood on the ranch. That was how
<v Speaker 3>they made their living in the winter. And uh, so
<v Speaker 3>they would cut firewood, and they would cut us firewood
<v Speaker 3>and let it lay there and then me and Dad
<v Speaker 3>go pick it up later. Uh. So I'm hunting about
<v Speaker 3>halfway up this mountain and I'm going along the side
<v Speaker 3>and looking at the squirrels, and I hear this whack.
<v Speaker 3>Well the hell is that? Then I heard it again. Man,
<v Speaker 3>it just went whack. It sounded like somebody was cutting
<v Speaker 3>wood with an axe, And I thought my dad didn't
<v Speaker 3>say anything about David and his brother being up being
<v Speaker 3>around here cutting wood today, and how the hell would
<v Speaker 3>they get back there. There's no roads back there because
<v Speaker 3>they had a two ton of flatbed truck that they
<v Speaker 3>would fill up with wood and take it to tuls
<v Speaker 3>and sell it. I said, hell, there's no way for
<v Speaker 3>me to get back there. And I thought, no, I
<v Speaker 3>got to go check this out. And this sounds, you know, somebody's, uh,
<v Speaker 3>somebody's poaching wood. So I took off where I heard
<v Speaker 3>the hits come from, and I got up there, and hell,
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't anything there. I looked around. There was nothing,
<v Speaker 3>you know, and you can see, you can see a
<v Speaker 3>pretty good ways. I know, I didn't see anything. I
<v Speaker 3>never heard anything, and so I walked. I walked back
<v Speaker 3>to my left a little bit to see if they
<v Speaker 3>were more on the flats and nothing. I didn't see anything,
<v Speaker 3>didn't hear nothing. I thought, well, damn, that's you know,
<v Speaker 3>that's that's odd. It sounded like somebody was cutting wood
<v Speaker 3>and they're not here. And so after a while, I
<v Speaker 3>just you know, thought, well, you know, I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>maybe a tree fill, hell, I don't know, and I
<v Speaker 3>just blew it off, and I took off, and then
<v Speaker 3>back to when I was watching all these videos. You know,
<v Speaker 3>the first time I heard tree knocks, that's exactly what
<v Speaker 3>this was, was a tree.
<v Speaker 1>Now real quick, when you say on the side of
<v Speaker 1>a mountain or you you just say mountain.
<v Speaker 2>Or you're talking about Oklahoma, right, you're talking about like
<v Speaker 2>you or.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, just I know people in the commons will
<v Speaker 1>probably say there there's no mountains in Oklahoma.
<v Speaker 3>Well, well, when you grow up in Oklahoma, uh, Eastern
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma's got mountains right now. If you grow up and
<v Speaker 3>you're in the Appalachias or in the Rocky Mountains, the
<v Speaker 3>mountains and Oklahoma are freaking hills.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmmm.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but uh.
<v Speaker 1>Growing, they're steep and they go a long ways.
<v Speaker 3>Oh hell yeah, I mean they're they're yeah. You the
<v Speaker 3>further south they go, the bigger they get. Okay, but yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they're they're they're deep, they go down deep, and they
<v Speaker 3>stretch for a long ways and and yeah they're they're
<v Speaker 3>they're tall.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Uh So that that's when when I heard the first
<v Speaker 3>wood knox. That's that jumped, that mean, that's ship. That's
<v Speaker 3>what that was that day. That wouldn't anybody cutting wood,
<v Speaker 3>because it sounded like it sounded like you were cutting
<v Speaker 3>wood with an axe, or it sound like somebody hitting
<v Speaker 3>a home run with a baseball just crack. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I've experienced it many times, and that's the way I
<v Speaker 1>describe it, as like Mark maguire hitting one out of
<v Speaker 1>the park with the wooden.
<v Speaker 3>Bat exactly exactly. And uh that same later that winter.
<v Speaker 3>Uh it was later that winter or the winner before,
<v Speaker 3>I mean the winner after, Uh, well before that happened.
<v Speaker 3>The woods that the house. The side of the house
<v Speaker 3>was right at the tree line, at the bottom of
<v Speaker 3>a mountain where it started to go up. And one
<v Speaker 3>Saturday night, I was going to go hunting the next morning,
<v Speaker 3>so I was getting ready to go hunting. Well, my
<v Speaker 3>dad and my mom and my sister they took off
<v Speaker 3>and went visiting, went to other people's houses, and I
<v Speaker 3>didn't go because I was going to stay there and
<v Speaker 3>get my hunting stuff ready, to clean my gun, do
<v Speaker 3>all that crap. I was leaving next early the next
<v Speaker 3>morning go hunting. Well, this was I don't know, eleven,
<v Speaker 3>twelve o'clock at night, something like that, ten to twelve
<v Speaker 3>somewhere in there. I was in the house and I
<v Speaker 3>was cleaning my rifle and I heard I heard this
<v Speaker 3>god awful loud scream, yell roar from inside the house.
<v Speaker 3>And I thought, the hell that that's got to be
<v Speaker 3>a mountain lion or a black panther. That's the only
<v Speaker 3>thing that's going to be out this time of night. Said,
<v Speaker 3>And I was told growing up that a black panther
<v Speaker 3>and a mountain lion, when they scream at not that loud,
<v Speaker 3>they can sound like a dying woman. And when this
<v Speaker 3>thing screamed and yell combination of yell grout type thing,
<v Speaker 3>I thought it didn't sound like no dying woman. But
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it definitely sounded like it was big. And
<v Speaker 3>I loaded my rifle. And that was the same twenty
<v Speaker 3>two rifle I had when me and Junior were together
<v Speaker 3>that night. But I loaded it and I walked out
<v Speaker 3>on the front porch. We had a screamed in front porch,
<v Speaker 3>and I walked out on the front porch to see
<v Speaker 3>if I could if it would do it again, if
<v Speaker 3>I could see it, you know what what? And uh
<v Speaker 3>like a dummy. When I walked out on the front porch,
<v Speaker 3>I left the light on. I didn't even think about
<v Speaker 3>turning the light out, but I left the light on
<v Speaker 3>and I was standing out there, and I never heard it.
<v Speaker 3>Never did it again. I never heard the sound again.
<v Speaker 3>And going back to these the videos I watched on
<v Speaker 3>YouTube when they had some played some videos of people
<v Speaker 3>catching audio of them at night, uh screaming, and and
<v Speaker 3>that is that was the same sound. Uh, I mean
<v Speaker 3>that I can't say that one thousand percent, but to me,
<v Speaker 3>that was the same damn sound.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>That's what made that damn sound that night, and it
<v Speaker 3>and it wasn't that far from the house, and it
<v Speaker 3>never did it again, right, And I always contributed that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, that was either a mountain line or a
<v Speaker 3>black panther, because I was also we were also told
<v Speaker 3>that there's black panthers on the ranch and they when
<v Speaker 3>they scream, you know, they'll sound like a woman getting murdered.
<v Speaker 3>That's not exactly what this sounded like.
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I mean, right, okay, so all of
<v Speaker 1>this activity is taking place on this ranch, correct.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Now, the first one we saw with me and
<v Speaker 3>Junior that night that was about that was probably ten
<v Speaker 3>miles or so up the creek from.
<v Speaker 1>The ranch that but still in the same county, still
<v Speaker 1>in the same right right, Yeah, still in the same county,
<v Speaker 1>just up that break, right, okay.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just want to make that clear.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people they wonder, you know, how can
<v Speaker 1>one guy have so many things happen? But you know,
<v Speaker 1>you're living not only in the forest, in a forested area,
<v Speaker 1>you're living around these creatures, and I believe that's that's you're.
<v Speaker 2>In their territory exactly.
<v Speaker 1>You're more likely to have an encounter than somebody that
<v Speaker 1>say lives in the city or even out of town
<v Speaker 1>somewhere that doesn't have.
<v Speaker 2>Any big foot activity and maybe they're keeping an eye
<v Speaker 2>on you. I don't know. There's a lot of variables.
<v Speaker 1>That could be taking place, but yeah, I just wanted
<v Speaker 1>to clear that up.
<v Speaker 3>I know people that I grew up with there to
<v Speaker 3>this day they've never seen one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've never seen one.
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever looked up reports or BFR reports and
<v Speaker 1>maybe found your county?
<v Speaker 3>I haven't. I haven't done that.
<v Speaker 2>I bet you would. You'd be shocked on what you'd find.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sure I would. Because the last the last story,
<v Speaker 3>the last one I saw, the last story I got
<v Speaker 3>for you, h as the buddy that was with me
<v Speaker 3>then me and him talked about that, uh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>for years afterwards, and he would tell me that, well,
<v Speaker 3>man so and so said, they saw one down there,
<v Speaker 3>you know, backing up in a certain holler wherever they
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever holler of their house built a But uh,
<v Speaker 3>after after the hillside, after the one yelled, uh damn,
<v Speaker 3>the winter, I think it was the winter at It
<v Speaker 3>might have been that winter, but I think it was
<v Speaker 3>the winter after that, because I would have been I
<v Speaker 3>would have been about thirteen. I was driving, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I was driving dirt roads. I learned how to drive,
<v Speaker 3>you know, being on the ranch, driving, driving into the hayfields,
<v Speaker 3>you know, feeding cattle, all that shit. But one the
<v Speaker 3>next winter, uh, I went up to a girl's house
<v Speaker 3>that lived in the little town that I grew up in,
<v Speaker 3>and uh, it was a Saturday night and we were
<v Speaker 3>watching h Saturday night horror flicks back when you only
<v Speaker 3>had three channels on her TV. And at two o'clock
<v Speaker 3>they turned you know, the station shut down, and all
<v Speaker 3>you got on your TV was snow, you know. So
<v Speaker 3>I went up there and we were watching Saturday night
<v Speaker 3>horror flicks until until the programming stopped, which is I
<v Speaker 3>believe it was two o'clock in the morning. So when
<v Speaker 3>that happened, I left and I went back to the house.
<v Speaker 3>And when I pulled up the house, I noticed the
<v Speaker 3>all the outside of lights were on, and I got
<v Speaker 3>out of the truck and I started walking towards the house,
<v Speaker 3>and I noticed my dad and my mom were on
<v Speaker 3>the balcony. There was a balcony that wrapped around the
<v Speaker 3>entire back of the house and it went out over
<v Speaker 3>Spring Creek, so it looked straight down on Spring Creek
<v Speaker 3>and the pasture where we were winning the cattle at
<v Speaker 3>and man, I heard just screaming, roaring that later, I
<v Speaker 3>guess about the first to fall into summer a rancher
<v Speaker 3>that Dad knew had a Bramer bull. And Jess brought
<v Speaker 3>this Bramer bull down and unloaded it so it could
<v Speaker 3>breed with some of our cattle. And this was a
<v Speaker 3>Bramer This was a two thousand pound Bramer bull. This
<v Speaker 3>thing was freaking huge. The hump on the back of
<v Speaker 3>this thing probably stood and I must say, well, it
<v Speaker 3>kind of. It was so big. It didn't stand straight up.
<v Speaker 3>It kind of leaned off to the side, but it
<v Speaker 3>had to been three foot long. It was huge. The
<v Speaker 3>base of this thing's horns were well, they had been
<v Speaker 3>as big as your big as your arm, the thickest
<v Speaker 3>part of your arm. He was a big bull. And
<v Speaker 3>when you put that bull into a pasture, that pasture
<v Speaker 3>belonged to him. If you were on a horse, you
<v Speaker 3>could you could ride your horse out to the pasture.
<v Speaker 3>You could ride your horse right up to him. Or
<v Speaker 3>if you were in a truck, you could drive a
<v Speaker 3>truck right up to him. But if you walked out
<v Speaker 3>on that pasture and two legs, this thing would he
<v Speaker 3>would try to kill you. I mean, it was something
<v Speaker 3>about somebody walking at two legs pissed him off, and
<v Speaker 3>he would literally try he would try to kill you. Uh.
<v Speaker 3>So this brain was down there and this bramer was
<v Speaker 3>I mean, man, these things were just screaming and raising hell.
<v Speaker 3>And I hollered at Dad and I said, what the
<v Speaker 3>hell what is that? And Dad said, get your gun.
<v Speaker 3>A bear is attacking the cattle. I thought, oh shit,
<v Speaker 3>So I ran in the house and I grabbed my rifle.
<v Speaker 3>It was a thirty thirty. I came back out and
<v Speaker 3>I went down the stairs of the balcony and Dad
<v Speaker 3>just had some little cheap ass flashlight. It wouldn't even
<v Speaker 3>throw a beam, not anywhere close to that far. But
<v Speaker 3>but you could hear them. I mean, this bear, this bear,
<v Speaker 3>and that bramer bull were hooked up and the cattle
<v Speaker 3>were raising hell. You know, you could hear them run
<v Speaker 3>from one side to the other. And I told Dad,
<v Speaker 3>I said, look, I'm gonna jump in the truck and
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna drive around the hill and I'm gonna drive
<v Speaker 3>up to the edge of the creek and I'm gonna
<v Speaker 3>put the lights on bright and see if you can
<v Speaker 3>get a shot, and maybe I can get a shot too.
<v Speaker 3>And so I took off to the truck and my
<v Speaker 3>mom said, Bobby said, I'm going with you. Wait a minute.
<v Speaker 3>So Mom jumped in the truck. Off we went. We
<v Speaker 3>drove around the hill, got to the bottom, drove up
<v Speaker 3>up to the creek, pulled up to the edge of
<v Speaker 3>the creek and put the lights on bright and I
<v Speaker 3>jumped out and I went to the front of the
<v Speaker 3>truck and you could see this thing was standing right
<v Speaker 3>on the other side of the creek. And I did
<v Speaker 3>it was frick This thing was. It was massive, it
<v Speaker 3>was huge, and it was just standing there. I couldn't
<v Speaker 3>I could not see any reflection from my eyes from
<v Speaker 3>my truck lights. And Mom started to get out of
<v Speaker 3>the truck and I told Mom, I said, don't get
<v Speaker 3>out of the truck, stay in. I said, this thing's
<v Speaker 3>this thing's too damn big. You know, we're not staying
<v Speaker 3>down here, because he was only hell, this thing was
<v Speaker 3>probably at best thirty yards in front of me, twenty
<v Speaker 3>yards just on the other side of the creek. And
<v Speaker 3>I told Mom, I said, get in the truck. We're leaving.
<v Speaker 3>You know this this thing's So we drove around and
<v Speaker 3>got back to the house and I jumped out of
<v Speaker 3>the truck and I said, did you see that? Did
<v Speaker 3>you see him? And Dad said that fucking thing is huge?
<v Speaker 3>And he said stay here, look after your mom. He said,
<v Speaker 3>I'm going up to I don't want to mention the
<v Speaker 3>little town it was that, but Dad said he was
<v Speaker 3>going up there and he was going to wake some
<v Speaker 3>people up and get him down here. They were going
<v Speaker 3>to kill the they were going to hunt this bear
<v Speaker 3>down and kill it. So me and Mom stayed on
<v Speaker 3>the balcony at the railing and by this time, oh,
<v Speaker 3>this is probably I don't know, four o'clock in the morning,
<v Speaker 3>five is somewhere in there. And uh, the fight, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>all the growling and all that craft was over with.
<v Speaker 3>But you could still hear that bull. I mean that
<v Speaker 3>bull was snorting and raising hell and and he was
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't see him yet, but you could hear he
<v Speaker 3>was trotting, trot to the left, turn around, trot to
<v Speaker 3>the right. And uh, my guess was he was he
<v Speaker 3>was playing guard dog. Uh, to the right and to
<v Speaker 3>the left had the cattle behind him, So so this thing,
<v Speaker 3>this bear wasn't going to get to the cattle. And
<v Speaker 3>you could definitely hear him doing that, and he was snorting.
<v Speaker 3>He would raise up his front legs and he would
<v Speaker 3>thunder him down on the ground. He was pissed. And uh,
<v Speaker 3>but you never heard the bear, all the growling, all
<v Speaker 3>that stuff, it was gone went away. Well it got
<v Speaker 3>it got light to where you could see and you
<v Speaker 3>could start making out the cattle down there, and you
<v Speaker 3>can start making out that bramer bull and he was
<v Speaker 3>still running back and forth protecting those cattle. And uh,
<v Speaker 3>it was about that time Dad showed up and he
<v Speaker 3>had there was a jeep behind him with four guys
<v Speaker 3>in it. There was a truck behind him with three
<v Speaker 3>guys in it. I told him what had happened, that
<v Speaker 3>the fight ended shortly after he left the bear. I
<v Speaker 3>can't see the bear. I don't think he's down there.
<v Speaker 3>The bulls down there, and he is pissed, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>Dad said, well, all right, just stay here, we're going
<v Speaker 3>down there. Well, they drove across the creek and went
<v Speaker 3>to you know where the fight happened at and all
<v Speaker 3>that shit, and then they took off three different directions
<v Speaker 3>trying to track this thing down. And as it got light,
<v Speaker 3>that bull standing there, and that man, that bull had
<v Speaker 3>he had slashes and blood on his hump, on both
<v Speaker 3>of his shoulders, both sides of his the front left
<v Speaker 3>and side of the front, on the side of his neck.
<v Speaker 3>He had blood on his horns. I mean it was
<v Speaker 3>he had blood on him and and I'm all that
<v Speaker 3>was not his I mean, he was still standing loud
<v Speaker 3>and proud. I mean, he you couldn't tell he was
<v Speaker 3>hurt at all. And uh so we figured, well, if
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't for this bramer, you know, how that bear
<v Speaker 3>would you know he hell, he got a caf or too.
<v Speaker 3>But uh and and that's where we let that go.
<v Speaker 3>That was a bear big bear, really big bear, and
<v Speaker 3>him and the bramer, you know, the bramer protected the
<v Speaker 3>cattle from this thing, and hopefully he heard it, and
<v Speaker 3>so Dad and them they you know, a few two
<v Speaker 3>three four hours later, they came back and they never
<v Speaker 3>they never found it. Uh, nothing ever happened from it.
<v Speaker 3>And so we were there for a few nights after that.
<v Speaker 3>We were pretty much on twenty four alert, keeping after
<v Speaker 3>the cattle, and and nothing else ever happened. That never
<v Speaker 3>happened again. Well, go back to when I'm watching all
<v Speaker 3>these YouTube videos. The first bigfoot somebody showed that was
<v Speaker 3>standing there with his back to him. You know, that
<v Speaker 3>popped up into my mind. I thought, holy shit, that's
<v Speaker 3>exactly what that was. That wasn't a bear standing there
<v Speaker 3>because it was just too tall, and the shoulders were
<v Speaker 3>squared off, if you know what I mean. I mean
<v Speaker 3>they were wide and squared off the bears shoulders like
<v Speaker 3>a player. Yeah, exactly. Bears. If you ever seen a
<v Speaker 3>bear the way they stand, big dam yeah you know. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I thought, son of a bitch, that's what that was. Now. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>taking take take into account that the guy that owned
<v Speaker 3>the ranch told us when we moved there that the
<v Speaker 3>bear have been coming out of the mountains for quite
<v Speaker 3>a while in the winter attacking his cattle. So all
<v Speaker 3>this time, this guy's thinking, these are bears doing this
<v Speaker 3>m and how long this has been going on, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, but you know for year years from the
<v Speaker 3>way that this guy was telling us, you know, that's
<v Speaker 3>why they moved the cattle, and so that's been happening
<v Speaker 3>for quite a while. So yeah, So after seeing those
<v Speaker 3>pictures of one standing back to you, you're looking at
<v Speaker 3>their back, I thought, son of a bitch, that's what
<v Speaker 3>that was. And then it got to bother me. Why
<v Speaker 3>didn't I see its eyes reflection in the lights of
<v Speaker 3>my truck? You know, I couldn't, And I thought I
<v Speaker 3>couldn't figure that out for a while, and then it
<v Speaker 3>dawned on me one day, said, look, this thing probably
<v Speaker 3>weighed six eight hundred, maybe nine hundred pounds, and it
<v Speaker 3>had been in a fight with a two thousand pound
<v Speaker 3>Bramer bull for the last I don't know, three hours,
<v Speaker 3>two hours. He wasn't taking his eyes off that bull.
<v Speaker 3>That bull was kicking his ass.
<v Speaker 2>Right pretty much. He was paying you guys no attention.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, and he was he was watching that bull That's
<v Speaker 3>why I didn't see his eyes because he weren't he
<v Speaker 3>wasn't facing us. Yeah, and I can gart, I know,
<v Speaker 3>be on a shadow of doubt that bull put a
<v Speaker 3>hurting on him, a big hurt because that the blood
<v Speaker 3>that was on. Now, the bull had some pretty deep
<v Speaker 3>scratches in him, but he's sure as hell didn't act
<v Speaker 3>like it. Man. I mean, yeah, that was a big
<v Speaker 3>ass bull. But that happened, and then at dawned that's
<v Speaker 3>when all this stuff started clicking. On that event, yeah, thought,
<v Speaker 3>son of a bitch man, you know, that was that
<v Speaker 3>was just unforbelievable.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, so you think the brahma bulls protecting the
<v Speaker 1>rest of the herd, and the predator was trying to
<v Speaker 1>get one of the smaller cows or whatever the calves. Right,
<v Speaker 1>the big one just wasn't having it and he just
<v Speaker 1>couldn't get through, not on exactly that.
<v Speaker 3>And and the bigfoot was on two legs, m and anything.
<v Speaker 3>You know, Uh, a person, it didn't matter what you were.
<v Speaker 3>If you weren't two legs and you walked out in
<v Speaker 3>the same pasture he was, he would he would he
<v Speaker 3>would try to kill you. He wouldn't try to run
<v Speaker 3>you down and kill you. There was something about two legs. Now,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know when, if the bull was younger, if
<v Speaker 3>he did the rodeo circuit, and uh, all the bull
<v Speaker 3>riders and all that stuff, you know, were riding him
<v Speaker 3>and they pissed him off. And that's what the thing
<v Speaker 3>about two legs was. I don't know, man, I couldn't.
<v Speaker 2>Tell you for me.
<v Speaker 1>I just think bulls they just don't like people when
<v Speaker 1>it comes to mature bulls, true. I mean the ones
<v Speaker 1>that I've seen because my family they're from Mexico, and man,
<v Speaker 1>they're just ruthless. But up here my friends that have
<v Speaker 1>cattle and they got bulls, they're pretty calm, they're pretty chill.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't approach them either, so I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the ones down south, man, they're they're they're wild.
<v Speaker 2>They just want to.
<v Speaker 3>Kill exactly exactly. They do not like you in their territory.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, So.
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to the first encounter. When
<v Speaker 1>this thing was on your side of the bank and
<v Speaker 1>it was getting ready to cross the creek, did you
<v Speaker 1>get like a view of the figure like in like
<v Speaker 1>you can see like a shadow like it was all black.
<v Speaker 3>No, it was uh you can.
<v Speaker 2>Only hear it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, the eyes that you saw when it
<v Speaker 1>when it went up, about how tall do you think
<v Speaker 1>it was standing?
<v Speaker 3>Shit, dude, Now you got if you think, since that
<v Speaker 3>side of the bank was where the erosion was from
<v Speaker 3>the water, it was higher up than where we were
<v Speaker 3>laying from the inside of the creek. It was probably
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, three or four foot taller ground wise
<v Speaker 3>from where we were at. And then and then you
<v Speaker 3>add on top of that the height of this thing.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, man, it was. It was a long ways
<v Speaker 3>up there. I would have to say ten to fifteen
<v Speaker 3>feet at least. I mean it was, it was. And
<v Speaker 3>that's just a guess because I don't know. I can't
<v Speaker 3>tell you exactly how much higher that bank on the
<v Speaker 3>other side was and we were, and exactly how tall
<v Speaker 3>this thing was.
<v Speaker 1>But the eyeshine they seemed to be pretty big eyeballs.
<v Speaker 1>I was huge, Yeah, like the size of like a
<v Speaker 1>coke can or even bigger than that.
<v Speaker 3>Dude, I'm probably exaggerating here, but they looked like they
<v Speaker 3>were the size of a dinner blake. Okay, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>and I know n that was fear because I was
<v Speaker 3>mesmerized on the eyes. I could not take my eyes
<v Speaker 3>off those eyes. I just could not get over the
<v Speaker 3>fact how how red, how big, and how far they
<v Speaker 3>were off the ground.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And and until Junior shot his shotgun, until I saw
<v Speaker 3>the flame from his shotgun come out of a barrel,
<v Speaker 3>I was just mesmerized. I was I didn't know what
<v Speaker 3>was going on around me. And when what did you think?
<v Speaker 3>What did you think when you first heard the gun blast?
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't tell you your thoughts. Okay, I could not
<v Speaker 3>tell you. I didn't know what happened. I didn't know.
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't sure what that flame was.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>It snapped me out of this mesmerization or whatever the
<v Speaker 3>hell you want to call it, with me fixed on
<v Speaker 3>this thing's eyes, and that scared me. I mean, I'm
<v Speaker 3>sure I jumped off the ground a little bit. But
<v Speaker 3>when that thing, when that thing and Junior only he
<v Speaker 3>was only using hell, he only had like bird shot
<v Speaker 3>and a shotgun that we would use for squirrels and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>so you know, number six shots, seven and a half
<v Speaker 3>something like that. Yeah, but when it.
<v Speaker 1>So, it didn't even says that the animal that shot
<v Speaker 1>most like it just pissed it off.
<v Speaker 3>It pissed it off bad because when that thing went
<v Speaker 3>to screaming and roaring. If you've ever been in a
<v Speaker 3>creek bottom, when a really really loud noise happens, m hm,
<v Speaker 3>it goes everywhere and it's magnified.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean it sounds like do what what
<v Speaker 2>it sound like? When it got hit?
<v Speaker 3>It sounded like a scream, roar, growl combination. Huh.
<v Speaker 1>How long did it last? Was it one vocalization or
<v Speaker 1>was it a bunch of them going off? I mean
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of them, like a bunch of individuals, but
<v Speaker 1>just a bunch of different sounds that it was making lows, highs, growls.
<v Speaker 3>It was. It was a bunch of different sounds, and
<v Speaker 3>it was continuous. Okay, okay. And and when that happened,
<v Speaker 3>I was up and I was gone. I was not
<v Speaker 3>hanging around no more. I was done, you know, because
<v Speaker 3>this thing hell this thing could have gave hell Ship
<v Speaker 3>two good jumps and it would have been right on
<v Speaker 3>top of us. And I was done. I was man,
<v Speaker 3>I was done. It was were I was hauling ass.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think he followed you? Out of there.
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't really.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I think it stayed right there and it tore the
<v Speaker 3>ship out of the Paul Paul thickets. It was roaring. Uh. No,
<v Speaker 3>I think it stayed right there. And when it when
<v Speaker 3>it after we left and it got over, it's tantrum,
<v Speaker 3>I guess if you want to call a tantrum getting
<v Speaker 3>your ass shot with bird shot. But uh, when it
<v Speaker 3>when it was done, I'm sure it left. Uh probably
<v Speaker 3>went back the same way it came. I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>but it did not come across the creek. It didn't
<v Speaker 3>mess with any of our stuff that was there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you guys find any tracks when you went back?
<v Speaker 3>Uh? We didn't mean, Junior didn't we. Junior and I
<v Speaker 3>didn't even go to that side of the creek.
<v Speaker 2>His dad went over there, that's right, His dad didn't.
<v Speaker 3>He said it was Yeah, it was to And we
<v Speaker 3>could see that as far as the popap thinkets go
<v Speaker 3>from where we were at, we could see that this
<v Speaker 3>thing it snapped a lot of them off and it
<v Speaker 3>just jerked a lot am on the ground.
<v Speaker 1>Right, And at the time you probably didn't know it.
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if you'd go back anyways. But
<v Speaker 1>if you went back, you would probably find structures and
<v Speaker 1>just experienced strange things while you were in the area.
<v Speaker 1>But like you said, that was a while back, and
<v Speaker 1>who knows, it could still be going on today.
<v Speaker 3>And I would put money it is because the last
<v Speaker 3>time I googled Earth that area, Uh, from that area
<v Speaker 3>all the way down to the ranch where I had
<v Speaker 3>these sidings in the ranch, all that's still the same. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Now, can you describe the ranch a little bit like it?
<v Speaker 1>Does it have like a huge valley in the middle,
<v Speaker 1>like of pasture and then like two huge bluffs on
<v Speaker 1>each side, or maybe it's built like a stadium, kind
<v Speaker 1>of like a giant stadium. Can you describe the train
<v Speaker 1>a little bit?
<v Speaker 3>The terrain? Uh, the only real usable part of the
<v Speaker 3>ranch to raise cattle, horses, you know, any kind of livestock.
<v Speaker 3>It is down there around the house. Uh. If you
<v Speaker 3>cross the creek where this fight happened at, that pasture
<v Speaker 3>by itself was probably a mile wide and it was
<v Speaker 3>probably three miles long. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So how big is the ranch?
<v Speaker 3>It was fifty five hundred acres.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah, that's huge.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was many neighbors. How many neighbors are there?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many neighbors could you have with the
<v Speaker 1>drink that Well.
<v Speaker 3>The only neighbor we had was two miles away, and
<v Speaker 3>that was when you when when you drove the road
<v Speaker 3>to leave the ranch she was, it was a mile
<v Speaker 3>to get off the ranch, and then when you left
<v Speaker 3>the ranch, it was a mile down the section line
<v Speaker 3>dirt road to her place, and that was that was
<v Speaker 3>the closest house to us.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I want to go to the part where
<v Speaker 1>you were hunting and you were going up the the
<v Speaker 1>bluff or the mountain and you got up into that
<v Speaker 1>little cave.
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to say when you were telling.
<v Speaker 1>Me that, that was my thought that when you got
<v Speaker 1>in there, that thing new year coming and you just
<v Speaker 1>kind of disappeared. So he came down to check to
<v Speaker 1>see where you were at, and he never saw you,
<v Speaker 1>so he left. That's what I kind of got before
<v Speaker 1>you told me that. Oh really, Yeah, that was the
<v Speaker 1>sense I got. But yeah, I think once you got
<v Speaker 1>onto that bedrock.
<v Speaker 3>You couldn't hear you anymore. I think they can just hear.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Some people say they can't hear any better than any
<v Speaker 1>other animal, but I think they can and I know
<v Speaker 1>it sounds strange. But I was watching the show last
<v Speaker 1>night and they were talking about t rexes. It was
<v Speaker 1>a documentary about dinosaurs, but they were saying that the
<v Speaker 1>t rexes could hear through their feet, and I thought, man,
<v Speaker 1>that's strange. You know, if something could do that from
<v Speaker 1>a long time ago, maybe it's possible that an undiscovered
<v Speaker 1>animal could be doing that today.
<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, no, it's kind of it's kind of a
<v Speaker 4>weird one, but who knows, right, yeah, yeah, And as
<v Speaker 4>far as t rex goes, I think hearing through the feet,
<v Speaker 4>I think that'd be more feeling of vibration.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, vibration. But I mean maybe they're so connected with
<v Speaker 1>the earth. You know, we wear shoes, you know, we're
<v Speaker 1>wearing a rubber sole, so there is energy and magnetics
<v Speaker 1>going through the earth. We're not connected to it anymore.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>These animals, they got big feet, they have their senses,
<v Speaker 1>are just hyper aware.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe that's how they're doing it.
<v Speaker 1>Because for me, the ones that I snuck up on,
<v Speaker 1>I was wearing crocs and I was walking on asphalt
<v Speaker 1>paved road because one part of our driveway is paved,
<v Speaker 1>and I was sneaking through there and I don't think
<v Speaker 1>you heard me. But some people, you know, researchers, say
<v Speaker 1>that they let me see them. But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>When I saw the Sasquatch as I did, they seemed
<v Speaker 1>really surprised. Yeah, just like they got busted.
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't wearing heavy shoes that I was wearing the crocs,
<v Speaker 1>and I was walking on asphalt, not leaves or anything.
<v Speaker 1>An asphalt. You would think, you know, I'm in town
<v Speaker 1>or something. No, that's just how our driveway is way
<v Speaker 1>out the middle of nowhere.
<v Speaker 3>Instead, I don't think that they just let you see
<v Speaker 3>them because they have dealt with humans. Us started off
<v Speaker 3>with the Indians for hundreds of years, and hell, we
<v Speaker 3>shoot him. They know that, you know. So yeah, I've
<v Speaker 3>only talked to one person that I believe this one
<v Speaker 3>let him see him because he was telling him if
<v Speaker 3>you f with me, I will kill you. And that
<v Speaker 3>happened in southeast Oklahoma. This old boy was at the
<v Speaker 3>fence line at his pasture and at the far end
<v Speaker 3>of his pasture. He said this was an alpha male.
<v Speaker 3>He said this thing was a solid fifteen foot He said,
<v Speaker 3>this massive thing walked out of his pasture and looked
<v Speaker 3>straight at him, and he said he got the feeling
<v Speaker 3>that this thing was saying, if you shoot me, mess
<v Speaker 3>with me, I am going to kill you. And said
<v Speaker 3>he turned around and walked back in the woods, and
<v Speaker 3>he said, no, I'll come back tomorrow. Yeah, and and
<v Speaker 3>and of all the stories I've heard and what and
<v Speaker 3>the ones I experienced, that was the only one that
<v Speaker 3>I think intentionally let him seem But at the same time,
<v Speaker 3>I think it was given him a warning, right, And
<v Speaker 3>it was definitely an alpha male. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't even gonna wait for him to come into
<v Speaker 1>the woods or try to throw some rocks or maybe
<v Speaker 1>do some rocks. He just came straight out and let
<v Speaker 1>him know that he was there right right.
<v Speaker 3>And from all all the information I've gathered and people
<v Speaker 3>that I've talked to, that is the attitude of an
<v Speaker 3>alpha male. M hm, the alfa male, alfa male. And
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna play games with you, Uh, he will, He'll
<v Speaker 3>straight up, you'll disappear, ye, where whereas other ones will
<v Speaker 3>throw rocks or you know the old howl, or parallel
<v Speaker 3>walk you or you know crap like that to scare
<v Speaker 3>you to get you out of an area. Uh. I
<v Speaker 3>really believe in alpha male has got that attitude. He
<v Speaker 3>will get you out of the area and you will
<v Speaker 3>never be seen again. Right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but I hear that a lot that are
<v Speaker 1>completely different.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's a completely different animal. But I guarantee
<v Speaker 3>you they have they have damn good hearing, and they
<v Speaker 3>have damn good eyesight. Yeah, and that and that with
<v Speaker 3>that with that person what you said that that person
<v Speaker 3>told you that their their here, their hearing is not
<v Speaker 3>any better than any other animal. Uh. You know how
<v Speaker 3>damn good animals can hear in the woods, right, I
<v Speaker 3>mean the pretty good. Yeah, their life depends on it,
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, they can hear the house far Yeah
<v Speaker 3>for sure. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of Native American culture still left
<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma, at least I noticed that when I drive
<v Speaker 1>through there a lot of a lot of Indian stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Are there any natives that you could talk to today
<v Speaker 1>that know about Sasquatch around you or maybe you've met
<v Speaker 1>on the internet or I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Well, like I said, I'm in North Carolina right now.
<v Speaker 3>My my uncle Okay, my uncle's got cancer and my
<v Speaker 3>aunt's not doing good. So I came out here, uh
<v Speaker 3>to take O take my uncle to his appointments and
<v Speaker 3>all that crap. When I get back by Uh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>there's there's some Indians I grew up with that I
<v Speaker 3>can talk to about this, and I would rather talk
<v Speaker 3>to their dads or their grandparents. But uh, but here
<v Speaker 3>in North Carolina, that's.
<v Speaker 2>What I was there, so oh sorry, go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>Well, when I get back to Oklahoma, I plan on
<v Speaker 3>all these places where I've had all these you know,
<v Speaker 3>experience on the ranch and up there at the creek
<v Speaker 3>by Junior's place, I'm going back to. I'm gonna find
<v Speaker 3>out who owns the ranch now and try to get
<v Speaker 3>permission to just go back out to all these areas
<v Speaker 3>and you know, just see what I can find or
<v Speaker 3>hear or anything else.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think you'd be shocked that maybe they're
<v Speaker 1>experiencing some of the same things you did, right.
<v Speaker 3>Right, And whether they know what it is or not,
<v Speaker 3>but I can guarantee you, well, I'm pretty sure I
<v Speaker 3>can guarantee you that they're they're they have to be
<v Speaker 3>experiencing it to a certain degree, whether they know what it.
<v Speaker 1>Is or not, right, Yeah, And it makes me wonder
<v Speaker 1>how many people you know have heard something come up
<v Speaker 1>on them in woods, or maybe found like a deer
<v Speaker 1>with a broken neck, or heard the breathing.
<v Speaker 2>Like you did but couldn't figure it out, or saw
<v Speaker 2>like a man like being walking across the creek.
<v Speaker 1>How many people see that stuff and just completely toss
<v Speaker 1>it out of their mind and say, oh, it's nothing
<v Speaker 1>and never really think ever that it was bigfoot, or
<v Speaker 1>even if they do, they never really research it, so
<v Speaker 1>they never think back to be like, oh, my god,
<v Speaker 1>that's what that was. That rabbit missing the head right
<v Speaker 1>on my doorstep.
<v Speaker 2>You know who knows. I don't know whatever it was.
<v Speaker 3>Right, I man, I can I can guarantee you so
<v Speaker 3>much of that goes on, you know, and even from
<v Speaker 3>people that want to have sttings. I've spent so many
<v Speaker 3>years in the woods, and you can go out to
<v Speaker 3>any section of woods and you can look just look,
<v Speaker 3>you know, try to look fifty sixty feet into the woods,
<v Speaker 3>and ninety percent of what you're going to see is black.
<v Speaker 2>Oh.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, when you look at trees that far in
<v Speaker 3>the woods, they look black. They're dark, and you're not
<v Speaker 3>gonna see that's right, the half head of something hiding
<v Speaker 3>behind that tree, just sticking half of their head out
<v Speaker 3>keeping an eye on you. You're not especially.
<v Speaker 1>They're more intelligent than us as far as being out
<v Speaker 1>in the forest, and there's multiple ones working together, so
<v Speaker 1>it's not like a deer a bear just walking out
<v Speaker 1>in front of you. That's what people want with Bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>They're like, well, why aren't through pictures, Why aren't there
<v Speaker 1>any videos?
<v Speaker 2>Where's all the proof? You know.
<v Speaker 1>It's the point of this not being discovered and people
<v Speaker 1>telling their stories is that they're obviously smarter than us.
<v Speaker 2>That's why they're not.
<v Speaker 3>I think we taught them to be that smart. Now,
<v Speaker 3>when I say we, I'm talking about number one, my
<v Speaker 3>ancestors from one two hundred years ago. I mean even
<v Speaker 3>far back as nineteen fifty, when when somebody see one
<v Speaker 3>in the woods and the hell they start shooting at it.
<v Speaker 3>You know, you learn pretty damn quick what's out there
<v Speaker 3>that's trying to kill you? And you will.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even before.
<v Speaker 1>Even before the white man got here, I mean, there
<v Speaker 1>were good tribes and they were bad tribes, and some
<v Speaker 1>of the tribes you didn't want to mess with.
<v Speaker 2>You know, And so you know, the Indians knew that
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to keep moving.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>They've just they've always seen humans horribly and do things
<v Speaker 2>to each other.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And and that's you know that, that's why they
<v Speaker 3>want to stay the hell away from us, And that's
<v Speaker 3>why they won't hesitate. Uh, they won't hesitate to make
<v Speaker 3>us disappear, because it's it's yeah, you know, it's life
<v Speaker 3>or death to them. Mm hmm. And they are you know,
<v Speaker 3>they're they're smart. I mean uh uh yeah, they're a
<v Speaker 3>hell of a lot smarter than we are now technology wise,
<v Speaker 3>not but when it comes to survival and wood skills
<v Speaker 3>and surviving in the woods ship, yeah there there they
<v Speaker 3>got us beat by so much.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, survival for a human, I mean, I think
<v Speaker 1>it only goes so far. You're only going to be
<v Speaker 1>out there for so long. Some someone's gonna find you.
<v Speaker 1>It was these creatures means forever, never getting caught, and
<v Speaker 1>that's the true definition of survival.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. That's where they live. When we walk out into
<v Speaker 3>the woods, we are in their living room.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm oh yeah exactly.
<v Speaker 3>And oh go ahead, Well you mentioned uh stick structures
<v Speaker 3>earlier mm hmm. I've only I've on' had one experience
<v Speaker 3>walking up on what I know now to be stick structures. Yeah, uh,
<v Speaker 3>that was hunting up the hill or working my way
<v Speaker 3>up a mountain, and I was squirrel hunting because it
<v Speaker 3>was hell. It was summertime. It was probably late summer,
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing. And I came up on an area where
<v Speaker 3>the trees. It was on the side of the hill
<v Speaker 3>where the trees and probably I don't know, fifty yards,
<v Speaker 3>sixty yard, oh circle, semicircle. All the trees were blown
<v Speaker 3>down all different directions. And when I first looked at that,
<v Speaker 3>I thought, well, that must have been or a tornado
<v Speaker 3>last spring must have came through here and just dropped
<v Speaker 3>down and went straight back up. I mean, that's the
<v Speaker 3>only that's the only thing that could have done this,
<v Speaker 3>and it was you were not going to walk through it.
<v Speaker 3>That shit was just too thick, and so you had
<v Speaker 3>to walk around it. And when you walked around it,
<v Speaker 3>you had to go back up the hill towards the top.
<v Speaker 3>So that's what I did. And when I got up
<v Speaker 3>to the edge to where the blowdown went back down
<v Speaker 3>the hill at the at the highest part of the blowdown,
<v Speaker 3>there was a two trees up there stuck together to
<v Speaker 3>make uh like an X. And I looked at that
<v Speaker 3>and I just assumed that that was part of the
<v Speaker 3>tornado that dropped down and didn't blow the trees down.
<v Speaker 3>They just got wedged together. But it made an next
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't pay it any any mine, and I
<v Speaker 3>just took off kept hunting, and you know, back to
<v Speaker 3>watching all the videos when I first started seeing the
<v Speaker 3>excess stick structures and different areas that of blowdowns, where
<v Speaker 3>they would I guess is where they would I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>be living temporarily. You know, that was like an early
<v Speaker 3>warning device because you were not going to go through
<v Speaker 3>there and be quiet, all right. And when and if
<v Speaker 3>you followed the edge all the way around, well that
<v Speaker 3>took you to the top of the hill, so you
<v Speaker 3>weren't going to turn around and come back down the
<v Speaker 3>other side. Uh, you know, it was going to divert
<v Speaker 3>you to another direction to keep you going. And and
<v Speaker 3>that ex up there, you know, was uh some kind
<v Speaker 3>of sign to other ones, you know, saying hey, we're
<v Speaker 3>close by here you know whatever, you know, and an
<v Speaker 3>address if you will. Yeah, But that that was the
<v Speaker 3>only thing that even closely resembled uh uh stick structures.
<v Speaker 3>And and it was later on that I learned that
<v Speaker 3>that tornadoes and mountains they don't do that, right, Tornadoes
<v Speaker 3>don't go up and down with mountains. They they're on
<v Speaker 3>a flat plane and they stay there.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that that convinced me that that definitely was
<v Speaker 3>that definitely was some kind.
<v Speaker 2>Of stick structures. Yeah, yeah, sounds like it.
<v Speaker 3>Uh oh man, and so much stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Are you're fine?
<v Speaker 1>Do you do you have any anything else major that's
<v Speaker 1>happened or would you say that's the bulk of it.
<v Speaker 3>Well, let's see, that would have been that would have
<v Speaker 3>been three. The last one I saw was seventy seventy five,
<v Speaker 3>November of seventy five. We we we were in school.
<v Speaker 3>It was before Thanksgiving and we were getting ready. They
<v Speaker 3>were gonna we had like a couple of days left
<v Speaker 3>before we were out of school for Thanksgiving break. Well,
<v Speaker 3>uh we a storm, a snow storm started to move in,
<v Speaker 3>and it started moving in that morning, and the talking
<v Speaker 3>school was well after lunch, if this snow is still
<v Speaker 3>coming down, they're just gonna they're gonna cut us loose.
<v Speaker 3>So me and a brother of mine that I grew
<v Speaker 3>up with, Daryl, uh, we were out of my car
<v Speaker 3>for lunch and I told Daryl, I said, man, this
<v Speaker 3>snow isn't gonna stop. They're gonna cut it. They're gonna
<v Speaker 3>send us home after lunch. Hell, let's let's just take off.
<v Speaker 3>Let's just go ahead and go. I said, we need to.
<v Speaker 3>There's there's a place with deer hunt off just off
<v Speaker 3>the highway on the ranch, and there was it was
<v Speaker 3>a pasture in the woods. Uh, it was a natural
<v Speaker 3>pasture in the woods. Somebody at some point in time,
<v Speaker 3>a long time ago came in and uh cut the
<v Speaker 3>trees out for firewood or whatever the hell for. But
<v Speaker 3>it turned into a pasture and there was always deer
<v Speaker 3>coming through that pasture, and I wanted there was the
<v Speaker 3>year before that there was three doughs that religiously you
<v Speaker 3>could count on them coming through that pasture in the
<v Speaker 3>late afternoon early evening. And uh so mine and Darrel's
<v Speaker 3>thought was, well, if the does are coming through there,
<v Speaker 3>still coming through there, especially in the rut, well we
<v Speaker 3>can probably catch one or two bucks cha coming behind
<v Speaker 3>the dose, and we'll take the bucks. So we thought,
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go back up there and we're just gonna sit.
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna climb up in trees and we're just gonna
<v Speaker 3>sit and wait and see it see if the does
<v Speaker 3>are still coming out there like they did the year before.
<v Speaker 3>So we get we pull off the highway and we
<v Speaker 3>head towards the ranch. We pull over, we get out.
<v Speaker 3>We walked down a when we crossed the fence, and
<v Speaker 3>we walked down a an old logging road. Oh, probably
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, half a mile, three quarters of a mile,
<v Speaker 3>and we turned to the left and we cross that
<v Speaker 3>fence and then you know, about a couple hundred yards
<v Speaker 3>from there was the edge of the field and uh,
<v Speaker 3>it was still snow, and the snow was coming down
<v Speaker 3>from left to right. It kind of, oh like a
<v Speaker 3>forty five dere angle fifty dr angle. The wind was blowing, Uh,
<v Speaker 3>not really hard, but it was blowing. And I was
<v Speaker 3>on the that would have been I was on the
<v Speaker 3>south side of this field, up in the tree. Darrel
<v Speaker 3>was on the east side of this field in a tree.
<v Speaker 3>The deer came out the west side of the woods
<v Speaker 3>into the field, and so we got up there and uh,
<v Speaker 3>now this is probably I don't know, one one thirty
<v Speaker 3>somewhere and there by the time we got there and
<v Speaker 3>got set up, and uh, I'm sitting there and I'm
<v Speaker 3>scanning left to right, I'm watching the field. I'm looking
<v Speaker 3>the whole tree line all the way around for anything
<v Speaker 3>to come out of the trees. And we're up there
<v Speaker 3>for about an hour, hour and a half something like that,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm scanning the other side, left right, and I
<v Speaker 3>notice at the edge of the field straight in front
<v Speaker 3>of me, on the other side the field, on the edge,
<v Speaker 3>there's two small trees. They're probably i'm gonna say six
<v Speaker 3>inches diameter. They were small, and they were identical, and
<v Speaker 3>there was a black I don't know, like a black
<v Speaker 3>dot if you want to say, it between the trees
<v Speaker 3>back behind them. And I looked at that and I thought,
<v Speaker 3>you know, hell, I couldn't tell what it was. I
<v Speaker 3>had no idea what it was. But it was just
<v Speaker 3>a black like dot glob thing, you know. And I
<v Speaker 3>watched it nothing, you know, And I thought I didn't
<v Speaker 3>see that before. I don't think I did. And I
<v Speaker 3>washed it and nothing. So I kept scanning left, right,
<v Speaker 3>left right, and about twenty thirty minutes maybe went by,
<v Speaker 3>and I looked back at that area and I stopped,
<v Speaker 3>and that black spot like looking thing was bigger, and
<v Speaker 3>so I zoomed in on it with my eyes and thought,
<v Speaker 3>what the hell, you know that. I don't remember that
<v Speaker 3>being that big before. And I kept watching it, looking
<v Speaker 3>at it, and I did not see no. I didn't
<v Speaker 3>see any arms move, I didn't see legs move. But
<v Speaker 3>this thing, it looked like looking between those two trees,
<v Speaker 3>that this black spot grew into something bigger and bigger
<v Speaker 3>and bigger, and it was kind of like it materialized
<v Speaker 3>between those two trees, and I knew it didn't materialize,
<v Speaker 3>but it was about one hundred yards from me, and
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking through a snow that's coming down at an
<v Speaker 3>angle and it was straight in front of me. So
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to see the arms move or any
<v Speaker 3>legs move because it's moving extremely slow to begin with.
<v Speaker 3>But it just kind of looked like it just like materialized,
<v Speaker 3>and I thought, what the hell, and I watched it nothing.
<v Speaker 3>I never saw it move. So I kept looking left
<v Speaker 3>to right, and I caught some movement and my peripheral
<v Speaker 3>vision on my left side and I looked over. Well,
<v Speaker 3>a doe walked out and she walked out into the
<v Speaker 3>field about I don't know, ten yards or so, and
<v Speaker 3>then another door behind her, and uh, well, two doughs
<v Speaker 3>came out behind her and they were smaller, so I
<v Speaker 3>figured that was her. She had a set of twins
<v Speaker 3>over spring. And then another my door walked out with
<v Speaker 3>another set of twins, and the the lead dough was
<v Speaker 3>about by by now, it was probably about twenty yards
<v Speaker 3>in front of the other ones, and the other ones
<v Speaker 3>were just milling around, you know, picking at grass and
<v Speaker 3>you know, stuff like that. And uh, something was wrong
<v Speaker 3>with that front door. I mean, she acted like she
<v Speaker 3>acted like something was bothering her, like she was on alert.
<v Speaker 3>And I thought, now, wait a minute, I know she didn't.
<v Speaker 3>She didn't smell me, she didn't see me. I've got
<v Speaker 3>the wind at my face, you know what, you know,
<v Speaker 3>what the hell's what's her problem? What's your She walked out,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, about another twenty yards, and she shot
<v Speaker 3>her nose up into the air and sniffed, turned around, blew,
<v Speaker 3>and they all hauled asked the same direction that came from.
<v Speaker 3>And I thought, you know, what the hell? You know
<v Speaker 3>what what happened? She didn't smell me, she didn't see me.
<v Speaker 3>Something scared her. So I looked back to where they went,
<v Speaker 3>and they were they were gone. They weren't coming back.
<v Speaker 3>So I kept scanning the field again looking for something that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe came out into the field that scared her,
<v Speaker 3>you know, a coyote, cat, something. I didn't see anything,
<v Speaker 3>and and I stopped. I looked back between those two trees,
<v Speaker 3>and that big black object is still standing there. I thought,
<v Speaker 3>what the hell, you know that that thing hasn't moved,
<v Speaker 3>and I know it wasn't there when I first got here.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not stupid, and I couldn't find out what happened
<v Speaker 3>to the deer. I looked back from the right to
<v Speaker 3>the left that black thing again, and I just stayed
<v Speaker 3>focused on it, trying to figure out what the hell
<v Speaker 3>that thing was, where it came from. And I was
<v Speaker 3>beginning to talk myself into well, maybe it was there
<v Speaker 3>the whole time, and I just you know, when I
<v Speaker 3>first noticed it, that was the first time I saw it,
<v Speaker 3>paid the attention to it, because this thing nothing moved.
<v Speaker 3>It never moved. And so it was about probably an
<v Speaker 3>hour or forty five minutes before the sun started set.
<v Speaker 2>And.
<v Speaker 3>I was looking at the field again. I looked back
<v Speaker 3>at that black object, and I could see this thing
<v Speaker 3>backed up straight back into the woods where it came from,
<v Speaker 3>and it looked like it kind of it looked like
<v Speaker 3>it just just dissolved, but it actually, I know it
<v Speaker 3>walked straight backwards. I just couldn't see the legs moved
<v Speaker 3>because I'm looking straight front at it. And yeah, I thought,
<v Speaker 3>oh shit, man, I know what that was. And I
<v Speaker 3>said it's time. It's time to leave. And I whistled Daryl.
<v Speaker 3>I jumped down out of the tree and we met
<v Speaker 3>at the fence. We climbed the fence and we were
<v Speaker 3>walking back down that logging road and I'm thinking about this,
<v Speaker 3>I know what the hell that was, man. And I
<v Speaker 3>looked at Daryl and I said, dude, did you see
<v Speaker 3>anything odd or strains on the other side of that field?
<v Speaker 3>And he stopped and he grabbed my right arm and
<v Speaker 3>spun me around and he said, was it between those
<v Speaker 3>two small oak trees? Did it look like one of
<v Speaker 3>those big black, bigfoot m efforts? And that's that's all
<v Speaker 3>the that's all that recognition I needed. We were gone.
<v Speaker 3>We ran back to my car and took off and
<v Speaker 3>back to these the videos, bigfoot videos. When that flashed
<v Speaker 3>backed at me, I thought, well, what well, that's what
<v Speaker 3>the deal. The hell that's what it was. That lead
<v Speaker 3>dough smelled it because the wind was out of the
<v Speaker 3>north northwest with that front coming through, and that bigfoot
<v Speaker 3>was on the he was on the north side of
<v Speaker 3>that field, and the deer came out of the west
<v Speaker 3>side of that field. So when she got almost halfway
<v Speaker 3>across that field, she'd smell it and it was time
<v Speaker 3>to leave. But I never smelled anything, you know, I've
<v Speaker 3>heard hell from all kinds of people, you know, watching
<v Speaker 3>the videos and talking to people that you know, they
<v Speaker 3>smell a really bad smell. Some say skunk, wet dog, trash, whatever.
<v Speaker 3>I never I never never smelled anything.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but.
<v Speaker 3>That's what it was. That that bigfoot had those deer
<v Speaker 3>patterns just like we did. And and I firmly believe
<v Speaker 3>he was at the edge of that field. He was
<v Speaker 3>he was out there to hunt, try to get.
<v Speaker 2>Some meat, right yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And when those deer took off, well it was time
<v Speaker 3>for him to go to Plan B, so he left too, right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well that's crazy that that he confirmed it for him. Well,
<v Speaker 1>you were thinking were you were, Well, you were looking at.
<v Speaker 3>Right exactly exactly. But you know, for there for a while,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I thought, well, why didn't I see it move,
<v Speaker 3>you know, And then I dawned on me that well,
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at snow and and he's coming straight at me,
<v Speaker 3>and he's he's he's moving so slow, you know, smooth
<v Speaker 3>and slow. Hell, I can't I can't see his legs
<v Speaker 3>move now. Daryl, on the other hand, yeah, I never did.
<v Speaker 3>I never did ask Daryl. But he was on the
<v Speaker 3>outside of that field, so he could have seen the legs.
<v Speaker 2>Move, right, He might have got a better look at.
<v Speaker 3>It, right exactly. He would have got more of a
<v Speaker 3>profile look at it than not end. But I never
<v Speaker 3>asked him about that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, well, yeah, it sounds like you've had a
<v Speaker 1>lot of activity happen in your life and you've paid attention.
<v Speaker 1>And I think because of that, you know, you've know,
<v Speaker 1>you know that you've experienced activity to where other people
<v Speaker 1>that if they just brushed it off, they they would
<v Speaker 1>never know right right.
<v Speaker 3>Well that you know, I just I was fortunate. I
<v Speaker 3>had fifty five hundred acres of nothing but mountains, trees
<v Speaker 3>and creaked huh. And when I wasn't working, you know,
<v Speaker 3>helping Dad with cattle horses whatever, I was in the woods.
<v Speaker 3>Mm hmm, I was in I was saying every animal
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma has to offer, and that includes mountain lions. Nope.
<v Speaker 3>I even for the first couple of years. Every once
<v Speaker 3>in a while, I would even see a timberwolf. Uh
<v Speaker 3>but that was only for the first couple of years.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, there was no bears in Oklahoma then or
<v Speaker 3>black panthers.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it definitely sounds like you had activity happening on
<v Speaker 1>that farm. And uh yeah, if you ever get a
<v Speaker 1>chance to go back, definitely let me know what you find.
<v Speaker 3>Oh I will, I'm I'm definitely going back. Uh uh never,
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, out of all that stuff, I never
<v Speaker 3>encountered anything that acted like it it wanted to do
<v Speaker 3>me harm. Well except for that first one in junior shot.
<v Speaker 3>I think he wanted to kill boths. But I mean
<v Speaker 3>other than that, right, you know, it's everything I saw experienced.
<v Speaker 3>Uh never, they didn't show any aggression. Now, the one
<v Speaker 3>that stood up above me on that cave, why he
<v Speaker 3>was following me, you know, I don't know. Maybe he
<v Speaker 3>thought I would be you know, i'd make a good meal,
<v Speaker 3>or maybe he just wanted to know what the hell
<v Speaker 3>I was doing in his territory.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it sounds like it. Yeah, it sounds like
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are just curious, and that's why
<v Speaker 1>they come in.
<v Speaker 2>They want to know what people are doing.
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you if you look at it and you
<v Speaker 3>you lived out there, I know, if I lived in
<v Speaker 3>the woods and somebody came, you know, walking through the
<v Speaker 3>woods that i' never seen before, you know, yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on them until I
<v Speaker 3>find out. You know, what the hell are you doing?
<v Speaker 3>You know, you're just passing through, try to do some harm,
<v Speaker 3>and they're gonna do the same thing. They're just animals.
<v Speaker 3>They're they're animals that know humans shoot at them. They
<v Speaker 3>want to stay away from us. Uh. They breath there,
<v Speaker 3>they bleed red blood, and they can die and they
<v Speaker 3>know it.
<v Speaker 2>All right.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I really appreciate you contacting me and.
<v Speaker 2>Telling us all your stories as a hunter.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I've never I've never talk to anybody about
<v Speaker 3>this other than me and Daryl when we would get
<v Speaker 3>together off and on over the years, you know, we
<v Speaker 3>we'd talk about it a little bit. But other than that,
<v Speaker 3>I've never sat down and told I've never told anybody
<v Speaker 3>all of everything.
<v Speaker 1>Right, So you never you never sent in your report
<v Speaker 1>to any organization or group.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>No, Uh, I did a few years ago. Let's see,
<v Speaker 3>was it? Yeah, I think it might have been a
<v Speaker 3>few years ago. Uh. Hell, even forgot about it. But
<v Speaker 3>one day I was listening to Dixie crypton Oh Cam.
<v Speaker 3>Uh he was one of them. I don't listen to much. Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I don't listen to a lot of stories anymore. Once
<v Speaker 3>in a while I will. I like the ones you've
<v Speaker 3>had on that. That's what intrigued me to touch base
<v Speaker 3>with you. But I sent I sent some information to Cam. Uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and see if he might be interested. And I told him,
<v Speaker 3>I said, look, I'm gonna be straight up with you.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>If you don't believe me, that's fine. I know it's
<v Speaker 3>a lot of shit. It's a lot of stuff to
<v Speaker 3>go through. But being in the middle of fifty five
<v Speaker 3>hundred acres where these things were at, uh, you know
<v Speaker 3>that that's your call. If you don't believe me, that's fine.
<v Speaker 3>I don't give a shit. If you believe me or not.
<v Speaker 3>If you want to hear the story, I'll tell you.
<v Speaker 3>If not, don't worry about it. Yeah, and uh, now
<v Speaker 3>it is. I've been fortunate that it happened the way
<v Speaker 3>it happened. I just wish I just wish back when
<v Speaker 3>it was happening, I would have knowledge on them then
<v Speaker 3>as I do now, right, I could have seen a
<v Speaker 3>lot more stuff. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were in the right spot to be looking.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm gonna do it again, get back.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. All right. Well, I think we're getting past
<v Speaker 2>our threshold here.
<v Speaker 1>And uh yeah, like I said before, I really appreciate
<v Speaker 1>you calling me and doing this video with me.
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's all right, man. I I listened to some
<v Speaker 3>of your videos you've done already, and uh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>you seem to be a uh you seem to be
<v Speaker 3>knowledgeable and trustworthy and uh and I thought, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I'll reach out to him. If he wants to hear
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell him, and if not, then I'll never bring
<v Speaker 3>it up again in my life. And you wanted to
<v Speaker 3>hear it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, awesome, all right, Well I appreciate it, and
<v Speaker 1>thank you.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you again for calling.
<v Speaker 3>Uh you bet man, thanks for reaching back out to me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll be in contact. I'll i'll message you, we'll
<v Speaker 1>talk some more. I'll tell you some of my theories
<v Speaker 1>and thoughts, and you can ask any questions you have
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and we'll keep in contacts as you go
<v Speaker 1>back to Oklahoma, or if you ever go back out there,
<v Speaker 1>we'll touch base.
<v Speaker 3>And oh yeah, i'll let you know when I'm going
<v Speaker 3>out there, and in the meantime, i'll and I know,
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of things that happened, like seeing the
<v Speaker 3>tracks in the snow that I thought was a bear,
<v Speaker 3>hearing the tree knock that I thought was not. There's
<v Speaker 3>a lot of shit that I have forgotten. I think
<v Speaker 3>of periodically one or two things. From now on, when
<v Speaker 3>I think of something, I'll take my notepad and I'll
<v Speaker 3>write it down. And yeah, and then maybe the next
<v Speaker 3>time we talk or next year, I can go over
<v Speaker 3>that with you and you can see if you've ever
<v Speaker 3>if you've heard that from somebody else or experienced it
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
<v Speaker 3>But Missouri is not that far oklahomless. And when I
<v Speaker 3>get back and get set up, uh, hell, we might
<v Speaker 3>put together. I might get you to come down there,
<v Speaker 3>and I'll take you out and show you these places,
<v Speaker 3>and we can spend a few nights out there and
<v Speaker 3>help maybe see if we can see or hear something.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, be nice to camp, cook up some
<v Speaker 1>deer meat and look around and see what we can find.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, bring a gun.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bring a gun. That's for sure.
<v Speaker 3>I will never ever go out there without a gun,
<v Speaker 3>right because chances are you're not going to come across
<v Speaker 3>one that's got a bad attitude, you know, or an
<v Speaker 3>alpha male. But the possibilities.
<v Speaker 2>There, right, Yeah, you never know.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 1>You did say you wanted me to keep your name
<v Speaker 1>out of this. You want to remain anonymous direct.
<v Speaker 3>Now it doesn't matter.
<v Speaker 1>That's fine, Okay, okay, Well I never said your name
<v Speaker 1>while we talked while we're while I was recording, but
<v Speaker 1>you know in the description, I'll just say Robert or
<v Speaker 1>if that works for you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's fun. That's fun. You know. Like I said,
<v Speaker 3>I don't uh and I'm sure you're gonna have You're
<v Speaker 3>probably gonna have uh so called haters Rattney about this.
<v Speaker 2>But it all not as not not really.
<v Speaker 1>With the stories, like the ones that I narrate are
<v Speaker 1>the ones that I do skype calls, I never get
<v Speaker 1>any bad comments.
<v Speaker 2>Never. It's just the people that do the documentaries.
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, something about the entertainment, you know, people aren't entertained.
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna hate on it something listening. If they don't
<v Speaker 1>like it, they're just not gonna listen to it.
<v Speaker 2>They're not even gonna get any time.
<v Speaker 3>Yep. Well, I've heard a lot of people bitch and
<v Speaker 3>whine about you know, how can how can you see
<v Speaker 3>so many of these things I've been looking for twenty
<v Speaker 3>years out of the woods. My aw is. You know, dude,
<v Speaker 3>you don't know what the fuck you're looking for? Right?
<v Speaker 1>I know hunters that hunt more than me, kill bigger
<v Speaker 1>deer than me, and they've probably never seen one or
<v Speaker 1>even thought about a structure, and they're always out there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you just and it took me years and years
<v Speaker 3>to learn it. But you just got to know what
<v Speaker 3>you're looking for.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, exactly, you know. So, yeah, it is what
<v Speaker 2>it is, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I think I'm gonna hop off here and
<v Speaker 1>get some lunch and get to work on this video.
<v Speaker 3>Well a good deal, dude,