Checking In With Trevor Jackson

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Speaker 1: The volume.

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Speaker 2: All right, Rory, we are back today.

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Speaker 3: We have a special guest, Yes, sir, now, Rory, this guest here. He's a very unique guest. He's like, you know, he's a child prodigy, child star, singer, dancer, songwriter, actor, probably models on the weekend. But he's a guy that I'm a fan of, been watching him for a long time, and he's here with us today, and he's in one of your favorite shows this upcoming season.

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Speaker 2: He will be on Gray's Anatomy of course.

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Speaker 3: Today we are joined by the talented Trevor Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: I feel great after that. I mean, sometimes you forget who you are and then someone says.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to give you your flowers.

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Speaker 3: But you're somebody that just in watching you know, uh film and obviously Broadway, Uh been seeing you throughout the years, watched you grow up. But to see what you're doing now and see the things that you're doing in your career and still add it's good to see black men, thank you're always doing good things and always sticking to what they want to do, so that it's a pleasure to meet you man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man. Nice to meet you. Guys too man, fan of the shows, new music, new music out.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about it tomorrow tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's called I Love You. It's an EP.

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Speaker 4: It's the first of a series that leads up to the album. The album is am I allowed to say the album title?

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 4: The album is I Love You Goodbye? The greatest breakup album of all time?

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Speaker 2: The greatest breakup album of all time?

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Speaker 5: Hold on, how do we get to the greatest breakup album of all time?

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Speaker 2: Where you come from?

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Speaker 5: Unless you had the greatest breakup of all time.

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Speaker 4: No, that's what I'm saying to me. It's the greatest breakup of all time. So I called it that.

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Speaker 2: Why is that.

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Speaker 4: I wrote it so close to my breakup in such an honest way?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's Did she hear it yet? Yeah? What did she say?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 2: What's her changed that back?

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Speaker 1: Like she probably heard some of it, know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: But he went from she heard it till she heard something the records.

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Speaker 4: So we weren't even talking right. But before my surgery, I was scared and I was like what I just you know, I get nervous about doctors, and I was like, what if something happened so I said it before my surgers like hey, and then she was just like, you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna be okay, basically being like.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's it whatever, Yeah, okay, but but I love you goodbye.

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Speaker 1: It was the last thing she said to me on the phone.

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Speaker 5: And that's why it's like, right before you're about to have surgery.

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Speaker 4: No that this was like a quick text, but on the phone when we last time we spoke, ever ever spoke, she was like, I love you goodbye, And I was like, this hurts me but also incredible.

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Speaker 2: Did you just hang the phone up on I love you goodbye? To's somebody that you was with?

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Speaker 1: Like and is it? Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that the closure?

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Speaker 1: Like that? That was it? That was it, and that's it made sense to me. It's like, yeah, we we love each other, but it's the same, right goodbye.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's healthy.

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Speaker 5: Do you take accountability on this greatest, greatest breakup of all time?

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Speaker 1: Uh? What do you mean take accountability the sentence?

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Speaker 5: And what and what way do you take accountability on the EPs and leading up to the project of your role in the relationship? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: And again, nobody did one thing or the other It's just it just wasn't right.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I'm the type of guy I feel like I would have held on forever, you know what I'm saying. And I was, you know, I'm like, this is it, this is my So I'm glad that it happened because where I am now, I would go through the pain again a million times. I tore my achilles. Also two weeks after we broke up, I tore my achilles. So I was really, yeah, right, that's what everybody was saying.

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Speaker 5: Or sometimes you purposely after hurts and see if she'll visit you in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Now I know what to think.

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Speaker 5: The court just went, it's not she liked me.

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Speaker 3: It's not as traumatic as what Lamar did in the Bunny Rams, like he killed hisself and came back to life like we walking to do that.

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Speaker 2: It worked, though it worked.

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Speaker 5: Tomorrow of them got his girl back absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So Trevor talked to us about what is it like growing up in front of the camera, man, like you play young Simba in the line came with a I mean you got that on your resume. Bodies is perking up at that point, but what is it like to come up in this industry as a child, grow up, become a man, go through everything in front of the camera, Like, what's that experience?

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Speaker 4: Life is hard enough as it is, so you add that it's definitely gonna be a little harder. But I'm thankful to have the family that I have and the support system that I had that I never I was never too concerned about people's opinion of me. And I feel like a lot of people in my position are always on the front.

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Speaker 1: What are they saying? Are they talking about me? Or they're being me? Like, you don't care about social media?

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Speaker 4: Like the only reason that's why I started doing the T mixes because I hated social media so much and everybody that I met or like, you got to be have social media presence. I was like, the only thing I feel comfortable doing people seeing me do is music.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: So I started doing the T mixes and that's kind of how that came about. But yeah, I'm thankful that I'm I'm so loved and I'm so supported by my family and my team that you know, I don't create for any anybody's approval, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: But what was Broadway like as it was being in that environment as a child.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate to be over first ever Broadway or State theater.

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Speaker 1: No. So the first thing I.

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Speaker 4: Did was the same called the Beefing Boards Christmas Show when I was eleven years when I was seven years old.

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Speaker 1: That was in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: It was like a local thing, but it was equity like it was a professional job right on stage.

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Speaker 1: And then while I was.

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Speaker 4: Doing that, everybody's like, you should do lin king, you should be linking. I auditioned, Uh. It was an open audition, five thousand kids. It was like a giant five thousand and I remember being there, you know, we're waiting whatever I auditioned. Didn't think I was gonna get it. They called me and I was one of the youngest that they've ever hired. You know, they wait till they're like nine or ten, but I was. I was like eight, Like I just turned eight.

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Speaker 2: But what's that? What's what's that?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: You getting that call that you were I'm screaming. There's a video of it at eight years old.

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Speaker 1: That has to be like, it's nuts. So I didn't get that call right. So my mom knew and she had.

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Speaker 4: A dinner at my grandmother's house, got rest my grandmother's so she just passed away, but we were all there just sitting and then she's like, so, Trev, just want to say, we're gonna have to leave soon because you're gonna be like it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm running up, grabbing, jumping on her like yeah, man.

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Speaker 4: And it felt like we did it, you know, because she right before that, we had gotten to a car accident, like really bad. I was like paralyzed for a few days. My spine was bruised so I couldn't move. And this was maybe like a week or two before. My mom was like because we were debating, she was like, I don't know if he really wants is he's just a kid saying this, Like but after the accident, after I was good, she's like, no, we're going, yeah, we're gonna go.

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Speaker 1: That's dope. Man.

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Speaker 2: How did she and your family balance that entire thing of you?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't easy. My dad was like, you're taking my son away, you know, my dad's family.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like you're just stealing around, you know.

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Speaker 4: And she's like, this is what he wants, you know, and she my mom always did good of asking me always you're still having fun, you still want to do this, Like, if you don't want to, we can go home. I'm like, what's the best time I've ever had? Like picture getting to go to a park or a playground, but in every city, Yeah, every city I get to go to him, going state parks, learning about new ways of you know, how people live in different cities.

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Speaker 1: It was dope. It was a training also from my hard work, my work ethic.

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Speaker 4: You know. We had eight shows a week, but because we were young, we could only do four and four. But if the other kid is sick, I'll have to do all eight shows, you know. So and if I didn't get to perform, my man like, if he's performing.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to be on stage.

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Speaker 3: So that's something you always wanted. Yeah, how did you How did you fall into music? Was music a big part of your family?

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Speaker 1: My family movies and music.

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Speaker 4: You know, they always just are watching movies, always well rounded with the type of music that they were listening to.

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Speaker 1: Go from Elton John to Brian McKnight to you know what I mean, it was just.

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Speaker 2: Very probably night. You're a little too young to know bout I.

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Speaker 1: Love Brian mcna. I can't wait for you to hear that album.

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Speaker 3: You know, I definitely want to hit the album. The record, the one footing record is is dope. But we had to talk off camerabout it being R and B. R and B but the album is an R and B. But that is a pop right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, for sure love it though.

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Speaker 4: By the way, my goal is to not be R and B and my goal is to be the biggest music artists of all time and be global.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to be boxing, Yeah, And I want to make music that I've been saying this word a lot.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like MLK, but freedom is is what I'm trying to promote with everything that I do in life. The way I do it, the type of music I make, the shows I picked, Like my life doesn't make sense for most people, right like how are you on TV? And then you do this and then you write a country song and you go over here and you do you know, But I'm just taking whatever's coming from wherever it's coming from, you know what I'm saying, and then I'm just releasing it and it feels good, and it feels good to be free.

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Speaker 2: What do you love, Mortal? Do you love the acting or I love music?

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Speaker 4: More only because it's closer to my chest. Right when I'm acting, I'm acting as someone else. I'm acting as another someone else wrote the word, someone else is telling me how to you know, directing me. But if I'm writing my music, it's oh man, it's so personal and it's so real, and it's it saves me.

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Speaker 1: Like I make music when I feel like I'm gonna explode.

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Speaker 4: Right, so with the breakup stuff, right when we broke up, I wrote the album in like two and a half weeks, you know what I'm saying. Like it was very fast. It was the quickest album I've ever made, made it, you know, and I just kept vomiting. I'm crying, recording, put my leg up, letting the blood roa right down.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm recording and I'm coming put my legs bad, and then I already have.

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Speaker 4: Backpains so from my achilles because the all these things, like I was just it was bad. Yeah, And that saved me being able to make that music and be like this shit is.

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Speaker 1: Are you know you're back your head back to yeah, Like that's life.

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Speaker 4: Though it doesn't even just have to be music, Like you'll bounce your head to moments that you did later in life that You're like, man, I really thought that was gonna end me, but it made me. You know, this is beautiful. So that's kind of what I want to know.

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Speaker 5: How did you navigate from the Broadway side to the music side?

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Speaker 2: What comes to production?

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Speaker 5: Was so a lot of resources come from people you met in the Broadway world.

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Speaker 4: No, No, So the Broadway was actually kind of really separate from my music stuff, right, So I did Broadway for three years. I toured on two years on the East Coast when y're on the West Coast, and then everybody was like, yo, this kid, like you guys got to make sure you ei to move to New York or LA.

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Speaker 1: New York LA. And I love to beach. I'm surfer, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, okay, we'll go to LA.

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Speaker 4: And I moved to LA when I was eleven on auditioning, trying to you know, make stuff happen. I got signed to Atlantic Records when I was fifteen. That was kind of hey, do this where this be this guy?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So I didn't even find my sound or like producers or the way I wanted to make music until me and my brother one day, were like, we're doing the next drum, We're gonna make all the songs, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: And that was in my feelings.

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Speaker 4: That was our first time writing, and it was funny the looks on our faces when we made a song. We're like, Oh, you don't have to get someone to write it. You don't have to get something like to be Also, you don't need a vocal I remember paying five grand out of my budget for a vocal producer.

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Speaker 1: And to be honest, most vocal producers can't sing almost all them, do you know?

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Speaker 6: I can sit there and that's not That's not how it supposed to Soundah, So what was the sound at this time when you were with Atlantic, Like what was happening in the industry as far as what.

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Speaker 1: Was the norm?

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Speaker 4: It was just if I guess at that time, I guess Trey's song is.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that kind of vibe, which I loved trade songs. I think trade songs is great, but it just felt very like Nietzche. You know, I just didn't I don't even if I said that word right, but you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: A lot of that over singing doesn't work for everybody else it works the tray, it doesn't work for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know and me too.

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Speaker 4: That Actually that was a big issue, was like I just sounded like other people. You know, I sounded like Chris or I sounded like this, and you know, I had to find my voice, but I would do it. I wouldn't change anything, man, Like I said, that's how I feel about life. Like where I am now, my sound is there. And we were actually we had an interview earlier today and they were talking about this ebolish commercial that I did for u Ezema and you can barely hear my voice in the back, but people call me, hey, is this you? Or even on Twitter. I'm like, y'all can tell my voice. Like so I felt like in that moment, I was like, yeah, my sound like it's.

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Speaker 2: Mean people recognize.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah is different though, white guy like.

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Speaker 2: It's worse. You can see it.

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Speaker 1: You're severe, We'll get you.

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Speaker 2: So you had you had a the Superfly movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, when that we had first heard of the supal Fly was coming out, I was like, I hope they don't fuck this up. Yeah, it's you know, old black blaxploitation. I guess that's what they call it film classic film Superfly. Yeah, but the the version that you did, I actually liked the movie, Like.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was cool.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't we get another, like a part two or like maybe like a TV because I felt like the movie was dope, but I felt like.

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Speaker 2: The story wasn't fool, it wasn't done.

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Speaker 3: It was like so many Yeah, like that was never a conversation at all.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people who want to do it too, and you know, but some of the producers and things that just didn't, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, work out. And for me, I was.

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Speaker 4: Cool with the one and done because uh, yeah, that was a moment, you know what I'm saying. I captured that moment. I captured that character and then I really said, now I'm on to the next thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And that's just kind of I felt about it.

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Speaker 4: And also, when you play something that's so iconic, you become that guy, the super yah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's true.

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Speaker 2: You get boxing, which you.

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Speaker 4: Know, there's Michael Jackson movie's about to come out, and you know, I could have audition for that and for that and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: If I kill it, it's bad.

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Speaker 4: And if I don't do it's bad, right because Michael Jackson and so I kind of try to be careful with that.

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Speaker 3: Are there any Are there any films TV? Any roles that you passed on that you look back and be like, damn.

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Speaker 2: Like I should have took that one.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, No, there's there's none that. I yeah, like it's the opposite, though.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of ones that I wish I had gotten, and I'm glad I didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: That happens a lot.

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Speaker 2: Which ones you auditioned for?

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Speaker 4: Uh said, nice, Okay, what you mean. I'm a professor, But there's some just projects. I'm like, Okay, that wouldn't the main sense, right, Okay, yeah, I get it. I like that just wouldn't have made sick. It doesn't align with your brain.

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Speaker 1: God is good in that way, though, right, we feel like we need.

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Speaker 3: This whenever they do that, whenever they bring up whenever they said, like, see you see what the team does.

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Speaker 2: This is the ship that y'all do to travel.

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Speaker 3: He said, you don't know, he can't kick it with us?

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Speaker 2: Got it so good? We know the amount of roles that he should have gotten. But sometimes all the time.

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Speaker 3: All the time, and he's always on time.

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Speaker 1: Love that self.

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Speaker 5: What do you think has brought more insecurity though?

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Speaker 2: With the business TV, movies or music?

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Speaker 1: Music? So I felt I think it's a combination of them, right.

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Speaker 4: I felt because I did TV and music, people weren't really understanding the level of quality in my voice or performances or whatever. I felt like, I'm one of the best, you know what I'm saying, And that's only because I studied the best and I take it very very seriously. I'm not here to make a lot of money. I'm not here to get some chicks. I'm here to be one of the greatest that I lived. And so I felt like because people had seen me, you know, on TV when I was doing music, they weren't even really listening. They weren't even really you know, seeing it. And now they're like, oh my god, he sings.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I.

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Speaker 4: Probably sain' bed when I was fifteen sixteen, you know, I was really going hard.

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Speaker 1: But it all again, God is good.

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Speaker 5: I mean, even just to have like a human moment based off what the amount of things we work on outside of this podcast too, that we think may compromise our perception here. Yeah, getting Gray's anatomy is amazing TV history, Yeah, but also trying to put music out at the same time, is that in the back of your mind of less could this ruin one side of it, no matter how good both are.

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Speaker 4: Now not where I am now, but I think at some point I was worried about that. Like if I was doing Grownish, I probably wanted to Like a lot of times a team would be like, hey, let's promote the Grownish in the music at the same time, which I didn't mind it, but I wanted it to be I'm here because i'm.

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Speaker 1: My music, yeah, or I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm an actors.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to be comportar I take both very seriously. It's not because I can do it's because I need to. I have to do these things right.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of But now I'm at a place where I've embraced everything that I am. I'm not ashamed of being multifaceteding. It always made me laugh speaking of the basketball player over there, like my brother's also Hooper, but like the person on the court, the person on the court that can pass, that can shoot, that can dunt, that can still as a good defensive player. That's the best player on the court, So why in any other field? Why is that different? I can sing just as good as I can act, I can produce, I can write, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: There's a such thing as and it's fucked up, But there's a such thing as being too talented for sure, you know what I mean. Like, there's sometimes people are looking a be like is this a gimmick? Like this kid can't act as good and sing as good and you dance it is good, and you know what I'm saying. So it's like sometimes people are kind of like, pick one.

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 3: What is it that you do? But in your case, You're like, I'm passionate about.

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Speaker 4: I'm a capture of moments, and I'm also honestly surviving with the things that I do.

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Speaker 1: They're part of my therapy. They're part of me being able to get up in the morning and go to bed.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Sometimes I can't sleep. I gotta make a song first and I can sleep. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Like it's just a part was the toughest, the toughest pill for you to swallow maturing and becoming a man in the industry, Like, what was the one thing that you was.

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Speaker 4: Like not taking not taking I took some stuff for granted opportunities, you know, I think when I was younger, and I'm not ashamed of myself when I'm bashing old me or anything, but I felt like there was a time where I wasn't as grateful as I should have been in the positions that I was at because I was worried about just life stuff and not being like, yo, it's a privilege to be able to be set, it's a privilege to be able to get on stage.

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Speaker 1: I get to do those things. I don't have to do those right.

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Speaker 4: So I think maybe that I probably was like most disappointing that But.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you if you're growing up in an industry as a kid, I would think that a lot of that is a tribute to you being young. Though, Yeah, like you don't know to not take certain things for granted exactly exactly. I'm fifteen, sixteen, you know, I don't have that in my brain yet.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is like, you know, some people do.

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Speaker 3: Some some people get that they learned that jewel, they pick up that jewel early but fathers, it takes coming twenty five twenty six said to look back and be like, yo, I should have definitely.

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Speaker 1: Man twenty seven, that year for me was the you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why is that? That's when the break of heaving.

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Speaker 2: Oh so she put it in perspective, No, God, God came back so good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not give her that credit.

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Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 5: But also I may disagree with your therapist in that regard. Like if you've been hitting nothing but net since she was eight years old, it's not that you are taking things for granted. You're just living in the reality that's your in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to keep going and keep all Yeah, I did Lion King at eight years old. That doesn't mean I now need to settle and oh let me go back to that moment and trying to really empathize what happened. Now it's time to keep moving fucking forward. It doesn't mean I'm taking that for granted. I'm moving on what I'm doing right, So I think you should get your money back from your therapist.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, your money back. So it's good though, the right therapist is.

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Speaker 2: Good, absolutely, and especially as black men.

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Speaker 3: I think, oh, man, something we need therapy, Like I learned that later in life, Like you know what we all need.

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Speaker 1: Because you know when you say it that you're like, whoa, right.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a it's a it's almost like you're saying, something's wrong with me. I think that's the tone that comes.

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Speaker 1: With But it's not that. It's not I mean, don want to take a shower. Something's wrong with you? So you're not getting a shot cleanse. Yeah, it's it's cleansing the mind.

00:19:36
Speaker 5: It's it's explained that to my Irish Catholic parents. It's just like taking a shower.

00:19:42
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you got the Rolling Grays Anatomy.

00:19:48
Speaker 4: First of all, congrats on accurate that is black doctor on TV.

00:19:52
Speaker 1: Listen.

00:19:53
Speaker 2: That is amazing, amazing, very very cool.

00:19:57
Speaker 3: Was this something that was kind of on your vision board or something that just came about, came about.

00:20:01
Speaker 4: Randomly, and then when it happened, I'm like, whoa, this is sick.

00:20:05
Speaker 2: I get reading anatom music. That's a big deal.

00:20:07
Speaker 1: It's sick, bro.

00:20:08
Speaker 4: And and just oh, I'm so sorry, I'm so I profession that God.

00:20:13
Speaker 5: That's the greatest break up of all tom Right.

00:20:17
Speaker 1: So sorry, what was the say my brain? Yeah, it was an audition that was kind of it was amongst a few that.

00:20:24
Speaker 4: I had, like maybe had that week like two three, and I was like, okay, let me just put these on tape. Didn't think anything was gonna happen a few weeks past they called me. But being able to go to work, you've I've worked on a bunch of sets, but now I get to go and everything is new, you know what I'm saying? Lab codes, surgeons. Sometimes I got these dummy faked bodies. I'm like, oh, shoot, it's a real person, Like it's dope, It's fun.

00:20:45
Speaker 5: What was I guess outside of the audition, once you got the role of the training for that, Like we we've talked with Nick Cannon about when he had to do drum line, he actually had to go do the whole thing. We've talked to people that have done Army rolls, like they went to boot camp for real, like did you have to did not? Do you have to play the operator game? Like at least the operator game at minimum?

00:21:04
Speaker 4: What they did have us do though, we did some training with some bananas and like sewing, how did you do stitching?

00:21:10
Speaker 1: I did a horrible and.

00:21:11
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna die.

00:21:14
Speaker 1: She's bleeding all the time.

00:21:18
Speaker 4: Seriously, dude, it's it's not easy and it's crazy. So that you know they got the pros in there. And there's nothing worse than somebody being really good at something trying to explain it to me like it's okay while they're doing it.

00:21:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like, dude, so you just want to keep it.

00:21:29
Speaker 4: He's literally using one finger to stitch, right, That's how Cody is. He's and it's taken me like they're like, we'll come back, We'll go there like okay, yeah, and we'll be a close up.

00:21:46
Speaker 2: Now.

00:21:47
Speaker 3: Is because I have this theory about actors. I think actors are some of the craziest people.

00:21:51
Speaker 5: You have to be a little bit bro, you have to be a sociopath to something.

00:21:55
Speaker 3: Is there ever going to be a time where you know, you meet a girl, say she has no idea who you are? Yeah, And because now you're on Grazing anatomy and now you know.

00:22:03
Speaker 1: How to talk like a doctor.

00:22:04
Speaker 3: Is never gonna be a time where you act like you're a doctor.

00:22:06
Speaker 2: In real life?

00:22:07
Speaker 3: And I have this conversation like, yeah, so last week he lost his patient on the table, and he was just like, I'm.

00:22:11
Speaker 1: Sure in a few months I could do that.

00:22:12
Speaker 3: That is sick that you have the ability to really like late that on in real life.

00:22:16
Speaker 4: And it's not difficult, bro, because you know from the UK and that if you know what I mean, but it's easy.

00:22:22
Speaker 2: Then that's why she left.

00:22:23
Speaker 1: That's why I've gotten that too.

00:22:25
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you literally alive for a living like I don't know anything you said.

00:22:29
Speaker 1: So women have hit you with that back oh so many times?

00:22:32
Speaker 3: How is that because they he know when you're being real sincere hurt?

00:22:36
Speaker 1: Bro?

00:22:37
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

00:22:39
Speaker 5: Okay, but I knowed you, you said, and that laugh that laugh, Yeah, Like no, I.

00:22:45
Speaker 2: Can pick up on cues. I'm her. I'm glad you you. I see what she said, I love you, good bye. I totally understand she was being manipulated. Like he started in the middle of augience. You need to give me a little back hands like.

00:22:57
Speaker 4: Whoa, he said, listen to demon taking you.

00:23:02
Speaker 3: But that is dope to have that ability as a.

00:23:06
Speaker 5: For your like for your regular life, because at some point if you're you and that every day.

00:23:10
Speaker 2: No if not not to use your right response.

00:23:14
Speaker 5: Right because I felt in a way smaller scale. When I've had arguments with past partners, They've said to me an argument, stop podcasting, And I'm like, I'm not fucking podcasting. Yeah, And then I started hearing myself. I'm like, wait, I'm podcasting right now. Sometimes you can't turn the show.

00:23:34
Speaker 2: Better.

00:23:34
Speaker 5: You need better help. Twenty percent of new orry and mall, you need therapy. It becomes a tick, like it becomes what's the Jim carry shit?

00:23:44
Speaker 1: Uh?

00:23:45
Speaker 5: Which one so many the movie The Mask Liar liar in a reality show Truman Show. Sometimes it becomes a Truman Show, like in the middle, all of a sudden, you're selling products in the whole shit. Sometimes you just get caught in the world, like the lines blur. In that regard, I will.

00:24:00
Speaker 4: Say this, someone that loves you, your partner, when they're hurt, they're gonna hurt you by the thing that you love almost as much as them, which is that far which is your job right podcasting.

00:24:09
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what you do.

00:24:10
Speaker 4: I'm sure if you were a chef, you'd be like, you're trying what you're in a chef room, they use anything that trying to stab into this.

00:24:16
Speaker 2: I'm not one of your so chefs.

00:24:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly. You can't just yell at me because I'm not a piece of you.

00:24:21
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, yes, chef, do what you want to say.

00:24:23
Speaker 1: That's what the girls said.

00:24:25
Speaker 2: I'm not your sou chef.

00:24:27
Speaker 1: It's not your if you can't just talk about it, okay.

00:24:30
Speaker 2: So how do you go from preparing for Gray's anatomy.

00:24:34
Speaker 1: Yep, to then sorry, I am sweating with a big girl?

00:24:37
Speaker 2: Are you yes, Josh turn that is it all?

00:24:41
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:24:42
Speaker 5: And do you think you would have changed your achilles injury post Gray's anatomy training? Would you have told the doctor after the achilles injury of the surgery like, I don't think it should stitch that way.

00:24:52
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00:24:56
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00:26:52
Speaker 2: So you have the episode of the EP I Love You.

00:26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, October third, coming out October thir tomorrow.

00:26:58
Speaker 3: Yes, how long did it take for you to get the songs to a place where it's like, Okay, I'm ready to put this out? Because as songwriters, sometimes y'all live with y'all head a lot, and y'all hear things that other people don't hear. Are you one of those people that it takes you a while to get the album done?

00:27:15
Speaker 1: Or is it like, Yo, I got the record, this is it, I'm.

00:27:18
Speaker 4: Not yet I got finished it in two and a half weeks this album so fast.

00:27:22
Speaker 1: And I don't I didn't go back, you know what I mean.

00:27:24
Speaker 4: There might have been some production stuff that, you know, the team wanted to change, but in terms of my vocal performance and my edits and all that, as long as it's close to the moment that happened, it's real. It's the realist version of it.

00:27:35
Speaker 1: I don't want to meddle. Yeah with the you know what I'm saying.

00:27:38
Speaker 5: I feel like that's how a lot of artists fuck up everything.

00:27:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's just.

00:27:42
Speaker 2: Sit and there.

00:27:42
Speaker 5: It's like, all right, well, let's just be able to make it now. That was the moment all the energy was in that.

00:27:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely, dude. I was feeling so much.

00:27:49
Speaker 4: And the only way I could articulate it if this was if I made it there now, if I took them in it, and I probably would have tried to be cool about it, you know what I mean, instead of being so The funny thing is, I have like four albums that are finish complete, not gonna change. They're already done, the order everything, they're finished, and you know, some of the team and I were like, maybe we do another one, and I was like, there's no way, Like this has to come out first, so I can release this and then.

00:28:13
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I can move on to the next year, move on to the next Did you work with anybody on this album or is this all like in house your team?

00:28:19
Speaker 4: This is mainly in house Me and my brother Ian Jackson shout out and then Brunus Charles played a lot of guitar. There's a few other maybe like one or two other producers, but I wrote probably ninety percent of the album and yeah, man, it came together in a beautiful way.

00:28:36
Speaker 3: Is it any artist that you've worked with that you want to work with again, or any artists that you've never worked with that you like, I got to get it right with I got and get a studio with this person.

00:28:45
Speaker 4: Absolutely so writers, by the way, I want to shout out Mike Jay, one of the most incredible song writers of all time, ro turning up to music for Chris Brown.

00:28:52
Speaker 1: He's just he's an animal. So him and I did worth fighting for, which is on this album? That's you here? So I want to work with him again.

00:28:59
Speaker 4: Dominious incredible, their black tuxedos, their name together. Eric Bellinger worked with him and will always work with him. Like he's one of the few people at first that kind of in music, you know, that was like that dude right there, right and after I'm.

00:29:15
Speaker 1: Like this dude writes ashes, yeah, and you think much of it is tight, I'm.

00:29:19
Speaker 4: Doing it does and that's what you know, what I'm saying, And that's how I felt.

00:29:23
Speaker 1: And you know, he took me on tour with them, bro, Like it really meant a lot to me. So that's somebody I'll always respecting and be there for. Yeah. Good, good dude.

00:29:30
Speaker 4: And then also Sean Stalking from boys to men, it was another family that was another to go like, hey, bro, you're doing it everything that you said you wanted. If you're looking at us and being like, hey, we you you're doing it. We're so proud of we see everything you're doing and you're keeping it alive. Let's go right And I'm almost.

00:29:47
Speaker 1: Crying with the talking.

00:29:48
Speaker 4: And they thought I was playing around there like this guy for I was like, no, you guys, I've listened to you my whole life, like yeah, and I was just listening to you, like played the run a million times, so I can do it.

00:29:56
Speaker 1: There's actually a song on the album called.

00:30:00
Speaker 4: Called kept It oh no, no, no, I kept it and manage steel one of the damn songs. But the riff is the exact same from uh yesterday, I've been in.

00:30:10
Speaker 2: These We'll cut that parts. You keep the publishing right, It's.

00:30:15
Speaker 5: Just a.

00:30:18
Speaker 1: It was interpretation, but right. That's how much I love these guys.

00:30:21
Speaker 4: Is like, no, so when I'm when they're when these people are telling me that, when you're asking me maybe insecurities, when I had that from.

00:30:27
Speaker 1: Them, yeah, those vanished.

00:30:29
Speaker 5: Who are some of the songwriters that you would like to work with or something that just inspired you?

00:30:33
Speaker 4: When I want to work with Drake, I want to work with Wayne, I want to work with Rascal Flats, I want to work with I hate this.

00:30:42
Speaker 1: I always get this question. Then later on be in the car like.

00:30:44
Speaker 2: Why didn't I say I'm a more just songwriter.

00:30:46
Speaker 5: I mean, of course Drake and all them are songwriters, but you know, specifically down or what you know you were saying with Eric Bellingers is outside of him be an amazing artist.

00:30:54
Speaker 2: We know his pen is what animal.

00:30:56
Speaker 1: I would like to work with Pooh Beer of course, beast.

00:31:00
Speaker 4: I've worked with Diane Warren a bunch and she's incredible and we got records.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: So remember the albums I'll tell you about.

00:31:05
Speaker 4: She got some on those, right, and everything too that I've done, guys is so story, like this is all a part of the story. So the album that came out before this is complicated this. This album is coming out of the prequel to that.

00:31:18
Speaker 1: So that album is.

00:31:19
Speaker 4: Basically I'm the guy on the side. We still mess around, we still mess around. Then the breakup album comes out, and then the next album.

00:31:25
Speaker 1: Is like, Okay, I'm not We're not together anymore. I'm going back outside.

00:31:29
Speaker 4: Kind of how all my homies told me to handle the breakup is what motion.

00:31:34
Speaker 1: Is, right, They're all like, go back outside.

00:31:37
Speaker 2: Why did they tell you?

00:31:38
Speaker 5: Because because Mall is probably the worst homie that you could ever be next to. Yeah, I'll be going to Malls. You got two days to cry and then shut this.

00:31:50
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm hurting right now. You get a weekend, go through it.

00:31:55
Speaker 4: Cry.

00:31:56
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You got a showery.

00:32:00
Speaker 3: But after that, it's just like, yo, come on, man, we gotta keep we gotta move because it's like I get it. You get heartbroken, and depending on what happened in the relationship. It hurts, and yeah, you know, you become accustomed to this person always being in That's.

00:32:13
Speaker 1: What it's more is, I think for a lot of people's the habitual.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the habits. That's that's human nature. We all have habits. And five years? Can I get more than a weekend to get over?

00:32:21
Speaker 1: This time?

00:32:23
Speaker 2: I get it? Like I get it, But it's like, get you can take five years. You can take five years to get over?

00:32:29
Speaker 1: How get you to the next? Girl'd five years?

00:32:34
Speaker 2: Never take five years to get over? We're not doing that.

00:32:39
Speaker 3: How do you get into the mindset of when you're about to record music versus going on set to shoot? Is it a different preparation or like what is that?

00:32:49
Speaker 2: What is that that? That time like for you?

00:32:52
Speaker 4: Depending on the road right in the quantity of work. You know, if I have a few lines, I tend not to look at it. You know, if it's just a few like one liners here, I just I want to be it actually is very similar to the music as close to the moment as possible. How would I really react to this if I see it real quick? Okay, ask me, and however I respond. However, my body moves right that's the realist version. But that's kind of similar with the music, Like as soon as the situation happens with me, I'm running downstairs. I got to make this song. It's off of the off of the initial feeling. But if there's a bigger batch of work, I'm a bigger role and there's more words and maybe it's a different character, I will, I would dive in.

00:33:26
Speaker 1: I would.

00:33:27
Speaker 4: I would like to eventually do the Daniel day Lewis, you know, the Joaquin Phoenix, Like I want to take three months and go live somewhere and then shoot the movie after I live there for three months.

00:33:37
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

00:33:38
Speaker 4: And really, if I'm supposed to be a doctor work sleep in the hospital for the months, you know, I'm I want that.

00:33:44
Speaker 1: And it took me.

00:33:45
Speaker 4: Actually, I was supposed to do a film with Charlie Buffett. It fell through due to some other stuff. But when we were rehearsing for the film, I saw what it took because he's one of my favorite actors of all Time'm Tarlie Buffer. It's dope and incredible directors. Yeah, he's a he's an anemy, he's you know what I'm saying. I've it's almost like when you like if if you see Lebron or Kobe or something in there on the court, like practicing. It's like when I was like watching him, I'm like, Oh, he's trying to murder this ship. He wants to murder it, you know. And uh, and just the amount of work that he was doing. It was a cop movie and he had already been too much before I had met him. He was already going to the converstation every day. He had hours and hours of footage on his phone. He's asking him if he can record in the ride alongs and stuff like he wants to be he.

00:34:27
Speaker 1: Wants to be it. Yeah, so I do want to do that at some point?

00:34:30
Speaker 2: Is that is like what is your your dream role?

00:34:33
Speaker 1: Like what is the the movie Superhero? I want to be Silver Surfer.

00:34:37
Speaker 4: Already superhero, but I'd love to be Silver Surfer or like a Miles Morales and older Miles Morales or uh, I'm spacing on the name. But there's a black Batman that would be sick.

00:34:49
Speaker 1: Uh.

00:34:49
Speaker 3: And also any movie with Denzel What did you feel about The Last Batman?

00:34:52
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people didn't like it because it was so dark and like.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: I thought.

00:34:57
Speaker 3: I thought, I thought that that was people. They didn't have the act that people are used to in Batman movie.

00:35:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a film guy though, right, So I like the long sequences. I like consuming, like I'm get into that a lot of movies that I love.

00:35:08
Speaker 1: People like that's boring.

00:35:09
Speaker 4: I'm like that because you're not watching the way I'm watching it, right, I'm watching it for other reasons.

00:35:13
Speaker 1: So I loved it. Matt Reeves.

00:35:14
Speaker 4: The director went nuts, the coloring went nuts, the people went nuts.

00:35:18
Speaker 1: Colin Farrell also one of my favorite actors.

00:35:20
Speaker 4: Colin Farrell's cousin Nut disrecusin you guys.

00:35:24
Speaker 2: Too, I'll see he did the I didn't do the color.

00:35:28
Speaker 1: You have them press for.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: That's that he killed that. But that's what I'm saying, he killed that. I was at the phone booth. Hey, that's that's an underrated movie. No, I'm not. No, he's my father's second cousin here.

00:35:42
Speaker 1: No, I'm really not.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: I'm really not joking. No, we don't talk. I don't like him and I don't but I don't talk. But we went to the phone booth.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: Dude. When people say Colin fer.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: Cousin ten times a move. But bro, yeah, so are there any go to the swat set that we weren't? But I was very mad. I was like, Dad, we're not going to swat set.

00:36:10
Speaker 3: Are there any movies that you look at now and are inspired by? Like, what did you think about the Sinners movie?

00:36:17
Speaker 1: Loved it?

00:36:18
Speaker 2: Love I heard that they're releasing it for Halloween.

00:36:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are, and they should. Ryan Coogler Animal, Michael B.

00:36:24
Speaker 4: Jordan Animal, to me, that was his He went crazy in that, And I was just so proud of it, honestly, because I feel like when it's us, they find a way to make something off right. They find a way to oh, he's either this, or he's a little nerd, or he's a blah blah blah, and.

00:36:37
Speaker 1: He's never the guy right. And if it is a guy in the big movies.

00:36:41
Speaker 4: If is a black dude, he has less lines, or he does the stuff but not as good as the other you know what I mean. I always feel this way. I'm always watching stuff like this, and I'm like, that's it's programming. That's like, hey, this is where I see it will always be a little bit less right. So when I saw Sinners and everybody look good.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: The lighting was good.

00:36:57
Speaker 4: Sometimes it'll be that too. It'll be a movie and there's a black guy. They don't light them right, and you know what I mean. They lit everything right. Everybody looked amazing. They look cool, they looked strong, they looked.

00:37:05
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, felt. I was happy that I went to see that in the theaters.

00:37:08
Speaker 3: You have to see it, because I was on the side of I was like, I wait to this because movies only last three weeks in the theaters now if that before they're streaming.

00:37:16
Speaker 2: But that Senters movie, I was.

00:37:17
Speaker 3: Glad that I got to go to the theater and experience that movie because I thought it was dope. It was really really and and the actor what's what's the singer what's his name?

00:37:25
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you were crazy, the young bull. I don't know his name.

00:37:28
Speaker 2: I'm stating on it. I didn't realize he was really singing.

00:37:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's cold. I could tell. I could tell only because I just saw how he was in it. You can't tell when somebody can't sing in there trying like fake.

00:37:37
Speaker 3: See yeah, yeah, you can see it. But him, he was like I just saw like a video of him singing like those live. I was like, wait, just like he's a singer. Yeah, fucked me up, but he also his ass off and he did. He did a great job.

00:37:50
Speaker 4: That's his first time, right, Yeah, yeah, acted his butt off. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Like, who is this kid?

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Now?

00:37:55
Speaker 2: He killed it?

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Now he was the start of movie.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: I mean, I get Michael B. Jordan's but that the start.

00:38:00
Speaker 1: It was the heart. It was the heart, you know, every time. It was such a good movie, I got to rewatch.

00:38:05
Speaker 5: You think traditional R and B is niche? Now, yeah, you think it's it'll never be over for traditional R and B. I would never be that person to say that.

00:38:14
Speaker 1: Definitely niche. It's changing, you know, it's changing, but I hope to kind of try and keep it alive a little bit.

00:38:21
Speaker 4: But I definitely think it's yeah, it lost his place and that I think it plays into this thing, right, I think today's society effort is frowned upon, which I hate.

00:38:31
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's the most ridiculous thing. And it's my little nephews. It's not cool to try.

00:38:39
Speaker 4: You gotta be And I'm like, we're missing out on probably some of our greatest artists, painters, musicians because they think it's not cool.

00:38:46
Speaker 1: I know this singer.

00:38:46
Speaker 4: I know this basketball player who can sing, and he would never sing in front of his friend because they would dogg him.

00:38:50
Speaker 1: But this dude's a little white boy thriffing.

00:38:52
Speaker 4: His ass off and he only does when we're around, right, But he would never tell his friends that he sings, you know what I'm saying, because they you know. And I think that plays into that because to be a true R and b RS, you have to sing your ass off, and there's not a lot of that, you know what I mean. So I think that's why. But I just want people out there to know it's okay to try, it's okay to be good at something.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: It's okay to put everything you have into things that you love. Like, that's not not cool, that's awesome.

00:39:16
Speaker 2: That's crazy that you have to say that.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: You have to say that to people because again, people think that, you know, it's kind of like it's not cool to try some new things.

00:39:28
Speaker 4: It's group think. It's group thinking that comes again. People are lonely. They want to fit in.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: So I'd rather fit in than actually follow my dreams.

00:39:35
Speaker 4: I'd rather be, you know, a part of something, even if I don't fully agree with it, because at least there's someone next to me, at least I'm I'm not you know, it's scary to be on the Earth in the middle of space and not know why you're here.

00:39:46
Speaker 5: It's still paying for water, you know what I'm saying.

00:39:50
Speaker 2: That like debating water.

00:39:52
Speaker 4: We're talking about springs here, you know what I'm saying. But it's it's just wild to me. So I think that that's what I always want to carry.

00:40:01
Speaker 2: Man is So what is that Treubor can't do? Like, what are you terrible?

00:40:06
Speaker 4: Still can't sist? Still that's the hardest thing for me. But no, no, I think is it crack?

00:40:18
Speaker 2: You can tell me I'm from the hood like I was.

00:40:20
Speaker 1: Born with it just some internal practice, right.

00:40:23
Speaker 5: Trump told us yesterday that talent, talent whole lives at crack.

00:40:27
Speaker 1: I know it.

00:40:29
Speaker 4: To days before, but I actually found as I got older it's could be anxiety, you know what I mean. It's like like kind of even people would be like, oh, you're always singing. And I found out later in life the vaguel nerve that helps peace and like breathe and regulature stuff. It's based in the back of your head. And when you're singing, it vibrates and it calls calms it. That's so I would always be singing and I'm thinking, hey, I'm just singing. But it was breathed, especially going to a new place. I remember, it's a funny story.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: I can tell this.

00:40:57
Speaker 4: So I mean little Wayne, and I don't really meet him because I'm scared, right, but I'm good friends with Twist.

00:41:02
Speaker 1: We go to meet him.

00:41:03
Speaker 4: It's his birthday and my brother he's stronger than I am. And he gets up and walks over the way and.

00:41:08
Speaker 1: I didn't want to. It was like he was like behind the thing. I didn't want to come around and like attle, so I just kind of sit down.

00:41:12
Speaker 4: But then I started sing kind of next to the table and I start singing and his eyes like hit my Like, bro, I was like, I'm nervous, so you do that to relax.

00:41:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:41:20
Speaker 4: I was like I'm nervous. And he was like, he's gonna think you're trying to sing in front him, so get on the song.

00:41:23
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not true. I'm just singing.

00:41:27
Speaker 2: I want to.

00:41:29
Speaker 1: I'm like, I wonder what song were you singing? Though? Whatever song was playing, it was like some song.

00:41:34
Speaker 2: That somebody just starts busting out and snow officer.

00:41:42
Speaker 1: But dude, I totally was. And then even in that moment, I was like, maybe that's why I do it, because I'd be nervous.

00:41:48
Speaker 2: But the only thing you can't do is sit still still.

00:41:50
Speaker 4: No.

00:41:50
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of things I can't do. I just don't like the word can't. I feel like I could figure it out, you know, and everything in life that I've really wanted to do, I've I've done.

00:41:58
Speaker 4: Like I was like, I want to play guitar. I played guitar. I want to surf. I surf, I want to I'm sure if I woke up and wanted to be a pot in pottery class, I could do that. But I think the best thing about it is I follow my heart. I followed things I want, And that's why I feel like I'm I'm happy.

00:42:15
Speaker 3: You know, that's dope that you keep like that about you, because this industry will rip all that around from you.

00:42:21
Speaker 1: You can't.

00:42:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in since eight I'm sure they've tried. Definitely tried.

00:42:26
Speaker 5: Before we let you go, I was having an argument with my dad about AI. We were talking about sports. First, this is crazy guy is here, and I was like, Yo, boxing and track are the purest forms of athletics on Earth. There's no way AI could infiltrate that. Then we started talking about the arts, which have already been infiltrated. I said, Broadway on stage is the purest form of art that's ever existed since the fucking sixteen hundreds. AI cannot fuck with Broadway. I'm just someone that buys a ticket to Broadway. You've been inside that entire world. Do you think AI could ever fuck with what is going on?

00:43:05
Speaker 1: Guys? AI is let's talk about who.

00:43:09
Speaker 2: Take it to a Broadway show with AI?

00:43:10
Speaker 1: You're not even gonna know That's that's where we're headed. They're gonna look like this, They're gonna look like this.

00:43:16
Speaker 2: It's broadly them.

00:43:18
Speaker 1: If it looks.

00:43:20
Speaker 4: That's where we're headed. Though, what I'm saying, you're not gonna be able to tell the difference. And that's the scary part is that, you know, it gets scared to even talk about because I'm obsessed with you know, all these I've seen almost every movie you know about AI and all this stuff, and it's like we are literally in it, and people That's why I get frustrated to people like to joke around about it instead of just you know, sitting what's really happening.

00:43:40
Speaker 1: This ship is changing vast, it's changing fast, and it's changing like in a.

00:43:44
Speaker 4: Big way, and we got to talk about it, you know what I'm saying.

00:43:48
Speaker 2: How do you think they could do that?

00:43:49
Speaker 1: Though?

00:43:50
Speaker 5: With Broadway, Like, it's easy to see how they could replace as far as anything in pro tools, anything will.

00:43:56
Speaker 4: Vocals, there's already robots, there's already the humanoid robots.

00:43:59
Speaker 1: They're gonna ad skin, then they're gonna add a voice.

00:44:02
Speaker 4: But like it's it's artificial intelligence, one of my favorite movies. And they were hitting the money on the head and then it's gonna be them versus us tye, by which I hope is not you know what I mean, But it will be that. That's where we're going in the next play video, the next fucking three hundred years. They will look like us, and sound like us and walk around like us.

00:44:18
Speaker 2: They just signed that R and B A AI the three million dollars. That's ridiculous.

00:44:23
Speaker 3: I don't even million dollars, you know why. It's so ridiculous that I didn't even read it.

00:44:29
Speaker 1: No, I didn't.

00:44:29
Speaker 2: I refuse to eat listen to the tea.

00:44:31
Speaker 1: When did that?

00:44:32
Speaker 4: Like?

00:44:32
Speaker 1: You know, I like saw it.

00:44:33
Speaker 2: What does that even mean that an AI artist signed in are a three million?

00:44:36
Speaker 4: I means a very rich man paid a computer guy to create a person and create a sound and paid charted yeah, and said that he gave the person three million.

00:44:46
Speaker 1: But you can't give an AI ar just three million dollars.

00:44:48
Speaker 5: It's okay, the same thing that's going on with radio. We're gonna save this for another full episode because I already have this theory of the AI artist, the same way Radio is going through the rico of how they'relaundering money. These AI artists are being created and going into the algorithm, to the algorithm to launder the fucking three million dollars that you gave.

00:45:05
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. You're setting it doesn't.

00:45:08
Speaker 5: You're setting the price based off the stream, and now you're putting an artist here. You're laundering that three million dollars to come right back to you doesn't make any money.

00:45:17
Speaker 1: Laundering and the world is is so not here that they're like, oh my god, what you know what I'm saying. That's how people are respond.

00:45:26
Speaker 4: Instead of being like, you know, that's a little crazy. That's that's probably the scariestart too. I'm sure you guys can at test it because you guys are smart. Man is like also knowing that most of the world doesn't give the food they don't that's a scar that is scary to me.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: But but I'm gonna put.

00:45:40
Speaker 3: As an artist, as somebody that is as passionate as you are about arts, How does that keep you motivated to want to keep doing it when you see things like this?

00:45:49
Speaker 5: Oh?

00:45:49
Speaker 4: I think honestly, it motivates me in an amazing way. It makes me to go getting harder. But I think this album kind of speaks to the true about humanity, right, Like I don't feel like a robot could write a breakup song that would feel like these You know what I'm saying Because even that thing, even though they listen to it, I heard the voice, the voice doesn't I can't feel it really kind of sounds a little robe tronic.

00:46:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell it's very piece together, even.

00:46:16
Speaker 4: Just the way you put words, like, you know, I've seen people like hey make an ai song and it's simple. It's cool, but it's it's not life experience. It's not you can you can you can tell. So I think that'll be the separating factor. But then again, they're about to take minds and be able to put.

00:46:31
Speaker 1: Them into it. You know what I'm saying.

00:46:32
Speaker 4: We're already here, Guys, open the computer, look some stuff up.

00:46:36
Speaker 1: It's because it's already here. I'm a robot. That would be a way to drop the world.

00:46:48
Speaker 2: The first.

00:46:51
Speaker 1: Does so many things. That's why you.

00:46:57
Speaker 5: Got to get the oil before we close. You were Jason Weaver.

00:47:03
Speaker 1: Jason Weaver, Okay, chasing that was my way.

00:47:06
Speaker 2: What's but wait?

00:47:07
Speaker 1: What's the quote?

00:47:08
Speaker 2: Is the question? He knew the question right away. I don't Can you let me in on the question? Just can't wait to be king.

00:47:14
Speaker 3: Oh I'm like, wait, Jay Weave, that's my guy, Like, that's our brother. Yeah, I love all right. So Trevor telling people the album win. Album comes out tomorrow. It's called I Love You Well. No EP comes out tomorrow. Album comes out in November, and please listen to it. If you ever had your heart broken or haven't yet, it's happened, it'll happen, It'll happen this you'll be pressing play on this.

00:47:37
Speaker 2: Just wait for Gray's Anatomy again.

00:47:39
Speaker 3: Congratulations role in Anatomy use that's major and we support you anytime you back in the York, come by and kick it with I will man.

00:47:46
Speaker 2: That nigga, he's just judged. That's Trevor Jackson. G G boys.

00:47:55
Speaker 1: Thank you, man,