Michael & Danielle Are in Love!

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your co hosts, Becky Koufern, and I am your guest co host for the day, Serena Pitt. Yeah, it's so good to see your face again. So good to have you back on Happy Hour. It's always a pleasure when you're around. But we are so excited to be back with you this week to talk all about how life has been after Paradise for the two cute love birds, Michael and Danielle. I am so excited that they are guests today. We have so many questions for them after the reunion, and I just can't wait to hear how they're doing life beyond Paradise. You know, those trips to the grocery store, date night at the restaurant, all the little things that all the couples look forward to once the season ends. Just being able to walk down the street holding hands in public, and no one understands it better than you. Obviously, you and Joel lived this last year. You are now happily married, which I'm so I think this is the first time I've seen you since you've visually tied the knot. Yeah, I think it is. That's crazy. We had Joe on a couple of weeks ago to give his side of things. But how have you been, how's married life treating you anything new or different? I've been good. I feel like everything in my life feels the same, you know everyone. Someone said to me, I think it was Chelsea the other day, was like, it's like on your birthday and everyone's like, do you feel different because you're a whole year older, and it's like, I feel the same. Our relationship feels the same. But it definitely was very spontaneous and exciting, and I'm definitely still getting used to calling him my husband. That still feels and sounds so weird to me. But yeah, it's been It's been good, and we're still busy wedding planning, which backup, I'm sure you can relate to the stresses of that. Oh my god, do I ever? Well? You and I had a separate little tex threat happening a few weeks ago, and we were talking about wedding and planning. It is crazy, and I'm sure some women and men, I'm sure just some couples in general love wedding planning. I for one, find it just so stressful, so anxiety. You're written I mean like you and Joe did it right. Honestly, going to the courthouse and just having to be the two of you in this like very intimate, private ceremony, like very secret I think was so smart. Yeah, we have no regrets on the way we did it. I mean, we're still obviously having the wedding, but it definitely takes some of I don't want to say the pressure off, because it wasn't like the pressure of planning a wedding's like the actual marriage component, but it's just like, all right, check, we're married, and now we can just deal with like the fun of celebrating that with our family and friends. But like, I feel like it's one of those things like you just don't know until you get into wedding planning, like how many components there are. It's just a lot. It's it's both fun but also very overwhelming and stressful at the same time. So overwhelming you're probably gonna do it once, so we're trying to enjoy it. I know. That's like you're telling myself. It's like it's gonna be one in John. Yeah, one more thing, I know. We had to bring Michael and Danielle on very soon. One more thing. I wanted to ask you, though, have you started wedding tresh shopping? Actually I got my wedding dress. You did, Oh gosh? I from a shop in New York. No. So I went home for a few days to Toronto after we spent us Thanksgiving with Josilm in Chicago, and I knew that I wanted to do shopping with like my mom, my sister, my dad. Wanted to come by and see a few like some friends. When I was home, and the first store I went into because our wedding is early September, they were like, you need to get your dress, Like, you need to get your dress. I'm sorry, but like it takes six to eight months to order a dress, plus like two months for alterations is like the realcy timeline. So it kind of worked out because I already in two appointments booked. I'm pretty like decisive and was like I went to one, I went to the next, and I got my dress at the second one, and I'm obsessed with it and I'm very relieved that that decision's done. So yeah, look at you. Okay, Well, I definitely want to get more details. I don't want to share everything and like, get it on, blasts, we'll jump in our wedding fighting chatling. Yes, okay, definitely sounds good. Um, well, I love just chatting with you. But of course we do have our guests of the hour, Michael end and Yell. So I think it's just time to bring them on. Everyone, please welcome them to Bachelor Happy Hour. Well, welcome to Happy Hour you too, It's so good to see you side by side. Finally, Michael, it was a short time ago that we had just you Unhappy Hour, and I knew I had a feeling. I didn't know any spoilers, but I was like, I think we're going to see him back very soon. And so Danielle welcome. I think this is your first time Unhappy Hour. Correct, yeah, my first time on Happy Hour. He's our first chance to actually get to talk. I need Serena well FaceTime. And Joe's at Wells is wedding with both of you. He's in that photo where you tour next to each other. I like zoom in on Joe and it's like Dan, yeall Michael, and like Joe's head in between them. Oh my god, that's so that's so funny. Serena real quick. They had a photo booth that Wells's wedding, and since you were sick and you didn't actually go, Joe took a bunch of like photos in the photo booth by himself and I actually I actually picked one up and I have one in my bedroom, not like on my nightstand, like with a bunch of other polar fights. I raved next to the bed. That is like, God, just like, who's the real person in your life? It's true? Yeah, Joe, Oh my gosh, I saw it. I mean I saw the pictures from Wells and Sarah's wedding, and so you both had obviously at that point already filmed Paradise. You were together, you weren't technically supposed to be seen, but like you're not going to say no to your friend's wedding, right, So, but you weren't each other's plus months correct, like you know he was Wells. Wells texted me and he goes, so, Danny, do you want to plus one? And I'm like, dude, you know who I'm gonna bring? Huh. He's like yeah, And I was like is that okay? Like are you gonna have a ton of press there? What's the deal? He's like no, no, no, no, no, no press, no cell phones. You just have to like we're just bringing the photos to like Vogue and like they're the only ones that are gonna post it. You got no big deal. And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I want to bring Michael do you away? And then if anyone's calling you being like what are you guys doing, it's like talk to Wells. He told us we could do this. He told me it was okay. He's the breaker. Yeah. I mean, we obviously were so excited to finally be in public and everything, especially at that venue. It was the most beautiful wedding I've ever seen, and it just felt really really warm, and to see Danny and her element. I got to meet tons of her friends that weekend. She hangs out with just this extraordinary group of people. I always talk about this, and it was just the great weekend. And I guess, if your relationships going to be spoiled, it's glad it's in Vogue. Yeah, definitely. No. I was actually just as like, oh damn, Like I wish Thomas and I would have been able to go to some of his friend's weddings last summer. So you guys definitely looked out. It looked like the wedding to be at. Like when you say it was beautiful, I know that that winery, it's absolutely stunning. Okay, well, so god, we have so many questions. I don't know where to get Let's just take it back to last week because that was obviously Thanksgiving. It was the first holiday that you could really spend. Did you spend it together? We did. Yeah. I went up to Ohio and spent it with Michael and James and his family and got to meet his sister for the first time. I'm obsessed with her. We already or laughing about Michael behind his back. It's great. Let it again. So how does that because I know with Joe and I we don't have family in the same place similar to you guys. I'm from Toronto, he's from Chicago. So how are you guys kind of navigating that like long distance families in different cities things for both Thanksgiving and then we have Christmas coming up. Yeah, it's I mean, it's a it's a work in progress that we just we were talking about how are you going to handle Christmas? And the first thing was, let's get through Thanksgiving. I love, you know, getting to be around family around those times, and it's difficult traveling with you know, James and everything. And Danny's parents have a beautiful home in the north Woods of Wisconsin and it's an eleven hour drive. So essentially, what's happening for Christmas? Yeah, do you guys want to do that? Good? I never want at home with James, you, um, And so you know, I'll we're gonna have Christmas at my place with my parents and family, and then I think, what two days later, we're gonna drive up to Wisconsin. Yeah, so like the like twenty eighth, twenty nights something like that, we're gonna do that, um with my family. We're gonna go to Chicago for New Year's Eve and oh we will see you guys there. We might be there too. Oh yeah, we're going to be in Chicago for um, for Christmas and potentially through Thanksgiving. So so definitely message us through you're going back where its time machines. Yeah. I was like I thought, Canada, Yeah, and I will I will say this too. Um. This was like a really emotional holiday for both Danny and I. It's been forever since we've actually had someone this next too, and we have you know, after everything that's happened to us. Um, you know you constantly kind of feel like a not a third wheel, but you have a piece that's actually missing. And it was really fulfilling and felt extremely warm for Thanksgiving this year to be able to celebrate it with her and just everything that we have been through, um, not just in our past, but on the show and kind of growing as a couple outside of you know, the limelight and all of that. My family adores her, which I knew I knew they would, um, and that's one of the reasons why it's working out. You know, that's always a bonus too. Okay, Okay, we need to talk about this. So it's been a few weeks now since the Paradise finale has aired. UM, I want to know, first of all, has the dust like kind of finally settled for you both? Uh? Yeah, it's been really nice. Now we're just kind of like, okay, let's focus on getting moved and like the next step and just really enjoying each other being able to share that joy with like patients that come in and see me and they're like, God, you look so happy, and like I've been happy, but now we can finally talk about it, you know, right yeah, say his name to your friends and be like, hey, this is my boyfriend, right, yeah, exactly. And it feels it feels like it's been a while since I've had I don't I don't know, like this optimistic view of the future, like things are settling in, like I know who I'm want to spend you know, my life with and begin building again versus versus. It was always, you know, something looming or hanging in the future, whether or not it was you know, Paradise or you know, being on katiecas And I think a lot of people don't recognize, uh, you know, how much being on this show puts your life on hold. And when I was you know, I'm thirty eight, you know, times ticking, and that was that was really difficult, especially when you're so focused on progress and trying to figure everything out. But I'm so glad I went down this path. It's just like this roadless traveled, and it led to something just so beautiful. Oh that I mean, I mean it's been no easy road for for anybody. There so much that goes into it. And by no means are we victims like, we're very lucky to be a part of this experience, but it does take its toll, and it's it feels good that it wasn't all for nothing. Yeah. I remember watching our Paradise finale because we didn't have a reunion, so it ended with like the engagements and whatnotum and just feeling like a weight lift off my shoulders. Like it was a sense of relief that I've never experienced before. Um. But I know for for Joe and I and you guys are in a similar situation. Joe had been on the show a few years back. He'd done you know, Becky season of The Bachelor. I n if I looked up and seeing who he was season he was on the other day, Like yeah, yeah, but he did he did Bachelorette Ish and then Paradise and then came back to Paradise, So when we left, he was kind of familiar with navigating what that was. Like. Has that kind of helped you guys, Like Michael, have you kind of leaned on Danny in that way of like how does this work? Like how should we handle this? Or has it just kind of felt like new territory for both of you together? I mean for me, I guess if I'm comparing it to when I got off Katie's season, you know, you go from nobody ever having an opinion about you outside of your immediate friends and family, to this tidal wave of public opinion and you're not really sure how to handle it, Like you become glued to your phone, You're checking things, what do people think about me? This time around, I didn't focus on any of that. I think it maybe because I was happy, you know, like I knew I had somebody at the end of this, and I was kind of more focused in the moment than really trying to figure out what's what's strangers pain of me or us were and it's it's great to have somebody that you can lean on. Mhm. For sure. The social media escape has changed a lot since I was on the show, so it's got a little meaner, a little wilder. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. Yeah. What has been your favorite thing, big or small that you've been able to do together since everything is aired and now that you were finally public, Like Serena and I have talked about this, but like one of my favorite things was just going grocery shopping to talk. Yes, That's what I was gonna say. So little, but so special, so special and also so necessary too. You need to gil grocery shopping. Yes, we we we love we love cooking, and we forget something and we would be like, Okay, who's putting the wig on or who's staying in the car, and it's like we just need to grab something real quick. Yeah, just one thing. Yeah. I remember the first time we actually did that, Like I'd forgotten something for pumpkin pie or whatever, and we've got like James wanted to be in that like um, one of those like car grocery car car, and We're like yeah, and we're going through and I'm just like, oh my god, we're in public, Like we're doing this together right now. This is this is amazing. You guys, like do it together? Were you like on one side of the grocery store, like if you'd pass you give a little wave? Did you split up at all? I mean it's pretty much altogether. Yeah, yeah, did it together. So it's been real exciting. Let me tell you, grocery I went to movies and dinner, and I mean, Wells's wedding was obviously a highlight. What's amazing too is um. You know, I went down to Nashville. We did sneak out to a concert one time, and you know, it was just a really I don't know, it's really cool. But at the same time, it's been really fun not being like focused on events or doing things. Like we're both kind of homebodies at heart, and it's been cool just staying in and not be tempted to go out so we can kind of focus on ourself too. Right. Yeah, I was talking I can't run about this a little bit. She's like, You're gonna miss this like little bubble that you're in, And I texted her after the Union. I was like, yeah, I missed the bubble. Yeah, you're right. I feel like though, the window that you missed the bubble is just when all this like spotlight essentially is on you and it's very overwhelming and then as that fizzles, Like I've never missed the bubble, but I used to. I used to lay on Joe's couch and be like, I'm in my own personal quarantine. This is the worst thing ever, Like I just I would be like stuck in Chicago in his apartment for like ten days. But there is something special about having just like that privacy that you'll never have again essentially. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's such a unique experience. And what I've enjoyed the most out of all of it is just the relationship that James and Danielle have been able to, you know, have by staying in you know, doing crafts and like you know, watching movies and decorated cookies. Like It's it's really the mundane activities that work really kind of enjoying the most. It's the simple times that I don't know that are the most valuable to us, and like the memories that I just cherish. How was the first interaction, Danielle that you had when you met James, Like, and Michael, did you have to kind of like ease him into this and like prep him like, Okay, I have a new girl in my life. You're gonna meet her soon? Like how was that full transition and then that initial meeting? Yeah? So do you remember the date, Danielle. Yeah, it was like the fifteenth or like the seventeenth or something like that of July. We had only been home for like two weeks or something like that, and He's like, Nope, we're gonna We're gonna meet somewhere like I miss you, like my brick James. So like we found this airbnb in the middle of like nowhere, Kentucky and because it was like halfway between us for like driving, and like I pull up and I texted her, I'm like I'm here, and like two seconds later I look over and there's like this like face like pushed up against my car and I was like, oh, hi, right, well, you know it's it's it's it's interesting because you know, normally I would never introduced my son to somebody that early. Um, you know, I described you know, Danielle time as you know, a friend, and I mean I think he's used to being around adults. He's an only filed you know, I have friends over. He doesn't, you know, draw those lines a lot of times. You know, My worries are things that I'm kind of projecting onto him. They're not things that I don't think he really feels and experiences himself, which is like if he were to get so connected with Dan Yale so early, especially after being off the beach in two weeks, like what if it doesn't work, Like will that have lasting effects? You know? I don't I want to mitigate that. But I think, you know, looking back, obviously it was a it was a great decision. It was awesome, awesome weekend and you could tell him about a dinner that he made for you. Oh my god, no, it was so sweet. Like I came like I got it up there like much later, and Michael of this like whole meal prepared. He's got like steaks on to grow. And we sit down and and James sits down right next to me. He was looking at me. I'm like, hi, hi, and he's like, how's the chermy churry? Oh? And I'm like it's delicious. He's like I helped and he like you tore off all the leaves and everything like that. God what a what a five years ago? Like the fact the fact that he knows that, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really special relationship. I've been like really thinking about a lot lately, and it's like I had to let down. Michael and I talked about all the guards that we really had to let down with regards to each other and letting um like someone new into our lives. I'd let two people into my life and thinking back on that, like I didn't realize how guarded I was in meeting James and like letting myself love like a child like in this situation too. And it's just it's been a really unique situation and kind of emotional thinking about it, um, which is kind of opening up, you know, my heart in that aspect too. And I love that kid. He's amazing. Oh how old is he? No? Six six? Okay? Do you feel like because you were in that bubble after a paradise and you couldn't be in public, especially with James for months, do you think that that helped strengthen all of your relationships? I know, Michael, you said like when you guys were in hiding, like you just you just had to be home like your homebodies. You had to like create things to do together in that space. But do you think that privacy really helped build your relationship faster, strong, and stronger. It's a make or break it for sure, right I think I think I think it would have been strong either way because it's a priority for us. I don't think necessarily us having to stay home, you know, was the reason why things got strong. Um. I think it's because who Danielle is, you know, who I am. The fact we put each other first, you know, and also you know, James is the center of my life, and so I think I think it would have happened either way. I also think that we made the best use of our time. It's like with all situations, you can sit there and complain about what you don't have, but then you miss what's right in front of you and the opportunity that we made to be able to make our relationship even stronger. Was there any part of you that was worried that James would go back to school or to his friends and be like, Oh, my dad has a girlfriend. Her name's Danielle. Like I asked them this at the ABC event. I was like, did is James gorder on school being like this blonde woman that you're all watching on TV's at my house? Yeah? I mean I was. I was worried about that, and of course if I told him not to say anything, then alarms are going off and then he's going to say something. So I was just keeping my fingers crossed. And also there I think there was one time, you know, Danielle, we went to go pick up James together. Yeah, yeah, you're like, put your gases on something, put your wig on there's a lot of like soccer moms around here. Oh yeah, let's let's not get slowly driving past your card. James ever get a wig? Like? Would you guys will go grocery shopping? Did he have a wig? Too? No? We never. We never really were out in public together with him. We went on like a hike once, but okay, you know we're Yeah, that would have been a good idea. It would have been so fun. Now know what to get him for a Christmas gift? You? Should we put should we put him in like the short blonde mullet wig. I think we have to. I mean, I mean, I don't know. I'm going to be very upset. I think we need to have James try on all of the wigs, do like a fashion show, see what his features the best. Thanks to him to be inspired for future haircuts. Yeah, he's gonna be like dad, I want to grow my hair out and get a perm Yeah. I think me being on this show has created enough opportunities for him to be embarrassed the rest of his life. I don't think we need to add to any more of this to have embarrassed your kids any embarrassing moments you guys were so good. There was like never. I mean, I guess time will tell you never know how things age, you know, I mean, I'm sure like the moment, like if he ever sees you kissing, he's gonna be like you. But we always we always tried to keep It's it's interesting because we always tried to keep like the intimate moments and the romantic moments like PG because of that exact reason. So we never went a little bit too hot and heavy. We're like, all right, like I'm so attracted to you, like yes, yes, watching so back away? Yeah for you? Yeah, maybe a problem. Wait, Danielle, you tried, yes, I us and I'd walk up to and be like you want to know something you want to hear like the two hottest words ever And I'd go and I whisper an easier condition. Yeah, I find it shot. They didn't show they didn't show any of this. But Danielle was trying to lure me in the boom Boom room because I said this on a couple of weeks ago on our podcast, like I find it shocking that no one was in the boom Boom room because Serena, I feel like on our season, so many people like the boom boom rooms were occupied every night, like oh, between Marian and Kenny and Marissa Riley, they would fight over the boom boom rooms of like which one was better? Like which one? Yeah, there was one that they both liked and they would like fight that night and they would legit go and like put their clothes or their toiletries in the room early on to call like claim their space. Oh my god, I know right, I'm like, damn Thomas, like we should have just gone in here to like get a little reprieve from the humidity. But yeah, it was a hot commodity on our season, and it seemed a little lonely this season. But I understand you didn't. I understand. We also didn't want that aired. Yeah, no, that was very much my anning as well. And that would have been like the one especially for you two, like the clip that they would have kept reshowing and reshowing, so oh yeah, you would have made the trailer and Dad getting it on this season Mom and Dad need to okay, did you yeah, speaking Dad, did you feel like you two were ever in Mom and Dad mode for any of the cast members down there, like if somebody had too much to drink or was going through something. Did you like pull that role on for them? I mean, I I feel like I was constantly being like asked things UM for like support and and say I will say, is the only woman of like the castmates that would come up and be like, hey you actually you do it? Okay, you feel it? Okay, Like it's okay if you're not like take some space, I'm like, thank you. Yeah, Oh that's sweet. She was actually like like the shoulder to cry on this season. Yeah, Like I feel like I saw her comforting multiple women, which is just such a such a pivot. She really had that redemption moment. She's she's a really great person. Um, she knows exactly who she is and you know what she wants out of life. You know she I don't know, I've got a lot of love. I mean we both do U and we still keep in touch with her. Who would you, guys say your closest to UM from like your cast whether it was like from past seasons that you've been on or this season on Paradise. Oh, I mean like Vanessa and I are still like super tight for my season. Um from this season, I'd say probably uh, flow and like Jesidia and like Schanee and I are probably like the closest um or like that. I still check in on, keep in touch with um great like a lot of a lot of good dudes on this season, I will say, very very strong, real characters. So yeah, I mean I I still keep up with people that went home night one from Katie's season Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm still in touch with a lot of people like um Andrew Milkovic, you know, Garrett Connor, Costello, a lot of those guys. You know, I'm good friends with a lot of I mean, anybody who was on Katie season that was on Paradise, justin Aaron, James, m Andrew. Yeah, but I was. I was really surprised with the character of the guys from Gabby and Rachel's season two. You know, there were I mean, everybody was really getting along well when there wasn't you know, a dramatic storyline kind of unfolding and sharing their feelings and yeah, we're pretty dialed in. Yeah, we saw you guys kind of supporting Johnny when you were out there for the reunion. That seems like you guys kind of have a close bond. Were you upset that you couldn't be out there more? No, those chairs are like the most uncomfortable. Y're the worst and the absolute worst. My butt was already numb for the short time that we were out there, and it's such an emotional roller coaster, Like I needed days to recover after that reunion, he was really happy. But well, you guys, I mean when you had your hot seat Michael, you shared something that Danielle, your reaction was priceless. It was like you could not make the stuff up. When people are like, oh, like things are scripted or like we saw something coming. Like your reaction to when Michael told you that he loved you was so cute, so special, So you had like just correct me if I'm wrong. You had no idea that he was going to zero idea. She had an absolutely no idea. Yeah, I've never said I love you to like closer than like three years, really two to three years, that's right. Well, I mean I've only said it to one person my entire life. Yeah, Like I haven't said it to anybody in grade school, high school. It was just just Laura and I always make this joke like you know the word like I love you gets thrown around all the time. I mean it does on the show, but just even in high school. You know, like think about all the relationships that I've had in high school where the girl I feel like, you know, a month or says like I love you and I'm like, I'm sorry, I just can't say it, and they just want to strangle me. But I always wanted to save it, say it, you know, and save it for somebody that I really felt it for. And you know, I'm not going to share the conversation we had Danny, but there was there was a conversation that we had about two weeks prior to that that just, you know, everything made sense and she's just an extraordinary person. I I always think about this, you know, when they like what is love? I think it's when you walk into the room with your partner and you know that everyone's looking at them and you're so you know, proud to be by their side. And Danielle is one hundred percent one of those people with someone I actually have one. I mean, tons of physical attraction. You're so beautiful, but you're I don't know, you inspire me. You're motivating, Like I'm behind you like every step of the way. Cry. I think Danny's crying. I think I'm teared us that you do an incredible job of describing love, like I know, really amazing, beautiful like love. And I think your words like really touch people, like I know Beck and I are in both loving relationships and we're so happy to see you guys have found each other and it just like your words just resonate so well, like you're amazing at articulating what is so hard to articulate about love? Yes, I thank you. I mean, obviously from watching the season, you know I get things wrong all the time and all of that, but it's it's one I should write creating, you know. But I think I think, yeah, right. I think some of it's because you know, I've felt it and because I don't throw it around like recklessly, um that I don't get it confused for what I believe it to be. It is very meaningful. And that's what I think is so powerful, is like in that moment, and you know, I'm not Danielle, I wasn't the one receiving those words, but I feel like everyone watching felt it, Like if he's going to say this after everything he's gone through he is going to mean it and that's what's so special. And and like Thomas has met you, Like you know, Thomas knows you way better than I do. I've only met you a handful of times. But we both when we were down in Paradise and had the chance to see you both like we've left, and we were like, man, like we really hope those two work out, Like they're so cute together, but they both have such big person Danielle. I haven't had too many conversations with you, but like we've we've demmed in the past, and I was like, she's just a real one. Like there are people that come through this franchise that either want something or you know, they do it for I hate to say this, but like the wrong reasons. And you both, I think have such pure hearts and pure intentions that the fact that you two met and now we're not all together, that's just like I mean, it's radiating through this podcast. But um, yeah, that that moment, Danielle, I loved too. Like I feel like you didn't even know how to react, like what to say, Like you were just like kind of frozen, and like I wanted you to just sit on that couch for a while, like give them a moment, like don't go to the next commercial break, like let them have this time because it was a lot to take in, but it was it was really special to see. I've been waiting for a natural segue for this and I haven't found one, So I'm just going to jump into this question. Danielle, you're moving. I am? I am. I Actually I had like two interviews today or like met spats up in um In, Ohio and uh, yeah, a lot of a lot of interest. So I'm very excited. But yeah, just trying to get the job locked down for her soon for apartments, um, but yeah, hoping to be up there as soon as possible. So is that kind of the process right now is like Okay, we're going to find a job, but then we'll look front apartment. Do you have kind of like you want to be walking distance twenty minute drive? Like is there proximity preferences to each other? You know? For me, it's like I want to find the right job and right fit because that's always been really important to me, like even as um like a single woman, you know, like you want you want your like security and like that's something that like I always want to maintain and like encourage is that, like you know, women need their own financial security and like you know, put yourself first in like certain situations, right girlfriend, who it's amazing. So yeah, I want to get the job backed down first, like it really doesn't, um matter if that's like closer to Acroing, closer to Cleveland, and then I'll look for like the right apartment for that, for that Ofkase, But um no, Michael and I have talked about that, and we're just excited to be, you know, not eight and a half hours apart from each other. So dating in the same city, you know, a thirty minute commutes a lot better than than a flight or eight hour drives. So yeah, yeah, and there and there's and we you know, originally we discussed like her living really close. And when she first when she came a couple of weeks, I'm like, oh, you can live right here, like right behind me, there's and then all here, and I'm like you're trying to Yeah, I mean it's fair, but I mean in that why you Yeah, that's you. But but also there's this idea too that if if she got a you know, a cool loft or something in downtown Cleveland. It's only twenty five minutes from me. Then you know, James and I can have like, you know, staycations in the city. We lived kind of in a suburb and we can expose him to you know, just you know, different landscape and do all of that, which I which as a kid. Those are memories you're going to remember forever. Oh, that'll be fun for him. So was this something like talking about not cohabitating, because obviously you're still going to have your own separate units. But was this conversation of potentially Danielle you moving to Ohio like something that took place starting back on the beach or was it was it afterwards when you guys were removed from the show, where you were like, okay, like we can see our lives meshing together now, like let's make this change. Yeah. That's one thing that I've loved about our relationship so much is that we've really taken our time. We've gone it like our own paces, not a pace that is being dictated by the show or like, you know, people's expectations. So the fact that we didn't have that pressure, but like it just kind of started coming up more and you know, it's a long distance, like it's either gonna someone's got to move, like you want to make it work. And with m James having you know, both sets of grandparents so much closer up there and the whole family system, like, it does not make sense for you guys to move to Nashville. I had already been like ready to leave Nashville for like the last year and a half two years or so, so um, I was excited. I was like, now like this is this just makes sense right now, and we really want to make sure and you know, see if this thing is going to work and spoiler work spoiler alert totally is. But no, it was really important to me to make sure like I had my own space and stuff too, because my relationship with James is really important and I don't want to like just invade his face right away. So when we were talking about moving up, it was always no, like, I want to get my own place so then I can keep building a relationship with both of you and not just you know, be a roommate all of a sudden. So yeah, yeah, I mean again, another thing I just admire about you know, Danny, it's I it's so important to maintain your own individuality and relationship. Um it's so easy. You know, there's there's on one side where to become one in certain elements, um, in in in certain ways. But you know, you have to have your own life. You have to have your own passion, you have to have your own friends, you have to have your own you know. Um, you know, things that excite you, keep you young, things that you nurture, um, you know, and you put time in and she has tons of those, and so I don't I don't know she gets it. Um, And I can't wait till we she moves up here. We're trying to like figure out that time frame, shooting for February, hopefully sooner. But it'll be cool to just like enjoy the mundane and begin, you know, building this life that we've just put on hold for so long. Be able to come over after a long day at work and just get take out or make a good meal and hang out. Oh man, not just yeah the feet up on the coffee table and just do nothing us. Yeah. Yeah, that is a good feeling of not having to feel like, Okay, we only have four days, yeah, that we have to make the most of every second and just be like we're just living life together. Exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, so special. I can't wait to see, like what all unfolds in this next chapter for you both. One thing that I want to ask you, and you know, it's one thing to be living on the beach together on this show. It is paradise for a reason. But what was like the biggest thing that you've learned about one another post filming that you really appreciate about one another or that you hate or give us the realty to give us the pettives too. You can go first. It feels like a setup. Danielle Wawless no issues the gradgy walks on UM, I know this is going UM. I would I would say, you know, on the show, I think if if you're uncomfortable on camera, I feel like you're because you're really in it. You know, you're really thinking about life afterwards versus sometimes things can feel performative as as a whole. And we were both very much in it because we knew all that was at stake outside of this um and you know a lot of the conversations that we had, you know, weren't aired and were actually kind of cool with that because those were moments that we remember, um, and that we're special to us. Danielle, you know, outside of the show and everything that you saw in Paradise, she's funny as hell. Um. You know, she's she's you know, she's the type of This is one of the best ways to describe Danielle. She's the type of person that all her friends call, like when they're sick and when they need help and all of that. Like she's the one that shows up. And it's like, that's what you're looking for in a partner all the time. Are people that show up when it matters and people that answer the phone call when you need them. And she's always available. M hm oh that. I feel like that's something that you definitely learn after the show too, because you're always available no matter what. On the show, you're on the same beach ship. Yeah. Really getting off and seeing how that prioritize that person prioritizes you, and like how they treat their friends, how they prioritize their family, like that can be so special to see, Like I know, I fell in love with Joe so much more like seeing that aspect of him in his life. Yeah, on the show everyone's it feels like not everyone, but we're all in presentation mode, you know, where who do we want to be? How do we want to be perceived? Like what are the best qualities in us that we want to showcase to the world. Um. But then after the cameras are done, you know, running, your true self comes out, and you know, I think that's that make or break point in all these relationships where you can't hide from yourself forever. You know, you can't, you can't be in presentation mode forever. The truth it's way to the surface. And when daniel Danielle's true self was coming to the surface, it was so much more beautiful and wonderful than anything I had ever seen on the show. So all of like the great moments that we have shared outside of Paradise have been I don't know, just so much more fulfilling and in Greate, I don't know, it's it's we're in a really good place. Oh, I love it. That's amazing. Listening to you too talking about each other makes me want to just like go squeeze. Thomas and you guys are definitely much more articulate than I am. I'm just like, I love you so articulate. I like, oh my gosh, I tell him now, Like after he told me he loved me, I was like, every time I told you you're my favorite, I was saying I love you, oh, because I knew you were ready to hear it yet. Yeah, and that's and that's that's another thing too. Um, you know, obviously Danielle and I you know, shared a moment on the beach about our past and losing somebody there is it's it's so comforting knowing that we both don't have to teach the person that we're with how complicated it is to go through grief. Um, you know she gets it. I mean she's farther along than I am. And it's it's cool to be able to have this safe place where we can talk without judgment or insecurities. It's just what we have to go through and process in order to become a better version of ourselves. And we we have, we established that early. And it's I don't know, Yeah, I just blessed because it's it's difficult for anybody to understand how things change, you know, when you actually feel ready, because the truth is, you don't until you keep going and you actually find that person that you want to be with. Everything feels unattainable until the moment it doesn't, or until the moment it does. And so like that that was one of those AHA moments for me because you know, on the show, I did question whether or not I was ready, but it was just because I hadn't met Danielle and we didn't dive deeper and deeper and deeper into that. But once we started doing that, it was like, I am ready. I'm more ready than I thought I was. Yeah, it's like the puzzle piece thing I was talking about. Yeah, like you just found that person up fit that you found acceptance with and that's something you both deserve. It wasn't forced, no, but even with you know finding you know that puzzle piece and that like safe and that like grief is something that we're just like it doesn't define us, and we talked about that all the time, but like it's a unit we live with and it like and Michael knows this, Like there's different things that have come up, even you know, it's been twelve years since Nick passed away, but there's still things that come up that you know, make you feel scared or wonder and like you have to like keep kind of talking yourself through like what you know to be true, like in these moments and like focusing on that. But yeah, I know it's a really I want to I want to highlight. I want to highlight what she's saying here just for anybody listening, there is we all do this sometimes where we focus on a part of our life that is least fulfilled and then that feels like our entire life. And Danielle actually taught me this where you know, when you feel lost or you don't feel like you have this complete life because there are certain pieces that are out of balance, she actually taught me how to, you know, list out the things that you know to be true, like you have family, you have friends, you are supported, like you are loved, like you are smart, like like all of these things that help you. But it's it's so simple. But when you're lost in that kind of depression or doubt, it brings you back to the truth that you know you're not alone, that you have more than you ever thought you did, and you know it creates an energy and a sense of hope. Yeah, it's it helps you not just fix it on that one thing that you feel is missing in or lacking And I think it's really special that you two have found each other because, like you I had a little bit ago, Michael, you didn't have to teach the other person of like what grief feels like. You both just understand and have I would say maybe not like a level of patience, but you have that just like understanding in this foundation to build off of where you're like, you know, I'm going to have my days, You're gonna have your days. We're going to feel grief different times in different capacities, but you're still going to be by each other because you both have been through it, and I think that that's really special, especially for you to just have going through so much prior to meeting each other. I think that's why I like seeing you two together now and seeing this love story unfold of like, I'm just so happy I was able to watch it as if you were selfishly, but I can't even imagine what it feels like for you both. But Danielle, what did you learn about Michael or your biggest pet peeve if you will, of him? We need to take him down and nottch I feel like we've been building Michael up so much. We got to humble him a little bit, y'all. It's hard to humble this man, and believe me, I want to. But come on, does he like not unload the dishwasher? Like there's got to be something I'm bad? I'm bad? Does leave the toilet seat up? Emisode? Does James or James peas on the seat? But currently, I mean, in our defense, we are in an all male household. You are, That is true. I get it. It's gonna have to change one day, maybe soon ish, but right now you're gonna have to change and learning I can do. I know he got out of his own way, y'all. He like told me he loved me, So there we got. We can't really complain about the baby steps. Baby yeah, go for it? What what are real? Pet peeves? We've known each other long enough. Well. I hate I have when people ask X and I'm like, and then I feel put on the spot, and then I can't think of anything. It is so hard. It's such a hard question. But I just have like I have to say, and I feel like I say this all the time. But the thing that I was honestly most shocked by was Michael as a father and like shocked in a good in like a very good way because like I've seen you know, other men you know in my life and their incredible fathers. Like don't get me wrong, my dad is an incredible dad. Um. But actually watching Michael parent is like like made me fall like so much more in love with him. It was in it's it's like really it really is, you know, I mean like, oh no, here here his tears are. But like kids, kids struggle, you know, kids have sometimes where like they might feel um, you know, like stressed about something or like scared about something. And he is like the most calming, like validating force and he's really had to be bow you know, have both you know, motherly qualities if you want to call it that, um and fatherly qualities. Like he's had to embody both parts in this and it's just really it turns me on, Like it's great, like a great dad. That's the That's the greatest compliment I could ever get. And I you know, I remember when Laura passed away. I remember like getting to this point where you know, I'm looking at my son he's two years old, and I remember like saying cancer took so much from us already, I'm not gonna let it anymore. And so you know, it's kind of this vowel and given I have so many flaws, I come up short literally every single day. Um. You know, it's it's really the effort and the intention that I try to parent with where I don't want James to ever use this tragedy as an excuse why he can't, you know, reach his potential. You know, it's like I don't it's it's it's a major disruption and you know that's an idea, but the way that that's executed throughout the day is exhausting. You've got to be like crazy patient. You have to be able to explain things. But there's nothing more important. There's nothing I could do during the day that I don't know. Trump's that, Um. So, you know. And Danielle's really good too. She's great at reading books. She's amazing. Oh, I have no doubt. She is an incredible woman. To now finally be part of James's life, and it's it's really special to hear you both build each other up. I think not we don't hear that often enough. And so I'm glad that we were able to have you both on to each O. There's hype partners if you will total hype partner. I love this. Okay, So for anyone going or wanting to go onto Paradise in the future, what is a bit of advice that you would each give to someone M you are never too old? I love Yes, I would say go in with an open heart and like willing to be surprised, you know. I think there's you know, sometimes people are trying to control what is really uncontrollable. I mean, you can't control who you fall in love with or who you're attracted to in the real world. It just happens, and so cannot control anything happening down on that beach. Yeah, why why try to do it in an environment that's even more out of your control? So, you know, make sure when you go down there, you know who you are as a person. You know, you know what you're kind of looking for. It's it's it's an you have to over communicate. I think a lot a lot down there more so, um, but it's a wonderful experience. I loved it. Um. I loved waking up on the beach. I loved you know, a lot of a lot of the younger guys were like, we're not getting any sleep. We're so tired. It's like, man, you know, we just got a solid four hours. What do we have to do today? Like go to the pool drink? People like yeah, come on, yeah, Like I get it, it's exhausting, it is, but like worse things to do. Yeah, exactly, absolutely, I feel it. We'll just take that recording and we'll send it to all future paradise. Yeah yeah, yeah, and drink, drink lots of water, lots lots of water, hydrated. Yet, is there is there a moment from Paradise, whether it be like funny, sentimental whatever, um that wasn't shown between the two of you together or separately that you were like, oh, like I love that moment. I wish it was shown, or like this is something that was really special that we didn't get to share with people. I think there's a couple and Michael's going to say our painting date, uh and he set up for me, um because we have this. Uh. We were saying, now we're watching the sunset, and our biggest thing is like we just don't want to forget any memories because we know how important those are soly like to like document at those. And he set up this painting date and I have it. It's like propped up all around my wall because I still don't have it framed yet. But we painted the sunrise or sunset um. But one of my favorite moments was I had like almost passed out earlier. I had so much leg swelling it was unreal. Oh did you have like the ankle swallowing? Oh my god, no, up to my knees, Like it was so bad. Anytime they weren't filming, I was like laying down wrapped my legs. They were laying up a wall. Um. But like I had spent like the whole day like like sleeping in air conditioning basically, it just to kind of like try and catch up. And he came up after it, and um, we were just like cuddled up on like the it was one of the day beds up in like the holding room for like new arrivals and like that little area. Yeah, and it just felt so like I'd missed you all day, you know, I hadn't seen you. And we just kind of like cut it up and laid and just felt so safe and happy again. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we we had. We had so many moments and just celaborate on the painting. There was a earlier conversation that Danielle and I had where you know, we were talking about you know, Nick and Laura and just the reality that when you lose somebody that you share so much history with, you also lose those memories with them, you know, inside jokes don't land the same anymore. Um, there's an era of your life that you know, you can say that you carry it in your heart, but it certainly doesn't feel that way because you can't reminisce and bring it back to life with the person you shared it with. And so we were constantly talking about the importance of preserving memories, you know, between us, and so we you know, cementing them in our life so we don't forget them. And that was just this beautiful conversation that was never aired. I'm actually always glad things are not aired, where some people are like I wish they would have shown this. I like the fact that there ares, you know, I like the fact that they don't have to be shared, because everything feels when you're on there, you know, it's the Truman Joe, you feel like you have to share everything, and when you share everything, then everybody has an opinion on everything. And it's like it's just this pure little moment that we both enjoyed and at a time that just felt right, Oh, well, I want to see this painting one day. Well yeah, yeah, I get a frame. It's like a beautiful moment. Yeah, and I will attest Michael. I. Most of our conversations that I had with Thomas last year on that beach never made it to the light of day, and part of me is so relieved because I was like, this was actually actually us just talking about like real life things. Oh. Sometimes boring things like that would never make it into tea because no one wants to hear us talk about it. But like real life stuff that's so important. That makes it so much more special. But like also for you in a relationship, it's so needed. But yeah, it's it's good that it was just between you and you don't have to open up that cannon worms to the world for everyone to be like, well, I would do. It was a beautiful moment, and you know, we had a lot of We had a lot of those and you know, I everything that we shared on the beach was wonderful. Everything we shared outside of that has been ten times better. Um, And so like those types of memories, like I don't I don't know. We're like she's moving up here. It's it's more exciting than I can even articulate. It just feels like the begin beginning of something incredible and things are finally like taking shape, and that's how it should feel. Yes, you know, there's there's more unknowns, and like I always end up getting in my way sometimes overthinking things, and I'm going back to this place of simplification. You know, if it feels right, run with it. And it feels right. I love that. I feel like the show encompasses so many different things. Obviously, like it's a show about finding love, but then there's a lot of other components to it as well, a lot of other components that get attention or highlighted, which is understandable it's a show. But it is so nice to talk to you guys and just like really relish and like the love that comes out of it and like the good that comes out of it and celebrate that and have you guys here today and just see like, you know, two people having found each other through this crazy experience, which is something that Beck and I can relate to, but seeing it with you two just very deserving, kind, genuine people just like warms my heart like crazy. Thank you so much. Okay, well, Michael, you've done this with me before because you were a recent guest on Happy Hour, and Serena and Danielle I don't think either of you have done this, but we've added this little portion at the end. Basically, we love to share resources. We think it's very important to share it with our listeners and our followers. So I'll start just to kick it off, and then we'll go around the one that I'm going to share this week. It's actually it's just an Instagram account and the account is at this is Dez or sorry at Underscore This is Dez with a z D easy. Basically, Dez Wilson is a creative director and his account is so cool, so impactful. I started following him. I was just scrolling through, and basically what he does is he reimagines characters from like popular movies and shows and places black characters in what was once a white character or a white TV show. So basically like the recent ones he's done is like the Adams family. I believe he did Harry Potter Twilight, and I think it's good for everyone, but especially like younger kids to see maybe their favorite movies or shows or characters replaced with black characters, because that obviously is real life. And so again his account is at underscore. This is Deaz with a Z and I thought that was really cool. I haven't seen anything quite like that on Instagram that I've come across, and so I figured that was a fun one to share. Serena, I'm gonna have you go up next girl. All right, that's so cool. I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna go check that out after. Um, I really want to share this book that I read in uh when we were waiting to go on parodies, and I can't remember the name, so maybe I'll send it to you back at and it can get highlighted another time. But I follow this account called black Owned dot to and it basically highlights um small black owned businesses in Toronto or the greater Toronto area. So if you're looking to shop small black owned businesses, it just makes it really easy. I believe they have a storefront in Scarborough Town center for all my GTA listeners. Um, but yeah, they're they're great. They're an Instagram account. Um, and they just yeah, you can shop online, you can shop in store. Um. I believe they highlight the actual businesses pages as well if you want to shop directly there. Um, I should really find a New York one now that I'm here so much. But um, there there are a great account for people looking. I love that. Thank you. That's fantastic. Okay, and who wants to Danielle Michael wants to take it away? Um, I have. Um, well, this is more related to healthcare workers and burnout in the trauma and stuff that they've experienced the last a couple of years working through the pandemic. But um, a friend of mine started an organization called Don't Clock Out, and it's a resource for UM nurses and healthcare workers that are struggling. It highlights the physician and nurse suicide rates and really helps to provide more resources for healthcare workers. So that's called Don't Clock Out, and it's at Yeah, it's at Don't clock Out Org. Is their Instagram and I can send that over to you guys. But all right, cool, thank you, Danielle, Yeah, no problem. And last but not least, mister Michael Um. Yeah, I recently from a friend got a book recommendation. It's called blind Spot. It's Hidden Biases or Good People, and it's pretty much what it is, the fact that we all have these particular biases in our life and they're not truths. They're just things that have found their way into our mind in one way or the other. And this book, you know, the way it's been described to me, kind of pulls that out, allows you to recognize that they do exist and that if you do want to grow into a better person, a more inclusive person, identifying them first is the first step. And so I'm really excited to jump into it. I mean, I think sometimes the older that you get, the more you think you know, and you need to approach life with a little bit more curiosity and grace and understanding and realize that the experience that we have as individuals isn't the same one that everyone shares. And so if we're going to do anything, um, it's to try to at least be empathetic and try to be an advocate, uh, those you know, disenfranchised or those that are disadvantaged, you know by birth, um, and we have a responsibility to kind of uplift everybody. It's better for them, it's better for the community, and the things you learn along the way are lessons you'll keep forever. I love that. So a blind Spot what I think I think I've heard of that book. Actually, I think i've I've heard good things about it. Yeah, it's called it's called blind Spot Hidden Biases for Good People. Oh my gosh, that sounds incredible. I'm adding that to my good Reads list as we speak, because and I love the subtitle of that, like hidden Biases for Good People. I think it's so easy for somebody, and we've seen it time and time again where something happens or there's an issue in a scandal and people are like, oh they meant well, or you know, they had good intention, or there's still a good person, and like that can all be true, but you can also still have these hidden biases and still be very ignorant or careless with what you say and what you do. And so that I'm going to suck up on that. Thank you well, great, well, thank you both for sharing those and thank you too, Serena. And now it's the fun part before we have you go. You've done this before, Michael and Danielle. Again, this is your first time, but this should be the fun one. We always ask our listeners to share their rose and thorn, and this time you can do your full entire experience of paradise because obviously we've seen it all air now, so basically like your favorite best moment and then maybe one that was a little messy. So whoever wants to start take it away all right? You know my rose, I would say, obviously it is meeting Danielle and developing that relationship. Looking back and seeing how awkward it was for us to finally meet in person. There was a lot of pressure on both of us because we had talked like briefly in the past, because we had shared this, but we never met. So it was like, there's a lot on the line here. We could lose each other as friends if things don't go right, Like, is there that romantic you know connection between us? And you know when she came down it was the beginning, there was physical attraction and then as the whole thing went forward to where we are to date, like we developed that kind of chemistry and you know, my my thorn as a whole, you know, would be you know, the I would say probably, I don't know this, maybe the sleeping conditions of the bunk beds I was on the I was on the top bunk of either guy's norm and there was a massive, like five foot snake living above me. This yeah, oh yeah it was. It was absolutely crazy. Um so that was definitely my thorn. Oh my god, had yeah, yeah, what about you, Daniel? Um? I think my rose was probably the first rose that I actually got from Michael, and he quoted back to me the song lyrics from that. I mentioned to him of a song that was really important to me, um by Grace Potter after Nick had passed, and Thorne definitely UM like, I mean doctor Carr, doctor down there was like, if we weren't in the jungle right now, I'd be tapping your knees to relieve all the fluid that was on them. But you know you'll end up with an infection in your joints if I do that here, so no tea, Yeah, girl can carry water. Let me tell you. They were so big and everybody's like, I don't know, I was like my life no normally, look like that. Oh was it painful. It hurts so tight and like it was like throwing the stability of like my knee joints off, so it felt like it was just like constantly like this, just it was so painful. Oh my gosh, yeah that does not sound pleasant, but honestly, like, oh yeah, well, thank you both for being here on a happy hour. It was. It really was such a pleasure to have you both together. You're somebody. You're a couple that we wanted right after the finale, and I know life was crazy, so I'm so glad we got you on now. But thank you both. Yes, I feel so lucky I got to guess this episode and be here with you guys today. We're here, and let us know when you're in Chicago, because I love to see you guys. If you were ever in California, please let me and Tommy know we would love to, oh my god, to stay anytime. So yes, we're watching you guys the Beast. Yes, So Danielle, before we let you go, I know that you have your podcast. Do you want to let all of our listeners know where they can find you on social and on your honest yeah, I would be so over the Moon. Um, the Walmed podcast, I started to support women and um members of like the lgbt Q communities and stuff in healthcare. It's a very supportive, very inclusive, very beautiful space. UM and it is at the Walmed. You can find the podcast where ever you listen to podcasts, and you can find me at DMOB. All right, thank you, Just just to confirm that's at WOMED. Correct, Yes, w O M E D. Yeah sounds good. Kay. Everyone go check her and her podcast out. Awesome, Thanks guys so much. They're such a lovely couple. Oh my gosh. I was honestly so choked up for most of that episode. We all were, because everybody kept starting to cry, and I was just like, oh my god, I really don't get emotional watching The Bachelor, and that's probably not a shocker to most people, but watching their story really just like got to me. And the moment with them with the compass and then them at the finale like all the water works, and they're just both such great people and I just I love that they found each other and that they're happy and they found love. Really. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard I've heard Thomas Rabba about Michael for so long and oh my god, they were on the same season. Yeah, I didn't even put that together. And he said, how do they know each other so well? All all from the same season, and like they stayed in contact, like they've been in touch, like Thomas I think helped not promote, but like back up one of Michael's charities. I want to say, but yeah, Michael's always been such a sweetheart. Like we've had him on the podcast several times, but knowing who he is, to have him on here a few more times, and then like knowing what Thomas says about him, it's just like he's just a good dude. Like everyone that I've talked to you about that talks about Michael like he just has a pure heart. And like same with Danielle, like she's such a kind person. And to hear Michael just really reiterate that and like say, how incredible of a friend and a family member and a partner she's been. I think it's so special. Yeah, it was a good one And I love having you on, Serena. I miss you. I know I miss you too. It's so good to come back and hang out with you Becca and chat and reconnect with all the listeners, So thank you for having me. You know, if you ever need a guest house, I'm here. Yeah, it was a blast. Thank you as always, you are welcome back whenever you want. We absolutely love you, and I really just hope that we can see you and Joe sometime in person soon sent a lot. I feel like we haven't seen you guys, and forever truly well after the holidays, once everything dies down, will we need to get out to New York like we've been saying, Yeah, seeing that for a year, you have to come out. So it's in the book. So we're gonna definitely try maybe early next year, but yeah, that would be so fun. Yeah. So a huge shout out to Michael Ndamel for being here, and also to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank you for joining us every week. 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