#326 Reboot - Timeless Guns: the 1911, GLOCK 17 & AR-15 Are NEVER Going Away

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Hey there guns podcast fans, it's
your host,

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Brant Wheat,
and I'm coming to you on a windy Friday

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the 13th from here in the heartland
and fitting of Friday the 13th.

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We had a podcast episode
that I really liked and it was in

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the can and done and ready to go
and the gremlins got Ahold of it

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and shoved it
right down to the garbage disposal.

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So we're going to do a quick reboot.

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So you got something to watch or
listen to?

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This week it's episode 302,
a reboot of Timeless Guns.

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It's a great one
and it's full of nostalgia.

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So even if you saw it before, check it out
and we'll be back with something

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new next week.

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So hope you had a good Friday the 13th.

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We'll see you next week on Guns
Podcast us.

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And today

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we're going to talk about,
I think, pretty interesting topic.

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We're going to talk about timeless
firearms that are still in use and,

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you know, when we we stop
and think about the old guns, you're

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thinking, well, that's nice.

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I saw one at the gun shop,
but there's there's

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still a lot of them
that maybe you hadn't considered

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that, are still a good choice
no matter what you're doing.

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So make sure you like and subscribe.

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That's how we, justify our existence.

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And today, my guest is Rory Huntington.

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I know that's a big shock.

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He's our unofficial co-host. Welcome, Roy.

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I feel welcome.

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All right.

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Well, good.
I'll send some pastries over, but,

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Well, like I said, today's topic,
timeless firearms.

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And I got a whole list of them, and,
you know, really, that's almost

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the unofficial theme here at, guns
magazine presents the Guns podcast.

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Or, as I like to call it, FUD land,

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as we've accused
been accused of being or the FUD kingdom.

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But, there are still a lot of, old guns
that are still a good choice.

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No matter what you're doing.
So we're going to run down a list.

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But before we get to the specifics,
any thoughts on on.

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I got to be careful here.

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Old guns that are still relevant

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and useful today and try to keep it under,
like, 2 or 3 hours.

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Right.

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Well, I'm sure we'll get into it.

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But I know, and maybe this is

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another show of the guns
that tried and failed, you know,

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I mean, I think
especially as being in the industry,

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you see these huge roll outs
and then cue the crickets, you know?

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But meanwhile,
the Glocks are still around,

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Colts are still around, Smith and Wesson
revolvers are still around, you know,

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the Remington's,

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you know, these iconic firearms
and firearm designs remain,

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and I think we both know why,
because sometimes change

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just for the sake of change, doesn't work.

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You know, it's like if you have something
that works perfectly fine,

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and then you change it for no reason
whatsoever.

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Yep. Now people are offended because
they just bought the old one, you know?

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Are you saying that there isn't any good
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You know, so, so yeah, they a lot of them

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have come and go, but,
there's a lot who are that are still here.

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They're still here for reasons.

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Exactly.

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And, and I did write down
some of those reasons.

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And I kind of wanted to go through that,
reliability and simplicity.

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Things were, were maybe, bulkier, heavier,

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but they were
they worked because they were simple.

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And, you know, sometimes

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we've all had, guns or accessories
that were maybe a little overengineered

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and fragile and complex, and, you know,
the old stuff tended not to be that way.

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It it had to work because they,
they couldn't,

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get tolerances down
to, you know, half of a whisker.

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And, so it had to be a little more,

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bigger, robust, less, close tolerances.

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So the reliability can be there.

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Provided the,
the firearm, you know, was taken care of.

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And they tend to be simpler in general.

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Familiarity.

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That was a, a thought. That.

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We kind of take it for granted.

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But if you throw an 870 into my hands,
I don't care

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what vintage,
maybe even what accessories you put on it.

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But I can run that thing
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as I've said before, back in my days
as a baby cop at the,

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the police academy,
we had to push on the earth.

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If we couldn't field strip
that thing and and clear jams,

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you know, blindfolded in the dark
kind of thing.

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So, if somebody has been carrying
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you know, for 40 or 50 years,
they're probably pretty good at it.

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So that knowledge does carry over
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but to the group as a whole.

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So, looking at a couple of
the other ideas, and then the tradition,

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you know, as we say, guns should be fun.

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They're one letter from fun.

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So if the tradition makes you feel warm
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about that firearm and it doesn't have to,
that may not be a criteria for you.

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But I'm here to tell you,
as you get older and more experienced,

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the the tradition behind it, the story
behind the gun, who carried the gun,

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who maybe carried that particular gun,
those things really do matter.

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So anything on this that Roy.

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No. I mean, I think you're right.

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One of the primary reasons

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why classic designs remain is
because people feel good about it.

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And feeling good about it is
a significant reason why people own guns.

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I mean, not
all of us have to have a gun, you know?

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And so we do it because we like it
and because we enjoy it.

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So why would I own something
that I don't like and enjoy?

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You know,

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I mean, I have,
I have working guns, you know,

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I have a rusty $75 Marlin, 22 rifle.

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I keep in my easy go, right?

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Yeah, I it's just a tool.

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It's a it's a nail. Right.

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I know if,
if I, if I dropped it in the pond I'd go

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oh I guess I better go
get another one, you know.

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Right.

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But then I have guns that do have

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that sense of attachment and,
it's like when I pick one up,

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it starts a continuous loop video
in my mind of memories and feelings and,

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you know, and likes and,
you know, all that kind of stuff.

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And I think most of these iconic designs
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is does
that, you know, I mean, to this day,

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if I pick up a guy, world

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War 219 1145, you know, a park arise.

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Genuine World War Two veteran gun.

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And I load it with hard ball
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and snick the safety on
and put it on my desk. Here

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I feel pretty good,

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you know, it's like,

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this is going to protect me.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Yeah, because it's protected us for 115
years, I think, give or take a little bit.

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So. Exactly.

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And, you know, that was actually going
to be the first one on the list.

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But we don't necessarily have
to talk about it because it's pretty clear

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the 1911 is still relevant today
to a lot of us.

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I've got one sitting right over here
on my desk, and I carry it a lot.

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It's an officer's model.

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But, yeah, the 1911 is probably the
perfect example of what I'm talking about.

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A gun that, by all rights, probably
should have been buried in the past,

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but it's still being manufactured
by countless manufacturers.

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A lot of people still choose it as their,
carry or use weapon of choice.

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Oh, I said weapon. That's bad.

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But it's a good gun, and it still works
today.

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And I don't know of anybody
that picks up a 45 and says, well,

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I'm under gun,
but I'm going to carry it anyway.

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So it's a good gun,
but I've actually got one.

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I'm going to shock you here, Roy.

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Okay. You ready for this?

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Are you sitting down?

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I know, are I'm going to say the Glock 17.

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And when you stop and think about it, 40

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some years ago,
that thing, really got popularized.

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And as we've talked countless times, I'm

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not a huge fan of polymer guns and plastic
guns, black plastic tactical.

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But I own a lot of them.

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And I, I freely admit,
and I wanted to start this list

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with that's an oldie, that's a classic,
and you can buy them virtually any place.

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You can find

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some really old and beat up ones
because they've been around that long,

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but they're obviously a well designed,

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well thought out, gun
that, still works today.

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And you never see people
go, wow, it's just a Glock.

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You know,

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they work and I think they're going
to be around another 100 plus years.

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So I don't want to beat that point too
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But, I also wanted to point out
that even though we are,

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royalty in the food kingdom,

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we recognize that,
you know, things like Glocks

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that have been around
stood the test of time.

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They're timeless classics.

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So anything you want to add to that?

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Well, you know,
even if you're a Dodge fan,

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you have to acknowledge
the fact that a Ford F-150,

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is in the same category.

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You know, you may not like them.

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You would never own one,
but they're iconic,

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you know, and they have a legacy.

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A, you know, personally,

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I look at a Glock as I look at a ten
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wrench, you know, I mean, I

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miss nothing really special about it,
but it certainly does the job.

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Yeah.

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I mean,
if if I don't have the same feeling

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if I load a Glock and put it on my desk
here, as I do

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when I take that old Colt and load it
and put it on the desk, you know, just.

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And I don't know if it's
because I have more of an affiliation

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or because of the historical significance

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of the 1911 or a pre-war.

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Smith and Wesson had ejector revolver
or something like that single action Colt.

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But but you're right.

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I mean, it is, you know, iconic.

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I mean, I think in the manner that

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70s, late 60s and 70s muscle cars are,

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you know, I mean, other than the
Glock may be more practical,

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you know.

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Well. I tell you.

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Well, you know what blows my mind
when I was putting this list together

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is there are people that are listening
or watching, us right now

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who are of that age that they grew up
with, that truly.

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That's that's what they think of when when
they were a kid and dad was showing him

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the guns or taking him out to teach him
how to shoot.

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Probably used a Glock, you know, 17 or 19.

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And it's it's
hard for me to wrap my head around that

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because I was already shooting a lot,

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when we really started carrying semi-auto

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and, it it's, it's eye

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opening to me to think of the folks that
and they're not young at this point,

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that grew up and and look at those

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as, you know, a with fond nostalgia.

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So I wanted to add those.

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Yes, we are the kings
of the Fudd world, but,

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we recognize what what is a timeless
classic and Glock certainly is.

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But I want to go ahead.

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I just want to say if

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if you are one of those people,
please put it in the comments.

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Because what I'm curious to know
is, do you have that

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same sense of attachment and fondness?

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In other words,
I mean, I understand if you have inherited

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your father's first Glock 17, I mean,
I would assume you would hold that it

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it is with a certain level of esteem,
I think, you know, but I'm not sure. And,

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you know, if you inherited your father's
1911 that he carried in World War two

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or you inherited your

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dad's, your dad's Glock
that he carried as a policeman somewhere.

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Do does
that have the same significance to you?

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Yeah.

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And if it does, educate us.

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So. Yeah, exactly.

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But now now I'm going to get royal,
as I like to say, hot and frothy.

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And we may have to throw some cold
water on him at some point.

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But the next, gun on the list is,

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I think we can
all agree is Smith and Wesson keyframes.

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The basic design's been around
since the late 1800s,

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and they're still going strong today.

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They've been through their ups and downs.

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But, Roy,
wax poetic about Smith and Wesson.

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Double actions. Boy, you know, it's.

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You're right, though.

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I mean, they
they wrote the book literally, on that.

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You know, what I find is that there are
there are two kinds of shooters families.

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There are households
that grew up with cults

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and and then the rest of their lives,

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all the kids, grandkids, everybody.

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They're cult shooters.

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You know, they don't know anything
about Smith and Wesson revolvers.

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They don't even look at them in the gun
stores. You know.

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And the same thing applies though
some of the lessons

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I grew up in a Smith Wesson house,
you know.

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So my first Smith and Wesson revolver

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was a six inch pre-war model ten,
you know, a hand ejector.

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And it's and followed by hundreds
and hundreds ever since then.

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So I think either of those

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would certainly qualify
deep, deep, deep into this category.

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You know, and I think
for a lot of reasons, I exposure to them,

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you know, who here is carrying
Smith and Wesson revolvers as policemen,

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grandfathers, great

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grandfathers, you know, the military.

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I mean, the list is just endless.

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And so, yeah, I mean, it's like seeing

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a picture of a model-t Ford
and a modern Ford.

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I mean, it's the same thing, you know?

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So we have them from the beginning
all the way till now. Yep.

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And you already touched on the next item
on the list, which is, is Colt,

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double action revolvers, the, detective
special, the Python.

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Yeah, those are little newer
designs, per se, but obviously

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Colt has been going since the 1870s, but,
Colt firearms are still there.

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And when you were saying that, Roy, you
know, families are either Chevy or Ford,

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Smith and Wesson or Colt,
and you'll get this.

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You're either a canon or a Nikon shooter,
and never the twain shall meet.

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It's exactly the same.

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Yeah, it's exactly the same.

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Oh. Go ahead.

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Oh, I was just going to move on.

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But if you've got, words of wisdom, please
continue.

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Well, you know, Colt was fortunate
because, of course, they had their iconic

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black powder guns,
you know, the 1851 Navy and the 1860s.

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And those guns,
the Walker Cole, of course.

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And then once the cartridge guns came out,

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they had the most iconic Colt ever,
the Colt single action.

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You hold a Colt single action up
anywhere in the world,

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you know, and a tribesman in New Guinea
is going to say cowboy.

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Yeah. Cowboy gun. Yeah.

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And, Colt 1911.

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Same thing.

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So yeah.

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So yeah, they have their big juju
when it comes to all that.

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And, you know, with Smith and Wesson,
I think the model 29, dirty Harry gun

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is, is that I mean, Smith and Wesson
was on the radar, of course.

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But I think when that movie came out
and the model 29 was the star,

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suddenly Smith

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and Wesson got a focus of attention
that it never had before.

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Agreed.

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And I don't and it hasn't lost it since.

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Yep, yep.

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Well, we're
going to move away from the handguns.

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There are there certainly.

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And and let us know in the comments.

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Or you can hit me at editor at guns
podcast. Us.

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I'd be interested
in hearing what you think.

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Certain handguns fall into this category.

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The next thing on the list.

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I'm not going to beat this to a point,
and I'm not even going

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to throw it to you, Roy,
unless you have something strong to say.

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But the AR 15, the M16,

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it's it's pushing 60 years,
and it certainly is America's rifle.

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And ad nauseum, we have said we like them,

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we shoot them, but they
they don't give us warm and fuzzies.

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But I do have to agree.

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It's it's a timeless American classic.

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And, the military
is kind of moving on from it,

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but it's going to be around for a long,
long, long time.

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So, Colt, there are 15 fans, M16 fans.

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Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got it. Good.

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Good on you.

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The next one, though,
is, comrade, is the AK 47.

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It's been around a long time since
just after World War two.

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And I gotta admit,
I am not an AK fan at all.

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I know, Jeremy Clough,
one of our longtime writers

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is, dialing the phone as I, as I speak

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to tell me how wrong I am
because he is a huge fan of the AK.

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But, there's no denying
that it's a classic.

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And there's probably I.

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I've seen various numbers.

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There's a lot of,

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Ars in the United States, but
there's a whole heck of a lot more acres

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across the world.

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So that that family of designs
is, absolutely timeless.

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And I got to admit, as as Jeremy Clough
will attest, it's still a,

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a good gun of choice for certain things,
especially for self-defense.

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So we
we never really talk about the AK here.

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Though, you know, and I
if for me personally, part of it is that,

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oh, it's a evil gun, you know, because
the communists did it and everything.

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And you,

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you always see the people in Africa
who are killing each other, holding

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taped up, you know. Yeah. Painted a case.

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And so it kind of
has a bad reputation, but,

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I think a good quality AK, you know, one
that's

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made in Europe as opposed to China,
for instance, and stuff like that.

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I've shot them.

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The Vo had a basically a copy and,
you're high quality.

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They're good guns.

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They shoot well, I've shot
a lot of full auto is very interesting.

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You know, with that cartridge
you can kind of

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write your name with it almost,
you know, little short bursts.

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I can see it.

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It's a
but to me, though, it's still a tool.

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And, and so I don't look at an AK and say,

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you know, and wax poetic apologies
to Jeremy.

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Yeah, but but it I
it is an effective tool.

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And, you know,
the only thing is I have done accuracy

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testing with him, and, you know, the
I can't remember the details,

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but I'm sure someone will correct
this, but, initially,

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you you're, like, six inches at 100
yards was well within what an AK was.

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Could do. You know what that was?

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But probably in the real world,
that's perfectly acceptable, you know.

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I mean, what more do you need than that?

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And, so, yeah.

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So I can say this, though
I've never owned one.

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Yeah.

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I've only had one briefly.

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And, you know, for me,

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the only thing I really appreciate
about the AK

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is the, the, the simplistic design,

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that that they made work.

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I mean, it was really designed
to be mass produced and as we joke.

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But it's kind of true,

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you know, they're making them
in caves in Afghanistan to this day.

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And, there's a certain,

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it gets a couple of style points
for that simplicity,

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for serving the purpose,
which I agree with you, Roy,

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in most cases is evil, but,

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it's still a gotta give it props.

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It's still a viable gun.

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And, Jeremy, I'm sorry, but, we at least

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got to mention it in because there's
an awful lot of them out there.

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It's.

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Well, you know, it.

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It's such a Russian gun, you know?

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I mean, you look at it.

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Reminds me of a T-34 tank, right?

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You know, I mean, that they're just
they're not Polish.

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They're.

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I mean, they just literally
they're a brick.

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They live like a SJS, right?

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Yeah. I did own a,

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That was a Russian S-Class.

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It was actually really well made.

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It was, you know, nicely made gun.

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But again, it was just it was a wrench,

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you know, and,
you know, with the terrible wood.

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And it was just made to do a job,
you know, kind of like

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Russian handguns are that way, too.

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So, Tokarev pistols, for instance.

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Yeah. Their whole own category, kind of.

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And I know there were collectors
and people were passionate about it,

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and I'm sure we'll hear about it.

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We're idiots because we don't understand.

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We do understand,
but we just don't have that gene.

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Okay.

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So and this next one kind is in
the same category as a military gun, but,

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it is basically the the Big Daddy, the
original gangster of bolt action rifles.

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And that's the the Mauser 98
and that series, its immediate

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predecessors and,
everything that's descended from that,

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it's still considered
especially, I know, a dangerous game.

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You know,

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folks
really like the design, controlled feed.

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They were doing it right.

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And I think it helped that the
the Germans were the originators

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and they had a great tradition
or still have a great tradition

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of building quality equipment.

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If the Russians had designed the 98,

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it probably would have been popular
because it probably wouldn't work. But.

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I mean, let's, let's call it what it is,
the Germans know how to build stuff.

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And, but even today
and there was an incident recently,

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I think we all know that, apparently,
apparently, a 98 action was used.

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So they're very clearly still a relevant
firearm today.

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Well, if it wasn't for that, there
probably would not be bolt

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action hunting rifles of any kind, period.

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I mean, you know,
there were some early the, the,

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you know, Bedford, the Leon Fields,
there were some other,

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you know,
but really most of those came from the,

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the interest and ideas that were generated
by the very earliest bolt action Mauser.

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You know, just when the first time
one of those opened up the bolt

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and fed from,
whatever kind of magazine everyone else,

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excuse me, took notice, you know,

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and continue to do so today.

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So. No, you're right.

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It I don't think it gets any more iconic
than that.

447
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Yeah.

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And okay, when when you talk about icon
and we've said before,

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we try to avoid that
because everything's iconic nowadays

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and very few things actually are.

451
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But this one, this is an icon.

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Like you said, Roy, you show the tribesmen
a, single action army

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and they'll say, oh, cowboy gun.

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You show him this gun and it's the
I've got the Winchester 94 on the list.

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But really, that represents
Winchester rifles in general.

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The 94 was, the most, commercially
successful, still produced today.

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We're actually in the middle of a lever
gun resurgence.

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Marlin certainly makes good stuff,
but it's it's the model

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94 that really kind of typifies
that entire,

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let me use a big word aunt archetype, and,
you know what more we've talked about?

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Lever and lever, guns and lever love.

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I don't know what more I can really say
other than they're still making them.

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They're still popular.

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I've owned a bunch. I've shot a bunch.

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That was the first high powered rifle
I ever shot.

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So, they.

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I don't think anybody would argue, the
point of including it in our list today.

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No. And I, for me,
a lot of it is the heritage.

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I mean,
because when I pick up a barrel of 94,

470
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,200
I'm, I go back 100 years, you know,

471
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,840
and so you it's like you can feel
that legacy in the history

472
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,960
and the gun
when your hand closes around the receiver.

473
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:00,200
I don't know.

474
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,120
It's, cold.

475
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,120
Had an ad a million years ago, and it was.

476
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,800
It was a cowboy.

477
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,720
And he was sitting around a campfire,
and he was holding a single action.

478
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,880
Right. And it was real simple.

479
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,640
I don't remember it exactly,
but it said a snap of a twig,

480
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:22,800
the darkness outside of the firing colt,
and then confidence.

481
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,360
Yeah, right.

482
00:25:24,360 --> 00:25:27,040
And a 94 does that for me.

483
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720
I mean, those are the I have two of them
here that I built cut down guns.

484
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,400
And I mean, if there is a noise outside
right now I'm three steps away from one.

485
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,160
Yeah.

486
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,160
And that's the one I would pick
up, you know.

487
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,240
So. Yep.

488
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Yeah, yeah.

489
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Hey. Sidebar here.

490
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,120
Roy, I we've been talking about this
for a couple of months,

491
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,400
but we got to come out sometime soon.

492
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,600
You know what? My truck gun.

493
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,680
I've said it's an old, 1970s model
94 that I bought.

494
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Real? Right.

495
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,080
I think it's got a 20 inch.

496
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Maybe.

497
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Let's cut that sucker down
to about 16.5. And.

498
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Yeah, I know,
some people say it's bastardized

499
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,120
and making tactical,
but that's my truck gun because it doesn't

500
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:12,280
scare people as badly
as pulling out an AR platform.

501
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
The 3030 cartridge
is certainly nothing to sneeze at.

502
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,720
And, I just I have a lot of faith
and confidence in it, but, yeah,

503
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,200
if that barrel was a little bit shorter,
we might be able to do something.

504
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,480
So we could do that.

505
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,320
We'll make a video
and then, embarrass ourselves, you know?

506
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,600
So I think it's a good idea,
but no, I it is.

507
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,600
And I'll use the iconic word again. Yeah.

508
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080
But it is it can I say one more thing?
Yeah.

509
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Even people who don't really like them,

510
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,560
it's still like, yeah, that kind of go.

511
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,200
Yeah, okay. Yeah.

512
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,120
Well.

513
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,760
You know, my first experience shooting
a high powered rifle when a friend's

514
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,240
dad said, you want to shoot this,
and I'm like, oh, I can shoot that.

515
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,680
And I was, I don't know, I was 8
or 10 at the time and it scared me.

516
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,840
But I had to do it because that's,
you know, that's what John Wayne carries.

517
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,000
And yeah, even even non shooters,
the I'm scared of guns.

518
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,720
You want to shoot this? Yeah.

519
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520
It's it's it has that kind of effect.

520
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,800
Now this next gun
has this kind of effect on you Roy.

521
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,800
And it it is certainly iconic also.

522
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,400
And it's, it's unleash the Ruger 1022.

523
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,920
I think you were the one that said

524
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,280
everybody needs to own a 1022
or multiple ten, 20 Dos.

525
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,960
I think everybody does that with,
you know.

526
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Yeah.

527
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,200
I mean, I remember when there were $65
brand new, amazing.

528
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,680
I know it was just like it
competed with the Marlin Model 60.

529
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,560
Yeah.

530
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,800
Which arguably should probably be
on our list.

531
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,360
Talk about you know, that's a good one.
I never thought about that. Yeah.

532
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,600
I mean, there's there's still millions
of them resting slowly,

533
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,680
rusting away,
you know, behind kitchen doors.

534
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Yeah, yeah.

535
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,320
And stuff like that.

536
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,120
But, but yeah,
I think a ten, 22 again to me,

537
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,160
it's a little bit
more of a tool than anything.

538
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,840
I mean,
I do like what you can do with them

539
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,400
companies like Volt ports and which
I think my hat says for ports, I think,

540
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,080
but yeah, it just, I

541
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,960
think it did the,
you know, they do things to 1022.

542
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Is it with 20 1022
that that really changes things.

543
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,200
And to me,

544
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,640
that was when you when you

545
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,080
look at one of those kind of ten, 20 twos,
that's something different.

546
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,880
You know.

547
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,560
But when you see that plain Jane, 1022

548
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,560
stock fixed sights for sale at Walmart,

549
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,800
you know, for $189,
you know, that's it's a wrench, you know.

550
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Yeah.

551
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,200
I mean, it's a it's an
I don't think it's a good

552
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,720
first gun for kids
because it teaches them bad things.

553
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,840
You know,
it's like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

554
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,560
Nobody's using their sights. Nobody's.

555
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,280
Everybody's getting into trouble.

556
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
So, But I think it is a good

557
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,280
first sort of real gun for a kid

558
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,400
who's cut his teeth on a single shot,
bolt action rifle.

559
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Yeah, yeah.

560
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,880
That's probably America's best next gun.

561
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,440
That's a very good point.

562
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,640
Yeah, it should better
Ruger, add America's best next gun.

563
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,800
Paul.

564
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,600
And the folks over there.

565
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,520
Yeah. America's best next gun.

566
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,600
But, you know, something else about
the 1022 is, you know, that we always joke

567
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,000
that the AR platform is, Legos for adults
or Tinker Toys for adults.

568
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,640
The 1022 I would actually say may.

569
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,120
Well, maybe they have as many, accessories
because I know I've built and tinkered

570
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,120
and taken down and rebuilt and,

571
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,520
you know, the the cost is what's nice.

572
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,760
And being a 22, it's, it's a little easier

573
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,760
in terms of,
the mechanical abilities, but.

574
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,320
Yeah, if you like tinkering,
and messing around and putting accessories

575
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,240
and taking them off
and all that, you cannot beat the 1022.

576
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,480
They remind me of,
as that old adage about the guy

577
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,320
picks up, a hatchet
and he says, you know what?

578
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,960
This hatchet
has been in the family for 150 years.

579
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,600
And you go, really?

580
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,600
Guy looks really good.

581
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Well, you know, we've had to replace
the handle a few times.

582
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Yeah.
And we replaced the head a few times.

583
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:16,720
Yeah.

584
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,040
You know, but it's, it's this hatchet
that has been in our family.

585
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:26,040
And I know I have 1 or 2, you know, it's
a Ruger 1022 rifle that you buy, right.

586
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360
And then you replace the barrel
and then you replace the stock

587
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720
and you replace the bolt
and you replace the action.

588
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,400
You replace the sights,

589
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,600
you know, and then you just barely
have that little aluminum receiver.

590
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Right? Yeah.

591
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,920
And then eventually
you replace that with another one.

592
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,200
And so is that the same?

593
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,640
This is I've had this gun in the family
for 50 years, you know.

594
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,520
But I got to tell you,
I was watching a video last night.

595
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,520
And this will not interest the hardcore
shooters, but maybe other people.

596
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,600
The guy, in the video was used
that exact same analogy

597
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,960
because he had a, early 60s,
I think it was a Gibson SG,

598
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,560
and he took it all apart.

599
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,400
He bought it looked awful,
and it had been butchered up so badly

600
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,280
that he had to root out a whole
bunch of wood and all this kind of stuff.

601
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,240
And he said, okay, the
the guitar is mostly mine.

602
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,640
So is it still the Gibson SG
or is it my creation?

603
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,600
It looks like it did come in
from the factory, but I mean, probably two

604
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,720
thirds of the wood had to be routed out
and removed and new mahogany placed in.

605
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,680
So that's a funny concept.

606
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520
Yeah, we replaced everything,
but it's it's still an original.

607
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:34,720
All right.

608
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,120
Well, you know what I find amazing and
you do the same thing with AR fifteens,

609
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:44,040
is that you can build a Ruger 1022
and have it have not a single Ruger part.

610
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,240
Yeah, exactly.

611
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,320
You know, you could do the same. You know,

612
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000
you build every flavor AR you want to
and never once you the Colt part.

613
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,280
Yep yep yep.

614
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Well the final thing on the list is
we got to include the shotguns.

615
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,320
I'm I'm a huge shotty fanatic
and I think they're the next thing.

616
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,760
They're going to be the next big thing

617
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,560
that we all suddenly discover in the gun
journalism industry.

618
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,520
Shotguns.

619
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,800
It's a new thing. Well,
they never went away.

620
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,920
And like I said,
for any cop of a certain age, they

621
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,920
they were your,
you know, your big firepower.

622
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,040
And, I had trouble trying to decide.

623
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,040
I think the 870, the, Remington 870

624
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,280
is certainly considered the classic,
but I got to say, the Mossberg 500.

625
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,720
Did. I?

626
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,840
I'm going to put them both on that
same pedestal because I think the,

627
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,240
the, the Remington's a little bit older.

628
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,080
And the Mossberg,
came a little bit after that,

629
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,800
but they've been everything from,
nice, hunting focused guns to.

630
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Tack to cool.

631
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Shots and everything in between.

632
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,840
And they're still, made today,
still widely used today.

633
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,480
There's a bazillion of them out there.

634
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,480
So the, the Remington,

635
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,800
the Moss ten or whatever.

636
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,520
It's still a viable,

637
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520
gun for for hunting or for self-defense.

638
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,080
You and I both, you know, grew up with him
on the police department mostly.

639
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,640
I didn't have one
until I joined the police department.

640
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Then I bought my own little short barrel,
you know, riot gun.

641
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Yeah.

642
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,040
No, I agree,

643
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,320
we just have a process that every time
the guns were assigned to the police cars.

644
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
And so when you would change a shift
and go out

645
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,880
and take over the car for your shift,

646
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,200
we had a process where you're supposed
to take the shotgun out,

647
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,800
and then you had to do a five point
safety check.

648
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,720
So you took the barrel off, you did this.

649
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000
You looked made sure. You got progressive.

650
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,680
Oh yeah.

651
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,120
We had to put a penny on the bolt
and click it to make sure that it

652
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,240
had a firing pin.

653
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,000
When put it together,
then you would load it

654
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,720
with your own ammunition that you you've
always had and put it back in the car.

655
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,240
And so it was like, yeah, that was cool.
Everybody.

656
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,240
You know, it was always
this little ceremony that you always did

657
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,840
because everybody who would unload them,
of course, at the end of your shift,

658
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,520
put it back in the car and,

659
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,720
but we found out it was where
and the guns out, you know, like so fast.

660
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Yeah.

661
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,720
And so after a couple of years,
we had all these loosey goosey 1870s

662
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:13,440
that around right around and everything.

663
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,320
So but you know what?

664
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,120
They always work.

665
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,880
There's never anything about it, you know.

666
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,360
And I remember there was this one old guy,
it old cop.

667
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,640
I think he'd.

668
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,280
Come on, let's see.

669
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,880
This would have been 75 for me.

670
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,960
He had come on in the 50s, early 50s.

671
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Oh, my.

672
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000
An old mossy back.

673
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,720
Yeah.

674
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:36,240
And he called it a dozen gauge.

675
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:39,440
And so, you know, and, and I always

676
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,360
I just always liked that it because it
just like give me that dozen gauge boy.

677
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,600
You know.

678
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:44,880
Yeah.

679
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,000
Well I was going to say that, you know,
you guys were really progressive.

680
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,880
We took the other
tact. We had those upright,

681
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,360
racks that

682
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,360
had a secret button
that you could release.

683
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,600
You have a hole that goes down into to
what do you what what ends up happening?

684
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,880
Sometimes you just. Put that. Under was.

685
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Oh, yeah, a paper ashtray.

686
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,400
That was another reason
why we had to do this.

687
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,920
Because you say. Exactly.

688
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,120
They'd stuffed napkins down and it's like,
really, really, you know, you.

689
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Know, I was
I was that young tactical officer

690
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,960
because I periodically took it out
to make sure it didn't either

691
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,240
blow up, or my first shot on a bad guy
was straw paper, you.

692
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:25,920
Know. You know.

693
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,920
Yeah. Well, I actually bought,

694
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,680
What was.
I don't remember who made it farm.

695
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,800
It was a Smith and Wesson 3000.

696
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,120
It was a pump gun, right? Yeah.

697
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,720
And they authorized it.

698
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,280
And so there was a while there were

699
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,280
we were allowed to carry our own shotgun
if we wanted to.

700
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,560
So I bought a Smith Wesson
3000 and tuned up.

701
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,840
It worked really good.

702
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,440
And then I got, a bandolier and.

703
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Yeah, loaded it up
with, like, a dozen buckshot

704
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,680
and some slug and some regular birdshot,
because you never know.

705
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,000
So I put that in the rack and hang the,
you know, bandolier around it.

706
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,800
Yeah. Put the issue gun in the trunk.

707
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,200
And, so that solved all those problems
of scary people

708
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,200
putting straws down
and all that kind of stuff.

709
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,760
Well, I got to say, and this, this could
easily turn into I don't know that

710
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,520
we've ever done a just shotgun episode,
but we need to do that. But

711
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960
first
of all, I came up with a brilliant idea.

712
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Prophylactics would keep the guy.

713
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,160
Well, that's not going to happen, though.

714
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,000
But the other thing was
when you said bandolier,

715
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,040
you know, back in the days
before the sidesaddle and all that stuff

716
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,240
in the stocks, the speed feed stocks
and all that, you know, I went to to

717
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,240
I think Kmart at that time
and bought one of those elastic,

718
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,760
the whole, sling.

719
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,760
Couldn't think of the word that had
I forget what, 25 rounds

720
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,240
and they made the gun.

721
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,240
I mean, it was literally
weighed more than a boat anchor.

722
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,280
Yeah. Yeah.

723
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,000
I was actually on the sling. Exactly.

724
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Yeah, yeah.

725
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,120
You know, if you.

726
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,760
Slung the gun, you looked like
a, a general from south of the border

727
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,400
or a bandit because you had all this ammo,
but it was reassuring.

728
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
You took the gun out and provided
you had enough upper body strength,

729
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,000
you know,
it was basically a crew served weapon

730
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,440
at that point,
but you weren't gonna run out of ammo.

731
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,960
You. You know, you had 25oz of lead.

732
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,640
You could throw down range.

733
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,200
That's very funny. You're right.

734
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920
I mean, I
because I saw one of those, I tried

735
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,000
and I said, well,
this isn't going to work. Right.

736
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000
So then I bought a regular bandolier.

737
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,800
And I have to say, because you figured
normally it's four rounds.

738
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Yeah.
And that's what most cops had for rounds.

739
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Yeah. Well,
those could get used up pretty fast.

740
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,400
And so what I would respond
to, like, a bank

741
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,720
alarm call or, burglary at nighttime.

742
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,840
And you had a perimeter slot
or something like that.

743
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,000
You know, I would take the shotgun out
so that bandolier round my shoulder.

744
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,880
I have to say, it felt really,
really good.

745
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,040
And on more than one occasion,
like during hot stops where I was, a cover

746
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,400
ups or cops would come back
and they used to make fun of me, right.

747
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,200
But after something like that,
they'd look at that and they say,

748
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,280
where'd you get that again?
Yeah. You know.

749
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,880
I always and it never happened
because, you know, cops are proud.

750
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,240
But I always wanted somebody to go, hey,
can you throw me some ammo?

751
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,560
Well, no, no, I'm tackle bury.

752
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,840
Well, you're oh,
you know. No, this is mine.

753
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,920
But I do think some guys, it's, we've had
we had some incidents and guys started

754
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,080
showing up with other options
and, some of the slings that had,

755
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,280
extra rounds on them.

756
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,240
So the point came across that,
having extra ammo wasn't necessarily

757
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:43,720
a bad thing because four rounds in a hairy
gunfight will go by real fast.

758
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,800
I think you're right, I think so,
and if people nowadays, you know,

759
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,440
they have a lot of AR 15 fan
people, for instance.

760
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,720
And if you haven't discovered the sort
of protection shotguns, it's worth a look.

761
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,520
It really is.

762
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,840
I will warn you, though,
it's the same, like people take an AR 15.

763
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,720
They put every single widget on it
possibly can.

764
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:07,840
So they turn a svelte, easy to carry, easy

765
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,120
to handle gun into this little lumbering
gamer gun.

766
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Kinda. And people do that with shotguns.

767
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
So basic shotgun fix sight.

768
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,920
If you need an aperture.

769
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,440
If you shoot the slugs, that's fine.

770
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,760
Maybe a side saddle.

771
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,760
Yeah. Put a light on it and you will solve

772
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,920
virtually any problem
you will ever encounter.

773
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Yeah.

774
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520
And, you know, I gotta say,
I just saw this the other day in a video,

775
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,600
and, you know, the shotguns
always counter you.

776
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,480
You rock a shotgun,
and that'll stop the fight.

777
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,720
I'm here to tell you it will not.

778
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,000
But if it does, it's very effective.

779
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,360
So I've often thought that,
that would be one of my

780
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,360
my points if I ever have to shoot somebody
in my home,

781
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,880
I'm going to bring up the fact
that they heard me rack that shotgun

782
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,880
and they still proceeded forward.

783
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,760
That's on them.

784
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,240
They chose poorly.

785
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,000
Well, you know what?

786
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,360
I was going to tell one story.

787
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,240
We had less lethal shotguns.

788
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,200
And so for a while it was really
you had less lethal ammunition,

789
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200
but we only had one shotgun,
which was our duty shotgun.

790
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,840
And so we were always really concerned
about,

791
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,240
well, did I does
this have less lethal in it?

792
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,720
Does it have Oopsy.

793
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,280
And I
and that that happened on some agency.

794
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,320
So I shot him with a beanbag round
only it was double shot buckshot.

795
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Oopsie. Right.

796
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Yeah, but I was sorry.

797
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,360
Yeah, my bad,
but I remember there was a time we had.

798
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,160
I think they were orange stocked,

799
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,760
so they were eight 70s
and they had orange stocks.

800
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Right.

801
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,280
So those were always loaded
and in the trunk

802
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080
with whatever less lethal
we were using at the time.

803
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Right.
Beanbag rounds or whatever they were.

804
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,520
And but I remember there was a time
there was a guy standing on top of a car,

805
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,640
a complete Looney Tunes nut job, right.

806
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,360
And this was before we had the tasers
that could fire, you know,

807
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,840
and so everyone's saying, get off the car,
get off the car, get off the car.

808
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,000
And finally we had enough of it,
and somebody brought out

809
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,240
one of the less lethal shotguns.

810
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:11,760
And, And I remember he said,
this is what you said directs the action.

811
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,960
And everyone says,
you know, oh, that'll stop the fight. No.

812
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,160
He said,
what are you going to do, shoot me?

813
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,400
So he did.

814
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,680
Yeah.

815
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,880
And I got to say,
there was like this, Mike,

816
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,280
what do they call it,
micro expressions or something?

817
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,880
I think micro aggression. Yeah. Yeah.

818
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,960
As he realized he just shot me, you know.

819
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,960
So maybe you'll think
before you act again.

820
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,200
But yeah, that was interesting.

821
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,840
I don't know if people still do that
or not.

822
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,320
Would like a different.

823
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Okay. Yeah.

824
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,800
I maybe just watched a video of,
in the state of Arizona,

825
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,560
you know,
and this is another topic to that.

826
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,440
Less lethal is great if it works.

827
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,480
Sometimes it doesn't.

828
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,520
And I think law enforcement's
finally realized

829
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,520
because there was a time when,
oh, we'll just use, less lethal.

830
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Right. Well, some people don't care.

831
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,160
And, my own funny story of.

832
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,720
I've seen that, you know,
what are you going to. Do, shoot me?

833
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,840
Oh, falls the ground.

834
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520
Oh, didn't hurt.

835
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,720
Yeah, yeah. I'm
pretty sure it didn't hurt.

836
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,080
Let's put the heard.

837
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:13,600
Yeah.

838
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,120
We need to do a show like that.

839
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,760
Less like just random police stories.

840
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,280
See, people seem to enjoy it,

841
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,800
that they can share their own
in the comments and stuff, so.

842
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,800
But yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
we need to do that.

843
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,840
We haven't done a, the old, old fart
cop stories in a long time.

844
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,240
We certainly need to do that.

845
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,560
Well, it's, been great talking about this,
and I know we've missed some stuff.

846
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600
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847
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,160
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848
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,560
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849
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:44,880
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851
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,240
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852
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864
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865
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,040
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867
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00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:56,000
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874
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,520
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875
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520
And I appreciate you joining us. Right.

876
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,160
On behalf of Roy and myself,
I'm going to remind you yet again.

877
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,280
Now get out there and get shooting.

878
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,080
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