#339 - Mitchell Tenpenny on Performing at the ACMs with the Flu + How He and Ernest Were Signed as A Duo + The Song He Wrote for His Fiancé on His New Project

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Speaker 1: M episode three thirty nine with Mitchell Tinpenny. You will know him from this song right here and Copia no hang over like you. He's got a lot more on his on his resume as well. We'll talk about that. But I mean it's an hour and I actually had a great time doing this talk. So Mitchell tin Penny, who grew up here in Nashville, which is so rare that someone who grows up here actually stays, and then his successful My mind was blown later on when I say, and you can listen to see what he says, but I said, hey, anybody else you know you grew up here with the Nashville kind of making it, And not only did he name somebody, but he goes, yeah, we were a duo once and I was like, wait, what are they crazy? The second time it's happened on this podcast, so that comes up. But enjoy Mitchell Tinpenny, follow him M one zero Penny, mit m tin Penny, get it and here we go. It's Mitchell tin Penny myself here on the Bobby Case. This is a special occasion because I just got off the air. I mean, I drove home. Where'd you come from home? It's a minute from yours. Are you leaving? Yeah, I'm flying to Dallas right to this. Okay, so we're both running right. So we lined it up, but on the air for five hours, you're leaving immediately. But we made it happen. And so if my voice starts to sound like yours, that's being cool because you got the good then you know that I've just been on the air for like five or six hours. But it's really good to see you, man. It has I feel like we've we ran into each other a couple of times. A couple of times at the golf course, probably when I was playing down in Brentwood with one of my managers. Yea, a governor's Governor's club, and I believe you had a broken golf club. I've just broke it. I hit it was actually one of my only good drives all day, but the club snapped in half after I hit the ball. And it was a good drive that happened. That's not usually how it happens. Usually, you know, it's when I mess something up in a rock, it chips it out. So and you're what are you going today? Heading to Dallas to do? Yeah? To do what I'm eating a new PD up there because you got a new song, new well, new song. But also it's just you know, since my radio tour, a lot of things have changed. I just want to get to know everybody. So we're heading up there. It's gonna have dinner and then come back tomorrow. Yeah. I guess my point is, Um, you have a new project coming out, and that's kind of you know, you go, oh, I gotta make sure I know everybody, got to make sure make those relationships because they're so important. No, absolutely they are. And um, yeah we have a new song and you know, doing all that, and I just I don't know. That's how I've always been in town. I want to actually know people. And um, so yeah, he's you know, we're gonna go out there. You down just for dinner, just for some supper man go back. Who's the program director. I don't even know his name yet. I mean, like that a good reason to go. Yeah, they told him. They're like he's brand new and love and I'm like, well, I want to go. So let's set it up. They're like, well you have to fly dollars. It's like, let's fly to Dallas. Let's go. I like the hustle. Um, so let's run through a few things might before we kind of get going with Mitchell here, Uh, play drunk me please COPI Sometimes you hear a song and just remind you of a time, and that song to me, it almost it reminds me of a good time, but it makes me feel tired because I was doing Dancing with the Stars and that song was crushing, or maybe I just finished and I remember that's all they would sing. And I think you came in. I brought you into the studio because a couple of the I was training and I was like Jarna and there was another girl that was training. They won't stop singing this song. And that's what that reminds me of. It's like that feeling of like not that the song. I love the song, but that's that's a that's a rough one, my guard. That one. Mike and I were living in an apartment in l A. Yeah, that's the first time I met you during all them, I know, we met out like a lunch well something like super quick, but that was the first time I got to we get to hang out and talk and do the whole thing. And and yeah, we we talked about it how tired you. I was like, I can't imagine going back like you and Luke Brian. I don't know how you are alive. I don't know has so much energy. That's a difference. I don't have any energy. Laugh, I'm always doing stuff. I have any energy, looks like you know a mile a minute. Um, Here is if the boot fits from Granger Smith which you wrote, whoa, And here is the current song truth about you? Here you go if you wait last about me, I won't tell the truth of aout you. That's Brad Cutts. That that cuts Yeah, when you're in a room and you guys are writing that song because you know it kind of sounds like that would be a love song if you know, but it hits you. It reminds me. Not written the same way or anything, but the feeling I got when I heard Gabby Barrett. I hope because the whole song they're like, I hope it's everything is good, everything is good. Then I hope she eats like, oh God, I mean that's why I love this. I love that song so much. I love waiting to the end. Yeah, you know I love movies like that. I love make people you don't have to wait, you know, to find out what the song is about. And um, you going to a room, you Matt Alderman, Thomas Archer, you go into this room and who think it's hard to remember an exact conversation, but kind of walked me through that creative process. Yeah, I mean we were you know, we had nothing that day and you you you know you have a hookbook on your iPhone. We started going through stuff and I don't know, some kind of phrase came out like if you if you quit lying, I promise I won't tell truth or something, and and I was like immediately I stopped. I was like, hold on, we need a massage that out, because I know exactly how to write that song. I have lived that song and all honestly, I've been the guy that hasn't told the truth about a relationship afterwards, you know, and I've been on the other side that it hasn't been told the truth about. You know, we always want a better story. And I was like, I just want to write that song. And from a perspective of you know, when I think a lot of people dealt with and then apparently they have and you were gonna come to the studio perform that, but somebody gets sick. Yeah maybe a band member was my brother, Yeah, he's my Bambi. Yeah, he was just just the actual cold. It was crazy. Well, every cold is COVID until it's not. You gotta prove everything it's not. Um. By the way, you're on the song with Chris Young here, which is I think a number twenty six right now here is at the end of the bar. You can hear a cover. Man. Man, So what's been happening with you during the last year and a half or so, if you've just been writing a lot? Yeah, Man, writing a lot and and just you know, getting back to what we did at the beginning, you know, trying to trying to trying to play a lot of shows and make fans like you know, even you know, Quarantine was it sucked for a while, honestly, but we got out pretty early. Uh you know when we started to when we were a loud and we just played everywhere that would let us play UM and kind of built that go and built that fan base we started with. Man, it was just fun to get out and play shows and in experienced life again because I had nothing to write about, you know, I like to yeah, that's true too. How do you create when there's nothing that's actually inspiring you to create? Absolutely? I mean I get my ideas, you know, sitting with friends or you know, even sitting at a barn, you know, with Chris. That's where that idea came from. And so I wasn't living a lot of life. So I was like, man, we need to get back down the road. And a lot of ideas came from them. So you're out playing a lot of shows and again, you have I'm not just saying this, a lot of people say this, you have like really one of the best voices in Nashville as a singer. Do you feel because your voice is such a prize if you're playing a lot of shows, you have to do things to make sure that now as you get a little bit older, that doesn't just you know, fade off or you break something. It is the biggest stress of my life, man. It is not being able to sing is It's the heaviest way I have to deal with. It's just every single day, like you show up and you realize, like this is what you're paid to do, and you have people that work with you, and they get paid because you're seeing it's it is stressful. So I've learned who knows what I can do and what I can't do on the road and a lot more water. I'm like when you ask for water, like a year ago, I've been like, no, I'm cool, but I've made in my mind if I get asked for water, I say yes. Like, so, is there a pressure on you too, because as you mentioned there, you're not just providing for you, but you are also the basis of other people's lives too. Yeah, man, And that's uh, you know, it's it's not really why you pick up a guitar as a kid. You don't think. Yeah, and I love it. I'm enjoying every second of it. But it's part of growing up, man, and it's something you learned. And it's just being responsible, maturing. I guess um a few years ago you just you think you're invincible. But as you get on the road and you're touring, you're singing every day, like you said, you've been working for five hours already. Your voice it's just a muscle. It's a tiny muscle and it's got to have rest. And so yeah, man, I do, but it's you know, it's also a muscle that's trained. You do it over and over again. It does help, you know, I can go a little bit longer than some people who screamed for a night at a at a concert because I do it every day. That's true. It's like one of my biceps is so big. You know, I do it since I do curls a lot of single time. So you are. And I've had a couple of these conversations recently, oddly, if I'm correct, you up here in Nashville, and so one of the conversations that I have with people is like, who was in your class, like when you came to town, Because when I moved here, it was also Dan and Shay and like we were. I was doing my thing on a low young level they were doing And so there's that group. But for you, that's not really a question because you've always been here. But I guess, in a way, are there those other people that have been here the whole time that you've kind of grown with? Um? I was just Earnest Man. That's exactly what I was talking about, was Earnest Yeah. I mean we've been since eight years old. I mean we we first signed as a duo to Sony. Wait, did you know that, Mike, I didn't know that. No. Um, Sony Publishing signed us. The Warm Brothers signed me and him. Um the war you know the word. They're great songwriters and yeah, we were supposed to be a duo developing thing and uh we played a whiskey jam and Um, his name's Jimmy Robbins. She's a great songwriter. Came up to us afterwards and just pumped us up. We thought we were like making it and it was just a special time in writing really cool music. And then Keith really wanted to focus more on the writing. I want to do this other thing, and we just mutually said, hey, let's let's do it. Let's split up for a minute. Like not. There was never any hard feelings on him. We kind of both took our own lanes. And I mean, look what he's doing now. I couldn't be more proud of him, man. And and he's actually my my younger brothers three years younger than be their best friends. They grew up in high school together. Every studio I would build around my place, they would be there and we just has kids were playing music together. Man. So he's he is the writer Die from the beginning. And but everyone else I played music with the bands were smart and they got out of it. I guess my mind because I was had Earnest here last week a couple of weeks ago, weeks ago, and was talking to about growing up in Nashville, and didn't know you guys had that relationship. Definitely didn't know. It's interesting too. I had another guy up here and he plays guitar for Tim McGraw and uh, he played a lot of guitar stuff for al Dean on Aldeen's records, and he just was like yeah, And you know what, one time Aldi and I were a duo and they tried to sign us and I was like, wait, what that's like you guys just dropping out the hundred dollar bill and um, So, as a kid in Nashville, was it normal to see some of the greats just out at the groceries? Because I see Kip and Brett, like those are like and and Brett and I are actually really close friends. But it's like they're just normal. They're just normal folks here now. But when you were young, did you ever see the normal folks that we think of? It's like, wow, that those the gods of country music. Yeah, you know, I have a little bit unique situation, but that my my grandmother was president of Sony Publishing for thirty years, so I got to see, you know, I got to see a lot of artists as she signed Brooks and Dunna, you know, Taylor, so I got to be in I got to see them. But I think it was a different time too, is like, I don't know, I didn't I didn't see people walking around. I only saw him an industry things with my grandmother. It was a different time like they were for me, such super ours, you know, like you you didn't see you know, Ronnie Dunne walking down the block or something, or Kicks Brookes, you know, or I don't know, Randy Travis. You didn't see these guys out that. I was like, But I think I don't know. As we got as we get younger, I mean, as as the music progressed and times changed, I think people are like, I don't know. I see him at the bar, I see him at tin roof. You know, there's a lot of people out there. I was like, you said, I see Brett Aldre just walking his dog, probably this backpack on with the water it coming out the absolutely, So I don't know why did you walk in your dog? You're not going to tracking the him alas, like, why do you got a backpack of water? Uh? Growing up in Nashville's your perspective of Nashville is obviously different then, because this is normal everybody else. Like you drive up in a Nashville you see the buildings like, wow, okay, I'm here, but you grow up in it, yet you still wanted to stay in it. Now, if your grandmother had a big job at a major record company, did your parents do anything in music at all? And my mom uh did building for demo writers. She still does, so okay in the industry, yeah, she's in the dad worked U I'm telephone poles for Bell Seuth, so completely opposite. That was smart then, yes, my dad got out of that stuff first. So then were they going, Hey, Mitchell, I don't I've been in the music industry. I don't think it's the best thing to do. If you want to do it, We're not gonna stop you. But it ain't what it seems, man. I'll be honest. I've had these conversations with my friends that I moved here that their parents didn't agree with them, and it actually made them feel, you know, like they'll never make it. And I never had that an incredible parents, incredible grandparents that came to every sporting event I did. I was, I was a drummer, Leeds screamer, and my parents herode that shows. And they didn't like the music, but they were there. And you know, I remember I played my mom and acoustic thing one time. She started crying because she was just so happy I wasn't playing in a metal band anymore. And I was like, man, I want to make my mom cry again like that. So it's it's uh. I was very lucky, very blessed, and I and I and I can't imagine the pressure of trying to prove your parents I'm wrong. And I have a lot of friends that have done that and all the all the power, more power to them. But I didn't, you know, very blessed. You know, I wondered though, if and if I when we have kids, I won't want them to do this. If they want to do it, I will support them wholeheartedly, but I'm going to make sure I'm not gonna force anything to them. I'm gonna make sure they see both sides. Of it. This is for of it. People. It's a really terrible job where you make no money. And I say that now and that's not the case with me anymore, but for most of my life or less significant part of my life, it was. And I think it's explaining that and going, hey, I'm gonna let you know all the words to all the wards, all the it's it's not just on TV, it's not just a big concerts. But if you want to, I'm gonna convince them. I'm gonna work so hard and making sure they know that. If they still tell me they want to do it, I'm like, then let's go, because you must really want to do it. Yeah, I mean, but that's good parenting. I mean, they told me some advice, they told me the horrors. I was like, I know, whatever, did awesome. Yeah, And then I've seen them and I'm like, yeah, you're right. But they didn't say don't do it, and uh say, I'm saying I want kids too, man, And I with the two things I loved for football and and uh music, and I would warn them about both. You know what, you know, you're the rarity that it's football. You know, obviously with most of these brownies are all big baseball studs. Hey, yeah, Keith, Keith played a lot of or Earnest sorry he's Keith to be Earnest Ernest. K Yeah, he played baseball growd. I mean we we went to David Lipcom right down the road together, so like we were all in sports and he was great. And how good of a football player were you in high school? And I don't want to so I'm asking. You're not bragging. I am actually I'm kidding extracting this from you. I I started, you know, all four years. He started as a ninth grade on thee on this yeah, and then um, and then we won a state championship with Glenn McAdams, who was you know, rest in Peace, one of the best coaches. And uh, you started in ninth grade. So I'm a back hurt everything. For those that maybe you don't know, I don't care what classification school you're in, what class you guys planning? Uh? Well, shoot, I was too. I graduated two thousand and eight. Oh what class we were? We got moved up to three A from two A. So I don't care if you're single A, which was what high school was when I was going if you're starting in ninth grade, you gotta be really good. And that's pretty cool. And you were were you what position? Yeah? Wow, look at you. So how did you get the punting job because that was always on our team somebody that was just screwing around a practice and the coach is like, oh, you're pretty good at that. Let's see if you can do it. Here that just screwed around a practice pretty naturally athletic. I don't look like it anymore. But I love sports more than anything. I love to compete. I'm I loved it, man, and that's I would just whether, you know, I don't know how good I was, but I just really wanted to win and I would give my body to it. Like and that's what I would tell my kids. Now it's it's not worth it, man. I remember we played Dante high Tower, who's a you know, Super Bowl champion. I was just so tired of hearing about Dante Hi Tower. He was a running back from Marshall County. I said, I'm gonna hit him. I'm gonna hit him hard because I'm tired of y'all tell me how good he is. I remember we met right in the middle and he and I just remember that day everything shivered down my spine. We both dropped. I made the tackle, but my life was changed where I was like, I know why I'm never playing football. This guy's going with the pros because he was just so big and strong and I was just so not even stupid to think that I could mind, could I could take him one on? More? Brave it how it ends up, if it ends up with you, Dominie, Like I was just so brave. Yeah, yeah, I mean whatever, But I I remember like that day it changed my lad. I was like, wow, that that hurt really bad being here in Nashville. And again, I'm just trying to put myself into your situation. I think I would hate country music because it was because it was everywhere. I think that to me, growing up with it everywhere, I would purposefull be like I don't like it because it's everywhere. Um, and obviously you probably loved I didn't. And it came back to it, how did that work out for you musically? Yeah, that's exactly how it was. I just heard it in the car with my mom all the time, and and you know, um, I got into high school or you know, really middle school, and really got into the emo scene. Rocket Town was a big thing, um, and we started bands like that, Like I loved under Oath, I loved We're like, hey, a lot of don't yeah, I'm Bryant k. You know a lot of those Christian bands actually at the time that I just we I wanted to be them so bad. So we started those bands and pop punk, pop punk and pop pun man and even and then into high into high school went in the more metal. But and then yeah, like I said, you know, you you kind of gotta get your teenage dankst out and do that and get away from country music. And then when I got to college, my buddy, um Brad Clawson, I was, He's Rodney Clawson's son, and we've grown up together writing songs. And we got to college. It's just me and him and our you know, our room in college, and we're like, we don't have amps. We have two acoustic guitars, and we just started playing. And that's when it kind of transitioned from the rock and roll back to to home. You know, right, probably naturally, probably a little more naturally than you would have expected. After absolutely, yeah, so you live here, you stay here for college you live here. Now, there's a little bit of you wanna be like, let's gonna live somewhere else for like a year. Yeah, I get it. I get a little bit of it because I get to travel all the time. But I've always thought that, man, I mean, it just happened to be that I'm in the perfect place for what I ended up doing. But I am envious. I always think it's so cool when someone moves um somewhere for to pursue a dream, like my fiance from Canada to here. I mean, all my friends and you know, back to what you were saying earlier, it's like they get to go to their hometown and play a hometown show. Like you go to your place it says home of Bobby Bones. I don't get a hometowl show. No one cares here, you know. I got. I got to do the Rhyman and that's amazing, Like, yeah, we've seen it before. So I can't like come home to Nashville to have a big bow out hometown show. It's like it's uh, I mean, it's a blessing and a curse, I guess, but it's uh, it's pretty you know. I love Nashville, so much. I'm so proud of this town. Um, but yeah it is. It's a little different. You mentioned your fiancee, Megan. What are you do you have a time when you're getting married? And if you don't, if you haven't said it yet, don't say it. October at it all right, at to exactly two thirteen on the day. So I love Megan. I was just having a conversation and I'm not uh purposefully in as many of these high level level music meetings anymore because I just I like to do my thing. I kind of don't with all the respect, I don't care, however, my boss ish um cause it. Hey, I need to ask you of your opinion. A couple of things you bring a Megan remind me of this, like what do you think? What do you think of Megan? Thank Patrick? And I said, well, what do you mean? What do I think about her? He's like, do you know her? Or like matterr matter with Mitchell um Nor music you know from just listen to stuff? And he goes, do you think you think I think she has it? Like, yeah, she has what you can't manufacture somebody to have and then believe it for a long time, like somebody can do the little act for a year. Somebody can do that. But I was like, you know what, she has it. And I don't know what they were trying to do, but you know, they all these high level people getting there like they can only decide on a few things to really and he was like, I think so too, And I was like, yeah, she's raw, got energy, she can sing like the same as you, right, Like you're raw, you're a great singer. Like it to to be engaged in to marry someone that's also doing the same thing at around the same stage of of your careers. You're obviously in a little different places, but you know, you're not Brooks and Done yet, and one of these not Brooks and One, he's done a new artist at that point, right, you're kind of experienced a lot of together that would be awesome and difficult. It's, uh, it's the only thing we find about and it's probably what you relate to each other the most about. It's yeah, well, you know, I tell her. We told her. I was like, you know, I fell in love with music before you and saying and I want you to pursue this dream more than anything. She's you know, every other ex I had would make me choose, and you know I don't make me choose. You're not gonna like the choice, and we don't make each other choose that way. But if you come home and you have a hard day in the music industry, um, and I want to give you some advice, you don't want that advice. You just wanted to I had a hard day in the industry too. If you want to come talk about your mom, your mom, you know you're having problems with that, or your sister. You're arguing with a sister. I'm there for you, but it's really hard to communicate when you had a hard day in the industry. It's it's it's very hard all the time. So we came were like, hey, you know what we're not gonna do talk about that. You have a hard day in the industry, call your best friend, Landy Wilson, case Inton, you know who you come up with, tell them and I'll do that with my my friends and then let's let's come home and leave that behind. Otherwise, you know, it gets pretty stressful. I mean, she's a woman too. It's it's a whole different thing for us, and it's it's tough. Man but what about traveling, because again you have to hop on a plan and go eat dinner, and that's part of the job. That's the nature of the business. You have to play a bunch of shows. She is a new new artist here. Um quite successful in Canada, but you know, it's welcome to the big leagues. She has big league talent. So she has to go out now and show everyone. Do you guys mean what what's that juggling? Like, Well, it's just starting back for her now, which is great because yeah, you're right, she came from Canada. Here she had to get do the whole thing, get the booking agents, start building relationships. So she's finally getting shows bolt here when she normally would have done you know, a hundred something in Canada that she couldn't do. Canada has been pretty shut down still kind of is. So it's all opening back up now and you know, I'm I'm going today and I'm flying back tomorrow and make it to her birthday. So you know, we we we make it where like when when we're when we're home, we everyone said, are y'all writing or singing when you're home? Like no, no, you're chilling on the couch with our dogs and the opposite. Um, well, I'll just wrap up with this on Megan and not think I plan to talk about all this but you when you mentioned I was like, oh, yeah, say a couple of things. And Megan, if you happen to listen to this, I'm such a big fan and advocate of not just what you do, because everybody does everybody does that, but how you do it? I think it. I think that's a difference. And so yeah, just just a big fan and the fact that she could go and do a bunch of shows and get paid in Canada and make a lot more money, and now she has to sacrifice a bunch of money to kind of start over here. That's why I've married her or if I am man, she is inspiring and even to her man during Quarantine, her songs, just her songwriting, Man, it was just all U biased aside like she it was. I was like, man, why didn't I come up with that title? How are you know? How are you doing that? So being on the lookout for I think she's got a lot of a lot of good stuff coming up there. Do you ever do that with It's tough, She's in the business but like, my wife will say something so funny, like she's the funniest person I've ever met, my wife, and she shouldn't be as funny as she is because she's pretty. And I'm like, well, somebody got screwed because they got they didn't get anything, like there's only so much to go around you. You're pretty and you're hilarious, So somebody is ugly and not funny because they actually gave you both. And so she'll say something randomly and I'm like, oh my god, that is so funny, and I want to steal up for a joke for my stand up act. And I used to do it all the time and not tell her, and then I would do a joke and she'd be like, where did you get that joke? And what do you want to get the joke? I don't know. I just kind of came to my show. I said that to you, and you stole it, and you didn't say anything to me that you were going to use it in a joke. And so I'm like, then I try to lie and be like, no, I probably said it to you, but it's absolutely her. Does that ever happen? And like, you guys are an idea that and you're like, oh, man, I love to have that, Like, can I go with that idea? Yeah? Man, I mean we you know, we we talk like songwriters too, sometimes when we don't even know it. So she'll say something and I'll be like, grab my phone and just kind of type it down. Or we'll be watching a movie or something in a cool phrase will come out and well, I'll notice how the corner of my eyes she's got her phone too, and we're writing stuff town. It's like, I'm like, oh, the you know, the Diary of a songwriter. But man, it's a yeah, I'm with you, it's you kind of you're together. It's here, it's both y'alls, but shere's his mind. Right. Is it annoying that people? And I'm not sure it may not even be annoying, but everybody's like, all right, when you guys gonna do a big duet? Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, it's like, I don't, I don't know, we don't we're at home, we don't do that. I don't know. It's just not something we we do when we're home together. We're trying to, I mean, hopefully if we get to the Brooks and done and we have more time on our heads maybe, but right now we're both trying to you know, break it together, you know or separately. Sorry. Craig Wiseman, Yes, I say that name what what comes to mind? Um? He helped me early on when I was starting Riser House Records, giving me advice of how to start a business to hire people that it's gonna take a year and a half to figure out if someone's the right person sometimes, and he had no reason to do that. He wrote with me when I had no cuts. Um. He is the epitome of what Nashville is man and I have the utmost respect for that guy and when he's done and how he continues to want to write with new people and stay current and be the legend he is man. It's a He is somebody that I will always think higlie of and preach to my kids, to everybody about Craig Wiseman. Man, he is an amazing guy. If you were doing amount rushmore for people that personally inspire you as an artist, and you don't have to have met them, but I don't want to make all four of them. Um, people from the twenties, Yeah, right, just because I actually I would like to eliminate that because I think a lot of people feel pressured, so I don't if you do or don't, I'm gonna eliminate it. A lot of people felt pressured to go, well, whalon and they can't name three Whitland song so they can't do. And that's okay that they can't. But I think a lot of times this town, they're like, well, you probably need to like at least act like you're a big fan of the people to before. So I'm gonna eliminate that current day, give me four people that inspire you as an artist. As an artist, John Mayor for sure, I'm a massive John Mayer fan. And Michael Jackson. Um, those two growing up, we're I don't know every kind of everything I wanted to imitate musically. Um. And then I mean as far as the industry man, my my manager does. She's young. She's like twenty five and just crushing it. And she's only she might just turn yet. I mean I remember when I met her years ago and it was like, this is Mitchell's manager, and I was like, wow, she's her head was so on straight and still as at such a young age. She's incredible. Man, she is pushing down walls and it's watching that. It's is, it is, it's inspiring. It makes me want to work harder. It makes me want to work harder for her. Um the wholetel needs to know her name? Man, Kristin Nashley, she's amazing. And then Kristen Nashley, Kristen Ashley, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, she's awesome. She's amazing, man. And then um, and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put my grandmother up there. I mean she was everything to me, inspiring, the way she treated people, the way she walked into a room and took it over, but humbly, like from Alabama. You know, it's just that's my grandmother. So I'm gonna I'm gonna do that if that's my four Yeah. What about her do you think made her such a success? Uh? She was a godly woman. First off, you know she had faith, Um, but she came from nothing, She had no reason, and she was in that time women didn't get those chances. She worked away up from receptionists at Sony to running the whole thing and just didn't take no for an answer. But like this southern bell polite, but like you didn't want to. I don't know, you just you respect her. She treated everyone with that, and that's why I you know, I was thirteen or fourteen when she passed, so I didn't get like the music industry stuff from her, but I got I was surrounded by and I just got to watch how she treated people and ran you know, her life, and it was very inspiring to me that I wanted to take that over from my family as that next person. You know, she would hold all the Christmas parties, the family, every birthday they come to hers, and it's like, that's what I want to do. That's my goal now, is to you know, be a family person first and and do then. I think everything kind of surrounds your you know, kind of fits in place when you do that first. I mean my business, your business family. You got to build that strength and trust, and I think I learned that from her, for sure. It's pretty cool that you had such a positive influence that was influencing you without even knowing you were being influenced. Like that's why I'm hearing, like you have all these things that now affect your life in a very positive way. But at the time you didn't know you were a accepting them. No clue. She was just grandmother. But uh, but she's a grandmother with some with with some swagger for her. If she's running ny, that's awesome. The song with you and Chris Young, I didn't I want to play it again now? So he wrote this. How how did this whole this uh collaboration come together? Yeah, I've got to know Chris over the last four years, she became friends and you know you On that day it was Chris Young and Chris and Stephano on my phone, so like you know, our publishersual book dates and but that day was during quarantine with quotation marks. I don't really know when that ended her what it was. But and then um, it was a snow apocalypse. So I was so, we haven't been writing a lot. I hated zoom rights. So I called Chris up and I was like, dude, I need to get out of the house today. I need to write a song. I know it's snow and he goes, boody, I got four wheel drive, come on, let's go. So we show up at to Stephan Knows and we just started talking, you know, catching up again and been and Wallison saw of us had done that, and Chris said something like, man, you should have seen me and Mitchell at the end of the bar like a year ago, were like we were we were, you know, vin and talking about all the industry stuff. And I was like, oh, wait, what did you say right there? I think that's that's that's the song when you read today, because I met you there, I met Megan there, I see my cold still, see my ex there. I made best friends I don't even know their name there. I was like, look, I think that could be a cool song of writing. I just wanted to Chris young cut because I love his voice like more than anything. But then after the end of that we wrote it, Chris like, we'll get on in there and sing it, and I'm like, dang, man, I really wanted you to sing it, so I got in there. My voice is trash that day too, because I've been singing a lot in my studio, and I gave everything I had on it, man the demo, and Chris called me two days later and he's like, man, do you might have put a voke on it? And I was like yes, yes, And I was like yeah. Then of course. And then two days later, Hey, buddy, I think I want to put this on my record. I'm like, it's all happening. And then then he called and he said, well, would you want to be a duet? And you mind if it's the single? And I'm like, it happened that fast for me a week because it's so hard to get a cut, let alone a single, And you know, all I wanted was, you know, Chris Young, to hear Chris Young sing on a song of mine. So it was just I don't know, it just kind of happened really organically and fun, and it was just one of those cool, cool things. And he's an amazing singer man, so it was really fun to sing with him. When you guys saying, I believe it's the A C M S Right, that's the show, right, Yeah, we just did just a couple of weeks ago in Vegas. Um, being such a good singer and you're singing with somebody else that's such a good singer, do you feel like you gotta be like, well, I really gotta I gotta stretch it and try to get a little better, because when you're by yourself, you're not you're not compared to anybody well, of course, yeah, and especially up to him. And that is the highest song I have in my catalog, saying with him because that day, I really I was trying to impress Chris Young and when we wrote it, and so I sung it way too high and then so now it's a challenge and dude, I had the flu with the A C M S not God, I had the flu, and so I had to get a steroid shot. I had to. I was so scared that I wasn't gonna be able to hit the note. Um, I don't think, you know, like you did in your mind. I think so. Yeah, the adrenaline kicked in. It was fun. You know, it's my first at M performance ever, and so we just kind of like you do. You turn it on and you figure it out and then you kind of black out and then it's over. And then I'm like, it's over. There's nothing to do about it now. And you know, I got a lot of good feedback, and but I was so nervous all day. Man, to be honest, what he really was being sick on a performance day, especially a big performance. Say that you can't really get out of yea and that steroid show. I've had, I've just hadn did a bunch of time for all just losing and for a second it's like this, you're awful. Then you're like, whoa that's going and then when it goes away, it's just like like a train's run you over. You're very thankful. Did it exists and you were able to use it powerful tool sparingly though, Yeah, you can't use it too much. It's just not really helping. It's it's hiding the help and it's not healthy. But it's not helping her healthy. Yeah, so you use them when you absolutely have to, that's yeah, But but there's the fact that they exist. Yes, it just saved my life five times for sure. A few for me too. I'll be in a city once we were snowed in and a casino in Iowa that, Mike, do you remember that, as sick as a dog, we went and track down a steroid shot and I'd be behind like a bowling alley and a waffle house even a Yeah, it was like a hash Brown special and and I remember I just felt terrible, but layd in bed, going there's no chance that I'm going to fill in you. Oh and then afterwards you're just alright, congrats on that. Though for you know, the big Awards show, it's you know what's great about that for you? Is it now that you have your first one? It's almost like this is my audition tape for other shows. If you're like considering me and you're on the fence, watch me do it. I didn't think about the Yeah, man, absolutely, it was awesome. It was an honor. Man. That's just to sit down there in the artist with everybody and you know, I have an artist, our respect come up saying, man, that was awesome, really great. I mean, whether they were just being a nice or not, that it feels good. It inspires you. Man, it was a lot of fun. You wrote a Christmas song for Dan and Shay um So, I have two questions and like, can I hear a little bit this first? Chris? So, My first question is when you write a song like this and you talk about writing it high low, are you in Shay and the same you sing in near the same vocal spot? He's he's he's definitely a highest. He's got more ranged in me. Okay, But I'm not saying range or better singer, but I'm saying, when you in your most present singing voice, are you in him and his? Are you around the same? Yeah? I think yeah, I think we can. Yeah, I think so. So when you ride, is it pretty easy for him to do it? Like, oh yeah, I mean he's such an amazing melodic person. Like he's just so good. I don't know, it's just you kind of just like like you said, you kind of just gotta up your game when you're around. He's, in my opinion, the best singer, and I mean not just Nashville that I've ever heard. Control wise, he is just so good. So like even like you know, when you're growing up learning guitar, you're you want to put yourself in the room with people that are better than you because it makes it ups you. And he is definitely that. So to me, I don't know, it's just something happens those days because you just like really want to be able to do what they're doing, and then I think you and then you'll leave and you can't do what you just did in the room, if that makes any sense at all. He's that kind of singer, man, So I mean, he truly is the best I've never heard him seeing have a bad day. Like ever, he's just like incredible, he really is. I have um yeah, yeah yeah, opt on his tour bus once and he was in his underwear. He has slept until like Daniels are already running hills and that day was still asleep into like one pm. Like like that's a bad day, right, you have it right there, buddy, Yes, let's let's let's say um but yes, but I would he would probably say similar things about you as far as how good of a singer that you are. And with that song, my prediction, well prediction forward face my um suspicion with that song that song specifically Christmas song is it? It It made a lot of money. I don't even know, you know, I have to look. I mean that one was kind of me and Andy and Jordan's started that song and then we ended up writing Naughty List for my record and then they gave that the Then Dan and Shaye added to that song. So my I don't know what addition is. It did extremely well. I hope so that watch was bought probably with just that song. Uh yeah maybe, I hope so. I just my business manager hasn't yelled at me yet, That is all I care about. As long as she doesn't scream at me, then I feel okay, do you ever call her? And I did this a lot whenever I first started to have any taste of success, I didn't know what a business manager was. To be honest, I didn't grow up in an industry un industry. I didn't. I still didn't didn't write. So they're like, well, I was having to pay people, right, I started to pay um a tour manager. I was having to pay people. And when I was doing cord, there's all all these percentages, was trying to pay man and and finally I was like, you have to get a business manager. I was like, I have enough manager or any pay anybody else. They said, well, they'll do all that for you. They just get a really small percentage, but you don't worry about anything anymore. And I'm like, wow, I just I couldn't understand it, couldn't Now. I can't live without her. But I would call anytime I was gonna buy anything. Hey, I'm I got a new heir headphones? Is that okay? Enough? And so I would make those calls and I will do that now occasionally, um, But do you have to do that now? If it's like I'm gonna buy a nice watch, do you call and check it? Like? Are we cool here? Yeah? I definitely do. I mean I'm not. I'm not, you know, crazy rich by any means. You know, we're living okay, we're blessed, but I do. It's just it's just out of respect to everyone else, you know, I want to make sure that I don't buy something and I can't pay another obligation. But to your point, like I couldn't live without her, she does that and I asked her and she's be like, yeah, okay, you're fine, We're okay, just you know, chill out on the chill out on the on the drinks at the bar that you're buying people and you refuse. And you know what, I appreciate that about you. Yeah, it's it's and I think until I actually for me, it was about I had to pay so many percentages and I was I would sit there with a notebook and in my computer and be like, Okay, if I get to this person, I gotta docks. I spent all my time doing it, and I'm very like that too. I enjoyed doing my bills and then you know, I was paying my band, and then I realized I wasn't taking taxes out. I got screwed, you know, when we were in a van and all that. And it's like when she said I'm gonna handle it all. I mean, you play forty eight states. There's a different tax in every state. It's unbelievable. Who does that. She will send me said, hey, you need to send sign your California tax returning. I don't live in California. Did a stack you know? It's as high as his water bottle of tax you know, of every state and all this stuff. I'm just like, this is what you do every day. She loves it, and I'm very grateful for those kind of people, because I would lose my head. There'll be no chance. And I never learned it and I never will. I'm gonna tell you why I was to pull or to understand it or think I would ever know anything about money? Yeah, just we never We never had anything. And then I made a lot of money quickly. So then I was like, I'll just I need to hire people to do it. Why do I need to know? So I was too poor to understand, and now I'm just like, I don't. I never I'll never understand. I'm just dumb, and I'm just gonna have people do it until I can't afford it anymore, and then I'm just gonna go back being dumb again and not do it. Well, you've been there before, you know you can. I don't know that. If this ever doesn't work out anymore, I can't get back. And I'm telling you right now, there's not a ladder to get back here. This is my one shot. No, no, I mean, like you know, yeah, I'm the same way. I mean, if it doesn't work out whatever, I'm ill. I know I've made it with nothing before. I'll do it again. That's my thing. I won't make it. I will not do it again. I'll just go work at the mill. Well yeah, yeah, I mean I'm all homeless aside. If we had to go back to a van, i'd quit, like, but you wouldn't. And that's the truth. Yeah, probably you would. You do it and you love it, And you know what. If I was kicked off of here, I'd go. I'd go back to Arkansas. I'd lick my wounds and I probably hop on a station in Fayetteville, Arkansas and be like here we go let's see if we can. Because we love what we do, and that's with anyone and what they do. If you love what you do, you work harder at it. If you work hard at something long enough and smart enough, you will be successful in your your own version of success. I totally believe that. I love that. So we're just a few weeks out from the low Light Sessions, the actual data that is April fifteen. One song out now, Horseshoes and hand Grenades. Uh here, let me play do you have? Oh nice? So feel don't see the cowshoes? And so what what's what's what's the vibe with these next eight songs inside of this the low Light Sessions? Yeah, man, just just you know, not as produced up. There's you know, nothing that I went in like, oh, we gotta make something that sounds very radio single. These are more singer songwriter, deeper lyrics, which I hope could work at radio too. But they're they're more, you know, stuff that I wanted to write and I've been one to put out for five years. Some older songs from the first girl I met that didn't work out to the last songs about Megan and uh and everything in between, and just you know, just deeper lyrics and just a chiller vibe, something like low light sessions. You can kind of chill out, you know, sitting the fire, drive around and not even listen, but just here in the background. I like that that unoffensive won't hurt your ears. You could you could be playing anywhere and you'll you know, it'll be a good vibe. That makes sense. Chili's I want to be my case, so skill it and I want to hear grenade. That's what I'm talking about. Going to get a case of skillet. Do you know where you guys are going tonight? No? Um, no, I don't make sure. Hope I have and your uncle uncle, Well, it'll be aunt Sonny tonight. It's my page. Is my region out there? Yeah? Aunt Sony will be paid to night. What time? What times you fight? Three? Okay, we're wait a few minutes. I just got a backpack with a shirt in it. I'm gonna walk right there. It's and then you're gonna not spend the night or get on a flight tonight and come back. I'm gonna spend a night. We were gonna do lunch and come back, but couldn't find one. I was like, let's just come back in the morning. I used to do that whenever I was a radio guy, and like before I started syndicating my own show, and I was just hustling. Um, I would fly places. Well, what I would do is I would hit up people and be like, Hey, I'm gonna be in town. Are you free for lunch. I'm in town for like a day. And I wasn't going to be in town, But once they would agree to lunch, I'd freaking I'll buy me a flight on Southwest. I'd fly over meet m for lunch and be like all right, and then I'll just fly back home. And it would be exhausting. But they would not go to lunch. They wouldn't have happened. I was like, Hey, I want to fly in and meet you for lunch, and they say, no, don't do that. That's crazy. You're you're crazy. But I're like, hey, I'm gonna be in town. Any chance you want to grab lunch? Like five times out of six they would say yes. And I made a lot of my relationships that way, very smart man, by just hustling and and you know, wearing it out. And so when you mentioned the last song is about Megan on this is that the way you are about her and you wrote it by yourself. Was that important to you when writing a song about her to write it by yourself or is that just how it happened. Yeah, man, I wanted to write that song. I'm not gonna sing for her at my wedding this song, but I wrote the song thinking about the wedding and thinking about that whole how we how do we get to the point of wanting to marry each other? And how did I fall in love with somebody so much that I want to marry you? And so I'm not I don't want to do the cliche like here, I'm gonna make this whole moment about me when you're walking down the aisle. But I wanted to write the song about her walking down the aisle, and so, you know, that's kind of where where my head was that when I wrote that, and I was just you know, we were still in the same house. This was during quarantine stuff. So I'm just downstairs in my studio writing and hoping she's upstairs not listening, and uh, and she's feet in the bathroom. I'm just hoping she's not near her me listening because I'll be a little embarrassed. I'll be like, man, I turn on a blow dryer and just do my thing when you ride your bathroom. Okay, okay, So you write the song, and how do you when you write a song about someone, especially one that's very vulnerable and personal. Will you play it for her with your guitar in mouth? Or will you play it for her after you record a demo? UM I had her could just come down listen to it. M guitar and mountains like weird, dirty weird things. You gave her guitar and mouth. I gave her a little guitar and mouth last night. And then what then what not what happens, but what happens because she has to listen and there's now a reaction that she needs to give you, even if she's not I'm not gonna say feeling it, but if you're making yourself so vulnerable, she owes you something in vulnerability back, even just to make you feel like it's even it's the toughest thing then because she'll come home too with that same thing. I just wrote this song about you today. You want to hear it? Yeah, of course? And then you and then you hear it, It's like, it's not that, Like, what reaction are you looking for? Like, I don't know what. Like I'm more now I'm thinking about the reaction, and said listening to the song because I don't want her to think that I don't love it. I'm sure she got some of that. I mean she you know, she teared up actually on it. Really, so you got emotion that one. Yeah, that was a good one. No, I mean, we were very honest when it comes to songs. Man, that's just the way it is. We We write a million of them, but that one she did. And then she just wrote one call my left Hand, that the best thing about my left hand is a ring on it from the right man. And that one got me, you know, I was that that was like, Now, I was like, dang, dude, you really you really got me on that one. So every now and then, those songs do work. I'm gonna play the way you are just thinking about that's good. If I were to write my left hand because I'm left handed, that would be dirty. All right, here we go, Here is the way you are. So you can fear my happy girl singing along to the read the movie jee Minoria I'll be proving an amazing don't change a thing about because I love you just the way I would like if I were you and an artist and a songwriter. If she said, hey, listen to this song, I would be going, Okay, now, am I listening with my heart? Am I trying to listen to how deep the words are as to me? Or am I listening for the hook? Like going, hey, this would be this is a great catchy song. It is. It's almost like I would really be given into me and then go I want to go away. Let's do it by myself a few times, and then let me have my my thoughts on both because I may not give you what you're looking for. As far as why you were looking for me to listen to the song, No, that's very fair. I mean, yeah, it's the what you do with when you live with another artist and a songwriter for sure. And like like we just said, man, it was I don't know that one. That one worked, But I've done it before and did not get the reaction I was expecting. And I'm I know I've even heard the not giving her the reaction she's expected you, especially when we're like driving the car and I truly just don't want it, Like I want to turn on old pop punk music and she's got demos, you know, like and like no offense to her at all. I'm just like, can we listen to those later? But she really wants to play them. Then it's like my heads is not in the like hearing any of it. It's it's all great, she's great. So it's like I know it's great, but I'm just not there so I know. And then I'm sure I give that to her too, and I'm in the truck, I'm like, hey, I gotta do move, you know, And it's it's gotta be the same way I like it to do a movie voice that when it's a demo and my mine is on such a lower level than yours. But there are times where I write a song that is so freaking funny that I will I will write it, I will laugh out loud, I will think about it and laugh out loud. I will randomly laugh out lot and what you laugh a loud about myself? I'm like, oh, yeah, that song I wrote, like it's that funny to me, And then I will play it for Caitlin and she'll go, oh is that one of those. Is that a serious when you tried to write yes, and I'm like, she's like, oh yeah, there are some funny parts. And I'm like, oh man, that I suck. And then I have to get over my little my little pride. I'm like, how would you make it funnier? It's like, well, what I would do? And I'm like, oh, that's that's perfect. God dam I mean, that's why we have Oh man, that's why we're lucky. It's okay, keep us in checking. I don't know, man, it's a deal with it too. It's funny. It's it's just funny. It is. What if we see each other, We're gonnae each other a lot over the next few years, unless I die a plane crash, which I still think could happen. You heard it here first, I say it a lot. Yeah. Um, I'm really scared iFly so me too. If in five years we're sitting down the same situation, like then, we've only really said like this, you know a few times of the last five years, Mitchell, like, we're in five years, do you feel like you need to be And I don't care what what platform you choose, where do you need to be to go like, yeah, I feel good about where I am right now. What's that goal I want? I want a kid or two with megan, um, and I want music to not be why I have to make money. I want to be financially sound so that music is just music again, you know. Right now it's my job and I'm trying to set it up, like I want to make money in music, put it in something else to make me money so I never have to think about it again. Then I can just pick up a guitar, go to my kids game, you know, like I want to. I want kids and I want to watch them grow up, and I don't want to be on the road this much. That would be my goal in five years and hopefully you know we can get to that point. Um yeah. And you know, and obviously just to still be in this industry in five years, man, that would be a That'd be a huge blessing. That's a big win. Yeah, just to be in, to stay in, I mean, somebody believes in you, somebody's investing in you, Somebody thinks that you got enough in you that they can make something. And just being in is a win. Um. I think sometimes it and I get lost too with like, wow, I wish I could do this, have this show to this award. But in the end that's definitely doesn't matter as much as we think it does. In the moment it's happening, right, I got all the awards. I'm telling you, well, the second you get it, you forget about it because you went the next I do immediately. It's not even that. It's like mine too, isn't just about the next It's about, oh god, well if I don't win the next one, I'm a freaking loser. Yeah, you're done. It's not it's not like I'm cocky. It's like, well, I won this one, but if I don't want the next one, I'm on the way down and I'm out of here and I don't get to work anymore. Well, it's just competitive and understanding. I mean, it's just you. This industry is such a roller coaster, man, and it is what it is. And it's very hard, you know, It's it's it's hard, Like I tell all the time, these songs. I had to learn that these songs aren't my babies, they're my business. And I've got to you know you, it's a really hard thing to put that aside and figure that out and understand that. Man, you're gonna you'll have a high moment and then you could be two weeks later. This industry is what have you done for me lately? And it takes a toll on everybody. Man, it's there's no doubt about it. But what's it? Do you think about what you said a second ago and you're talking about your goals? He said, you know, you want to make music to not have to make money. And listen, if you make money, great, that's amazing. But you want to make me But what's funny is your goal is to be back where you started. Because I feel like that in a lot of ways too, because I didn't make any money. I was doing it because I love to do it, and that's the only reason I did it. And I never thought I would make money because nobody made money around me. It wasn't a job you can make money in. But I just loved it and I was okay not making money because I was fulfilled, like I was already in my mind successful because I was doing what I love and if I could just stay in it, that's a win. That was the beginning. That's the beginning. For you too, because you weren't you're not making any money in the early on. Then you get the middle stage where you've got to make money because you got bills, you got a But you want to get back to that feeling like when you first started that that then is in the evity? Is it aware, naiveness? I don't know what is it, but it's like you know, any you get a little bit of success, you start thinking you know everything, and that's when stuff stops happening. But I thought that before I had success. Yeah, yeah, but when you get but I want to get back to like, you know, not knowing any rules, not knowing any better. I think that's when some of the best stuff happened. And I think that is some of the best stuff that came out of you know, the COVID thing was I I quit trying to do everything for everyone else and started writing music again like that, you know, And I want to get to a place right it is so free that I have nothing else to worry about except the music. Again, that's very poignant, and I like that because I believe too that not knowing the rules is actually better than breaking the rules, because I'll use my career as an example, I have never had a mentor or anyone to tell me, hey, look that's really not how we do it, or that's how to do it. And I didn't like that. I was like, man, I'm always just floating vote, I'm solo. Um. However, I did think so different than every everybody else, and I was always told it was weird and I never fit until you realize you're not weird. You don't fit anymore. Everybody's weird for not trying to fit into what you've created, and now you've to And so me, not knowing the rules was the greatest thing that ever happened to me, because I made my own and I made my own path, and yeah, I messed up a lot, but not knowing allowed me to go in places that other people really hadn't been. Yes, that's why you're here. I don't know by that, I mean that's a luminati. But still, well, I thought we weren't talking about that. Okay, listen here, we've done an hour here. It's been a lot of fun. I'm glad that we've really enjoyed this Probby thing. Yeah, we were trying to get you in already. And then Michael was like, hey, he's leaving, can you fly home? And I was like, I was like, what's your name again? What was that? Was that guy? And then after he showed me a picture of you? I was like, I remember that, just a little me. I live right down the road. We go golf whenever you won't. And so are you? Are you good? No, I'm like a I'm like a ten. Okay, I'm gonna hold you up better than I am. I know you're better than I'm like a twelve or thirteen. We'll probably the same. No, you're better than I am. And I have a little machine out there, and I still I'm not good. I did see that very envious. I need one of those in my life. That's when I know I'll make it. That Bobby bones it's pretty. I'm not gonna have all the things that's pretty. But I should be better and I'm not, because well, I'm gonna give you my platter of meat and cheese here. I work a lot. Yeah, I am constantly working. Therefore I can afford that. Yeah, but because I'm working so much, I can't really get on that. And because I'm not on that that much, I don't have time to go play the core. So it's a weird situation here, Isn't that what it is? Man? You buy all this stuff and can't use it because it's the only way you're able to buy in your face off, and you still keep working your face off. That's why it's like, spend your money now, man, because that I'm not. I'm just I'm scared of money. I'm scared of it. I don't know anything about it. Um I. My therapist says that people that and generally that uh don't have a lot either are very selfish with their money and hide and keep it all or give it all away. And I very much so to a detriment in that second one where I'm just like, oh, you want here, why don't you take Let me help you here, let me do this, let me help you. And I know for a fact if I wanted, nobody's gonna help me. You know, of those idiots, I think I'll be like I always spent it. Man. But that's more of my point is you can have the golf simulator when you watch, I'll just pick it up the truck. It's the size about five trucks. But yeah, we'll make it. Okay, okay, Mitchell Tenpenny. Uh, we're gonna we'll actually go over this again the week that you're the low Light sessions come out. But for everyone out there, you can get horses and hand grenades. Can you pre save this? Yeah, it's a it's tough for pre sale now. And that's the song that comes. You know. What is an onliner The fact that people are like, hey, going and pre like and pre save my song. I'm like, well, I don't know that I like it or want to save it yet, but I understand why you're getting me too. But what's next? Hey, go ahead and click that button? So when I think of an idea, your you get first DIBs on it. You know, it's it's a weird situation. But if you had that button, I push it. And that's my point. I pushed the dang button, Megan. I push your button, Megan. I would like so you guys check it out again. The new single is we're playing it. You got to You got two songs on the radio right now. That's what I was confusing to me, because you have Yours is actually on the chart now. It just this week, yeah, just charted. I just want to get a little red arrow beside it, and that's it, and that's a big deal. You got the look. That's the goal to keep the little red arrow. And then so truth about you and here's the clip of that one more to if you last. And then Chris Young and Mitchell tin Penny uh the duet here and I will say this, you're double dipping here and I like that you're on it and you're getting publishing too because you wrote it. Spent a minute since we've been up here, So thank you. It's going to have to read Mitchell is here, ask him one Our final question is from read read was caller tent? So we got to be part of this interview? Um, no he's not either, he's our video guy. I'll say, well, I didn't know that you read. What's your question? All right? Let's see, since recording equipment is like so accessible nowadays, like you probably have a home studio, Um, how often do you end up recording parts at home that end up in the final cut? Or you mainly do a good question, sir? Are you mainly just doing demos and stuff like that? A lot of demos? Who you are? Everything I did down there that um, the whole things just played at all, wrote it all, did it down there, and I just sent it off to Jeff Brown to get mixed. I'm not to make sure I do not have those years, but produced it, played it, recorded everything down there with you know, I have a universal audio preamp and a knee and and then I mean a compressor and a knee preamp and into a manly man and that's all you need now. I used to I have. I have like a hundred microphones I need to just sell because you don't need them anymore. Man, I don't need to do a whole drum kid. I've got to I've gotta lect your kid that goes through the computer and it's playing real drums. Like I was with near Z, an amazing drummer yesterday, and I programmed using his drums already. So but then I went into the studio for him to do real drums. I'm like, hey, can you do it like I did it with your drums on the computer? Plase it was. It's a weird thing, man, But yeah, man, I I do a lot of back and forth and overdubs in my studio to Yeah, I stopped listening, I don't know, five or six aboards then because I'm gonna talking about I was just really waiting for you you to turn your chair around and talking again. The one thing I did here, you say, because I understood the words, is we have too many microphones. You don't need them all. Now, my wife might say that about my shoes. I'm right there with you on that one. Yeah, and she likes shoes too, but I think even with mine, she's like, hey, you don't have that many feet like you don't you won't have that many feet. Um. So that part I understand that I related to. Okay, Mitchell, t we did. We've done an hour look at us. That's how you know. This was a plus. And the funny thing is we're gonna start recording now. So this was all like we're good and warm. Now follow follow Mitchell m the number ten penny. You see what you did. They're in ten penny um, and follow him on TikTok to guys things on TikTok. Yeah, I love TikTok. Come on, come on over, Mitchell. Good to see you, buddy, Good luck and have fun at your dinner and we'll talk to you sim