Marty Supreme Review, Avatar: Fire & Ash, Dead Man’s Wire, Voice of Hind Rajab (#1047)

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Speaker 3: I'm Josh Larson and I Metam Kempinard.

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Speaker 2: How do you live? Well? I live with the conference of my believe in myself. The money will follow. And what do you plan to do if this whole dream of yours doesn't work? It?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't even enter my consciousness?

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Speaker 1: Maybe it should. In Marty Supreme, Timothy Shalome is a fifty era table tennis player bent on success at any cost. Josh Saftie's film is part of this week's slate of reviews.

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Speaker 4: Also this week, Gus Van Zant's new one, dead Man's Wire and James Cameron's Avatar Fire and Ash. It's all ahead on Film Spotting. Welcome to Film Spotting. Happy New Year to all of our listeners. Happy new Year to you, Josh. It's been a little while since we've seen each other, though we have been churning out the content still for our listeners.

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: How is your holiday season? And I think we've talked about this before. Any resolutions you want to share, you don't strike me as a resolution kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: Oof. Well, happy new Year to you as well. Yeah, it's been a good break from school from the show. Honestly, a lot of the stuff we've been sharing is stuff you and Michael putting the can months ago and even as far back as Film Spotting Fest last March. So yeah, it's been a nice break. I can't wait to get back to doing this. And yeah, no resolutions for me, I mean, can can I just say I plan to finish this master's program, I'll come back from Scotland hope to get that dissertation in. That should be. That's enough, right, I don't need to add anything on top of that.

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Speaker 4: I think you have enough on your plate. It is a new year, but we are going to remain in twenty twenty five for a little bit. Next week we will have our year end rap party. It's going to be a quiet affair. We will be doing it as we are recording right now, from the comfort of our homes. As that goes anyway, Josh, can we call what you're in a home?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I'm supposed to say flat over here now, but it's a flood feels homey at this point. It is not going to be as much fun as our live shows, Adam though, which most of these rap parties have been really throughout the show's history. I think, you know, during COVID obviously there was a year, maybe two or maybe even three we did it remotely. We're going to return to that this year. But the topics these are always fun, so I think we're still going to have a good time.

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Speaker 3: We will.

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Speaker 4: It's our scenes of the year, and we expect to get back to a live show rap party at some point, but this year we are going to be doing it remotely and we will share our scenes of the year opening scene, funniest and most moving moment, our favorite music moment, and of course we will crown our scenes of the year. You can be part of that show. Send your picks to feedback at filmspotting dot net. And since we are a video show now, you know you don't have to just send an audio voicemail. You could send us a video with your phone and be part of the video show too, right, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Brave New World. I hadn't thought about that. I don't think we've done that yet. So that way we have an exciting way to just shake it up in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Again that email feedback at filmspotting dot net. This week you are our correspondent. You were, you were live on the scene. You're gonna fill us in on Avatar, Fire and Ash. I can't wait, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, Adam, I can I can breathe on Pandora Now I don't need the mask anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing whole new experience.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I can report on Gus van zant'ce new one, dead Man's Wire, which opens this weekend in limited release. And we also have a new pull for you looking ahead. We want to know your most anticipated film of twenty twenty six. Though we do have the asterisk that comes out pre Memorial Day, so the first test of twenty twenty six. As we just said, we are going to remind you that Film Spotting is now available as a video podcast. If you're a Spotify listener, you can toggle between audio and video. You can also watch the show on YouTube. Our YouTube is YouTube dot com slash film Spotting and for a link to all of our episodes and a link to those video episodes, just go to filmspotting dot net slash.

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Speaker 1: But first, Marty Supreme.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing today?

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Speaker 4: During part one of our Top ten show, Alison Wilmore spoke at length about her number nine film of the year, So why not start with the insightful foundation she provided? Alison described the tale of aspiring table tennis champion Marty Mauser, loosely based on the real life story of Martyriesman, as a quote spectacularly entertaining, chaotic, stressful, wonderful experience unquote. Invoking the Cone brother's creative split, she spoke of the Saftie brother's individual output, allowing us perhaps to understand how Josh's contributions are unique from Benny's. Marty Supreme suggests that what she considers the Safti Brothers sensibility that desire to center movies on characters who are basically addicted to writing on the edge of chaos and courting disaster almost compulsively should be attributed to Josh. She called Marty someone who believes he has an obligation to pursue his talent, and that Safdi and his co screenwriter and co editor Ronald Bronstein are using this compelling and repellent character her words, to represent everything compelling and repellent about the American dream, our capacity for self mythologizing, and the achievement of individual success. As for the actor portraying Marty, this is Timothy Shalomey's best role to date, in large part because his charisma and conviction are such that, despite being so destructive and irritating to everyone who is close to him or comes into contact with him, you never doubt why people continue to help him. I think the ways in which it manages to have this character be both so appealing and so kind of awful is an incredible art, summarized Alison formally, she praised Darius Kanji's cinematography and Jack Fist's production design for How Lived In the early nineteen fifties setting feels bearing none of the weight of nostalgia. Such period pieces typically do as well as the eclectic array of faces assembled by Safty and casting director Jennifer Vendetti, which includes business mogul Kevin O'Leary, an indie filmmaker Abel Ferrara, plus relative newcomer Odessa Zion, who plays Marty's childhood friend and lover Rachel, to compliment established stars like Gwyneth Paltrow as a former Hollywood star and socialite named Kay Stone who has an affair with Marty. Ultimately, Alison loved all that the movie shares with the Safti's uncut gems, but also believes that it and specifically the ending, which I think we might get too in some separate spoiler talk, offers something more substantial than the sheer thrills of watching a chaos addict. Josh, I know you like Marty Supreme. I know you like Marty Supreme because I saw your three and a half star letterboxed rating. That should tell me you like it. Apparently, I can't know for sure unless you click the heart next to it. Four out of five could mean didn't like. Two out of five could mean did like up is down, Black as white numbers are meaningless whatever, I'm not that chaos. Come on, here are some more numbers. It didn't make your top ten nor your top twenty five. With Allison's case in mind, tell me the biggest reason why you did click the little letterboxed heart for Marty Supreme? I saw it, But more importantly, what muted your enthusiasm for a movie that seems destined for multiple Oscar nominations? And I'm going to repeat, just briefly here your menu of choices, The abundant energy that accompanies the Josh Safti's sensibility to follow a character who compulsively courts disaster, Timothy Shalomay's lead performance, the inspired supporting performances and cameos, the cinematography and production design, its examination of the American dream, and or any other lofty ideas the film provoked you to ponder.

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Speaker 1: I think I appreciated every element on that list, just obviously a degree less than Allison, and I think a degree less than most people. I don't really even have a significant bone to pick with this movie, minor quibbles. It was a great movie year, and that's why it was a little bit lower. I think other films from twenty twenty five did some of these things better, and in fact, where I had quibbles in particular, movies like one that did make my top ten, Kelly Reichertz, The Mastermind, when it came to this American dream question, I found to be a more provocative exploration of that. The ending of Marty Supreme, which we are going to get into, I don't have major problems with. I think it's far less successful than the ending of the Mastermind. And this wasn't something where I was comparing the two side by side, even while I was watching The Mastermind in the wake of them. While I was watching I should say Marty Supreme after watching The Mastermind. This is more I'm putting in this context because of our top ten lists. So I think it was just a matter of finding other films that did similar things a little bit better for me in twenty twenty five. That said, I don't know that I found a film that had this level of hurtling intensity, compounding chaos thrill ride experience as Marty Supreme. And so I completely understand the rapturous responses people are having to this movie, especially freshly coming out of it, catching your breath and wondering what you just watched. I think it delivers on that front and is extremely exciting, simultaneously troubling on that front. I could say the same of Uncut Gems. And I think perhaps a reason why Marty Supreme is now is high on my list from last year is because I do appreciate Uncut Gems a bit better in treading similar ground. I think that's the case in terms of the propulsion the performances. And I would say the ending of Uncut Gems too, which I had quibbles with but had a conviction. I want to say that perhaps I don't find it Marety Supreme. But before we get to those quibbles, I do want to spend more time hearing from you what you liked about it. I think you are higher on it than me, though it didn't make your top ten list either. And yeah, I want to spend some time having fun with this movie because it was one of the more unique experiences of last year in the theater.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's funny I mentioned this on that Top ten roundtable show. We're on opposite ends now with the two movies you mentioned in terms of the endings. You very much approve of the ending of The Mastermind, me not so much. You quibble with the ending of Marty Supreme. I'm now fully on board with the ending of Marty Supreme. But yeah, Sam tried to shame both of us this week in the Family newsletter for not liking Marty Supreme enough, even though I had it as my number fourteen film of the year. I do get it, though, when you really swoon for a movie and have it as your number two of the year, as he did, it can feel like anything anything less is an insufficient level of an excitement.

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Speaker 3: Right again, I get it.

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Speaker 4: I did just rewatch this two days ago because it had been at least a month since I saw it. I felt like I needed to revisit it. Unfortunately, had a chance to do that. My estimation for the film did only grow, largely because it did allow me to work through something that was holding me back a little bit from embracing it more strongly. And it is something we're gonna mention it again, even though I don't know that our non family members are going to get a chance to hear it. It allowed me to work through something with the ending and It's something that Alison Wilmore and I, it turns out, actually disagree about generally speaking, though Alison and I couldn't be more in line. And why don't we start with Shalam. I'm not prepared to start breaking down and comparing all of his lead performances, but she's right. His combination of appeal and awfulness I think is an art. He's magnetic, and he's maddening. The contradiction that Chalomy gets is that Marty has an outsized ego and sense of pride, but absolutely no shame, no shame whatsoever. And I know you know this bit because you have just seen this film in the past couple of years and are a big fan of it. As I am The Color of Money, the Martin Scorsese film. You know that bit early on in the film where Eddie says to Vincent, you're some piece of work. You're also a natural character, and Vince misunderstands him and says, you see, he's saying I got natural I got natural character. And he says, that's not what I said, kid, I said you are a natural character. You're an incredible flake. Vincent has got nothing on Marty in the Flake department, and Marty two is even more of a character. But Chalame plays him so magnetically but also so naturally, so unaffectedly, that you never see him. I never saw him as a character. I never saw him playing that character. You see his humanity, you understand his ambition, and you can admire his drive and his single mindedness, even as his choices do consistently sometimes they shock you, consistently, disappoint you, and disappoint others around him.

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Speaker 3: And I do think this.

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Speaker 4: I think that he's good at convincing people to give him what he wants, not necessarily because he's an exceptional con man. I think it's because he makes everyone around him feel alive. He has a line that alludes to that. That's kind of a throwaway line that happens over the course of an argument, but he says to someone, I give you meaning. He gives you money, I give you meaning. And Chaloma as a performer has to live up to that with Marty, where you feel like he gives everyone around him meaning, and I think he does. There's a generosity that Chalomey has to bring to balance out the selfishness of the character, and he may be lying almost all the time. But Josh, he's always authentically himself, which I think is also what separates him from some of the other people in the movie who may seem more straightforwardly honest. And maybe that's something that's uniquely Saftian actually about this character and some of those other characters, is that the irony is that maybe he's the only one in the movie who isn't actually a phony. He's exactly who he is all the time, even if sometimes he has to play a role to get what he wants. There's never any question about his identity and his sense of purpose.

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Speaker 1: The brilliant moments in this performance are the ones not where he is lying bald face lying to people, because he does do that quite a bit right, and he's mesmerizing and charismatic and convincing and entrancing. When he's doing that, he has to be for the people to buy his lie, and then we're caught up in it as well as the audience. The scenes that show you what a great performance this is are the ones where he's talking to someone who knows pretty much who he is but has not kicked him out of their life yet. Yes, and so he's doing exactly what you just described, he's being his authentic, genuine self. He's not lying to their face. What he's doing is selling his mania and conviction and single mindedness and manages still to get them to buy. So is he tricking them? Is he lying to them?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Is he being good to them? Is he being a healthy presence in their life? No? Do they still follow along? In most cases? Yes? And I think that's the magic of the performance, is getting us to buy that. One of my hiccups, however, I will say, is that a performance I really like better Chelamage was just outside my ballot for best performances of the year. As we talked on that show, Odessa Azion as Rachel did make my ballot, and it's it's because the moment I didn't quite believe is when the script required her to still follow through with him longer on the film, because I felt her performance was so strong and authentic and independent that you sense this woman who she was as she was being performed might have been the one to say, hold up, this is enough, I'm getting off this train. So that's maybe not It's not a fault of his performance because in those scenes with her, I think he's he's threading that same needle, and I think that's when Shalomy is at his best. Another thing that's interesting about him here And though in this movie, and this is entirely unfair, I'll confess to it, it's been hard for me to separate Marty the campaigner for the for the direction of his life, for this Ping Pong Championship, and shallow May the campaigner for the best actor Oscar and I think it's working.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of that.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately, There's there's been so much, you know, interesting like meta stuff like he's campaigning as a campaigner and and it's it's funny, it's but it but it's also the same manner and I'm sure it's meant to me. It's the same energy as Marty, and so it's hard for me in a sense to kind of separate that, even though I know I should. There's a line actually that speaks to this directly that Marty says at one point, great line in the context of the movie, but kind of captures all what I've been talking about. Drama or is very important to me. I don't want to undercut the drama. I mean, it's great. I think he's talking at that point, trying to convince the sponsor about the ping pong tournament in Japan, right, and he's saying, this is how they have to set it up. There has to be drama involved, and I think you definitely feel that extra textural sense of pursuing the drama seeping into the movie. I don't know that there's any other way to do this role.

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Speaker 4: Though, sure I am with you on Odessa Zion's performance. I think this movie and I hear I'll say, there's a lot to unpack.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll get to it.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to un with the depiction of female characters in this movie, and certainly with her character Rachel as well. But the movie as it's scripted still needs her especially but every character in this movie to still needs need them to be orbiting around Marty. So I never had any doubts about or the doubt that you expressed about whether or not she would ever shoot off from that orbit. She's always still within his gravitational pull. But that said, the brilliance of the performance for me, and I'll give you the exact moment where it really clicked. I mean, I liked her from the moment she appeared on screen. But where it really clicked for me I'll get to in a moment on paper. If I just started listing for you who Rachel is, her traits and the basic demographics about her and what she does in the movie, even just sort of listing them as facts, I think you'd get a very different picture of her than the wilful, complex woman that des Ion portrayed. Yes, and that's it. That's where I'm going.

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Speaker 1: She can't talk.

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Speaker 4: She that's it right. She can't talk like Marty does. No one in the movie can, even though she does have some of the same desires. So her eyes, her eyes have to do the work for her of saying and expressing a lot of the things that her character can't. And the unlocked for me happened for the character and the performance. It's the scene where we realize that she's willing to hustle to get what she wants just as much as he is, and she might even be as good a hustler, or an even better hustler than him, that she can perform that well, even if it means hustling him as much as she loves him. And what Marty, what Schalamey through Marty expresses in that moment too. There's a little pause in this scene that I love. What Marty, what Shallamy expresses in that pause is simultaneously both a sense of complete betrayal and hurt and also respect. Total respect is like game needs a game. He gets it in that moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she has. You know, she has a face that's easier to believe, which you know, I think is why she might be better at this than Marty if she really wanted to go down this path. And I will say that without spoiling it. The story gives her a reason where you could believe she might stick with him through all this out of desperation, out of no other choice. I don't know that the script plays it that way. That might have been a little bit more honest. I found that it played it more romantically, which I didn't quite buy. I would agree you could point to that as a defense. This is why she does not exit stage left and instead sticks with him.

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Speaker 4: So sure, I do want to keep going with that eclectic array of faces though, because I do think that is an incredible strength of this film, the ensemble. I don't know whether some of these names or the majority of the names that you would see if you go to IMDb have done a lot of acting, if they've done no acting. I know that there are cases where nobody has done acting, but it doesn't matter the fact that they're unique faces that in some cases they are unknown to me. They give this movie so much texture. How about just in that opening scene, Ralph Calucci, the guy who plays Lloyd, is someone I could watch, I could watch all day. Luke Manley, the guy who plays Dion, who who he enlists to help him with the orange ping pong balls. But even someone like Gizeroric as Kletzky, the British Open champion that he defeats and that he's really close friends with, who gives us one of the most interesting scenes of the year at the at the dinner scene with with Kevin O'Leary as well. And here's someone I know because I looked him up just to make sure someone like you know, this is such a minor scene in the grand scheme of things, But I'm just giving an example of adding that texture. Someone like Donado p. Diaderio, who's Officer sal in the scene where his uncle is trying to teach him a lesson and he pays off a cop friend of his right to handcuff him and you know, work him over a little bit, make him think he might actually take him to jail. That that is one of those faces that just feels so authentic, And yeah, I looked him up. Of course, he has no other acting credits. And the point here is that you could list one hundred with this film, and and that doesn't That, of course, isn't stunt casting. But there are others that are stunts, even if there are subtle stunts, because you may not be aware of it.

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Speaker 3: For example, I mean, you're a bigger basketball f and then me.

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Speaker 4: But I'm guessing you didn't recognize that the guy who owns the place that he goes to practice ping pong and he occasionally sleeps, that's George Gervin, George the Iceman Gervin.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I had no idea until I look that up just yesterday. But he's another interesting face on screen, another interesting presence on screen and sneaking in. Yeah, this time I couldn't believe it because I admitted I didn't pick him out somehow, and Allison told me, you know, Mammot was the stage director of course he was. Now before I even saw him, I heard his voice and I knew it was David Mammott, and then he appears on screen. But then you get to someone Josh like Abel Ferrara, who I've never seen before. I don't know what he looks like. I didn't know that was him. The filmmaker playing that character Ezra, and he is both the most terrifying and maybe the most sympathetic character in the movie, and he's completely unforgettable.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the train he makes from being and I think this is representative. Though he gets more screen time than all these people you're listening, I think it's representative of why they work. That character makes the transition from being doing one bit for one moment to becoming a thread, and you start to see him as a more whole person. Now what you learn is terrifying, and you maybe wish you'd hadn't learned it. But when we first meet him, he's entirely sympathetic, and that's captured yeah, in the performance. But I think Adam, even these two three seen people we've been describing like, they manage to not only bring that unique texture because they don't look like stars or familiar, but they also and this is where the writing should get some credit to, like get lines that speak to who they are in this life beyond just who they are to Marty. And you know, I think his friend or cousin who you mentioned, I'm forgetting the name, but who comes up with the idea for the orange ping poles dungballs. Yeah, Like he's a perfect example of that. All of his scenes are very short, but by the end of each of them, I feel like I know that guy's whole life. I know how it relates to Marty, but I also feel like I know how it relates to his parents, his desires for his own life. And it's rare that you get a movie that allows these bit parts to have that sort of richness. And richness I think is a good word for this movie. It goes back to a lot of these more technical craft elements we've been talking about, from the cinematography and and other elements like that the production design. There is a texture to this movie that is also I think rare.

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Speaker 4: There definitely is, and I know now. I mean I felt it the first time I saw it. I certainly felt it again the second time I saw it, and then having rewatched it, I took producer Sam's advice, and just yesterday, Josh I listened to the DGA podcast where Ben Affleck interviews Josh Safty and guess what, It's not an accident. It's not just randomly or some weird alchemy that's happening on screen that we feel all this texture and everything you just described in terms of these characters feeling like they're bringing an entire life to the screen, Josh Safty wrote backgrounds for every single one of the extras, they know at minimum, if not their entire life story. They know exactly what that character was doing in the scene before their scene and in the scene after that scene, what they were bringing to that moment. For every single extra, there are thirty eight hundred extras in the movie. Thirty eight hundred. They cast all of them, which means they didn't just say, hey, company, go out and get one hundred one thousand extras and have them show up on the day. No, they cast each one of them specifically for this movie, and he provided them with that background, that richness, so that they brought that to the film and it's there on the screen. We are all sensing it there on the screen. It's really remarkable and you could definitely feel that is. Yeah, I was gonna say, for sure, I wish I wish someone like fran Drescher as his mother had a little bit more to do, got a little bit more of that depth. She still brings a bit of mystery to an otherwise one note minor character.

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Speaker 1: Great couple of scenes, I think.

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Speaker 4: Great couple of scenes. And I do think you can tell that Kevin O'Leary isn't an actor, especially when he's in scenes with so many incredibly talented actors, but when he's saying lines like what is now the most famous line maybe in this movie. I was born in sixteen oh one. I'm a vampire. I've been around forever. I'm okay, Josh with it feeling a little forced because everything that guy does is overbearing and is a little too insistent, and you understand who that guy is, and you understand how overbearing and honestly, how kind of awful he is the moment he appears on screen and that's enough.

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Speaker 1: Hey, he sold me in that moment. I was like, maybe he is a vampire like that, he could be. That might be unlocking a lot of things here.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of the formal elements too, bringing up the production design and the cinematography is well. The first time I saw this, it was a screener and our friends got to bias. I was texting with him that day that morning and I mentioned to him that I was going to see Marty Supreme later that day. And I didn't understand why he said this, but I was able to put it together, especially later after seeing it. He said, play it loud. I think you put it in all caps. Play it loud, right, So then I got it that this is a bombastic film in every way, but including with the sound design. Well I got I got to see it the second time in the theater. I got to see it at film Scene in Iowa City and Sophie r Pa, my daughter, she works at film Scene, and she says that they have been getting killed with complaints from some of the older clientele who have been coming out in droves saying you have to turn it down too loud, and of course they can't turn it down. That's the way. That's the way this movie is calibrated. It is just calibrated at that volume. And and for me, especially seeing in the theater and really feeling it that that propulsiveness that we've talked about, but getting the volume on full blast for those anachronistic needle drops and that Daniel Lopatten's score.

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Speaker 3: What a treat, What a treat that was.

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Speaker 4: And I hear again, I couldn't agree more with with Alison that with this focus that Saftie's born bringing to the casting with authenticity, there's nothing overly reverential or nostalgic in the visual approach as well, And I think part of that is how reliant it is in its construction on medium close ups and close ups, and this is something we see in Uncut Gems too. Right, that's part of the jittery, the handheld approach that makes it feel really claustrophobic, right, is there's not a lot of extra room in the frame when when it's that close to the characters, and you feel like you're that close to the characters. But that's not what's happening here. This movie doesn't feel the same as Uncut Gems feels, and thank god, right, I think it does feel very different. But it never is about showcasing the location. It's never about wasting time with establishing shots. It isn't about making you dizzy, like I said with uncut gems. But I do think that Safty and Kanji are almost always they're they're tracking characters and they're showing characters with these tight shots, and it does create urgency, it creates intimacy with the characters. I think it's another reason why we're talking about the textures that all these characters bring in the layers of the performances, because we see all the nuances. We see the nuances in their faces, in their their emotions, and there in their reactions. And when when do we widen out? When we widen out like with great dance numbers, it's with the ping pong scenes where we see the full physicality on display. That's when that's when he brings the camera fully out so we can see the table, we can see the bodies in motion, and that that's remarkable as well.

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Speaker 3: Can we go back to the needle drops, Yeah, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Not a fan. Not a fan, I gotta say. And and this isn't because they're anachronistic or that I'm opposed to needle drops in general. I just found it to be somewhat tied to a pattern a little bit related to what I was talking about with Chalame's performance, and again perhaps on fairly having the campaign in my mind, an insistence that for me was a little separate from the propulsion of the film. They're they're related, but to me, there were two separate things where the movie was insisting on its own intensity at times, where Uncut Gems felt like that was just in the air where you breathed, you just breathe the chaos. In Uncut Gems, you felt the construction of the chaos just a tad more here. I do think it's a it's a as I said at the top, it's a remarkable distinct quality of the film. And perhaps this is just an unfair comparison Uncut Gems, but the needle drops are connected to this. It just felt like it's trying a little bit harder. The recurring bit with the dog. There's like maybe one scene with the dog where I'm like, we we we've got it. We know we're already quite dressed about the dog. We don't need another one.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like, separate from the music, is that what you're separate.

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Speaker 1: From the music. But it's the same insistence to me, Okay, Like there's an insistence to Chella May's performance, there's an insistence to the dog scenes. Yeah, And there's there's an insistence to like, I'm insisting this needle drop in here that is maybe just pushing it. Just the movie wants to impress us as much as Marty wants to impress us, and a little bit of space between those two things I think would have gone a long way.

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Speaker 4: I think I didn't feel that, especially because from the moment we got Forever Young in that credit sequence and the entire fertilization moment, if you will, which actually does Someone reminded me of this. A colleague that I was texting with reminded me that uncut Gems I'd forgot this opens with something similar with the kolonoscopy, right, So I was I is so on board from that moment that that those never felt Those needle drops to me somehow never felt obtrusive. Now, it's funny that you bring up the dog, because this transitions nicely into something I did want to bring up in terms of just kind of what for me, what the film's all about and the experience I had the second time, and why I'm so why I'm actually so much on board with it more the second time, even though I really liked it the first time. And one of the one of the revelations I suppose I had is I'm watching this film and I realize, Okay, this film really is.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: Two halves.

00:36:40
Speaker 4: It It is a movie that's about Marty up through the British Open, with that that first match that he has with Endo, the Japanese table tennis player, and then it's it's really it's.

00:36:53
Speaker 3: Post British Open.

00:36:55
Speaker 4: And the second half is where it really feels like a Safty film.

00:37:00
Speaker 3: Right.

00:37:00
Speaker 4: That's that's where Alison talked about Marty as a chaos addict. That's that's all there, Marty getting getting himself into deeper and deeper trouble. Everything seems to be just going off the rails, getting progressively crazier. I recognize that this is what made it distinct. In the moment I was watching it the first time, I was feeling, well, this is this is that Safty insensibility. I like that this is essentially a sports movie, but they're doing something. He's doing something so dramatically weird and different with it. But I have to be honest, I found it unwieldy, like you Josh the hustle at the bowling alley. You're like, dude, am I really gonna have to sit through this entire Like we know how this is gonna end. This is feeling a little long. How how long is this going to take to play out the stuff with the dog?

00:37:52
Speaker 3: We're back at the.

00:37:53
Speaker 4: House now with the dog. I got, I got the excess. I understood it intellectually. My attention was waning. But where the second viewing was clarifying was was that structure. What's the structure of Marty Supreme. It's actually a pretty conventional sports movie in this respect anyway. It's an athlete trying to avenge an earlier loss to arrival. Act one, he loses. Act two is the build up to the rematch and the rematch itself, and I'll leave it at that, where the hero trains and through hard work and grit and determination, hopefully usually in sports movies, the hero wins.

00:38:34
Speaker 3: Except here.

00:38:36
Speaker 4: This is the brilliance of the screenplay here and what saf d and Ronald Bronstein are bringing to the table.

00:38:42
Speaker 3: Except here.

00:38:43
Speaker 4: The training is about thirty seconds of actual ping pong practice and ninety minutes of hard work and grit and determination just to get the money to buy the plane ticket to travel to get to the rematch. It's kind of incredible when you think about it, and so the epiphany for me. And I'm open to anyone quibbling with this. I'm quibbling with Allison's take on the film and others who might be associating Marty too closely with Howard Rattner in uncut Gems. I don't think Marty is addicted to chaos. I don't think he is courting chaos. I think he is more comfortable with it than a lot of us are. He sure seems to find it. I don't think he's afraid of it. But he isn't just hustling for the sake of hustling. He is hustling with purpose because he has a purpose. There's even a line at one point in the movie he says, everything in my life's falling apart, but I'm going to figure it out. In the second half he says that someone who's courting disaster, courting chaos, doesn't say everything in my life's falling apart. And what does he say to Rachel, I have a purpose? If you think that it's some kind of blessing.

00:40:02
Speaker 3: It's not.

00:40:03
Speaker 4: It means I have an obligation to see a very specific thing through And so maybe I still didn't necessarily need Josh the second trip with the Dog. But what I can tell you is is that watching it again and having that click into place and realize that every single thing that happens in the second act, it's not just an introduction of a new example of chaos yet again Marty's spinning out of control. It's actually just step by step, him doing everything he can do the thing that's directly in front of him to earn enough money to get a plane ticket to go to Tokyo.

00:40:44
Speaker 3: That's it.

00:40:44
Speaker 4: He's singularly focused on only that objective. Once I realize that that he's just too broke to go to Tokyo and if he can't compete, then he can't fulfill his purpose. I had a different experience with the film, with the second half of the film certainly, and it didn't feel like excessive storytelling to me. It actually felt like a pretty efficient storytelling.

00:41:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, this raises a question that we can't it's a crucial question, but we can't really know the answer to until we see the next movie and we find out what Marty does next, because I think I agree that he's not addicted to chaos, he's not seeking new forms of chaos. He definitely has a goal. But what I do wonder, you know, if you consider Marty to be like a narcissistic personality. And I don't know that we know for sure enough to say that, but there's hints that it's possible, right money of evidence. Yes, So for someone like that, is it really the goal? Or is it that having a goal reshapes the world and everyone around them to be about their needs? And I think that's different both from what Allison was talking about in terms of pursuing chaos and if I'm hearing you correctly, different from what you're talking about, which.

00:42:12
Speaker 4: Is closer to what I'm talking about.

00:42:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're you know, if I'm hearing you, it's similar to what I read the movie as wanting, is like, his methods may be unhealthy, but his purpose is in a way noble, and by achieving it he will have attained something valuable. And I wonder, based on the character traits we see, if I had to put money on it, it's that the next day no matter what's happened to him in the final scene, Marty will have a new goal that will require everyone to once again and I mean the new people now to orbit themselves around his next goal. That's my instinct from what I've seen in terms of his behavior and how he's treated people throughout this film. And so that's why I think if you do see Marty Supreme as a redemption story of some way, it doesn't ring true to me. I don't know that's how we're supposed to see it, but it's more difficult for me to see it that way because I'm a little suspicious of this goal really giving him the meaning he expects it to.

00:43:35
Speaker 3: Okay, does that mean sense?

00:43:37
Speaker 4: Yes, it does, because I think your read of it seems to fall in line with most people that I've talked to, and it is a little bit different than my read, and that that discussion will have to wait for spoiler talk, a little bit of yes, separate spoiler talk that we will record. But I want to say this, and the fun thing, the great thing about having this conversation, and I have seen some things online and I know that there's discussion out there about Marty as a character and there's I find the handwringing, the moralizing about characters and movies to be a bit much, you know, I mean, when did we start to expect art to be so reassuring and so comforting as opposed to something that is challenging and our characters to be complicated. That's the point is that they should be complicated, and they're not real. In this case, he's certainly not real, whether or he's based in some way loosely on a real person. So we get to observe and contemplate and think about these things and have these these kind of moral and ethical provocations because of the character.

00:44:51
Speaker 3: So the.

00:44:54
Speaker 4: Wanting to dismiss Marty that some people I know want to do and this the movie because they don't like Marty and his behavior, I simply don't understand. And when I say I'm going to soften my read of Marty a little bit, I don't mean I want to make him be a better a better person. I don't care whether or not for this conversation he's he's a good person or a bad person.

00:45:20
Speaker 3: I I don't.

00:45:21
Speaker 4: I don't like the the binary nature of those terms. What I think the movie in terms of its complexity is getting at though through Marty and through his ambition and through this sense of purpose is I think I think all of the things that build his identity matter. I think his class matters. I think his Jewishness matters. And there's a reason why that comes up in multiple ways in the film and multiple times in the film. Everything he does in the movie, as I read it, no matter how misguided it is. And again, this doesn't justify everything he does, but everything he does, as he sees it, is in service of his obligation. And so what makes Marty supreme great to me is that Safty transforms a sports saga into a biding portrait of ambition, class, and identity. It's a relentless odyssey of purpose and survival where every hustle feels like a claim to value in a world that's eager to deny it. Like not just claim to greatness, which he is aspiring to, but by aspiring to greatness, he's just he's just claiming that he has value. I think Marty recognizes the myth of the American dream, or he understands that as an outsider, that the American dream doesn't exist, that the notion that is open to everybody, and it's just there for the taking if you work hard. Is in fact that myth and that the outsider is what he is and what everybody is constantly looking to relegate him too. And the only way for him to not be that outsider and get what he wants and take what he wants is to not play by those rules. Yeah, find a shortcut, find it, take take whatever shortcut he can. And I think those are some of the larger questions that the movie opens.

00:47:29
Speaker 1: Up for me, Yeah, which are all interesting and totally agree with you about. You know, Yes, we should be able to watch movies featuring characters, main characters who we disapprove of, and that can still be interesting and informative. And I think the more nuanced conversation, again, we keep saying this, but maybe that will come up in our spoiler talk is how successful do we think Marty Supreme is at doing that compared to other movies I had in the back of my head from the nineteen seventies, the great anti hero performances. Last year we had occasion to consider a couple of these, you know, Gene Hackman and Scarecrow or Jack Nicholson in the last detail, and you know what the movies attitudes were towards those characters in relationship to the audience's expectations and the willingness to subvert those or to comfort the audience. That's where I saw distinction a little bit between Marty Supreme and some of those seventies movies. And man, the people who are disturbed by Marty Supreme because it features someone who makes you uncomfortable. I don't know what they do if they watch some of those seventies movies with like Hackevian Nicholson, right, it would Josh blow their minds.

00:48:54
Speaker 4: I think you're I think you're right. Whether this ends up being part of a qualitative judgment in your analysis of this film or not. All you have to all you have to do is is well, first watch this film. I would say watch uncut Gems as well. But also if you want read anything either Saftie brother has said about Howard Rattner or what they said to me in my interview with them on this show, which we dropped into the feed earlier this week, or what Josh Safti has said about this character.

00:49:27
Speaker 3: They they love.

00:49:29
Speaker 4: These men, They they genuinely. That doesn't mean they approve of every choice they make. That's something different. But they love these men in a way that I think is very different from the types of characters you're talking about in the relationship those directors, those writers and directors probably probably had with with the figures you're mentioning.

00:49:51
Speaker 1: Maybe, and if that's the case, maybe that's the distinction I'm picking up. And yeah, the end result, maybe I prefer one over the other.

00:50:01
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's there's romance here. I think they I think there's a romanticization. If I said that correctly, of a romanticizing of characters like Howard Gatner and Marty Supreme, that there is not there.

00:50:15
Speaker 1: More Marty than Howard, more Marty than.

00:50:16
Speaker 4: Howard, maybe more Marty than Howard. But we as viewers may romanticize someone like ba in The Last Detail or R. P. McMurphy and One Floor with the Cuckoo's as more perhaps than the filmmakers themselves offer us on screen. I think that's that's a fair distinction. We will stop there with Marty Supreme for now. Marty Supreme is playing in wide release. If you have seen it and agree or disagree with our takes, you can email us feedback at film spotting dot Net. We may share some of that feedback on a future show.

00:50:55
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00:53:10
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00:55:41
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00:56:37
Speaker 1: All that's hard to believe for some, reason ESPECIALLY i feel On sam's. Part BUT i THINK i was cool on bringing Up baby WHEN i first saw. IT i don't know THAT i actively AND i checked my. WEBSITE i don't have a written review. THERE i don't know THAT i actively disliked, it BUT i THINK i was definitely, lower certainly than those who considered a screwball classic.

00:56:57
Speaker 3: And Then Boogie.

00:56:58
Speaker 4: Nights maybe a little bit of a weird, choice But, january it's still one battle after another, time and we are going to give some time to one battle after another as a sacred cow.

00:57:12
Speaker 3: Review we have that coming.

00:57:14
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00:57:38
Speaker 1: Low, yeah AND i think you, know my original star rating was like three out of, four when most ptas are generally like three and a half or higher for, Me so, yeah lower. Tier Perhaps i'm, wrong and it is as good as his. Best if that's where listeners vote will get a chance to consider.

00:57:56
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00:59:28
Speaker 4: Bummer josh turns out my passport To pandora has been. Revoked couldn't take the. Trip but, yeah you've. Taken you've taken all three trips, enthusiastically and you you have a report From James CAMERON'S cgi. PLAYGROUND i would love to hear whether or Not Avatar fire And ash was enjoyable for.

00:59:51
Speaker 1: YOU i, MEAN i can help you with.

00:59:52
Speaker 3: THAT i.

00:59:53
Speaker 1: THINK i think if you apply for the tourist, visa it's easier to get. In so okay for, four for, four, eight, nine and, ten we'll get that worked out for. You this is a good. Movie this IS i think it's the second. BEST i really went for the First avatar just as this blindingly inventive visual extravaganza And way Of WATER i thought was. Interesting here's What fire And ash Gives, adam and you're never gonna believe. It, okay compelling CHARACTERS i have never PRAISED i have never praised any of these movies for compelling. Characters BUT i think what helps is That The way Of water dumped on us a whole bunch of new. Characters here we now know who they, are which, helps AND i think it's more in the screenplay as, well that is now giving us time to meet these characters as fully realized. Individuals And cameron is writing here With Rick jaffa And Amanda. Silm they also Did way Of, water but they were also instrumental in The planet of The apes films that we both have appreciated as, screenwriters AND i don't think you've felt their hand In way Of water as much as you do. Here the result for me is that we still have this wide scale conflict right between the invading humans and the Indigenous navi On. Pandora this is not going to convince you to see this or the next, One. Adam that conflict is still unfolding at the end of this three and a half hour. Movie, Okay but what's crucial, here and THAT i did appreciate and actually liked quite a, bit this one is more about what the conflict means for individual characters and their evolving understanding of. Themselves and this is really across the board for a number of. Characters i'm just going to highlight two in the sake of our own, time but one Is, natiri who we've met since the. Beginning this Is Zoe saldana playing The nave who falls in love With Sam worthington's. Marine in the first, film the Marine Jake sully becomes is transformed Into. Navi they have this relationship In weight Of. Water they have, kids and now they're a couple who's been together and they have these growing, children And naitiri has come to regret in this film her involvement with, humans and the performance is ferocious and. Hissing she gets lines LIKE i hate their pink little. Hands and what's interesting here is that they, have you, know in our, terms we would say biracial kids, essentially and these two have a conversation about this And natiri's grief over what has been lost In way Of water from her. Son it's, real it's. Palpable you understand again how this conflict has affected, her how it's changed, her and the anger she. Has the performance is so crucial to, that and the animation of the. FACES i think there's even an advancement in this movie that helps that to. Register all. Right the other Character i'll talk about is a new, One, varrag played By Una, chaplin who is new to the. Series part witch and part. Warrior verrang leads This navi. Clan they're somewhat like. Pirates she stalks the screen in this movie as if like everything on the screen is potential. Prey it's an incredible physical. Performance but what's also interesting is That varrang has this theologically compelling. BACKGROUND i Know i'm gonna lose you, Here, adam hang, on hang on a Wah do you remember A, wa the goddess figure Of. Pandora, okay supposed to keep, everything everything in. Unity is WHAT aa was supposed to, do all. Right So, varrang this new, character her. CLAN a volcano wiped almost wiped them all out before. That she tells us this in a. Story at one point she had prayed To, awa save, us rescue. Us wasn't. Rescued so she has decided to defy this goddess and embraced the fire of the volcano and just became basically this, violent you, know leader of this pirate. Clan she falls in with the invading. Humans so she colludes because there's promise of, weapons and it's a compelling character rooted in a you, know the great villains need good reasons for their, villainy And varrang has. That Now i'll say before we get out of here, that of course there have always been problems With avatar in this equation that's making between The navi and indigenous people On earth, right and how awkward that is Is Camera cameron appropriating here is he? Honoring And varrang is kind of like a flashpoint for, that because terrible decision to have her clan these pirates that she leads like hoot and, holler like you're watching some Fifties western and they're the quote unquote. Savages you know, what why why does the movie do? That completely? Unnecessary the same, Time varrang has this interesting, backstory so she's definitely a. Flashpoint AND i want to point people to one review that's just obliterating fire and ash on this point in terms of the, representation and That's Walter, chow Who i've gotten to know for my time out In Denver boulder, area And i'll link to this in the show. Notes but he just, like, yeah takes a flamethrower like verieng likes to the movie for some of these. Notions SO i do want to acknowledge, that and whenever this comes, up you, KNOW i think there's a more nuanced portrayal of her in the. Movie BUT i always see the point to those who are you, know have personal background at stake when these issues are, raised AND i Think walter does make some interesting points to, consider so again we'll link to. THAT, i, however am a fan Of fire And. ASH i think it's in the area of character and, narrative a significant advancement and honestly gives me hope for the series if we do indeed get more of.

01:05:55
Speaker 3: These thoughtful as always.

01:05:57
Speaker 4: INSIGHTFUL i don't know if it's convince sing Enough josh to get.

01:06:01
Speaker 3: Me there's there's going to be another.

01:06:03
Speaker 1: ONE i knew that. ONE i don't, know Don't they always say they have to see how much money it. Makes and this thing's already bringing, in, like you, know, millions possibly, billions so.

01:06:14
Speaker 4: Likely there Is, YEAH i. Know this is the joke about this. Movie at least it seems to be on social media that no one actually knows anybody who loves these, movies who really loves these, Movies like who are the people that are that are just dying to See? Avatar and yet the box office proves that these movies are reliable and people are obviously excited about, them and you think that's justified at least with fire and.

01:06:40
Speaker 1: Ash, yeah And i'll say, too you, know to point to point to another conversation pop Culture Happy. Hour i'm sorry it was a guest. Critic i'm not pulling their name right, now but they they're one of those people like THEY i believe they said they Watched way To water like three or four times a year And avatar, itself so they're, yeah these you, know these. Movies it seems like the most obvious thing in the world to, say but, yes they've struck a. Chord, okay what do you hear In?

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01:08:07
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Speaker 3: Amusement he.

01:10:22
Speaker 4: Adapts he carries on the cherry on top of it. All you said his name is the casting of Al pacino As dick's father in the. Movie and he's the Man tony actually has the biggest beef. With he's the Guy tony actually intended to take hostage that, day ended up taking his son instead because the dad was on. Vacation another big difference here is That sonny is an accidental rager against the. Machine his intentions are, personal not. Political For, tony the personal is, political his outrage is the and Van zant clearly wants to relate his situation to economic conditions today and for us to sympathize with him as a victim of this mortgage, company as a victim of these sinister forces that a little guy like him simply can't. Combat and this is his opportunity to take back some of the, power which is what of course gets get some of that admiration and affection from the public and really gets the public on his.

01:11:28
Speaker 3: SIDE a lot of worried folk out.

01:11:31
Speaker 2: Here this is.

01:11:31
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Okay, dad if you wanted to take him moment to, APOLOGIZE i think it would this release.

01:11:37
Speaker 2: Process i'm not going to admit guilty. SOMETHING i just apologize what you.

01:11:43
Speaker 4: Did just.

01:11:43
Speaker 3: Apologize, No, Tony, no stay strong chard what's?

01:11:51
Speaker 4: True in what's? Fiction and all of THIS i don't. Know i've picked up a little bit here and. THERE i know THAT i Liked scarsguard's, skittish verging on, derangement but balanced BY i, mean you have to be a little bit deranged to do this, right but balanced by rationality and focused indignation and when he needs. IT i mentioned the, humor self effacing humor and. Charm and you have to watch the way he walks in this. MOVIE i said he was. Edgy he walks always just a bit slouched, forward like he's consistently being pressed down. Upon and then you've Got Coleman, domingo who's a Prominent indianapolis RADIO dj Named Fred. Temple real real, guy like all of these these guys, are And tony respects him and confides in, him and the movie really takes advantage Of domingo's, voice his great voice and his natural, charisma and that character really adds to the revolutionary spirit of the. MOVIE i wish there was more with that, Character, josh AND i think it would have served that revolution aspect of the, film the political aspect of the film a little bit, better because he really just becomes an extension of THE fbi and the police in helping them Against. Tony and not That i'm SUGGESTING i think that character should be Helping, tony but there's never any sense really of, conflict like he's helping the man in this AND i think it would have been interesting to sense a little bit of that, antipathy especially when everybody else in the public feels like feels Like tony is the righteous one in this. Case And Daker montgomery is SOMEONE i didn't recognize As Dick. HALL i guess he was a power ranger at one. Point he was In Stranger things for like five. Years He's you're gonna be seeing a lot more Of Daker. Montgomery he brings some real depth to this privileged, character and you understand that he has a little he is a little bit more in common With tony Than tony may want to believe than he may want to. Believe and and he's just such an interesting counter To tony Because tony is physically he's such a fast, talker but he is again that jittery kind of, mover and because of the nature of how he's, confined everything About montgomery has to be internalized and completely still and. Quiet and so watching those two play off each other is one of the enjoyable aspects of this. Movie AND i think it's fun to see van zandt in his bag here a little, bit not just with the effective use of the handheld, camera but he does incorporate real footage or footage that's made to look like REAL tv news. Footage i'm guessing there's a little bit of. BOTH i don't know for. Sure like there's one scene early on when he's walking With dick and the police are surrounding, them but there's nothing they can really. Do they're walking To dick's car because of course he can't get in his, car and a car just a normal citizen is driving a. Car they come around a corner and of course they come upon this incredible scene and instant the they come come around and they go off into the into the, side into a, snowbank and that that footage then cuts in that moment two FOOTAGE tv news style footage of that, happening and it looks exact as if it's it's matching, Perfectly AND i don't think it adds very, similitude though it, does BUT i don't think the purpose of it is that so much as it it just kind of adds to the chaos of the moment without the movie ever really feeling like a sensory. Assault and there is ONE i did look this up to confirm this wasn't an, invention and it's kind of, Incredible, josh there's a magical coincidence that that happened here in real, life that That Van zant exploits in the, movie and the Screenwriter Austin kladney exploits here when when life and art, collide it required no extra, manufacturing just just a little, modulating, maybe he. INSISTS i won't go into too many, details but it at one Point tony insists that he has to have a press conference and it has to go ON tv, nationally and to accommodate, that they cut into THE tv, stations cut into The People's Choice, awards and this is nineteen seventy, seven and they actually do cut into The People's Choice awards right As John wayne is accepting A People's Choice award For Favorite. Actor and this is eight years After True. Grit he's still he's done some, movies he's done The shootest, recently but this is this Is John wayne at the tail end of his, career and this is kind of a tribute to. Him and they're even playing we see the montage of. Him the montage is him entirely just shooting, people you, know Mostly Native, americans but just entirely shooting. People and that that moment and that, montage it really does encapsulate something that the movie is getting at in terms of this question of who are our, heroes who are the real, heroes who are our fake? Heroes what's real violence and what's fake? Violence where do these lines kind of start to, blur you, know and, really what are we willing to? Accept what are we not willing to? ACCEPT i don't have answers to those. Questions those are some of the questions that the movie provokes with sequences like. That SO i Enjoyed Dead Man's.

01:17:25
Speaker 1: Wire i'm so glad to hear. It this is just and that you made time for it and are giving it some. Attention it's just part of the craziness of this year end that we have a filmmaker Like. Vincey this is happening with the New Jim jarmush. MOVIE i think just this torrent of releases at the end of the year from huge names in. Filmmaking so, yeah good to hear That Van sant is out there still doing important. Work Dead Man's wire is currently playing in limited.

01:17:52
Speaker 4: Release next week will be our year End Rap, party The studio. Edition those opening, scenes funniest scene, means, music, moment and. More we remind you to send your, picks video or audio feedback at film spotting dot. Net we will also announce the twenty twenty Five Golden brick winner five. Finalists josh and, you as the, listener not only get a, vote you are one of four votes that determines that, winner but we award the listener's, choice so it's an important. Vote please do go to film spotting dot net slash bricks and vote now for The. Brick and here's the thing you especially need to. Know we did not give you much, time but you, know this is just how it. Worked we kind of we had to cut off in the past of Around, thanksgiving but then that forced us to leave off some titles that that we thought really were deserving of a. Nomination and in this, Case Zodiac Killer project is a movie that if you were in a city that played it during its limited, run then you had a chance to see. It, wise it just came OUT vod the day we're recording this Actually, Tuesday january, sixth so as you're hearing, this it's out. Now but voting for the brick Closes sunday, night the, eleventh at, Midnight so hopefully you're hearing this before then and you have a chance to see that. MOVIE i will tell you, this and this isn't about swaying the vote at. ALL i don't think it's probably going to determine anything in the, End. Josh it really is just encouraging people to seek this movie, out that it's worth seeking it. Out at the end here having a little bit of. Urgency listeners get a, VOTE i get a, Vote you get a. Vote Producer sam gets a. Vote at least one of us Has Zodiac Killer project number one on Their Golden brick. Ballot, Okay so so it is worth your time and hopefully you will have the time to see it and do finish up your homework and.

01:19:59
Speaker 1: Vote it'd be. Great, YEAH i mean hopefully did you run through these? Titles SHOULD i do that real? Quickly the others please go ahead and where people can find, them. Hopefully Zodia Killer, project as you mentioned ON vod right, now is the last one and listeners have been dutiful and that's all they have to knock. Out and you've already Seen Boys go To jupiter if you, haven't that's ON vod right. Now Grand Theft hamlet is available only Via MOVIE a top ten lister for me, though SO i think it's worth checking Out predators Available Paramount plus and then our last finalist here a little bit more availability sorry, baby you can find ON, Hbo max OR vod as. Well so five really compelling titles to give some thought to and choose your favorite for The Golden Brick award next.

01:20:50
Speaker 4: Week it might just be The Rap party and the announcement of The Golden. Brick certainly that will be enough. Show but you said, It. Josh some other titles are rolling out and expanding to more, theaters and it really is just a matter well at least for. ME i don't know where you are how much availability there is with some of these, titles but it's a matter of time for, me and The jarmish Film Father Mother Sister brother is. EXPANDING i have an opportunity to see, that may be able to see it and talk about it on next week's, show and then a title THAT i know has gotten a lot of love.

01:21:23
Speaker 3: Here end of.

01:21:24
Speaker 4: Year some listeners have written in and said that this is a movie that needs to be, seen that may be in fact the best film of the, year and may contain the best scene of the. Year that's B gond's. Resurrection that's, expanding and apparently it's one you have to see on the big, Screen. Josh so MAYBE i will and Maybe i'll report.

01:21:46
Speaker 3: Back we'll.

01:21:47
Speaker 1: See would love to do that as. WELL i don't know if, availability plus the fact THAT i have travel coming, up will make that. POSSIBLE i will say this about next week's, show THOUGH i am leaning towards MOSTLY i think choosing scenes for our rap party from films that were not on my top ten, List so there will be some, variety maybe hitting some titles that listeners were, wondering where was? That why didn't that come? Up Will resurrection be in? There will, father, mother sister brother be in? There maybe likely not for, me but we'll see what happens in the next.

01:22:21
Speaker 4: Week so, wait you came up with a policy for your your rap party?

01:22:26
Speaker 3: List you. Didn't you didn't share this not a.

01:22:29
Speaker 1: POLICY i just, honestly it kind of happened. Naturally AS i leaned towards those picks that came to the, TOP i, thought, well that's kind of. Nice we haven't actually talked a lot about that, Film so, YEAH i think it'll shake out that.

01:22:42
Speaker 4: Way, OKAY i am excited to hear about some of these. Titles it's, Likely, JOSH i haven't seen some of the ones you're going to.

01:22:50
Speaker 1: Mention we'll find. Out quick note here about our sister, podcast The Next Picture show looking At Cinema's present Via It's. Past in case our lengthy conversation About Marty's supreme was not, enough they are going to be discussing it as, well in conjunction With The. Hustler such a great. FILM i Don't, adam you might need to send The Next Picture show folks an email and tell Them Marty supreme is not a. HUSTLER i don't this is you negate this, pairing this, Doesn't this doesn't compute for. You oh can consult?

01:23:24
Speaker 3: Me maybe not.

01:23:24
Speaker 1: CONSULTANT i don't know WHAT'S i don't know what's wrong with those. Folks, also if you would like more talk About Avatar fire And ash that is in their. Feed that's a conversation With Tasha robinson And Keith. PHIPPS i was just listening to that, today their reactions after Seeing fire And ash and, yeah the next picture. Show folks do have their best of twenty twenty five show dropping. Soon you can find new episodes Every tuesday wherever you get your. Podcasts what do you do?

01:23:57
Speaker 2: Heat if you were RICH i suppose and All Richmond.

01:24:08
Speaker 4: New time for a new deeply flawed film spotting. Poll in a couple of, weeks we will do our twenty twenty six preview now in our, notes Producer sam has a question in what format we haven't discussed that time for a little on air production meeting, Now, josh back in the, day and this even includes since you joined the, show we used to do a crazy. Thing we would just do a straightforward top five our most anticipated movies of the year five to.

01:24:39
Speaker 3: One.

01:24:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, now SOMETIMES i THINK i was able to convince you to do something that YOU i know hate to, do which is we would we would set, aside kind of put in the penalty box some of the overly obvious ones like nobody needs to hear us talk about how excited we are about the New Wes anderson. Film but for the most, part we would do a straight top. Five then we switched to the questions format o our top five questions about the Movie. Yere then we went to please do the honors fully a do Fully dutch. Matches, yeah we We we pitted two upcoming movies against each other and we had to choose which one we were most excited.

01:25:24
Speaker 1: About, inspired we wait to ask if you're inspired by your writing love for Jo joker fully ad that's?

01:25:30
Speaker 3: It, yeah of, course.

01:25:32
Speaker 1: You just always wanted ways to fit that into the.

01:25:34
Speaker 3: Show that's right.

01:25:35
Speaker 4: NOW i can't wait to ask you this question BECAUSE i would bet a significant amount of money that you have zero recollection of how we did, this and to be, fair to be, FAIR i knew what it, was but WHEN i looked it, up there was a detail THAT i had, forgotten so SO i didn't know it one. Either do you recall what our approach was last year with our?

01:26:00
Speaker 1: MOVIE i THINK i have an informed guess AND i need to back up though and fill in the history. Here the reason we went away from the questions is because we discovered that our questions were too unique and we weren't talking about the biggest movies of the, year, right the bigger movie then we. Were then we were getting feedback, like whide are you doing a twenty twenty whatever? Preview and you don't mention The Wes. Anderson so then we had.

01:26:27
Speaker 4: Become in sometimes, well we actually had too many movies that it ended up we Didn't we didn't end.

01:26:32
Speaker 3: Up, reviewing so we were.

01:26:34
Speaker 4: Obscured we were talking about the movies that were in our. Previews so, yeah so it's all it's all a vicious. Cycle and then we had The folia due debacle and uh, HUH i know what we.

01:26:45
Speaker 1: Did here's my. Guests we also went through an EXTREME i don't think we were fully out of, it but we went through an extreme draft for a phase where everything had to be a.

01:26:55
Speaker 3: Draft was last year's preview a. Draft it was a draft.

01:26:59
Speaker 1: There it was a.

01:27:00
Speaker 4: Draft the detail THAT i forgot was we did a top. Ten we did a top, ten so we each had five, picks but it was just ten picks.

01:27:10
Speaker 3: In, order.

01:27:11
Speaker 4: Alternating you had the first. Pick you picked the movie you were most excited. About that that, title by the, Way mickey. Seventeen THEN i picked my. NUMBER i got my number one pick turns out pretty. Smart one one battle after. Another, yeah in the.

01:27:28
Speaker 1: Nuther, one the number one of the. Year that would have been.

01:27:30
Speaker 3: PERFECT i, KNOW i.

01:27:32
Speaker 4: Know and then we just we just went back and forth until we had ten titles that were our most anticipated of the. Year so we obviously have lots of. Options what are we going to?

01:27:42
Speaker 1: Do so despite the, SHADE i just threw at the draft, IDEA i kind of like. THAT i like that we work. TOO i thought it was good we covered that many. Titles let's bring it up at our real production meeting With sam this, week, okay and see if he feels the. Same but that's kind of Where i'm.

01:28:03
Speaker 4: LEANING i am as, well and we'll see.

01:28:06
Speaker 3: What, listen the.

01:28:09
Speaker 1: Fact that it was his idea probably and that we both like. It Knowing, sam that means he's going to come in with some kakamemi new idea that we will never have conceived, of and we'll be doing.

01:28:21
Speaker 3: That, sam bring it to the. Table.

01:28:23
Speaker 4: Listeners you can bring your ideas to the table as. Well now let's get back to the matter at. Hand our new poll question asked you to choose your most anticipated film of the new movie year that comes out Before Memorial. Day so most anticipated film that comes out first half of the, Year, josh please give our listeners the.

01:28:44
Speaker 1: Options Emerald fanel With Wuthering heights that's Starring Margot robbie And jacob Eh, Loordi Maggie Gillenhall's The bride With Jesse buckley And Christian, Bale lord And Miller's Project Hail, Mary Ryan, GOSLING i know nothing about. This sounds, Great i've seen the. Preview, yeah. Okay how About zendeia And Robert pattinson in the? Drama, Sure David lowry's pop world drama horror. Movie, Hmm Mother, Mary, Okay i'm not sure what a pop world drama, is But i'm ready for it me. Either the Stars Anne hathaway And Mikayla. Cole The Devil Wear's prada two is another, option and then we will give you the choice of Other.

01:29:31
Speaker 4: Yes you can write in your pick if your most anticipated film is not there of those. Options, josh, well it turns out you don't know what most of those titles, are AND i barely.

01:29:43
Speaker 3: Know so it's. Hard it's hard to. Pick it's hard to.

01:29:46
Speaker 4: PICK i, guess just going off of actor or, director what stands. OUT i, mean The. Bride The bride probably stands out to some. Extent i've been aware of The bride for quite some. Time i'm still on A frankenstein and.

01:29:59
Speaker 1: Was on our preview line last. YEAR i think it WAS i think it, Was, Yeah Del. Toro's you, Know frankenstein almost made my top. Ten I'm i'm like, belated but fully on board With Jesse buckley After. Haminet SO i want to go, there you know. WHAT i Think i'm gonna go there because excited About Weathering heights really a NOVEL i, Love but you, know it's just an. Adaptation The bride seems to be doing something a little. Differently i'm leaning towards The Zendeia Robert pattinson BECAUSE i appreciate both of them so much as, actors And i'm assuming the drama is an original. Concept perhaps. NOT i mean it's not like, something, okay not as familiar As frankenstein Or Wathering. Heights so right Now i'm torn between the drama knowing nothing else and The. Bride how about?

01:30:55
Speaker 4: You it's it's written and directed by Someone i'm not familiar, With Christopher. Borglely the log line here is a happily engaged couple is put to the test when an unexpected turn sends their wedding week off the. Rails april third is when the drama is scheduled to come.

01:31:13
Speaker 3: Out, Josh so.

01:31:14
Speaker 1: For some reason that towards, here that pushes me towards The. BRIDE i just.

01:31:20
Speaker 4: Heard you heard wedding and you're, LIKE i don't need, It But i'm there done.

01:31:24
Speaker 3: That let's go With. YEAH i WISH i could.

01:31:26
Speaker 4: Go in a major different, direction BUT i the, bride and especially with that, cast is Where i'm.

01:31:34
Speaker 3: Leaning So i'm going to pick The.

01:31:35
Speaker 4: Bride you can vote in that poll and leave a comment at film spotting dot. Net we will share your results in a couple of.

01:31:41
Speaker 3: Weeks how to make that?

01:31:46
Speaker 2: Visual, hello.

01:32:04
Speaker 4: We do have one more quick review to get. In this is just some Viewing, josh THAT i did right before we started. Recording as harrowing as the experience, WAS i thought it was important to try to fit. In and the movie is Called The voice Of Hinned, rajab directed by and written by AND i apologize If i'm mispronouncing the name Here cawther Ben, hania who may be familiar to. YOU i can't, Remember. Josh we did talk about and Recommend Four daughters on the, Show but was that one THAT i recommended or did we discuss that movie? Together do you recall reviewing that?

01:32:47
Speaker 1: Movie, yeah oh, yeah, yeah it's if it's the ONE i think, Thought, yeah, yeah it's Three i'm enough.

01:32:55
Speaker 4: NOW a fascinating, Film, yeah a really interesting, film, blending blending fiction and. Nonfiction and that is a MOVIE i put in the CATEGORY i talked about it in terms of the ecstatic truth documentary, style very very hurt zoggy and right where you have a woman who lost her two, daughters, who without getting into the, details are no longer part of her, family and so the filmmaker casts two young women to play her, daughters and in that artifice or through that, artifice hopes to find some kind of answers and find some kind Of catharsis in that really good. Movie the voice Of hinrijab is doing something somewhat, similar only only in the basic way that it is blurring fiction and. Nonfiction it is deeply disturbing and. Vital the film is About Red crescent volunteers who receive an emergency. Call it is based on a true story of a five or six year old girl named Him, rejab who is in a, car was in a car traveling with four of her cousins and her aunt and, uncle and she gets caught in fire in a firefight In gaza and ends up on the phone pleading for Rescue, josh and she is only this little girl is only you, know is only eight minutes away from these. Volunteers but of course getting an ambulance to her is not is not as simple as it should certainly. Be the blurring here is that everyone who performs in the, movie it is it is completely focused on The Red crescent. Volunteers they are all actors and they are all performing from a script that Then hania has has. Written but we hear the real, girl the real Hind, rajab that is all her, audio the actual audio from the. Call you can imagine how horrifying it is to to in what feels like real, time to have to sit with those, characters knowing how helpless they are despite all of their efforts to try to get to. Her and and something that stands out to me from the film is there there are two moments where the manager of this center he brings up to the character who, first the man who first took the, call that this guy Named.

01:36:04
Speaker 3: Omar he's deeply.

01:36:07
Speaker 4: Affected by, this as you would, expect and he twice lights up a cigarette or tries to light up a, cigarette and the manager tells, him you can't smoke in.

01:36:15
Speaker 3: Here and.

01:36:18
Speaker 4: These moments pass By josh very, quickly but you just can't help but watch and hear that and think about the absurdity in a way right of this THIS i don't know what to call, it other than a call, center that's what it feels. Like and there's a sterility and a banality to the setting. Here we never see we never see the, girl we never see the, firefight only we only hear, it and otherwise we are focused only on those volunteers at the call, center and you think about the absurdity of this world in which everything is dictated by. Protocols the word coordinate is used one hundred times in the, movie except everything seems to be uncoordinated and, nothing nothing is working the way it should and it's a. Mess and think about just the horror, itself about what's occurring and what kind of just world do these things? Occur what rules are being followed that allow these types of atrocities to, Occur and yet in this place you can't light up a. Cigarette there's rules forbidding that that have to be. Followed and then as absurd as that, is you, think, well that also that does. Matter that's important that we have rules that in places where where civility does, exist we need to keep making sure that we're enforcing. Rules and those are some of the things that the movie makes you consider while you're thinking about so many other things watching. It and certainly it's not a. Movie it's not a movie that you have to be a parent two to have a very tough viewing experience with or to be affected by.

01:38:04
Speaker 3: Emotionally absolutely.

01:38:06
Speaker 4: Not but especially when you have a five or six year old young girl at home LIKE i, do and you're when you, hear when you hear your daughter and she is suffering in any kind of, way and your only instinct is to try to help. Her and you hear this girl on the phone and you think about the way she's suffering and understand that nobody can help. Her it's that that's where the angst for lack of a better, word really really does occur watching this. Film but AS i, SAID i, THINK i think it's an important film that the people need to see that is out.

01:38:41
Speaker 1: Now, yeah that that mixture of fact and, dramatization you, know which as you, Said Four daughters. Includes In Four, daughters it made me think also Her zog as you, said but a Bass kiostami and films Like Close, up you, know being in that, tradition, uh of pursuing truths about the human experience through the use of both tools of, fact harrowing fact and also dramatization that maybe brings us into the moment in a different. Way it, sounds as you, said like a tough, watch but, yeah a crucial, one especially you think about hearing these stories like. THIS i remember when this, broke you, know and it had made headlines in The, states and then the next tragedy happens and you kind of forget about, it so there's also something IMPORTANT i think about bringing this back to the fore because the situation that it describes is still.

01:39:42
Speaker 4: Ongoing The voice Of Henry jab is out now in limited, release And, josh that's our.

01:39:49
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01:40:26
Speaker 4: Shop in that Film spotting, archive you can find two conversations with The safti brothers talking About Uncut gems episode seven to fifty seven And Good time episode six forty. Five and, yes There's avatar talk before you join the, Show josh A Film Spotting fix From january twenty, ten and then Later Avatar The way Of water From december twenty twenty two in limited Release Jim jarmish's, Father, mother sister brother With Adam, Driver Kate, Blanchette Tom waits And Charlotte. Rampling this is the winner of The Golden lion at last year Is Venice Film. Festival Krista stewart's directing, Debut The chronology Of water with image In poots And Thora birch and AS i, mentioned the voice Of Hin rejab from the director of twenty twenty Three's Four daughters in wide, release the sequel to twenty twenties Comments Striking earth Movie greenland With Gerard Butler greenland two colon. Migration are you, Ready?

01:41:23
Speaker 1: Josh do you.

01:41:26
Speaker 4: Do you?

01:41:26
Speaker 1: THINK i was just thinking about? This Can Gerard butler Save greenland from The Trump? ADMINISTRATION i certainly certainly hope.

01:41:33
Speaker 4: SO i hope so as. Well also primate the feature length version of the most entertaining trailer of the new movie, year the Tagline there's something wrong With. Ben ben is a chimp and here's the thing wrong with.

01:41:48
Speaker 1: Him It's rabi's come, on come, on, hey it seems to be, Anyway As flight of The concord, said leave those poor monkeys. Alone they've got problems enough of their.

01:41:59
Speaker 3: Area.

01:41:59
Speaker 4: Yeah in other, news It's january at The multiplex next. Week as we have mentioned a few, times come on back for Our scenes of the year and we'll see what else we get up.

01:42:11
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01:42:30
Speaker 3: And I'm Adam. Kempinar thanks for.

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