LOUISIANA SWAMP SASQUATCH ENCOUNTERS | THE HAIRY MAN IS REAL

<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, and welcome back to Sasquatch Theory. Deep in
<v Speaker 1>the swamps and river bottoms along the Louisiana, Texas border,
<v Speaker 1>strange screams have echoed through the woods for generations. Locals
<v Speaker 1>didn't call it bigfoot necessarily, they called it the hairy
<v Speaker 1>man the wild man. In this episode, I talk with Lynn,
<v Speaker 1>a lifelong hunter and trapper who isn't here to speculate.
<v Speaker 1>He's here to share what he's seen with his own
<v Speaker 1>eyes and what he's heard in those woods since the
<v Speaker 1>early nineteen seventies. Lynn doesn't believe these creatures are a
<v Speaker 1>cuddly little bunny, and he warns people to be careful
<v Speaker 1>when they are confronted by the sasquatch. If you have
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot encounter that you would like to share with
<v Speaker 1>me here on Sasquatch Theory, feel free to get in
<v Speaker 1>touch with me sometime at Sasquatch Theory at outlook dot com.
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<v Speaker 1>the channel. And with all that being said, let's dive
<v Speaker 1>straight into our next bigfoot report from the state of Louisiana. Lynn,
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
<v Speaker 2>Oh pretty good, Gail. How are you.
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all right. Thank you so much for asking
<v Speaker 1>Lynn if you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences and
<v Speaker 1>all the knowledge you have regarding them from the very beginning.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, my name is Lynn. I'm sixty six years old.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a native of Louisiana along to Louisiana Texas border.
<v Speaker 2>I come from a family that lived as far by
<v Speaker 2>facts I know, at least before the Civil War, in
<v Speaker 2>the Sabine River bottoms along the Louisiana Texas border on
<v Speaker 2>the Louisiana side. I was a family that spent their
<v Speaker 2>lives so far back in the woods. As my mother
<v Speaker 2>used to describe, you had the hump sunshine. They they
<v Speaker 2>had been seeing these creatures, as they referred to as
<v Speaker 2>the wild man, for one hundred years or more down
<v Speaker 2>in those river bottoms. It wasn't a thing of myth
<v Speaker 2>or legends. Something most everybody down that way at one
<v Speaker 2>time or another had seen or heard. Growing up in
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, I remember my grandparents' house, which was basically
<v Speaker 2>six miles off the closest to lane Blacktop into the woods,
<v Speaker 2>with another forty forty five miles of the river bottom
<v Speaker 2>behind them. I can remember late night streams and howls
<v Speaker 2>that you would hear sometimes that going out of those
<v Speaker 2>river bottoms. The adults knew what they were, what was
<v Speaker 2>called the people back then, they didn't talk a whole
<v Speaker 2>lot about them. I was told start back because I
<v Speaker 2>could remember that the wild man, that was the wild
<v Speaker 2>man making those sounds. Not to worry about the way
<v Speaker 2>back down there in the river bottoms, and they're gonna
<v Speaker 2>come up here and bother you. In this area where
<v Speaker 2>I live now is further north, but still along the
<v Speaker 2>Texas losing in a border. I'm fifty five pitched six
<v Speaker 2>miles south of or Falk, Arkansas, Texas Canty. There are
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in this area who have known
<v Speaker 2>about these things and actually have seen it. We have
<v Speaker 2>some fairly notable researchers in this area. I'm not a researcher.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a bigfoot fan boy or enthusiast. I'm a
<v Speaker 2>hunter and tracker, old school. I've hunted these woods, and
<v Speaker 2>I hunted woods from southern Missouri down the Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisianna, Arkansas,
<v Speaker 2>and Texas and Louisiana borders all my life. I come
<v Speaker 2>from an old school family of woodsman. I never had
<v Speaker 2>a b begun. I was given my first firearm nineteen
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight single shot Springfield twenty two rifles when I
<v Speaker 2>was six or seven years old. By eight or nine
<v Speaker 2>years old, I was in the woods, sat in the
<v Speaker 2>river bottoms, squirrel hunting by myself. I probably started camping
<v Speaker 2>in the woods by myself round ten years old. The
<v Speaker 2>biggest passion outside my career has been hunting, fishing the wilder.
<v Speaker 2>I've spent probably one thousand nights at least in my
<v Speaker 2>lifetime in the woods. The first encounter I had visually
<v Speaker 2>had with these creatures was on a creek bank. Now
<v Speaker 2>they were on the office side of the creek bank.
<v Speaker 2>It's nineteen seventy two, just after school was out the
<v Speaker 2>end of May, and literally I thought, actually that they
<v Speaker 2>were big monkeys. One of them, from my perspective from
<v Speaker 2>where I was at here to be maybe four foot tall.
<v Speaker 2>The other one made a little bit taller. But I
<v Speaker 2>saw them for two or three minutes, and I literally
<v Speaker 2>thought they were monkeys until I voiced the experience to
<v Speaker 2>my mother, and my mother told me that there were
<v Speaker 2>no monkeys in Louisianna, and what I had seen was
<v Speaker 2>the wild man and basically told me to keep my
<v Speaker 2>little butt out of those Greek bottoms. Up until that time,
<v Speaker 2>even though I've been told about the wild man, the
<v Speaker 2>only the only perception that our visual perception that I
<v Speaker 2>had or something that might be a wild man was
<v Speaker 2>what i'd seen on TV, something like Tarzan, maybe a
<v Speaker 2>feral human. I was thinking something more like actual human life,
<v Speaker 2>uh not some big monkey. But anyway, after that, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. It was probably a couple of years later,
<v Speaker 2>probably twenty maybe twenty miles south of that same area,
<v Speaker 2>I had a brief encounter something iyepedal tall and very large.
<v Speaker 2>In my entire life in the outdoors, I've only seen
<v Speaker 2>one thing that would match that description these creatures. Over
<v Speaker 2>the years I've seen them. I can't even tell you
<v Speaker 2>exactly how many times. Most of the sightings that you
<v Speaker 2>want to call them, that I've had have been just
<v Speaker 2>very cleaning glimpses of something moving in the brush. Some
<v Speaker 2>of them been a little bit better view. What I
<v Speaker 2>do know about these things, they can stand still for
<v Speaker 2>a very very long time. They seem to be very aware,
<v Speaker 2>are sensitive to how much life is surrounding in the daytime.
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like they can they can tell the depth
<v Speaker 2>of shadow that they're in. And I can guarantee that
<v Speaker 2>there are hunters every year that if they don't smell
<v Speaker 2>these thing things which you don't always smell them, they
<v Speaker 2>probably every year. There's probably many hunters that walk within
<v Speaker 2>yards of these things and don't know costing unless unless
<v Speaker 2>they move, we're not going to see them humans when
<v Speaker 2>they go in the woods. They're looking for something specific
<v Speaker 2>in this part of the world. They're generally just looking
<v Speaker 2>for their particular prey during that season, whatever it may be,
<v Speaker 2>and snakes. Outside of that, they're pretty much oblivious to
<v Speaker 2>anything else. That age and the ability of these things
<v Speaker 2>to remain. My encounters with them wants the results of
<v Speaker 2>a search for them. Uh. I encountered them simply for
<v Speaker 2>the fact that I was looking for the same thing
<v Speaker 2>they were. I was tracking deer and sometimes hogs. Mostly
<v Speaker 2>deer in these things be largely on large mammals deer halls.
<v Speaker 2>Back in the seventies, I bounty hunted coyotes with the
<v Speaker 2>Cattleman's Association. So we're losing a lot of livestock on
<v Speaker 2>what they blamed on coyotes, but I believe the coyotes
<v Speaker 2>all of these things. I've come across some pretty mutilated
<v Speaker 2>deer hogs in my lifetime where the entrails were pretty
<v Speaker 2>much gone, but there was a whole lot of flesh
<v Speaker 2>still there. Most of the time that I've come across some,
<v Speaker 2>it was after the coties had gotten there. A few
<v Speaker 2>times it's been before they've gotten there, though on one
<v Speaker 2>occasion I could hear them coming. Codies and these things
<v Speaker 2>are kind of being related, like deer and hogs, or
<v Speaker 2>because it was a time in my life a few
<v Speaker 2>years of my life where I pursued codies and which
<v Speaker 2>is mostly a night hunt and having a lot of hunters,
<v Speaker 2>they'll go out and look to for deer sign stuff
<v Speaker 2>right before deer season. Uh. Back when before age started
<v Speaker 2>to prohibit the amount of time that I could spend
<v Speaker 2>it was, I tracked deer movements in the areas I
<v Speaker 2>hunted year round. Uh. I never hunted from the stand.
<v Speaker 2>I was a brown by opening day. I not only
<v Speaker 2>generally knew where I was gonna be hunting that day,
<v Speaker 2>but most of the time I knew the specific deer
<v Speaker 2>that I was going to be targeting because I think
<v Speaker 2>watching for months, that's in the nature of why I
<v Speaker 2>have seen them. Like I said, they were nothing. They
<v Speaker 2>weren't a mystery to me. The only mystery that I
<v Speaker 2>had was when I realized exactly what they were, uh,
<v Speaker 2>back when I was a boy. But I've been told
<v Speaker 2>I've been told about the wild Man ever since John
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy was the President of the United States, so you
<v Speaker 2>know how long that's been. But they're out there. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I hear a lot of people talking about
<v Speaker 2>different aspects of them that I personally have no experience with.
<v Speaker 2>What I have encountered in my life I was living,
<v Speaker 2>breathing creatures. What they are, I couldn't tell you. They
<v Speaker 2>have similarities to humans, some similarities to primates, but atonomically,
<v Speaker 2>muscularly and skeletally, and I don't think they're either one.
<v Speaker 2>They are very of course, they vary like like humans do.
<v Speaker 2>An appearance. These things are muscular, uh from behind the shoulder.
<v Speaker 2>Muscles just seem to be connected to the top of
<v Speaker 2>the head. I've seen various shades of hair and various
<v Speaker 2>amounts of hair covering on these creatures. They have a
<v Speaker 2>facial feature. Facial feature is humanoid. I would say that
<v Speaker 2>at least of the brow down a large heads, long arms,
<v Speaker 2>large hands. Uh they have. They have broad, somewhat flattened
<v Speaker 2>noses for the most part, but down turning hospitals and
<v Speaker 2>forward facing the hospitals, large miles. I've never seen anything that,
<v Speaker 2>I well, nothing, nothing as far as bangs or tusks
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. Of course, like I said, most
<v Speaker 2>most of the time you see these things, it's suspleeting glimpses.
<v Speaker 2>But they seem to walk somewhat fit need, and they
<v Speaker 2>seem to have it's hard to describe this kind of
<v Speaker 2>elongated pillpises, and when they walk it's kind of like
<v Speaker 2>their pelvic area twists forward in the direction of their travel.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of it's kind of hard to describe, but
<v Speaker 2>I do know this. Even at a full gate, they
<v Speaker 2>can transition between bipedal and walter pedal locomotion and vice versa.
<v Speaker 2>They can go down on all fours, will come up
<v Speaker 2>off all fours at gate, and it don't take them
<v Speaker 2>but a second to disappear. I here a lot of
<v Speaker 2>people talk about them vanish, and I've never seen anything
<v Speaker 2>really bizarre like that. But I do know this, and
<v Speaker 2>and this is something prevalent when we're talking a lot
<v Speaker 2>of game in the real dense woods like is in
<v Speaker 2>this part of the country. Uh. There are areas along
<v Speaker 2>the Texas Louisiana border in Arkansas and border that at
<v Speaker 2>high noon are as dark as as dusk. But a
<v Speaker 2>lot of times you can watch a creature run off
<v Speaker 2>regardless of what you're tracking. It's a dark colored animal
<v Speaker 2>and it's running into the into the brush, even though
<v Speaker 2>you have some visual on them, even though they're running
<v Speaker 2>through some foliage and stuff. The further they run into
<v Speaker 2>the woods, if you're standing in an area that's more
<v Speaker 2>illuminated and you're looking into the into the brush, the
<v Speaker 2>further in that brush you go, the darker it gets.
<v Speaker 2>And a dark colored creature moving into that ah less
<v Speaker 2>illuminated forest reaches at some point according to how dark
<v Speaker 2>they themselves are, they reach, they reach a vanishing point,
<v Speaker 2>per se, when they are far enough into the brush
<v Speaker 2>that they are as dark as the background and they
<v Speaker 2>just seem to disappear. That a phenomena that people are observing.
<v Speaker 2>I don't There are a lot of researchers in my area.
<v Speaker 2>I don't go out looking for these things. And all
<v Speaker 2>the times I've been in the woods, I really hope
<v Speaker 2>I didn't run across any sign of these things. Because
<v Speaker 2>nothing will want waruin a good hunt like the presence
<v Speaker 2>of these creatures. So if they're bedded down in an area,
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be the only wildlife. So what I
<v Speaker 2>can say about these things? And in the course of
<v Speaker 2>my lifetime, I've witnessed the rapid expansion of suburbia in
<v Speaker 2>my local area. A lot of the woods and probably
<v Speaker 2>even even the woods that I first saw these things
<v Speaker 2>and are now within a city limits. Suburbia has gobbled
<v Speaker 2>up thousands upon thousands of acres of woods the city.
<v Speaker 2>In the area I'm in, you used to never even
<v Speaker 2>see a squirrelk Now you've got squirrel, deer, hogs, and raccoons, possums, armadillas,
<v Speaker 2>and every other manner of wild all in suburban areas
<v Speaker 2>because it's Suburbia has displaced the woods. Well, those creatures
<v Speaker 2>didn't simply cease to exist. They just got pushed into
<v Speaker 2>more and more of a confined area, became more and
<v Speaker 2>more accustomed to human presence. And I don't believe these
<v Speaker 2>creatures are any difference. I have found sign of these
<v Speaker 2>creatures literally as the crow f lies, probably less than
<v Speaker 2>three miles from a Walmart super sis. I think they
<v Speaker 2>are I think a there are more of these creatures
<v Speaker 2>than most people believe, and I think they are a
<v Speaker 2>lot closer in a lot of areas than you think.
<v Speaker 2>They're just very, very good. It's stayed concealed. The thing.
<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned sometimes not only about these creatures, but about
<v Speaker 2>other forms of wildlife, because I have worn a lot
<v Speaker 2>of neighbors and stuff about dangers that exist just beyond
<v Speaker 2>their mints, especially when it comes to their children and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I pointed out things like
<v Speaker 2>bobcats and coyotes, I mean literally beat behind fenced in
<v Speaker 2>backyards two people in the area people, especially since people
<v Speaker 2>in suburbs don't realize that a lot of places they
<v Speaker 2>live now only decades earlier. With the middle of the wilderness,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know much more, uh specifically to add to it.
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any questions mccail?
<v Speaker 1>Not right now? I mean, if you want to keep
<v Speaker 1>flowing through it, I think you're doing excellent well.
<v Speaker 2>These creatures, like all other wildlife, are never going to
<v Speaker 2>be far from three things. Food source, water source, and
<v Speaker 2>habitat cover. Anywhere you have a year round continuous water
<v Speaker 2>source and adequate wildlife, you will find all manner of creatures.
<v Speaker 2>I hear a lot about. I hear people talking about
<v Speaker 2>wood knocks. I've heard those all my lot growing up
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. Trees themselves sometimes make loud pops and grooms,
<v Speaker 2>but there are other when you hear something that sounds
<v Speaker 2>like Louisville slugg or slam side of a tree, I
<v Speaker 2>think that these creatures use those knocks to locate one another,
<v Speaker 2>to know the position of one another. That's just a theory,
<v Speaker 2>but that's the best one that I've had in my life.
<v Speaker 2>I can't see any other reasons why they do that.
<v Speaker 2>I know that people. I've heard people talk about orbs
<v Speaker 2>and things of that nature, those type of things. Lights
<v Speaker 2>in the woods has been something that's always existed, and
<v Speaker 2>I've seen them and everybody else that I know. Some
<v Speaker 2>of that given part of my professional career and education.
<v Speaker 2>It's based on the fields of chemical engineering and petrochemical engineering.
<v Speaker 2>Some of these things are naturally occurring phenomena will of
<v Speaker 2>the withst fox, fire, swalk ass, whatever you want to
<v Speaker 2>call it. There are phenomena that exists that has been
<v Speaker 2>well documented, such as all lightning e sotia, that we
<v Speaker 2>don't understand lights in the sky. I've never seen a UFO,
<v Speaker 2>but I do know people who have some family members
<v Speaker 2>with one instance of the curd sometimes. I would presume
<v Speaker 2>I heard this accounting several times when I was a child.
<v Speaker 2>It would have been probably in the late forties or
<v Speaker 2>early fifties down in central western Louisiana, where multiple family
<v Speaker 2>members in two separate locations in the same area saw
<v Speaker 2>three large silver discs, and an aunt and uncle lived
<v Speaker 2>up on the hill, so these things were emitting intense
<v Speaker 2>feet and to the point that they both suffered some
<v Speaker 2>burns from the things and said they living ignited things
<v Speaker 2>around their house. My mother and father in the nineteen fifties,
<v Speaker 2>we're at a drive in theater and they said that
<v Speaker 2>some objects came and was traveling horizontally basically in line
<v Speaker 2>with the highway in front of the theater. They said,
<v Speaker 2>probably a couple of hundred feet off the ground that
<v Speaker 2>lift the entire area up like daytime. And I think
<v Speaker 2>I think I remember my mother showing me a newspaper
<v Speaker 2>about it when I was a kid. Yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>people see things what they are. I don't know, ah.
<v Speaker 2>I hear a lot of connection with these creatures. And
<v Speaker 2>there may well be nobody knows what these things are.
<v Speaker 2>If they do, I'm sure they work for the government.
<v Speaker 2>Uh heard and described as the net one. And there
<v Speaker 2>is there is a historical and biblical context were these creatures.
<v Speaker 2>More of it can be found the book Giants read
<v Speaker 2>a lot about these creatures fawns among humans, humans and
<v Speaker 2>all angels. I guess best description. I mean even even
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Genesis it says in those days there
<v Speaker 2>were giants. I part of my family, and they were
<v Speaker 2>married into the family. But they were Native America, back
<v Speaker 2>in the Seven River Bottoms. They were chopped Tall, the
<v Speaker 2>scent that had migrated into that area to escape m
<v Speaker 2>hum European expansion into the Oklahoma territory, to avoid betrayal
<v Speaker 2>of tears. My uncle was the one who taught me
<v Speaker 2>that was tracking front. He was a little buddy chop Tall,
<v Speaker 2>and spent his entire life. They lived, worked. He was
<v Speaker 2>a lover to new a log and I Vietnam sot
<v Speaker 2>saw me all operations. His mother woman, she lived here
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seven years old. They used to talk
<v Speaker 2>to her. She was supposed to be some kind of medicine.
<v Speaker 2>She told me tales about how these creatures. She said
<v Speaker 2>that something to effect that several tribes banded together a
<v Speaker 2>millennia ago and went to war with these creatures on
<v Speaker 2>the banks of the Mississippi River and pushed the remaining
<v Speaker 2>ones of them into an area of southern Arkansas western
<v Speaker 2>Losana in these Texas and for centuries. To their people,
<v Speaker 2>that was like no man's land to go into. His
<v Speaker 2>kind of cab new to go in that area. They
<v Speaker 2>had a word for them. I can't remember how they
<v Speaker 2>pronounced the word now. I asked what it meant in
<v Speaker 2>something basically like stunk people. That's what they call them. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>They seemed to know a lot about them, and they
<v Speaker 2>had no love for them whatsoever. That was just what
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was a small boy, I used
<v Speaker 2>to go. When I first started going into the woods,
<v Speaker 2>honey by myself. I was told by parents, grandparents' family members.
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you see one of these things, never
<v Speaker 2>shoot it, he said, I only shoot it one if
<v Speaker 2>you absolutely have to. I said, if you had to
<v Speaker 2>shoot it in the face and reload as fast as
<v Speaker 2>you could, because there's probably gonna be another one jumping
<v Speaker 2>out of the bush. Uh. At that time, it's a
<v Speaker 2>young young Oh. I really I've seen I'd seen deer,
<v Speaker 2>I'd seen squirrels, I saw rabbits, I saw a possums, raccoons.
<v Speaker 2>At that point in my life, I'd never seen a
<v Speaker 2>wild man, and I wasn't overly concerned about that. But
<v Speaker 2>I think in later years I came to understand. I
<v Speaker 2>think the reason that they said you shoot it in
<v Speaker 2>the face was because back then I was something generally
<v Speaker 2>with a single shot shotgun, and you shoot something in
<v Speaker 2>the face, especially a predator, it was a good chance
<v Speaker 2>you disabled its sense of sight and potentially, if it's
<v Speaker 2>a significant enough wound to where you pick the damage
<v Speaker 2>upon h nasal passages of sinus cavity, to be delitated
<v Speaker 2>his sense of smell as well. So I think that
<v Speaker 2>was the theory and and telling me to shoot it
<v Speaker 2>in the face. But most of my family, as far
<v Speaker 2>as their perception of these things, was to leave them alone.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, they didn't. You would. You would overhear
<v Speaker 2>conversations between two adults and making reference to these things.
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't something they said generally set around and
<v Speaker 2>talked about but all of them pretty much felt like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, this was just another creature back in those
<v Speaker 2>river bottoms that was best left alone. Uh, there's a
<v Speaker 2>lot of my mother had to say, and whenever something
<v Speaker 2>would puzzle me, you're about something to say something, I'd
<v Speaker 2>be trying to figure it out. My mother had a
<v Speaker 2>saying she would always say, she said, well, some let
<v Speaker 2>me tell you what. There are more things in this
<v Speaker 2>world than heaven and Earth. And that's basically the adage
<v Speaker 2>I used to describe a lot of the phenomena that
<v Speaker 2>people observe. Far as smart is humans believe they are.
<v Speaker 2>In this era of technology and daily advancements in science,
<v Speaker 2>we have only begun to understand the world and universe
<v Speaker 2>in which we did it. Human beings on this planet
<v Speaker 2>are relative newcomers. There have been multiple periods of life
<v Speaker 2>have come and went on this planet before we came along.
<v Speaker 2>I think we are only beginning to understand the world
<v Speaker 2>around us. There are things that we experience and the
<v Speaker 2>course for our lives that leave us puzzled, especially when
<v Speaker 2>you get the age that I am. You've seen a
<v Speaker 2>lot that you can't explain, and in the course of
<v Speaker 2>my lifetime. I'm sure a lot of this stuff will
<v Speaker 2>not be explaining because we simply as advanced as we are,
<v Speaker 2>do not have the understanding. I think you can have
<v Speaker 2>multiple phenomena exists in the same space and time and
<v Speaker 2>the same plane of reality and not be connected. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's a bit presumptuous in reaching to automatically
<v Speaker 2>assume if you see lights in the woods and you
<v Speaker 2>see a big hairy figure in the darkness to related.
<v Speaker 2>I'm the kind of person that I remain skeptical about
<v Speaker 2>everything until I see some kind of data of its supports,
<v Speaker 2>because if you start looking at if you see a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of anomalies and you're trying to figure something out
<v Speaker 2>and group them all into the same thing, you may
<v Speaker 2>go down too many rabbit holes looking for answers to
<v Speaker 2>any of those. And part of my career idea so
<v Speaker 2>a lot with critical failure analysis. And I would have
<v Speaker 2>staff that would be looking at recorded data prior to
<v Speaker 2>a failure and see a bunch of anomalies, and I
<v Speaker 2>would have to caution them about not trying to relate
<v Speaker 2>all of those anomalies to the failure itself, but look
<v Speaker 2>at each thing individual and see if you can actually
<v Speaker 2>establish some sort of association, because if you group a
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of things into one and start trying to
<v Speaker 2>analyze it from that perspective, you may totally miss what
<v Speaker 2>you are actually looking for because it takes you in
<v Speaker 2>a whole nother direction. So I'm the kind of person
<v Speaker 2>that believes anything is possible in this world. I don't
<v Speaker 2>discount anything, nor am I really quick to believe anything
<v Speaker 2>just based on supposition. Kind of person. I always want
<v Speaker 2>to see data. I always want to see fact. But
<v Speaker 2>in conclusion to all that, there are a whole lot
<v Speaker 2>of strangeness out there that people observe that doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>any sense and on the surface has no apparent explanation.
<v Speaker 2>Of course or on go now has pretty much come
<v Speaker 2>out and acknowledged the existence of UFOs or unidentified aerial
<v Speaker 2>phenomenas these days. So who knows? Anybody? Like I said,
<v Speaker 2>anybody who actually does know probably works in the government,
<v Speaker 2>because there's no way that our government does not know
<v Speaker 2>these creatures. It because there's too many accounts and instances
<v Speaker 2>that happened that has happened in and around and near
<v Speaker 2>our military installations. So for whatever reason, whether it be economic,
<v Speaker 2>or maybe for some religious reasons, any number of other potentials.
<v Speaker 2>Possibility is they don't want to acknowledge the existence of them.
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that if you go into the woods and
<v Speaker 2>you're walking around the woods, just random woods, looking for
<v Speaker 2>these things, the odds of you encountering one are slim.
<v Speaker 2>These things not only see you, but hear you and
<v Speaker 2>smell long ways. It would in my experience for the
<v Speaker 2>most part, these things they seem to want to know
<v Speaker 2>if you're around, to be already, if you're around where
<v Speaker 2>you are. I think that's for security reasons for themselves,
<v Speaker 2>but will mostly try to avoid you at all costs,
<v Speaker 2>and the less you're near an area where they're bedding
<v Speaker 2>or where they're hunting. I have had things thrown at me.
<v Speaker 2>One night, I had a piece of broken green pine
<v Speaker 2>about four inches dam but or maybe twenty inches long,
<v Speaker 2>come flying out of the woods, and if it hadn't
<v Speaker 2>hit the ground before it hit me and bounce into me,
<v Speaker 2>it probably would have fractured my leg. On one occasion
<v Speaker 2>during the daytime, just out of the blue or green
<v Speaker 2>pine cone. I'd had several pine cones just prior to that,
<v Speaker 2>and probably a ten minute span prior to that hit
<v Speaker 2>the grounds near me because in pretty deep brush, and
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell what it was, but I got slapped
<v Speaker 2>in the face with a green pine cone that came
<v Speaker 2>flying horizontally out of the woods. It hit me in
<v Speaker 2>the face hard enough to where let me with a
<v Speaker 2>big bruise on my face now beating like a stockhol.
<v Speaker 2>I think when you get too close to especially an
<v Speaker 2>area where they're bedding net or an area where they've
<v Speaker 2>got a honting blind, they'll try to run off various ways.
<v Speaker 2>But just to walk in the woods wanting to see one,
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not gonna happen. Like I said in my
<v Speaker 2>experiences and the course of my life, it wasn't because
<v Speaker 2>I was looking for simply because I was in the
<v Speaker 2>goods and the deep woods looking for the same thing
<v Speaker 2>they were for. And you do that enough times, eventually
<v Speaker 2>two pressures stalking the same phrase has will cross, and
<v Speaker 2>I believe that was I think my first encounter was
<v Speaker 2>just a random encounter. Most of the others past that
<v Speaker 2>were associated with activities I was engaged in, stalking, tracking,
<v Speaker 2>studying James. I think of anything else that I might
<v Speaker 2>could add to that, they're out there and in a
<v Speaker 2>lot of places they're closer than you think. Now. I
<v Speaker 2>think if I had to suggest a way to see one,
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be by going off into the woods looking
<v Speaker 2>for It would be by getting into an area where
<v Speaker 2>you're pretty sure they're at and get close enough to
<v Speaker 2>them and then't get real small, real quiet, and real concealed,
<v Speaker 2>because they will come looking for you if you're real
<v Speaker 2>close to them and they can't see if they can
<v Speaker 2>smell you and hear and that can't see you or
<v Speaker 2>hear you, they'll move around and looking for I've had
<v Speaker 2>that occur multiple times, and that is what created the
<v Speaker 2>situation that allowed me to see them multiple occasions. It
<v Speaker 2>wasn't because I was looking for them. It wasn't because
<v Speaker 2>they were out and open. It's because I was very concealed,
<v Speaker 2>very quiet, and they were moving around trying to find me.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, they're standing still in the in the
<v Speaker 2>cover of foliage by tree and shadows. You I don't
<v Speaker 2>I don't care how observance you are and how hard
<v Speaker 2>you're looking, You're not going to see. They are just
<v Speaker 2>that aware of their surroundings. Of course, most predators senses
<v Speaker 2>are keyed on movement, and humans that we've lost a
<v Speaker 2>lot of our primal instincts were still the same way,
<v Speaker 2>so we detect movement pretty well. You can get them
<v Speaker 2>to move around, you stand a better chance of being
<v Speaker 2>able to see them. That would be my advice to
<v Speaker 2>anybody that's well. I'd have two pieces of advice there,
<v Speaker 2>be careful for what you wish for the first and
<v Speaker 2>second of all, the best chance of finding them is
<v Speaker 2>not by looking for them. It's making them look for you,
<v Speaker 2>which they will do if you're closing up. I'm pretty
<v Speaker 2>well assuming it's for their own security. Is the reason
<v Speaker 2>why they actually want to see where you're at. They
<v Speaker 2>want to have eyes on for whatever reason. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's for their own security. But that's the best way
<v Speaker 2>to quote unquote. I would say use the term find one,
<v Speaker 2>but you're not going to find. Most of the time,
<v Speaker 2>when people have random sightings, it's either because of road crossing,
<v Speaker 2>or because somebody just one of them just slipped up
<v Speaker 2>and people were able to approach them from down wind,
<v Speaker 2>or there's a lot of wind in the trees and
<v Speaker 2>I didn't hear you walking. I think if you encounter
<v Speaker 2>one under random circumstances, it's because they slipped up and
<v Speaker 2>you were just your movements were sealed by other noise,
<v Speaker 2>win et cetera. Uh I mean to me, I don't
<v Speaker 2>have the I guess there's no shock value in these
<v Speaker 2>things for me because I was told about them from
<v Speaker 2>the time I was born. They're just another creature that's
<v Speaker 2>out there. But they are out there, and I probably
<v Speaker 2>in my lifetime won't ever know what they are. I've
<v Speaker 2>asked myself that question a lot of times. But I
<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people think that these things are
<v Speaker 2>I've got one fairly well known researcher near me who
<v Speaker 2>I think see things are the forest people, and they
<v Speaker 2>are benevolent creatures of the forest. Whether these things have
<v Speaker 2>an intentional malice toward humans or law. I've been a
<v Speaker 2>study of wildlife and nature all my life, and these
<v Speaker 2>things are apex predators. You have to understand something. Even
<v Speaker 2>within our own species, as refined and civilized as we
<v Speaker 2>like to think ourselves, there have been many documented incidences
<v Speaker 2>where humans have eaten humans when they get hungry enough.
<v Speaker 2>There's been cases where people have tried to eat their
<v Speaker 2>own arms when they're hungry enough. Even if these creatures
<v Speaker 2>do not specifically have intention to prey upon humans, or
<v Speaker 2>have intentional malice toward humans. You can never I don't
<v Speaker 2>believe you can think that any creature on the of
<v Speaker 2>this planet would not be aggressive toward a human under
<v Speaker 2>certain circumstances. And these creatures want me. Let me put
<v Speaker 2>it this way. If you're in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>woods and one of these creatures besides they want to
<v Speaker 2>jump on you or even dine, you better have some
<v Speaker 2>kind of plan for that, because you cannot outrun these things.
<v Speaker 2>These things have a unique physiology, an incredibly long stride,
<v Speaker 2>are very fluid in motion. I can't tell you one thing.
<v Speaker 2>They can crash through brush that will stop a human being,
<v Speaker 2>like a brick wall. I was always told my child
<v Speaker 2>never go off in the woods without a fire arm,
<v Speaker 2>and I always recommend that to anybody going hiking or camping,
<v Speaker 2>because big food ain't the only thing in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>There are all kinds of predators where I'm at. We
<v Speaker 2>have every variety of rattlesnake. You can imagine two at
<v Speaker 2>least two species of coral snakes, copperhead, it's water moccasins,
<v Speaker 2>the bobcats, where coyotes, some wolves. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>things in the wilderness that could be a potential threat
<v Speaker 2>to a person, regardless of personal opinion or perception of
<v Speaker 2>these creatures, even if you believe that these things are
<v Speaker 2>friendly forest giants that want to be besties with you,
<v Speaker 2>I would suggest that you know your way out of
<v Speaker 2>an area at least if you're going off. First of all,
<v Speaker 2>you're going off into the wilderness, have at least some
<v Speaker 2>wilderness experience or training or understanding, and carry a fire arm.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it could ain't the only thing in
<v Speaker 2>the woods you have to worry about. I can't. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know of anything specifically, Like I said, over the years,
<v Speaker 2>I honestly cannot tell you how many times I've probably
<v Speaker 2>encountered these things. A couple have been pretty good visuals.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen them pretty well. Most of the time, it's
<v Speaker 2>like everybody else, it's a bleeding glimpse. When you see
<v Speaker 2>something moving in the woods, you have to calculate how
<v Speaker 2>tall it is, how it's moving, what it looks like,
<v Speaker 2>and you can kind of eliminate species there when you
<v Speaker 2>see something that's five or six feet tall or taller,
<v Speaker 2>very large and walking upright. I'm sorry, but in my
<v Speaker 2>experience in a lot of woods, and a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the country. The only thing you'll see a barrel on
<v Speaker 2>its hind legs for a little bit. But you're not
<v Speaker 2>going to see something moving through the woods like its
<v Speaker 2>own snow skis standing upright. These things can move, and
<v Speaker 2>they can also move on all fours and move really quietly.
<v Speaker 2>They could probably crawl right up to.
<v Speaker 1>Without you know, did you share all your eesighting encounters
<v Speaker 1>or was it just the one in nineteen seventy two.
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Gah, you're talking about a span of over sixty years.
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's uh yeah, let's talk about them all.
<v Speaker 2>And well, I mean I've seen I've had a couple
<v Speaker 2>of fairly good visuals. One was it stepped out at
<v Speaker 2>a trail behind uh one I was actually well I
<v Speaker 2>think actually it was more than one.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that would be the main focus of the podcast,
<v Speaker 1>so instead of just being like one here, one there,
<v Speaker 1>Like tell me what you were doing that day, Like
<v Speaker 1>the state was it?
<v Speaker 2>I was coming, I was coming out of the woods.
<v Speaker 2>It was uh, now, it wasn't a natural forest, it
<v Speaker 2>was chimber company land.
<v Speaker 1>Was this in Louisiana?
<v Speaker 2>This was in this was in west central Louisiana. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so right now probably I'd say probably ten miles from
<v Speaker 2>the Texas border. Uh. It was north It was north
<v Speaker 2>west of the city of Nacka, but it was south
<v Speaker 2>of uh Pleasant Hill. Anybody from the the area probably
<v Speaker 2>nowhere that that's Thereas that I'd been back several miles
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, uh, hunting on a gas pipeline. I
<v Speaker 2>was coming up an old it was. It was it
<v Speaker 2>was just basically a trail over grown. It was an
<v Speaker 2>old either an old walgging road or maybe a road
<v Speaker 2>that was used here in the pipeline construction or something,
<v Speaker 2>but it had been abandoned for decades and decades and
<v Speaker 2>pretty much grown over. But Uh, I heard something as
<v Speaker 2>I was walking out, and this was this was in
<v Speaker 2>the afternoon, but it was it was still plenty light. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I was coming out of the woods actually, and something
<v Speaker 2>like to me go in the opposite direction. It's a
<v Speaker 2>by the sound of it, made ten twenty yards over
<v Speaker 2>in the woods off the trail. Sounded like either large
<v Speaker 2>hog or cow or something that was moving pretty fast.
<v Speaker 2>And after it stopped, it stops probably twenty to thirty
<v Speaker 2>feet behind me. And when it stopped, I stopped and
<v Speaker 2>slinging sprang out of the woods in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>the trail, looked at me and screamed at me. These
<v Speaker 2>things must have a massive mon capacity, because HM, that vocalization.
<v Speaker 2>I think I felt it more than I heard it.
<v Speaker 2>MHM vibrated everything in my body. But I was standing there.
<v Speaker 2>And now one thing you never do, you never run
<v Speaker 2>from a pred It was startling, and I knew what
<v Speaker 2>it was when I saw it. I didn't move. I
<v Speaker 2>stood there. Of course, I had an m one garand
<v Speaker 2>in my hand at eight rounds are all six. And
<v Speaker 2>so it stood there for a second, and I guess
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't turn and run, it turned and bounced
<v Speaker 2>off the other side of the trail down into a
<v Speaker 2>hardwood bottom. And I waited a few seconds, turned around
<v Speaker 2>and hurried my way on up out of those woods.
<v Speaker 2>Uh I saw. I believe it was more than one,
<v Speaker 2>but I was looking across. I was up on upon
<v Speaker 2>a hill and this was and this was probably and
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't before. This was in the Manni Zoo olly area.
<v Speaker 2>I was on a pipeline right of way, on the
<v Speaker 2>opposite side of one up on the top of a
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say a hill, but a high area where
<v Speaker 2>the pipeline dropped down waves had a little small little
<v Speaker 2>creak or runoff going across the bottom this big, very patch.
<v Speaker 2>I know there was because I'd been up and down
<v Speaker 2>the pipeline. I know in that area there was a
<v Speaker 2>lot of berry bands and stuff, and I could see.
<v Speaker 2>I can't say for sure, but I think this was
<v Speaker 2>more than one of them because the visuals I had
<v Speaker 2>in my habit these two creatures. They were on the oppside.
<v Speaker 2>They were about I was in tree line m hm,
<v Speaker 2>down wind of them, in a cedars digt and they
<v Speaker 2>were on the opposite side, kind of at the bottom
<v Speaker 2>of the draw and over a span of several minutes. UH.
<v Speaker 2>That pretty good glimpse of them as they through the
<v Speaker 2>vegetation right there at the edge of the uh pipeline
<v Speaker 2>right away most most, like I said, most of the
<v Speaker 2>other accounters, they're just bleeding glimpses are something you hear.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen eye shine, I guess you would call it
<v Speaker 2>out of the woods from the light of campfires and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>and heard things that I knew was something very large.
<v Speaker 2>And if you hunt and track enough, you pretty much
<v Speaker 2>can tell that you're you know, you know what, ie
<v Speaker 2>pedal footsteps sound like is compared to you, you can
<v Speaker 2>recognize the difference. He's talking about a lot of a
<v Speaker 2>lot of different experiences over I mean, I started going
<v Speaker 2>into the woods by myself in the late nineteen sixties.
<v Speaker 2>That was my passion, fishing, hunting, and camping. I've never
<v Speaker 2>been a sports junkie and never watched a lot of baseball,
<v Speaker 2>football or anything like that. Any my leisure time, I
<v Speaker 2>wanted to spend in the woods, either hunting, tracking, camping
<v Speaker 2>on the side of some river value, or lake fishing. Mhm.
<v Speaker 2>I've seen, I s I've seen enough of these things
<v Speaker 2>to know that what I am seeing is not something else.
<v Speaker 2>By simple process of elimination, even even your fleeting glimpses,
<v Speaker 2>by process of elimination, you could you you know that
<v Speaker 2>you're not looking at any other known type of wildlife,
<v Speaker 2>at least not on this common anymore. Uh. I know
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people experiences are mm hmm traumatic and disturbing,
<v Speaker 2>and even life often m hm. But I guess when
<v Speaker 2>you've seen all men or predators in your lifetime, and
<v Speaker 2>you've grown up being told that something like this existed,
<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't fairy tale, wasn't met their legend the
<v Speaker 2>wild man's out there. It's like deer, hogs, squirrels, rabbits,
<v Speaker 2>anything else. It's something that lives back there in those
<v Speaker 2>river bottles. That was the perception I had growing up. Parents, grandparents,
<v Speaker 2>and aunts, uncles, cousins, are numerous family members talk about them,
<v Speaker 2>tell me they were out there, talk about times they'd
<v Speaker 2>seen them, et cetera, et cetera. At an early age.
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen seventy two, I realized that after my first
<v Speaker 2>encounter of these things, that's wild man wasn't something that
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a fair of human like Tarzan, it was something else.
<v Speaker 2>Being young and the only having been to the zoo
<v Speaker 2>and stuff and knew knew what monkeys and guerrillas look like.
<v Speaker 2>When when I first saw these things, and like I said,
<v Speaker 2>it was from a distance, you know, when you're smaller,
<v Speaker 2>things seen a lot bigger than distances, sing a lot
<v Speaker 2>lot further, but uh, probably one hundred yards and a
<v Speaker 2>little more like a little less. But it was good
<v Speaker 2>enough to tell I was looking at something that looked
<v Speaker 2>like a month, a big month. Uh. That's what my
<v Speaker 2>my young brain associated what I was seeing as some
<v Speaker 2>type of primary And then I learned soon after that,
<v Speaker 2>after a good schooling that that was not a monkey
<v Speaker 2>and there were no monkeys and losing. Have I ever
<v Speaker 2>felt alarmed or scared during some of these experiences. There
<v Speaker 2>have been times that this usually at night when I'm
<v Speaker 2>actually can't and I've encountered I had experiences which I
<v Speaker 2>either knew or was pretty sure it was related to
<v Speaker 2>the thing. Yeah, there have been some time outside of
<v Speaker 2>having some things thrown at me, I can't say that
<v Speaker 2>these things I felt directly threatened by these creatures. But again,
<v Speaker 2>I know enough about wild lie and about predators to
<v Speaker 2>know that you that these are wild creatures, and you
<v Speaker 2>can't just automatically assume that these things will not hurt you,
<v Speaker 2>because I believe that given the opportunity, in the right circumstance,
<v Speaker 2>they will. Then one thing about it where I different
<v Speaker 2>from a lot of people I know who enjoy the willingness.
<v Speaker 2>I never go in the woods without a firearm. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know where else to go or what to talk about.
<v Speaker 2>Is do you have any questions or anything?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just think it's really interesting that your mother
<v Speaker 1>called them wild people and they're not just a monkey
<v Speaker 1>in the woods, And I would agree it sounds like
<v Speaker 1>they already knew about them and they've had run ins
<v Speaker 1>with them in the past, or no people who have,
<v Speaker 1>and that's terrifying. I know the area that you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>There's been a lot of reports there that I've heard about,
<v Speaker 1>and especially on the channel, And I've even had a
<v Speaker 1>gentleman who served a what's it called Fort Polk and
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about entities and sasquatch and he showed
<v Speaker 1>me his credentials and I don't know what he described.
<v Speaker 1>Was kind of terrifying, And it seems like the government
<v Speaker 1>and the military know about these things. Obviously not everyone,
<v Speaker 1>but there are individuals that are very aware of them.
<v Speaker 2>Well knowing this much about the military, anything that goes
<v Speaker 2>on in or near a base, the government makes it
<v Speaker 2>their business. Multiple agencies within the government makes it their business.
<v Speaker 2>And especially a facility like Barksdale Air Force Base in
<v Speaker 2>northwest Louisiana that is home of the United States Air
<v Speaker 2>Force Global Strike Command and we're a large contingent of
<v Speaker 2>our BP, two neut Obamas are based. There's been a
<v Speaker 2>lot of activity and I've actually heard one incident told
<v Speaker 2>about on social media, UH with a gentleman that were
<v Speaker 2>stationed at Parks Over and I do know of other
<v Speaker 2>instances that have happened there. There is a large wildlife
<v Speaker 2>management area surrounding that base. Uh goes off into the
<v Speaker 2>podcall Ah area, this today area, And like I said,
<v Speaker 2>it's on the it's on the eastern bank of the
<v Speaker 2>Red River. Red River is a tributaria flows. It flows
<v Speaker 2>along the Texas Oklahoma border around tex Kunta area. The
<v Speaker 2>Sofa River basin drains into it. A lot of your tributaries,
<v Speaker 2>I mean the area of the the Boggy Creek area,
<v Speaker 2>Sofa River basing around fal arkinsall, for example. Things it blows,
<v Speaker 2>it blows down basically the western side of Louisiana, so
<v Speaker 2>it gets about to the central forward the central part
<v Speaker 2>of the state, and it starts peering off towards the
<v Speaker 2>Mississippi and the chapel I Base. Uh. Yeah, there there
<v Speaker 2>have been too many incidences around government installations for the
<v Speaker 2>government not to know about.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>There are very few things in life that I would
<v Speaker 2>say or a certainty, but giving what I know about
<v Speaker 2>the government and especially security around them military installations, yeah
<v Speaker 2>they know about. Uh. Maybe in this new under the
<v Speaker 2>Chin administration, under this new error of a disclosure. Maybe
<v Speaker 2>we'll find out more about it. I don't know, but
<v Speaker 2>I do understand why people have the traumatic experiences they
<v Speaker 2>have because I can imagine if I the first encounter
<v Speaker 2>I had was not scared to me because I was
<v Speaker 2>a child. I literally thought I found some big monkeys.
<v Speaker 2>But in later years now I had some encounters sightings
<v Speaker 2>of these things that if I had no previous knowledge
<v Speaker 2>of them, would have scared the hell out of me.
<v Speaker 2>If I ran across what I've seen in the woods
<v Speaker 2>and did not have some idea that these things existed,
<v Speaker 2>that would be a very frightening traumatic experience. And I
<v Speaker 2>can understand why a lot of people experience perhaps post
<v Speaker 2>traumatic stress disorder or whatever from from their encounters and
<v Speaker 2>why they are so uh these things are out there.
<v Speaker 2>I've always been the person the person. I don't care
<v Speaker 2>whether you believe they or not. That doesn't make any
<v Speaker 2>difference to me. Ah. I remember, really my reputation uh
<v Speaker 2>H professional land as far as outdoors and them, it's
<v Speaker 2>pretty well known. But uh, I think the reason that
<v Speaker 2>that I'm speaking to you about this today, it's just
<v Speaker 2>because I've become more and more conscious conscious lately, of
<v Speaker 2>a conscious la given given the expansion human expansion into
<v Speaker 2>the wilderness, these things are close than most people think.
<v Speaker 2>And you don't have to go on an expedition in
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the forest to find these things. As
<v Speaker 2>long as you have some habitat and enough game and water,
<v Speaker 2>you know there's a good chance that you do have
<v Speaker 2>these things wear you. I think there's way more of
<v Speaker 2>them than people think they are. I mean I number
<v Speaker 2>of times that I have had some sort of encounter,
<v Speaker 2>if you use that word, Most of most of my
<v Speaker 2>encounters with these creatures. Had I not had knowledge that
<v Speaker 2>these things are out there and they're behavior in physical structure,
<v Speaker 2>most of them, I would say, would be just something
<v Speaker 2>I saw move in the woods. But being an outdoorsman
<v Speaker 2>and honor, I know that there's nothing walking around on
<v Speaker 2>two legs in the woods, and nothing walking around in
<v Speaker 2>the woods that big. If I don't see just a
<v Speaker 2>flash of the back or head shoulders of one of
<v Speaker 2>these things, by how large it is and the physics
<v Speaker 2>of its movement, it kind of narrows down the possibilities
<v Speaker 2>of what it is. I just saw. Mhm. And like
<v Speaker 2>I said, I think a lot. I think I think
<v Speaker 2>more people see these things than are actually than they're
<v Speaker 2>actually aware, or they seen these things that are not
<v Speaker 2>actually aware that's what they saw. They just saw something
<v Speaker 2>most people are not are not used to going in
<v Speaker 2>the woods for the specific purpose of stalking and track
<v Speaker 2>tracking games. You learn to recognize sign and you've become
<v Speaker 2>aware of sounds you hear and what they're related to,
<v Speaker 2>or something you may see moving in the brush what
<v Speaker 2>it most likely is just out of experience. But when
<v Speaker 2>you see a creature that large, moving that fluid me
<v Speaker 2>and most importantly engaged in bipedal locomotion in this part
<v Speaker 2>of the world, that kind of eliminates possibilities real quick.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, bear will get up on their hind legs,
<v Speaker 2>and they will if you can use the term walk
<v Speaker 2>for short distances. They have never seen one run off
<v Speaker 2>and run from two beggs breaking brush. I've never seen
<v Speaker 2>in this part of the world. I've never seen the
<v Speaker 2>bear stand up that tall either. This is a pretty
<v Speaker 2>active area for years, probably for fifty years, I refer to.
<v Speaker 2>There's a quarter like the Ozark Mountains southern Missouri down
<v Speaker 2>into the like Kaimichi River Valley foothills and the Washitaw Mountains, Oklahoma,
<v Speaker 2>Arkansas and Arkansas, Louisiana and Arkansas, Texas and Texas Louisiana
<v Speaker 2>borders all the way down to the Gulf Coast. This
<v Speaker 2>is a very just that area and comp this is
<v Speaker 2>a vast amount of dense wilderness. More importantly, multiple watersheds, reservoirs, creeks, rivers, streams, values.
<v Speaker 2>All games stay close to two things, predominantly three things.
<v Speaker 2>Actually they're going to stay close to their habitat, but
<v Speaker 2>they're going to also stay close to their food source
<v Speaker 2>and to water. And in that strip from southern Missouri
<v Speaker 2>down the Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana Texas borders, it is resource
<v Speaker 2>rich for all forms of wildlife. The state model of
<v Speaker 2>Louisiana used to be a speed the sportsmen's paradise, and
<v Speaker 2>that it is. I've been all over, but I've always
<v Speaker 2>came back to Louisiana because of my love for the outdoors.
<v Speaker 2>But that area that I described, that corridor you will
<v Speaker 2>from southern Missouri down the Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana Texas
<v Speaker 2>borders from the Ozarks. So basically Sam Houston, the big
<v Speaker 2>ticket area. I refer to that area for the the
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, probably fifty years or more. I'll just
<v Speaker 2>called that wild Man Alley because it's it's just a
<v Speaker 2>perfect environment for for not only these things, but for
<v Speaker 2>all manner of wildlife. And the interesting part about it is, uh, nowadays,
<v Speaker 2>because of urban and suburban expansion and you have subdivisions
<v Speaker 2>that are just adjacent to wilderness, that it's perfect habitat
<v Speaker 2>for all manner of creatures. And in a lot of
<v Speaker 2>areas in this part of the world now it's not
<v Speaker 2>common to see hoggs, deer, raccoons, possums, and everything else
<v Speaker 2>in suburban neighborhoods, especially at night. This is a resource
<v Speaker 2>rich area for all manner of wildlife. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, So. You mentioned too in the emails about the
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it's called, the gc b R.
<v Speaker 1>Did you want to talk about that on the podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the one of the big organizations I
<v Speaker 2>guess in this area. It's an organization owns a Gulf
<v Speaker 2>Coast Bigfoot Research organization. Uh. They were the subject matter
<v Speaker 2>and focus of it was some cable network's reality show
<v Speaker 2>back in the early two thousands. I remember when they
<v Speaker 2>were running around with them called Killing big Foot. Uh.
<v Speaker 2>This this area is where a whole lot of them
<v Speaker 2>lived in a lot of a lot of their operations
<v Speaker 2>I guess you would say have been based in the
<v Speaker 2>areas that I've described now in the Texas Louisiana border.
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was back in two thousand and two.
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was in February. They claimed to shot
<v Speaker 2>and wounded one probably not more than fifteen or twenty
<v Speaker 2>miles from where I'm setting at right now. But I
<v Speaker 2>know I've had encounters in the same area, and I
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people who have. A person that
<v Speaker 2>I've heard heard talk about a lot on me Internet
<v Speaker 2>was a guy that lived down down one seventy one
<v Speaker 2>from me named Mike Woolly. He had encounter. Actually his
<v Speaker 2>encounter took place down closer to the woods. For my
<v Speaker 2>family was from my mother's family is from long Standing River.
<v Speaker 2>His encounter happened now close to zoo Olives, I think
<v Speaker 2>back in the eighties, which that's one of the people.
<v Speaker 2>I think his encounter was was seriously traumatic for him.
<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of documented activities in this area.
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, this is only I mean, it's further
<v Speaker 2>than that. If you I mean the highway that would
<v Speaker 2>take you to the area that I live in. You
<v Speaker 2>would have to go down Highway seventy one from Texas,
<v Speaker 2>Cana through balk Arkansas into North Louisiana, and right as
<v Speaker 2>you get to Streetport Louisiana proper, you head south down
<v Speaker 2>Highway one second. But I'd say, as the crow Li
<v Speaker 2>lies where I'm it's somewhere between sixty five and maybe
<v Speaker 2>sixty five miles south of South Arkansas. What occurred in
<v Speaker 2>South Arkansas that really made I guess made well, what
<v Speaker 2>made thout what it is today was simply a movie
<v Speaker 2>that's made there before the movie was ever made. Because
<v Speaker 2>of the area that I live in, it's not that
<v Speaker 2>far away. The incident that happened to the family that
<v Speaker 2>lived there off of seventy one by foul that actually
<v Speaker 2>made the local news, television, news, in the newspapers at
<v Speaker 2>the time. I remember when that actually happened the early
<v Speaker 2>early nineteen seventies as well. But that kind of thing
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't the first time that had happened. That's just
<v Speaker 2>something that I think because the Miller County sheriffs got
<v Speaker 2>involved in it, I think because it made the media,
<v Speaker 2>and by that time news and newspapers were uh, pretty
<v Speaker 2>pretty commonplace, so it gained a lot more attention than
<v Speaker 2>what it normally but uh, I was reported by UH
<v Speaker 2>in my area local UH we've been k K A
<v Speaker 2>l UH television networks based out of Texas, Cana and
<v Speaker 2>UH A couple of the local Shreeport area television stations.
<v Speaker 2>The news departments reported on it, and I know I've
<v Speaker 2>seen it written about I think in UH Threepot Times
<v Speaker 2>and Threeport Journal as well. During that at the time,
<v Speaker 2>right after that occurred, law before the legend of Body
<v Speaker 2>Creek was every but I think that you know, there
<v Speaker 2>was a time in the long this area there there
<v Speaker 2>were lots of families that lived in the woods and
<v Speaker 2>and they've been in those woods for generations. Like my
<v Speaker 2>mother's family, my mother's generation of her family was the
<v Speaker 2>first generation, I think to start to venture out of
<v Speaker 2>that area. Uh. My mother, my grandfather had had broken
<v Speaker 2>his back at one time, and my mother was a
<v Speaker 2>large family, and my mother left home probably fourteen years
<v Speaker 2>old to go to work to help support the family.
<v Speaker 2>You know, she entered out of the woods into the
<v Speaker 2>nearby cities to work, and a lot of the males
<v Speaker 2>and the family and her age they spread out into
<v Speaker 2>the all patch in Texas. A lot of them into death,
<v Speaker 2>actually living and moving to West Texas into New Mexico
<v Speaker 2>because I had jobs and careers based in the Aufield Street.
<v Speaker 2>But prior to that, those people were born, lived, worked,
<v Speaker 2>and died in the woods, and a lot of things
<v Speaker 2>were just common knowledge to people back then that actually
<v Speaker 2>lived in the woods. It's one thing to go visit
<v Speaker 2>the woods, but it's hard for most people, especially urban
<v Speaker 2>and suburban dwellers, to imagine what it would be like
<v Speaker 2>to live miles and miles and miles back in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>My grandparents' home when I was growing up, they were
<v Speaker 2>so far back in the woods they didn't even have
<v Speaker 2>electricity at night, there was just cherseen Atlantash. My family
<v Speaker 2>lived in sawmill board ten ruth houses. At our houses
<v Speaker 2>well systems, and would would lead out of the woods
<v Speaker 2>only to go to the doctor to go handle some business,
<v Speaker 2>or maybe once or twice a month to go up
<v Speaker 2>to the general store and pay the bill or get
<v Speaker 2>some things, or go into town or bills and supplies
<v Speaker 2>or materials or whatever. Most of them, most of them
<v Speaker 2>made their living off of logging, m souls logs for corkwood,
<v Speaker 2>tepe poles, U. Some of them had small sawmills, cut
<v Speaker 2>lumber on domand and for area residency, and cut logs
<v Speaker 2>for cross tithes, et cetera. But they spent their lives
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. I talked to a lot of people.
<v Speaker 2>They were amazed because I actually had my own firearm
<v Speaker 2>at six or seven years old. That's just the way
<v Speaker 2>it was. And a lot of times for my mother's family,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, wasn't a form of recreation that was necessity,
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of times most of your meat came
<v Speaker 2>from me. I grew up on friede squirrels, rabbits, deer roasts,
<v Speaker 2>dear chili, dear saucy grown to your knees. H That
<v Speaker 2>was a large part of those people's eyes. It wasn't
<v Speaker 2>something they just did for recreation. You took hunting very
<v Speaker 2>seriously and you tried to be as skillful as you
<v Speaker 2>could at it, because a lot of your groceries came
<v Speaker 2>from that. And then there were those that trapped for
<v Speaker 2>hides and stuff like that. Else some of the family
<v Speaker 2>fish for a living. It's just a different time, Miguel,
<v Speaker 2>than it was the times that I see now have
<v Speaker 2>have since the dawn of this century. I've seen kind
<v Speaker 2>of aliens to what I grew up in.
<v Speaker 1>What other experiences would you like to share or have
<v Speaker 1>you pretty much covered.
<v Speaker 2>Everything, Miguel, Honestly, there are things that I'm sure there's
<v Speaker 2>lots of things I don't even recall because of how
<v Speaker 2>long ago they were and the amount of some difference
<v Speaker 2>and help on them. I mean, there are people I've
<v Speaker 2>seen I've seen lights in the woods. Everybody I know
<v Speaker 2>it's seemed lights in the woods, for example. I hear
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people talking about that. Some of these things,
<v Speaker 2>like I say, are naturally occurring, phenomenal things, I mean
<v Speaker 2>called by a lot of names, uh, fox, fire, swamp gas,
<v Speaker 2>various other things. They're illuminescent gas is caused by ioty
<v Speaker 2>grading material grounds nehane gas become sposigescent or actually combuss
<v Speaker 2>in certain aspects. And there are some things that I've seen,
<v Speaker 2>some things that I simply don't have an explanation for
<v Speaker 2>lightning with everybody on that. There is an area north
<v Speaker 2>of me, south of Treeport, Losing, when I was a teenager,
<v Speaker 2>there was I guess it's an urban legends sort of
<v Speaker 2>thing about a light that you would see along some
<v Speaker 2>railroad tracks in the woods in that area, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>just hang out there two intersections and in a roadway.
<v Speaker 2>They are looking for these things. I think on occasion.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I can't swear to it that I did
<v Speaker 2>see some illumination back in that huge along as railroad tracks,
<v Speaker 2>but this was something that many, many people had observed
<v Speaker 2>when it was I had no idea. I have seen lights,
<v Speaker 2>unexplained lights that I could not identify as aircraft in
<v Speaker 2>the sky, and I think I mean family experiences. Family
<v Speaker 2>members had seen things, but nothing could. I cannot say
<v Speaker 2>that anything that I've seen in the sky night or
<v Speaker 2>day that I could not identify was a quote unquote
<v Speaker 2>UFO or some kind of alien craft because I did
<v Speaker 2>not have enough visual detail of it to be able
<v Speaker 2>to say that this was some sort of craft. And
<v Speaker 2>it could have been weather balloons, could be high flying flocky.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just looked like strange lights in
<v Speaker 2>the sky. There's a lot of phenomena that we can't
<v Speaker 2>explain that it's out there. Because you experience multiple phenomena
<v Speaker 2>in the same area does not necessarily mean that this
<v Speaker 2>phenomena is all related. Doesn't disclude the possibility either, but
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't mean that it's directly associated my mother. Anytime
<v Speaker 2>I would I would experience something that I couldn't readily explain.
<v Speaker 2>My mother always had one saint You look at me
<v Speaker 2>and said, son, I'll tell you what. There are more
<v Speaker 2>things in this world than heaven and Earth. So there's
<v Speaker 2>there are anomalies out there, there are things that exist
<v Speaker 2>in nature that I'm a fairly well educated person in
<v Speaker 2>multiple fields. I've been a professional most of my life.
<v Speaker 2>I've worked salary management for multiple fortune five hundred companies.
<v Speaker 2>But I've seen a lot of things that I can't explain.
<v Speaker 2>I have no explanation and a lot of things. I'm
<v Speaker 2>the kind of person I try to reason out most everything,
<v Speaker 2>but I've observed things that I cannot come up with
<v Speaker 2>any rational explanation or even hypothesis far. So, yeah, there
<v Speaker 2>are things out there, weird things that happen. And anybody
<v Speaker 2>who knows anything about the state in which I live in,
<v Speaker 2>especially the southern part of the state, where you have
<v Speaker 2>centuries old tales of creatures like the boogaroo and rugaroo,
<v Speaker 2>which from what I gather with basically be like that,
<v Speaker 2>and werewolf type creatures that have existed for centuries down there. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>when I was young and doing some uh seismic work
<v Speaker 2>down in that part of the state. I've encountered been
<v Speaker 2>in little general stores out in the middle of the
<v Speaker 2>swamps that actually sold boxes of silver bullets and thirty
<v Speaker 2>eight special, forty five cold, forty five ACP and thirty
<v Speaker 2>thirty and thirty odd to six. I mean they actually
<v Speaker 2>sold cast silver bullets, and people in those areas actually
<v Speaker 2>bought them because of those superstitions. Yeah, there are there,
<v Speaker 2>there's there's there's lots of weirdness out there that nobody
<v Speaker 2>can really explain. You just have to be careful when
<v Speaker 2>you observe this phenomena. Don't automatically group it all together
<v Speaker 2>as one common phenomena. Don't disclude the possibility, but don't
<v Speaker 2>automatically assume because you see this all in the same
<v Speaker 2>time and space that is related. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you can't solve one mystery with another. But at
<v Speaker 1>the same time, it is happening in the same place,
<v Speaker 1>so I don't think that's a coincidence either, So that's
<v Speaker 1>hard to say.
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing about it is, Miguel, we don't fully
<v Speaker 2>understand the world that we live in. We've made great
<v Speaker 2>technological advent, especially for whatever reason, in the last couple
<v Speaker 2>of centuries. We don't even really understand what we know.
<v Speaker 2>We are living in breathing creatures, but we also know
<v Speaker 2>that there's some in else about us. Religious beliefs aside,
<v Speaker 2>it's safe to say that most everybody perceives that there
<v Speaker 2>is something else about their existence besides the body that
<v Speaker 2>it's inhabited. We perceive that we as individuals have some
<v Speaker 2>sort of spirit, that there's some other force that play here.
<v Speaker 2>Besides just a biological organism exists. There is spiritual presence
<v Speaker 2>force all things, All things around are from one way
<v Speaker 2>or another related energy. Every time you lift a finger,
<v Speaker 2>you move the muscle, have a thought, your heart beat,
<v Speaker 2>your lungs expand and contract, your digestive system functions. It's
<v Speaker 2>a result of electrical impulses. It's not just something that's happening.
<v Speaker 2>There is electrical energy being created in your brain that
<v Speaker 2>is traveling down narrow pathways too much so and making
<v Speaker 2>your body does do what it does. So we know
<v Speaker 2>at very least there's bioelectrical activity occurring in all living species. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's hard.
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to discount the fact that that activity in
<v Speaker 2>itself is being charged or spurned, are excited by other
<v Speaker 2>energy forces outside of our bodies, and that's when you
<v Speaker 2>can start to incorporate spirituality into that. But there are
<v Speaker 2>far more things about this world than even our own
<v Speaker 2>existence than we understand.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I completely agree with you. And yeah, Lynn,
<v Speaker 1>I think that pretty well covers your experiences and encounters.
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like we could have did more of
<v Speaker 1>a deep dive on it, but it's all right, and
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of running out of time today, so yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate you for taking the time to talk
<v Speaker 1>about the experiences that you had in the past and
<v Speaker 1>all the information you had regarding these creatures and kind
<v Speaker 1>of what you think is going on out there.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll say this, they're out there, and if you're
<v Speaker 2>in the right area and flowing the right techniques, you
<v Speaker 2>have a good chance of being able to have some
<v Speaker 2>kind of encounter with it. But your best bet is
<v Speaker 2>not by looking, damn, it's by positioning yourself in an
<v Speaker 2>area where they driven compelled or inclined to look and
<v Speaker 2>try to locate you. Because what you are going to
<v Speaker 2>have the best chance of observing his motion. These things
<v Speaker 2>are masters at camouflage and concealment, and your best chance
<v Speaker 2>to see them is if they are in motion. That's
<v Speaker 2>about all I can I can tell you about that, Gail.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I completely agree with you, and these things are
<v Speaker 1>very stealthy and it's best to just position yourself in
<v Speaker 1>an area where they will approach you.
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, Lynn, I'll keep in contact with you and
<v Speaker 1>we can keep talking about the experiences that you've had
<v Speaker 1>and more about the information that you know that you
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk about on the podcast. But yeah, for today, Yeah, I.
<v Speaker 2>Mean, there's there you have to understand, and I do
<v Speaker 2>apologize with Gil, but I'm a I've been in an
<v Speaker 2>area for decades now where there's a whole lot of
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote researchers and I am not one of those.
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, I stay clear of this
<v Speaker 2>gendre for a long time for that specific reason. You're
<v Speaker 2>actually the first person that I've spoken in much detail
<v Speaker 2>about this too, and it's simply because and seeing your videos,
<v Speaker 2>You're not out there for the drama or the abuse.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a really good judge of character, and I see
<v Speaker 2>somebody that is genuinely looking for personal answers. That's why
<v Speaker 2>I felt compelled to reach out to you and just
<v Speaker 2>share to do you what I do know, which is
<v Speaker 2>not a hell of a lot. And like I said,
<v Speaker 2>anybody who knows a whole lot about these creatures will
<v Speaker 2>know what they are. I can promise you. They work
<v Speaker 2>for the government. But you seem very genuine in your quest,
<v Speaker 2>and you seem to be motivated by personal interest or
<v Speaker 2>personal curiosity, and I reached out to you based on
<v Speaker 2>that and just trying to offer what I had and
<v Speaker 2>knowledge I had, and hoping and hopes of helping you
<v Speaker 2>with your pursuit. I'm open to I'm open to anything,
<v Speaker 2>but I will only say or believe what I've actually
<v Speaker 2>observed and have some basis. Far you understand, it's not
<v Speaker 2>that I discount the possibility of anybody. I can only
<v Speaker 2>base my opinion on what data I actually I have
<v Speaker 2>or serve. But anything is possible.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the best thing to keep in mind, is
<v Speaker 1>that anything as possible. And there's a lot of wild
<v Speaker 1>stories out there, but you just have to keep them
<v Speaker 1>in the back of your mind because it very well could.
<v Speaker 2>Happen to you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, life is an adventure.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, all right, Lenn Well I'm gonna let you
<v Speaker 1>go for now, and I want to say thank you
<v Speaker 1>for sharing your information. And it certainly helps, and I'll
<v Speaker 1>keep it in my mind when I'm out there in
<v Speaker 1>the woods just researching whatever I can and just spending
<v Speaker 1>time out there as an outdoorsman.
<v Speaker 2>Well, just enjoy yourself and take a calls. Just be
<v Speaker 2>careful and remember this, there's more things than big put
<v Speaker 2>no woods to worry about. M Yeah, be prepared for
<v Speaker 2>what whatever situation arises. That there's nothing better. The best
<v Speaker 2>feeling there is is being in the woods of nature. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>it gives you a connection to the world that you
<v Speaker 2>live in. Yeah, alrighty, Miguel. Well, I appreciate time, and
<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed the conversation. Thank you, sir, and I wish
<v Speaker 2>you well and you're lasting in your endeavors and stay
<v Speaker 2>in touch. Absolutely conversation my friend.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too, and we'll talk more in the future. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Lynn's encounters aren't stories passed around a campfire. Their experiences
<v Speaker 1>rooted in decades of time spent in the woods. From
<v Speaker 1>being watched in the shadows to feeling a screen vibrate
<v Speaker 1>through his body. It leaves you wondering what's really out
<v Speaker 1>there in those swamps. Lynn did explain he's only had
<v Speaker 1>quick glimpses of these creatures, but I do wish he
<v Speaker 1>would have been more detailed. And that's what I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>for with these podcasts. The time, the date, the weather,
<v Speaker 1>the color of the creature, the height, what it did,
<v Speaker 1>if there was a smell, and anything else associated with
<v Speaker 1>the report. And yeah, yeah, I mean, essentially, I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>for the report to be logged down. All that information
<v Speaker 1>is important, and I don't mind getting into theories of
<v Speaker 1>what I think they are, why science doesn't acknowledge it,
<v Speaker 1>the government, and religious scripture, which I do. I do
<v Speaker 1>that myself. I will quote scripture and talk about like
<v Speaker 1>the Nephilon, there were giants in those days, the beasts
<v Speaker 1>of the field. And it's okay to make a quick
<v Speaker 1>mention of what we think it is, whether it's like
<v Speaker 1>swamp gas, foxfire, but I don't want to get into
<v Speaker 1>a long drawn out conversation about the government, science or religion.
<v Speaker 1>And I really do want to focus on the report
<v Speaker 1>in the future. Like I said, the weather, the time
<v Speaker 1>of year, the time of day, your feelings in the moment,
<v Speaker 1>what it looked like, how tall, was it the color
<v Speaker 1>of the creature, where its eyes round or i'm in shaped?
<v Speaker 1>Were they black or they white? Did it have a
<v Speaker 1>conical shaped head? All those details are important because it
<v Speaker 1>builds a database for the report. But Lin didn't do
<v Speaker 1>anything wrong. That's my fault, and I'm kind of beating
<v Speaker 1>myself up for not focusing more on just the encounters,
<v Speaker 1>just the experiences, and everything else is just a side note.
<v Speaker 1>But I felt like we focus more on the side
<v Speaker 1>notes rather than the report itself, So I take full
<v Speaker 1>blame on that. And yeah, it was definitely a long podcast,
<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately, it took a long time to edit this video.
<v Speaker 1>We talked for over an hour before we even started
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, and it was almost three or four hours
<v Speaker 1>to edit this video. Or it was a three or
<v Speaker 1>four hour long audio recording, and it took many hours
<v Speaker 1>to edit the video. So next time in the future,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do a better job at focusing on
<v Speaker 1>the report and keeping the caller on track as far
<v Speaker 1>as their experiences and the details. We want to stick
<v Speaker 1>to the facts and everything else is something that we
<v Speaker 1>will talk about in the end, as far as what
<v Speaker 1>we think they are in science, religion, the government, etc.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I appreciate everyone for listening and until the
<v Speaker 1>next one, you guys be safe out in the forest.