Octopussy (1983) vs. Never Say Never Again (1983)

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast,
<v Speaker 1>Part two of the James Bond Never Say Never Again
<v Speaker 1>versus Octopusy Podcasts. Jason, are you ready to jump back in?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, man, let's go through the checklist really quick, all right,
<v Speaker 2>Walter pbka, silenced check, licensed to kill, check, bazooka, pin check,
<v Speaker 2>jetpack check, weird faberge egg check, and octopus tattoo that
<v Speaker 2>nobody else can see but me. Ready to go? All right?
<v Speaker 3>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you Can't Be
<v Speaker 3>Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten
<v Speaker 3>of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts
<v Speaker 3>James d Raids and Jason Kolibay.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back everybody to the Surely you Can't Be Serious Podcast? Okay, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>Just because kind of all of the James Bond movies
<v Speaker 1>kind of meld together in my brain, I think we
<v Speaker 1>should go over a brief plot outline for each of
<v Speaker 1>these oversimplified as we can get. Okay, So I'll go first.
<v Speaker 1>We'll do Octopusy. This is straight out of IMDb. When
<v Speaker 1>Agent Double oh nine turns up dead at the British
<v Speaker 1>embassy in East Berlin holding a Russian Faberge egg. Double
<v Speaker 1>O seven is called to investigate. He soon finds out
<v Speaker 1>that the egg is being sought by a collector named
<v Speaker 1>Kamal Khan, who is in league with a psychopathic Soviet
<v Speaker 1>general or Lav, who is hell bent on Soviet domination
<v Speaker 1>despite reprimands from his superiors. Orlov's plan involves smuggling an
<v Speaker 1>atomic bomb into the US Air Force base in West
<v Speaker 1>Germany in the hopes of crippling the country and leaving
<v Speaker 1>it an easy target for Soviet conquest. Bond's investigation of
<v Speaker 1>Khn leads him to India, where he meets a mysterious
<v Speaker 1>woman named Octopussy who is connected to Khan. The bomb
<v Speaker 1>is smuggled the board a circus train, and one of
<v Speaker 1>the men helping Kamal and Orlov is the man responsible
<v Speaker 1>for killing Double O nine. Bond must race against time
<v Speaker 1>to stop the bomb from exploding and killing thousands, and
<v Speaker 1>then running down Kamal Khan before he escapes.
<v Speaker 2>Octabusy. Okay, all right, so I'm going to give you
<v Speaker 2>the plot outline of Never Say Never Again, which, as
<v Speaker 2>a reminder, is the exact same plot of Thunderbolt. James
<v Speaker 2>Bond double set makes his way for one last mission.
<v Speaker 2>Two American nuclear warheads have been stolen by Specter. The
<v Speaker 2>British reactivate their double section and send Bond off to
<v Speaker 2>the Bahamas to recover them. There he meets Maximilian Largo,
<v Speaker 2>who is a paramad mastermind set on carrying out his
<v Speaker 2>plan for worldwide nuclear blackmail. On Largo's side the villainous
<v Speaker 2>fem fatale Fatima Blush. But Bond does have an ally
<v Speaker 2>Largo's girlfriend, the beautiful Domino, who falls for Bond. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so those are the brief plot outlines.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't help me at all. Like it's like, boy,
<v Speaker 1>could those have been the same movie? Yes, those could
<v Speaker 1>have been the same movie. You throw out Faberge, Egg
<v Speaker 1>and Circus and those are basically the same movie. So
<v Speaker 1>Mond has got a formula here, right, and we're going
<v Speaker 1>with what works.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>You've got canniping bad guys, you've got cold war atomic danger,
<v Speaker 1>and you've got beautiful women who may or may not
<v Speaker 1>be trying to kill Double O seven.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, it works. Why change it?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Here's one thing that I want to point out to you.
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit confusing for me, because I've seen
<v Speaker 2>Thunderball many times. I've seen Never Say Never Again many times.
<v Speaker 2>I've read the novel Thunderball, and I've seen Austin Powers
<v Speaker 2>many times. Oh hey, yes, essentially this is the same
<v Speaker 2>plot from Austin Powers. Right, he is holding the world
<v Speaker 2>ransom for one million dollars? Oh, no, one hundred billion
<v Speaker 2>dollars right? Oh yeah, Okay, So of these two plots,
<v Speaker 2>which is the one?
<v Speaker 1>It's the same. It's the formula, man, it's the same.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're here, honestly, plot wise, it's not significantly different.
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful women, both nuclear weapons.
<v Speaker 1>I can say this. Despite having very similar plots, it
<v Speaker 1>seemed to me that OCTOPUSY had a lot more action
<v Speaker 1>sequences to it, like you've got I mean, it's you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's like how Needham was involved with this one? Can
<v Speaker 1>we have a car chase? Can we have a car
<v Speaker 1>shooting off a bridge? Can we have a guy dangling
<v Speaker 1>from a train? How can we have a guy dangling
<v Speaker 1>from a plane? You know, would you eat it with
<v Speaker 1>a goat? Would you eat it on a boat? And
<v Speaker 1>so the boat comes up and never say never? But
<v Speaker 1>I think that the thematic points make OCTOPUSY a more
<v Speaker 1>exciting movie to watch. What about you?
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the plot of Never Saying Ever Again
<v Speaker 2>is more interesting. Holding the world ransom with nuclear weapons,
<v Speaker 2>to me, is just more gripping rather than faberge eggs
<v Speaker 2>and a Afghan prince and this weird octopus cult. Although
<v Speaker 2>it it just kind of all melds together into a
<v Speaker 2>Bond adventure for me, I think, I think, I think
<v Speaker 2>Never Say Never Again for me is the winner on
<v Speaker 2>just the plot.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, so let's let's jump from plot. Let's
<v Speaker 1>jump into opening song. Every Bond movie has an opening song,
<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about opening songs.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, So the opening song for Octopusy is
<v Speaker 2>All Time High by Rita Coolidge.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, listening to that smooth saxophone sound.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So to me, this one is a slower, it's
<v Speaker 2>more melodic, it's it's a ballad. I think they're trying
<v Speaker 2>to capture the Carly Simon feel from the spy who
<v Speaker 2>loved Me?
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts for sure? That they're they're going
<v Speaker 1>back to that. This is this is smoothie and jazzy
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, And you know why they didn't
<v Speaker 1>why they didn't have a song that was named after
<v Speaker 1>the title of the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Because they can't think of anything that rhymes with Octopussy.
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. Thanks for ruining that joke. Yes, that's
<v Speaker 1>the right answer.
<v Speaker 2>Don't be a whissy, go watch Octopussy. So yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>agree with you. This does have a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>a yacht rock feel to it. Really Coolidge to me
<v Speaker 2>is the girl who's sang higher and higher from the
<v Speaker 2>early eighties, which that was kind of a big hit.
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting because this is nineteen eighty three. They
<v Speaker 2>could have used Duran Duran, they could have used Journey,
<v Speaker 2>they could have done something a little more young and peppy,
<v Speaker 2>and they went the opposite way.
<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, just thinking about this, you got two guys
<v Speaker 1>who were iconic from the decades past. You've got the
<v Speaker 1>sixth D's Bond and the seventies Bond, And I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense that they would have seventies music with
<v Speaker 1>the seventies Bond, but these guys were at the end
<v Speaker 1>of their era. And you know we haven't I mentioned
<v Speaker 1>way back when we were talking about Raiders the Lost
<v Speaker 1>Arc that Bond is an outright pig a whole lot
<v Speaker 1>of the time. That kind of ended with these two
<v Speaker 1>guys like this, they were They're the they're the dinosaurs,
<v Speaker 1>They're the ones. Once you hit Timothy Dalton, he's not
<v Speaker 1>even having sex, let alone all the you know, inappropriate
<v Speaker 1>zooming in on the woman's cleavage, you know, tricking the
<v Speaker 1>virgin into giving it up by using a trick deck
<v Speaker 1>of cards. I mean, there's just so many or thunderball,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you wouldn't please.
<v Speaker 2>Let the.
<v Speaker 1>Well.
<v Speaker 3>I I suppose my silence could have a prized.
<v Speaker 1>I mean on yeah, oh my gosh, you are a
<v Speaker 1>big and that that disappears with this. But I think
<v Speaker 1>that the songs are a part of that deal that
<v Speaker 1>they are from a time past. They're not looking to
<v Speaker 1>capture a new audience. They're looking to keep the audience
<v Speaker 1>that they already have hooked in. And I think if
<v Speaker 1>they use Journey or Duran Duran, that they're going to
<v Speaker 1>turn a whole bunch of the folks that were watching
<v Speaker 1>them in the sixties and seventies off.
<v Speaker 2>I understand what you're saying, but they used Duran Duran
<v Speaker 2>two years later in nineteen eighty five with a View
<v Speaker 2>to a Kill, and it's probably the best Bond song
<v Speaker 2>of all time.
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, according to you and me, it is because
<v Speaker 1>we were kids of the eighties and so yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>You've Got and you had Live and Let Die too,
<v Speaker 1>which was a totally kick.
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a yeah.
<v Speaker 1>But the song transition started to happen, I guess before
<v Speaker 1>they completely got out of having these actors in there.
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't there yet. There they're still working on
<v Speaker 1>that formula.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's switch back to Never Say Never Again.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So for Never Say Never Again, we have Never
<v Speaker 1>Say Never Again by Lonnie Hall.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this one makes James Bond feel even older to me.
<v Speaker 1>It's just copa copa cubana.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it does have that seventies feel to it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like Fantasy Island or Love.
<v Speaker 2>You're right, did you watch the video for this? Yes, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna poke fun at her just a touch.
<v Speaker 1>Pretty lady. You don't like the tuxedo.
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the tuxedo. I don't like women in tuxedos.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry anyway.
<v Speaker 1>It depends on the circumstance. But this is not the
<v Speaker 1>right one.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna quit talking. But I think All Time
<v Speaker 2>High charted a little higher than Never Say Never Again.
<v Speaker 2>I like eighties music, so I'm not gonna poke fun
<v Speaker 2>at the eighties feel for both of these, even though
<v Speaker 2>they're both kind of seventies feel. Who's the winner?
<v Speaker 1>I probably like Never Say Never Again. No, I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 1>They're both not going to be anything. They're falling into
<v Speaker 1>my playlist anytime soon. Yeah, it's got to be Never
<v Speaker 1>Saying Ever Again. The readA Coolidge is just I love
<v Speaker 1>the Carly Simon song, but this the readA Coolidge didn't
<v Speaker 1>didn't make it.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well I'm gonna say Riata Coolidge by a nose,
<v Speaker 2>all right?
<v Speaker 1>Then?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, here here's one I want to talk about. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be a little bit hard to
<v Speaker 2>talk about because Never Say Never Again does not have
<v Speaker 2>that opening credits scene. Okay, so that doesn't really count.
<v Speaker 2>We just kind of have to set that one aside.
<v Speaker 2>Octopus's opening credits scene. Yes, a little bit revealing in
<v Speaker 2>their silhouettes.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, this is the one that made me go
<v Speaker 1>back and watch the other ones. Like I was like,
<v Speaker 1>oh wait a minute, were all of the silhouettes completely
<v Speaker 1>naked and really really cold? And some of them were
<v Speaker 1>some you'd be surprised, but I think this one was
<v Speaker 1>the one day they'd had a little little Nippley.
<v Speaker 2>It definitely is a little Nippley. They pushed the envelope,
<v Speaker 2>I think on this one even further so. But so
<v Speaker 2>the opening credits, it's always done by the same guy.
<v Speaker 2>It always has that same feel. But yeah, pushing the
<v Speaker 2>envelope on all the naked women.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, and you know, since we're on songs, we
<v Speaker 1>should at least touch on the iconic James Bond song,
<v Speaker 1>which is done by John Barry of course, right He
<v Speaker 1>was asked by the people who were putting together Never
<v Speaker 1>Say Never Again to do the music for it as well,
<v Speaker 1>but out of loyalty to Eon Productions and Kubby Brockley,
<v Speaker 1>he said, no, thanks, guys, I'm gonna I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to get in the middle of that divorce mess. No,
<v Speaker 1>thank you.
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So next on the list, let's look at the
<v Speaker 2>cast a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So for Octopusy we have mod Adams, who've already
<v Speaker 1>talked about a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>So I want to touch on mod Adams again. Who
<v Speaker 2>plays Octopusy. She was thirty eight when she did this.
<v Speaker 2>She had been in the Man with the Golden Gun
<v Speaker 2>with Roger Moore. She was Scaramonga's girlfriend, right, so she
<v Speaker 2>is actually a bond girl twice two different characters. Kind
<v Speaker 2>of interesting. She was a playboy model Google.
<v Speaker 1>Let's going.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So let's talk about a couple of the people
<v Speaker 2>who were considered for the role of Octopusy this is
<v Speaker 2>I found this interesting. They wanted Faye Dunaway, which would
<v Speaker 2>have been interesting, but she was too expensive, right, And
<v Speaker 2>so they asked Barbara Carrera.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, right, who was not in Octopussy. She was in
<v Speaker 1>She was Never Ever Again.
<v Speaker 2>So she plays Fatima Blush from Never Say Never Again?
<v Speaker 1>Did you say blush?
<v Speaker 2>Fatima's hard?
<v Speaker 1>It's real hard not to say bush, isn't it.
<v Speaker 2>I try to say it like her because just blush.
<v Speaker 1>It's blush. I don't care if she's got an accent.
<v Speaker 1>It's blush bush blush. Right. Yeah, she was interested, but
<v Speaker 1>then when she found out she could be in a
<v Speaker 1>movie with Sean Connery, she was like, no, thank you,
<v Speaker 1>I'll go act with Sean Connery. And then when they said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we can put your body double in for this left scene,
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, no, thank you, I'll go ahead
<v Speaker 1>and do it myself. With Sean Connery.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Thank you very much, Barbara Kaurr. We appreciate you.
<v Speaker 2>But when she turned them down to go work with
<v Speaker 2>Sean Connery and Octopussy, they looked at pursus cambata. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>not positive I'm saying that right. But you will recognize
<v Speaker 2>her from Star Trek the motion picture. She plays Aliyah,
<v Speaker 2>the bald girl that's taken over by Veger.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the bald girl, the bald like vulcoan girl.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's who they wanted to play. OCTOPUSY.
<v Speaker 1>Bad guy is Lewis Jordan. He plays Kamal Khan. He
<v Speaker 1>had been in GigE and this is one from the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>He was in the Swamp Thing.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he's the He is the guy from the
<v Speaker 2>Swamp Thing. Yeah, and I look at him. It's swamp Thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, swamp Thing all the way for sure.
<v Speaker 2>What'd you think of him as a bad guy? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>who is the bad guy in Octopusy?
<v Speaker 1>Is it him? Or is it orlof? I mean it's
<v Speaker 1>him really to me? Yeah, I mean he's got that
<v Speaker 1>fantastic scene at the end where he's flying the plane. Oh,
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I forgot, I didn't mention this. So
<v Speaker 1>when they're flying the plane, you know, when they're shooting
<v Speaker 1>the movie, that plane was the way they were going
<v Speaker 1>to do that is they had it on like this
<v Speaker 1>catapult kind of thing, and there's nobody in the plane.
<v Speaker 1>They just have it full of explosives so that you
<v Speaker 1>get a nice big kaboom, an earth shattering kaboom whenever
<v Speaker 1>whenever it hits. And so they shoot it off in
<v Speaker 1>the catapult. They're filming in Utah, and when they shoot
<v Speaker 1>it off, suddenly the wind catches it and it starts
<v Speaker 1>gliding around like unmanned. I mean, there's no remote, it's
<v Speaker 1>just gliding and he's gliding over a freeway full of busys.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.
<v Speaker 1>But ultimately, you know, falls in a different spot. It
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even blow up. They had to reshoot the explosion
<v Speaker 1>scene altogether.
<v Speaker 2>It's just that's the scene where Kamal Khan tells Gobinda
<v Speaker 2>to go go outside and go get him. Yeah, I'll
<v Speaker 2>be like, sorry, dude, you don't pay me enough money.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>No, he looks at him like out out there, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>go out there and get him on the outside of
<v Speaker 2>the airplane. Okay, So Gobinda let's talk about him for
<v Speaker 2>a second. I don't know who this guy is. His
<v Speaker 2>name is Kamir Bindi, but he to me, he's just
<v Speaker 2>a recreation of odd Job from Goldfinger. He gets mad
<v Speaker 2>and he crushes the dice. Yeah, that game very odd
<v Speaker 2>Job like feel to him. He didn't say anything, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>just very few lines like out there's octopus ll. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, she was much more of a villain in the book,
<v Speaker 1>and this one I think they kind of lightened her up.
<v Speaker 1>They gave her a backstory which kind of explained why
<v Speaker 1>she was the way she was, which is her father
<v Speaker 1>was the one that James Bond had. I guess he
<v Speaker 1>allowed him to commit suic He's a bad guy that
<v Speaker 1>James Bond allowed to commit suicide.
<v Speaker 2>But he was thankful for that, so thankful that she
<v Speaker 2>threw herself at him.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she saves him several times during that deal.
<v Speaker 1>She's you know, they're in bed and then all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, there's a dripping buzzsob yo yo about to
<v Speaker 1>take your head off. That was a really memorable moment
<v Speaker 1>for me as a kid. And then of course shortly thereafter,
<v Speaker 1>you and everybody's running in. You know, you get the
<v Speaker 1>girls in the The Incredibles uniform. It's what they look like,
<v Speaker 1>Natalie just to shoot off the bad guys. But then
<v Speaker 1>that guy gets his head smashed through the tank and
<v Speaker 1>gets the octopus on its face just like Alien. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it just looked like, oh my gosh, guys, come on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that blue ring octopus was the really the main
<v Speaker 2>bad guy. And then you have those ridiculous knive throwing twins. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you have Stephen Berkhoff, who plays General Orloff. He you
<v Speaker 2>might remember is was in Rambo and Beverly Hills Cop.
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of known during this stretched time as playing
<v Speaker 2>a great bad guy.
<v Speaker 1>So this is interesting. So there's the actor VJ. In
<v Speaker 1>the movie. The character VJ is played by an actor
<v Speaker 1>VJ Amritrage. I believe is how you pronounced his last name.
<v Speaker 1>But he had been he'd been a tennis player before this, right,
<v Speaker 1>he was a professional tennis player, And so you've got
<v Speaker 1>some tennis jokes in there, like when the things are
<v Speaker 1>being thrown somehow he gets a tennis racket and knocks
<v Speaker 1>it away. But he had he'd been a tennis player
<v Speaker 1>and hadn't gotten his SAG card yet. His screen actors
<v Speaker 1>guilt card yet, and so they weren't gonna let him
<v Speaker 1>do the movie. And so Kubby Broccley calls in a
<v Speaker 1>favor to Leonard Goldberg, who is the producer of Fantasy Island.
<v Speaker 1>There it is, Hey, there we go all connected, and
<v Speaker 1>gets him a guest spot on Fantasy Island. And that
<v Speaker 1>was enough to get him a SAG card and then
<v Speaker 1>he could go and be in this movie.
<v Speaker 2>That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I'm want to talk about
<v Speaker 2>Magda for just a second.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>She's played by Christina Wayburne. She's kind of the red
<v Speaker 2>haired girl that Bond seduces earlier in the movie. She
<v Speaker 2>steals the Faberge egg from him and it makes this
<v Speaker 2>sort of dramatic exit. She ties a sash around the
<v Speaker 2>balcony and then falls over backwards and spirals down using
<v Speaker 2>her dress essentially to escape, right right. Really cool stunt
<v Speaker 2>and that actress actually did that. Oh wow, it's really cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she didn't do much else. Like she was on mcguiver,
<v Speaker 1>she was on air Wolf. She became one of the eighties.
<v Speaker 1>You're in this TV show for an episode or two.
<v Speaker 2>A team has to be in there somewhere.
<v Speaker 1>Probably probably so.
<v Speaker 2>So you also have Lois Maxwell as Miss Moneypenny.
<v Speaker 1>Just another side note. When Lois Maxwell met Ian Fleming
<v Speaker 1>back in the day when she was first cast, he
<v Speaker 1>started talking to her about how she was the perfect
<v Speaker 1>choice there at this kind of cocktail party and he's
<v Speaker 1>like and she's like, well, what do you mean And
<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, just the air of sophistication with full
<v Speaker 1>and luscious lips. And she was like, oh really and
<v Speaker 1>kind of leans in a little bit, and she said,
<v Speaker 1>should I say cheese or dunes? And he said runes
<v Speaker 1>and she said they were about to guess she was
<v Speaker 1>ready for the kiss. And then his wife walked and said,
<v Speaker 1>what you doing?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's the cast of Octopusy. That of course
<v Speaker 2>leaves out Roger Moore, which we're going to hold until
<v Speaker 2>the end. So let's put back to Never Say Never again.
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the cast and never Say Never again.
<v Speaker 1>Before we get started the cast the fight sequences. Do
<v Speaker 1>you know who they hired to be the trainer for
<v Speaker 1>the fight sequences in this movie?
<v Speaker 2>I do know, but give it to me.
<v Speaker 1>A young Steven Segal who broke Sean Connery's wrist.
<v Speaker 2>I heard this. He was on the Tonight Show talking
<v Speaker 2>about this. You know, they were training and Steven Skull
<v Speaker 2>got him just right, and he's like, dang, that hurt.
<v Speaker 2>He didn't realize it for like ten years later. It
<v Speaker 2>was just kind of had a constant risk pain and
<v Speaker 2>it was all the way back to that incident Steven
<v Speaker 2>Skull broke Sean Connery's wrist. Okay, so because Sean Connery
<v Speaker 2>had so much creative input on this movie, he had
<v Speaker 2>the final say on a lot of these actors. Kim
<v Speaker 2>basing her plays Domino Patacci. She was actually recommended by
<v Speaker 2>Conrie's wife. She met her at a dinner party. She's
<v Speaker 2>an up becoming actress. She hadn't really quite broken it
<v Speaker 2>big yet, and Conrie's wife thought she'd be perfect for
<v Speaker 2>the part.
<v Speaker 1>She'd actually been asked to be a Bond girl before,
<v Speaker 1>but was afraid of what kind of corner that would
<v Speaker 1>paint her in and turned it down. But then by
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two she was like, Okay, I haven't made
<v Speaker 1>it big yet. I'm gonna go ahead and do this
<v Speaker 1>and get some public exposure. And it definitely worked out
<v Speaker 1>for her.
<v Speaker 2>For me, She's always going to be Vicky Vail from Batman,
<v Speaker 2>eighty nine.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well, yeah, okay, I'm gonna not go ahead
<v Speaker 1>and a half weeks nine and a half weeks.
<v Speaker 2>So a rumor has it that Kim Basinger was a
<v Speaker 2>holy terror on this set, like nobody could get along
<v Speaker 2>with her. She hated everyone, She didn't socialize, everybody hated her.
<v Speaker 2>Then you also have Klaus Maria Brandauer, who played Maximilian Largo.
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was Phil Collins. No, I'm just kidding.
<v Speaker 1>He thought that. When I was a kid, I was like,
<v Speaker 1>is that Phil Collins? And then I saw him in Buster.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I guess it was Phil Collins. No,
<v Speaker 1>he's okay, he I don't know. He just doesn't He
<v Speaker 1>didn't strike fear into my heart. I guess him and
<v Speaker 1>the and the video game face off. It was all
<v Speaker 1>just kind of dumb to me.
<v Speaker 2>We have to talk about the video game. Should we
<v Speaker 2>do it now or should we wait?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, go ahead.
<v Speaker 2>Largo and Bond meet together in this high falutin five
<v Speaker 2>star fancy casino and they're gonna play this video game
<v Speaker 2>called Domination, which is it's a really effective scene in
<v Speaker 2>the movie. If they lose, they get electric shocks from
<v Speaker 2>the from the game. Itself. But the funny thing to
<v Speaker 2>me is, right before they sit down to play the game,
<v Speaker 2>bond is walking around the casino and stumbles into an
<v Speaker 2>old school arcade and then they have like fifteen centipede
<v Speaker 2>stand up video games all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>Beth is, probably it wasn't too far off of the
<v Speaker 1>truth of what was really going on in some of
<v Speaker 1>the bigger casinos out there. I mean, we're talking about
<v Speaker 1>nineteen I mean this the movie came out in eighty three,
<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about nineteen eighty two. The year before that,
<v Speaker 1>you had Galagha come out, you had Donkey Kong Junior
<v Speaker 1>come out, you had Quicks come out, you had Missus
<v Speaker 1>pac Man come out. I mean, if there was an
<v Speaker 1>arcade video game peak climax, I bet that was it.
<v Speaker 2>You're probably right, You're probably right. By the way, it's
<v Speaker 2>miss pac Man.
<v Speaker 1>Did I send Missus? That's all right, it's very not politically.
<v Speaker 2>Correct, Okay. And they hired Max von Sidou to play Blofeld,
<v Speaker 2>which he doesn't do very much. He's not in it
<v Speaker 2>very often.
<v Speaker 1>But but what a great bad guy he is.
<v Speaker 2>He plays Jesus.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't look like that when
<v Speaker 1>he played Jesus. I mean, he looked much better back then.
<v Speaker 1>But let's not forget he was improvorming.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, cue the flash music right now.
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've done that already. Have I done
<v Speaker 1>that already? You did? I did?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is who I really want to talk about.
<v Speaker 1>Oh so, yeah, there's the Timothy Dalton connection. I was like,
<v Speaker 1>why did I do that? Oh? Yes, because Timothy Dalton
<v Speaker 1>was Barren in Flash Gordon.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's it, all right. So Barbara Carrera plays
<v Speaker 2>Fatima Blush. She is a former Playboy model. She was
<v Speaker 2>asked to play the character Oxposy. She turned it down
<v Speaker 2>for a chance to work with Sean Connery, and we talked,
<v Speaker 2>this is the type of woman that you're like, I'm
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine percent sure she wants to kill me, but
<v Speaker 2>I still want to sleep with her. She's beautiful, she's sexy,
<v Speaker 2>she's deadly.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and her end scene, like her death scene, is
<v Speaker 1>so much better than her counterpart in Thunderball. I mean
<v Speaker 1>I in Thunderball, he just uses her as a human
<v Speaker 1>shield when the assassin is trying to shoot him from
<v Speaker 1>behind the musicians. But oh my gosh, when she's going
<v Speaker 1>on her really nutty rant, and then he manages to
<v Speaker 1>pull out the exploding bomb pen that he has and
<v Speaker 1>then in her rant, he shoots her and it doesn't detonate.
<v Speaker 1>She starts laughing and then boom and nothing's left but
<v Speaker 1>her shoes. That's one of the best endings to a
<v Speaker 1>Bad Bond girl I've ever seen.
<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite scene in the whole movie. And here's
<v Speaker 2>the deal. She's got the drop on him with the gun. Right, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>there's this huge motorcycle chase that's really awesome. She finally
<v Speaker 2>gets him, she's got the drop on him.
<v Speaker 1>She has him write it out that she was the
<v Speaker 1>best he ever had. That's a random it's so dumb.
<v Speaker 2>Write this down, I James Bond W seven.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there was this girl from Philadelphia. I
<v Speaker 1>loved it. I loved it.
<v Speaker 2>And you're right. When he hits her with that Bazuka pen,
<v Speaker 2>it's a just boom and she actually fires back. She
<v Speaker 2>misses him just barely, and then she explodes, and it's great.
<v Speaker 2>What a great does Sie. A couple of other people
<v Speaker 2>we need to talk about. Bernie Casey plays Felix Lighter, right,
<v Speaker 2>which he that is the same guy who plays mister
<v Speaker 2>Ryan from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
<v Speaker 1>Right, the history teacher, and he's also the training ops
<v Speaker 1>guy for spies like us. And so this movie's got
<v Speaker 1>Roan Atkinson in his first feature film performance.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he plays Nigel Small Fuscet.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the names are just so so subtle, so subtlet
<v Speaker 1>and then of course he goes on to you know,
<v Speaker 1>he's mister Bean. He's got all kinds of success in
<v Speaker 1>various roles. But one of the most memorable in relation
<v Speaker 1>to this is, of course Johnny English.
<v Speaker 2>I love Johnny English. My kids think that it is
<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest movies ever.
<v Speaker 1>And one of the taglines on one of the posters
<v Speaker 1>was the little brother of James Bond.
<v Speaker 2>Nice. The last one I want to talk about is
<v Speaker 2>Valerie Leone. She plays quote the lady in the Bahamas.
<v Speaker 2>This is the girl who is fishing while Bond is
<v Speaker 2>wrestling sharks and her lure comes by. He grabs the
<v Speaker 2>lure and she reels him into the boat. He's got
<v Speaker 2>this weird scuba gear outfit on, and so the next
<v Speaker 2>scene he's wearing her overalls. So seeing Sean Connery in
<v Speaker 2>overalls a little hard for me to take.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess yes, we can't leave out of the cast.
<v Speaker 1>The guy who's always in the fight with our action
<v Speaker 1>hero mister pat Roach.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, who, if.
<v Speaker 1>You don't know, is the guy who played the big
<v Speaker 1>german in Raiders of the Lost Arc who is fighting
<v Speaker 1>with Indiana Jones. He also plays the guy with his
<v Speaker 1>arms on fire at the earlier scene, the Nepalese guy
<v Speaker 1>fighting with Indiana Jones. He ends up fighting obviously with
<v Speaker 1>James Bond here, and he was also the guy in
<v Speaker 1>Temple of Doom who gets the rock dropped on his head.
<v Speaker 2>Maure Yeah. He and Bond have this really great fight
<v Speaker 2>scene at the spa where Bond is there getting in
<v Speaker 2>shape and they're wrestling and fighting and you know, he's
<v Speaker 2>whooping Bond, He's throwing them all over the place. And
<v Speaker 2>they go and they ended up in this room where
<v Speaker 2>Bond picks up this glass and it's got this unknown
<v Speaker 2>substance in there, and he throws it and splashes it
<v Speaker 2>in the guy's eyes and as he's like screaming about
<v Speaker 2>you think it's acid, he Bond looks at it and says,
<v Speaker 2>James Bond, you'urine sample? This is kind of funny scene.
<v Speaker 2>But the thing that kills him is he backs into
<v Speaker 2>all these glass glasses that kind of stab him in
<v Speaker 2>the back. But that whole scene I thought was great.
<v Speaker 2>So for me, Never Say Never Again has the stronger cast.
<v Speaker 2>I think Barbara Carrera steal the show. She's way more
<v Speaker 2>formidable than any villain in Oxposy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree with you. I think that probably the
<v Speaker 1>stronger cast members are gonna be a Never Say Never Again.
<v Speaker 2>I agreed, all right, D So let's let's compare gadgets
<v Speaker 2>from these two movies real quick. And Never Say Never Again.
<v Speaker 2>You've got the laser watch, and you've got the super
<v Speaker 2>cool rocket motorcycle that Q gives to Bond. Right In Oxpossy,
<v Speaker 2>you've got the TV watch.
<v Speaker 1>You've got the TV watch, and you've got the pen
<v Speaker 1>that shoots acid.
<v Speaker 2>You also have the giant Union Jack hot air balloon.
<v Speaker 1>It's infamous, maybe the best Bond vehicle that has ever been.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>He show us up, check me out, can't miss me
<v Speaker 2>coming in to help. I'm not covert at all.
<v Speaker 1>Right, the whoever makes those how it should have really
<v Speaker 1>ended things at the end of that movie would have
<v Speaker 1>been like what the heck is that shoot that down? Boom? Okay,
<v Speaker 1>movies over all, right, move on.
<v Speaker 2>One of the coolest though from Octopusy, Bond travels around
<v Speaker 2>in the submarine that looks like an alligator. That's it's
<v Speaker 2>pretty sweet. Okay, So not much on gadgets, but other
<v Speaker 2>than the really cool early version of the Apple Watch
<v Speaker 2>that Bond has an.
<v Speaker 1>Octoposit Seko TV they actually these were real things. It
<v Speaker 1>was black and white. It wasn't color, and I'm pretty
<v Speaker 1>sure that the cleavage shot would have been much more
<v Speaker 1>pixelated than it appeared in the movie. But there was
<v Speaker 1>a black and white TV watch that existed at that time.
<v Speaker 2>We keep mentioning the cleavage shot. Let's talk about that
<v Speaker 2>for just a second, okay, because it is so silly.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like if if my if my fifth
<v Speaker 1>grader did that, I'd be like, you are grounded? What
<v Speaker 1>were you thinking?
<v Speaker 2>Okay? For those who don't remember, when he Bond is
<v Speaker 2>meeting with Q and they're looking at all these gadgets,
<v Speaker 2>Bond finds a video camera that's hooked up to a
<v Speaker 2>TV console and he zooms in on this girl's cleavage,
<v Speaker 2>kind of going in out like a like a goofy
<v Speaker 2>teenager would, and then he just.
<v Speaker 1>Leaves it there. It's just you're just watching like four
<v Speaker 1>screens of boobs for the next two minutes of the scene.
<v Speaker 1>Here are a couple of things that are interesting about
<v Speaker 1>Never Say Never Again. Number one, this was the last
<v Speaker 1>film where Sean Connery was clean shaven, and thank thank goodness,
<v Speaker 1>and I think it was the last one where he
<v Speaker 1>wore the hair piece. I mean, it was just like,
<v Speaker 1>you're just trying too hard to look like you did
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago. So good job on that. You still
<v Speaker 1>are a sexy man with your gray beard and your
<v Speaker 1>bald head. Everybody loves you like that, so he's stuck
<v Speaker 1>with that. This is the only Double O seven movie
<v Speaker 1>that was directed by an American. It was directed by
<v Speaker 1>Irvin Kirshner, who we talked about was also the director
<v Speaker 1>of Empire Strikes Back. But it wasn't the first time
<v Speaker 1>that Irvin Kershner had worked with Sean Connery. He had
<v Speaker 1>also worked with him in nineteen sixty six on a
<v Speaker 1>movie called A Fine Madness.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is super interesting. I think I think I'm
<v Speaker 2>gonna blow your mind on this. You ready for this?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Largo's ship in the movie is called the Flying Saucer. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>from the book, it's called the disco Valante, which means
<v Speaker 2>flying saucer. So they just kind of americanized it. But
<v Speaker 2>it was a super yacht. It was called Kingdom five
<v Speaker 2>k R. The closing credits include the line thanks a
<v Speaker 2>k that refers to Adnam Koshagi, the Saudi arms dealer
<v Speaker 2>who allowed them to film aboard his two hundred and
<v Speaker 2>eighty foot yacht. He later sold the yacht to drum
<v Speaker 2>roll Donald Trump, whoa who renamed it the Trump Princess.
<v Speaker 2>That is no joke. It's currently owned by somebody else,
<v Speaker 2>but still.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy. This was the last movie to feature
<v Speaker 1>Specter until twenty fifteen, when Daniel Craig's Spector Bond movie
<v Speaker 1>came out.
<v Speaker 2>Short side story, I remember going and waiting in line
<v Speaker 2>at the movie theater. I'm ten years old, and the
<v Speaker 2>movie people come out to say the seven to fifteen
<v Speaker 2>movie of ok Pussy has sold out. Right, These teenagers
<v Speaker 2>behind me are like, octa what, Octa what? And my
<v Speaker 2>Dad's like if you ever act that way in public? Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So all right, what tidbits do you have on Octopussy.
<v Speaker 1>So the Faberge egg is the same faberge egg that
<v Speaker 1>appears in Ocean's twelve and the scenes we talked about
<v Speaker 1>the stunt scenes, you know, where that he's hanging onto
<v Speaker 1>a plane and he's hanging onto a train. The stunt
<v Speaker 1>man who was who was actually doing the part of
<v Speaker 1>hanging onto the train got seriously injured. The train went
<v Speaker 1>further than it was supposed to and he smashed into
<v Speaker 1>some pylons and had significant damage to his leg and
<v Speaker 1>a hip. He was in the hospital for months but
<v Speaker 1>made a full recovery. And then also the actor who
<v Speaker 1>had our Yo Yo Buzzsaw broke his arm when he
<v Speaker 1>fell over the balcony onto octop Pussy's bed, but he
<v Speaker 1>he didn't stop filming like he broke his arm, and
<v Speaker 1>they finished all of the scenes in that in that movie.
<v Speaker 2>Nice, good for ye. All right, here's something I got
<v Speaker 2>on Octopusy. During filming, Roger Moore was misdiagnosed with heart problems.
<v Speaker 2>When he got home, maud Adams had her boyfriend who
<v Speaker 2>was a doctor at the time, gave him a second
<v Speaker 2>opinion and pronounced him medically fit.
<v Speaker 1>We listened to the soundtrack show right yep. And you
<v Speaker 1>remember what diegetic music is. Do you remember what that is? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you hear that the characters here as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So this is the only movie that James Bond
<v Speaker 1>actually hears the James Bond tune in and it's you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's being played by VJ at the beginning of octopusy
<v Speaker 1>And not only does he hear it, he recognizes, which
<v Speaker 1>is how did he know what his theme music is?
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>So they had a couple of little things like that.
<v Speaker 2>Here's an interesting tidbit that I found fascinating. So we
<v Speaker 2>already talked about how Sean Connery and Roger Moore were Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Son Connery wanted a closing scene of the movie to
<v Speaker 2>be him walking down the street, him bumping into a person, right,
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out that that person is Roger Moore,
<v Speaker 2>and they both kind of turn and look at the
<v Speaker 2>camera and smirk and kind of go their separate ways.
<v Speaker 2>But as cool as that would have been, Kubby Brocker,
<v Speaker 2>there's no way he's going to.
<v Speaker 1>Go for that, right, Yeah, So what you got instead
<v Speaker 1>was the one time in all of the Bond movies
<v Speaker 1>where James Bond breaks the fourth wall. Right at the end,
<v Speaker 1>you know, gives that little look to the camera. I
<v Speaker 1>love what when they break the fourth wall. It's very
<v Speaker 1>inclusive of the audience, you know, yeah, Allah Bert Reynolds,
<v Speaker 1>a lah Eddie Murphy. So, of course, while they're making
<v Speaker 1>these movies, this is a UK production for both movies,
<v Speaker 1>and they're making the movies at the same time. And
<v Speaker 1>sure enough in London, Roger Moore runs into Sean Connery
<v Speaker 1>and these guys are buddies. I mean they are friends.
<v Speaker 1>They've been friends for twenty years at this point, and
<v Speaker 1>so they run into each other outside of a hotel
<v Speaker 1>room as the movies are being made, and Sean Connery
<v Speaker 1>is talking to him and he says, so where are
<v Speaker 1>you headed? And Roger Moore is like, wow, I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to this awful little town south of London to shoot
<v Speaker 1>some of some country scenes, which is which is the Cuban.
<v Speaker 2>Part right right?
<v Speaker 1>And then Roger Moore is like, so where are you going.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm going to the south of France. Oh, okay,
<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery, where are you going after you shoot south
<v Speaker 1>of London? He's like India? And Sean Connery is like oh,
<v Speaker 1>and Roger Moore's like, where are you going. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>you're going to Bahamas? All right, then good luck with
<v Speaker 1>your movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a great time. We talked about this
<v Speaker 2>a little bit the other night. When you are playing Texas,
<v Speaker 2>Hold Him, yeah, you've got pocket eights.
<v Speaker 1>Jason and I were playing Texas Hold Him literally two
<v Speaker 1>nights ago, and at some point I had a pair
<v Speaker 1>of eights and I showed him to Jason and I said,
<v Speaker 1>you know what this is? He says, yes, I do.
<v Speaker 2>Pocket eights are known as an octopussy.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, that one comes up in Casino Royale
<v Speaker 1>when they're playing Texas hold Them at the table. Daniel
<v Speaker 1>Craik's character has pocket eights and so weeks octopussy hand. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I love it when they give a little wink to
<v Speaker 2>other Bond movies like that.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so. During during the filming of this, there was
<v Speaker 1>a young production assistant whose job it was to drive
<v Speaker 1>Roger Moore around and he was petrified that he was
<v Speaker 1>going to mess something up or get in a wreck
<v Speaker 1>and kill Sir Roger Moore. And at some point he
<v Speaker 1>was being so careful that more you know, tipped his
<v Speaker 1>paper down from the back and said, you can go
<v Speaker 1>a little bit faster, and that young man went on
<v Speaker 1>to have his own catch line, which was because it
<v Speaker 1>was Carrie Elways from Prince's ride Way.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know the rest of the story that is awesome. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>here's something I got for you. On Octopussy, the acrostar
<v Speaker 2>plane used in the pre title sequences now hanging from
<v Speaker 2>the ceiling of a restaurant in Clearwater, Florida.
<v Speaker 1>Cool.
<v Speaker 2>That would be awesome. I would love to go there
<v Speaker 2>and see that. I think that'd be super cool.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the wings are up or down.
<v Speaker 2>There was a video game called James Bond as seen
<v Speaker 2>in Octopusy, and it was developed by Capcom and Parker
<v Speaker 2>Brothers for this movie in nineteen eighty four. It was
<v Speaker 2>designed for the Atari twenty six hundred.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember seeing that video game.
<v Speaker 2>So it was designed for the Atari's twenty six hundred,
<v Speaker 2>the Atari fifty two hundred, the Commodore sixty four, and
<v Speaker 2>Kalico Vision platforms, but it was never released. Oh that's
<v Speaker 2>why I don't remember exactly. If it had been, it
<v Speaker 2>would have been the first James Bond video game associated
<v Speaker 2>with the title of a Bond movie. All right, let's
<v Speaker 2>compare bonds and move into final judgment.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Sean Connor cool, sophisticated, manly, funny and brief moments,
<v Speaker 1>but ultimately almost infallible as James Bond.
<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, I mean, I agree with all of that.
<v Speaker 2>And he's tougher, he seems more physical.
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.
<v Speaker 2>I believe him beating bad guys up a whole lot
<v Speaker 2>more than I.
<v Speaker 1>Do Roger Moore, or shooting a gun.
<v Speaker 2>Or running. My gosh, Roger Moore is the slowest runner.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and Roger Moore as even said this he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>like shooting guns, which is a terrible I mean, it's
<v Speaker 1>a terrible condition to be in if you're gonna be
<v Speaker 1>playing James Bond. He's like, I always blink before I
<v Speaker 1>shoot the guns. You see. Roger Moore is definitely funnier.
<v Speaker 1>I like his self deprecating sense of humor, but as
<v Speaker 1>smooth as he is, he's just not quite as cool
<v Speaker 1>as Sean Connory. What are you thinking?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is hard for me because I grew up
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies with Roger Moore movies. So my heart
<v Speaker 2>says Roger Moore because he is funny, and he is
<v Speaker 2>he is very sophisticated and cool, just not as tough.
<v Speaker 2>I think I favor the Roger Moore move.
<v Speaker 1>It's a hard question, isn't it. It's hard Some people
<v Speaker 1>are so so stuck in their stance on this one.
<v Speaker 1>But it is a hard question because we did, we
<v Speaker 1>did grow up with the Roger Moore bond, and so
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of bond to us. Going back and
<v Speaker 1>looking at it, he does look a little, for lack
<v Speaker 1>of a better word, prissy in certain circumstances. Yeah, so, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>here's here is my take on it. Right, I would
<v Speaker 1>probably rather watch Roger Moore. Yes, I'd probably rather be
<v Speaker 1>Sean Connery.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, I go with that. I go with that.
<v Speaker 2>I think in this movie, though he looks a little old,
<v Speaker 2>I think they both look old to be to be real,
<v Speaker 2>both world man, both world. And then Roger Moore does
<v Speaker 2>another one after this and he looks even older. But uh,
<v Speaker 2>I think I think you're right. I think I enjoy
<v Speaker 2>some of the Roger Moore movies more, but I think
<v Speaker 2>Connore is a better bond. Okay, you made it. You
<v Speaker 2>made a come in a few weeks ago, flashback to
<v Speaker 2>our Cannonball Run episode Yeah, you said you enjoyed Roger
<v Speaker 2>Moore and Cannonball Run as and call that one of
<v Speaker 2>his best Bond performances.
<v Speaker 1>I totally I agree with that. I still agree with
<v Speaker 1>that because he was probably cooler in this one and
<v Speaker 1>probably cooler in Cannonball Run.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let me throw this out there real quick, all right,
<v Speaker 2>go ahead, Yeah, I'm with you. And everybody has their
<v Speaker 2>own Bond, and everybody has their own opinion, and and
<v Speaker 2>I know that that Connery is kind of the guy
<v Speaker 2>for for most of our listening audience. You have two
<v Speaker 2>of the most uncool scenes with Bond in all of
<v Speaker 2>Bond movies. In both of these movies, Okay, so you
<v Speaker 2>have Sean Connery wearing overalls and nothing else, and you
<v Speaker 2>have Roger Moore dressed as a clown trying to undo
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear bomb.
<v Speaker 1>So overall, like in all of Bond history, here are
<v Speaker 1>you picking?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I think the best Bond
<v Speaker 2>is Daniel Craig.
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree, There's no question about it. For me,
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Craig is the best Bond that's ever been a Bond.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're I think that's cool that we can
<v Speaker 2>agree on that Daniel Craig is the best Bond. I
<v Speaker 2>think the second best Bond is Pierce Brosman.
<v Speaker 1>Well, Pierce Brosnan kind of wove together the great parts
<v Speaker 1>of Sean Connery and Roger Moore. He was able to
<v Speaker 1>be funny and cool at the same time. He was
<v Speaker 1>able to be self deprecating but wasn't prissy at all.
<v Speaker 1>It was yeah, yeah, he was. It was a perfect meld.
<v Speaker 1>It was just he didn't have super great movies. So
<v Speaker 1>the way he played Bond was spot on. That was great.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And we talked, We talked briefly that he
<v Speaker 2>was a great Bond, he just had terrible scripts. Right, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so never say never again versus OCTOPUSY. Which is the
<v Speaker 2>better movie Octopusy?
<v Speaker 1>Wow?
<v Speaker 2>Wow? Okay.
<v Speaker 1>I I just in going back and like I've already said,
<v Speaker 1>I've already said how I feel about the Bonds, and
<v Speaker 1>I talked about the plot points, and I talked about
<v Speaker 1>the action that's involved. But it's a more engaging movie.
<v Speaker 1>It does move, it moves more quickly, it has more
<v Speaker 1>action sequences. The characters to me are more interesting in OCTOPUSY. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>I think that Sean Connery is kind of like Christopher
<v Speaker 1>Reeve he will always be the original Bond, but but
<v Speaker 1>never say never again? Was not a great comeback roll
<v Speaker 1>for me, for for him. I mean, maybe if he'd
<v Speaker 1>this would have this would have been an interesting idea.
<v Speaker 1>What if he had played the part with his gray
<v Speaker 1>beard and his hair piece gone and played it like that,
<v Speaker 1>that might have been more fascinating. But this one, I
<v Speaker 1>just felt like he was trying too hard to beat
<v Speaker 1>the Bond of the sixties in his nearly sixties. I
<v Speaker 1>guess I don't know, you know, it was just okay,
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts?
<v Speaker 2>Well, so I want to love Octopusy? Right, we talked
<v Speaker 2>how for your eyes only? Was my entry. I love
<v Speaker 2>that movie. Octopusy comes around and when I see it, honestly,
<v Speaker 2>I was disappointed at the movie theater as a kid.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's silly, and the clowns and the bad guys
<v Speaker 2>aren't very good, and the plot is convoluted.
<v Speaker 1>You have a yo yo buzzsaw.
<v Speaker 2>The yo yo buzsaw is pretty cool, and the Alligator
<v Speaker 2>submarine is pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>What about the What about the closing when he's flying
<v Speaker 1>in the plane and he's holding on the plane, that's intense.
<v Speaker 1>That was cool, awesome scene.
<v Speaker 2>That was a great scene until the guy says, you
<v Speaker 2>go out there and get him, which is great.
<v Speaker 1>The guy was flying off the edge when he hit
<v Speaker 1>him in the face at the age a.
<v Speaker 2>Great way to go, which that would hurt like crazy man,
<v Speaker 2>oh my nose. So I give the nod to Never
<v Speaker 2>Say Never Again. I think the plot is more interesting.
<v Speaker 2>I think you get bonus points for having a super
<v Speaker 2>cool battie. Barbara Carrera kills it as Fatima Blush. I'd
<v Speaker 2>love her in this, so I'd rather have Bahamas and
<v Speaker 2>Barbara Carrera.
<v Speaker 1>Octopusy grossed more in the box office than Never Say
<v Speaker 1>Never Again?
<v Speaker 2>Did it did? So? So Octopusy we talked about had
<v Speaker 2>a budget of twenty seven and a half million dollars
<v Speaker 2>and made one hundred and eighty seven million dollars. Right,
<v Speaker 2>But not only did it make more, but it was
<v Speaker 2>more profitable. I'm sorry. The budget for Never Say Never
<v Speaker 2>Again was thirty six million and the box office was
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and sixty million.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>It'll a big hit, just not quite as big as Octopussy. Right.
<v Speaker 2>I think part of that it would have been interesting
<v Speaker 2>to me to see how they both would have done
<v Speaker 2>if they had both been released in June.
<v Speaker 1>It has been great to do this again. I can't
<v Speaker 1>wait for next week's episode, which is which is going
<v Speaker 1>to be Motley Cruz Doctor Feel Good versus skid Row's
<v Speaker 1>debut album skid Row Man.
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for that one. Those are two of
<v Speaker 2>my all time favorites. I have had a great time
<v Speaker 2>getting into these Bond movies, even though they're not the
<v Speaker 2>best of Bonds that the story to me has been
<v Speaker 2>really fascinating. So I hope you've enjoyed this deep dive
<v Speaker 2>into what was going on behind the scenes and nineteen
<v Speaker 2>eighty three made for a spectacular year at.
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