The Real HouseLIES of Potomac: A Finale Reunion Recap

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Speaker 1: Welc up to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, the King of Reality TV and one of the most sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that we are still talking and tweeting about high range drops. We have a busy show to night, so let's bring in. This is a funny thing. These two are friends in real life. They are a good time. I mean, let's just say. I feel very blessed to call them my friend. And I also feel very blessed that I get to like hang out with them, because you have not experienced a fun time if you haven't a experienced it with Dustin Ross and d D Claudia Jordan, who is my friend, my baby doll. I everyone knows I'm in love with Claudia Jordan.

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Speaker 2: I really am. I think she's super underrated.

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Speaker 1: I have said that for years and I will keep saying again until my girl gets a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I love this woman. I think she's so smart, she's super gorgeous. She has a potty mouth like no other. But she's very sensitive too. Miss Aries like dust It. It's a aries too, but I love them together. Give it up, y'all for D Dustin Ross and D Claudia Jordan.

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Speaker 3: It is an airy sandwich with a little Libra in the middle.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: I was so surprised you just hit me about the blue because Carlos is so hard to get a hold of now, because he's so popular, he's so rich, he's so famous, he's courtyard. He's hiding the identity of who he's dating. I mean to me, I was like, oh my god, did he need a real journalist? I don't know, but where I am? So you want me to speak on things with my journalistic skills?

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Speaker 5: Damn right, that's right. Cloud.

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Speaker 4: Hey Bi.

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Speaker 2: Rain drops, you don't have real friends. If you're real friends, they'll read you for films. I go people all the time. That's the Claudia.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Claudia, you and I do talk often, and I, Claudia.

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Speaker 4: Not enough. I missed you. That's all I know.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I all the girls need some Carlos time. And I make sure to distribute it equally. But Claudia, I miss you so much. What have you been up to? Because I mean I know because we do talk, so I know all the amazing things you're doing. Can you share with the rain drops what you've been up to? Because you are somebody that they still ask about whenever I do a podcast like can you bring Claudia back? So I want you to have the time to update. That goes to cat to child. So it's her feet fixed?

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Bait?

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Speaker 4: My fee have been fixed for a couple of years now.

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Speaker 3: And I actually went with Mimi to the same doctor and MEI just got her feet fixed. What was wrong with she had bunions. She had bunions, so they shaved the bone down. Wait till you see the job that doctor Wagner did at Jaws the Dietary down in Florida. He hooked her up like it is amazing. Actually, I sent you a message because he needs a show like like doctor Pumble Popper, my feet are killing me. He needs a show like it's so amazing what he does. He changed my life because you know, I was shamed to death for revealing my feet on Housewives. I only did it because my storyline was going to be I was gonna fix it on your show. But them I found out how brutal the you know, how barbaric the surgery was.

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Speaker 4: So I said, oh my god, forget it. But it was too late. Y'all already had the footage.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to say, y'all are because in the show and I have to just tell one industry secret. Whoever edited made the corns look way darker and worse in the pictures. I went on on the video than what it wasn't real life because people see me in real life they're.

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Speaker 4: Like, oh, they played you.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I know, they want to look darker. Yes, my mother was like really. I was like, I know, mom, but it's okay. I'm gonna fix some ten years later, and I did.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, Claudia, somebody said foot edge. You know what, my feet are?

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Speaker 4: Cute?

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Speaker 3: Now they go right in your boyfriend's mouth. Oh feet, Well they're a little ashy, so let me not do that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they better though.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's what and that's why it matters, Claudia. That's why.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I've been.

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Speaker 3: Doing a lot of movies I have a theatrical release coming out. It's called Run. It's a horror film. It's amazing. Dreuici Door, isn't it? Annie Alonza, Erica Pinkett, Erica Meta myself. It is a really good Marcus Houston. It's a dope movie. It's in theaters across America this summer's calling Run.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I just have played another lead in another movie, The Handyman. I was in every scene. Uh, that's gonna come out soon.

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Speaker 4: Just a lot of films.

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Speaker 3: I have a podcast with Erica Cobb called Accidentally Informed.

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Speaker 2: It's really good, by the way.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna shift to do it weekly, to do it on hot more topical. So we're gonna go live on Wednesday, So just go to our YouTube channel. And we're just trying to build that. So just a lot of little things, remodeling my house.

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Speaker 4: Been really busy. You know, life is good, traveling.

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Speaker 2: You know, are you dating anybody?

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Speaker 4: No? I have been celibate for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy wasting all this good vagina. So on that note, but doesn't sweat out with me in my last book, like you know, dustin't seem you know.

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Speaker 1: Wait, the one that was in the sports industry.

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Speaker 4: With a coach, but because you know, it's okay, okay, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: But I have met the coach.

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Speaker 5: He was cool. Yeah, we made we hung out with a few times, but.

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Speaker 3: No one, no boyfriend since I just dated like one person since then.

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Speaker 4: But I keep my personal very very very very very low.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think people make a lot of rumors because I don't really say what it really is.

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Speaker 4: It's very on the low.

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Speaker 3: Like I just let people think, oh, she can't get a man, she sleeps with cats. I kind of like to play that character, like, yeah, yeah, I can't get a man. I do have a crush on someone right now, but this person doesn't know yet, so I haven't like, let this person know.

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Speaker 4: I do have a crush on someone.

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Speaker 6: I know who it is, and they're gonna look so good together too, because they're going to me, they're gonna be Okay, is he an actor?

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Speaker 4: No, actors are crazy?

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 2: Is he in the industry?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: No, not not TV and movies and stuff like that. I haven't met yet. I'm just manifesting it.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, you have too, you just don't know it.

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Speaker 1: Cool because I was thinking about Aaron Pierre. You guys look good together.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's fine, but he's with my girl, Tianna Taylor, and they look sexy together.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think so is that.

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Speaker 5: They did a soft launch.

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Speaker 4: They did a soft launch.

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Speaker 5: That's what the headlines read today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Tianna Taylor confirms her relationship with Aaron pa That's a beautiful couple.

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Speaker 4: They probably have some good ass sex too.

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Speaker 5: She don't miss because her any minds.

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Speaker 4: You know she's anyone because I love her. I'm a fan.

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Speaker 5: How can you look bad next to you?

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Speaker 6: Got to be an ugly motherfucker look bad next to Tianna Taylor.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's why my next man, I think I want somebody.

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Speaker 4: Who are you gonna take to the game?

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Speaker 1: Carlos, Well, I realized I can't take anybody to the game because the rain drops saw me on TV Claudia if it took a screenshot and putting on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: But thankfully with a girl.

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Speaker 4: Oh I saw that.

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Speaker 3: But you wanted to take a guy though, I was going.

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Speaker 2: To take this guy to a game for our first date.

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Speaker 6: That would have been a fun first day court sight at the game. That's that's I like.

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Speaker 5: First days like this one.

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Speaker 6: So it ain't even that. He just ain't sitting nowhere else. That's all it is. That's just what he said. If you're gonna go to the game with him, you get to then sit courtside as well, because this nigga ain't gonna sit in the wheld, said the Republican.

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Speaker 5: That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: X Claudia.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you too, are hair because we get to recap the real.

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Speaker 2: Of Atomic Part three re union.

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Speaker 1: It was many things that happened, and I want to start off with Mia Thornton.

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Speaker 5: Who, yeah, who cares that she left? Who gives a fuck?

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Speaker 6: I didn't get was that was so that fell so flat and it was so monotone for.

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Speaker 5: Me, me, oh, you call me a bad mother?

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Speaker 6: And then she's walking out with all the dramatics and then black shades on. See it get on because as you can see, that reunion roll right on along without her and everything. Actually, the reunion got better once she left because we started getting real deal receipts, pulled out, real time receipts, actual you know, participation from the ladies on stage. After that that made sense. They weren't doing nothing but playing ping pong with me at the whole time. Anyway, Giselle, uh, Wendy, who else was tagging me? Is that everybody? So when it was time for her to go, shit, I was happy she left. Not in a negative way. I'm just saying I was glad to wrap all that up, you know what I'm saying. I was happy to wrap all that up.

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Speaker 4: I watched it today, and you know, I got admitted.

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Speaker 3: Ever since I have been on a show like that and long, I haven't really watched a lot of reality shows like that. But I did watch the reunion, and I think Potomac the times I have watched is a good I think it's the best one of all the shows right now.

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Speaker 5: I really do for sure.

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Speaker 4: I was like, damn, they are mean, Like I would hate me. I was like, oh my god, Like what.

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Speaker 3: Like on Atlanta they would have been fighting probably, you know, it would have been some hair driving or something, but they was really like going at it. And I was like, oh my god, I do not envy that. But it was fun to watch. But me, I think she should have stayed. You know, I think with to be called the bad mother, I'm sure that's painful, but you're you've been on.

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Speaker 4: The show long enough to know what that's the leap of it, Like, come on, you gotta be able to expect that on going.

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Speaker 3: You had always have one in the talk, Like when I would do a show, I'd always have Okay, this person might company, I'm gonna have three things for you, you know, just the top of the top of mind in case you.

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Speaker 1: Wait, paused the cause because this is the thing that oh, I love my podcast is because it's so like inside Baseball but some shit.

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Speaker 2: So listen, I know how some of the reality.

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Speaker 1: Girls work, right, they definitely have information in their arsenal that they choose to keep until you get clopped. So, Claudia, when you were doing reality television, would you have information in back your mind that would be like I'm not gonna say anything, but the bumma you tried me, I'm going to reveal it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely ablutely, like it's it's in politics. They like to call it opposition research, Like you know, you just have to do a little too.

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Speaker 4: In case anyone want to get froggy. I never start anything in my entire life.

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Speaker 3: As an areas, we don't start anything, but we are very good at finishing it.

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Speaker 4: It's so good that people think you came on.

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Speaker 5: There with a motive.

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Speaker 4: No, you have a couple like.

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Speaker 3: Just do just get a little bit of info so if they comf you, you have something, so you don't just sit there like a gear in the headlights.

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Speaker 5: But this, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 4: Called the united Place, Baith, It's called the big.

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Speaker 5: Joker, big joker. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: It's also called being around a whole bunch of opts, right, like, if you with your friends, you're not thinking, okay, well let me keep this in the chamber in case me and this person argue.

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Speaker 5: You don't even have those sort of thoughts. But if you're on some.

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Speaker 6: People you don't know and who they have the propensity to start some shit, then yeah, I mean those starts are just gonna come to me anyway, because our Craig jokes for a living, So you know what I'm saying. I'm already on that. You know what I'm saying. So if you are and I then we really can just go there. So that's airy shit, though, Claudia, you know, it's just we're not sensitive like that.

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Speaker 5: We can go rule by the head.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have always.

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Speaker 2: So do you really okay, Claudia.

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Speaker 1: You being a former real housewife, you know how the sausage is made. Did you think it was a bad luck for Mia. It's one thing to leave.

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Speaker 2: The set, right to have a breakdown in your dressing room.

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Speaker 1: Mia left the actual building, changed clothes, hopped in her black car and never came back. You being a former housewife, was that a bad thing to do?

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Speaker 4: Not that I have a lot of experience because people loved to remind me I was a what I was only off of one season?

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Speaker 3: Yes you still talk about it eighteen years later, but yes, I think you should. I understand because I remember getting emotional on the next fifteen. There was a lot of things that were like people come at me from all directions, and it was very hard.

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Speaker 4: Matter of fact, I was late to the.

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Speaker 3: Reunion because I didn't want to do it, but I did have an obligation to finish my story out and let the fans know, like what the you know, put a button on it. You know.

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Speaker 4: I think if she didn't want to be around those ladies, then do your reunion from your dressing room.

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Speaker 3: Will you you at least give something from the dress room where you can say something, because leaving like that, you know, leaving like that, you kind of leave it up for everyone else to write your story for you and you really have no say and you just have to deal with it and just go on social media. Actors, I think she could have stayed and maybe responded from her dressing room.

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Speaker 4: You know. I think people think in the moment, like this is I'm gonna eat this and just walk out. You know.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever like made a grand exit and you're thinking like they're gonna come after.

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Speaker 4: You, like wait, wait, wait, and they don't.

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Speaker 5: You're like, oh shit, that ain't never happened to me. God damn it. No, hell no, that's never happened to me.

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Speaker 6: But it did happen to Mia, just like you're saying, nobody cared and it's so funny. There was some headlines circulating when they were filming the reunion that there was a rumor about some sort of physical altercation that didn't happen, or at least wasn't shown on camera. If it did, I don't believe it happened because I haven't seen anything else other than those rumors, right, But those rumors made headlines. The fact that Mia actually left the reunion did not Oh so I think that shows you how anticlimactic it was. And I don't think she had nothing else in her. It's very easy to say, all right, you went too far, so now I'm done with this shit when you don't have nothing else to offer because you didn't got caught busted and slapped in the face with the truth around every corner you turn.

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Speaker 5: She ain't have nothing else to give. She had to get the fuck out of there.

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Speaker 6: And I think she was uncomfortable in that dress because them feathers that had to be tickling and itching, you know.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I know the air was on in there in that room, and them damn feathers rubbing up against you and shit and me always looked like she finished sneeze anyway.

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Speaker 3: Off.

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Speaker 6: She had to take that ship off, you know what I'm saying. That's why she left. She was sicking in closed, That's.

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Speaker 5: What it was. Carls.

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Speaker 4: Do you not get your whole check if you don't finish the reunion?

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good ques.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is okay As a journalist, I'm not being shitty.

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Speaker 4: I really was with the newspaper for a while in RDA.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, you're a real adrenaline care not at your journaling stuff. He else, So Chlodia asking me, do you not get your whole check when you're not a reunion?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So, and that's a great question for the audience.

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Speaker 1: When you film a reality show, you get paid per episode, right, So because Mia was in every episode, she did get paid because she was in these episodes. Now granted she was in five minutes of the episode, but the moment your face appears in the episode, you do get paid for your your full episodic rate. So Mia did get paid. And I want to say this. I want to say that, and I'm gonna keep it real. Y'all know, I love Mia. I call her mabe lyon and I did feel like.

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Speaker 2: Me I had a lot of potential.

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Speaker 1: One thing I will say is I Carlos King obviously was very disappointed that she left the building, right because this is this is this is how I feel and and and doesn't Claudia, I would love for you guys to comment about this too.

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Speaker 2: To be the star or the queen bee or.

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Speaker 1: The force multiplier of a reality show, you gotta take the good with the good and the bad with the bad.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy, and that goes with any position in life, whether you're a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: A doctor, what marketing, whatever your job is. When you are at the top of your game, you're going to get attacked. You're going to get attacked.

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Speaker 1: And this is something that because me and Claudia are friends in real life, and me and Claudia spoke by this my podcast when she was a guest. She is one of the few people who've been on twice. That's how iconic he is, so listen to it.

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Speaker 2: But Claudia the next fifteen Claudia was not going to come to the reunion.

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Speaker 1: And one thing I love about my girls, if they feel some kind of way, I always say to them, if it's that bad, call me, call me. To her credit, Claudia called me and said it's too much. I can't take it. She and I had a conversation. Claudia came in and delivered. Claudia delivered that reunion right. And being a reality star is not easy. You're getting judge every single week that parlays in two days, often because of your appearance. And I believe in Mia and I'm being honest. I know a star when I see one. I believe in Mia. Now I am disappointed only because I know that Miya has what it takes.

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Speaker 2: And I wish that Mia.

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Speaker 1: Would do what some of the other girls do and they call me before the reunion anyway, I wish that Mia would have would have done what Claudia did, which is sort of like, I gotta sit through this and it's one of those things. And I want this to be a message to anybody who's at the top of their game in their job.

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Speaker 2: When you are at the.

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Speaker 1: Top, people are going to try to drag you to the bottom, and the worst thing you can do is satisfy them by doing what Mia did. That I just didn't like, which is left the entire building because for me, Claudia is right in terms of that stage.

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Speaker 2: You're going to get pop pa pa, pa pal, but you have.

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Speaker 1: To be able to withstand it. And I know Mia has it in her. I know she does. I'm sad she left, and what's sad about it? And this I'm gonna be very very very honest here, very honest. What's said about Mia leaving is two things.

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Speaker 3: For me.

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Speaker 1: One, I always tell people this, the show must go on. And Dustin Ross is right. The show went on and this is no shade. The show was great. It was, it was, it was, It was actually funny, and I enjoyed the entire reunion. So that's number one. Never think that you're irreplaceable. Nobody on God's Green Earth should think that, like we all are replaceable.

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Speaker 2: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, I felt bad for Mia because now I'm like, Mia will go down in history as the first housewife who left the reunions building building, not just left like or then show up.

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Speaker 2: She left the building.

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Speaker 1: And it's sad because I'm like, where does she go from here?

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Speaker 2: And that's that's my concern for her. I love Mia. I hope that Mia is able.

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Speaker 1: To sit back and see the rammifications of that and do right by it.

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Speaker 2: But I love me. Some mea down, but I'm being honest. I was disappointed.

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Speaker 3: It's a lost opportunity to like because now we're left to assume, well, where were the worst things that she didn't want out? You know, like, what else was there? Was she afraid something I was gonna get spilled?

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Speaker 4: It's so hard And does I know areas we talked.

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Speaker 3: About this, I know I'm built for me versus a thousand people and it is a very scary thing and it sucks to feel like it's you versus the world. But I promise you, miya, when you get to the other side of that, like very little things will phase you. And you know, I don't care what anybody.

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Speaker 4: Else says I was.

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Speaker 3: I'm never I've never been one of the girls on the clique. I've always been on my own. I've had a stand on business and have an unpopular opinion about things.

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Speaker 4: But god damn it.

00:20:53
Speaker 3: I believe in my intelligence and I believe in my integrity, and if I feel I am right, then I'm not going anywhere. Y'all don't have to go around me and MEA.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she was full of shit, Claudia. She did not have integrity to stand on. She was talking sitting up there, trying to defend some lies and some really gross behavior, some behavior that rigged gross on the television. You can't get around that unless you step right into it. Yo, this is the truth. Here's how I feel about this, and then people can begin to empathize with you, understand you, relate with you, and.

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Speaker 5: Connect with you.

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Speaker 6: We all watched that, and that's why they were just bouncing her ping pong right across the fucking stage all damn day because she was not bringing anything substantive or real.

00:21:39
Speaker 5: And that's the difference.

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Speaker 6: You can stand on your shit because you're telling the truth about whatever you're talking about, and the opinion that you're defending is founded in something. Me was sitting up there just talking shit and saying she was sorry when she really wasn't sorry. So she was playing a game that there was no end game for she was. It was just a lose situation. That's why I was like, gone, you know.

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Speaker 5: And when she didn't know, I don't know that about her.

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Speaker 3: I know I picked in the show before and I was like, Wow, that girl has a lot going on, and like Carlo says, the potential to really be the start because she had she had so much drama that was like, okay, she gonna be.

00:22:14
Speaker 1: She had the first Listen, I told you all this tea already.

00:22:18
Speaker 2: The first chair is important. To have the first chair.

00:22:24
Speaker 5: It is a reward two years in a row.

00:22:28
Speaker 2: Wow, let me tell you something, baby.

00:22:31
Speaker 1: To have the first chair two years in a row is a reward of like you, that girl, We're gonna we have to we have.

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Speaker 2: To give it up and and and.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm disappointed, because I know it's tough, and it's very tough, but when you want to be the top dog in any situation, and that's why it's a life rule, you have to know when you're at the top, you're going to get attacked. And it's one thing that Denzel Washington told Will Smith the night of the Oscar slap. He said, at your highest, be careful. That's when the double comps and want to you when you down.

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Speaker 3: And out And in second place, no one attacks losers. No one attacks you when you last. No one attacks the bumb no one attacks when.

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Speaker 4: You itce a run track. First place was a blue ribbon, second place was a red ribbon.

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Speaker 3: And third place was white, and after that was all these abstract pastels and purple and lavender and baby blue, and one about the person that gets the orange ribbon. So if they're coming for you, they're coming for you for a reason.

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Speaker 4: So just know that.

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Speaker 6: Mia is disappointing for me because she has everything it takes to be a success on the show. That's why they keep putting her in that first seat chair. But she's fucking it up with the games, and that's what the problem is for the fans, at least for this fan.

00:23:49
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, just keep it real.

00:23:51
Speaker 6: We would love to see her and Gordon figure shit out for real, for real, whether that means them staying together or get a divorce. But the game playing and the line and shit is what makes it repulsive.

00:24:03
Speaker 5: I think that's.

00:24:04
Speaker 3: That's a frustrating thing about reality TV when half of y'all are really putting it on the table and being honest, and then people over here, yes, he blew up the spot. People over here being fake, lying, being fake, religious, fake, rich, fake hat and everything, and you're being honest, and then you end up getting criticized or coming being kind of misunderstood or dragged for your realness. Because I'm telling y'all, reality TV audiences, y'all have been so trained to celebrate the fake because there's so much of it that is to frustrated me, especially around some of these Southern gals that really be trying to use religion that is to really pissed me off, because it'd be o fake, and that would be a way to kind of mask the deviant behavior sometimes, you know, and there'd be a lot of lying. I'm like, just you, I promise you, you'd be more interesting if you just cap a.

00:24:52
Speaker 4: Buck about what you really are like.

00:24:54
Speaker 3: Because how can you maintain that false image? And that's not just people in reality, that's people in general. Like people like to quote God, quote the Bible and make that's gonna make us forget about all your affairs or all your frinds, your debauchery, you know.

00:25:07
Speaker 6: That's or do whatever they want, whatever kind of file trifling shit they want to do, for years and years and years and then just decide, Oh, I'm giving my life over to the Lord and I'm fin to judge all y'all, and y'all gotta don't worry about what I did. Look where I'm at now. No, it don't work like that. Integrity is something that you are that's proven through time and circumstances and shit like.

00:25:27
Speaker 5: So, I don't know.

00:25:28
Speaker 6: That was kind of people irritate me too, Yeah, that was my problem with that. That's why I'm not excited about Faeder coming back to Atlanta. Not excited at all. And unless somebody is going to call her to the carpet for that candy shit from season nine, I don't want to hear anything she has to say.

00:25:42
Speaker 3: I'm going to vack you up on that because every time I've been afraid to say stuff because I feel like when I do, for some reason, just because I was on the show for one season, I'm not allowed to say as much as a fan can say.

00:25:52
Speaker 4: Fuck that and fuck y'all. I'm gonna speak on it.

00:25:55
Speaker 3: I feel you on that because I think she's one of the main people that I think was very phony, very fake, but she.

00:26:00
Speaker 4: It is good television because of that.

00:26:01
Speaker 3: She's when you are willing to say or do anything on reality TV. It's it does make you a star in reality But I just feel like a lot of times people get positively reading negatively, we positively reinforced and negative behavior with contracts, with money, with bookings, with adoration because it entertains us. But then people are not really held accountable for really vicious things that they do. And I don't think that's right, you know, And I think people keep getting rewarded for doing function and what's the motivational stot.

00:26:32
Speaker 6: And see you've spent time with Phaedra specifically, since we're talking about her, I'm speaking just from a viewer of the show. That was an open ended situation that we never got closure on, and we then went on to see her have a real time, real life fall out with Candy.

00:26:49
Speaker 5: We went on to.

00:26:49
Speaker 6: See Phaedra after a few years, well about five six years she was away, and then we saw her. She came on to Traders, and then she got danced with the stars, and then she got married to medicine or whatever order that went in, and now she's back on Housewives of Atlanta, right, But we've never gotten closer to that situation that she exited the show from, and I am it's hard for me to connect with her just stepping back in and we getting to the bottom of her saying that you know what I'm saying and telling those lies. That's something that should be addressed on that show so that the story can continue appropriately.

00:27:26
Speaker 5: And I really had somebody I agree.

00:27:27
Speaker 3: With that like what like nothing, Okay, let me take a step back, live before I be accused of being a hater, because I'm not. Okay, redemption people deserve to have second chances, whatever I guess, but but I think, like to your point, I think it would be great and it would be defend that explain it put a button on that as well, and then we move forward. But to just ignore something main reason for your exit and to not address it and to let you back on, I think that's where it kind of leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. Child.

00:28:01
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well, let me ask you guys this because you know, one thing that happened on Potomac in this episode two was this sort of like shocking revelation right that even me watching it, I was shocked that I was talking for a couple of reasons. But I want to get you guys thoughts on it too, because to me, it's sort of like what's the integrity of reality television? Right like at this point, sort of like what is going to happen if you're allowed to get away with this? So one thing that occurred on Potomac was this revelation.

00:28:57
Speaker 2: So Claudia, I know you're catching up on this.

00:28:59
Speaker 1: So stay sees a new housewife who gives you Kenya Moore tease just like tall beautiful. She's from Detroit as well, not a shade assassin because Kenya can read the motherfucker bone book right, very smart and Kenya is actually smart right, very smart. Thank you, so, long story short, Stacey's a new housewife. Stacey had this best friend on the show that a lot of people question whether not the relationship was real. They questioned the validity of this relationship and it was something Claudia that was constant, do you know what I mean in terms of like me and Dusk would talk about like there's something off about it.

00:29:43
Speaker 2: Fast forward to the reunion.

00:29:45
Speaker 1: This is episode twenty Claudia twenty episodes in of people having these speculations. It's Denver build On Part three, TJ, who was facetimed by the husband's on the show, Claudia asking where you at, bro Well, I am there.

00:30:03
Speaker 2: She didn't. Stacey didn't want me there.

00:30:05
Speaker 1: She owes me my name, and then it was sort of like and listen, I'm gonna say this and I.

00:30:11
Speaker 2: Want you guys to cook.

00:30:14
Speaker 1: When it was presented to Stacey that TJ alleged that she paid him, I'm just being very honest. It was hard for me to believe Stacy for one reason alone.

00:30:33
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna keep it real.

00:30:35
Speaker 1: If you lie on me, If I'm a reality star, Claudia and Dustin. I've given my whole life to this show. I'm used to cameras being around me. I'm used to a microphone on my back, and I'm used to y'all telling my real reality. Right with this person, not my cousin, y'all don't know, not my not this friend I went to middle school with. We're talking about somebody I brought on the show. If this person I brought on the show and I'm a reality star lied on me, I am picking up my phone in real time calling them.

00:31:11
Speaker 2: When these ladies gave her the opportunity to.

00:31:13
Speaker 1: Do that, I was like, Stacy, I love you, down, says me and be lying Stacey be lying I'm.

00:31:23
Speaker 6: Sorry, Yeah, I agree. But now I also want to make note of this. All season long, TJ was adamant about abstaining from sex with Stacy and him wanting to not be intimate with her, and he related that to a correlated that to his faith.

00:31:43
Speaker 5: It was a faith based decision for him.

00:31:45
Speaker 6: Right, he was saying, and his love of guy right, right, but no follow me, follow me right. But when Eddie and them called him backstage, TJ got on that phone talking like me that fake ass, showing him fake ass for the fucking p and Cussin talking about exposing the fact that, according to him, his presence there was paid you know what I'm saying by Stacy, which shows like, you know, just just deceit and things that are not are typically associated with the Christian faith. So I don't know what to believe, because I definitely felt like Stacey was lying on that couch, and she continued to lie allegedly on Watch What Happens Live because she doubled down on it. However, TJ went live today. I saw this, you know, when I was prepping for the show. He went live today saying he had just landed somewhere and he was playing coy and saying that maybe it's time for me to drop some breaking news.

00:32:39
Speaker 5: So he's eating up the.

00:32:39
Speaker 6: Spotlight like we all knew he would, and playing directly into the mess of all of this. I think they lying together, That's what I think. I think they both lying. I think that TJ is exaggerating something because he was a totally different nigga on that phone than he was during the season, totally different person, and I think that Stacey was less than honest I don't know about what, but I think she was less than honest when the shit hit the fan at that reunion because she wasn't prepared. And Stacey is a person that stepped on that reunion stage prepared for everything that was going to come her way. She was measured, she was prepared. That hit her from the side. She was blindsided by that. So I think they both.

00:33:20
Speaker 1: Waitlau before you go, because I'm actually gagin and I wanted.

00:33:25
Speaker 2: Him a Claudia.

00:33:26
Speaker 1: So Dustin, you think, I just want to be clear. You think TJ is lying about being paid to be on the show by Stacy, that's what you think.

00:33:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's exaggerated something in some way. If there was some money exchanged, I don't think that they sat down and had an agreement where she said you be in the show and I'll pay you to be here. I think he's exaggerating something that took place that he can frame as such because he wants more attention.

00:33:55
Speaker 5: The season's over and Stacey's not fucking with him.

00:33:59
Speaker 6: She's not giving him that access that he once had, So now he's going to get it by exposing things or dropping information or becoming a person who has some sort of some commodity, something of value to the media.

00:34:12
Speaker 5: That's what he's trying to do. Now. I don't give a damn about their relationship.

00:34:15
Speaker 6: They could have been button naked next to me right now and I'd be looking at y'all. However, people are interested in whether or not it was a real situation, and so they want to know he's playing the game and feeding just enough to keep people interested.

00:34:29
Speaker 5: In what he has to say.

00:34:31
Speaker 6: I don't know where he thinks he's going to go with that, but that's what he's doing. And Stacey is not telling the truth about something. I don't know what, but I just like you, Carlos, I sat there on that couch and it was a noticeable difference between the way she was presenting when Wendy dropped that bomb and pre prior to that, it was totally different.

00:34:50
Speaker 5: So I think there was something off in there.

00:34:52
Speaker 2: Claudia Jordan, what.

00:34:54
Speaker 3: Did I just say about the fake religious people. I know people think I'm talking about a certain one or two people on Housewives.

00:34:59
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the entire industry.

00:35:01
Speaker 3: I don't trust people that lead with that and then they do reality television. I feel like there's a lot of people that use that to trick they manipulate us. I think someone put religious or faith manipulation, using that to get people to think they're a certain way, but they're really not. Oh I'm abstaining from sex and not doing this. What niggain't fucking nowadays? You miss me with the bullshit that has access And also what person has to be paid to go on one of the hottest reality shows that's out there when people are on Instagram, Twitter, Twitch.

00:35:35
Speaker 4: TikTok, Facebook giving all their tea away for free, Miss me with that, bs.

00:35:42
Speaker 3: I do not believe that when I hear people say, oh, they paid them to be on the show with them, and you're a beautiful girl.

00:35:47
Speaker 4: Do you know how easy it is to get a nigga?

00:35:49
Speaker 6: And my thing is, even if she did so what, even if she did pay him so what, that would make me look at her any differently? In fact, that would make me be like, oh, she's smart because it's not personal. She found somebody who could just get the job done. That wouldn't even make me look at her in a weird way. So I wish she would just say that if that's true, Yeah, I found somebody.

00:36:09
Speaker 3: I do agree that there's something that she definitely was caught off guard.

00:36:12
Speaker 4: She wasn't ready for that like that they did not talk about that.

00:36:14
Speaker 3: But I also have a hard time believing people once you break up, because there's always the person you get with is not the person you break up with.

00:36:25
Speaker 4: How many of us have all been in love with.

00:36:27
Speaker 3: Someone that we would never in a million years think that they would say this, that, and the thought about us. But then they break you break up and they are a different human being. They line on you, they paying blogs, the post stories about you and make you look bad. Now you're an asshole, Now you're bad in bed, Now you're broke.

00:36:42
Speaker 4: But they were singing your praises before.

00:36:45
Speaker 3: So bitterness will change your opinion about someone. And so I don't believe. I want to know when y'all are in it, how y'all think about each other. But at the end we all mad at each other. I'm sorry, It's very easy to lie now. I'm not saying he's innocent.

00:37:00
Speaker 4: I don't really know.

00:37:01
Speaker 3: She definitely was caught up guard. There was something going on, But like, I don't know, were gonna believe people, And like Stacey made a good point, the entire season. Y'all want rocking with this dude. Y'all weren't feeling him. But now that that he's saying, bad's up about me, now you want to.

00:37:15
Speaker 5: See I got it?

00:37:16
Speaker 6: Okay, So listen, don't be presenting me with no alternative scenario to consider. Let me come to that conclusion on my own. I agree with that. You sound like trying to convince me. You know what I'm saying.

00:37:26
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll say this, and again, Stacey's a great housewife.

00:37:31
Speaker 2: She's great. I'm gonna tell you what doesn't help her.

00:37:34
Speaker 1: I'm being real. This guy is an actor. Claudia Jordan, he was. He was on Sister Sister to Tia Tamiroschelle.

00:37:46
Speaker 2: Because Claudia, you know this. Claudia knows this for real, Parrell.

00:37:49
Speaker 1: When you are on Housewives, or when you bring a dude on Housewives, the Housewives fans are going to find everything about this person, right who.

00:37:59
Speaker 5: Remember that guy side of the show.

00:38:00
Speaker 4: And I said, please, Carlos, do not because he's a fraud.

00:38:03
Speaker 2: Remember that I do. We'll talk after. So the thing is this, what doesn't help this? I'm just being real. He's an actor.

00:38:13
Speaker 1: He's an actor, So I'm gonna tell you three things that makes TJ believable to the audience and to me possibly right.

00:38:23
Speaker 2: Number one, he's an actor. He's an actor.

00:38:26
Speaker 1: And one thing we know about actors because you two are actors, you too are and SAG.

00:38:31
Speaker 2: And one thing you both know is people have to pay for your time. People have to pay your time.

00:38:37
Speaker 1: And if if it's my second point, if I'm out on camera kissing you, touching you, yeah, and we're talking about your divorce the whole time I'm there, something's off about that. Number two and number three, I'm gonna say this, What was the goal defining to me is if you believed in your heart of hearts that this person was somebody who you call your best friend. Like most paid gigs, the contract is up, so I believe this is my opinion. I believe. I believe allegedly that TJ was not in his contract allegedly paid for reunion services.

00:39:30
Speaker 2: I believe my opinion.

00:39:32
Speaker 1: I believe TJ fulfilled his duties for the season. And I believe based on based on Claudia and Dustin the amount of attention he received, he said yesterday's price and today's price, And I believe that TJ allegedly tried to negotiate a different rate, and Stacey allegedly would have said no, because my thing is this, Claudia, you were a housewife and you're a reality star. How convenient is it people break up when this season is over with and by the time the reunion happens, we're no longer together.

00:40:14
Speaker 4: Damn they really be paying people. Though maybe maybe they She asked them, come on, maybe not pay them.

00:40:20
Speaker 2: Reality TV ain't what it used to be. Go ahead and asked him.

00:40:23
Speaker 4: To, uh, you know, fake this with me. Maybe there was no money transact. I don't know. I don't now confuse both everybody made it.

00:40:31
Speaker 6: See Okay, that's where that that's where the pivot is for me. If they were, if they had a relationship, if they knew each other, I'll just say that right. If she knows TJ right, and she's like, hey, I'm about to film this show and I would love for you to film with me, you know, you know, it's just film together, kicking it or whatever and figuring out our relationship, and of course, you know, I'll pay you for your time type shit. I don't see anything wrong with that personally, And that being that coming out is not an XBO say to me her saying, hey, I don't know you stranger unless fake a relationship.

00:41:06
Speaker 5: Here's a fee to pretend to be my boyfriend. That's I'm gonna.

00:41:10
Speaker 2: Stop you there.

00:41:10
Speaker 1: And and I'm only saying this because they said it, because Claudia knows this. I have never once told Claudia's business. I don't tell my girl's business. I'm gonna say this only because they said it.

00:41:24
Speaker 2: Husband not all.

00:41:26
Speaker 1: Some husbands over housewives get ten percent of their wife's check.

00:41:32
Speaker 5: I don't see anything.

00:41:33
Speaker 6: I'm gonna tell you why don't I don't know. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what's different. I'm gonna tell you why.

00:41:38
Speaker 1: Peter and Cynthia had this conversation publicly that Cynthia Peter.

00:41:43
Speaker 2: Is her husband.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: Her husband, Okay, they had a conversation where when you're filming, right, Claudia, especially housewives, because that's that's like, you know, that's that's rue.

00:42:00
Speaker 2: You're dusting this. This is the reality.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: Your time is being taken away. You got away in the parking lot before you get called in. You gotta get mind so dustin. It does feel like a job. It really does. And that's the reason why Peter and Cynthia had a conversation. And Cynthia have to pay Peter, her husband to film. And what a lot of people don't know is a lot of the husbands get paid because they don't get paid for them the housewife because their time is being spent, their time is being taken away. And I'm gonna say this, and I love Stacy. I love Stacy down and Stacey is a great housewife. Without Tea, without TJ, what would Stacy talk about?

00:42:50
Speaker 5: I don't know, Carlos.

00:42:51
Speaker 6: I feel like Stacy brought a lot of new energy to that cast this season, and my favorite moments from her had nothing to do with her relationship with TJ.

00:43:00
Speaker 5: Favorite moments from her were her.

00:43:01
Speaker 6: Interacting with the ladies at that event, at the dog Ship event at the end of the season, her laughing at Ashley singing at the GNA event, her confessional scenes, her at the table scene when they went on that cash trip and she was and they were cocking me and Justine.

00:43:20
Speaker 5: That's don't give her and that man because I never was.

00:43:25
Speaker 2: That friend of tease. That's very much friend of Now I.

00:43:29
Speaker 5: Agree with you, Okay, we can agree that started.

00:43:33
Speaker 1: Off as a friend of and when she and when she became a housewife. After filming Claudia, we have to be like, well, she's a housewife, so we got any personal story. And that's why I always believe Claudia deserved a second chance because of those reasons. Everything was saying is true. Everything Stacey did was amazing. But that's why I said this. I'll say it again. I'll say it again.

00:43:56
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. I say again. That's why when.

00:43:58
Speaker 1: Claudia needed me and he had that moment in Puerto Rico, Niini said to me and another producer, y'all chose the wrong be Claudia deserves the peach.

00:44:08
Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna say, because to.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: Have that level of confidence and and and and stamina, the fact that they are all, the fact that the queen of reality television, the queen who I considered to be the greatest reality start of all time, the fact that she told us y'all made a mistake.

00:44:31
Speaker 2: Claudia needs the peach. Let's be clear.

00:44:35
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, I appreciate her saying that because I remember you all tell me.

00:44:39
Speaker 4: At the time, I was.

00:44:40
Speaker 3: Like, really, people thought we were really hating each other time, and really it wasn't. She was around me after that read in Puerto Rico, she got a stand next to Claudia.

00:44:47
Speaker 1: She well again again, I would like to say everything, but it's true, Nini. That's why it's two things. Dustin, You're right about Stacey. Everything's saying is right, But there is this thing where when you are a housewife, it's like, okay, besides the group scenes, girl, what are we getting from you at the crib? And that's why to me, I'm just being honest here. It is believable. I'm not saying Stacy's lying. I'm not saying teacher's line.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: I don't know. All I'm saying is believable.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: And the reason why I wanted to bring Claudia into this too is because when you start off as a friend of but you are like everything you said to Dustin, you're then the group scene. You give a comment, you give a facial expression, you throw a little shade. But when you are a mother, housewife, or baby, who's your mama.

00:45:38
Speaker 2: Where's your brother, who's your man? Where's your child? So that's why I.

00:45:43
Speaker 1: Can see Stacy feeling the need and I'm going in with this because her real husband, who she is married to, doesn't want her or her child on the show.

00:45:54
Speaker 5: Wait what, that's what we saw kids?

00:45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, Claudia, Stacy's married, she's going divorce though, and she has a beautiful daughter.

00:46:02
Speaker 2: None of them on the show.

00:46:04
Speaker 1: So when you that's why it's believable, because without all of those extra factors, she will be the Marlon Hampton of Potonemac A friend before got a pitch.

00:46:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of people, well a few people in the comments are talking about Stacy's dude and that they're questioning his sexuality.

00:46:26
Speaker 4: Has that ever been a thing?

00:46:27
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is now from me and Dustin because as listen, I'll say this listen as gay black man, it's dangerous to sort of out somebody is TJ's. It's TJ's decision to say whether or not he is.

00:46:45
Speaker 2: That's not for us to call out Claudia. Obviously.

00:46:47
Speaker 1: People are saying that that's why Eddie in this reunion used to work flamboyant.

00:46:55
Speaker 4: A little bit at him.

00:46:56
Speaker 5: I don't think.

00:46:56
Speaker 1: I don't think Adi was throwing share. I think Eddie was being careful in terms of life because the thing is that it's dangerous. It's dangerous. It's nothing more dangerous to out somebody than I am ready for it. And it's also dangerous to label anybody something they or not. So I just want to say that. So when it comes to that, that has been a topic conversation. But that's TJ's story to tell.

00:47:17
Speaker 2: From my listen.

00:47:18
Speaker 1: From my understanding, he has yet to talk about it, so I don't know. But what I'm saying is when it comes to whether or not he is or isn't, that to me is a mute point.

00:47:30
Speaker 2: The biggest point is whether or.

00:47:33
Speaker 1: Not this man was paid to be on the show, because Stacy did not have any personal story outside of TJ.

00:47:41
Speaker 4: Do you think men?

00:47:42
Speaker 3: Do you think the boyfriends and husbands on reality TV should get paid?

00:47:46
Speaker 4: You think that will help or hurt?

00:47:48
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question.

00:47:50
Speaker 1: The reason why I create a love and marriage is because I listen.

00:47:55
Speaker 2: I always felt that when it came to.

00:48:00
Speaker 1: Reality TV, in order for you to understand the woman, you also have to get to know her husband or her boyfriend, right, And I feel like, and this is my experience, the men they work season six, which will go down to history in the Guinness Book of World Records as the highest rated season of any Bravo show that was the main season.

00:48:23
Speaker 2: Claudia was a season before You got.

00:48:25
Speaker 1: On where the men were integral into the storyline. And that's the reason why that show that season was. That season is tense a plus across the board. You had apollow, Greg Leek's Rest in Peace. Todd, you had I'm missing other hell, Brandon, you had you, you, you, you had.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: You had the Christopher Christopher Williams, Oh.

00:48:51
Speaker 5: My god, that was you.

00:48:54
Speaker 2: You you, you had the p o B of men.

00:48:58
Speaker 1: Because we don't live in a world where it's just like one point of view, it's multiple. So I listen and I'll move on after this. If TJ got paid, I'm just being real. I don't blame him only because as a child actor that he was, he's only used to working for conversation and and and and to.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: Film a reality show is a lot of work. And I get it, and I get it, but but but.

00:49:35
Speaker 1: It also questions the integrity of this genre because it's one thing to say he's my best friend who I'm interested in, but it's one thing to not really reveal that there's something else going on that we may not know, so it's all confusing.

00:49:52
Speaker 5: That's that's the piece that's confusing.

00:49:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, Claudia, I think.

00:49:58
Speaker 4: They should be paid.

00:49:59
Speaker 3: I think it would avoid a lot of this because I get tired of this like and you hit this on so many shays, Oh they paid them to be there or and or you know, and all this kind of stuff.

00:50:06
Speaker 4: They should they are on part of the storyline.

00:50:08
Speaker 3: And then I think you'd also get more people willing to get on there because I remember towards the end of my season, well, at the end, y'all wanted me to come back with someone that I was talking to someone at the end and it wasn't worth it for him to risk stuff in his career because he had a very little successful and public career and there was no monetary, you know, payment for him. So it causes people to seek fake relationships and to have people come play the role because there's pressure to have someone right or you're the bitter cat lady that can't get a man. I think it probably help a lot in.

00:50:43
Speaker 6: My opinion, anybody working need to get paid straight up. So if I'm filming a show and the shit I have to say is a part of what the show is made of.

00:50:52
Speaker 5: I need to be paid. I don't see any problem with that.

00:50:55
Speaker 6: Everybody working to contribute to a project needs to be paid.

00:51:02
Speaker 2: Okay.

00:51:03
Speaker 1: Our last story of the night is the Grandam who you know I love her and you know Evanie k Williams started this this show by discussing Karen being sentenced to two years in jail one year suspended, which means she's been sentenced to one.

00:51:25
Speaker 2: Year in jail with the other year hanging over her head. She shall she do something wrong?

00:51:30
Speaker 5: Right?

00:51:31
Speaker 2: So there was a theme that played at the end.

00:51:34
Speaker 1: Of this reunion that made me feel sad. And I'm gonna explain to you guys why Agrey Child. That made me feel sad because there's this thing going on that has been said on Twitter for years about a rehearse read right, and that a lot of people you can tell when the reees rehearse because they step on their words and it's never it's never delivered. So this to me, watching Karen and Ray felt like a rehearsed scene because as I was watching it in real time, this is when the producer side of me clicks in and I wonder if my audience saw this too, So Claudia and Dustin would love to get your thoughts. And I'm like, is this me as a viewer or is this me as a producer. The way you could tell a scene feels rehearsed is if every single point has hit where the two people talking. It's sort of like a tennis match where where they they give you a you know, ally who basketball, they give you a word, You take it.

00:52:50
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

00:52:52
Speaker 1: So the conversation between Ray and Karen the rehearse to me, and by rehearse, guys, what I mean is this that they talked about it. They said, let's let's drive these points home, the medication, the antidepressants, the beer. And then I got this because of that, no one talks like that in real life. And I felt sad because for me, it was one of those things where I'm like, raise the good man, Savannah.

00:53:23
Speaker 2: I just felt bad because I felt sad. I'm sorry.

00:53:26
Speaker 1: I felt sad because I'm like, I wonder if there's any sort of accountability that's going to happen, because I think that's I think that's.

00:53:36
Speaker 2: The way for you to win in the end. And I didn't see that in that scene to.

00:53:41
Speaker 6: Me me either, and that scene for first of all, had I been producing that scene, I would have cut the cameras and had a full stop meeting with Karen and Ray right then and been like, we can't turn that in.

00:53:55
Speaker 5: Y'all are being real. If we're going to do.

00:53:57
Speaker 6: This, we need to show the reality of what's going on your household right now, because that ain't it.

00:54:02
Speaker 5: Karen looked beautiful. I'll say that.

00:54:04
Speaker 6: She looks stunning in that white cable knit, you know, sweater dress. Her hair look good, She looked good. You know, I feel bad for Ray. It don't feel good to watch an eighty some year old man who really just want to be sitting down somewhere watching CBS, drinking some coffee, you know what I'm saying.

00:54:21
Speaker 5: Being old, that's all you want to do. But he has to be.

00:54:24
Speaker 6: Out at court, pulling up to recks on the side of the road, trying to you know, he's still having to think like a younger man and think quick on his feet and come up with scenarios and schemes and shit in the moment. That's too much for him at that station in life, right and work, he's retired. Karen has put him in several situations now because they're married. It was hard to see that, You're right, that was not a natural conversation between the two of them. Karen was trying to say face and it made her look even worse. And what it showed me was that Karen don't even get it. She still don't get it at whatever point that scene was filmed that it had not clicked in Karen's mind that it is time to literally abort mission, be fully accountable, and get this shit over with. She was still trying to be persuasive in that scene and add details to try to sway public opinion when it's impossible to do that. So that was sad to see. I want Karen to go to jail and come home. I'm ready for her to get that ship over with. Come out of jail, get on the Zimpie, be a fashion week, you know what I'm saying, at front row with her daughter and have that comeback arc and when she come out of jail, Karen can go into her bag.

00:55:35
Speaker 5: But I guess.

00:55:36
Speaker 2: Stewart, did you know what I mean?

00:55:38
Speaker 5: Like a woman?

00:55:40
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Get with that stylist that was working with fantaso.

00:55:46
Speaker 5: And that that's doing. Get with him, get.

00:55:50
Speaker 6: Your ass to fashion Week in Paris, in New York and Milan, get on the scene, Karen, and just you know, try to have a comeback era of sobriety. You know what I'm mean saying looking good and just being present because we'll be happy to have you back. We'll be happy to see you once you take real accountability for this and just get it the fuck over with. But that lion shit her and Ray did in that video did not help at all.

00:56:12
Speaker 5: Great.

00:56:13
Speaker 4: I think those are all fantastic. I agree with a lot everything you said.

00:56:16
Speaker 3: I will say this, you know, I do think, okay, how much of that was them with the self rehearsal, pre planned stuff, or how much it was a negotiation with producers I'll do this scene, but or maybe they had talking points, because you do sometimes get points that you do need to hit when you go into a scene. Let's just keep it, okay, that is the thing now, the producer, I'm telling you what to say, but there's certain things like benchmarks you do have to hit. I don't know if that was I just wish. I will say this, Karen, you know, I try to like always have a little bit of empathy with people like that have gone through a lot. But at this point, on your fourth guy, you put a lot of people's lives at risk, and you have gotten a lot of privilege and grace, you really have, and you could have killed people even one minute of driving drunk like that the way she was sloppy drunk, sloppy?

00:57:07
Speaker 4: Have I am I perfect?

00:57:08
Speaker 3: Have I ever taken a chance on a ride home where I'm like not sure?

00:57:11
Speaker 5: Yes?

00:57:12
Speaker 4: And I'll never do it again. I will not do it again.

00:57:14
Speaker 3: I seen horrific carr because we love, like in our friends circle, we lost someone recently that tried it.

00:57:20
Speaker 4: I'll never do it.

00:57:20
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

00:57:22
Speaker 3: It wasn't someone I was in my friend's circle, like a friend of a friend, and I just saw a young life that did not have to take that risk. And Karen, you're on your fourth one. You were given passive.

00:57:37
Speaker 4: If I was.

00:57:37
Speaker 3: Granted so many passes, I'd feel like, all right, let me not tempt fake.

00:57:40
Speaker 4: But I think what it does, it does the opposite.

00:57:42
Speaker 3: It makes you feel invincible, and having no accountability does create a monster. That's kind of what we've been talking about. It does create monsters that seemed definitely did feel fake, and I just wish. I think a lot of people that are on television it's hard for them to.

00:57:55
Speaker 4: Really let go. You're on reality, but are you really letting go?

00:57:58
Speaker 3: And Carlos, you know, with certain people it's been like pulling teeth right to get them to just forget the cameras there, really be real and not try to self produce. Self producing has made some reality shows whack, like get there, Talk, breakless, be ugly, don't have your perfect makeup, don't have the three sets of lashes, ugly cry.

00:58:17
Speaker 4: I fucked up. I fucked up. I'm taking out it all. I'm taking this. I'm taking that for whatever your reasons are.

00:58:23
Speaker 3: I'm not saying whenever your drug of choices and just leave it on the table. Have you not seen all the examples of other people who have fucked up? So people welcome Mike Tyson back in after raping a black girl more than you know what I mean, Like there is redemption, people still cap but r.

00:58:40
Speaker 4: Kelly, there are people who still like Diddy.

00:58:43
Speaker 3: So I'm saying the public can be forgiving. It's all in the way you handle it. If you come to us dirt like ugly cry and keep it a buck and don't try to give us some fake ass scene.

00:58:55
Speaker 4: People are gonna be.

00:58:56
Speaker 3: Quicker to get to that point of forgiving you and saying, all right, man, layoff, let's forgive because black people are very forgiving people.

00:59:04
Speaker 4: And give her another chance.

00:59:05
Speaker 3: But you may get a little harder when you kind of think we're stupid, you know.

00:59:08
Speaker 4: And I do feel bad at the hall, but he looks so damn stressed out.

00:59:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just wanted to say.

00:59:14
Speaker 6: All them scenes when he was filming in the backyard on that patio furniture and them chase lounges and shit, he was happier when you saw him relaxing and resting, you know what I'm saying. He was a happier man. So, you know, Ray just want to take it easy. He's in that stage.

00:59:30
Speaker 3: Car high and he cannot afford it, like his the eyes look tired. His eyes look tired, and he should be. That's a lot of drama for a young person.

00:59:38
Speaker 4: Imagine that.

00:59:38
Speaker 3: It's hard for It's hard for a young person in those scenarios.

00:59:42
Speaker 5: Imagine being imagine poor Ray. You know what I'm saying. Karen was drunk.

00:59:47
Speaker 6: Can you imagine Karen Hue are coming home drunk and you eighty some years old. Can you imagine what that's like. That's got to be a lot to deal with, you know what I'm saying. Ray, that house was quiet. You know she was pulling up at twelve thirty, one thirty o'clock in the morning after the bar clos.

01:00:01
Speaker 5: Ray was good and sleep and when.

01:00:03
Speaker 4: Women want she probably was like, I give me the dirty Ray.

01:00:14
Speaker 5: So we got to roll over and put your glasses on and shouldn't get up. You know what I'm saying. It's just an interruption overall.

01:00:20
Speaker 1: So well, no, so I'll say this much. I'll say this much. This was a great reunion. I I love seeing the ladies have fun. I thought this was Gizelle's best reunion.

01:00:33
Speaker 2: She was on fire. She looked great.

01:00:36
Speaker 5: She she she she was amazing.

01:00:39
Speaker 2: Doctor Wendy was fantastic.

01:00:41
Speaker 6: This were you, Dustin? She ran that stage all three parts Wendy.

01:00:47
Speaker 1: She Claudia, I'm gonna introduce you to Wendy because Johny could do something together.

01:00:52
Speaker 3: I have so much respect for her, love how she used her platform and speak out politically.

01:00:56
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a political nerd. I love that about Yeah, chef is to you. I love a smart girl, Yes.

01:01:02
Speaker 6: Doctor educated, beautiful, got the family has all the elements and yeah.

01:01:08
Speaker 1: Now, so I want to give a shout out to I think. I think, like all Star Games, we get the MVP. I think Giselle and Doctor Wendy deserve the MV the MVP award this reunion. They were spectacular the moment the show started, all the way back from part one.

01:01:27
Speaker 2: So shout out to them. Dustin A. Claudia. This has been amazing and fun so much.

01:01:35
Speaker 3: We need to hang out more.

01:01:38
Speaker 4: I'm in Dallas, I'm back home. I'll be here until I'm on I'm on tour with.

01:01:42
Speaker 3: The play Games Women Play. It's a Jakarrie's Johnson play. So we're going to be in Houston the thirteenth through the sixth, fourteenth through the sixteenth, so we have a bunch of cities.

01:01:50
Speaker 1: We're doing People Missing People Miss You on YouTube.

01:01:55
Speaker 3: I know, I mean, I listen. I love I loved Cocktail of the Queens. I love doing TJS.

01:02:00
Speaker 4: Every single place I go, people still ask.

01:02:03
Speaker 3: Me like they're like, you know, in these political times, like we need a place where we can like have fun and get informed and you know, accidentally informed. We're trying to build that up, the numbers on. You know, we're building that right now. But I miss it too. I want to do more of this. I do love talking with the folks and you know.

01:02:18
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Claudia, The Real House Bass of Atlanta is premiering March night. Am I okay to invite you back to recap one.

01:02:28
Speaker 2: Episode with me and Dustin?

01:02:30
Speaker 4: Of course?

01:02:31
Speaker 3: Okay, good, I'm gonna start watching more. I know people like she don't even watched. I need to get back on Potomacca. Watching today, I was like, I'm gonna go back and really get into it because it is. But I honestly, I have been so stuck in politics with this election.

01:02:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very hands on. So yeah, all I've been consuming for like two years, you know.

01:02:51
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah anytime. Okay, No, we we we all miss you and Dustin. I love you so Claudia and usin Laudia. Ladies first at the world now where they can find you, follow you and support you.

01:03:04
Speaker 2: Beauty at Claudia.

01:03:07
Speaker 4: Join on Instagram.

01:03:08
Speaker 5: I'm always on there.

01:03:08
Speaker 3: I'm always getting a shadow band from my anti Trump views whatever you Can't Silence Me and the stage play Games Women Play, and also every Wednesday with Erica Cobb, Accidents Ly Informed on YouTube, Spotify and where we get your podcasts and a bunch of movies coming out. So yeah, hollo me. I miss all you people, all y'all supporters.

01:03:27
Speaker 4: I love y'all. Thank you so much for the love.

01:03:29
Speaker 5: That's then.

01:03:30
Speaker 6: Yes, so shout out to everybody who supported my show.

01:03:35
Speaker 5: As you know, was so blessed.

01:03:37
Speaker 6: I sold out City Winery, New York from my very first stand up comedy show, yes on March seventeenth, and the God is good. They offered me a second show because there were so many people on the wait list. It was just I'm overwhelmed with the tremendous support I got. So there's a second show available. You can find a link to the show in my bio. It's on March seventeenth, Saint Patrick's Day here in New York City at City Winery. So I'm really excited my very first stand up show. It's on Saint Patrick's Day and the show is called FSPD with stands for Fuck Saint Patrick's Day. And I can't wait to tell you why I felt like that. So if you want to come, come on down Mark seventeenth. The ticket link is in my bio at look at dustin all the way across.

01:04:19
Speaker 2: So dust the two shows at Saint Donco.

01:04:21
Speaker 6: You have a two show show. So first show, same night, yup, Carlos. You know if I'm gonna do it, We're gonna do it. So first show doors at six pm, showtime at seven thirty pm. The second show, and then the meet and greet is immediately after that. Second show doors at nine thirty, showtime ten pm. And there is a VIP meet and greet option available for that as well.

01:04:43
Speaker 5: So come fuck with me.

01:04:44
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make y'all laugh on March seventeenth at City Winery here in New York City. Thank you to everybody that purchased tickets and I'll see all them nothing.

01:04:51
Speaker 3: You're so talented and so smart, and you're smart, talented and sexy and everybody wants to have sex with you, so like.

01:04:57
Speaker 5: Thank you. I love having sex.

01:04:59
Speaker 6: So that man, you just made me feel so that that's how you affirm your friends, right there.

01:05:04
Speaker 5: You know sex is important to me. Thank you, I got you, I got you back. That's right.

01:05:14
Speaker 3: Here's the bomb. Everything he does. He never hears them everything he does. So I don't know about section because I never had sex with him, but he is, you know obviously.

01:05:24
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure he's good at that as well. So support him.

01:05:28
Speaker 6: Thank you, Frand, I love you so Claudia.

01:05:30
Speaker 2: Dustin, thank you so much. I'll see you next week.

01:05:34
Speaker 1: Dustin, Claudia, I'll call you afterwards.

01:05:36
Speaker 3: You.

01:05:42
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King.

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