#26 | Jason Jorjani – Civilization-Breaking Technology, Fusion Weapons, and Space-Time Distortion

<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to another Hard Truce podcast. I'm your
<v Speaker 1>host Ashon Forbes, and today I have a reoccurring guest.
<v Speaker 1>I got Jason Georgiohnny back on the podcast. Guys, I'm
<v Speaker 1>super excited for this. This was one of the most
<v Speaker 1>if not the most popular conversation that I had last year,
<v Speaker 1>and I had to bring Jason back on because I
<v Speaker 1>know he has a wealth of information about history, about
<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic, and specifically today's conversation about thermonuclear weapons
<v Speaker 1>and anutronic fusion. So welcome back, Jason. Thank you for
<v Speaker 1>being here.
<v Speaker 2>It's a pleasure to be with you. Ashton, long overdue.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we're doing round two now.
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's just get right into it then. I think
<v Speaker 1>the topic that I think people really just love to
<v Speaker 1>hear about is the UFO topic, and last time we
<v Speaker 1>spoke about it in detail. I just want to let
<v Speaker 1>you know that since we last spoke, you know, I
<v Speaker 1>have always I've been wondering what is the answer to
<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic. Are the aliens from another dimension? Are
<v Speaker 1>they from another planet? Is it future humans? And I
<v Speaker 1>have to say I've moved more and more towards your
<v Speaker 1>perspective that you presented on the last conversation about ancient
<v Speaker 1>civilizations even potentially being connected to Atlantis. The more I've
<v Speaker 1>dug into the physics, like the idea of a future
<v Speaker 1>human civilization or the idea of resets happening, has become
<v Speaker 1>almost undeniable to me. So I wanted to get your
<v Speaker 1>thoughts on a couple of the topics that are going
<v Speaker 1>out in the UFO community right now. But first I
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to give you praise. The topic that I
<v Speaker 1>don't think got enough play from our last conversation was
<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned that under the previous Biden administration, the
<v Speaker 1>person who was coordinating these supposed UFO cover up was
<v Speaker 1>Avril Hines. And this was crazy to me when you
<v Speaker 1>said this, because I had connected her to the cover
<v Speaker 1>up of MH three seven zero, where she was like
<v Speaker 1>the deputy director of the CIA at the time, and
<v Speaker 1>she was the one justifying all the drone strikes for Obama,
<v Speaker 1>which became a major scandal because we were taking out innocent people.
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that didn't get more coverage, especially because
<v Speaker 1>I can firmed with one of my sources right after
<v Speaker 1>that that yes, apparently she was the person, And it
<v Speaker 1>turns out it makes sense because the DNI is the
<v Speaker 1>one that's basically coordinating the entire intelligence community, So if
<v Speaker 1>there is a cover up of this level, they would
<v Speaker 1>have to know about it. And then the other thing
<v Speaker 1>that I've come to realize, which I think people just
<v Speaker 1>in general need to know, is that I was watching
<v Speaker 1>this interview with John Ramyirz yesterday and in it it's
<v Speaker 1>like he goes over our surveillance capabilities and they are
<v Speaker 1>ill extensive, super extensive. The NNGA specifically manages all the
<v Speaker 1>electro optical and optical surveillance, which I didn't really realize,
<v Speaker 1>and he has he tell goes through the whole process.
<v Speaker 1>If they see a UFO or something they don't recognize,
<v Speaker 1>they ask to see if it's our adversary, and then
<v Speaker 1>this goes up the line and eventually a report is written.
<v Speaker 1>So to me, it's insane to think that the government
<v Speaker 1>there can't be stuff flying around the government doesn't know
<v Speaker 1>what it is and have a really good idea of
<v Speaker 1>his origins. So what are you you have any follow
<v Speaker 1>ups or thoughts on the avera high and suffer any
<v Speaker 1>of that, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, I believe it was after nine to eleven that
<v Speaker 2>the intelligence structure of the United States was significantly reorganized,
<v Speaker 2>I think maybe in the most substantive way, since the
<v Speaker 2>National Security Act of nineteen forty seven established that structure
<v Speaker 2>to begin with. And one of the things that they
<v Speaker 2>did was they replaced the sort of central or sort
<v Speaker 2>of nexus authority of the Director of Central Intelligence, which
<v Speaker 2>was a CIA position, with the Director of National Intelligence,
<v Speaker 2>and subordinated the CIA and all the other agencies under
<v Speaker 2>this Director of National Intelligence. And I always wondered from
<v Speaker 2>the time when that happened, because I've long been interested
<v Speaker 2>in the intelligence apparatus of the United States, I mean
<v Speaker 2>for decades. I wondered whether this was another machination by
<v Speaker 2>which to create a more even more unaccountable power structure, right,
<v Speaker 2>because it was long known that even the Director of
<v Speaker 2>Central Intelligence wasn't the guy who was most read in
<v Speaker 2>at the CIA. It was often the more career CIA
<v Speaker 2>people who would be deputy directors. So I was thinking
<v Speaker 2>maybe by creating Director of National Intelligence, they won even
<v Speaker 2>more clueless, manipulable executive authority covering up, you know, de
<v Speaker 2>facto what's actually going on in the intelligence apparatus. So
<v Speaker 2>I was as surprised as you were to find out
<v Speaker 2>from inside sources that the woman in that position, at
<v Speaker 2>at Avril Haynes was in fact well aware of the
<v Speaker 2>full range of close encounter data, you know, I mean
<v Speaker 2>not just UFOs, but also the beings associated with them,
<v Speaker 2>archaeological sites and discoveries associated with them, and so forth,
<v Speaker 2>not just on Earth but across the Solar System. And
<v Speaker 2>that she was in a position to you know, design
<v Speaker 2>a or at least participate in the design of a
<v Speaker 2>selective long term disclosure plan. That really surprised me that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the intelligence community being reorganized in that way,
<v Speaker 2>giving actual authority and access to the person who was
<v Speaker 2>in the position of Director of National Intelligence. And then
<v Speaker 2>that makes you wonder, is that because it's a legit
<v Speaker 2>position that comes with that degree of clearance or is
<v Speaker 2>it because of Abril Haynes's own CV her own history
<v Speaker 2>of clearances and positions she served it? In other words,
<v Speaker 2>did Tulci Gabbert get read into the same information when
<v Speaker 2>she assumed that position, or you know, is it that
<v Speaker 2>they only disclose the stuff to Abral Haynes because of
<v Speaker 2>who she was, the same way that let's say, when
<v Speaker 2>George H. W. Bush became president, he was read into things,
<v Speaker 2>or rather had already been read into them, because he
<v Speaker 2>had previously been the director of this right, So that's
<v Speaker 2>one thing I wonder about. Concomitant with that, the Department
<v Speaker 2>of Homeland Security, I thought was a relatively superficial kind
<v Speaker 2>of like security and policing agency. But lo and behold,
<v Speaker 2>they're running this ConA blue program that involves UFOs that's
<v Speaker 2>being run under the Department of Homeland Security. So it
<v Speaker 2>appears that after nine to eleven, some significant, you know,
<v Speaker 2>there was some significant structural re engineering of the American
<v Speaker 2>intelligence apparatus.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for explaining the UFO the situation with that
<v Speaker 1>the Director of National Intelligence. I didn't realize that power
<v Speaker 1>had been re kind of organized underneath the the Director
<v Speaker 1>of National Intelligence from the CIA previously. Can you just
<v Speaker 1>repeat what year was that that that happened.
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make up a number. I can't
<v Speaker 2>remember exactly, but I know that it was part of
<v Speaker 2>the legislation that took place after nine.
<v Speaker 3>To eleven at the same time, so it was relatively
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, great. Well, so a couple other quick conversations on
<v Speaker 1>at the UFO topic, which is I want to get here.
<v Speaker 2>Let me just add one let me let me just
<v Speaker 2>add one thing to that, which is that I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it should be obvious to anybody with half a brain
<v Speaker 2>who's watching, and especially your audience, who are you know,
<v Speaker 2>much more clued in people.
<v Speaker 3>That.
<v Speaker 2>At the very least nine to eleven represented the most
<v Speaker 2>fundamental compromising of the intelligence apparatus of the United States
<v Speaker 2>and its entire history. And so obviously there would be
<v Speaker 2>reason for restructuring the intelligence apparatus after that event.
<v Speaker 1>So hmm, and that makes a lot of sense. So
<v Speaker 1>then previously before that, the CIA would have been potentially
<v Speaker 1>the one who was organized in the UFO cover up.
<v Speaker 1>After that, now it becomes the Director of National Intelligence
<v Speaker 1>that the one is doing it. And that actually makes
<v Speaker 1>someone sense because Avrol Hines was deputy director of the
<v Speaker 1>CIA under was it James Clapper I think or John Brennan,
<v Speaker 1>right and that and they're under fire right now from
<v Speaker 1>the current administration. So I think that that whole story
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. Now, where do you see the whole UFO
<v Speaker 1>disclosure going. You know, last time we spoke was over
<v Speaker 1>a year ago, and now you've got this age of
<v Speaker 1>Disclosure movie that's being promoted out there. I surprisingly found out.
<v Speaker 1>I was blocked by Dan Farrah and the Age of
<v Speaker 1>Disclosure promotional x account, which kind of just made me
<v Speaker 1>chuckle a little bit. I don't think they liked me
<v Speaker 1>very much. But Joe Rogan was talking about it like
<v Speaker 1>six months ago saying, Oh, it's great. I see everybody
<v Speaker 1>out there saying that it's the most It's gonna break
<v Speaker 1>everybody's minds. I saw a clip that had hal put
<v Speaker 1>Off on it talking about the energy source of the
<v Speaker 1>UFOs might be nuclear power, which is relevant to our
<v Speaker 1>conversation here. So what is your thoughts on you know,
<v Speaker 1>that Age of Disclosure movie? You think it's gonna move
<v Speaker 1>the needle at all? And what are your thought disclosure
<v Speaker 1>in general?
<v Speaker 2>I think that the Age of Disclosure film is going
<v Speaker 2>to be used to set up a situation which some
<v Speaker 2>have referred to as confirmation rather than disclosure. In other words,
<v Speaker 2>there are so many high level government officials that are
<v Speaker 2>being interviewed and cited in this documentary that for all
<v Speaker 2>intents and purposes, it supplants a hearing. It takes the
<v Speaker 2>place of like a hearing, where you would have the
<v Speaker 2>same level of government officials testify, and all that needs
<v Speaker 2>to happen after that for there to be acknowledgment of
<v Speaker 2>US government knowledge, longstanding knowledge regarding close encounters is for
<v Speaker 2>the President to come out and say something to the
<v Speaker 2>effect of, yeah, I'm not going to do my Trump impersonation,
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, yeah, I saw the I saw the film,
<v Speaker 2>and it's true. It's true. We know and it's true,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry. For reasons of national security, I can't
<v Speaker 2>tell you more than that. Now, what does that do?
<v Speaker 2>It gets them off the hook legally, because this way,
<v Speaker 2>with a confirmation, you know, and vague gesturing towards this
<v Speaker 2>film and its contents, there aren't any specific admissions that
<v Speaker 2>are gonna warrant legal action, let's say, of one defense
<v Speaker 2>contractor against another, of the American people against the government,
<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth. Right, So it's a
<v Speaker 2>very frankly gutless and safe way for them to acknowledge
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing and then to refuse to say very
<v Speaker 2>much else about it.
<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't even think about that. That's such
<v Speaker 1>a good take though, where it's like they could just
<v Speaker 1>use it and then just say, yeah, these vague things
<v Speaker 1>that are being said in here are true, and then,
<v Speaker 1>like you said, now just apologist, be like, you know what,
<v Speaker 1>it was the people before me that did all that
<v Speaker 1>evil corrupt I mean Trump could actually say that, He
<v Speaker 1>could even use that M A Street seven zero videos
<v Speaker 1>to say that Obama was doing this stuff. You know,
<v Speaker 1>beforehand I hadn't even thought about that angle. But so
<v Speaker 1>if that comes.
<v Speaker 3>True, perfect Trump.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Trump is the perfect president to say that because
<v Speaker 2>he's positioned, whether it's actually true or not, he's positioned
<v Speaker 2>himself as so anti establishmentary, and he's already so vilified
<v Speaker 2>and demonized everybody who came before him that, like you
<v Speaker 2>just said, with a wave of the hand, all I
<v Speaker 2>have to say, let abed stuff happened to let abed stuff.
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't into me, you know, I'm just you know,
<v Speaker 2>I actually the movie was a good movie.
<v Speaker 3>Let off It's true, end up story. Nobody asked any
<v Speaker 3>more questions.
<v Speaker 1>I could totally see this happening. Actually, so I think
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty pretty interesting. And Trump has They've thrown a
<v Speaker 1>lot of hints out there. I think both of these
<v Speaker 1>situations came after we last spoke. But Trump has said
<v Speaker 1>that we have weapons that nobody understands and that nobody
<v Speaker 1>is close to our level of military superiority. He said
<v Speaker 1>this like two different times in very similar contexts. One
<v Speaker 1>was in Saudi Arabia or the UAE, and then one
<v Speaker 1>was at his desk, and then his White House Technology
<v Speaker 1>and Science Advisor Michael Kratzio, said that we have tech.
<v Speaker 1>We have the technology to manipulate time and space to
<v Speaker 1>leave distance annihilated. So he's been leaking these ideas. Plus
<v Speaker 1>plus NASA also said that there's life on Mars and
<v Speaker 1>everybody just kind of ignored it. It should have been
<v Speaker 1>like some of the biggest news ever. And they weren't
<v Speaker 1>talking about like little green men, but they're talking about
<v Speaker 1>microbial life, bacteria, you know, things like that. But still
<v Speaker 1>it's significant for our understanding of life in the universe.
<v Speaker 1>So I still think, like you, there's probably a non
<v Speaker 1>zero chance. I'm gonna still say, though, I think it's
<v Speaker 1>unlikely that Trump will do any of that, because I
<v Speaker 1>think that these people who are like this, I don't
<v Speaker 1>really know what to call them, this group that keeps
<v Speaker 1>doing the same movies over and over and over again,
<v Speaker 1>right the hal Putof and Chris Mellon and Crew I
<v Speaker 1>don't think they're in the same team as Trump. I
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong, but I get the impression that they're
<v Speaker 1>kind of on the other side. I'll get the person.
<v Speaker 2>I can confirm that for you one hundred percent. These
<v Speaker 2>people don't like Trump. They are very Look, here's the deal,
<v Speaker 2>very long story short sure, going back to the formation
<v Speaker 2>of To the Stars Academy with Tom DeLong, and by
<v Speaker 2>the way I have it's interesting people have been comparing
<v Speaker 2>lately the contents of my book Closer Encounters and my
<v Speaker 2>various podcasts to Tom DeLong and what he wrote in
<v Speaker 2>his books.
<v Speaker 3>I haven't read a.
<v Speaker 2>Single word Tom Delung's ever written, so the fact that
<v Speaker 2>their overlap is interesting.
<v Speaker 3>But be that as it may.
<v Speaker 2>What I do know is that going back to when
<v Speaker 2>Tom Delong's books were written and To the Star's Academy
<v Speaker 2>was formed, and these characters who then became central to Disclosure,
<v Speaker 2>began to form some kind.
<v Speaker 3>Of working group, right.
<v Speaker 2>Hell put Off and Melon, Chris Mellon and these folks.
<v Speaker 2>It is pretty clear to me that it was in
<v Speaker 2>coordination with John Podesta and with the expectation that Hillary
<v Speaker 2>Clinton would be elected President of the United States in
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen and they had a whole agenda to move
<v Speaker 2>forward with Hillary as the disclosure president, and that got
<v Speaker 2>basically a monkey wrench got thrown in it. So they
<v Speaker 2>are now in a situation where they don't know what
<v Speaker 2>to do with themselves because they've developed this whole elaborate
<v Speaker 2>plan and they don't know how much of it to
<v Speaker 2>move forward with and how much of it to hold back.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, basically, how they're going to negotiate this
<v Speaker 2>controlled disclosure with an administration that they had not been
<v Speaker 2>coordinating with in advance.
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Man, And that makes a lot of sense to
<v Speaker 1>me too. I think that people who are about our
<v Speaker 1>age probably will understand that because we're old enough to
<v Speaker 1>have been adults and lived through the Clinton you know,
<v Speaker 1>the Clinton years, and then Hillary also is her rise
<v Speaker 1>to prominence as well, and both of them they talked
<v Speaker 1>about the UFO topic when not a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>would talk about it, and I did get the impression
<v Speaker 1>that all of those people are kind of aligned with,
<v Speaker 1>you know, that side of the political spectrum, and it
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't surprise me if they did have like a plan
<v Speaker 1>for how they all wanted this go down. And then
<v Speaker 1>when Trump won, which nobody expected, not even meet back then.
<v Speaker 1>Is that now all of a sudden that gets flipped
<v Speaker 1>on its head. Now they've got to come up with
<v Speaker 1>a new strategy. Now they can't control Trump, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And that's why too. When Trump says we have weapons,
<v Speaker 1>nobody understands like that. That's not something you ever hear
<v Speaker 1>Obama say, you know. And when people say, oh, Trump,
<v Speaker 1>if Trump knew about the secret technology here, weapons or UFOs,
<v Speaker 1>he would talk about it, Well, there there is. You're
<v Speaker 1>hearing it right there. And my guess is he's pushing
<v Speaker 1>the boundary what he can talk about. Clued.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Now this is something I hope that we can
<v Speaker 2>unpack a bit over the course of our conversation. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>what exactly it means when Trump says we have we
<v Speaker 2>have weapons that nobody else Okay, who's the Wii there?
<v Speaker 1>All right?
<v Speaker 2>One thing that Trump did that was extremely noteworthy was
<v Speaker 2>moving Space Force to Huntsville, Alabama, because to my knowledge,
<v Speaker 2>Huntsville was already the location of American secret space program technology,
<v Speaker 2>and the idea that Trump would move Space Force there
<v Speaker 2>signifies an attempt on his part to consolidate the space
<v Speaker 2>assets of the United States, the black assets and the
<v Speaker 2>more public assets under one centralized and more transparent control
<v Speaker 2>that would answer to him as commander in chief of
<v Speaker 2>the United States. I think that's what he's trying to do.
<v Speaker 2>Whether he'll actually be successful doing it is entirely another matter.
<v Speaker 1>And so he moved it from Colorado too, right, And
<v Speaker 1>I think there was some political ramifications when Biden, I think,
<v Speaker 1>had tried to move or a sign it to Colorado.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the exact details, but I call Huntsville,
<v Speaker 1>Alabama space juice City because I refer to the zero
<v Speaker 1>point energy as space juice. That's how we's dumb it
<v Speaker 1>down for people that don't really want to understand it,
<v Speaker 1>all right, And Huntsville, Alabama is where it's Redstone Arsenal's there,
<v Speaker 1>NASA Marshall Space Light Center is there. I mean, that's
<v Speaker 1>where it's Rocket City, USA. It's where we've developed, like
<v Speaker 1>all of our propulsion technologies over the many years. So
<v Speaker 1>I am hoping we get into that when we start
<v Speaker 1>talking a little bit about the history and the development
<v Speaker 1>of some of these propulsion technologies here in just a
<v Speaker 1>little bit. But right before we get to that, I
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to ask you two last little questions on
<v Speaker 1>disclosure First of all, what's your opinion on the three
<v Speaker 1>I at lis. I'll go ahead and preface that my
<v Speaker 1>opinion on three ieatlysts is just a normal commet I,
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I'm open to interpretations. I do want
<v Speaker 1>to say that I saw I think it was a
<v Speaker 1>slide from Stephen Greer where he did the math on
<v Speaker 1>the speed of the comet, and it would take like
<v Speaker 1>sixty thousand years to get here from the nearest star system,
<v Speaker 1>which is Alpha Centauri. So my opinion, just straight up
<v Speaker 1>is that aliens aren't going to be flying around on
<v Speaker 1>super slow rocks. Even though we think of that rock
<v Speaker 1>as moving fast relatively speaking, it's not moving fast enough
<v Speaker 1>to get here from another solar system. But I want
<v Speaker 1>to know what your thoughts are on it.
<v Speaker 2>I believe that whatever the object is, it's being used
<v Speaker 2>for a massive syop. And that's why I haven't said
<v Speaker 2>a word about it, because the one thing I'm convinced
<v Speaker 2>of about three I.
<v Speaker 3>Atlas is that it's a syop.
<v Speaker 2>And I am you know, I don't know, I'm sorry
<v Speaker 2>to say this or not, but you know, and you
<v Speaker 2>know as you are.
<v Speaker 3>I'm a supporter of the state of Israel.
<v Speaker 2>I'm a very you know, very pro Israel, but Avi
<v Speaker 2>Lob is a MOSAD operative. He was sent here by
<v Speaker 2>the State of Israel in the nineteen eighties to acquire
<v Speaker 2>technical data regarding.
<v Speaker 3>The Strategic Defense initiative.
<v Speaker 2>He worked with, you know, the the Reagan team on
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars in the nineteen eighties, and it's pretty clear
<v Speaker 2>he was sent by the Israelis to do that.
<v Speaker 3>So he he's a mos ODD asset or operative.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, sorry, but I really don't trust the
<v Speaker 2>narrative that's coming from out of him, and I don't
<v Speaker 2>expect any apocalyptic event to ensue from three I at lists.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's much more like a psychological gauge and
<v Speaker 2>basically a kind of you know, so social engineering experiment
<v Speaker 2>to see, like what kind of reaction there might be
<v Speaker 2>to the possibility that this could be some kind of
<v Speaker 2>an interstellar you know, intelligently guided.
<v Speaker 1>That's why I always love talking to you, because you
<v Speaker 1>always have the intelligent takes, you always have the high
<v Speaker 1>IQ takes, and that's what my followers are. And right there,
<v Speaker 1>you nailed it, which is like, if anything, what I
<v Speaker 1>would consider is they're gauging the public's reaction to this
<v Speaker 1>information that they're pushing out there. Are people freaking out,
<v Speaker 1>are they going out and they're starting cults related to it?
<v Speaker 1>Or are they just kind of accept of it? And
<v Speaker 1>I have to be honest, you Ques.
<v Speaker 2>That's it's a look at all the religious nut chases
<v Speaker 2>the New Age just you know, I mean, these people's
<v Speaker 2>brains are made of jello, who are now worshiping three
<v Speaker 2>I Atlas as if it's you know, the chariot for
<v Speaker 2>the second Coming of Christ or the dawning of the
<v Speaker 2>Age of Aquarius. And of course you know, that's the
<v Speaker 2>intention of the social experiment to see how many morons
<v Speaker 2>like that there are in the population, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>God's forbid, should something actually show up, imagine what the
<v Speaker 2>reaction would be.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. That's that's the big thing, right is that are
<v Speaker 1>people going to lose their minds if like aliens appear
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and all of a sudden are just
<v Speaker 1>everywhere in the sky floating around like That's that's the
<v Speaker 1>thing the thing people want they want to figure out
<v Speaker 1>if that is the narrative. And like you, I think
<v Speaker 1>there's not going to be any apocalyptic event or anything
<v Speaker 1>like that. And this is why I like having these
<v Speaker 1>conversations because I think these conversations and research, the research
<v Speaker 1>you've done, research I've done, it helps to demystify the
<v Speaker 1>topic where it makes it much more difficult. I think
<v Speaker 1>it makes people more resilient mentally, to you know, if
<v Speaker 1>aliens were to appear out of the middle of nowhere,
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to freak out and lose control or
<v Speaker 1>perception of reality. We're gonna be able to compartmentalize it.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be able to understand it. We're gonna be
<v Speaker 1>able understand the context for it, where they might have
<v Speaker 1>come from, how they might be able to do these
<v Speaker 1>types of things. So that's why I like having our
<v Speaker 1>conversations really too. I think it grounds it in reality
<v Speaker 1>a little bit for you, especially when we're talking about
<v Speaker 1>some of the most crazy, crazy things that could even
<v Speaker 1>ever have happened. So one last thing before we jump
<v Speaker 1>into the main event here is genre mirrors. So Genre meres.
<v Speaker 1>I think you're familiar with him. He's a GS fifteen,
<v Speaker 1>let's say, former CIA agent, and they'd say that normally
<v Speaker 1>people aren't generally former and apparently they don't like being
<v Speaker 1>called agents. Apparently like FBI are agents cias they have
<v Speaker 1>like another word they call themselves, I learned officers. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you off, Yes, And my impression I can't get a
<v Speaker 1>beat on John Ramirez, but my opinion of him is
<v Speaker 1>that he's like a white hat that wants information to
<v Speaker 1>come out, but he's doing it in a relatively controlled
<v Speaker 1>way where he's not he's, you know, just pushing the
<v Speaker 1>boundary of what the CIA will let him say publicly.
<v Speaker 1>But then he also just kind of goes like way
<v Speaker 1>out and left field, out of nowhere, Like it's very
<v Speaker 1>obvious that he has a huge amount of institutionalized CIA
<v Speaker 1>knowledge about the organization, and he's taught me a lot,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Weirdly, his first post on Twitter, first post
<v Speaker 1>he ever made on Twitter, when he made an account
<v Speaker 1>like a six months ago or so, was to point
<v Speaker 1>out that USA two two nine, which was the satellite
<v Speaker 1>pair that I had incorrectly thought was taking the now
<v Speaker 1>recognized by Gorgon's Stare wide area motion imagery of MH
<v Speaker 1>three seven zero. His first post was saying that that
<v Speaker 1>satellite doesn't have the surveillance capability on it that would
<v Speaker 1>be required to take that video. And I'm going, that's
<v Speaker 1>a weird post to make because it's like directly messaging
<v Speaker 1>to me or signaling to me. But he's never directly
<v Speaker 1>interacted with me in any way. And so when I
<v Speaker 1>watch his videos where he's trying to explain the stuff
<v Speaker 1>to people, I think his heart's in the right place
<v Speaker 1>for trying to get this stuff out there. I'm curious,
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts about John Ramirez and what have
<v Speaker 1>you taken away from what he said.
<v Speaker 2>John Ramirez has a personal friend who follows you very closely,
<v Speaker 2>so that would be the angle for that.
<v Speaker 3>So I've spoken to him.
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him at some length, and he told
<v Speaker 2>me a number of very interesting things. I'll give you
<v Speaker 2>my read on him, and you know, I want to
<v Speaker 2>be respectful also the fact that he probably will see this.
<v Speaker 2>So my honest assessment of John Ramirez is the following.
<v Speaker 2>First of all, he clearly has a lot of fine grained,
<v Speaker 2>you know, technical information and details pertaining to various projects
<v Speaker 2>of the CIA involving the history of close encounters. And
<v Speaker 2>he's been in working groups with other individuals who have
<v Speaker 2>even more access. That's one thing. The second thing, though,
<v Speaker 2>that I would say about him is that, as a
<v Speaker 2>function of his own sense of patriotic duty and his
<v Speaker 2>a vision and conception of the United States that he
<v Speaker 2>wants to hold on to. He's also blinded himself to
<v Speaker 2>the degree of abuse of power that has taken place
<v Speaker 2>in this country in the past seventy years, and he
<v Speaker 2>is under the illusion that simply because the established legal
<v Speaker 2>framework for special access projects shouldn't allow for certain things
<v Speaker 2>needs to take place in certain programs, you know, to
<v Speaker 2>make tremendous breakthroughs without any oversight whatsoever from the civilian
<v Speaker 2>government means it. In fact, you know that that that
<v Speaker 2>hasn't actually taken place. No, it has taken place. And
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think a very strong argument can be made,
<v Speaker 2>has been made by some people like Richard Dolin, for example,
<v Speaker 2>that we have at this point pretty much a full
<v Speaker 2>fledged American breakaway civilization. And that's something I think John
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to recognize because it involves, frankly, a tremendous
<v Speaker 2>amount of criminal activity committed by a government that he
<v Speaker 2>identifies with, and frankly is a member of the civil
<v Speaker 2>apparatus of That's the second thing I would say about him,
<v Speaker 2>And the third thing I'd say about John Ramirez is
<v Speaker 2>that like any individual, he has his own belief system,
<v Speaker 2>and he's very interested in the esoteric and the occult,
<v Speaker 2>and that became clear in the course of my conversation
<v Speaker 2>with him. And so there are certain things that you know,
<v Speaker 2>he is projecting interpretively onto the data that he has,
<v Speaker 2>which is probably more a function of his own belief
<v Speaker 2>system than of you know, the information actually in possession
<v Speaker 2>of whatever agencies and programs. And that's something that we
<v Speaker 2>would all do as individuals. I mean, we all have
<v Speaker 2>our own you know, interpretive matrices and belief systems and
<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, this is a great I'm glad we're
<v Speaker 1>talking about this because I want to delve a little
<v Speaker 1>bit and unpack a little bit of this. I think
<v Speaker 1>your take is dead on and I hadn't even considered it,
<v Speaker 1>which is that, you know, I keep wondering, like, why
<v Speaker 1>is he His personal opinion he said at the end
<v Speaker 1>of this video I was watching yesterday, was that he
<v Speaker 1>believes that it's like the reptilians that are controlling us,
<v Speaker 1>or you know, controlling the planet, or the reptilians of
<v Speaker 1>the aliens or something like that. Right, But my research
<v Speaker 1>is kind of led towards a different path that says like,
<v Speaker 1>we have this, like Richard Dolans, a breakaway civilization that's
<v Speaker 1>happening here, that it's not really the aliens, that it's
<v Speaker 1>just everything can kind of be explained by that the
<v Speaker 1>faults in humanity, like the human the human condition for
<v Speaker 1>the most part, and that's what our main topic of
<v Speaker 1>tonight was going to be. Uh So, I think that
<v Speaker 1>I could see that that's why that he's in like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, he's on the inside, and so he doesn't
<v Speaker 1>want to think, you know, he's got the blinders on,
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to think that there could be really illegal
<v Speaker 1>things happening. He even said that he was like the
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they administrator's right word or program
<v Speaker 1>manager for one of these SEAPAC or c SE SAPs
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it's called, but like basically a special access
<v Speaker 1>program and he didn't want it, and he said, no,
<v Speaker 1>I don't want it. I'm going to give it back,
<v Speaker 1>which also would help push towards the narrative that you're
<v Speaker 1>saying here, which is that he didn't want to be
<v Speaker 1>involved in the weird black project stuff that they're doing
<v Speaker 1>with this technology. But it was Stephen Greer that I
<v Speaker 1>spoke to where We had a great conversation about this
<v Speaker 1>because I think it is all legally classified. I think
<v Speaker 1>they've just taken the UFO topic and they've put it
<v Speaker 1>in with nuclear way weapons, which have the highest level
<v Speaker 1>of classification, secrecy, compartmentalization out there. And if that's the case,
<v Speaker 1>then what we have here is a political question. The
<v Speaker 1>political question now is Okay, technically what's happening with suppression
<v Speaker 1>of this technology is legal, but is it really legal,
<v Speaker 1>especially if we're like doing CIA black operations using this
<v Speaker 1>technology to maintain superiority over Russia and China. So I
<v Speaker 1>think that those are the big questions for me. And
<v Speaker 1>then yeah, like you said with John Ramirez, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>think that he just I think, Oh, the last thing
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say is that he says energy orbs
<v Speaker 1>all the time, which is just for me, Like I'm
<v Speaker 1>sitting here, red flags are going up because as we're
<v Speaker 1>going to talk about here, did I've figured out that
<v Speaker 1>plasma can be used as a nonfishient trigger in thermonuclear
<v Speaker 1>weapons and it can self organize if the plasma is
<v Speaker 1>dense enough as well, so you could make a plasma
<v Speaker 1>orb just using normal physics. And so when he says
<v Speaker 1>that all the time, I sit and think in my head,
<v Speaker 1>where are these guys seeing plasma orbs. They're not nuclear engineers,
<v Speaker 1>so they're not working on nuclear weapons. They're in the CIA,
<v Speaker 1>they're in intelligence. The most likely case is one of
<v Speaker 1>the examples he gives the NNGA. They're looking at surveillance
<v Speaker 1>of you know, satellites, drones, gorgon stare, all this stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and they see an ORB flying around in the sky. Right.
<v Speaker 1>And now, think about this information is compartmentalized. So if
<v Speaker 1>you're just a CIA analyst reviewing footage, you look at
<v Speaker 1>that and your biases are going to say, WHOA, I'm
<v Speaker 1>looking at aliens. Look, these aliens are flying around here.
<v Speaker 1>But you don't know that our own government is making
<v Speaker 1>plasma orbs like this using fusion propulsion that Lockheed Martin built.
<v Speaker 1>And so I could totally see how even some of
<v Speaker 1>these other whistleblowers in the UFO community they believe they're
<v Speaker 1>looking at aliens because they know we don't have conventional
<v Speaker 1>technology that does those things. But what they don't realize
<v Speaker 1>is that there are layers of compartmentalization that goes beyond
<v Speaker 1>even what they have in this CIA or in the
<v Speaker 1>intelligence community that can explain that that is, you know,
<v Speaker 1>breakaway civilization level technology. Do you kind of concur with
<v Speaker 1>that assessment or any other additional details.
<v Speaker 3>So two things.
<v Speaker 2>First, I disagree with you that it's all happening under
<v Speaker 2>very sophisticated legalistic machinations to protect special access and black projects.
<v Speaker 2>And I want to over the course of our conversation
<v Speaker 2>about the history of a neutronic nuclear fusion weaponry and
<v Speaker 2>where it might have come from and how we may
<v Speaker 2>have developed it. I want to also partly lay out
<v Speaker 2>the case for why I think that that argument doesn't
<v Speaker 2>hold water, and why I'm convinced that there is an
<v Speaker 2>intercontinental at this point globally disperse American imperial power structure
<v Speaker 2>which is completely unaccountable to the civilian government of the
<v Speaker 2>United States, and that that's the entity that actually controls
<v Speaker 2>this technology. That's also the entity that carried out nine
<v Speaker 2>to eleven. And so you know where this argument breaks
<v Speaker 2>that you know, all these programs are taking place under
<v Speaker 2>a legal umbrella that manages special access projects. No, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that there's a legal framework that justifies
<v Speaker 2>fielding an operation like nine to eleven, in which three
<v Speaker 2>thousand Americans were incinerated. Okay, that was done by a
<v Speaker 2>crime syndicate, and that crime syndicate is has been for
<v Speaker 2>many decades in possession of extremely advanced technology that I
<v Speaker 2>think may have at one point emerged from out of
<v Speaker 2>special access projects, but it's now been so corporatized and
<v Speaker 2>even in some cases moved offshore in various ways, so
<v Speaker 2>that really, you know, the civilian government has no control
<v Speaker 2>over whatsoever. But let me comment on and we'll we
<v Speaker 2>have to unpack that over the course of our conversation.
<v Speaker 2>But let me comment specifically on which you said about
<v Speaker 2>the orbs, just you know, and and the question of
<v Speaker 2>whether they're being misidentified as some form of extraterrestrial intelligence. Here,
<v Speaker 2>I think it's very important to draw distinction between two
<v Speaker 2>different kinds of orbs, right, I mean, there is plasma
<v Speaker 2>sheath technology, which for example, prevents us from taking a
<v Speaker 2>very clear photograph of an unconventional airframe. One of the
<v Speaker 2>reasons why UFOs are so hard to photograph or film
<v Speaker 2>is because they have this plasma sheath around them, which
<v Speaker 2>also makes it impossible to shoot them because anything that's
<v Speaker 2>fired toward them kind of bounces off and around the
<v Speaker 2>plasma sheath as we've seen in some of these recent
<v Speaker 2>videos right that they've disclosed through Congress. So there are
<v Speaker 2>there are technologically engineered objects that we're making and that
<v Speaker 2>potentially other people like Nordic's whatever, have made that have
<v Speaker 2>plasma sheaths around them.
<v Speaker 3>These need to be distinguished.
<v Speaker 2>From some of the things that John Keel wrote about,
<v Speaker 2>you know, for decades in his research on UFOs in
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixties and seventies and books like The Muffman
<v Speaker 2>Prophecy and you know, Operation Trojan Horse.
<v Speaker 3>He developed this whole theory that there were there were
<v Speaker 3>energy beings or a kind of energy being that could
<v Speaker 3>that could develop a decentralized consciousness that could like project
<v Speaker 3>itself into many entities simultaneously, and that these energy entities
<v Speaker 3>could metamorphose and transform into what appeared to be solid
<v Speaker 3>UFOs and then back into energy. And he called them
<v Speaker 3>soft UFOs versus hard UFOs, and he thought that the
<v Speaker 3>soft UFOs were some kind of an energy entity that
<v Speaker 3>interacted with consciousness and potentially manipulated human perception, and that
<v Speaker 3>these entities could appear as solid objects in some cases,
<v Speaker 3>as one configuration of a solid object to one person
<v Speaker 3>and a different configuration of a solid object to another
<v Speaker 3>person standing right next to the first witness.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And in my treatment of the close encounter subject
<v Speaker 2>toward the end of my book Closer Encounters, I suggest
<v Speaker 2>that this kind of thing is evidence for a truly
<v Speaker 2>non human intelligence and potentially an artificial superintelligence that's engaging
<v Speaker 2>humanity and probably has been for all of human history, and.
<v Speaker 3>That the.
<v Speaker 2>Fingerprints or tentacle marks of this entity bear all the
<v Speaker 2>hallmarks of the trickster archetype. That it's a very playful
<v Speaker 2>in some senses, you know, a little bit terrifying and
<v Speaker 2>provocative in its behavioral pattern, and it's aiming to catalyze
<v Speaker 2>a certain type of development and mutation of human consciousness.
<v Speaker 2>So I think those types of orbs or energy manifestations
<v Speaker 2>need to be distinguished from the kind of plasma fusion
<v Speaker 2>technology that you've been researching.
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, and I think that's fair. And I
<v Speaker 1>have been pretty standoffish about the alien question, or at
<v Speaker 1>least noncommittal. I actually am open to really any interpretation
<v Speaker 1>that's out there. My bit and why the take that
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying is that I just think it's going
<v Speaker 1>to be probably whatever is like the least conventional or
<v Speaker 1>you know, something that we're not expecting. So machine superintelligence
<v Speaker 1>is one of the things that I you know, i'd
<v Speaker 1>give some way too, especially because now we look at
<v Speaker 1>how powerful AI has become. This is what I tell
<v Speaker 1>you is that look at how far our technology has advanced.
<v Speaker 1>It's advancing exponentially, especially over the last one hundred years
<v Speaker 1>or so. And you say, okay, well, our sun is
<v Speaker 1>going to last for several billion years. We believe let's
<v Speaker 1>just say that that's going to last for some That
<v Speaker 1>means civilizations could exist for millions, if not billions, of years,
<v Speaker 1>and ours has only been around for basically a fraction
<v Speaker 1>of that time. So if we figured this out in
<v Speaker 1>that period of time, aliens are going to be super advanced.
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason why there can't be a super advanced
<v Speaker 1>machine intelligence or even conscious intelligent and and I don't
<v Speaker 1>see a reason why plasma couldn't be conscious under the
<v Speaker 1>right conditions either, because if I don't want to say myself,
<v Speaker 1>but if the research into Evo's ball lightning also now
<v Speaker 1>called field diverse configuration plasmoids, is true, then dense enough
<v Speaker 1>plasma will self organize and can produce a stable structure,
<v Speaker 1>and once you've produced a stable structure, now it's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>what is that? Can that be conscious? Can that be alive?
<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of different definitions of life on
<v Speaker 1>this planet, from everything from plants to octopuses and squids
<v Speaker 1>and bacteria and then human beings. So I'm open to
<v Speaker 1>all of those things being totally possible. And for me,
<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of I know, the government must
<v Speaker 1>know more have a much better idea of what the
<v Speaker 1>situation is. Either there's a machine intelligence that's looking over
<v Speaker 1>us and it's been watching us and monitoring us our
<v Speaker 1>entire civilization. Maybe there's an underwater base like some people
<v Speaker 1>have claimed, you know, maybe that we've where civilizations just
<v Speaker 1>forgot are past. May it could be a lot of
<v Speaker 1>different things that are out there. Let's just get right
<v Speaker 1>into it actually here. So we've had because I think
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of the conversation we're having is weaved
<v Speaker 1>into what the topic the main topic for today, and
<v Speaker 1>so the main topic is actually a hypothesis, which is
<v Speaker 1>our UFOs nuclear weapons. And this can kind of be
<v Speaker 1>taken in a lot of different directions. So I'll just
<v Speaker 1>start with my opinion and then you can kind of
<v Speaker 1>start to feed off of that. I definitely wanted to
<v Speaker 1>dig into the historical aspects of it. But what I've
<v Speaker 1>discovered and based on our last conversation, is that like
<v Speaker 1>Tesla was right about this, Tom Bearden has been talking
<v Speaker 1>about Tesla being right about the science. Unification of quantum
<v Speaker 1>mechanics and general relativity have already been figured out for
<v Speaker 1>a long time. I think that what happened, and I
<v Speaker 1>actually agree that the technology I think kind of originally
<v Speaker 1>came from maybe the Nazis in World War Two, is
<v Speaker 1>that we built the hydrogen or the A bomb, and
<v Speaker 1>we took nuclear weapon research to the next level in
<v Speaker 1>the sixties with the H bomb. We built something called
<v Speaker 1>a clean fusion bomb, and then we passed a partial
<v Speaker 1>Nuclear test Ban treaty right after that. And when you
<v Speaker 1>look at the historical relevance, let's say, of the UFO topic,
<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic starts to take off like in the
<v Speaker 1>sixties seventies after that. Before that, yes, there were sightings
<v Speaker 1>like the Foo Fighters, et cetera. But it really just
<v Speaker 1>became a popular thing in pop culture after that period
<v Speaker 1>of time. And the thing that really blew me away
<v Speaker 1>because a lot of the sightings recently have been these
<v Speaker 1>energy orbs like John Ramirez talks about, or plasma orbs
<v Speaker 1>or things that are based on plasma, including like you said,
<v Speaker 1>the Congressional I think it was Eric Burlison that released
<v Speaker 1>that video of that plasma being hit by a hellfire
<v Speaker 1>missile breaking apart and keep going. So I was surprised
<v Speaker 1>to find out when I did the research into nuclear
<v Speaker 1>weapons that fried Art Winterberg, who was a Project paper
<v Speaker 1>Clip scientist, came over in like the fifties, I think
<v Speaker 1>at around the age of eighteen. He talked about non
<v Speaker 1>fish and ignition in thermonuclear weapons and his textbook about
<v Speaker 1>the physical principles of thermo nuclear weapons, and he says
<v Speaker 1>that we can use plasma basically, use plasma as an
<v Speaker 1>electric bomb, as an electric trigger to detonate a fusion bomb.
<v Speaker 1>And so what this would do is it would get
<v Speaker 1>rid of the a bomb portion of the thermonuclear weapon.
<v Speaker 1>Now you don't have that initial explosion that you're using
<v Speaker 1>to create the fusion reaction to happen. And so I
<v Speaker 1>sit there and I wonder, huh, maybe these orbs that
<v Speaker 1>are flying around are our fusion ignition devices that have
<v Speaker 1>been morphed into multiple purposes and uses that we took
<v Speaker 1>this nuclear weapons research and we said, Okay, we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>ban this so nobody else can do it. And then
<v Speaker 1>we start coming up with like the only way I
<v Speaker 1>can describe it as like customized nukes that have different purposes,
<v Speaker 1>some that maybe are just surveillance, some that are potentially,
<v Speaker 1>you know, super destructive, but then others that might manipulate
<v Speaker 1>space time. So what are your initial thoughts on this hypothesis.
<v Speaker 3>There's so much there, and you know reasons.
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons I was, you know, very keen
<v Speaker 2>on having this conversation with you, is that actually, for
<v Speaker 2>a certain period, very early on in my life, very
<v Speaker 2>early on, at a very young age, I thoroughly researched
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. I mean I was really into nuclear weapons
<v Speaker 2>technology and nuclear strategic doctrine. And it was at the
<v Speaker 2>same time as I got into UFOs in a serious way,
<v Speaker 2>and I always suspected that there was some deep connection
<v Speaker 2>between these two. Now, of course, this was decades before
<v Speaker 2>Robert Hastings came out with his monumental study of UFOs
<v Speaker 2>and nukes, showing you know how basically any nuclear you know,
<v Speaker 2>high energy, high entry nuclear, you know, event is like
<v Speaker 2>a flame for for the moths of the UFO phenomena.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're like you know, bees drawn to honey
<v Speaker 2>in terms of any nuclear signature.
<v Speaker 3>So he's he's extensively documented that.
<v Speaker 2>But you know, decades before that, I had the suspicion
<v Speaker 2>that there's some connection here and that you know, ultimately
<v Speaker 2>also justifies the classification of UFOs under nuclear secrets classification
<v Speaker 2>in the United States. So but you know, it was
<v Speaker 2>when I really started researching the technology of Nazi Germany
<v Speaker 2>and it's transferred to the United States in the late
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forties that I found a lot of information that
<v Speaker 2>I think is corroborative of what you've discovered, and it's
<v Speaker 2>very disturbing information, frankly, So let me just say it's
<v Speaker 2>not you know, it's not lost on me that what
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to share with the you know, listeners is
<v Speaker 2>deeply disturbing, especially for somebody who loves our country.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and this is some stuff.
<v Speaker 2>That I've also written about in greater detail on my
<v Speaker 2>sub stack. I have two pieces relevant to it, but
<v Speaker 2>one is called Nuking the Matrix, and I'll come to
<v Speaker 2>why I titled it that, and the other one is
<v Speaker 2>called the breakaway culture. And I think I'm also going
<v Speaker 2>to probably come out with one more piece timed together
<v Speaker 2>with whenever you release this conversation that focuses more specifically
<v Speaker 2>on the nuclear angle.
<v Speaker 3>So here's the deal.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, First of all, nuclear weapons were invented by Nazi Germany.
<v Speaker 2>They were not invented by the United States. Okay, nuclear
<v Speaker 2>fusion was discovered by Otto Haan and Fritz Strassmann in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty eight, and I think that by nineteen thirty nine,
<v Speaker 2>in very short order, they had already recognized the weapons
<v Speaker 2>application of this. And one thing that few people know
<v Speaker 2>is that the term Manhattan Project doesn't really come from
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you know, at Columbia University and at
<v Speaker 2>Los Alamos in various other places they were trying to
<v Speaker 2>figure out what the Germans meant by a nuclear weapon.
<v Speaker 2>It's because, beginning right there in nineteen thirty nine nineteen forty,
<v Speaker 2>the Germans had devised a plan to drop one of
<v Speaker 2>these on Manhattan. And there are these maps that the
<v Speaker 2>Allies discovered after the war that show Lower Manhattan as
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear target. They even flew these the largest cargo
<v Speaker 2>planes that they had, which was the what was it
<v Speaker 2>the yunkers, the Yunkers JU three ninety, which was a
<v Speaker 2>comparable nuclear payload capable plane as Thenola Gay that dropped
<v Speaker 2>the bombs on Hiroshima, Nagasaki. They flew these Yunkers three
<v Speaker 2>ninety right to the coast of Manhattan, photographed Manhattan.
<v Speaker 3>And flew back to Germany, in other words, as a
<v Speaker 3>kind of test run.
<v Speaker 2>So Manhattan Project comes from this, the term Manhattan Project.
<v Speaker 2>And I think there's good evidence to suggest and this
<v Speaker 2>evidence has been dug up primarily by let's say three researchers.
<v Speaker 2>One is Plimpton Carter Heidrich, who wrote a book called
<v Speaker 2>Critical Mass. Then you had this German author who wrote
<v Speaker 2>a book called Hitler's Bomb. What was this guy's name,
<v Speaker 2>I'll come back to it, but the book is called
<v Speaker 2>Hitler's Bomb. And then of course Joseph Farrell also has
<v Speaker 2>researched this, and specifically in his book Reich of the
<v Speaker 2>Black Sun. So there's evidence to suggest that the Heisenberg
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons program was a ruse and a red herring,
<v Speaker 2>that the Germans deliberately basically diluted and distracted the Allies
<v Speaker 2>by fronting this false nuclear program led by the most
<v Speaker 2>likely candidate. You know, the most brilliant nuclear physicist of Germany,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Werner Heisenberger, the guy you'd expect to be
<v Speaker 2>running the program, but that actually there was another secret
<v Speaker 2>program that was run by Kurt Deabner, Walter Gerloch and
<v Speaker 2>Hans Kammler and Ronald Richter. And so Walter Gerloch is
<v Speaker 2>important in this regard because Walter gerloch specialization was spin
<v Speaker 2>polarization and electromagnetic torsion. And Hans Kommler is significant because
<v Speaker 2>Hans Kammler has been identified as the leader of a
<v Speaker 2>project outside Prague in Czechoslovakia, in Celicia, where the Reich
<v Speaker 2>at the Skota Works was constructing this device that says
<v Speaker 2>hitherto been known as Degloca the bell, or another one
<v Speaker 2>of its names was the beehive the beaninstock because it
<v Speaker 2>made a bee buzzing sound when it was activated. And
<v Speaker 2>what this thing was was two counter rotating drums filled
<v Speaker 2>with a serum of mercury and thorium isotope and subjected
<v Speaker 2>to first extreme torsion by electromagnets, and then the plasma
<v Speaker 2>state that the nuclear isotope would go into would be
<v Speaker 2>magnetically compressed into fusion. That's what this bell device seems
<v Speaker 2>to have been. And meanwhile you've got Walter Gerloch also
<v Speaker 2>on this project, associated with Hans Kammler, specializing in spin
<v Speaker 2>polarization and electromagnetic mechanisms. Now there's a particular document in
<v Speaker 2>the National Archives that's really relevant here. It's called the
<v Speaker 2>Zenser Affidavid. It's an affidavit of a German pilot by
<v Speaker 2>the name Hans Zenser, who was We have in this
<v Speaker 2>memo the specific location that he took off from and
<v Speaker 2>what his flight root was, and the observation that he
<v Speaker 2>made in October of nineteen forty four of a detonation
<v Speaker 2>on the Baltic Sea coast of Germany where he saw
<v Speaker 2>a mushroom cloud with a pressure wave extending out from it,
<v Speaker 2>and inside the mushroom cloud various multi color lights fizzling,
<v Speaker 2>which is a sign of leftover fissile material continuing to
<v Speaker 2>react in a mushroom cloud. He also experienced the emp
<v Speaker 2>effects his radio went out as he was flying near
<v Speaker 2>this detonation. So it appears that what Hans Zinser is
<v Speaker 2>describing an October of nineteen forty four is some kind
<v Speaker 2>of a Nazi nuclear test. It'd be one thing if
<v Speaker 2>that was the only piece of documentation we have. There's
<v Speaker 2>also a report from an Italian journalist called Luigi Romersa,
<v Speaker 2>and what Luigi Romersa tells us is that Benito Mussolini
<v Speaker 2>sent him and a few other Italian dignitaries to Rugen
<v Speaker 2>Island in the Baltic Sea on October eleventh, nineteen forty four,
<v Speaker 2>and he says that when he got there, he saw
<v Speaker 2>there were a few other Italian dignitaries also sent by Mussolini,
<v Speaker 2>and there were some Japanese dignitaries. And what Romersa claims
<v Speaker 2>is that the Germans had them, quote unquote, put on
<v Speaker 2>something that looked like diving suits and go into a
<v Speaker 2>bonker on Rugen Island, and they witnessed the detonation of
<v Speaker 2>a device that flattened a bunch of the trees and
<v Speaker 2>some structures that they had set up there, I guess
<v Speaker 2>for structural stress tests. And after this they had to
<v Speaker 2>take shelter for a certain period of time, and then
<v Speaker 2>Romersa was flown to Berlin to be debriefed before he
<v Speaker 2>was sent back to Mussolini.
<v Speaker 3>I believe there are also.
<v Speaker 2>Some Japanese communicates that were in intercepted by the Allies
<v Speaker 2>around the same time where the Japanese are talking about
<v Speaker 2>a German test of a tremendous new weapon that had
<v Speaker 2>taken place. So we have two different accounts of this
<v Speaker 2>event from let's say October eleven to twelve on Rugen
<v Speaker 2>Island in the Baltic Sea. And then we have another
<v Speaker 2>account which comes from this guy Rayner Karl's book, Hitler's Bomb,
<v Speaker 2>of potentially a second test in March of nineteen forty
<v Speaker 2>five in an area known as the Thuringian Forest, near
<v Speaker 2>a town called Ordruf in the Thuringian Forest region. And interestingly,
<v Speaker 2>when the Allies were advancing on Nazi Germany, Hitler, Hitler
<v Speaker 2>whatever whoever was actually in charge at that point, which I,
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I don't think was Hitler, they prioritized
<v Speaker 2>the defense of this area over the defense of Berlin.
<v Speaker 2>They prioritize the defense of the Thuringian Forest area and
<v Speaker 2>of the Skoda works where Kammler was building the bell
<v Speaker 2>over the defense of Berlin, which tells you a lot.
<v Speaker 2>So apparently radiation tests in this area of the Thuringian
<v Speaker 2>Forest have picked up like traces of you know, potentially
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear detonation having taken place there.
<v Speaker 3>And there are.
<v Speaker 2>Witness accounts of German soldiers saying that like they brought
<v Speaker 2>concentration camp inmates there and their shadows were impressed on
<v Speaker 2>the stones like you would have seen it, you know, Hiroshima.
<v Speaker 2>But it was a very small blast. From witness accounts,
<v Speaker 2>it would have been something like three kilotons. So you
<v Speaker 2>have these, you know, accounts of German potential nuclear tests.
<v Speaker 2>Then there's the fact that, and this is coming mainly
<v Speaker 2>from Carter Heydrich's book Critical Mass, the memos exchanged between
<v Speaker 2>Oakridge and Los Alamo's laboratories in the months leading up
<v Speaker 2>to the Trinity test in July nineteen forty five showed
<v Speaker 2>that there wasn't anywhere near enough you we did not
<v Speaker 2>have anywhere near enough uranium for the Trinity device or
<v Speaker 2>for the Hiroshima bomb.
<v Speaker 3>The Nagasaki bomb was plutonium. And also they hadn't figured
<v Speaker 3>out the trigger mechanism properly for the Nagasaki bomb, the
<v Speaker 3>plutonium bomb. So lo and behold.
<v Speaker 2>In May of nineteen forty five, this German submarine comes
<v Speaker 2>over and on board is a nicely wrapped gift of
<v Speaker 2>a shit ton of uranium, and this guy Schlick, I
<v Speaker 2>think his name was Hans Schlick, who was an expert
<v Speaker 2>in the timing of plutonium bomb detonation, in other words,
<v Speaker 2>the equal application of the charge over the fisile material
<v Speaker 2>in the plutonium. But this was his expertise, and he
<v Speaker 2>just happens to be on the submarine with a shit
<v Speaker 2>ton of uranium which never was accounted for, and all
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, our deficit of uranium that we see
<v Speaker 2>in the memos between Oakridge and Los Alamos is solved,
<v Speaker 2>and we do the trinity test, and you know, we
<v Speaker 2>manufacture the Hiroshima bomb. By the way, the Hiroshima bum
<v Speaker 2>design was never tested before we dropped it in Japan.
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, that particular one was never tested. The plutonium
<v Speaker 2>one had been tested, but the uranium one wasn't. Why
<v Speaker 2>didn't we test Probably because we knew that it.
<v Speaker 3>Would work, because the Germans had already tested it.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's really compelling. And so I want to touch
<v Speaker 1>on a couple of those things that you said, which is,
<v Speaker 1>first of all, with the connection of nuclear weapons. I
<v Speaker 1>agree with you that there is this lore of the
<v Speaker 1>UFOs being connected to nukes and the idea goes that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think if you believe like Robert Bob Solace,
<v Speaker 1>for example, has got a pretty famous story about the
<v Speaker 1>UFOs shutting down nukes. So there's been this connection even
<v Speaker 1>with the nuclear power plant meltdown in Japan as well,
<v Speaker 1>that they claimed that they saw UFOs over that. But
<v Speaker 1>it always felt like there's gotta be more to it,
<v Speaker 1>which is why why I'm really glad we're doing a
<v Speaker 1>deep dive into this here, because I think you can
<v Speaker 1>just directly connect UFOs to nukes in a much more
<v Speaker 1>significant way, starting with the energy source and also with
<v Speaker 1>the classifications, because when we look at it, we go
<v Speaker 1>why is the Department of Energy the lead? Why are
<v Speaker 1>they over the UFO topic? If it's about aliens, it
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't wouldn't it be like literally anybody but the Department
<v Speaker 1>of Energy that would be in charge of it. But no,
<v Speaker 1>it's the Department of Energy because the question is what
<v Speaker 1>is the power source for these UFOs that are flying around?
<v Speaker 1>And then connecting it to the I mean, I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to give you even more to connect it to what
<v Speaker 1>you just said, just corroborate some of the stuff that
<v Speaker 1>you're saying here is that Heisenberg. Heisenberg was actually Frii
<v Speaker 1>Wrot Winnerberg's mentor, the guy that I was just mentioning
<v Speaker 1>whose textbook I read about thermonuclear weapons, that was his mentor.
<v Speaker 1>Was Heisenberg. That Heisenberg, the guy that we pulled over
<v Speaker 1>from Project paper Clip. And the shadows on the walls
<v Speaker 1>that you described that story that spooks me because that
<v Speaker 1>reminds me so much of them. Ah three seven zero
<v Speaker 1>video where you see the reflection of the plane, because
<v Speaker 1>it's if I'm right, and that's a we're looking at
<v Speaker 1>total internal reflection where which is just a physics phenomenon
<v Speaker 1>of waves, and you could see how if they use
<v Speaker 1>some kind of fusion bomb or experimental nuclear weapon on people,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it wormholed them somewhere else or rip them to
<v Speaker 1>shreds or something, and all that was left was their
<v Speaker 1>shadow on the wall, which is, like you said, horrific
<v Speaker 1>to even think about. I mean a lot of what
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about here, guys, is might trigger you if
<v Speaker 1>you are sensitive to any of these topics. So I apologize.
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I want to say is the deglock
<v Speaker 1>the Deglox connection is obviously been connected to the UFO
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon for a while. I find it to be the
<v Speaker 1>most credible explanation for anti gravity research. If you go
<v Speaker 1>back in the history of anti gravity research in general,
<v Speaker 1>you lead back to that. Two things that you mentioned
<v Speaker 1>related to it that I think hold a lot of
<v Speaker 1>weight when it comes to the physics. One is the buzz,
<v Speaker 1>the buzzing sound that it makes. Why is there a
<v Speaker 1>buzz Because we're using pulsed current. So when you use
<v Speaker 1>high frequency pulse current, is gonna sound just like a
<v Speaker 1>buzzing sound, just like a be wo sound. And that
<v Speaker 1>seems to be a very consistent requirement. And a lot
<v Speaker 1>of this anti gravitational or gravitational manipulation technology that I
<v Speaker 1>find is that you need to take a pulse current
<v Speaker 1>and you need to flow it through that potentially very
<v Speaker 1>high frequencies. Salvator Paist was actually just on my podcast
<v Speaker 1>last week talking about this idea that time itself is
<v Speaker 1>connected to frequency, and that if you have a rapid
<v Speaker 1>change or increase in frequency, you can potentially have a
<v Speaker 1>reversed and pooral excursion, which means that you can actually
<v Speaker 1>reverse the flow of time if you rapidly shift your frequency,
<v Speaker 1>which could then explain really all these anti gravitational effects
<v Speaker 1>that we're seeing. And then the last thing is the mercury,
<v Speaker 1>the mercury aspect spinning mercury, and I think you said
<v Speaker 1>thorium as well. But one thing I found was really
<v Speaker 1>interesting from a video I was watching a very smart
<v Speaker 1>individual who was doing research into plasma physics and like
<v Speaker 1>photon plasma physics, messing with light and stuff like that
<v Speaker 1>to get plasma to light up and to follow certain paths.
<v Speaker 1>He said that metal could almost be considered a plasma
<v Speaker 1>because if you look at what it requires to be
<v Speaker 1>a plasma, plasma has free electrons. We've ripped the electrons
<v Speaker 1>off of our atom, and so now we've got our
<v Speaker 1>free electrons, and we got this soup of electrons and
<v Speaker 1>positively charged ions together. And metal actually has a very
<v Speaker 1>high electron drift rate, so the electrons relatively free in
<v Speaker 1>metal as well. So you could actually imagine that there
<v Speaker 1>could be like a phase transition that happens in the
<v Speaker 1>mercury or what have you that basically has it act
<v Speaker 1>like a plasma.
<v Speaker 2>Now at that exactly, and also notice that mercury is
<v Speaker 2>particularly electromagnetically reactive, so for tortion, it's ideal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can even just see if you go
<v Speaker 1>on X or on social media, you'll find videos of
<v Speaker 1>people just taking mercury and connecting a circuit to it
<v Speaker 1>and then it just are to spin, you know, starts
<v Speaker 1>to spin as well. So I find all of that
<v Speaker 1>to have a huge amount of credibility with respect to
<v Speaker 1>the kind of story. So I guess what we're saying
<v Speaker 1>here is that, or at least the story is being presented,
<v Speaker 1>is that the United States basically stole nuclear weapons from
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis.
<v Speaker 2>Well, let me give you a few more data points
<v Speaker 2>before we still lead jump to conclusion, because I think
<v Speaker 2>the picture is even darker than that. Okay, okay, now
<v Speaker 2>before I'm going to lay out a couple more very
<v Speaker 2>specific data points that have to do with this. But
<v Speaker 2>just as a as a preface to that, I can
<v Speaker 2>only say this in a really abbreviated form right now,
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise we're going to go down the whole other
<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole. But let me point people to again a
<v Speaker 2>couple of articles on my substack, one called the Breakaway
<v Speaker 2>Culture and the other one Nuking the Matrix, in which
<v Speaker 2>I discussed this. I also discussed it in my book
<v Speaker 2>Closer encounters that people always talk about Operation paper Clip.
<v Speaker 2>They get that the Central Intelligence Agency was created through
<v Speaker 2>the integration of General Reinhardt Galen's Eastern European Nazi spy
<v Speaker 2>network into the OSS. Okay, Because we had to then
<v Speaker 2>shift our focus to the Soviet Union as the enemy,
<v Speaker 2>and the Nazis already had an extensive spy network in
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Europe behind Soviet enemy lines, the OSS made a
<v Speaker 2>deal to incorporate Galen's entire network into the United States,
<v Speaker 2>which became foundational for the CIA. Okay, So the CIA
<v Speaker 2>that's conducting paper Clip and bringing over all these Nazi
<v Speaker 2>scientists is an organization now co constituted by.
<v Speaker 3>SS officers, you follow.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now, what cards did General Galen have to play
<v Speaker 2>in order to make that deal? What cards did Martin
<v Speaker 2>Bormann have to play when somehow he convinced our allies,
<v Speaker 2>the British, particularly you know agent Ian Fleming, who went
<v Speaker 2>on to write the Bond Novels to facilitate eight Bormont's
<v Speaker 2>evacuation to Argentina, where Bormon, Martin Bormon, went on to
<v Speaker 2>have a joint bank account with one Paron into the
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. Bormon, who supposedly died three times. There's three
<v Speaker 2>conflicting accounts of his death. Is still writing checks in
<v Speaker 2>his own name in Buenos Aires through Chase Bank in
<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen sixties. Okay, and he's got a joint
<v Speaker 2>bank account, joint Swiss bank account with one paron. All right,
<v Speaker 2>all that's necessary preface for the couple of data points
<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to give you now. In nineteen forty six,
<v Speaker 2>one year before Roswell, there are news reports coming out
<v Speaker 2>of Spain, some of which were translated into the United
<v Speaker 2>States and did appear. I've seen the clippings in English,
<v Speaker 2>also talking about how Atto Skorzeny, the master of psychological
<v Speaker 2>operations of the Reich, is in Spain with General Francisco Franco,
<v Speaker 2>the only remaining Fascist lead in Europe, and they're launching
<v Speaker 2>quote rocket shaped saucers unquote toward the United States. And
<v Speaker 2>these rocket shaped saucers are quote nuclear powered unquote. It
<v Speaker 2>says it in the newspaper reports nuclear powered saucer shaped rockets.
<v Speaker 2>Because I didn't know what the fuck to call these things, right,
<v Speaker 2>so that's what they called them.
<v Speaker 3>And lo and behold. A year later Roswell.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and what's found in the roswell Craft velcrow kevlar
<v Speaker 2>night vision. Does this shit sound like you know, space
<v Speaker 2>alien technology to you, No, it sounds like what the
<v Speaker 2>Germans were testing in the North African desert cutting edge,
<v Speaker 2>you know, German military technology. So there's that as one
<v Speaker 2>data point. Now another data point. Nineteen fifty to fifty one,
<v Speaker 2>the German nuclear physicist Ronald Richter is in Bariloche, Argentina,
<v Speaker 2>with the protection and backing of one Parone who is
<v Speaker 2>promising the Argentine people that Richter will use this massive
<v Speaker 2>facility that's been built on Humo Island off Bariloche to
<v Speaker 2>produce fusion, clean, clean nuclear fusion power for Argentinians in
<v Speaker 2>the form of get this one Leader or half Leader
<v Speaker 2>devices One Leader half Leader devices with clean nuclear fusion.
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty two, the IAEA and local Argentines do
<v Speaker 2>a whole investigation into this and they say, no, we
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what the fuck this is. This isn't any
<v Speaker 2>fusion that we understand this. It must be a fraud,
<v Speaker 2>and the whole thing goes black. After that, Ricter remains
<v Speaker 2>under one Paron's personal protection, but this technology is never
<v Speaker 2>shared with the Argentine people, and eventually Richter goes to
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of interesting places Libya and other places. You know,
<v Speaker 2>the Germans also had an interesting footprint in the Arab
<v Speaker 2>world after World War Two. But then he comes back
<v Speaker 2>and he lives out the rest of his life in
<v Speaker 2>peace in Argentina. So what was this clean fusion? And
<v Speaker 2>by the way, to the day he died, Ronald Richter
<v Speaker 2>said it was not a fraud. I was not lying.
<v Speaker 2>This was a real technology, and you know, we did
<v Speaker 2>this thing. So and when they went into his facility,
<v Speaker 2>what they found were extremely high voltage electro magnets that
<v Speaker 2>were being used to compress plasma. Okay, that's nineteen fifty one. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>we achieved dirty fusion neutronic fusion in nineteen fifty two.
<v Speaker 2>What this suggests is that people well placed in the
<v Speaker 2>US intelligence community and probably a large number of corporatists
<v Speaker 2>who backed the rise of the Nazis in the first place.
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the Rockefellers, the Carlisles, the Bush family,
<v Speaker 2>and you know the people who set up the OSS.
<v Speaker 2>These people made a deal with Martin Bormann and Hans Kammler,
<v Speaker 2>and they had access to the kind of technology that
<v Speaker 2>the Bell Project represented, and the kind of technology that
<v Speaker 2>Ronald Richter was continuing to develop in Bariloche, and the
<v Speaker 2>kind of technology that was on board those sauce or
<v Speaker 2>shaped rockets that you know, Otto Skorzeni was launching across
<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic from Spain toward the United States. So what
<v Speaker 2>that presents to you is an argument for the Germans
<v Speaker 2>having achieved a neutronic nuclear fusion plasma fusion by nineteen
<v Speaker 2>fifty one. Now that makes a lot more sense out
<v Speaker 2>of why they would have been willing to give up
<v Speaker 2>the A bomb to America, because they had something that
<v Speaker 2>made atomic bombs look like matchsticks by comparison.
<v Speaker 1>And that's the same exact thing that you'll see some
<v Speaker 1>of these Black Project engineers say all the time. They'll
<v Speaker 1>say zero point energy makes nuclear weapons look like firecrackers. Right,
<v Speaker 1>So they're saying the same thing about UFO zero point
<v Speaker 1>energy technology that we're saying about fusion bombs. You just
<v Speaker 1>had something that really spooked to me. By the way,
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the Carlisle Group, and the Carlisle Group was
<v Speaker 1>actually part of a private consortium of equity firms that
<v Speaker 1>acquired Freescale Semiconductors in two thousand and six for seventeen
<v Speaker 1>point six billion dollars. Twenty engineers from that company were
<v Speaker 1>on the plane Malaysian Airlines Flight three seven zero that
<v Speaker 1>disappeared without a trace. That there's two videos of the
<v Speaker 1>plane being zapped by I can only describe plasma orbs,
<v Speaker 1>which I think is an anutronic fusion bomb that they
<v Speaker 1>used on the plane. So if that that is true,
<v Speaker 1>then you could almost draw a direct connection between the
<v Speaker 1>people that have figured out fusion and covered it up
<v Speaker 1>since nineteen fifty three and twenty fourteen, when a plane
<v Speaker 1>full of engineers flying to China happens to just disappear
<v Speaker 1>off the face of the earth and no one seems
<v Speaker 1>to know what happened to it anymore. Let me address
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things that you just mentioned, though, because
<v Speaker 1>you brought some really great points here, and we're starting
<v Speaker 1>now to get into how did the United States incorporate
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi technology, the Nazi intelligence and engineers and information
<v Speaker 1>from them. Joseph P. Ferrell I actually was able to
<v Speaker 1>finally communicate with him a little bit on email. Brilliant guy.
<v Speaker 1>He mentions Ronald Richter and the idea of clean fusion
<v Speaker 1>in some of his interviews. Before I talk about that, though,
<v Speaker 1>I want to say that, going back to the UFO
<v Speaker 1>topic excuse me, related to like the flying saucer that
<v Speaker 1>you just mentioned. Isn't it kind of interesting how UFOs
<v Speaker 1>have seemingly changed shape in the last thirty years. Like
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, when I was younger, it was all
<v Speaker 1>about flying saucers. That's what everybody was seeing, that's what
<v Speaker 1>everybody was reporting, And that seems to go back to
<v Speaker 1>the deglock et cetera. But now I don't nobody really
<v Speaker 1>talks about flying saucers anymore. Now it's all about plasma
<v Speaker 1>ORBS energy ORBS, et cetera. So are the aliens getting
<v Speaker 1>smarter and advancing while they're watching us? Or is it
<v Speaker 1>really just us getting better and getting more advanced? And
<v Speaker 1>now we're going from rudimentary gravity manipulation technology to really
<v Speaker 1>getting more advanced with microengineering, microelectronics, fabrication of microchips, things
<v Speaker 1>like that, to the point now where we can make
<v Speaker 1>some pretty scarily advanced stuff. That's just the thought. But
<v Speaker 1>I want to mention right now the clean fusion because
<v Speaker 1>this is like the second half.
<v Speaker 3>Real Q, really quick, just real quick.
<v Speaker 2>On that note, I saw your interview with Salvator Paies,
<v Speaker 2>the recent one, which was fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>I love that guy's attitude.
<v Speaker 2>He mentioned at one point, and you are surprised about
<v Speaker 2>biological organic components of computational systems, and you know there
<v Speaker 2>there recently have been stories about growing let's say, uh,
<v Speaker 2>neuronal organisms like you know, brain and a Petri dish
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, like growing aspects or elements of a
<v Speaker 2>human brain and connecting it to microchips and developing a
<v Speaker 2>hybrid you know, cybernetic.
<v Speaker 3>Computational system which.
<v Speaker 2>Would incorporate the quantum computational properties of the human brain
<v Speaker 2>together with the binary computational properties of like microchip you
<v Speaker 2>know based system.
<v Speaker 1>The brain chips are coming, and so is the like
<v Speaker 1>biological engineering. That's probably why we've banned cloning and why
<v Speaker 1>we've tribably put this huge stigma on like the nots
<v Speaker 1>trying to develop the perfect soul, the super soldier, because
<v Speaker 1>that's where this is all going. I mean, this is
<v Speaker 1>all headed in a direction where we are going to
<v Speaker 1>integrate with advanced the machine intelligence, and there are gonna
<v Speaker 1>be people that are being born where you're gonna have
<v Speaker 1>a question of, hey, do you want to have a
<v Speaker 1>brain chimp and planted in you when you're a baby,
<v Speaker 1>or are you gonna opt out of the of this?
<v Speaker 1>And if you're opted in now you have a permanent
<v Speaker 1>connection to everybody else. You have an Internet in your
<v Speaker 1>mind that you can just you know, communicate with anybody
<v Speaker 1>you want all the time. I think that's totally wild.
<v Speaker 1>But going back to the main topic here, the clean fusion.
<v Speaker 1>To me, that's the big secret. And so when you
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that oh Richter was promising clean fusion for the world,
<v Speaker 1>we had dirty fusion. So let me explain what this
<v Speaker 1>is for the audience, just in case they're not familiar.
<v Speaker 1>The thing that releases the radiation and the heat in
<v Speaker 1>the fusion bomb is the neutrons. The neutrons get released,
<v Speaker 1>and the neutrons are the heat. Those are the radiation.
<v Speaker 1>So when they talk about a clean fusion bomb, which
<v Speaker 1>you hear this referenced all the time, clean fusion, clean
<v Speaker 1>fusion bomb. But people go, what does that mean? That
<v Speaker 1>means there's no neutrons or minimum neutrons that are being
<v Speaker 1>released in the interaction. Turns out this is a real thing.
<v Speaker 1>It's called a neutronic fusion. That's the name for it.
<v Speaker 1>There are several companies that are actually doing this right now,
<v Speaker 1>including Trialpha Energy and Helium Fusion. Helium Fusion was initially
<v Speaker 1>funded by the Department of Energy. They got Mythral Capital,
<v Speaker 1>Peter Thiel's company that invested in them, and now Sam
<v Speaker 1>Altman is the chairman of Helium Fusion as well. And
<v Speaker 1>the way that it works is it comes down to
<v Speaker 1>the fuel source that you use. So it was actually
<v Speaker 1>Joseph P. Farrell clip that I was watching where I
<v Speaker 1>think he says it was Richter that I believe was
<v Speaker 1>working on the bomb, working on the hydrogen bomb, and
<v Speaker 1>he goes or he may have been talking about the
<v Speaker 1>Castle Bravotes. I can't remember the exact contact, but he says,
<v Speaker 1>I added a little bit of boron to my lithium
<v Speaker 1>plasma mix. Add a little boron to it, and that's
<v Speaker 1>how I was able to get this massive reaction. I
<v Speaker 1>think he was talking about the Castle Bravo detonation. I
<v Speaker 1>could be wrong on that.
<v Speaker 3>So because it had a much higher than they anticipated.
<v Speaker 1>Did They anticipated six megatons I believe, but it was
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen instead, And so he gets asked, what was
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you did? Oh, I added a little
<v Speaker 1>bit of boron. So here you go. There are three
<v Speaker 1>a neutronic fusion fuels, just three. I found out about
<v Speaker 1>them because I was taking a look at a two
<v Speaker 1>thousand and five JANF presentation which is like Joint NASA,
<v Speaker 1>Air Force, Navy, et cetera. And they're talking about fusion
<v Speaker 1>the whole PowerPoint and it goes next generation fusion fuels.
<v Speaker 1>Number one helium three. That stuck out to me because
<v Speaker 1>I went, wait, isn't everybody talking about mining helium three
<v Speaker 1>on the moon? Like why do I didn't know what
<v Speaker 1>we need helium three four? But I'm went, oh, if
<v Speaker 1>helium three can be used as a new chronic fusion
<v Speaker 1>fuel clean energy, and then what are the other two?
<v Speaker 1>One of them wasn't even listed, but the other one
<v Speaker 1>was boron eleven proton boron eleven fusion is a neutronic
<v Speaker 1>turns out, this is the goal that helium fusion is
<v Speaker 1>aiming for. Is they're trying to aim for boron eleven fusion. Now,
<v Speaker 1>the downside, people say is that it takes a much
<v Speaker 1>higher temperature to achieve this level of fusion than conventional
<v Speaker 1>neutronic fusion. And so they say, oh, well, if we
<v Speaker 1>can't do neutronic fusion, then why would we even bother
<v Speaker 1>with something that's even more difficult with the temperature requirement,
<v Speaker 1>energy requirements even higher than that. The third fuel, which
<v Speaker 1>is harder to find out about, is lithium six lithium seven.
<v Speaker 1>Turns out, lithium six and lithium seven are used in
<v Speaker 1>thermonuclear weapons, and so it's very controlled in terms of
<v Speaker 1>who potentially has access to it. I did do a
<v Speaker 1>little bit of research and found out that the public
<v Speaker 1>sentiment is that that lithium won't work for a neutronic
<v Speaker 1>fusion due to the reaction how much energy is being
<v Speaker 1>released from it. I'm a little skeptical of those claims,
<v Speaker 1>just because we're literally using it in thermonuclear weapons. So
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's just something you mix in there. I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 1>So how does this become clean energy? How does this
<v Speaker 1>become unlimited energy? Well, the people that realize that we
<v Speaker 1>people realize that we potentially don't need to hit ignition
<v Speaker 1>to get over unity from these devices. So helium fusion
<v Speaker 1>has come out and said, well, we're not even aiming
<v Speaker 1>for ignition, that we can actually create our electrical system
<v Speaker 1>that harnesses this energy by recuperating the input energy, just
<v Speaker 1>like with the electric car, how the electric car breaks
<v Speaker 1>and recuperates the energy. They so that we can actually
<v Speaker 1>get the input energy down so low that we can
<v Speaker 1>achieve excess output energy from creating these plasma reactions at
<v Speaker 1>a lower temperature than ignition. And an ignition we would say,
<v Speaker 1>because I've talked to some prominent people, I'm not going
<v Speaker 1>to say exactly who, but they always ask me, why
<v Speaker 1>is a neutronic fusion gonna be the answer compared to
<v Speaker 1>these other fusion companies, And I tell them one, it's
<v Speaker 1>direct energy conversion. So you say, okay, what does a
<v Speaker 1>clean h bomb look like? What does that actually look like? Well,
<v Speaker 1>we just said that a clean bomb has no neutrons
<v Speaker 1>or minimum neutros, So that means there'll be no heat
<v Speaker 1>and no radiation, So what does that actually look That
<v Speaker 1>just means that what you're releasing is pure energy, pure electricity,
<v Speaker 1>if you want to think of it like that. And
<v Speaker 1>so I say it, of course, if I'm aiming for fusion,
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't I be aiming for the thing that produces direct electricity?
<v Speaker 1>Whereas normal nuclear reactors right now basically just heat up water,
<v Speaker 1>boil it it creates steam and then we spin a
<v Speaker 1>turbine with the steam. If you believe David Kirkley, who's
<v Speaker 1>the CEO of helium Fusion, and I do, then the
<v Speaker 1>difference in efficiency is about thirty percent of fish agency
<v Speaker 1>for an a neutronic or a neutronic fusion reaction, and
<v Speaker 1>an anutronic reaction is ninety percent or higher efficiency and
<v Speaker 1>direct energy conversion to electricity. So it turns out a
<v Speaker 1>neutronic fusion is the thing that we all thought about
<v Speaker 1>when we were kids, how we thought nuclear power work.
<v Speaker 1>That's actually how it really works. And then if we
<v Speaker 1>don't need to hit ignition, this is the other big
<v Speaker 1>critical thing. They say, well, the reason why we're not
<v Speaker 1>aiming for this is because ignition level of temperature is
<v Speaker 1>so high and we can't even figure that out. But
<v Speaker 1>David Kirkley says, no, actually we can. Our optimal run
<v Speaker 1>temperature is not even at ignition levels. Is that we're
<v Speaker 1>not with ignition. What we're trying to is make a
<v Speaker 1>little sun. We're trying to make a sun that self
<v Speaker 1>perpetuates so that it sits there forever and it just
<v Speaker 1>keeps going forever. With helium fusion, they're just doing short
<v Speaker 1>bursts of plasma at each other, so they're not trying
<v Speaker 1>to get this permanent sun to exist. And when they
<v Speaker 1>do this, according to their math, they can achieve over
<v Speaker 1>unity at temperatures that are ten times lower than ignition.
<v Speaker 1>So this gets around all of the problems that people
<v Speaker 1>have related to it. And so just to add on
<v Speaker 1>and kind of close out this thought process is that
<v Speaker 1>I could absolutely see a world where this gets figured
<v Speaker 1>out in the fifties, in the sixties, and now we
<v Speaker 1>have inertial confinement fusion, which is what confining the plasma
<v Speaker 1>with magnetic fields is all about. We've got inertial confinement fusion.
<v Speaker 1>But now we've got a major problem on our hands
<v Speaker 1>here because now we have the answer to unlimited green
<v Speaker 1>energy for the rest of all of civilization, for the
<v Speaker 1>rest of all of civilization basically, And it's also tied
<v Speaker 1>to extremely dangerous weapons, weapons that are beyond what we
<v Speaker 1>think of as what we did with Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
<v Speaker 1>Weapons that can potentially manipulate space time itself and could
<v Speaker 1>annihilate the whole planet, maybe the whole Solar system in
<v Speaker 1>just the blink of an eye. So this is where
<v Speaker 1>I want to say. One last thought is that three
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite authors are Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov,
<v Speaker 1>and Robert Heinlend Heinland apparently, and all these guys they
<v Speaker 1>pushed this idea of what did they call it, basically
<v Speaker 1>hard sci fi, the idea that the science fiction they
<v Speaker 1>would write would be based on real physics. And Heinland
<v Speaker 1>believed that the only way that we wouldn't annihilate ourselves
<v Speaker 1>with thermonuclear winter would be that if we created a
<v Speaker 1>one world government. How interesting is that given the context
<v Speaker 1>of the potential secrecy of these weapons, the collusion potentially
<v Speaker 1>between the Nazis and the United States, and then the
<v Speaker 1>massive implications of the weapons, which I think I first
<v Speaker 1>heard you talk about on Danny Jones saying that we
<v Speaker 1>can't give everybody a time machine because if these weapons
<v Speaker 1>are able to manipulate space time, now you're giving people
<v Speaker 1>a literal time machine. So now you've created pretty much
<v Speaker 1>an ultimate weapon.
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, So now I'm going to share something with
<v Speaker 2>you that's even creepier, and that has to do with
<v Speaker 2>the potential engineering, re engineering of space time metrics using
<v Speaker 2>nuclear weapons. Yes, and again I would refer people to
<v Speaker 2>my essay called nuking the matrix. And I'll tell you
<v Speaker 2>why I called it that it may surprise many people
<v Speaker 2>to discover that the first scientist, first serious person to
<v Speaker 2>ever consider the possibility that we're living inside a computational matrix,
<v Speaker 2>was the German computer scientist Conrad Zeusa. Conrad Zusa was
<v Speaker 2>the Nazi Alan Turing, and Turing was racing against Zusa.
<v Speaker 2>So Zusa actually was in the lead in computer development
<v Speaker 2>of World War Two, working with much better, smaller transistors
<v Speaker 2>than the ones that we had. The German subsidiary of
<v Speaker 2>IBM was found to be about ten years ahead of
<v Speaker 2>American technology when we went into Nazi Germany. So Conrad
<v Speaker 2>Zusa is the Nazi Alan Turing.
<v Speaker 3>And guess what he figures out in the nineteen forties.
<v Speaker 2>He looks at all the anomalies on the quantum level,
<v Speaker 2>like wave particle duality and quantum entanglement, and he says,
<v Speaker 2>you know what this looks like to me? This looks
<v Speaker 2>like some kind of a efficient computational process. It looks
<v Speaker 2>to me like a computational system is trying to efficiently
<v Speaker 2>process information. And that's why we have things like the
<v Speaker 2>fact that a particle isn't rendered unless it's being observed.
<v Speaker 2>Comes up with this on the nine teen forties. And
<v Speaker 2>here's the more disturbing thing that he says. Based on
<v Speaker 2>the model he develops, which he calls Rechinander realm calculating space.
<v Speaker 2>In other words, space itself is a calculating medium, he says.
<v Speaker 3>You know, if this.
<v Speaker 2>Model is correct, the system generally can render local reality
<v Speaker 2>very rapidly and consistently and in a stable manner. But
<v Speaker 2>if it's locally disrupted by an extremely volatile, high entropy event,
<v Speaker 2>you might.
<v Speaker 3>Start to see glitches in the matrix.
<v Speaker 2>They would be observable on the level of quantum experimentation,
<v Speaker 2>like shooting photons and stuff, you'll start to get experimental
<v Speaker 2>results that are off if there's a very high entropy
<v Speaker 2>dynamic event taking place. And what did he consider the
<v Speaker 2>best candidate for such an event in nuclear explosion.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, let me add on to that real quick, which
<v Speaker 1>is so, when I investigated the people that developed the
<v Speaker 1>H bomb and advanced the H bomb, John Knuckles Lowell Wood,
<v Speaker 1>for example, they actually proposed paper in nineteen seventy four
<v Speaker 1>to test general relativity using thermonuclear weapons. And what were
<v Speaker 1>they implying? The exact same thing that you just said,
<v Speaker 1>that thermonuclear weapons might be manipulating space time, they might
<v Speaker 1>be producing gravitational ripples, gravitational waves. Why were they thinking
<v Speaker 1>that in nineteen seventy four, Why were they publishing public
<v Speaker 1>scientific papers about that. They had to have known that
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what was going on. And this is where
<v Speaker 1>I say, oh, my goodness, it must the UFO topic
<v Speaker 1>must be connected to nukes. And let me even take
<v Speaker 1>it a step further, because now in retrospect, to me,
<v Speaker 1>it's obvious. You go, wait a minute, how do they
<v Speaker 1>say that we would manipulate space time? How would we
<v Speaker 1>manipulate gravity? Well, we need a huge amount of mass,
<v Speaker 1>they say. In order to make a wormhole, we need
<v Speaker 1>the mass of Jupiter right here. If I had a
<v Speaker 1>massive je if I had a Jupiter right here, then
<v Speaker 1>space time would be getting bents all around Jupiter because
<v Speaker 1>it's producing all this grap We all understand that. Take
<v Speaker 1>it to the next level, Einstein said, E equals mc squared.
<v Speaker 1>That means there's an exchange of energy and mass. That means,
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about these calculations, we can interchange mass
<v Speaker 1>and energy with one another. That means we don't just
<v Speaker 1>need the mass of Jupiter. We can take the energy
<v Speaker 1>mass of Jupiter and that will do the exact same thing. Now,
<v Speaker 1>what were we doing with thermonuclear weapons, Well, we were
<v Speaker 1>trying to make them very, very powerful. Remember we just
<v Speaker 1>said about Castle Bravo. It was two and a half
<v Speaker 1>times more powerful than what we expected. And then we
<v Speaker 1>took it even further. Then John Knuckles in the sixties said,
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I can make it even more efficient.
<v Speaker 1>If I use geometry and get our waves to collapse
<v Speaker 1>perfectly onto a point, I can amplify that even higher,
<v Speaker 1>increase the gain, increase the amount of energy output relative
<v Speaker 1>to the amount of energy input. So now you have
<v Speaker 1>to start to wonder, Wait, how much did they really
<v Speaker 1>amplify that energy, and especially if they did it anutronically,
<v Speaker 1>which is three times more efficient than neutronic fusion bomb
<v Speaker 1>might be last thought is this So now we've connected, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>we can potentially get this huge amount of energy, which
<v Speaker 1>is what we would need to manipulate space time. But
<v Speaker 1>are there scientific papers that support it? Yeah? There is.
<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's a really famous one by a guy
<v Speaker 1>named Harold Pudoff where Timbershet of Congress held up his
<v Speaker 1>scientific paper in twenty twenty three during the UFO hearing,
<v Speaker 1>he said, here's a little light reading for you. What
<v Speaker 1>is the name of that paper, Polarizable Vacuum Model Spacetime
<v Speaker 1>metric Engineering by hal Putoff, And in that he says
<v Speaker 1>that we can unify electromagnetism in general relativity. And this
<v Speaker 1>basic idea is that electromagnetism will manipulate space time to
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy to allow anti gravity manipulation as well
<v Speaker 1>as potentially a wormhole in theory. So now we've got
<v Speaker 1>all the basis to put it all together. Plus just
<v Speaker 1>another little tidbit for you. I just watched a video
<v Speaker 1>or hal Putoff is sitting next to Edward Teller at
<v Speaker 1>dinner telling him his theories. And you're sitting here going,
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute. People are saying, Edward Teller is like
<v Speaker 1>the guy that knows all the secrets. Right. They had
<v Speaker 1>probably a whole crisis of conscience when the guy who
<v Speaker 1>died because we had to pass these secrets onto somebody else.
<v Speaker 1>So why is hal Putoff now sitting in the meeting
<v Speaker 1>with him? So this is where I think you can
<v Speaker 1>pretty much draw a straight line between thermonuclear weapons directly
<v Speaker 1>to space time manipulation and the UFO topic.
<v Speaker 2>Good, yes, and I can add a couple of elements
<v Speaker 2>to that that even fill out the physics in a
<v Speaker 2>more compelling way.
<v Speaker 3>You have to add the work that was done by.
<v Speaker 2>Ralph Landauer in the nineteen sixties, also a German, although
<v Speaker 2>a Jewish German who was escaping the Nazis, and then
<v Speaker 2>John Archibald Wheeler. And what took place between Ralph Landauer
<v Speaker 2>and John Archibald Wheeler was the recognition that it's not
<v Speaker 2>just energy and matter that are interconvertible, you know, ala Einstein.
<v Speaker 2>They realized that there's a third term in this interconvertibility,
<v Speaker 2>which is information. And this speaks to why you know, observation,
<v Speaker 2>the the the the integral element of the observer in
<v Speaker 2>the collapse of the wave function in quantum mechanics already
<v Speaker 2>tells us that information processing, namely by an observer, is
<v Speaker 2>integral to fundamental physics.
<v Speaker 3>And what.
<v Speaker 2>John Archibald Wheeler developed, building on Rolf Landauer, was the
<v Speaker 2>idea that energy and matter are different states of information.
<v Speaker 3>Now, Conrad Zusa already realized this.
<v Speaker 2>The Nazi German computer scientists Conrad used in the nineteen
<v Speaker 2>forties and what zeus say is saying is that when
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear bomb goes off, the computational system can't catch
<v Speaker 2>up with the disruption to the normal rendering algorithm, so
<v Speaker 2>the mesh of the matrix is sheared locally. Now, if
<v Speaker 2>Wheeler is right, and if what people want more detail,
<v Speaker 2>I wrote about this in my book Satanion. If Wheeler
<v Speaker 2>is more If Wheeler is right about this, then what
<v Speaker 2>we call dark matter is actually an informational cloud. It's
<v Speaker 2>a form of matter that's not electromagnetically detectable, but that
<v Speaker 2>contains information and has gravitational effects, massive gravitational effects. Now,
<v Speaker 2>if we're living in a computational similachrum and the space
<v Speaker 2>the spatial matrix what Conrad Zusa called the Rechnander around
<v Speaker 2>the calculating space gets torn locally around the nuclear explosion,
<v Speaker 2>it could be that that opens up cracks through which
<v Speaker 2>we have access to dark matter that is much more massive,
<v Speaker 2>and that dark matter then could warp the space time
<v Speaker 2>matrix locally in an even more significant way. In other words,
<v Speaker 2>if our similarchrum is nested inside a larger quantum computational
<v Speaker 2>system and it's being projected from outside, some kind of
<v Speaker 2>from out of some kind of cloud informational processing medium
<v Speaker 2>like dark matter. Cracks in the local space time mesh
<v Speaker 2>could allow a denser, more gravitationally disruptive form of matter
<v Speaker 2>to also further impact the.
<v Speaker 3>Space time.
<v Speaker 2>In the environs of a nuclear explosion, which brings me to.
<v Speaker 3>The other thing. Yes, it could be that nukes.
<v Speaker 2>Are surveiling nuclear power plants and surveiling nuclear stockpiles, and
<v Speaker 2>there's a great deal of evidence for that that Robert Hastings,
<v Speaker 2>you know, is laid.
<v Speaker 3>Out in his book on UFOs and nukes.
<v Speaker 2>But there's another possibility as well, and they're not mutually exclusive,
<v Speaker 2>and that's that some of the UFOs that we see,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Beatrice Villaroil's recent study of the Palomar plates
<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen fifties seems to suggest that tens of
<v Speaker 2>thousands of these things would show up, especially like within
<v Speaker 2>hours of a nuclear explosion. And one possibility is that
<v Speaker 2>they're coming from other dimensions. That when a nuke locally
<v Speaker 2>shears the fabric of space time, cracks open that allow
<v Speaker 2>access to other dimensions, and that you know, craft that
<v Speaker 2>come from basically other simulacra are breaking through into ours.
<v Speaker 2>That's also a possibility, and David Lynch played with that
<v Speaker 2>in a very interesting way in the third season of
<v Speaker 2>his Twin Peaks television series. It's basically built on this
<v Speaker 2>idea that you know, beginning in nineteen forty five, when
<v Speaker 2>we started setting off nukes, we sort of compromise the
<v Speaker 2>space show temporal fabric in a way that allowed things
<v Speaker 2>from other dimensions to get in to our world. So
<v Speaker 2>that's another thing, you know, worth considering here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me jump out. Yeah, because John Wheeler,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, guy's a legend. Although he doesn't get probably
<v Speaker 1>nearly enough credit, he was also one of the help
<v Speaker 1>developers of the h bomb. Originally, he's the guy that
<v Speaker 1>coined the term wormhole and black hole. Actually, so when
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about these concepts, people should probably listen because
<v Speaker 1>he's one of the people that was on the forefront
<v Speaker 1>of these ideas back in the fifties and the sixties.
<v Speaker 1>Out there, I think you conceptualize it very well. Personally,
<v Speaker 1>I have a slightly different take on the dark energy.
<v Speaker 1>I just think the dark energy dark matter is just
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy. It's the latent energy of space time itself.
<v Speaker 1>And yes, I do think we're absolutely making cracks in it,
<v Speaker 1>we're bending it, we're manipulating that. I think this you
<v Speaker 1>could think of as the zero point energy, as space
<v Speaker 1>time itself, as the reason why there's distance between here
<v Speaker 1>and I.
<v Speaker 3>Disagreeing with you at all. I'm not disagreeing with you
<v Speaker 3>at all.
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'm just saying that it's an informational medium.
<v Speaker 3>Zero an informational medium.
<v Speaker 1>And let me add to that. So, I'm not sure
<v Speaker 1>if you know about Charles Chase, but he's a legendary
<v Speaker 1>Lockheed Martin engineer. He was a leader of the Revolutionary
<v Speaker 1>Technologies division of the Lockheed Martin skunk Works. And I
<v Speaker 1>know Jesse Michael spoke to him because Jesse Michael said,
<v Speaker 1>I spoke to the guy who is a leader of
<v Speaker 1>the Revolutionary Technologies of it, and I'm going I know
<v Speaker 1>who that guy is. That's Charles Chase. And Charles Chase
<v Speaker 1>replied to one of my emails. These guys almost never
<v Speaker 1>replied to my emails, by the way, and when hal
<v Speaker 1>Pudaff responds, they not only got back like five word
<v Speaker 1>answers from him, even though I wrote out like the
<v Speaker 1>whole history of his research. But Charles Chase said something
<v Speaker 1>really interesting about zero point energy. I actually asked him,
<v Speaker 1>do you believe in the ether, which is, you know,
<v Speaker 1>this idea of this extra dimension of energy, and he says,
<v Speaker 1>I do think the idea of that ether is real.
<v Speaker 1>And he says, I think that also it has a memory.
<v Speaker 1>So this speaks directly to what you're saying about space
<v Speaker 1>time being an informational medium. Is that what Charles Chase
<v Speaker 1>is implying is that what we do is remembered in
<v Speaker 1>space time. Space time is rendering kind of what is happening.
<v Speaker 1>And this is also connected to coherence and decoherence with
<v Speaker 1>you know, the double slit experiment and quantum mechanics. So
<v Speaker 1>one more thing I want to say in quant mechanics
<v Speaker 1>is that tunneling is directly.
<v Speaker 2>At Nikola Tesla believed that Nikola Tesla became friends with
<v Speaker 2>Swami Vivekananda and they had long conversations about Sanskrit metaphysics together,
<v Speaker 2>and Tesla came aloud around to believing that the ether
<v Speaker 2>was an informational medium that stored.
<v Speaker 3>Memory, that was, it was a memory storage system.
<v Speaker 2>And he said, basically, the Hindus were kind of on
<v Speaker 2>the right track when they called it the Akasha.
<v Speaker 3>The acoustic record of the cosmos.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me this is perfect. I had this up
<v Speaker 1>on my screen right here. This is perfect. So I've
<v Speaker 1>got this thing about Tesla, told Lord Kelvin at his
<v Speaker 1>visit with the median German freesser Hermann von Helmholtz. Helmholtz
<v Speaker 1>is pretty famous physicists as well, and they talked about
<v Speaker 1>the idea of ether and vortex rings. He says in
<v Speaker 1>the question what passes on the impulse? Kelvin came to
<v Speaker 1>the conclusion are they are vortices in the ether. With
<v Speaker 1>that he had found an answer and experience with his students,
<v Speaker 1>he built boxes with which he could produce smoke rings
<v Speaker 1>to be able to study and demonstrate and experiments the
<v Speaker 1>special properties of ring like vortices and their flow. Technical analogy.
<v Speaker 1>So what these guys believed, these basically pioneers of electromagnetism.
<v Speaker 1>They believe we were in a medium and they believe
<v Speaker 1>vortex motions somehow interacted with that medium. I think that
<v Speaker 1>what we found now recently, especially as if you guys
<v Speaker 1>look up like optical traps, we're using light to measure vortices,
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that's what we're essentially doing. But
<v Speaker 1>with much more advanced technology and experimentation nowadays compared to
<v Speaker 1>what we did in the past. And I think what
<v Speaker 1>we're realizing is, yes, there really is a medium, and
<v Speaker 1>we know it for a fact. The question is how
<v Speaker 1>do we interact with it in a meaningful way. Salvator
<v Speaker 1>Paist would say that, and I don't want to be
<v Speaker 1>speaking for him, but I believe he would say that
<v Speaker 1>we need to break make our system go far from equilibrium.
<v Speaker 1>And also I think just from in general my research,
<v Speaker 1>that you only begin to see some of these effects
<v Speaker 1>at very high energy levels, which also imply that we
<v Speaker 1>need this huge energy level to break through that medium.
<v Speaker 1>You get close enough to that threshold, then you start
<v Speaker 1>to see those effects, but before that you don't really
<v Speaker 1>see them. And this is the reason why when people
<v Speaker 1>are doing small scale experiments for anti gravitational technologies, they
<v Speaker 1>don't get major effects. This is why, like Eugene Popklanov,
<v Speaker 1>when he talks about spinning superconductors to produce these thrust
<v Speaker 1>why it's so easy to debunk it because the measurements
<v Speaker 1>are so tiny and the margin of air is so
<v Speaker 1>high that people can say, oh, well, it's just within
<v Speaker 1>the margin of air. You didn't really prove that the
<v Speaker 1>thing is real. But this is why high energy physics
<v Speaker 1>is so important, because the people that are doing the
<v Speaker 1>highest energy physics, they're going to be the ones that
<v Speaker 1>are going to see this because you've got to get
<v Speaker 1>up to this threshold. First, do you have any comments
<v Speaker 1>on that? And then I have a couple other things ahead.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, so no, I agree with all of that.
<v Speaker 2>I agree with the brunt of it, but I would
<v Speaker 2>like to add this that you know, when you think
<v Speaker 2>about aneutronic fusion, in other words, clean thermonuclear detonations, you
<v Speaker 2>also have to realize that the main reason we haven't
<v Speaker 2>had a nuclear war is because of the danger of fallout, right,
<v Speaker 2>the danger of radioactive contamination of the areas where detonations
<v Speaker 2>take place, and then fallout patterns that, because of the
<v Speaker 2>nature of weather systems, will deposit the radiation over hundreds
<v Speaker 2>of miles across oceans in some cases. I mean, look
<v Speaker 2>what happened with Fukushima. I mean cattle in Washington State
<v Speaker 2>and Oregon were radiated. So the reason we haven't had
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear war is mainly because of the radiation that
<v Speaker 2>comes from the fusion, sorry, the fission trigger, the neutronic
<v Speaker 2>fission trigger in a fusion bomb. That's why nuclear weapons
<v Speaker 2>were never used on a large scale. Now, if it
<v Speaker 2>were known that it was possible, and of course this
<v Speaker 2>is why the Nazis interested in this in the first place, Right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the best nuke is a nuke you can
<v Speaker 2>set off in a target area and then your soldiers
<v Speaker 2>can move in immediately without fear of radiation. Right, So,
<v Speaker 2>if it were known that you could use nuclear weapons
<v Speaker 2>on a large scale without any danger of radioactive contamination,
<v Speaker 2>nuclear war would be a lot more likely. Now, consider
<v Speaker 2>what we were saying about Conrad Zeus's observations, or rather
<v Speaker 2>Congrad Zeus's speculation about how the extremely high entropy dynamic
<v Speaker 2>energetic event of a nuclear detonation could shear or compromise
<v Speaker 2>the rendering of local space time. What would be the
<v Speaker 2>effects of hundreds of a neutronic thermonuclear weapons going off
<v Speaker 2>simultaneously on the planet. Could it be that at that point,
<v Speaker 2>like you see in the movie The Thirteenth Floor, where
<v Speaker 2>you know, the guy sees the mesh of the matrix,
<v Speaker 2>He drives to the edge of fake Los Angeles and
<v Speaker 2>there the road ends and he sees the mesh of
<v Speaker 2>the matrix. Could it be that if we had a
<v Speaker 2>global nuclear war from a nuclear war but using a
<v Speaker 2>neutronic fusion devices, it would so thoroughly fuck up the
<v Speaker 2>spatiotemporal matrix that we would basically see the mesh of
<v Speaker 2>the computational system that we're inside of. And maybe that's
<v Speaker 2>why the entities on the other side of the UFO
<v Speaker 2>phenomenon are obsessed with making sure that we don't set
<v Speaker 2>off nuclear weapons on a large scale, because it might
<v Speaker 2>show us something about the nature of the world that
<v Speaker 2>we're living in that they don't want us seeing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sorry, So I think that I want to address
<v Speaker 1>a few of those points, and I do want to
<v Speaker 1>talk about this idea of breaking the matrix, but a
<v Speaker 1>couple other points on the science of it real quick.
<v Speaker 1>On an internal nuclear weaponson with throughout there is tunneling.
<v Speaker 1>Quantum tunneling is used in fusion. In fact, that's how
<v Speaker 1>we break the Coulon barrier. So if we have two
<v Speaker 1>ions that are positively charged, two positively charged things should
<v Speaker 1>repel each other. So when we get fusion happening, the
<v Speaker 1>idea is that we're creating so much pressure and heat
<v Speaker 1>that we're forcing these things together to get over that
<v Speaker 1>Coulon barrier. Now, if you research cold fusion and some
<v Speaker 1>theories around cold fusion, you'll find there's a resonance model
<v Speaker 1>of it that how are we able to get fusion
<v Speaker 1>to happen at these low temperatures that don't require that?
<v Speaker 1>And they say, oh, well, it's resonance that will allow
<v Speaker 1>that to happen at certain resonant frequencies. Just like with
<v Speaker 1>the diagloc we were talking about pulse frequencies, you have
<v Speaker 1>your cross section of fusion goes way up, goes way
<v Speaker 1>up weirdly at certain frequencies. That's what happens. And the
<v Speaker 1>idea is like, imagine you're like vibrating your hands back
<v Speaker 1>for at some point like you're gonna be like over
<v Speaker 1>the top of one another. And this is a quantum
<v Speaker 1>mechanical effect that we see where we can have two
<v Speaker 1>things at the same point, where normally we can't have that.
<v Speaker 1>Every things that are fermions can't generally be at the
<v Speaker 1>same position. But according to general relativit and quantum mechanics,
<v Speaker 1>that becomes possible. Now. So the other thing I want
<v Speaker 1>to point out is computers. You mentioned computers, and this
<v Speaker 1>idea that nukes are you know, almost you could imagine
<v Speaker 1>the patterns as being a computational pattern. Well, it turns
<v Speaker 1>out we were literally building computers for thermonuclear weapons. One
<v Speaker 1>of the big things that Knuckles was working on when
<v Speaker 1>he was doing building his H bombs, his clean H bombs,
<v Speaker 1>was he was doing the computations. They were putting it,
<v Speaker 1>plugging in old IBM cards to do the computers. So
<v Speaker 1>you can actually draw a direct line between computer advancement
<v Speaker 1>and thermonuclear weapons. Then John Kramer, he's an experimental nuclear
<v Speaker 1>physicist out of a University of Washington, he said he
<v Speaker 1>got asked, and it was one of my favorite clips
<v Speaker 1>where he gets asked, what do they use quantum computer for?
<v Speaker 1>Nobody really knows what they're practically using quantum computers for,
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, oh, use it for nuclear weapons calculations.
<v Speaker 1>The computer can do the calculations, these complex integrals just
<v Speaker 1>like that, where it's very extremely difficult, time intensive for
<v Speaker 1>a human being to try to do those things. I'm
<v Speaker 1>just sitting here going, I mean, you you just told
<v Speaker 1>me the secret here, which is that, like we developed
<v Speaker 1>computers for nuclear weapons and then we needed quantum computers
<v Speaker 1>that were even more powerful to be able to do
<v Speaker 1>these complex integrals and these fusion reactions with quantum tunneling
<v Speaker 1>and stuff happening, and we needed to be able to
<v Speaker 1>react in real time too, as our plasma is like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, interacting what have you? Is that That's I
<v Speaker 1>think where AI and quantum computers come from is probably
<v Speaker 1>that direct technology. And so absolutely I could see a
<v Speaker 1>situation where we're afraid for multiple reasons. This is where
<v Speaker 1>I want to start to move to the geopolitics side
<v Speaker 1>of this, which is what are the implications if we're right,
<v Speaker 1>this hypothesis is true that thermonuclear weapons are able to
<v Speaker 1>manipulate space time. Now we're talking about time travel and
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people ask me, what is the impact
<v Speaker 1>on the zero point energy on space time itself? If
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this, will the zero point energy just kind
<v Speaker 1>of come in and fill the gaps? And if so,
<v Speaker 1>is there a limit to that? Are we using up
<v Speaker 1>all of the space time when we're you know, either
<v Speaker 1>pulling energy from it or doing these detonations. Is it
<v Speaker 1>impacting other realities? Are there other realities? And is there
<v Speaker 1>a multiverse? And then the bigger thing and to me
<v Speaker 1>that I think that honestly, seeing the matrix is the
<v Speaker 1>least the thing I'm least afraid of. The thing I'm
<v Speaker 1>more afraid of is someone's gonna mess up the time
<v Speaker 1>stream and we're gonna get caught in some kind of
<v Speaker 1>time loop. Hell, maybe we are. Maybe our reality is
<v Speaker 1>a time loop where somebody did something like that. So
<v Speaker 1>those are just some of my thoughts.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Oh, I agree with all of it.
<v Speaker 2>I think that our timeline has been broken and we're
<v Speaker 2>already in some fucked up time loop or buros serpent
<v Speaker 2>eating its own tail kind of thing that you see
<v Speaker 2>like in the German TV series Dark. And then about
<v Speaker 2>us messing up other realities with nuclear weapons detonations. You know,
<v Speaker 2>I have often accused the Nordics who appear to contact
<v Speaker 2>these in the nineteen fifties of being extremely duplicitous, deceptive individuals. However,
<v Speaker 2>I do have to note that one of the things
<v Speaker 2>that they did say to multiple contact these was you've
<v Speaker 2>got to stop these nuclear detonations because they're messing with
<v Speaker 2>the world that we come from in ways that you
<v Speaker 2>don't understand.
<v Speaker 3>So who knows me.
<v Speaker 1>There's a theory called the twin paradox or twin universe
<v Speaker 1>theory too, which is the idea of like there's always
<v Speaker 1>duality in physics, So you have positive charge, you have
<v Speaker 1>minus charge, and we see that everywhere in physics, So
<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't there be like an alternate flip side of
<v Speaker 1>our reality like in the Stranger Things, you know, what
<v Speaker 1>are they called the underworld or whatever they call it,
<v Speaker 1>So you could see, like, what if this situation is
<v Speaker 1>like we're every what if all the energy we barre
<v Speaker 1>is an energy from another universe and with the energy
<v Speaker 1>they borrows energy from our universe, And so you could
<v Speaker 1>see a situation where like we do something like that,
<v Speaker 1>and yes, maybe we're either opening a hole to that
<v Speaker 1>universe or we're just taking from that universe. Those are
<v Speaker 1>just some thoughts that I personally had when I thought
<v Speaker 1>about this idea of like why the UFOs would show
<v Speaker 1>up if they do come from another dimension. But my
<v Speaker 1>personal opinion, and this is the thing where we can't
<v Speaker 1>know the truth until we like experiment it, of course obviously,
<v Speaker 1>but my opinion is that there isn't another Bizarro dimension,
<v Speaker 1>but there is another dimension that's out there, and the
<v Speaker 1>dimension is how we can basically take a shortcut through
<v Speaker 1>our perceivable reality, like I use that extra dimension to
<v Speaker 1>hop to Mars and now I'm just on Mars instantly,
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to you know, six months or three months later,
<v Speaker 1>however it gets over there. But even in the scenario
<v Speaker 1>like that, you could still say that the Aliens are
<v Speaker 1>extra dimensional if they're coming from you know, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the Andromeda Galaxy, which would be completely impracticle from a
<v Speaker 1>distance perspective for us to get to without some sort
<v Speaker 1>of extra dimensional space hop if you want to think
<v Speaker 1>of it like that, a couple last.
<v Speaker 2>Topics, A bit of a word game becomes a bit
<v Speaker 2>of a word game at that point, because yes, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>if they're using extra dimensions to get here from Mars
<v Speaker 2>or from Andromeda or wherever, then technically speaking it's extra
<v Speaker 2>dimensional because they're using an extra dimension to get here,
<v Speaker 2>just like you know, if there are humans on Mars,
<v Speaker 2>and let's say there were humans on Mars, you know,
<v Speaker 2>one hundred million years ago the way that you know,
<v Speaker 2>John Brandenburg thinks there's evidence for that, and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the the Viking Probe brought back these photos of ruins
<v Speaker 2>that were subsequently used as remote viewing targets that showed
<v Speaker 2>you know multiple remote viewing teams that there were humans
<v Speaker 2>living on Mars one hundred million years ago.
<v Speaker 3>Now, if those humans use.
<v Speaker 2>You know, extra dimensional jump gates to get to places
<v Speaker 2>on Earth, then they're both extraterrestrial because they're coming from
<v Speaker 2>Mars technically even though they're human, and they're extra dimensional
<v Speaker 2>because they're using another dimension to get here. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>it becomes a bit of a word game at that point.
<v Speaker 2>You know, the important thing is that they're human. They're human,
<v Speaker 2>They may be from another planet, therefore extraterrestrial. They may
<v Speaker 2>be using hyperdimensional technology to get here without actually traversing space,
<v Speaker 2>which means they're extra dimensional. But bottom line, if it
<v Speaker 2>walks like a human, it talks like a human, and
<v Speaker 2>quacks like a human, it's a human, okay. And I
<v Speaker 2>think that's one of the most egregious UH deceptions and
<v Speaker 2>misdirections that's going on in the current disclosure discourse is
<v Speaker 2>the degree to which these gatekeepers of disclosure want us
<v Speaker 2>not to think about how many humans appear to be
<v Speaker 2>involved with UFOs coming out of UFOs, taking people, you know,
<v Speaker 2>being seen on UFOs and John Ramirez to go back
<v Speaker 2>to him for a moment. One of the things that
<v Speaker 2>he did tell me. You know, he said he read
<v Speaker 2>my book Closer Encounters, and he said there were other
<v Speaker 2>people who were reading my book Closer Encounters. And he's like, listen,
<v Speaker 2>we don't understand how you got like eighty percent of
<v Speaker 2>this right. I mean eighty percent of what you have
<v Speaker 2>in this book. And he wouldn't tell me what twenty
<v Speaker 2>percent I got wrong, But eighty percent of what you
<v Speaker 2>have in this book lines up with what the CIA
<v Speaker 2>is concluded. And he said, in particular, what the whistle
<v Speaker 2>so called whistleblowers who aren't whistleblowers because they go through
<v Speaker 2>adopts or clearance process, which means they're actually spokesman in
<v Speaker 2>any case. What the two things they're never allowed to
<v Speaker 2>talk about are the connection to the Nazis and Atlantis planteans.
<v Speaker 3>Meaning the human dimension of the UFO phenomenon. Very interesting.
<v Speaker 1>That is really interesting because that's the conclusion I've reached,
<v Speaker 1>is that it's the whole disclosure movement is basically to
<v Speaker 1>give plausible deniability for the people that are actually using
<v Speaker 1>this technology in a legal way. I think other people
<v Speaker 1>that would agree, are, you know, Stephen Greer for sure,
<v Speaker 1>even though he you know, he believes that the ets
<v Speaker 1>and stuff are there, but he also thinks that we're
<v Speaker 1>using illegally. Timothy Aberino who's shared his story of Peru
<v Speaker 1>where the face peelers or people being attacked, you know,
<v Speaker 1>So there's a lot of people out there that I
<v Speaker 1>think they're on the other side of it, that are
<v Speaker 1>looking at and going even if it does come from
<v Speaker 1>some other origin, non human intelligence origin, we at this
<v Speaker 1>point it's pretty apparent that the evidence is that we're
<v Speaker 1>using it in corrupt ways, ways that are at minimum
<v Speaker 1>morally ambiguous, possibly just straight up illegal ways in which
<v Speaker 1>the public would never be able to wrap their brain
<v Speaker 1>around most likely. And that's what I want to get
<v Speaker 1>into in the next part here is that right before
<v Speaker 1>I do that is I want to talk about the
<v Speaker 1>geopolitical implications. And the way I want to segue into
<v Speaker 1>this is that I read the nuclear critical nuclear classification codes.
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anything about it. I figured, hey, if
<v Speaker 1>this is nuclear weapons, maybe there's some clues in how
<v Speaker 1>we classify this stuff. First thing I find out is
<v Speaker 1>we called sigmas, So there's sigma classifications for different let's
<v Speaker 1>say properties of thermonuclear weapons, not always defined based on
<v Speaker 1>property In fact, they read Obama redid them all in
<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, and so now they're super vague. Now it's
<v Speaker 1>just like anything related to the operation and knowledge of thermonuclears.
<v Speaker 1>But before they were actually specific. Sigma number one, very
<v Speaker 1>first sigma is magneto hydrodynamics control of plasma with electromagnetic fields.
<v Speaker 1>That's the very first sigma categorization. So they use these
<v Speaker 1>categorizations like we do a test and it'll say Sigma one,
<v Speaker 1>and that's how they can just black it out, so
<v Speaker 1>that only like the president and people with their super
<v Speaker 1>severe Yeah. So there you have it, and you want
<v Speaker 1>to know the other one. I read through them the
<v Speaker 1>two that I thought were the most interesting. Number one
<v Speaker 1>magnetohydrodynamics that connects plasma directly to thermonuclear weapons, which isn't
<v Speaker 1>that surprising, But if we think about the plasma non
<v Speaker 1>fishion triggers for clean fusion bombs, there you go. The
<v Speaker 1>other one, Sigma eleven, which is just straight up inertial
<v Speaker 1>confinement fusion, and I go, wow, okay, because there you go,
<v Speaker 1>there's your connection to Richter and his clean fusion. And
<v Speaker 1>it turns out who are the pioneers of inertial confinement fusion. Well,
<v Speaker 1>Friibert Winterberg, the guy that I mentioned who was Heisenberg,
<v Speaker 1>was his mentor on his textbook. On the cover of
<v Speaker 1>his textbook says, inertial confinement fusion is the secret to
<v Speaker 1>unlimited green energy for humanity, right on the front of
<v Speaker 1>the cover of the textbook. Just is It're right there?
<v Speaker 1>And who are the other pioneers? Well, John Knuckles turns
<v Speaker 1>out the literal guy that was developing the clean fusion
<v Speaker 1>bomb is the guy that started the National Ignition Facility,
<v Speaker 1>the NIF, which we've finally just achieved in twenty twenty two.
<v Speaker 1>They achieved coefficient and performance or a Q factor they
<v Speaker 1>call it now greater than one, which means more energy out.
<v Speaker 1>It was for a very brief period time, but it
<v Speaker 1>shows the idea that it's possible. So this takes me
<v Speaker 1>to the next part where it starts talk about the
<v Speaker 1>geopolitical implications. And I want to segue into this through
<v Speaker 1>something called the Jasons, because I want to get your
<v Speaker 1>opinion on the Jason Group. This is idea, this Jason group,
<v Speaker 1>and it's real, one hundred percent real. They have the
<v Speaker 1>ideas that they are essentially professors that are that are
<v Speaker 1>knowledgeable about black projects if they're not included in the
<v Speaker 1>black projects. And they meet with the CIA every summer
<v Speaker 1>and they have a list of topics that they're going
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, and the idea is that they determine
<v Speaker 1>where the line is between the public knowledge of the
<v Speaker 1>physics and national security essentially. And I can give two
<v Speaker 1>examples real quick of when there were tribunals done by
<v Speaker 1>the Jayson Group. One was actually Lowell Lowell Wood himself,
<v Speaker 1>John Knuckles's colleague. He was written up by the Jasons
<v Speaker 1>in like the seventies, maybe it was the eighties, but
<v Speaker 1>I think the seventies because apparently he shared with the
<v Speaker 1>Chinese some equations, some probably like you know, geometric equation
<v Speaker 1>type stuff that we use to make their a nuclear weapons.
<v Speaker 1>So they wrote him up and it diminished his reputation significantly.
<v Speaker 1>Turns out he got off on kind of a technicality
<v Speaker 1>where somebody was able to find a public scientific paper
<v Speaker 1>that talked about those equations at least, so the story goes,
<v Speaker 1>But this damaged his reputation and he ended up not
<v Speaker 1>getting certain positions later on. So this is how they
<v Speaker 1>damage your careers. This is how they keep it secret.
<v Speaker 1>They make sure that everybody where the engineers stay in line.
<v Speaker 1>And then one other example, which is a really interesting one.
<v Speaker 1>A lot more recently in the two thousands, a guy
<v Speaker 1>named Robert M. L. Baker, also known as Bob Baker.
<v Speaker 1>He had an extensive about twenty or more papers on
<v Speaker 1>high frequency gravitational waves. Laboratory produced gravitational waves, including communications, telescopes,
<v Speaker 1>literally anything you could a kind of a meagre propulsion
<v Speaker 1>related to them. His friend Gary Stevenson, who's a Boeing,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call him up lack project engineer. I don't
<v Speaker 1>know that for a fact, but let's just say I'm
<v Speaker 1>pretty confident. Gary Stevenson tells this story to Tim Ventura
<v Speaker 1>and he says, Robert M. L. Baker was actually written
<v Speaker 1>up by the Jasons by a guy named Ron Pandolfi
<v Speaker 1>of the CIA. They put it on the agenda one
<v Speaker 1>summer and Gary Stevenson goes with Robert M. L. Baker two.
<v Speaker 1>I think it was San Diego where the tribunal was
<v Speaker 1>being held, basically with the agenda, and they determine whether
<v Speaker 1>or not Robert M. L. Baker shared too much information
<v Speaker 1>with China. China once again about gravitational waves, and he
<v Speaker 1>also got a slap on the wrist where they argued.
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it was argued that the Gershenstein effect or reverse
<v Speaker 1>gershion Stein effect was not powerful enough to produce significant
<v Speaker 1>gravitational waves, therefore what he shared with China wasn't a
<v Speaker 1>matter of national security. Blah blah blah. So those are
<v Speaker 1>just a couple of examples. How in my mind, they've
<v Speaker 1>basically been able to control academia as well as these
<v Speaker 1>nuclear engineers and scientists working on black projects so that
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't leak out because everybody's always I would tell
<v Speaker 1>me out there, if this was real, people would know
<v Speaker 1>about it would be leaking out. But they built this
<v Speaker 1>culture of secrecy around the Manhattan Project that keeps it
<v Speaker 1>secret from even America, even public. So what do you
<v Speaker 1>have any thoughts on the Jason situation and know any
<v Speaker 1>information about that?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean I'm named after the same myth,
<v Speaker 2>you know. They're named after Jason and the Argonauts and
<v Speaker 2>the Quest for the Golden Fleece, which is a rather
<v Speaker 2>romantic iconography, you know for such an.
<v Speaker 3>Organization that they're really like they're in search of the
<v Speaker 3>Golden Fleece.
<v Speaker 2>And they're going to go to this alien land and
<v Speaker 2>fight monsters on the way to bringing back the Golden Fleece. Right,
<v Speaker 2>And of course, remember Jason was involved with the sorceress Medea,
<v Speaker 2>with whom he had children, and then she goes crazy
<v Speaker 2>and kills his children. So that's a hell of a
<v Speaker 2>myth to base the name of an organization on, you know,
<v Speaker 2>the Jasons. Now, there's been some speculation that the term
<v Speaker 2>MJ twelve refers to the twelve inner most high level
<v Speaker 2>members of the Jasons, that it's you know, Jason one
<v Speaker 2>through twelve, member of Jason twelve. I asked John Ramirez
<v Speaker 2>about that, among other things, and he said that that's
<v Speaker 2>not the case. I don't know whether he knows that
<v Speaker 2>for a fact, that you know, this group, which has
<v Speaker 2>also sometimes been called Majestic or Majestic twelve, is a
<v Speaker 2>different group from the Jason's But some people have said
<v Speaker 2>it's the same thing, and the first twelve Jasons are
<v Speaker 2>the MJ twelve, which would then mean that they were,
<v Speaker 2>at least in the time of Eisenhower and probably Kennedy,
<v Speaker 2>the control group for you know, UFO Tech in the
<v Speaker 2>United States. So that's what I would say about them.
<v Speaker 3>But you know you're mentioning China is really also relevant
<v Speaker 3>to the question of the Jasons.
<v Speaker 2>And the way that brings me back to something we
<v Speaker 2>said at the outset of the conversation about Trump's framing
<v Speaker 2>of these weapons systems as our technology that's unrivaled in
<v Speaker 2>the world. If you ever have the chance to speak
<v Speaker 2>with John Ramirez, one thing you might ask him about,
<v Speaker 2>which I'm not going to get into here, is the
<v Speaker 2>level of technology transferred to the People's Republic of China.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say anything else about that, but.
<v Speaker 2>What I will say is that if we have a
<v Speaker 2>group of basically like wizards in the various scientific disciplines
<v Speaker 2>and domains of technological development, who are ultimately responsible for
<v Speaker 2>perpetuating the hegemony of the United States and you know,
<v Speaker 2>guaranteeing our national security, why is it that we've allowed
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese and the Russians in other countries to catch
<v Speaker 2>up with this technology over the last seventy years When
<v Speaker 2>the paper trail suggests that by nineteen fifty one, working
<v Speaker 2>with our dear incorporated Nazi allies, we had this aneutronic
<v Speaker 2>fusion technology already. What explains this geopolitical strategy where we
<v Speaker 2>gave our rivals seventy years to try to catch up
<v Speaker 2>to the point where now we've got Chinese drones over
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey and lordoswhere else that appear to be
<v Speaker 2>demonstrating some level of this electrogravitics technology.
<v Speaker 3>Right, So that bothers me.
<v Speaker 1>What's your take on that question. I'm actually wondering that myself.
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I think here's where we need to look
<v Speaker 2>at nine to eleven for example. And here I think
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Farrell's got it absolutely right that nine Okay, Look,
<v Speaker 2>we brought in and when I say we brought in,
<v Speaker 2>what I mean is that there were various vested interests
<v Speaker 2>in the United States, corporate elites, people controlling major industries
<v Speaker 2>and elements of the government that were already beholding to
<v Speaker 2>those corporate industrialists Rockefellers, Carlisles, Astors, Carnegie, the Bush family
<v Speaker 2>who to begin and Morgan, oh JP Morgan who in
<v Speaker 2>the first place, and the Dulles brothers who were in
<v Speaker 2>business with Morgan and with the Rockefellers, and who all
<v Speaker 2>funded the rise of the Nazis, the rise of the
<v Speaker 2>Nazis and of Mussolini.
<v Speaker 3>That's the we here Okay, So.
<v Speaker 2>The people who brought the Nazis home in Operation paper Clip,
<v Speaker 2>which was kind of a homecoming are the people who
<v Speaker 2>created fascism in Europe to begin with, all right, now,
<v Speaker 2>they also appeared to be the people who fielded the
<v Speaker 2>operation on nine to eleven.
<v Speaker 3>They had enough.
<v Speaker 2>Access to various les levels of security and operational capability
<v Speaker 2>in this country to be able to carry out that
<v Speaker 2>operation and to confuse the normal security apparatus.
<v Speaker 3>Of the United States on that day, to.
<v Speaker 2>Confuse NORAD, to confuse the military, you know, with various
<v Speaker 2>exercises and so forth, and to know, for example, that
<v Speaker 2>the Twin Towers would come down the way that they did.
<v Speaker 2>Because you know what a lot of people don't know
<v Speaker 2>is that the largest realtor in the Twin Towers was
<v Speaker 2>the National Security Agency and that the most important NSA
<v Speaker 2>facility outside of Fort Meade was in the World Trade Center,
<v Speaker 2>where the NSA was monitoring basically all the information from
<v Speaker 2>Wall Street, all signals, intelligence of financial transactions from Wall
<v Speaker 2>Street were being monitored by the NSA from the World
<v Speaker 2>Trade Center. So that was an incredibly sensitive intelligence facility
<v Speaker 2>which at this was wired from the day the building
<v Speaker 2>was built.
<v Speaker 3>Those poor people.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm in a native New Yorker, and
<v Speaker 2>there were stories all the time I was growing up
<v Speaker 2>in New York. People used to call the World Trade
<v Speaker 2>Center those tombs. Those tombs because it was rumored that
<v Speaker 2>the buildings were wired from the time they were built,
<v Speaker 2>so that in case they ever lost control of the
<v Speaker 2>World Trade Center to a terrorist, to a natural disaster,
<v Speaker 2>who knows whatever, and that data was potentially going to
<v Speaker 2>be compromised, they were gonna pull the building.
<v Speaker 3>They were gonna bring it down to control demolition. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>So whoever carried out that operation on eleven knew that too.
<v Speaker 3>They knew that too.
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, one thing that nine to eleven shows you is
<v Speaker 2>that there is a substratum of the American deep state
<v Speaker 2>which has so thoroughly differentiated itself from the civilian government
<v Speaker 2>of the United States and from mainstream American culture, or
<v Speaker 2>the lack thereof whatever our culture has become, that it
<v Speaker 2>attacked the United States on nine to eleven. See and
<v Speaker 2>what's nine to eleven two thousand and one, It marks
<v Speaker 2>one decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union, who was.
<v Speaker 3>The arch rival of the Nazis.
<v Speaker 2>The Soviet Union, so a bunch of Nazis were brought
<v Speaker 2>home to the people who financed.
<v Speaker 3>Them in the first place.
<v Speaker 2>They were used for like fifty years to collapse communism
<v Speaker 2>and successfully defeat the Soviet Union. And then round about
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one these people declared some kind of
<v Speaker 2>a divorce from the US government in the attack of
<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven. And so again, this problematizes President Trump's
<v Speaker 2>statement that we have technology that nobody else has. Well, no,
<v Speaker 2>they have technology that nobody else has, and whether we
<v Speaker 2>can get control of that technology back is very much
<v Speaker 2>an open question. And you have to ask yourself again,
<v Speaker 2>why did they allow the rivals of the United States
<v Speaker 2>to start to develop the same kind of technology? Are
<v Speaker 2>they intending to oversee the destruction of what we consider
<v Speaker 2>to be the United States or the American Republic in
<v Speaker 2>a war with these rivals, and only over the ashes
<v Speaker 2>and rubble of that confrontation emerges some kind of a
<v Speaker 2>new imperium?
<v Speaker 3>Is that the plan here that concerns me gravely?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty much a conclusion that I was thinking
<v Speaker 1>you were making, too, which is that it goes back
<v Speaker 1>to the one World government. I guess I'll call it
<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory. But I happen to think that's probably
<v Speaker 1>where this goes to because I've constantly wondered, if we've
<v Speaker 1>had this figured out since the sixties, potentially unlimited energy,
<v Speaker 1>why are we letting China and Russia catch up? Now?
<v Speaker 1>We're not letting Iran do it. We just bombed Iran,
<v Speaker 1>we just destroy We let the Masad assassinate their nuclear scientists,
<v Speaker 1>we bomb their facilities, so we didn't let them do it.
<v Speaker 1>And did you notice that China and Russia did literally nothing.
<v Speaker 1>We sent bombers over there, blew them up, flew back,
<v Speaker 1>and Russian China said nothing in response, even though the
<v Speaker 1>Iran's ally. It feels to me like there's some handshake
<v Speaker 1>agreements behind the scenes, or there's a couple different angles
<v Speaker 1>to it. One could be that we all know that
<v Speaker 1>with this technology exists, and we're just not gonna let
<v Speaker 1>the primitive countries of the world ever have it, and
<v Speaker 1>it's just like you're either in the club and we're
<v Speaker 1>just kind of pretending to be adversarial when we're not.
<v Speaker 1>The other angle of it is, well, the corporation aspect
<v Speaker 1>of it. The corporations are really the ones that own it.
<v Speaker 1>The defense contractors have gotten kind of out of control.
<v Speaker 1>And this is the part where I think I'm leaning
<v Speaker 1>towards this, And what you're potentially saying is that these people,
<v Speaker 1>these organizations that are you know, at this point transgenerational
<v Speaker 1>corporate companies that have been around since the turn of
<v Speaker 1>the century of the nineteen hundreds, are the ones that
<v Speaker 1>really control the information, control the technology. And yes, there
<v Speaker 1>are clearly ties to the government, like we can pull
<v Speaker 1>the strings. And that's what makes me think that maybe
<v Speaker 1>Trump in his administration, you know, we talked about how
<v Speaker 1>him being elected kind of disrupted the Hillary Clinton plan.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's actually starting to pull some of this, pull
<v Speaker 1>this back a little bit. I mean, I pretty much
<v Speaker 1>I hope that's what's going on. And that's the reason
<v Speaker 1>why he's saying stuff like that, because I don't know
<v Speaker 1>why else he would be dropping little hints like that
<v Speaker 1>here there. But that's one of my thoughts. And then
<v Speaker 1>the question from this is where is the line. But
<v Speaker 1>my other problem is, well, if we have this super
<v Speaker 1>advanced technology, then it's just a crime against humanity to
<v Speaker 1>not be Why do we have so many poor people,
<v Speaker 1>why do we have so many homeless people in America?
<v Speaker 1>If we have unlimited green energy and we've had it
<v Speaker 1>for six years. To me, that's the part where I
<v Speaker 1>look at that. I go, they don't have the American
<v Speaker 1>people's best interest at heart. Whoever has this technology, they
<v Speaker 1>don't have it at that interest at heart. And so
<v Speaker 1>that's why I agree with you in terms of, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the people are hiding this that are nefarious, that you
<v Speaker 1>can argue are evil hiding this technology. But then the
<v Speaker 1>question is, well, what is the right thing to do?
<v Speaker 1>So the flip side of that is I go back
<v Speaker 1>to you actually when you talk to Danny Jones and said, well,
<v Speaker 1>we can't give everybody a time machine. If these are
<v Speaker 1>literally time machines. We've built these miniatureized clean fusion bombs
<v Speaker 1>that can manipulate space time, we've made it that advanced.
<v Speaker 1>Then this is where it gets dark for people out there.
<v Speaker 1>And this is where people start to get really upset
<v Speaker 1>with my political opinions because I've got black pilled when
<v Speaker 1>I was researching this, and I'm going, we can't give
<v Speaker 1>this to people, Like I'm even sitting here wondering like
<v Speaker 1>why are we letting China and Russia get this? And
<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't be letting them get this, we should be
<v Speaker 1>letting anybody else get this. And as much as it
<v Speaker 1>sucks to say, we can't let Iran have this, we
<v Speaker 1>can't let any culture on this earth that would strap
<v Speaker 1>a bomb to themselves and blow themselves up can never
<v Speaker 1>have this technology. Ever, Like, that's probably a hard stance view.
<v Speaker 3>What do you think, Well, in the case of Iran,
<v Speaker 3>what you really mean is the Islamic Republic. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of Iranians are against this retarded theocratic
<v Speaker 3>regime and actually, probably demographically, Iran is the most pro
<v Speaker 3>American country on the face of the earth, much more
<v Speaker 3>pro American than any of the European countries at this point.
<v Speaker 3>The Iranian people love America. So, you know, if Iran
<v Speaker 3>were governed by a regime that was representative of its people,
<v Speaker 3>then that might be another question. But I think the
<v Speaker 3>bigger problem is this that China and Russia are hierarchical,
<v Speaker 3>quasi feudal control systems where their governments could out and say,
<v Speaker 3>guess what, folks, we have this shit and we're using it,
<v Speaker 3>you know, for the glory of the Chinese people or
<v Speaker 3>for you know, the Russian Empire, and we're not going
<v Speaker 3>to share it with you in the civilian sphere, and
<v Speaker 3>people will just accept that because those are tyrannical regimes
<v Speaker 3>and you can get away with that in China and Russia,
<v Speaker 3>but you can't get away with that in America.
<v Speaker 2>So we're at a significant disadvantage there because of the
<v Speaker 2>socio political culture and constitutional principles of this country. So
<v Speaker 2>what would be required to mitigate that would be some
<v Speaker 2>tremendous cultural revolution in this country, which you.
<v Speaker 3>Know, is very far fetched.
<v Speaker 2>Frankly, you know, the idea that you're going to take
<v Speaker 2>a country where on the one hand, you have a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of evangelical, medieval minded backwater people who you know,
<v Speaker 2>are now increasingly framing UFOs exclusively in terms of the
<v Speaker 2>angels and demons from the Bible. And on the other hand,
<v Speaker 2>you have a bunch of you know, SJW. Libtar lefties
<v Speaker 2>who want to basically burn down Western civilization because of
<v Speaker 2>all of its supposed transgressions against colonized people. With this
<v Speaker 2>kind of polarity that essentially sums up the political landscape
<v Speaker 2>of America, I don't understand how these gatekeepers are supposed
<v Speaker 2>to release this.
<v Speaker 3>Technology to the citizen. You see, we were left with it.
<v Speaker 2>And see that's where I fit into this conversation because
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a ufologist. I'm a philosopher, and so what
<v Speaker 2>I've been trying to come up with in you know,
<v Speaker 2>the fifteen books I've written so far, is some kind
<v Speaker 2>of a philosophical framework for not just a political revolution,
<v Speaker 2>but a cultural revolution, a social and psychological reorientation of
<v Speaker 2>our people and our civilization without which it's a pipe
<v Speaker 2>dream to think that this is ever.
<v Speaker 3>Going to be public sector technology.
<v Speaker 1>That's a great point, and I think that's what the
<v Speaker 1>the UFO people really want to have happened. But I
<v Speaker 1>just don't think. I think it's a lot more challenging
<v Speaker 1>than they ever imagined, which is they need we need
<v Speaker 1>a psychological perspective shift, you know. And I think they think, oh, well,
<v Speaker 1>we tell everybody that the aliens are real, all of
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, everyone will just change and be like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we've got to be better now, because there we're not
<v Speaker 1>we know our place in the universe now. And I
<v Speaker 1>don't see that happening at all. And I think that
<v Speaker 1>what the examples you gave are perfect examples of the
<v Speaker 1>divide and why both sides are not ready for it
<v Speaker 1>is that I don't hate how everybody's talking about, oh,
<v Speaker 1>they're angels and their demons. Now you know, we've got
<v Speaker 1>the evangelicals that are all about that, because now I
<v Speaker 1>see that, Okay, we're gonna reveal these this nuclear weapon technology,
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna go, it's demonic. The Satan made these weapons,
<v Speaker 1>and you know they're gonna take it to this extreme angle.
<v Speaker 1>I already see it happening, right, And then the other side,
<v Speaker 1>you've already.
<v Speaker 2>Keeps talking about how, oh where did nuclear weapons come from?
<v Speaker 3>You know where nuclear weapons came from.
<v Speaker 2>It must have been demons whispered nuclear weapons into the
<v Speaker 2>years of our scientists like Jackass go study the history
<v Speaker 2>of nuclear physics in Nazi Germany. That's where nuclear weapons
<v Speaker 2>came from.
<v Speaker 3>The Nazis are demons.
<v Speaker 2>Our entire post war military industrial complex is based on them.
<v Speaker 2>So we incorporated the demons thoroughly. If that's the case,
<v Speaker 2>and we'd be nothing without them.
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that you you nailed it, which is
<v Speaker 1>if Tucker is right, then we are the demons. We
<v Speaker 1>are this Satan is the one making the weapon. Werner
<v Speaker 1>von Braun made. Nasts came over here from the Nazis, like, guys,
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that I and so I heard that too,
<v Speaker 1>and I got really triggered kind of like you just
<v Speaker 1>did right there as well. And I am I'm worried
<v Speaker 1>about that narrative spreading. And then I guess on the
<v Speaker 1>other side, I'm just worried that the the lib tarted,
<v Speaker 1>you know, brainwash people that are out there that are
<v Speaker 1>they don't even know what they're protesting, you know, they
<v Speaker 1>have no I feel like they don't even have any
<v Speaker 1>purpose anymore. They're just out there looking for a reason.
<v Speaker 1>On the positive side, I could see this giving people
<v Speaker 1>purpose is that if we if they were to admit
<v Speaker 1>that we have this technology, people would go, oh wow,
<v Speaker 1>star Trek, we could actually Star Trek is a real
<v Speaker 1>thing that we could be trying to achieve. Now, I
<v Speaker 1>could see it giving these people some level of hope.
<v Speaker 1>But the flip side is these are the kinds of
<v Speaker 1>people that won't believe anything unless the authority tells them.
<v Speaker 1>And the problem is the authority is not the people
<v Speaker 1>they believe. Now, they're only gonna believe it if like
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden's corpse comes out and says, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>aliens are real and we've got this technology, they're never
<v Speaker 1>gonna believe it if Trump says it, you know, so
<v Speaker 1>we've got ourselves stuck in this situation where we This
<v Speaker 1>is what blackpills me the most is I don't see
<v Speaker 1>a path forward where we're gonna get to a point
<v Speaker 1>where we can manage this as a civilization. And this
<v Speaker 1>is the main reason why I wanted to talk to
<v Speaker 1>you from a philosophical perspective about you know, is humanity
<v Speaker 1>even ready for this technology? And when will we be?
<v Speaker 1>I think the gatekeepers might be right. I think that
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff we've talked about about the suppression since
<v Speaker 1>the sixties, I think it might all be with good reason.
<v Speaker 1>I think that people in the sixties, when they figured
<v Speaker 1>this out, and maybe even before that, they met in
<v Speaker 1>a smoky room right the MJ twelve or the Jay
<v Speaker 1>Songs or whoever it was, and they decided this is
<v Speaker 1>too dangerous, We're not ready for this, and they probably
<v Speaker 1>built a plan, like probably Edward Teller was making plans
<v Speaker 1>about what year is this going to be really okay?
<v Speaker 1>When twenty fifty comes along, then we'll release this bit
<v Speaker 1>of information about it. You know, I could totally see
<v Speaker 1>a scenario where that plays out. And then so for me,
<v Speaker 1>the scary part that is like, Okay, well, am I
<v Speaker 1>even doing the right thing in revealing this? And I've
<v Speaker 1>kind of come to the conclusion that we just like
<v Speaker 1>I said, we have to teach people, We have to
<v Speaker 1>demystify it. We can't. We can't pretend like we're gonna
<v Speaker 1>be the ones to reveal disclosure. Instead, it has to
<v Speaker 1>be a learning and awakening process. And I think that
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't happen from us talking about demons, and it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't happen about us talking about little green men from
<v Speaker 1>other plants. I think it happens from us talking about
<v Speaker 1>the science right, talking about the science and the physics
<v Speaker 1>of it and the history of it. I think that's
<v Speaker 1>what we'll bring it down to earth for people, and
<v Speaker 1>that's where people will be able to absorb it. Because
<v Speaker 1>here's where I think will happen if we let's just
<v Speaker 1>say we get this disclosure about all this technology comes
<v Speaker 1>out right away. I mean, just think about the impacts
<v Speaker 1>of this. You're gonna have possibly wars are gonna break
<v Speaker 1>out right over this technology. I think you'd agree on that.
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have economic collapse every power source now all
<v Speaker 1>like what happens to the value of companies that are
<v Speaker 1>using obsolete technology goes to zero overnight? And then uh,
<v Speaker 1>I think the big thing is that people's minds are
<v Speaker 1>gonna break. Like people's minds will actually break. And you've
<v Speaker 1>already seen people's minds breaking over relatively trivial matters in politics.
<v Speaker 1>If you were to tell them like, hey, yeah, we
<v Speaker 1>actually like hit all this technology from you and sorry
<v Speaker 1>about that, like we've kind of been lying without lying
<v Speaker 1>to you directly, people are gonna act actually like you know,
<v Speaker 1>spoil like uh, you know, warning the risk he or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But they're gonna hurt themselves, right, They're gonna like take
<v Speaker 1>their own lives potentially, like a significant number of people
<v Speaker 1>not like you know that, right. So I look at
<v Speaker 1>it and I see all those And this is where
<v Speaker 1>hal Putoff was on Joe Rogan. Hal Putoff went on
<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan and he's talking about I think he told
<v Speaker 1>the story where he went to DC and they all
<v Speaker 1>the spooks met up together and they were like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>they just put some numbers on age and they were like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>it turns out it's negative outcome. So we're just not
<v Speaker 1>gonna do disclosure. To me, that was the greatest how
<v Speaker 1>Pudoff mentioned because you're just like, this is how flippant
<v Speaker 1>they are about a topic, that this is this huge.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, we're just gonna decide this by having a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of old white dudes go in a room and
<v Speaker 1>put some numbers on a page and then if it
<v Speaker 1>comes out negative, well then sorry, no free energy for
<v Speaker 1>the world this year, this decade. Go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts, Yeah, listen to a bunch of
<v Speaker 3>old white dudes. That's true.
<v Speaker 2>But if I recall correctly that happened under Obama, and
<v Speaker 2>I can understand that Obama, being the first black president
<v Speaker 2>of the United States, didn't want to be responsible for
<v Speaker 2>the destruction of the economy of the United States and
<v Speaker 2>absolute social mayhem. Right, So he's the last person who's
<v Speaker 2>going to agree to be the disclosure president, especially after
<v Speaker 2>put Off in company presented him with this study showing
<v Speaker 2>how catastrophic the consequences of disclosure would be.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I agree with.
<v Speaker 2>You, and I really increasingly believe that the only way
<v Speaker 2>forward is if we can look is humanity ready for disclosure?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, not, absolutely, under absolutely under no circumstances in a
<v Speaker 2>world where you know, like what half the world is Muslim,
<v Speaker 2>and like, you know, like Africa's in the state that
<v Speaker 2>it's in.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, Indians believe in the day of us.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they literally worshiped the entities which we can
<v Speaker 2>see in the Mahabarata and Ramayana are associated with UFOs
<v Speaker 2>and antiquity. Right, so if any entities emerge, immediately, they're
<v Speaker 2>gonna fall down flat on their face and raise their
<v Speaker 2>arms and worship them. Right in a world where China,
<v Speaker 2>if it's told by whatever overlords, this is the celestial hierarchy,
<v Speaker 2>we are your ancestors. We have the mandate of Heaven.
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna get their entire high minded population to fall
<v Speaker 2>in line with that, and they're gonna then perpetuate tyranny
<v Speaker 2>over the rest of the planet with whatever hegemonic means
<v Speaker 2>they have. Okay, in such a world, humanity is not
<v Speaker 2>ready for disclosure, no question about it.
<v Speaker 3>Now.
<v Speaker 2>Is the culture of Star Trek ready for disclosure? Is
<v Speaker 2>the country of Star Wars ready for disclosure? Maybe maybe
<v Speaker 2>some subset of Americans who truly represent the American pioneering
<v Speaker 2>frontier spirit are ready to step into a wider world
<v Speaker 2>and do whatever it takes to retain their independence. But
<v Speaker 2>in order to protect that culture and to secure its
<v Speaker 2>dominance even in our own territory, let alone globally, what's
<v Speaker 2>going to have to take place as a coupdeta.
<v Speaker 3>It's going to have to be a cupdata. There is
<v Speaker 3>no way forward but for.
<v Speaker 2>Somehow us to inspire a coup within the American deep
<v Speaker 2>state and identify the individuals who, in their heart of
<v Speaker 2>hearts still believe in the American spirit. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>the manifest destiny of America in the sense.
<v Speaker 3>In which Manly P.
<v Speaker 2>Hall understood it when he talked about the secret destiny
<v Speaker 2>of America. You know where on the obverse of our
<v Speaker 2>Great Seal it says Novus ordo seclorum a new order
<v Speaker 2>of the ages. Is that America still alive? Are there
<v Speaker 2>people in these deep black projects, in this emerging breakaway
<v Speaker 2>civilization who still believe in that vision of the future
<v Speaker 2>and are willing to fight for it? That's ultimately the
<v Speaker 2>question is whether there's a vision can emerge that's both
<v Speaker 2>inspiring enough and constructive enough to compel some of these
<v Speaker 2>people to carry out a kudata. That's the only way,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry to tell you it's going to be
<v Speaker 2>extremely ugly. It's going to be ugly domestically, and it's
<v Speaker 2>going to be absolutely horrific globally, horrific globally. People talk
<v Speaker 2>about the American Empire, especially the lefties, these lefties communist socialism,
<v Speaker 2>the American Empire is the American empire that, folks, you
<v Speaker 2>have no fucking clue what an American empire would look
<v Speaker 2>like if one actually ever emerged with aneutronic fusion technology,
<v Speaker 2>you have no fucking clue. And whether or not an
<v Speaker 2>American empire actually emerges in a constructive and positive sense
<v Speaker 2>will depend on whether you know a philosophically sophisticated vision
<v Speaker 2>that distills the essence of Star Trek and Star Wars
<v Speaker 2>and their visions of the future can actually win the
<v Speaker 2>hearts and minds of some of the maybe younger people
<v Speaker 2>within the extent power structure.
<v Speaker 1>Really well said, and I think this is why I've
<v Speaker 1>now moved my focus towards AID neutronic fusion, is that
<v Speaker 1>I think that aidentronic fusion is basically tapping directly into
<v Speaker 1>zero point energy, tapping into an unlimited energy source that
<v Speaker 1>is out there and will change everything. Now I already
<v Speaker 1>said that there's all these negative reasons why disclosure can
<v Speaker 1>never happen. You even agreed, And I think one of
<v Speaker 1>the other ones that I didn't even mention was the
<v Speaker 1>legal implications. This gets mentioned by the UFO people too,
<v Speaker 1>is that, Oh, well, it turns out Lockheed Martin, for example,
<v Speaker 1>built a compact fusion reactor. Charles Chase built it for
<v Speaker 1>him in twenty fourteen. It went dark in twenty eighteen,
<v Speaker 1>but his resume says that it was successful and it
<v Speaker 1>is breathing on its own. So he built a compact
<v Speaker 1>fusion reactor for them. So what happens to Lockheed Martin
<v Speaker 1>when it turns out that the government's been playing favorites
<v Speaker 1>for sixty years and now that's that's the only reason
<v Speaker 1>why they're a you know, whatever billion dollar company that
<v Speaker 1>they are. They're gonna get sued. They're gonna get sued.
<v Speaker 1>So you've built these perverse incentive structures where now the
<v Speaker 1>corporations that have been developing this technology for the military
<v Speaker 1>industrial complex, they don't want it to come out because
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go bankrupt if they do. Their shareholders they're
<v Speaker 1>beholding to their shareholders so that's a big concern for me.
<v Speaker 1>But I think disclosure is gonna happen anyway, and I
<v Speaker 1>think that they know it, and that's what they're afraid of.
<v Speaker 1>I think that when they put those dates out there,
<v Speaker 1>they say twenty twenty seven, twenty thirty, whatever, they don't
<v Speaker 1>know the exact date. But what they know is that
<v Speaker 1>we're not ready. But the information, the technology advancing so
<v Speaker 1>fast that they can't slow it down enough that yes,
<v Speaker 1>it's been sixty years, that may seem like a long time,
<v Speaker 1>but in the cosmic scheme of the universe, that's just
<v Speaker 1>the blink of an eye, and that yes, they've been
<v Speaker 1>hiding for sixty years. But I think that they hope
<v Speaker 1>that they could hide it for hundreds of years as
<v Speaker 1>opposed to hiding it for just sixty And I think
<v Speaker 1>they know, especially now with AI, that the AI is soon.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna start spitting out the answers to these gravitations.
<v Speaker 1>Get the AI can pay runs do what you and
<v Speaker 1>I are doing at this point already. And so it's
<v Speaker 1>gonna start spitting these answers out and people are gonna
<v Speaker 1>be going But wait, no, nukes shouldn't be able to
<v Speaker 1>manipulate space time. They didn't tell me they could do that.
<v Speaker 1>And then AI's been like, yeah, keam, they figured it out.
<v Speaker 1>It was you know, Richter and Knuckles and what have you.
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's the thing. And then with respect
<v Speaker 1>to well, how does it change, I also want to
<v Speaker 1>address this last at this point, and then I'll I
<v Speaker 1>think we can do some final thoughts here as well.
<v Speaker 1>This is kind of my final thoughts is that I
<v Speaker 1>agree that it's never gonna come out from the current
<v Speaker 1>power structure as it's been developed, because they built the
<v Speaker 1>system in a way for it to never be able
<v Speaker 1>to come out, and that's how they were able to
<v Speaker 1>hide it for sixty years. But that's the way. There's
<v Speaker 1>no pathway for it to come out legally, and I
<v Speaker 1>think that's why you're seeing the hal putoffs that Eric Davis's.
<v Speaker 1>Eric Davis just had an interview yesterday where he said
<v Speaker 1>he would need either an executive order or a pardon
<v Speaker 1>before he would go talk to Congress, because otherwise he
<v Speaker 1>would lose his pension, go to prison, et cetera. So
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's part of the reason, is that
<v Speaker 1>the system was set up in a way for it
<v Speaker 1>to never be able to come out, which means that
<v Speaker 1>the only way we could get it out is basically
<v Speaker 1>a coup d'ta or some sort of overthrowing of the system.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I'm afraid of because I think that
<v Speaker 1>would be very ugly.
<v Speaker 2>Like you mentioned, go ahead, yes, it'll be very ugly,
<v Speaker 2>but there's absolutely no other way forward. And you know
<v Speaker 2>what you started to say, you know, at the beginning
<v Speaker 2>of that in terms of lockheed and litigation is just
<v Speaker 2>another example of it. I mean, look, there is no
<v Speaker 2>way that our current legal structure and even our current
<v Speaker 2>you know, corporate organization and infrastructure, like corporate organization in
<v Speaker 2>the sense of like electricity providers, you know, the petroleum industry,
<v Speaker 2>the auto industry, Like this fucks everything. You're going to
<v Speaker 2>need to like fundamentally re engineer our society, and that
<v Speaker 2>cannot happen except around a new idea or a new
<v Speaker 2>interpretation of the American idea. Otherwise, if it happens in
<v Speaker 2>a vacuum, it's going to only lead to one place,
<v Speaker 2>and one place fast.
<v Speaker 3>And that's totalitarianism, okay.
<v Speaker 2>In other words, just brute totalitarianism with no greater vision
<v Speaker 2>or idea behind it. So again, I returned to my
<v Speaker 2>closing thought that what we are in need of in
<v Speaker 2>this country, more than anything else, is a new philosophical
<v Speaker 2>vision of the American destiny. What it was that the
<v Speaker 2>founders of this country, who were brilliant wise men, were
<v Speaker 2>reaching torque as best as they could in an era
<v Speaker 2>before Darwin. Okay, we need to post Darwinian, post Heisenbergian,
<v Speaker 2>you know, evolutionary quantum understanding of the relationship between me
<v Speaker 2>and the cosmos that the founders of this country intuited rightly,
<v Speaker 2>That's what we need and until nonetheless certain elements of
<v Speaker 2>our deep state can be inspired by that, there's no
<v Speaker 2>way forward.
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree more. Jason, I think this has been my
<v Speaker 1>favorite conversation that I've ever had on my podcast. We
<v Speaker 1>seem to have bangers every single time. So I just
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you so much for this conversation. I
<v Speaker 1>just want to give you a quick minute to plug
<v Speaker 1>you know, your content where people can find you and
<v Speaker 1>get in touch with you, and just thank you once again,
<v Speaker 1>so so much for this conversation.
<v Speaker 3>So go ahead, Jason.
<v Speaker 2>Reza Georgianni on Substack and Jason Georgianni on X and
<v Speaker 2>my latest book, thanosis. There are links to that on Exit.
<v Speaker 2>Actually just came out today officially. It's a book on death, rebirth,
<v Speaker 2>on the afterlife. Very metaphysical, Ashton, My thanks also to
<v Speaker 2>you for your intrepid, very courageous and tenacious research. I
<v Speaker 2>know that it doesn't win a lot of friends sometimes,
<v Speaker 2>but I applaud you for it.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, sir. Let's do this again soon.
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.
<v Speaker 3>Let's do it