What Rhymes With Reason (NEW MOVIE) - Interview with Kyle Roberts, Gattlin Griffith, and Adam Chamberlain

<v Speaker 1>Hey, Shirley fans. Last week I had the opportunity to
<v Speaker 1>get together with the guys behind a new movie called
<v Speaker 1>What Rhymes With Reason. It's a coming of age movie
<v Speaker 1>where a tragedy brings high school friends together again and
<v Speaker 1>they embark on a quest to find a hidden landmark.
<v Speaker 1>An exciting adventure movie, but one that also addresses the
<v Speaker 1>serious issue of mental health. Please join me in welcoming
<v Speaker 1>our guest today of the new movie What Rhymes would Reason. Hello, everybody,
<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 1>We are here today on a very special episode. Guys.
<v Speaker 1>We normally bring you movies of our past that I
<v Speaker 1>am about to bring you a movie of the future.
<v Speaker 1>We are here today. I am here today. Jason couldn't
<v Speaker 1>join us. He's having a fun time with his wife
<v Speaker 1>over the weekend, which he readily deserves for his birthday month,
<v Speaker 1>and so it is just me for the Shirley guys.
<v Speaker 1>But I am joined today by Kyle Roberts, Adam Chamberlain,
<v Speaker 1>and Gatlin Griffith, all of the new movie What Rhymes
<v Speaker 1>With Reason. We're going to be talking about that movie today.
<v Speaker 1>The day this episode drops will be the world premiere
<v Speaker 1>of the movie. So guys go to IMDb right now,
<v Speaker 1>look up the movie push ten stars on IMDb, so
<v Speaker 1>that it jumps up in the rankings and everybody is
<v Speaker 1>aware of this movie. And then once it comes out,
<v Speaker 1>it's probably going to be like September, Is that right
<v Speaker 1>that we're looking at.
<v Speaker 2>Looking yes, just it will depend on the distributor.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, okay, so we're looking at full national distribution
<v Speaker 1>on sometime in September October. Yes, fantastic, love it. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So we typically start with a history. I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>start with our actor. This time, we've got Gatlin Griffith.
<v Speaker 1>Who I mean, You've been acting since you were a kid,
<v Speaker 1>is that right? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I started acting probably around six or seven. I
<v Speaker 3>started as a stunt kid. My dad has a stunt coordinator,
<v Speaker 3>and so the stunt community is super tight knit, and
<v Speaker 3>it's the type of thing where if one coordinator knows
<v Speaker 3>another coordinator has a kid, he'll just reach out and
<v Speaker 3>me like, hey, can your kid get hit in the
<v Speaker 3>head with football and fall into a Those were some
<v Speaker 3>of my first introductions.
<v Speaker 1>As said, that's fantastic. So Gallon's dad was a big
<v Speaker 1>stunt coordinator in Hollywood worked on the mask of Zoro.
<v Speaker 1>Was Antonio Benderis's stunt double on that. Tell me what
<v Speaker 1>that was like as a kid, Gallen.
<v Speaker 3>It's it was kind of normal for me. It's my
<v Speaker 3>dad has a background and our family has a background
<v Speaker 3>in horses. I'm me and my brothers are fourth generation
<v Speaker 3>trick riders, which is like gymnastics on horses. So he
<v Speaker 3>used that to get in the business, and then we've
<v Speaker 3>kind of kept that up, that legacy, and it was
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of normal. You know, actors were always
<v Speaker 3>coming out to train or my dad was always in
<v Speaker 3>Morocco for months on end working, so it was kind
<v Speaker 3>of he was here and then he was gone into
<v Speaker 3>the film business. It's like you go on location for
<v Speaker 3>and then we get to visit him, like we got
<v Speaker 3>me and my family got to go up to Montreal
<v Speaker 3>or other parts of Canon when he was filming. So
<v Speaker 3>it was a really interesting child to getting to travel
<v Speaker 3>in that way.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. Now you you've been in movies that you
<v Speaker 1>didn't get hit in the head end, Is that right?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I always joke that Gatlin is like the male version
<v Speaker 2>of Dakota Fanning or something. But doing all these really
<v Speaker 2>dramatic roles and doing very good at them at a
<v Speaker 2>young age, I liked Labor Day and Changeling.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you were in Labor Day Kate Winslet, Right,
<v Speaker 1>is then that with you? Jay Playson will be super
<v Speaker 1>disappointed because Titanic is like his favorite movie of all time.
<v Speaker 1>So will he will be banging his head that he
<v Speaker 1>missed out on asking you all kinds of Kate Winslet stories.
<v Speaker 1>But so, how did you transition from being the stunt
<v Speaker 1>kid to being the dramatic kid actor.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I went in for a stunt audition and they
<v Speaker 3>were like, you're too small. I was a very small child.
<v Speaker 3>I was like in the ninety percentile for a head
<v Speaker 3>size and percentile for a height, so I just had
<v Speaker 3>a massive head. But they were like, you know, head three,
<v Speaker 3>good on screens and near acute, little kid, So here's
<v Speaker 3>a an agent's number. And so I was probably six
<v Speaker 3>or seven when that happened. So I just started going
<v Speaker 3>on on auditions. And when I say I started going
<v Speaker 3>on auditions, my mom started driving me the two and
<v Speaker 3>a half hours it takes to get to auditions in
<v Speaker 3>la and I did that for a while before I
<v Speaker 3>booked anything. And then once it kind of took off,
<v Speaker 3>it just kind of kept rolling and I got super
<v Speaker 3>fortunate to get to work a lot as a kid
<v Speaker 3>and travel.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. So obviously we've mentioned Kate Winslett. I saw
<v Speaker 1>that you've been in the movie with in a movie
<v Speaker 1>in the last couple of years with I'm Scarret of
<v Speaker 1>Top Gun Fame and Steel Magnolias, who were Who's your
<v Speaker 1>one of your actors that you've worked with that has
<v Speaker 1>been an big influence on you.
<v Speaker 3>I'll probably bring it back to Labor Day because I
<v Speaker 3>got to spend that was like two months in Massachusetts
<v Speaker 3>in the summer, so my whole family got to come
<v Speaker 3>out with me, and it was a really intimate setting
<v Speaker 3>with Kate Winslet and Josh Brolin, and that was That's
<v Speaker 3>just the film that really was. They were teaching me
<v Speaker 3>stuff all online and they kind of were my pseudo
<v Speaker 3>mom and dad on that set, and I think I
<v Speaker 3>grew the most in that and that's that set has
<v Speaker 3>some of my best memories of the childhood.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, fantastic. So you have continued to act in movies.
<v Speaker 1>How old are you now twenty four twenty four? Have
<v Speaker 1>you did you go to school in la as well?
<v Speaker 3>I did. Yeah. My parents were super adamant about me
<v Speaker 3>finishing out college. My dad dropped out when he was
<v Speaker 3>just after eighth grade because he had to start working,
<v Speaker 3>and then my mom moved out when she was eighteen
<v Speaker 3>and had three jobs and tried some college but just
<v Speaker 3>couldn't make it work with all the stuff she had
<v Speaker 3>going on. So I went to UCLA and I just
<v Speaker 3>wrapped that up about a year ago.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fantastic. What's your What was your major?
<v Speaker 3>I majored in English and minored in film.
<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Are you doing any writing right now?
<v Speaker 3>I am. Yeah, I've been working on my own stuff here.
<v Speaker 3>I really like writing, and I really got to see
<v Speaker 3>up close what rhymes of reason. The script developments I
<v Speaker 3>met up with Sean. Sean was I think I met
<v Speaker 3>Sean in person before I met Kyle in person, and
<v Speaker 3>really just loved their process of having an idea and persevering.
<v Speaker 3>And the script came through so many different changes, like
<v Speaker 3>it really had a full lifespan of different lifetimes until
<v Speaker 3>it became what we actually shot. So I just love
<v Speaker 3>that process a lot.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Well that introduces Kyle here, Kyle you. You're an
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma guy like me.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, you.
<v Speaker 1>Went to school out here. You got into thejournalism side
<v Speaker 1>of things, and have managed to spin that into not
<v Speaker 1>only stop animation, which kind of made famous, if you will,
<v Speaker 1>but you have this is your second full length motion picture,
<v Speaker 1>is that right?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>So tell tell me about that process, tell me where
<v Speaker 1>you went to school, how it developed into those stages.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I'll try to keep this as stories I can.
<v Speaker 2>I was born on a cold night in.
<v Speaker 3>March, settle In. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I went to Oklahoma Christian I loved it. I loved
<v Speaker 2>my time there and all the friends I you know,
<v Speaker 2>created during that time and fellowship through all that. And
<v Speaker 2>then right out of that, I was a videographer editor
<v Speaker 2>for the Oklahoma which is our states you know, newspaper
<v Speaker 2>at Newsokay dot com for several years. Just during that time,
<v Speaker 2>I started playing with stop most animation in an inta
<v Speaker 2>turtle stop motion, actually recreating the nineteen eighties cartoon Intro
<v Speaker 2>Brain by frame with action figures, Okay, because we wanted
<v Speaker 2>to and kind of learning a new craft, new art
<v Speaker 2>as a creative. I mean, we're just going to create,
<v Speaker 2>you know. So that's just kind of what we did,
<v Speaker 2>and they got millions of views and featured by La
<v Speaker 2>Times and U had SA Today and Wired magazine and
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff. And then we did that for a
<v Speaker 2>while doing kind of our own stop motion fan made.
<v Speaker 2>You know, which all of your fans I think are
<v Speaker 2>going to love if they go back and watch some
<v Speaker 2>of the stop motion we did X Men one and
<v Speaker 2>Ina Turtles and several They all kind of took off
<v Speaker 2>and blew up. And the number one question I get
<v Speaker 2>asked from press is when is when you're gonna do
<v Speaker 2>a feature? So I was like, well, I guess we've
<v Speaker 2>got to figure that out. So we made Post Human project.
<v Speaker 2>It took four years, but Matt Price wrote it. He
<v Speaker 2>was the editor at the Oklahoma at the time, the
<v Speaker 2>features editor, and so we Yeah, a lot of blood,
<v Speaker 2>sweat and tears put into making a team superhero film
<v Speaker 2>on the budget.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the I got to watch at least the
<v Speaker 1>first half of that today, since we kind of put
<v Speaker 1>this together short notice. Yeah, And immediately I see the
<v Speaker 1>teacher talking to her students mutually what.
<v Speaker 2>Would shared destruction?
<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Talking about mutually assured destruction, And we just
<v Speaker 1>got finished doing our war Games episode, So I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I know where he's going with. So, yes, it's a
<v Speaker 1>it is a coming of age style movie where your
<v Speaker 1>high school kids acquire superpowers at some point in the movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so what a great I mean, what a great concept.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's fantastic. And then so after that movie
<v Speaker 1>you start working on this project.
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, right after that film. Honestly, I was not
<v Speaker 2>ready to do another film. We released that about ten
<v Speaker 2>years ago at this point, and it was just so hard,
<v Speaker 2>completely in a feature on a tiny budget. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>I'm never doing another feature again. So we started doing
<v Speaker 2>commercial work for Disney and Hasbro and Mattel and Lego.
<v Speaker 2>Two summers ago, we produced this reality show for NERF
<v Speaker 2>called NERF House Showdown, which we filmed in Grand Lake
<v Speaker 2>near Tulsa.
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one that you had the Jimmy Fallon.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, yep, you know in the middle of
<v Speaker 2>us Oh and Jimmy Fallon talked about on the Sight
<v Speaker 2>Show and everyone was freaking out and texted me it
<v Speaker 2>was like, whoa, okay cool? That pastime so super fun.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that show is kind of like a big brother,
<v Speaker 2>like dude perfect or something right, and just it's just
<v Speaker 2>so fun. But we just kind of doing all this
<v Speaker 2>commercial work for all these brands, and then we're kind
<v Speaker 2>of taking what we've learned from all that how to
<v Speaker 2>speak to how to speak to families, but then poured
<v Speaker 2>it into what Rhymes of Reason. And it's kind of
<v Speaker 2>been on my heart for several years, about eight years
<v Speaker 2>when we started this script is gatlets that it's been
<v Speaker 2>in a long process because it's a fine line. You know,
<v Speaker 2>when you're talking, you're communicating with youth and families of
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're trying to earn the right to be
<v Speaker 2>heard from high school kids or even younger and it's
<v Speaker 2>a fine line of trying to make something one that
<v Speaker 2>they can connect with. But two is family friendly, which
<v Speaker 2>is really important to us and the day and age
<v Speaker 2>we live in today, suicide is the second leading cause
<v Speaker 2>of death from ten to sixteen year olds ten year olds,
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's new, I mean the last couple of years.
<v Speaker 2>And I have a ten year old daughter, and so
<v Speaker 2>it was so important for us, even the whole this
<v Speaker 2>whole process is she was two when we kind of
<v Speaker 2>started this. But knowing that this you know, this time
<v Speaker 2>is coming that we need this more than ever in
<v Speaker 2>our deciding.
<v Speaker 1>So tell me about that that development phase of the script.
<v Speaker 1>You come up with this idea, where's the what's your
<v Speaker 1>inspiration for the idea?
<v Speaker 2>The original inspiration actually was kind of loosely based on
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Job so as a godly sufferer, and
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think a lot it's this age old
<v Speaker 2>question of like why do bad things happen to good people?
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people we'd like to
<v Speaker 2>put things in boxes and either compare ourselves to other
<v Speaker 2>people or judge other people or all these things, and
<v Speaker 2>it's like, no, that's not the way God works, you know.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that was just probably the at least the
<v Speaker 2>initial We've recklessly abandoned that to it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that his company is called Reckless the Band, and
<v Speaker 1>I just for the people to get that, by the way,
<v Speaker 1>go check out the website. Give me the website.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, r adask Pictures dot com.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's Reckless Abandonment Pictures. So you are inspired
<v Speaker 1>by the suffering of Job but this is modern kids.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>And so once that you have, once you have that
<v Speaker 1>story idea, who do you start talking to producer wise
<v Speaker 1>to say, hey, here's my here's my concept. Yeah, can
<v Speaker 1>you help me out.
<v Speaker 2>So really for a long time and I really cherished
<v Speaker 2>this time too, gat listening really kind of crafting this story,
<v Speaker 2>crafting this outline, then crafting the script. We went through
<v Speaker 2>probably thirty different versions of the script and really, you know,
<v Speaker 2>again the whole the whole mission, and like from day one,
<v Speaker 2>it's how do we earn the right to be heard from?
<v Speaker 2>And so that's what that's you guys have probably heard
<v Speaker 2>me say that a lot, and it's like, if we're
<v Speaker 2>not doing that, then we're not doing it right. And
<v Speaker 2>so throughout everything, that's how I answered question one to
<v Speaker 2>five million to produce this film. And so Sean Theeson
<v Speaker 2>is our writer and he's actually my nephew and he
<v Speaker 2>lives in la and has written for a lot of
<v Speaker 2>our like Lego Vultron commercial spots and national spots we've done,
<v Speaker 2>but also a series a series we did for Trolls
<v Speaker 2>for dream Works, and then it kind of naturally, you know,
<v Speaker 2>lended itself to writing for this future.
<v Speaker 1>It's great. And so you've once you have discussed this
<v Speaker 1>idea with producers, do you have like you have guys
<v Speaker 1>that were along the whole ride with you for this
<v Speaker 1>process that you shout out.
<v Speaker 2>To really Yeah. Yeah, we definitely had four producers on
<v Speaker 2>the project and they're amazing, But for the biggest bulk
<v Speaker 2>of it, it was Shawn on me for a long time.
<v Speaker 2>And again I really like cherished that time because Nutell,
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other people have hands and everything else,
<v Speaker 2>it was us just making this and I think as
<v Speaker 2>creatives that's a really special time, even no Matt, no
<v Speaker 2>matter how big a project is, so hey say, even
<v Speaker 2>like James Gunn with Guardings of the Galaxy, I think
<v Speaker 2>he would say cherishing that time or just him or
<v Speaker 2>maybe a couple other people where he's working on the
<v Speaker 2>script is really precious. But yeah, Jacob's novel is one
<v Speaker 2>of our local producers and he's produced like eighty movies
<v Speaker 2>or something now at this point. Local Kim Dawson, who
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big Turtles fan as you know, I was
<v Speaker 2>the proucer of the original three Turtles films in the nineties.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic, all kinds of Disney stuff, MTV stuff. A
<v Speaker 2>lot of my childhood was produced by Kim Dawson and
<v Speaker 2>then Nathan Gardaki, who's kind of legendary in this area
<v Speaker 2>as a UPM uniproduction manager and producer fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>So when did you When did you start filming? Like
<v Speaker 1>you've talked about the beautiful part, Yeah, when does the
<v Speaker 1>crazy part start?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>So we started in film, especially feature film, like it's
<v Speaker 2>really all about the prep like getting everything prepped and
<v Speaker 2>ready to roll. We started that June really prepping for
<v Speaker 2>this movie. And when then we shot in September, September
<v Speaker 2>and October of last year and so and it was
<v Speaker 2>a pretty quick shoot as roughly a month of filming.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, Gallan, do you want to talk
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about filming? What was it like day
<v Speaker 2>to day as our.
<v Speaker 4>Leading doing an adventure travel movie on on you know,
<v Speaker 4>the scale that we were doing it on was was difficult,
<v Speaker 4>like really difficult, Like we were constantly traveling new spot
<v Speaker 4>and we had new locations and we had to get
<v Speaker 4>people from this part of the state.
<v Speaker 3>To the next part of the state for just a
<v Speaker 3>couple of days. And you know, if we hadn't, if
<v Speaker 3>we if we all didn't have a belief that this
<v Speaker 3>thing was bigger than us, I think it would have
<v Speaker 3>been hard to continue on. But everybody was so committed
<v Speaker 3>and we had talked about this project. Like the anticipation
<v Speaker 3>behind getting to do it was so strong that I
<v Speaker 3>think that's what really was kind of the the wind
<v Speaker 3>underneath our wings to help us go through it. We
<v Speaker 3>did all of this and like, but was it like.
<v Speaker 2>Three weeks something like that? It was just under a
<v Speaker 2>month because we only had some films do five day
<v Speaker 2>shooting schedules. Them do six and we did five just
<v Speaker 2>to try to save our crew the best we can
<v Speaker 2>is as a gat got and said, when we traveled
<v Speaker 2>all over Oklahoma to shoot this thing, so.
<v Speaker 1>You got you've got a cast of characters. Let's talk
<v Speaker 1>about those real quick. Tell me about the casting process
<v Speaker 1>and how you got Gatlin. I mean we we talked
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about that, but tell me how you
<v Speaker 1>got to him? And then who follows along after that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Ricky Massler is our casting director and she's amazing,
<v Speaker 2>and she she basically recommended Gatlin. She's like as she
<v Speaker 2>read the script, she loved it. She's a Christian believer,
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, I know who you need to
<v Speaker 2>talk to. This kid is amazing, and you need to
<v Speaker 2>talk to Gallan Griffith. And so we're like, okay, let's
<v Speaker 2>have a I think I called to you that day
<v Speaker 2>of have like a phone call and we just started
<v Speaker 2>talking and we're like, okay, let me do a little
<v Speaker 2>bit of research. But I was like, this is it.
<v Speaker 2>I mean I saw even like in labor day and stuff,
<v Speaker 2>was like he could he gatland Canvey so conveys so
<v Speaker 2>much emotion just in his eyes, like it's incredible, And
<v Speaker 2>so I just knew he was He's gonna.
<v Speaker 1>He was our Jess awesome. And so you've got Gallin,
<v Speaker 1>He's in. Yeah, he's he's even kind of reviewing scripts
<v Speaker 1>as you're going through that drafting process. Yea. Then you
<v Speaker 1>have what did you have? A cast of about six?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Six ensemble. There's our teenagers in the film. Ricardo
<v Speaker 2>Hertato is the comedic relief in the film, and he's
<v Speaker 2>been a ton Nickelodeon stuff. He got a start of
<v Speaker 2>school rock. But then this Malibu Rescue hit show on
<v Speaker 2>Netflix is it's like a tween Baywatch kind of thing
<v Speaker 2>and glitch text and all kinds of all kinds of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And then just sell Torres is in it and she's
<v Speaker 2>kind of singer songwriter love interest in the film, and
<v Speaker 2>she's she's a pretty big YouTube star and so it
<v Speaker 2>was a good gift for us. She auditioned for it. Gatlin,
<v Speaker 2>Ricardo and Moron did not uition. They got offers, but
<v Speaker 2>just Sell and Wan and Katie auditioned. Those are other three.
<v Speaker 1>So this was the.
<v Speaker 3>First offer and I thought it'd be fun because I was, Oh,
<v Speaker 3>I hate the audition process. But at the same time,
<v Speaker 3>you're like, oh my gosh, they're banking on me.
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of pressure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're like, I hope I am what they are anticipating.
<v Speaker 3>But Kyle was like from the jump, supportive and collaborative
<v Speaker 3>and made it to where you felt like you're a
<v Speaker 3>part of the thing before you get there.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. So you mentioned traveling. Where did you guys go?
<v Speaker 1>Where are some of your location? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Geez, we went to Turner Falls. What's the tall mountain
<v Speaker 2>mountain Scott area. It's Snake Junction or something. It's like
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of nowhere.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna say I've been to those first two,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know about Snake Junction.
<v Speaker 2>It's a I mean see it in the film. It's
<v Speaker 2>this abandoned church building. It's amazing. We looked all over
<v Speaker 2>Oklahom for this abandoned church scene. It's a big part
<v Speaker 2>of the film. So this can we talk about the
<v Speaker 2>story real quick? I guess people, what the heck is
<v Speaker 2>this thing? It's called what Rhyme's the reason? It's a
<v Speaker 2>coming of age adventure adventure drama. If you can't have
<v Speaker 2>already kind of figured out the main kind of need
<v Speaker 2>for this film this mental health, you know, to to
<v Speaker 2>earn the right to be heard, to connect, encourage more
<v Speaker 2>conversations around mental health with high school kids and their families.
<v Speaker 2>The story is that there is a tragedy that happened
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of this film, and then Jesse and
<v Speaker 2>his friends decide to go kind of have to make
<v Speaker 2>a decision and go on this trip into the wilderness
<v Speaker 2>to find this this like legendary landmark in the Oklahoma
<v Speaker 2>wilderness actually, and so they all they all do. It
<v Speaker 2>ends up being this crazy kind of adventure movie almost
<v Speaker 2>goodies standby me ish, you know, kind of vibes and
<v Speaker 2>really kind of discover more about themselves, about the darkness
<v Speaker 2>that's within them and how to be there for each other.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic? Is the the treasure a secret? Is that spoiler?
<v Speaker 3>Yes?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want to ask I want to ask. Okay, well, fantastic,
<v Speaker 1>fantastic storyline. So you've you're in the midst of production,
<v Speaker 1>any roadblocks along the way that are worth mentioning?
<v Speaker 2>Nothing can't go wrong? Yeah, I mean it's all This
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is really hard. I mean I think every
<v Speaker 2>every crew member would probably say different things, like our
<v Speaker 2>unit production manager and our first ad would say the traveling,
<v Speaker 2>like a Gatlin said, a lot of productions, you try
<v Speaker 2>to camp somewhere, you know, for three or four days,
<v Speaker 2>or a whole week or or longer. This almost every
<v Speaker 2>day we were changing locations. Maybe we were somewhere a
<v Speaker 2>couple of days, you think, Gatlin, I mean that was
<v Speaker 2>maybe the most. If we were at like Spencer area
<v Speaker 2>for two or three days and then we were already
<v Speaker 2>going somewhere else.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, exactly, like we started at Spencer and then
<v Speaker 3>ended at Spencer. But all that the second act was chaotic.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so so then that was that was the tricky
<v Speaker 2>part as an adventure film, just going all over the
<v Speaker 2>place and still trying to make our.
<v Speaker 1>Days okay, And I mean again, how many days it was.
<v Speaker 2>I think it was eighteen day shoot. Does that sound right?
<v Speaker 3>That sounds right?
<v Speaker 2>Eighteen physical shooting days.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you've got your eighteen days in the bag,
<v Speaker 1>you're wrapping up. Let me ask this real quick, because
<v Speaker 1>I should have touched on it earlier. Who do you
<v Speaker 1>have doing cinematographery for you?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Our cinematographer is Andrew Smith, and he's amazing. So
<v Speaker 2>he's been a cinematographer director of photography for eleven years.
<v Speaker 2>So all of these commercial projects we're talking about, all
<v Speaker 2>these series projects, he's our guy, and he's amazing.
<v Speaker 1>From what I've seen of the movie, it's very beautiful.
<v Speaker 1>Like I can't I can't attest to what the story
<v Speaker 1>is any anymore, but I can tell you that what
<v Speaker 1>I saw very beautifully shot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's really good and a lot of that together.
<v Speaker 2>People who don't know is, of course you're your cinematographer,
<v Speaker 2>your director photography, your gaffer, who's the main person in
<v Speaker 2>charge of lighting in the film. And then our color
<v Speaker 2>is so our colors is as Alex Smith, and he
<v Speaker 2>was the main colorists for oh my gosh, mister Explosions,
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Transformers, Michael Big Wow, some guy Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>for like for like ten years, oh wow. Okay, And
<v Speaker 2>so he was our colors for this film. Oh well
<v Speaker 2>that is a it's a big part too, right, that
<v Speaker 2>is fantastic. So set designer set designer is Becca Bell,
<v Speaker 2>and so she was actually our production designer, all charge
<v Speaker 2>of all set and our everything very good.
<v Speaker 1>But a lot of it takes place outside.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I would say, what do you guys think eighty percent?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Sure maybe if maybe a fresh seventy five.
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say some Sometimes that makes it easier
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes it makes it harder because you've got random
<v Speaker 1>stuff outside that you've got to get rid of somehow.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah you do in WE eighty six, these trees
<v Speaker 2>over here and it's like, what will Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>It's funny.
<v Speaker 3>Kyle obviously loves his colors so much, as you can
<v Speaker 3>tell based on his wardrobe today.
<v Speaker 5>Doubt I was gonna say, it's funny how much nature
<v Speaker 5>you get in shots that you don't want in there
<v Speaker 5>to replace with other nature later on. I feel like,
<v Speaker 5>at least on like the audio side, because it can
<v Speaker 5>be so unpredictable, a little change, but you want it
<v Speaker 5>to feel consistent.
<v Speaker 3>That kind of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So outdoor stuff is always tricky.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, is there somethings or oh you are I mean,
<v Speaker 6>it could be anything, could be an airplane, a train,
<v Speaker 6>you know, like wind, Yeah, all kinds of stuff, animals,
<v Speaker 6>you know, bugs, birds.
<v Speaker 1>So Adam, you're talking now about the post sound design. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I took a bit of a left train there, right. No,
<v Speaker 1>that's okay, that's okay, because we were saying, it's a
<v Speaker 1>very good segue into it, and it's why you're here today.
<v Speaker 1>So we've we've got you know, all stages of the process.
<v Speaker 1>So Adam, real quick, tele about your history, how you
<v Speaker 1>got to meet Kyle and then how you got involved
<v Speaker 1>with the post toound on us.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, I got into audio through music.
<v Speaker 5>I was first musician, came up as a drummer, got
<v Speaker 5>involved in the studio side of things, and that really
<v Speaker 5>piqued my interest a lot. So I realized after a
<v Speaker 5>while I had a lot more skill and ability and
<v Speaker 5>audio than I did as a drummer.
<v Speaker 2>So your email was Adam plays drums or something?
<v Speaker 3>No, it was is that? What it was?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 3>Even more ridiculous than that.
<v Speaker 5>Adam really likes drums, not good at it, he likes that.
<v Speaker 5>And that's like hotmail from like two thousand and two.
<v Speaker 5>I still use that email, but I think it was
<v Speaker 5>my wife, because you knew my wife Brianna O days right, Christian,
<v Speaker 5>and so.
<v Speaker 2>I guess it was probably just through her that you
<v Speaker 2>and I can so yeah, I mean I think you
<v Speaker 2>guys were maybe dating, and then she was like we
<v Speaker 2>were working on a short or something and needed to
<v Speaker 2>clean up some stuff. Yeah, well my boyfriend would be
<v Speaker 2>great at that.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Okay, when I met her, she was working on
<v Speaker 5>a documentary for her albums and so and I did
<v Speaker 5>the audio on that, So maybe that was the connection.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So obviously this is shot outside. As you mentioned,
<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of stuff that can be going outside,
<v Speaker 1>going on outside. But I think Gatlin said before we
<v Speaker 1>started rolling, there wasn't a whole lot of adr on this.
<v Speaker 1>It was that's right, that's impressive. How'd you do it?
<v Speaker 5>The excellent source certainly goes an incredibly long way.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so Jam it was our mixer on set,
<v Speaker 2>so we have would have a boom op. Griff typically
<v Speaker 2>was our boom op, and Jamm was mixing up to
<v Speaker 2>fix microphones at a time a live on set.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's nice to have something where the starting point
<v Speaker 5>is already fantastic, and that was the case. A lot
<v Speaker 5>of trial and error sometimes, but it's very much a
<v Speaker 5>hand you know, by hand process to yeah, kind of
<v Speaker 5>knock out that stuff and then bringing stuff to make
<v Speaker 5>it feel less clinical a little bit more natural and
<v Speaker 5>smooth and all that. But asotope rix is a huge,
<v Speaker 5>huge part of being able to get like really clean,
<v Speaker 5>great audio.
<v Speaker 1>Oh very good. So once you when you started the project,
<v Speaker 1>did you already have a distributor set up?
<v Speaker 2>We did not, so, yeah, Honestly there's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>this process and fundraising and financing the film because people
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what they like. They didn't know what it
<v Speaker 2>was like. Is this a faith based film, is this
<v Speaker 2>an adventure film? Is mental health films? Like too many
<v Speaker 2>things together? They didn't understand it, and so we we
<v Speaker 2>actually discuss said no from a past you know, from
<v Speaker 2>about every major studio and so we're like, we just
<v Speaker 2>seen to.
<v Speaker 1>Make this thing, Okay, so we did so, looking at
<v Speaker 1>September or October, Yeah, what's the what's the release going
<v Speaker 1>to look like?
<v Speaker 2>So right now at this moment, we're still talking to
<v Speaker 2>several different distributors. Even when you release this, I mean
<v Speaker 2>my might know at this moment, it's still it's not
<v Speaker 2>sold yet, but we're trying to discern through you guys
<v Speaker 2>don't even know about this, but we're trying to discern
<v Speaker 2>through several options.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, well that's exciting. Yeah, I'm excited to find
<v Speaker 1>out where it goes. Okay, So you've meant you've mentioned
<v Speaker 1>mental health a few times, and we talked before we
<v Speaker 1>started recording about this program called nine to eight eight.
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk about that a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So nine eight eight started last sum nine is
<v Speaker 2>a big sponsor for this film, and they are America's
<v Speaker 2>mental health lifeline. So replace a one eight hundred number
<v Speaker 2>that no one's ever going to remember, you know, in
<v Speaker 2>an actual time of crisis, and it's so cool. You
<v Speaker 2>can pick it up from any phone. Just dial nine
<v Speaker 2>eight eight like you would dial nine to one one
<v Speaker 2>and if someone is on the other line, like ready
<v Speaker 2>to listen to you to what's going on and provide help,
<v Speaker 2>ride hope.
<v Speaker 1>And so this is basically like the one eight hundred
<v Speaker 1>suicide prevention hotline, right, yeah, except it's nice and easy.
<v Speaker 1>Three numbers and you're there. Yep, beautiful Gallan, you had
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that you had some you had some connection to
<v Speaker 1>this cause. Tell us about that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think, you know, one of the larger themes
<v Speaker 3>in this film is mental health awareness, and me and
<v Speaker 3>some of the other castmates, I'll speak on my behalf
<v Speaker 3>on this, but we're young people living in a really
<v Speaker 3>weird time right now, and I think we're all being
<v Speaker 3>affected and maybe acknowledging mental health in ways that haven't
<v Speaker 3>been in past generations. I've dealt with some pretty severe
<v Speaker 3>bouts of depression and anxiety myself in the past, and
<v Speaker 3>I still do today, and that's kind of one of
<v Speaker 3>the guiding lights. Was one of the guiding lights for
<v Speaker 3>me into this project was seeing people dealing with these
<v Speaker 3>issues in a new way and it being very upfront
<v Speaker 3>and one of the things that has talked about a
<v Speaker 3>lot in the film. I haven't seen it a whole
<v Speaker 3>lot or not an organic story wise way. So to
<v Speaker 3>get to be to get to bring my life experience
<v Speaker 3>into a project like this and share it in a
<v Speaker 3>way that's very vulnerable and is important to the story
<v Speaker 3>we're trying to tell was quite the gift. And I
<v Speaker 3>hope that what this project does is exposes some of
<v Speaker 3>the issues that we may be facing as a country,
<v Speaker 3>as a world, as a people that are young and
<v Speaker 3>I hope that it engages people in conversations about it,
<v Speaker 3>you know, stuff that wouldn't otherwise be at the dinner table.
<v Speaker 3>I hope that after seeing this, families might be able
<v Speaker 3>to say come to their kids, or the kids might
<v Speaker 3>be able to come to the parents and just be like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>that character or that movie that we watched. I have
<v Speaker 3>felt like that a lot, and I didn't know how
<v Speaker 3>to talk about it. But seeing it and us experiencing
<v Speaker 3>that together, I hope that it gives more people hope
<v Speaker 3>to have those conversations.
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic man, thank you, and to kind of piggyback
<v Speaker 1>on that.
<v Speaker 2>I hope parents are watching and listening too. Right, So
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times, I think I think today, even
<v Speaker 2>even as much as much of these conversation we're trying
<v Speaker 2>to have, parents might say quickly, you know, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>dealt with stuff in the past. It's way different today.
<v Speaker 2>You know, youth today have not known a world outside
<v Speaker 2>of social media. It's been their whole life, and so
<v Speaker 2>it's just every single thing this This is maybe a
<v Speaker 2>weird example, but if we didn't get invited to a
<v Speaker 2>party when we were in high school, it's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>those jerks whatever you might find out the next day,
<v Speaker 2>you might find out later most likely the kid's going
<v Speaker 2>to be in their room alone seeing this picture perfect
<v Speaker 2>picture or a live feed of some of their best
<v Speaker 2>friends at you know, a party or at an event
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and so just that one little note of
<v Speaker 2>rejection hits way differently today throughout their whole high school experience.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's important to note for people that are
<v Speaker 1>my age who have kids, it's an entirely different perspective
<v Speaker 1>on mental health as well. Like I grew up and
<v Speaker 1>any kind of mental health problems was stigmatic. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it was just like you just didn't want to admit
<v Speaker 1>to that kind of stuff. And so what I'm really
<v Speaker 1>glad that things like you were doing are opening those
<v Speaker 1>doors because my own kids feel much more free in saying, hey,
<v Speaker 1>I'm dealing these issues, can you help me out? And
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what you're saying. You're after to get
<v Speaker 1>parents talking with kids about absolutely.
<v Speaker 2>And it's hard, right, So, like you break a bone
<v Speaker 2>in your knee and it's bone sticking out, like you're
<v Speaker 2>going to the er immediately, is you could all see that,
<v Speaker 2>you can experience it, but when it's internal, it's much
<v Speaker 2>more complicated to understand. So what Gatlan's saying too, like
<v Speaker 2>if it teenager is coming to their parents and saying
<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling these ways for parents out there, just listen,
<v Speaker 2>listen to them.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So there's always something unexpected or crazy that happens
<v Speaker 1>on a set that when you're with your friends later
<v Speaker 1>on talking about you're like, oh, let me tell you
<v Speaker 1>about this. You guys got one of those stories or what?
<v Speaker 3>For me, it was all of the casts lived together,
<v Speaker 3>and I had never had that experience for the entirety
<v Speaker 3>of a production before, all six of you. So all
<v Speaker 3>all four boys and then the girls weren't far away.
<v Speaker 3>So at night we all hang out at the house
<v Speaker 3>and kind of decompressed together, and we grew so tight
<v Speaker 3>so quick because you're spending you know, fourteen hour days
<v Speaker 3>with these people and then you go back home and
<v Speaker 3>you spend the next what eight hours together. So I
<v Speaker 3>had never had a production before where I was so
<v Speaker 3>close with the cast, like it was we were brothers
<v Speaker 3>by the like we had a telepathy of sorts. I
<v Speaker 3>think by the end of the shoot that we just
<v Speaker 3>I had never been that well connected with my fellow before.
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure That's so cool for me to hear, because
<v Speaker 2>so we had done this the summer before on Nerve
<v Speaker 2>because that was literally the show as they lived in
<v Speaker 2>the house together and Laurent was on that, and so
<v Speaker 2>really honestly, we were looking at budget and looking at
<v Speaker 2>some other things. So we got them like almost a
<v Speaker 2>mansion in Oklahoma practically, which was really fun, but it
<v Speaker 2>was just one place, right, So we're like, either this
<v Speaker 2>is gonna work or we're must all these personalities together
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be crazy. But I'm so glad
<v Speaker 2>because I could tell when they were on set they
<v Speaker 2>all genuinely loved one another. And so that was really
<v Speaker 2>cool for me to hear you say that, because I
<v Speaker 2>didn't know, you know, all the inside of that.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, especially a project where you have to be
<v Speaker 3>so intimate and vulnerable and you have no time. You
<v Speaker 3>have eighteen days, like I remember, some of the most
<v Speaker 3>dramatic scenes are were up at the beginning. And to
<v Speaker 3>be able to connect with people in that way so
<v Speaker 3>quickly and that strongly, I think just gave us an
<v Speaker 3>advantage of being able to hit the ground rolling far
<v Speaker 3>as you know, this is a very this is a
<v Speaker 3>very deep dramatic movie, and I think being able to
<v Speaker 3>be with those people in that way that early really
<v Speaker 3>helped us get what we needed to get quick.
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>Any other stories, I can't think of any at the moment.
<v Speaker 1>I mean there is nobody. Nobody fell down.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we have. I have a couple of stories,
<v Speaker 2>but legally I can't share them.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, well that that is my key to
<v Speaker 1>end the show, turn off the mics and find out
<v Speaker 1>what these stories are. So, guys, thank you so much
<v Speaker 1>for joining us for this special episode of the Sure
<v Speaker 1>that you Can't Be Serious Pod. Be sure and hit
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<v Speaker 1>and joining me today. I really appreciate it absolutely. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you guys. Go check out on IMDb what i'ms with Reason.
<v Speaker 1>Go over to the Reckless Abandonment website and check out
<v Speaker 1>the other cool stuff that Kyle has done. You can
<v Speaker 1>Gatlin you told me you've got a project coming up
<v Speaker 1>with Zack Snyder that's going to be on Netflix.
<v Speaker 6>Is that right.
<v Speaker 3>I just I just helped supply the horses. But you
<v Speaker 3>can go check out a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about the j movie you just did.
<v Speaker 3>I will just say that I'm in the new Joker movie.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not I think after me if I said anything more.
<v Speaker 3>But I got to do like an acting hybrid role.
<v Speaker 3>If you blink, you'll miss it. But it was a
<v Speaker 3>lot of fun.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the this is the do the part
<v Speaker 1>two the Lady Gaga? Is that right?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, that's correct, the one they filmed in LA
<v Speaker 3>and the New York.
<v Speaker 1>Oh fantastic. Love it all right, guys, thanks so much.
<v Speaker 1>We will see you guys next week.