#326 - Tenille Townes on ‘Villain In Me” Being The Most Personal She’s Ever Written + Going Out on Her First Headlining Tour + How Sad Music Makes You Happy

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Speaker 1: M here with Tinnil Towns, and when you walked in again, I feel like I see you all the time, but I had to kind of check myself and go in human form. I don't think i've seen you in a long time. In a long time. I know, it feels like I see you two, which is awesome, but which is awesome, but still it's probably probably not as awesome as we think it is. It's much better in person. I was, and I want to go back and catch up on some stuff, but I was listening to your song because we're playing I'm playing it on a lot of stuff, you know, as soon as you put out something, I'm constantly featuring on countdowns or or national shows. And I was listening to Villain, Well, you're always gonna have me as a supporter forever. It doesn't matter what's going on when it's going on, like me and you together forever. But um Villain and me. And then I was reading what you were saying about it, and you say, because you've written some extremely personal songs. You were saying that this is the most personal song that you've ever written. How so and why right now? Okay? So, favorite way to write songs is to tell stories. Like That's why I love songwriting. It's like I get to be the storyteller, and I like the bird's eye view. I like, you know, talking about the girl and somebody's daughter or the jersey on the wall. It's like to be able to process something from that third person perspectives my favorite way to do it. But this song is not third person. This is like about me and the thoughts in my head and the things I tell myself and um, I think this past you know, a couple of years of being mostly home by myself. It's like much more of a reflective state of having the space and time and to go, okay, I'll here, I am with my thoughts. I'm I think I'm feeling forced to like process them and write about it is something that's healing to me. So that's why I did is a scary thing. But this feels like the first time I've really kind of done that with the song. With this song, it feels like you're talking to yourself about how you don't feel you're good enough. Yes, this is that is very true, and what capacity do you feel you're not And maybe you've you know, had a conversation or you've had some growth that you realize you're wrong. I often do that with myself, where I feel a certain way and it's kind of like, well, my voices are telling me I stuck at this, But if I go ten thousand feet up look down on it, I can actually see some data it would prove otherwise, it would prove otherwise. So where do you feel like when you wrote this song that you were lacking? You know, I think it was coming off the high of putting out my first record and feeling like, Wow, this is so exciting and now what and going a little bit of the pressure behind that, and also just like catching up to processing things that I think I felt, honestly in a lot of ways since childhood and in high school. It's like things that I mean, I can sing somewhere and get off stage and just be like, oh my gosh, that was terrible, Like I just feel rotten about it, Or you know, I'll be in the middle of an interview and like spinning in my head about things that I should be saying differently, or you know, come back and look in the mirror and be like, why am I wearing this this? I don't feel good in this or whatever the thing is. It's like, I think we all have voices. That's just what it means to be human. But acknowledging them is something that's been helpful to me and going like, oh, I think this is good to talk about, and it makes it like less of a shame thing or a scary thing, and it's like, right, like this is normal. We all do this, And like you're saying, it's like to be able to kind of zoom out and go oh okay, So proof says otherwise people I love and trust to say otherwise, maybe I'm just like really hard on myself. I've just always been kind of hard on myself for me and I was mean just so hard and still am to a point, but I've realized now I'm not as productive if I'm really hard on myself. Yeah, you're so right. You can't get to the heart of the thing because you're distracted by the polls of like not feeling good enough. You can't you can't be in that dark space. And like, I think you're most authentic you know self. But I also think that what you learn and carry with you in those darkest corners is like part of the fuel too. So I think getting in some of those dark corners to have have inspired me to to grow into a better person in performer, and they definitely affect each other at the same time. So it's taken it's taken me hating myself to realize, Okay, I'm hating myself because I don't think I'm good enough. But when I hate myself, actually get worse at it. So and analytically thinking, even if I hate myself, I'm not gonna hate myself because it makes me worse then I already was. So I've kind of logically talked myself out of being a logical That's amazing because I do that and I beat myself up all the time for a second, and you get to do it less and less as you get older and see how much it actually doesn't affect to appreciate that. I mean, I would I would crush myself after a bad radio show or a bad you know, stand up set, or or you know, right, it's spent a few nights writing, you know, one of my books. I'll be like, just over three nights and it sucked, and I'd read it back and I would just be so ashamed of it. But then I realized that shame what said and actually gonna be less productive because of the shame, and I would go, Okay, listen, I just gonna move on right, because it's affecting everything. There's a whole umbrella of just darkness over the top of me that I cannot lift off. And so when I heard your song, like I related to it in that way because I was like, I've often felt that way. But the end is you do it enough times, you go one way or the other, and most most times it goes to you figure it out and you grow from it, which seems like that's what you're doing. Well, thank you. I'm definitely working at it. That's encouraging to hear, and it's true. There's like there's a point where it's kind of just accepting that it's there and like saying, oh, big part of it, this is a cloud because I don't like to see the clouds. I'm like, I would much rather everything just be real, shiny and smiley, and that's that's my favorite way to be. But it's like, oh, if I if I acknowledge this, then maybe I can be logical about it, because I don't think you really can until you do So the two big things for me where therapy because I finally got somebody that didn't have an investment into my life, meaning whatever they told me, they didn't have to deal with me at three o'clock on a Thursday, and then five o'clock on the front. They just told me what they felt right or wrong. Somebody who's completely removed and can just like a whole new window into your life. Yeah, They're only bias was that I'm paying them right, you know, And I'm okay with that bias. I'd rather have that bias than the bias of like my wife at times where I know she she's telling me things based on she just to live with me, right, and she loves you, and she does and she wants to like caught on me. Sometimes it makes me feel good, and I don't always that's not always the best. So one is therapy and two is perspective. Uh, because when stuff sucks, you'd see things different, not only for you but for other people. Yes, that's true. Like it's not just the cloud on one part of you, like it's on it's just exists kind of, it follows you around. It's just on all of it. And then when some but he else is going through it, Like, for example, you're younger than I am, You're going through this situation. I'm like, oh, yeah, I've been here. Let me hear. Here's the thing. I also love that a lot of self hate grew out of that. Yeah, anyway, that's what I thought. That's a long conversation about when I heard that song. Thank you for the conversation. I really I like talking about it. It It scares me to talk about this song, like it's like, oh, we're putting this out. This means I'm gonna have conversations about this. Um. But it's also a conversation that everybody wants to have and everybody wants to hear because everybody's having those same feelings they are. It's good. I think it feels really really good hearing people like on Instagram or something in the last few days that have messaged about this songs like Okay, right, this is I'm really happy to get to talk about this. And I really loved that even that this piece of the conversation, Mike, do you have the song right now? Um? Here is some of Villain and Me from Danil Towns. Chad be hero to me to learn me there's a villain in me. Also, sonically this is so my vibe. So this is so I mean, this is everything I love about music. You have the sound I love, you have a message I love, and it's just complete vulnerability here. So you don't need to know that stand in your biggest fan. How's it been out with brothers Osborne? So fun? Yes, it's just it's felt just every show is like, Wow, I'm so thankful to be back doing this. I just missed it so much. And I couldn't have like dreamed of a cooler tour to get to come back around to live music with with these guys, it's been awesome. I love watching their show every and also good dudes. Yeah, they're just really wonderful humans that you can just talk about anything with. And um, I love just seeing the way like they work on something in sound check every day, like they're just constantly crafting different pieces and parts of the show, like it's always growing, and I think that's really amazing. I love watching that. I often tell the story about you and I doing shows together and you're my favorite and I would watch, but I would also get really bummed out because you would make the crowd cry and I was and I had to come on and do jokes and it was it was it was like the best worst support ever because you were the best, but to do comedy it was the worst. Like I have to dig them out of a hole just to get back to even I know, I realized you. I think you're right. It kind of like set set it back. But of course that's just the best balance because then this is the whole. It's not supposed to be balanced. It wasn't a day of balance, but it was. You were just the best, and people would leave and go. I think Danille was so good and I was like I did a show too that I would say, you know what, I did a show too, and I loved those shows. That was so fun, and like your audience is just the best. They're very generous. They're so generous and they like listen and it's really awesome. You are the only someone that asked me. I was doing an interview with someone and they were like, hey, who comes in to play your show? And you've seen everybody, like who affects you? I think that was a question something like that, and you came up because well, to be affected now because I've been around and seeing everybody and everything. I said, there's only ever been one person that's made me cry while playing in the studio when I feel like I'm in my force field, and it was you. Wow, And I've heard I've heard you play, you know realistically thirty times. That's true. But you're the only person to ever come into my radio studio where I am bulletproof and make me cry while performing. I have to imagine that when you do that because you're doing your headlining shows, which is really cool. It's just like when I got married, my DJ who was DJ the wedding, put it okay tissue in my pocket. He goes, you may need this when you say your vowels. I was like, I feel been up with everybody that's going into your show, Like I want to stand out front of the theater. I don't want to have a bunch. I'm like, you're gonna have some real highs too, But I'm telling you she's gonna take you on a journey. I want to put the tanil tanil uh tissues. That's what you need, that's what you need to sell before the show. We've junked about that as some kind of cleanex and tissues, but you also lift people up so much at the same time. Well, thank you, thank god. I really don't know what you're doing. This is what I should mean. You make people feel, which is the best compliment that I could possibly give you, is that you make people feel with your music. Are we good with that one? Yeah? Okay, thank you. Um, that's so cool. You were named New Female Artists of the Year at the a c M. That's when I saw that. I was like, it's like watching your little sister like graduate high school. You're like, it's not college, and I know she graduate college. She just go to high school. I thought that was that was awesome, right, It was really cool when you get that. I mean, yeah, that was wild. That was in the heart of heart of Zoom days and Keith Surban's face popped up on the screen and that was just insane. So cool to see some of the other stuff. And obviously I don't live in Canada. Our show is on in a lot of Canadian markets at nine in the morning a little bit too, so we kind of have a presence ish there. Yes, I have lots of family. He's like Bobby Bones. That's that's not true. That's true, but again, as I watch you develop as not just an artist, but someone who is starting to get the critical acclaim. You're now winning the big awards in Canada, like you do you want to? First of all, the CC mays will talking about did you want to Juno? Yes? I did. That's just crazy to say that sentence. But yeah, it's just weird so cool. Um yeah, to feel like what's a June? I know, Juno is the big one? What what? What is it? Like the Graham? Right? Yeah, it's like all genres of music, so um yeah too have been recognized, especially at home. It's like, I don't know. That was definitely a fear of just kind of picking up and coming to Nashville's like what's what Canada are going to kind of think of this? And what do they think of Do they think of you moving down as like somebody who's like leaving or someone who's trying to expand. I think I hope the later, you know. I think that's the love that I've felt since going back, ever since I moved here. Every time I go back, I just feel like people are so excited and so welcoming and awesome, and honestly I'm really excited for the headlining tour up there this year. This is my first time getting to do that and um, first time ever trying to sell tickets to my own show. And yes, yes exactly that. Let me mention this what we're talking about. It Tail's kicking off her very first headlining tour. Um she announced dates for her Villain Me tour, which will launch in January. It's also your first solo trek in the United States, so doing Canada and the States? Are you looking at because I would do this. You go and look and see how many tickets are sold all the time. I do it every day, So glad I'm not alone. I would obsess about it. I definitely will like check in with my manager to be like, hey, do we get ticket accounts? But I'm also pretty good about just being like okay, Like I wouldn say I'm checking every day, but I'm I'm definitely thinking about it. The worst is theaters when you can look in the dots. I like, how these blue dots not selling in this section? But that's where you want to get Yes, I know, I feel like I'm getting to like it's like a game looking at the chart and being like I get to do this, like I get to look at a seating chart for a show that we put on sale for me. You show, yeah, some v show. It's really weird and really cool. Let me encourage you guys to go and and watch to Neil because again, I'll list some of the American dates here, Cambridge, Massachusetts in January nine, in New York on the twentie, Philadelphia on the twenty one, Nashville on the twenty seventh, Charlotte on Chicago, Indie, Detroit, and Phoenix all the way through February. So you know, we are pretty much in all these cities. So I hope you guys go and you know you watched to Neil and you go to a show because it really really is great. It's just again it'll make you feel, you know. Speaking of feeling, I always wonder when you do a work tape and you record it on your phone, or you do a demo and you know, at times it's called demo itis where you really don't want to change the demo because it was so perfect. I would just think that all your songs are perfect as like really really bar acoustic songs. When you have to add now you have to add a band and instruments when you make Is that a tough transition for you to go? I don't know if I want to spice this up that much, because it's perfect how we wrote it. To be honest, it's kind of the absolute opposite of that. Like every time I turn in a song, I my immediate responses, Oh, I'm just gonna, like I turn in like five or six songs at a time, because I never want like one song to get more attention. Like I'm just like, I'm gonna send this group in and then maybe and I never feel like any of them are any good, and then it just takes me a long time. That's what happened with Villain and me. I just sent that song in. I was like, that feels really, you know, dangerously personal, and I'm just gonna put it in the mix. And then it came back and was like, oh, wow, everyone's really pumped about this song. And then I'd listened to it and it just takes me a while to kind of grow into how I feel about a song. Um, And that one definitely grew on me the more I lived with it, and I had just sang like a quick guitar vocal at my house. I've learned logic this past year, so that's fun. Um. I. So I put it down and sent it to my co writer and producer and and then it came time to produce a song and I was like, okay, so let's, you know, figure out a day to get some tracking done, get some real drums in, and um, I'll go in and sing it. And everything about this song was a wrestle. Like I recorded the vocals two different times, and both times it was like so it just emotionally tormenting, and the result was just not right. I was like, this isn't raw, this isn't this isn't the right thing. So we trashed it both times and went back to the vocal that I did in my room. This is just like that's what you hear. Yeah, and the guitar, it just they went together. It was like, I can't, this is just how it's supposed to exist. So we built everything around that. But um, it was like six months of working on this song of like going now yes, no, and then going back to the original work tape. Six months of getting it right more than trashing it. Sometimes you have to as not the right path that's right. And then, and I'm so glad because I don't think I would have had the like feeling of arrival or piece when it was finished, because I'd have been like, oh, we probably should have tried to get the vocal differently or done this, so I wouldn't change anything about it. But yeah, it was quite a ride to get to it. Do you ever have a song and maybe this was one of those instances where it's so personal You're like, I like the song, but I don't know if really I want to share this. Oh, definitely had those feelings with this one, for sure. I don't know if I've actually had that before. Because although there's like a piece of every song that feels personal, like it's kind of like it's traveling through me somehow. So there's pieces of me and any song that I'm a part of writing, but completely centered in it this way that this one was different. You do vision boards? Yeah? Still? And what what for? What? Life? Career all of it? Yeah? Mostly at this point, it's mostly career, you know, I think that's where my my heart is is anchored right now. But I've got things on there for building all kinds of stuff in my life I'm looking at I've taken a lot of cool things off I took. I remember I literally had your the Bobby Bones show on there for a long time on my vision board. But that happened like as soon as I heard the show was really cool to get to take it off and put it in my pile of things that happened. But yeah, I've got burned it. Yeah, you know, I've got a tour of us on there. Now. We're in a bandwagon, which is really exciting. Yes, So it's kind of like between the passenger van, the spurner van and the bus. So we're in like it kind of looks like a y it's a hybrid, looks like a box truck and you need a CDL drive that or can any anybody can drive it? And it's like, yeah, it's just like a box truck with bunks in it. And who drives. We have a driver. His name is Sean. Oh that's good, you have a driver. You're not you're not driving anymore? No, thank goodness, No, I'm not driving. I would not want to drive. This thing is too big. But if you needed to, if I had to, I guess I could like drive forward in a in a straight, safe motion. Yeah. When I was again looking through your videos, I was just making sure I didn't miss anything, and I was scrolling through and I don't think I saw your guitar that had the writing on it? Are you? Are you still playing that? So I have started a new guitar now because we're onto the new chapter of music, so I still play that one. But I I actually found this Martin guitar that I loved, and I wanted it to be like Guitar two point oh, to be darker so that I could paint in light colors to be the inverse of the first one. So I had the wood stained a dark color, and then I went and got some paint pins at Joanne's and started drawing like a sunrise to kind of represent the new horizon and bringing things to the light of day. And um, now I'm just going to kind of tattoo. Does that go? Because we're going to keep journeying to the next record in pieces, So I'm just gonna tattoo the guitar as we go. You know what's going to be great about the other guitar. I'm assuming you're keeping it a yeah. Whenever the country means to call it to show it off. That's going to be a really great piece. Thanks. Yeah, um you if I'm right, because I looked and I sometimes I'm wrong. Did you write all these songs? Okay? Is that? How important is that to you? Really important? I mean I love getting to listen to songs too, that so many of my hero like there's so many ridiculous songwriters in Nashville and songs that are made. I wouldn't ever like shut the door to a song if it really spoke to me. Um, but it's really important for me. I love to be I love that part of it. I just love to write it. It feels like you're talking earlier about perspective and how that's what gives me perspective. It like puts me in some hot air balloon. I'm just like floating above a situation and I can figure out how I feel about it and how to understand something. So I mean, on a personal level, it's just really healing and I love to be able to tell stories. There are a couple of songs of yours that I'm I'm drawn to that I just think about and I'll play you one that I made a note here when I meet my maker, which again I love slow and sad. It's my thank you, Bobby, it's my jam. And you wrote this by yourself. So I'm gonna play some of this first and have a couple of things I want to say. Make cool. Yeah, we'll walk on heavens above the clouds, simples lean starts. I'll ask him all my questions. He'll answer with a smile and thank you for So when you write a song by yourself like this, how long does it take? This song was probably like, I don't know, fifteen minutes because it's either going to be really fast or really slow. When you're by yourself, you kind of know you have to deal with other peoples bull crap, or you just don't know at all, and you're like, I don't know, let me keep tinkering with it. So this one kind of fell out of you. It did. Yeah, it felt like it felt like a really spiritual moment for me. I remember I wrote the song a long time ago when I first moved to Nashville, UM and I was thinking about my great grandmother, my Mary will Let, and UM was missing her. She. I got to know my great grandmother for twenty years in my life, and um she passed and we just all words, is so so devastated and missing I was missing her, and I was just kind of sitting at this coffee table. I was renting this place and um in Burry Hill and sat down. I can't come home from my right that day, and I was just sitting there and made some dinner and picked up a pen and very much felt like a vessel moment when you pick up a pen. Are you picking up a pen and paper with no guitar and you're writing like a poem? Or are you you have the guitar in your lap and you're kind of doing what we think of as like the old school way, like ding ding ding, write it down? Like what's the songwriting process for you when you're by yourself. When I'm by myself, it's it's a paper and a pen usually and uh and the guitar in my hands for sure, And it's kind of like the guitar will give me the structure of what I want the lines to fit inside of. So I have a really hard time even when I write with other people, I have a hard time doing we're separate from music, like they feed each other to me, will you ever go in and be like, Okay, I have this like four chord situation and then kind of build a story around the kind of music you're feeling. Yes, I do think. I think the music sets a lot of the mood. It's like, what does this? If I don't know what I want to write about, then I'll let the music kind of tell me because it might sound like something that makes me feel something I want to talk about it. Or if I'm like, hey, I want to write about this, then I try to like find a piece of music that feels like that so that they kind of have to build together. To me, the other song that I think of when I think of you is again you may have to correct me going from memory here, but it's somebody's daughter. But it's the version with the girl Scout, right, that's somebody's daughter, right, Yes it is, And again correct me if I'm wrong. But a lot of these girl Scouts were homeless. And so how did how did you get with that girl Scout troupe? Why? Like what what motivated you to do that? And then how was that experience for you? Well? I heard about girl Scouts of Middle Tennessee Troops six thousand and there's a troop six thousand in New York that UM I was reading about and learning too, and it's like, wow, what a concept like you think of, you know, Girl Scouts and you buy their cookies and it's so awesome. And it's like there's a specific troop that meets inside of you know, women's and children's shelters in Nashville, and UM they meet every Thursday, and it's this cool thing that they the structure that they get to turn to for people who are, you know, without permanent housing, and it just it really moved me learning about what they were doing. And UM and we were talking with with the people who are running Girl Scouts and they're talking about how they're earning their different badges just like every other Girl Scouts troop, and about their musician badge, and I was like, okay, let's do something together we can like so they came in, they got to record in the studio and we got them like stumping and clapping and then taught them the chorus. They sang it with me and and then we got to like hand out there their musician badge at the end of it was such an emotional day. I just those girls have so much courage it's insane. Do you have that, Mike, by any chance? Did she was somebody's bitchfriend? Left? Go back when she was somebody's sister, count change with the lemonadest, probably somebody's high school first kissing, dancing and the gym with kids. I'll talk about someday's plans. Now, this slader turned green and a handle covered out. I wonder if she got lost. For God, somebody sad, somebody's did, somebody's done. Just awesome. I felt the same hearing that now the first time, thank you that was I'll never forget that day as long as I live. It was that was really special, and how great that you get to hand out the badges and it's like the perfect ending to that day. Doing that with them, never do it. It's what are you listening to right now? Let's see And it doesn't have to be new, because I definitely have the days of the week when I'm listening to some new stuff trying to But then I have the stuff that are my old faithfuls that I know I'm gonna put on John Mayer Continuum. I know I'm going to put on Counting Crows, like I have my music that when it's time for me to not worry about music but just accept the music that I love, that I go to Yeah, okay, okay, thank you. That's a good prerequisite. But I have been putting on the Flaming Red Patty Griffin before, like, well, I'm doing my makeup before I get already. At much as I love that record so much. Um, I'm always listening to Lori McKenna um the Lorraine record in my truck. I have six CD players and like four of them are hers, so it's pretty much just cycles through when i'm driving. Um, the headline there is she still used CD player. They're in there. It's just because I don't know, I don't know what to tell you, but it's in there. Um. I really loved this, the sash Alex Loan record that came out. She's I'm friends with her. She's so good and it's hard for me to separate because, you know, in her husband I played off with her husband to Henry Nice and so she's so good. And when she when she had to change her name, I know, I know, I went to say, just Sasha a Loan, but then I was like, what's happening. There's another artist. I mean I had to go through a similar thing. So we were, yeah, we were instagramming about that. Of was like, oh the good old, the good old immigration things of name changes. So yeah, I haven't met her in person yet, but I really want to, you guy, Yeah, I really we need to. We need to connect to go for coffee and hang. She's also and I'm gonna have you finish that that your music here, but she's also so like legitimately emo. Like she she was playing pickleball with with Caitlin and she was like pickleball, CA like come over because her Caitlin her friends and she shows up. She was I don't own tennis shoes. I love it, And I was like you are. So she's like that's legit. Me really happy to hear that. I love that. What else you got musically? Um? Oh the Patrick Drowning record. I love that. I've been listening to that a bunch. Um Rabel do you know any of Rabeles music? Okay, So we met this past year. Rabel like with like w R A B E L A band or a person. It's a person name. He's amazing and we we got connected through um our c A and we started writing during um COVID and and we written. We probably wrote like fifteen or sixteen songs together, and then in person in l A a few months ago. And his music is just amazing. His whole his whole record that he's put out is just so emotional and beautiful and um, one of the songs we wrote together is the is on the record, which is such a cool thing to me. Um, but yeah, I love it. His music is wonderful. Mike, did you find any Rabel? How do you spell it again? W are w r A? Yeah? Let me hear a little Rabel here, and I'm probably gonna like him. You're gonna like how you're describing it. It's beautiful music. I think he's awesome. Let's see, is he showing up or what song? What Pale Blue Dogs? The one I wrote with them, but we don't have to Lisit wasn't a pale blue at it. I'm already in okay. Yeah, gave me with a minor at the beginning. I'm like, it's sad. It's so sad and awesome, funny, as small as thing. You can open up a big trap door. And you questioned everything I was at the grocery store. I saw somebody smiling in life. I started thinking about their life. I wonder what happiness feels like. I wonder if I felt it before. I wonder if love comes on to list here. Even more, I wonder if we ever get answers to the letters that were said in God. I don't wonder why we're spinning on this pale blue do now? I get it? Yeah? So you wrote this lap I did. It's really good. Thanks. I think I can also hear you singing that. Do you ever get in a right with someone? And this isn't This is a again, an emotionally vulnerable song. It doesn't have to be personal to be vulnerable to. How you're feeling doesn't be what you've experienced. It could be how you're feeling. Do you ever go, oh, they're being really vulnerable to the holy crap, there be I gotta like change. I gotta be that way now too. I gotta match them. Yes, I have to match their energy. And maybe I wasn't prepared one way or the other to match that energy when I came in the room. True. Also, sometimes though, I think it's about just holding the door for their energy. Okay, tell me more of that. I think it can be like whether I'm the one who's really opening up and there's a co writer who's just asking the right questions, who's like just kind of listening in a way and is like catching things that you're saying that you didn't really mean as a line. But then you kind of are just helping them interpret the of what they're being vulnerable about or what I'm being vulnerable about either way. But sometimes I think it's like you just hold the door open. That's the job. I would want to just say about to stop, and I'm gonna tell you when it's good totally, and then it will just put it all together and it will be great. So here's what I'm gonna say. If you're listening to us now. First of all, I'm gonna tell you to go follow to Neil at Tanil Towns. I'm then going to tell you that you should stream her song Villain and Me because I love it and if you've gotten this far in the podcast, you probably love it too. True. She has her very first headlining tour, which is kicking off right after the beginning of the year. All the dates are up on our website to Neil Towns dot com. I mentioned all the cities, but I want you to go and watch a show and the Eliminade stand. It's a year old, yeah, but it still exists, and as I love it, I do. I love it so obviously I'm a big fan. I'm happy to see you in person again. Were we talking about on micro off Mike in person and on social media? I think we at the very start we're rolling that. I think, well we did. We're rolling talking about your really cool trees. But maybe we're rolling that. I don't think that part. Well, I didn't buy fancy tree. They are so beautiful they ma it sound like I went special. I mean they are lined up so symmetrically, and they are like the most beautiful red trees I've ever seen the Hallmark movie. Yes, exactly, Mike, That's exactly what it is. I will say. They may have been strategically lined up with the person who built the property, but I didn't like buy fancy trees. They're normal trees. Trees. Yeah, So Daniel, thank you, Thank you are a plus for sure. And then I hope people go and check out the new stuff and go see you on tour. Thank you, thanks for having me. I love getting to talk to you. Blue dots are also the dots on the concert sites when you're going check your Yeah, we should write that same title. Nobody would get it though. I log on it for him to see if anyone bought tickets, but they didn't, So yeah, just catch tell me what's gonna catch these? Yeah, I'm on a row all right, to know towns. You guys go follow her. There we go.