146 | 6 Takeaways from "Filial Therapy Using Child Parent Relationship Therapy"

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks.

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Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi, I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get a master class in child-centered,

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play therapy and practical support and application for

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your work with children and their families.

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In today's episode, we are continuing with the filial

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information,

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specifically the child-centered filial approach, which is the CPRT

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curriculum

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by Landreth and Bratton.

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And I actually had the privilege of just conducting

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a filial course through Core Wellness

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last week.

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And I received all of the evaluation feedback

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from those that participated and that were in that live training.

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And by the way, if you

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trained with me on Friday and you are also a podcast listener,

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I just want to let you know how appreciative I am

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and how grateful I am that you were able to be on the training with me.

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And I hope that as more of you continue on your CCPT

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journey that you will get some CEUs specifically in child-centered because

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we don't want to be down to the wire getting CEUs in junk that we don't care about,

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right?

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So if you were there. I'm so glad. Thanks for being a podcast listener too.

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And if you missed it, you can always go to Core Wellness'

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website and you can access the pre-recorded version.

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So it won't be considered live CEU but you can still

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get credit for it from their website on the pre-recorded option.

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So making you aware of that.

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But

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we got feedback from that and it was

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really interesting to hear the participants responses.

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And specifically one of the questions they were asked is what

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was the biggest thing that you learned or your biggest takeaway?

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And that gave me a lot of perspective and insight

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on what you all are looking for when it comes to

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learning more about the child-centered approach for filial.

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And I want to unpack what I kind of thematically coded all of the responses.

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If you don't remember your dissertation or your master's level stats classes,

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when you get a whole bunch of qualitative data, you have to code it into themes.

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So I thematically coded. I felt like I was back in grad school.

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I was like, oh man, I didn't think I'd ever do this again,

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but I pulled together all of the responses into six,

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what I consider to be

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summarized

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topics that people said that they benefited from.

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So I want to spend a little bit of time working through those with you because

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I think that speaks to what you all are looking

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for and what you want when you're trying to integrate CPRT

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into your CCPT practice. Oh my gosh. Say that fast five times. OK.

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So

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let's talk through this.

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So the first thing that the participants indicated was that they

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found it so helpful for the process of vetting parents.

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And that means a lot because we can't just

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dive in to offering filial without understanding that we should

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screen our parents, we should make sure that it's a good fit for them.

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We should set them up for success.

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We need to understand what personalities work best for

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filial and we can't just because we think,

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wow, you really need this, which, Lord help me, often, I think, oh my gosh,

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you need CPRT so badly,

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but it doesn't mean that they are a good candidate

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and it doesn't mean that they are the right fit.

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So vetting parents became something that a lot of people walked away

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and were really appreciative that they

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learned what that looks like.

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And while I can't get into all of the specifics of that, just as a general picture,

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you wanna make sure that they're going to be highly invested,

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you wanna make sure that they understand the amount of work that it's going to take.

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You have to make sure that they have the personality

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that's well suited for this kind of training.

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You either have to be really desperate for help or you have to be a high

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overachiever

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and those are really the only two categories of

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parents that work well with CPRT in my experience.

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you want to kind of keep in mind that it's not just a one size fits all type of training.

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You really do have to be intentional about

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who you think would make sense to participate.

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Second takeaway

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was that CPRT is not couples counseling and

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that it serves a completely separate purpose.

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Very interesting because I guess because I've done CPRT my whole life.

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Well, that's, that's a lie since 2005. So 20 years, half my life.

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So it feels like my whole life, but only since 2005,

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I've been doing it so long. It has only ever been a

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parent coaching model for me. It has only ever been

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a child-centered play therapy based

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help for parents.

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But I suppose from the outside looking in,

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if you think of it as this is something that you offer to parents,

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maybe it could be confused with a couple's counseling approach.

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So I thought that was very interesting.

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And one of the things that we talked about in the training

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one of the things that you vet for is

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if the parents are in some kind of marital conflict, marital chaos,

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marital dispute, of any kind,

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that can be a huge barrier to facilitating CPRT easily

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because they will try to turn it into a couple's counseling session.

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So you're meeting with them and you're supposed to be going over CPRT content

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and they're arguing about.

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Lord knows what.

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And so that is something that you have to be pretty purposeful about

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is making sure that not only you stick to the curriculum and you

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redirect all of that marital dispute nonsense that sometimes you have to deal with

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when you're working with a couple.

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But also that you make sure that that's not

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the intention or that's not going to be the

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focus of your work with a couple.

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If all they do is fight and all they do is have marital issues

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and everything becomes a spat,

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they're probably not going to be a good fit for CPRT because the focus is the child,

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not their relationship

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and you have to be very upfront and blunt about that

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and redirect them back to the child over and over again.

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If you're dealing with a couple that

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is kind of in a state of disharmony in their marriage.

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take away for people

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is and I loved this, my gosh.

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So basically the summary was

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if you believe that CCPT works

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Lord willing and the creek don't rise. So we all do, right.

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So CCPT works,

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we believe it, we know it, we trust it.

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There's data that supports that on and on right.

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we can also know that CPRT will work

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because it's the same exact principles.

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It's just extending that knowledge to parents.

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So that parents can start using the same skills that we use.

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So really cool takeaway that CCPT works and therefore, CPRT will work

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that just made me smile and it's true. I've seen CPRT work

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over and over and over again over the course of 20 years,

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just like I've seen child-centered play therapy work

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over and over again throughout the years.

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So there's no fear in offering this, that this is not going to be effective.

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It's absolutely effective because child-centered play therapy is effective

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and it's based on the exact same principles. So that was a really cool takeaway.

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Number four,

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you never want to give CCPT.

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In other words, as you're working with a child

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as a play therapist,

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you never want to offer that in conjunction with CPRT,

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where the parents then start doing play sessions with their children at home.

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And that was a really, that was a consistent takeaway.

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Many, many people acknowledge that in the feedback from the course.

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And we talked a lot about

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it's overwhelming for a child

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to do an hour play session with you each week

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and then a 30 minute play session with a parent.

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It's,

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and, and I'm air quoting because this is like a fake word, but it's over therapizing

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the child.

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So we definitely would never want to continue to work

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with a child if we started with play therapy.

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And then we realized that CPRT would be a better fit,

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we would transition out of play sessions and into the parent taking over.

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So then the parent begins play sessions when we stop sessions

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because it would be way too much for the child

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to have to do two play sessions each week.

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Fifth takeaway,

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the apparent impact

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is so much greater

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and therefore parent involvement is that much more important.

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In other words,

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we know statistically and practically

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that when parents are involved,

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the outcomes of child-centered play therapy have greater outcomes and it's

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more effective.

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So to involve parents,

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there's a longer lasting impact,

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there's broader scope of change and healing that takes place.

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It influences the whole family dynamic, not just the one child,

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because it focuses on the relationship

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just like we do, right?

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It focuses on the relationship between the parent and the child.

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So therefore, everything is exponentially better

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and we have much greater impact and outcomes

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than therapists working exclusively with the child.

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that's one of our main reasons why we would offer and suggest CPRT

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because we know that it is more effective to have a parent do it than for us to do it.

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And it's interesting, I've had therapists balk at that notion.

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I think it's driven by the idea that,

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well,

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we are gonna be out of a job.

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If we just keep coaching parents to do this, if parents can do what we do,

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then you know, we won't have clients and we're basically

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making ourselves obsolete. If you will.

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First of all, I live

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and breathe by the abundance mindset.

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I believe that there is always enough in the world

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to support anything that needs to be provided or consumed.

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if

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we are able to equip certain parents to do

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CCPT with their children through the CPRT model,

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that doesn't mean we won't have other children that will still come do play

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therapy with us because the parents are unwilling or unable to do CPRT.

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So I never have this fear that

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if I train a whole bunch of parents to do what I do,

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I won't have any parents that will bring their kids to me.

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I think abundance mindset says there's always enough for everyone.

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But I also think that

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we're not in competition with parents, we're in collaboration with parents.

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So the more we can get them involved, whether they're doing CPRT or not,

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even if we're working with their child, we still have to equip them with knowledge.

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We still have to psychoeducate, we still have to give them tips and skills and,

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and practical application tools so that they can support

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the work that we're doing in the playroom.

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They need to be involved as much as possible,

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whether that's just through consultations or whether that's through CPRT,

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we want them involved.

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And that was a big takeaway for the participants, which I was happy about that.

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And then finally,

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the final takeaway was that CPRT provided a structure and a framework

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for parents.

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And that's one of my favorite things about it.

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I actually talked about that in the training on Friday.

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I feel like many of the other parenting programs out there,

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they are skill based only

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and it's kind of hypothetical, topical situational.

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When your child does this, you do this and when this happens,

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here's your intervention and whatever,

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but there's no undergirding framework. There's no supporting structure

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that says you have something you can always fall back on

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no matter what the scenario is.

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You know exactly how to handle it because you have this basis of knowledge

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that then

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you go back to number one, the relationship is paramount.

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Number two, I have all of these rules of thumb that I've learned that help me with

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situational

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support.

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So when a child is drowning, it's not the time to teach them to swim.

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Sometimes you just have to be quiet when a child's really emotional.

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And if you can't say it in 10 words or less, don't say it.

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Sometimes we need to stop talking.

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Focus on the doughnut,

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not the hole. Who we have in the relationship with our child is

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far more important than what we wish were different about the child.

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So then you have all of those principles and foundational tenets

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and then you have the skills on top of it.

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So then we have the four pillars and then we have the way that we actually interact,

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the phrases and the skills and all of that.

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CPRT, in my opinion is effective because it provides

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some structure and some consistency for parents so that they are not always just

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throwing something out there in any given moment, hoping that it's going to work.

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There's no hodgepodge approach to this.

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CPRT is very curriculum driven

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and the content is drip fed on purpose so that what you learn at the beginning

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is built upon the further you go

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and then it all gels together and you have this really effective

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tool kit

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at your disposal as a parent

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that allows you to handle any situation with your child, not only currently,

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but for the rest of your parenting journey, even into adulthood with them,

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you never forget these skills.

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You never can get to a point where you don't need to use them anymore.

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So parents will have the long reaching impact of this as well

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so that they are always able to interact with

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their kids in a really effective and appropriate way.

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So huge. Thank you to everyone that attended the training and

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I'm hopeful that that is helpful to you as we're diving through this filial section

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as part of our curriculum.

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We really need to not only understand why it works and the value of it and all of that,

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but also things to consider.

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And I think these six that everyone walked away with

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were certainly very helpful for me to help you all with

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what you need to be considering if you're ready

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to offer CPRT as a service to your community.

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So hope that's helpful for you all. Please go to playtherapynow.com

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you can subscribe to my newsletter.

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You can find out about training opportunities.

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I will be offering some more CEU courses in the next few months.

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So you'll find more about that on playtherapynow.com as well.

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And as always, you can email me brenna@thekidcounselor.com.

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If you'd like to send me an email, say hello, ask me a question.

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Let me know how CCPT has rocked your world. I love those stories. So

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love you all. Have a great week. Talk to you soon. Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with

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Dr Brenna Hicks. For more episodes and resources,

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Please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.