#167 - Trevor Rosen of Old Dominion + The Band Name They Almost Used + 10 No. 1 Songs

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Speaker 1: Oh, just killing me. I don't get them too bad. I get tired, like I'm tired today, but I don't start like having all the symptoms. I just when I started to get extra tired, I realized it's probably allergies. They we're gonna start. I guess I feel great. I just because I wrote my bike for like the last hour. One of those pelotons, one of those Uh no, I just bought an order track treadmill, which is really cool, the same thing with the screen and you work out with people and go on run. So it does that now because when you said an order a track, I thought represent like you keep an old school, but now they do. It's got the WiFi connection. Yeah, And I wrote hard and my body felt great. But the allergies, it's like my whole head is just like anyway, I have to do that during that podcast Apologies by the way, episode one sixty seven, we're starting it now Trevor of Old Dominion. But what I didn't know Trevor is all these songs pretty I guess enduring Old Dominion too. That we're gonna get into that you wrote. I mean, who knew you were so rich? Well, I don't know I look at this house. I'm not rich enough. Come on. Uh so, uh oh, here's something that I was like, you're you're coming in. I don't know why, Mike do you walked up here to produce the show and I was singing zoot Suit Riot. You're familiar with that song, Zoo Suit Riot. I was thinking about band names because I was thinking about you guys name because mostly I saw Old Dominion playing in the NC Double A tournament recently. We just gotta be weird for people to go Old Dominion, Old Dominion. That's just kind of a weird thing because as you guys have gotten more popular now, it is owned the name to some people, more so than the university does. I think. So it's like we couldn't have foreseen it. But it's like free advertising for sure. And so with the name this the bang name of this band is Cherry Pop and Daddy's. I just think about that first, and I don't know if a band could be named that right now, certainly not a country band. I remember I was pop radio at the time, and this is this whole sound was big. It was like Terry Pop and Daddy's and Brian Sets or Orchestra Um there are a couple more of these, like big bands, Big Bad Daddy, which is my name on my email, Big Bad Voodoo, Bobby Um and so. But I was thinking Cherry Pop and Daddy's like when you break that down and we don't need to write here, but that's a that's a wild band name. It really is. They couldn't. I don't think it could be a pop pop band name right now, or it could cross into the mainstream. Yeah, although I mean it does have that thing where like, if you're young enough, you have no idea what they're talking about. But there's no way, there's no way that's the pervious band name. As I'm thinking about it, there's ever been on the radio, Like I'm thinking about again. It all candom because I was thinking of you guys band name and not that old dominion and Jerry Pop and Daddy is the same thing. By any any means, that's might bee the pervious band name I've ever heard that actually had a hit. It really is. I I forgot the Butthole Surfers. Yeah, it's just like it starts to become like that's just the band name. You forget what the name actually is. It's do you remember butthole surfers Pepper, we just have to call him the be hole, sir. This is again. I was a teenager. I was on the radio as a teenager. Mike, pull up, Pepper if you don't mind, and uh, this song came out and at first you could say but hoole, and then everybody started to crack down. Really I'm but hole. Yeah, do you remember this? Yeah? I thought it was such a jam back. It was a mind some Sometimes that's good anyway. Uh yeah, look at you guys. You know what's cool. I think now, and I say this not even just to your face. I think you guys are my top three artists right now period and my favorite band thank You, which I did not see coming frankly, just because you guys, all of yours. Let's let me break it down for you. Whenever you guys all get together, you're like, it's a bunch of guys like me, like normal dudes. Right, But then your records are all every song is so freaking good. Thank you. And I'm not saying this is to your face. I said out of your face. I also say it to your face when you guys come in. But like I listened to your whole records. I listen to nobody's records. I don't give a crap about records. I'm in the land of put out. Put a single out, give me three songs, come back in a few months, give me three more songs. But when you guys put out a record, I will say you've put out the best records consistently in the past few years. Thank you for saying that. First of all, I mean, that's that's a huge compliment. But you know, I think for us as songwriters, I mean we have all five of us are writers. Three of us have had publishing deals for a long time, so I think that's always been our goal as we've just write so many songs, and we're constantly trying to you know, trim the fat and just you know, come up with a collection of the best songs, our favorite songs. So we always make that our going. It's funny in these days, like people say, people aren't even gonna be putting albums out pretty soon, it's just gonna be singles. But I always think, like, well, that's part of the fun for me because I always loved bands that I could listen to the album all the way through, so it's it's definitely a compliment to hear you say that, because that, for me personally is a goal. I don't a skippable song. There are about three, maybe four artists who've put a record in the last couple of years, not including some of my friends, and I'll tell them, and he knows i'd lead as song seven. You know, I'll try to be as honest because I believe if you're honest all the time, then the compliments actually matter. So if I tell my friends, you don't really feeling that so much. When I do say, I'm feeling that they know I'm telling the absolute truth and let's be honest to you get sorounded by it. With a little bit success, you gets rounded by yes people all the time and as fun as that everbody let's get backscratch, but it starts to be detrimental to what you're producing. If everybody likes everything, I think it absolutely is that being said. Dan and Shay's last record, Fantastic Front to the Back, Um you guys records, Stapleton, The Traveler and from a From a Room one two. There were a couple I was like, yeah, but Casey's last record, and I was on that, and I stopped talking about it because I dont want to be that guy who's like, oh, once it got cool, I backed off. You know, you don't want to be there gay because I was screaming about it when I first came out and then they got cool, and I stopped screaming about it because I was like, I don't want to be the tool that's like everybody thinks I've just jumped on that. But my point is before I moved to some songs here is that you guys are just quality and quantity and it's so rare, and that's why I was pumped it. You can do well. Thanks for having me, and thank you for saying that. Man, I really that is a great compliment. I'm gonna slam some number one here real quick. From Old Dominion, hotel Key wrote this one all these that I play or are you pretty much wrote all the singles with the band right so far? Yeah, hotel Key jam which you know my co host and my best friend Amy that that was her way earlier when that song was just really she was like, oh know anything about music, and she doesn't, but she's like, this is one of the great songs I've ever heard so um written in the sand, jam jam, thank you. No such thing as a broken heart like this one. I'm dead that Paul Chart. I have that one uh song for another time. Snap bag. Here we go break up with Damn. I just want to let everybody know what we're doing here. Here's the here's the song that I love right now, and I have a story about it. One Man Band. First of all, this is my favorite song maybe that you guys have ever put out. Thank you. It's one of my favorites too, of all the songs that I love, this this my probably my favorite song you guys have ever put out. Also, because with music, you find a song and you relate to it, you start to go, oh, like somebody feels like I feel it. Isn't that what's cooled by music? It really is? Yeah. I mean like I always grew up melody first, I think when I started and Nashville really taught me how to be a true lyricist and connect with people. But that's like the holy grail when when you have a song that you would love anyway no matter what it says, but then the lyric really kind of nails the sentiment that you know, hits a lot of people because you know, I'm single and I'm like finn to be that, but that one hits me. And so have you heard that Matt Ramsey story about me messaging about this song. Yes, I feel like such a dude because I think he didn't get my joke. Oh no, he was like, Bobby said, I should give Brad a raise. I'm like, oh, give him a raise, give me a raise too. That I thought it was funny that, like Matt was the boss that was paying us, but that's not the okay, look okay, So he got it, like he was saying, he didn't seem like he got it. And I felt like the biggest tool. I said. I sent him a message because I follow you a Matt on Instagram and and so I I was listening to it because you don't you make a playlist and you don't listen, you know, you listen to fifteen songs currently, switch it out like you're on a fly. You do whatever. And I'm listening to it, and I hit him up and say, hey, who's singing the harmonies on this song? And he says, Matt, Brad, Brad Frank, somebody sound like Amy? Right? Yeah, I know that's a whole lot of things. So I go, I said, man, he's singing the crap out of those harmonies. Give him a raise. Just an expression, literally, just an expression like, hey, the the guy saying the harmage barely gets any credit. Like tell him. I said, that really good and he goes, He goes, well, we don't. We're all paid the same, and he said it's so dryly and I was like, I don't think you think I was kidding. So I replied back and I said, okay, I'll tell you what. All five of you get a raised, and he goes, that's really not how it works, man. You know we're built and broke it down. Yeah, like he thinks I'm the biggest tool. He thinks I think you guys need money, and so funny. It was just because on our end we knew you were kidding and we all laughed about it. But it's funny on your end you think that we thought you were like the biggest dude. Because I thought Matt thinks I'm saying everybody in the band needs a raise. That's funny. Anyway, That's my favorite song and I like and one of the songs I used to play on my show that was not a single with stars in the city with a little big town. Oh yeah, jam, thank you, I do that. That's what we sound like live sometimes. So you were in the studio today. You guys still work? Yeah? Yeah, what's happened with you guys? We're very close. I mean we almost got record three done today. I think we got everything done. There was one song we were still wrestling with for about five hours, but very close with five guys, and I'm assuming it's a is that it's a five way partnership? Ish it is? Yeah, it is. That's a lot. Is that a vote? Does it ever go to the democracy? You know, it's a discussion, you know, and everybody kind of has their area of expertise. You know, we've known each other for so long. I mean you kind of know who you know. If somebody has a strong opinion and that seems to be their area, you know, will kind of defer. But everybody out has an opinion and usually will agree. Our musical minds are pretty on the same page. But when we disagree, we just kind of talk it out, you know, and then you'll settle on an answer. Very rarely, is it like where two guys are really head to head and and and just won't let it go. And then at that point we will kind of go, well, what's what's the consensus here? What does everybody? What does everybody think? And so, I mean it's like being married to for different people. I mean you do have to sometimes fight for what you want, but then also realize you're one of five. You five have known each other, like who knew each other the longest? Um, Yeah, it's kind of coma here. It's it's interesting because we get asked that a lot, and we usually have like thirty seconds to give a tidy answer, but it's a it's a little longer. I think Witt and Matthew went with the drummer and Matthews the least singer. They went to the middle school together. They were in the same they grew up in the same area, and um, so they knew each other I think technically the longest. But then in college they all went to college somewhere in Virginia, including Brady was from Connecticut. He went to school in Virginia as well, so they all kind of knew each other in college. Actually, Wit and Jeff the bass player played in a band together in college and they would play shows with Brad's band sometimes and Matt was kind of playing in the same circuit, so they had a history before any of us moved to Nashville. But then about sixteen years ago, I moved in Ashville and Matt had just moved there recently, and um, he's one of the first people I met. We met on stage at a writer's around and so we kind of started writing a long time ago. I think in Nashville terms, as far as being co writers and collaborating, I think we've probably done the Nashville songwriting thing the longest. But what was the idea for you when you moved to town? You know what, I wanted to move to be an artist, like I think a lot of people do when they move here. A lot of songwriters end up just being songwriters, which is fine. But I moved here. I wanted to get a record deal and everything, and so I was sort of going after it that way, but then got a publishing deal, and you know, you sort of hit a wall a little bit. Sometimes when you're going for the artist thing, you realize just how much competition there is, and and uh, you know, and then I loved songwriting. I love the artist songwriting and started pitching songs and realizing that that was a possibility too. So at some point I really didn't think any of this old dominion or artist thing was gonna happen. I sort of said it side and went, you know, I want to be a songwriter, and that's that's a great life to have. So when you come and you want to be an artist, was it assulted to be a solo artist we're trying to form a band. Yeah, I want to be a solo artist. So yeah, I was writing songs and just you know, trying to get a publishing deal, but really with the goal of trying to get signed. And how long did you kind of run that down? Um, I'd say it's hard to really pin it down because I was still playing shows around town with that idea. I'd say about five years and I moved here in fall two thousand three. I'd say within about four or five years, I was pretty much gone, Yeah, I'm not really going for that anymore. Did it go from I'm not going for that anymore right into oh, we should do this band or was there like a brief period where you're just like, I'm gonna be a song writer because I'm freaking good at it. It was a good stretch where I was just going to be a songwriter. I mean even you know, Matt and I had been writing songs and you know, sort of going after it, and Matt was trying to do his artist thing too, but we had been writing songs for a long time, and I'd say there's probably a good I don't know, it's hard to do the math exactly, but I'd say a good four year stretch where we were just trying to get cuts. You know, we were both still playing writer's nights and playing out and sometimes I jump up with his band. You know, it's kind of that deal. But we were really just kind of resigned to being songwriters and trying to get cuts. So yeah, there was a good stretch where I never really foresaw having a record deal doing what we're doing right now. What's that first conversation where it's like, hey, should we try something because you're writing songs some getting all right at it. Yeah, you know, you have a little success, but then it kill back the artist route, like it's like starting over because it's a grind. It really was. It's so weird because with us it was a little different. It was pretty non conventional because we started jamming together. You know, Matt was already playing with Wit and Jeff who had moved to town by that point, and Brad was the last enter. But you know, they were playing shows as you know, Matt Ramsey basically, and he was just doing it to showcase songs. And I would jump up every once in a while and then started showing up frequently, and so I was like, I'll just be in the band. And we were just doing it for some extra cash, just to showcase songs. But it was really fun. We were all really close and we enjoyed it. But I think the switch flip was when like we got a couple of cuts and then we had a hit, you know, uh, Craig More again, we had a Top fifteen, which one it's called wake Up Loving You wake Up Yeah, yeah, I mean that was an old Dominion staple. Like we would close our shows with that, and then that that got on the radio and then say you do for Dirk s Bentley he cut that and it was like yeah, and we started to go like, okay, well we have hits. We know we're writing hits. These are hits and we you know, we had a sound and we started to go our bands pretty good. I still didn't think this was gonna happen. I still thought it was a dream. But um, but then just people started talking, you know, like, well, these guys have hits, their band is really good. People started to come watch us, and uh. I remember I remember talking to Matt one day and just we had we weren't really seriously considering it, but I remember one conversation where we started talking about wake Up Loving You, and this is before it really was a hit for Craig Morgan, but we were like, would that be cool if we played it live. We used to have this little alarm clock that that started the song. Maybe kind of cheesy, but we thought it was cool at the time, and we started going, wouldn't that be cool if we were playing like an arena and it was counting down to the show beginning and it was like this alarm clock. But when it hit like zero seconds to the show, like the alarm clock started to go off, and I started envisioning us playing it live to a crowd, and I think for me that was the first time I went, yeah, the artist thing would be pretty cool to be out there and actually be delivering it to the fans. It was like the first time the spark happened again where I started to even consider it, because at that point I had resigned myself to living in Nashville and just writing songs. It's funny you talking about how you know you guys had written some hits and you were because that's how you were first told to me, Like, as a bunch of songwriters. It really goot songwriters that have like formed a band like that was the word that gets to me. Three layers removed, right, It's like, hey, did you used to hear these guys? And that first song you guys put out was like a what was it? What was the very first song guys put out? Um? I mean the first one that really hit was a break up with them? But what was Yeah, there was there was one before that. What was the one before that? Do you remember the one they put out a little bit? There was a couple on x M all right, so that we test fired a couple of the first one because we couldn't get arrested, we couldn't get a record deal, and you know, they agreed to play something that we put out one called Dirt on the Road. I don't know that one. Yeah, And then we put out one called shut Me Up, which is a very rock and kind of song, and um, that was actually we were trying to put that out to radio. We had a you know, a little independent we were trying to do it in dependently and we were going to radio was shut me Up. But then some stations started playing break up with Them. I guess would be the first one to that that we played too. Yeah. Yeah, when stations started just jumping on breaking break up with Them before we even we're trying to promote it, we went, okay that we have a thing here, we need to switch gears. Was there any sort of a couple of labels going hey, we'd like to have you. Well, no, I'd like to have you. Was it ever known more for old dominions? No, there was. I mean we actually it got to a point where, I mean, you know how hard it is to make it in this town and hard to get a record deal. So it's not like I the whole time was going why won't anybody sign us? But you know, we we went into this pretty mature and we had been around a while, so we understood how hard it was, but there there did hit this certain point where I'm going, our band is really good, you know, and we've written hits for other people. We obviously know how to write hits, and we had some stuff already recorded that we felt sounded really good, and and uh, you know, then radio started playing some stuff and it really everything was taking off and it seemed like, you know, and then we signed with management. We got the Kenny Chesney tour before we even had a record deal, and so we're going, Man, we have this major tour, we have songs on the radio, We've written hits for other people, Like, why won't anybody sign us? Like I could not understand, and I started to just feel like it's never gonna happen. Why do you think that people wouldn't sign you. I think we were were a little bit older, you know. I mean, we were all in our thirties, and you know, I don't think we were old, but I think they were just maybe had a perception that we were just songwriters. And I think that's a fair perception. Yeah, I mean, but that's how you were pitched around too. And I can understand that, you know, we were we were a little bit older, and we had that perception of just being songwriters. And you know, I mean honestly, like we're you know, the songs are on the radio now and and we're sort of used to it, but back then it did sound a little different thing. And you know, I don't know that it was down the middle country. So you know, I think there's always a lot of reasons why it's hard to get signed, you know, and it just takes wedging that door open with one song and break up. The break up with them did that for us. You know, if there was no break up with them, we might not have gotten another swing at it. You know what's cool is your sixty three now and you're still making me. It's really fantastic. I can still walk to great. Do this commercial real quick. It's a situation no one wants to experience during tax season, right but with the breaches in the last couple of years, your information may already be exposed, and that could lead to an unfortunate discovery finding out that a cyber criminal stole your identity and filed for your tax return. The good thing is there's life Flock with Norton to help you protect against things that can happen to your identity and your devices. If you become a victim of identity theft, well tax related or not, life flock will work to fix it, but they dedicated identity restoration specialist who's designed to your case from beginning to end. 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And you wrote this one drive the Matt Yeah, Matt nine, Shane McNally. This, let's go back a little bit better Dick to Bampierre. Yeah, that was my first number one. Actually, boy, this song was an anthem for a while. It was, I mean, just how it starts all of this, the production of the song, that this is a big one. It was that one. That was another one where I hadn't had any hits yet. I had the Craigmoker one on the radio, and I remember we wrote this one. That was me and Brandy Clark and Shane mcinnely wrote a Better Dig two and Shane produced the demo. I mean this is before any of us. I mean Shane, I think at that point had on number one and he was starting to get a lot of attention. But um, Shane would produce a lot of the demos. And actually Casey Musgrave was saying that demo for us. That was before she had a record deal or anything. And I remember when he sent me the demo, I'm like, oh my god, like we're going to have a hit for sure. And then we still pitched that around all around town and couldn't get it cut. Was it as intense the demo as intense as the track ended up being produced. Mike played a little bit from the beginning. I better if you can pull that up, because it's it hits. Oh yeah, yeah. When he sent me the demo, it was very I mean, obviously they you know, their production is bigger. It's a it's a major label production. But yeah, the demo is crazy. I remember Shane sent it to me. I was out of town and he sent me the demo and his comment to me was he said, I said, how's this. How's it the track sound? He said, this track is gonna fuck you up. I don't know if I can say that. You can't. Okay, that's like international waters and do whatever you want. And I had did. I played it. It sounded so different. It's funny now looking at it through the lens of today because it sounded so crazy different than anything else when he he um sent me the demo, and uh yeah, it was and I remember thinking like, oh, this is gonna be the biggest Miranda head. We're pitching to Miranda and Carrie Underwood. And then and then when the band Perry wanted to cut it, you know, we were like, oh, they're kind of a newer band, And it actually ended up being the best thing that could happen because when you have that song that helps really break a new artist, then it becomes like a big staple for them. So I mean like, and it's already dropped picked out of that here. I mean it's strong. I mean I think about how just intense the song with the banjo or whatever that is the beginning. Yeah, they did such a great job on it in case He's yeah, that's funny. Do you still have that somewhere, like in a phone somewhere. Oh yeah, yeah, that's a cool thing for like ten years from now. I know. I played because my kids are big Casey Musgues fans too, and my daughter, she's seven, she asked me to play every song I ever write. She's like, play me whatever songs you have, and and she loves Casey. And I was like, you know what I have, and I played it for her. She was her mind was blown. Five kids, four four kids, Amy my co host. If you don't listen to the radio show, my co host Amy, my best friend. Um, she wasn't. We were on the air one day and we're playing this game and I was like, okay, I'll read you all the people in the band. You tell me who the band is. And I was reading all you guys I've done like Freddie Mercury, you know, it was like third eye blind everyone. And I read all of you guys names, and she goes, no idea, and I was like, Amy, they've been in the studio like eight times and friendly. She's like, I have no idea, and so I said, no, that's all. That's all Dominion, and she was like, oh, I don't know. I just gotta see them. I don't know their names. The name is the kindest person ever, a little a little fluffy sometimes, but I had a little bit but like great and so um she said. She texts me. She goes, um, I'm on the flight whatever from the old Dominion and he just put he he just texts me We're going to Disney, like maybe at the same time. And he just texts me and then resigned his name again so I would know it was him. And so I thought that was pretty funny. Yeah, she felt pretty bad about that. Oh it was funny. I never remember people's names either, so I certainly didn't take offense, but I did. I didn't pass up the opportunity to rub it in on Twitter. So and then she goes, hey, we hung out with river. And this is what she said about you. She said your kids were the most well behaved kids. And she's and you have four kids. I have four kids. She's like, they're the most well behaved kids. Have no said, I have no idea how he gets in behavior like that. Well, they must have been having an on day. How How old your oldest um? Fourteen? She'll be fifteen this summer. Fourteen year old kids? Yeah, and my son just durned thirteen while we were out there, Holy crap. And how old your youngest five? You got any more coming? You're done? Officially? Are you sure? I'm let's hope it took time? How rare? How recent is that is? That it was two years ago? Is that painful or now it wasn't too bad? Did you do like the local anesthetic or do you just go give it to me, Rob, I'm just gonna sit here and take it. Just give it to me. Give me a bullet, I'll bite it. Bullets and whiskey. Yeah, I mean I'm sure that. Yeah, I think there was a local shot there that that helped. But no, as long as you have definitely have to do what they say. They say, like, don't get up, don't try to do anything, you're gonna feel and feel like, oh, I could go for a run. But they're like, don't be fooled. How long you have to take off whenever you get this a couple of days, just ice sit there in a chair with some ice. ID. Okay, So I don't have any kids, right, and I had I've had a dog and for fifteen years I had this dog. Loved him so much, right, and he was my best friend and my dog my best friend. And he still had nuts at about age eleven. And they said, you don't have to cut your nuts off, right, your stepping nuts that right? Yeah? Yeah they're still And they were like, you got I've got you gotta cut your dog's nuts off. He's been sick twice. It was the hardest thing I ever had to It wasn't even mind nuts and had to snip them. Is tough and it's not really the same, but it did a heart. It's the same. Yeah, I don't know. That seems like something you got to do earlier, because at eleven it wasn't fair to him. He's like, I've had these things for eleven years where they go, but dogs quickly forget though He's fine, I met a girl. William Michael Morgan, this is the number one YE wrote with Sam Hunt and Shane mcinally right. Yeah, she made me wait, she crawled the street when you guys wrote this because I heard Sam cut it? Did you guys cut it with Sam in mind? And then he ended up not putting it on the record. No, I mean this was before Sam had a record deal. So um. I mean in much the same way a lot of our songs ended up. We don't necessarily right with ourselves in mind, and I think with Sam at that time, we didn't know what Sam was going to sound like, you know, and we weren't necessarily going, oh, does this sound like you? I mean when you're in the beginning stages. He hadn't even signed a deal, he hadn't even cut anything, and you don't really have a direction. You're just trying to write a cool song. So it definitely sounded different. I think when you guys heard William Michael Morgan do it, we're like holy crowd that went traditional country quick. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Scott Hendrix, who produced it. He was so excited and he's like, I want you guys to come here this it's it's not gonna sound like your demo at all, but we love it and we want you to come here. And yeah, I was blown away. I couldn't believe how different it was, but how great it sounded. It was cool because I think that's the coolest thing when you can write a song that you could produce it any different way and it's still a great song and it's core. So it was pretty cool to hear it that traditional and still love it. Sant Gria from Blake Shelton. This is Josh Osborne and Shane you know that Josh and j T. Harding was all right, yeah, j T, and here that Josh in here? You know, j T, I don't think. I don't think. I know you should have him in here. He's a riot. Yes, yeah I don't. J We haven't had him in yet. So you wrote this this actually, which was you know, it's weird when a song flies up a chart, right, because it's fun to have a song that ghosts the number one. I bet right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty fun. It's right. It's a cool thing. And you like to get a Blake or Luke Cutter and Aldane cut All, but they fly up the chart they do, and it's like here they come and there they go, Like you like to get them, You're happy you got them, But it is there a part of you that goes, that's such a good song, just a part of you, because most of you is not. You just want the song to be saying by Blake, that's awesome. He goes, Man, it's gonna be a number one, it's gonna be all the chart before you can really like pay your bills. Yeah, I don't think that because I've had them die, you know. I've definitely had songs that I thought were sure things and and then they die. So for me, I just go just keep going, go as fast as you want, be a big hit, you know. And with that too, I think that was a three week number one, and you know it still gets played a lot. So if if that's the case and it's going that quickly, then then you hope it's just a big one that you know continues we get play because guys like BLAKEE. Shelton, you know they're gonna have they have what thirty forty singles that you know are going to be played for years. So you hope that maybe you have one of those ones that gets played for years. The first parody that when we were just doing parodies my band The Raging Idiots. Instead of Sangario, we did Tortilla. Do you remember that? Well, good for us, we have pierced the consciousness of the of the writers. Then we still play that sometimes I'll play in during comedy shows. Nice, I'll grab my guitar because that's the because at this point now I'll do stand up and I'll we still play some band shows and I think we were playing full band shows on some festivals of you guys, but we're playing you guys will play right after us, and uh, we see you going. We could be coming off and you guys will be going on. But like what up to see? We suck sorry, have a good show. Um, but now I will play that sometimes, like my do stand up because people like play Sangaria or buy me a goat. We don't really do any We don't do a lot of parodies now, but um we were too good for rom Now we're now that bang you're talking about. But yeah, that was the first one I ever did. It was I said Eddie and noticed said, hey, this sand Gray song is really good. Do you think you could write tortilla and he's like, I said, you're Mexican. I really can't. I can't write all of it as as a white guy. So that was the first parody. Yeah, it was the first one. Yeah, it was. It's kind of what launched the whole thing. Here. Uh, let me let me write. Let's see here right now on the chart, you have one that got away from Michael rates in top five. Put you write this one. Matt wrote this with Matt and Jesse Fraser and Josh Osbourne. So you're writing these songs and you go, it's good, but it's not good enough for us to keep is that? What is that? What it's like? No, not really, No, it's because this one it was funny. Our manager Will he was like, you're not going to cut this song. He wanted us to, and we like this one. You have some we have some good sense now of what is a hit or is not a hit. So it wasn't whether we thought it was a good song or whether it's a hit. But it's this weird science of trying to figure out what to record and not record, you know, And it's like it can come down to so many different things. Do we already have a song in this vein or or whatever. But sometimes we just try to play it and it either does or doesn't sound like us. And I don't know, there's no definition for that. There's just there's just a gut feeling. So a lot of songs we try out, and we did. We we definitely considered this one pretty strongly, but you know, we didn't do it. It It wasn't because we didn't like it. We immediately started to pitch it because we did feel like it was a hit. Is I look at this list year one, two, three, four or five six? I see I don't know if this is an accurate number, but I see ten number one total? Is that about right? I think? So? So when you write these songs that go number I just wonder what it's like in this this part, this dynamic with the band, and it's like if everybody's writing songs, and obviously you want your song to get put on the record, because again I keep the lights on the house, you got nineteen kids feed, you know what I mean? Like it does that dynamic ever get a little bit dicey? Does it ever go to a vote where it's like he's got this song that feels the same as this song. Yeah, I don't think it really has come down to that yet, because ultimately, whatever the best song is is best for the band. Now, if do you feel like your song, like, if it's close, don't you feel like your song is the best, because I would. That's the hard part. Now, I don't see I might be the opposite. I might be inclined to to not vote for my song, you know. Um, But you know, y'all get a sense. I mean, it's it's a five opinion kind of thing democracy. So I do feel like sometimes if say, if there's two songs that it's it's such a tie and they're so close, and maybe you know, a few of us wrote the one, where maybe only one of us wrote the other one, maybe it could come down to that tiebreaker where we go, look, this is an absolute tie. The tie goes to the fact that more of us wrote the this one. I think it hasn't come down to that yet, but I could see it coming down to that. But at some point you just gotta set it aside and go. You know, if this is what everybody feels like it is the best move for us, then that's just got to be the best move. So is there anyone in the band that doesn't write as much like they got? Like, you know what, you guys are the real songwriters. I'm just gonna play my answer and be on stage drop star. Yeah. I mean, well, Matt and Brad and I do most of the writing, you know. I mean we've been writing in Nashville for years with publishing deals and really doing the Nashville songwriting thing, you know. So you know Jeff and Witt also, right, you know they played in bands for years and played original stuff, and you know what they do is definitely a big part of the writing and a part of the sound. But yeah, I mean in the conventional Nashville songwriting way, Yeah, it's it's mostly Matthew and Brad and I. I would think as someone who tried again, I just love the dynamics of a group because I'm gonna group myself, right, my morning shows a group. I have eight personalities. I mean, I'm the boss, but still like Amy matters sometimes more than mine does, because she if she's not good, I'm not good. You know, lunchbox I have, and then I have a band, and then I have you know, all these different like groups where the group dynamic really does affect things. What if like why why are why are you not the lead singer? Like when was that a conversation? I'm not as good as not come down to well, No, I mean yeah, first of all, I mean Brad is a great singer. But I think Matt is one of the best singers I know. I just think he's got a lot of character to his voice, and he's just got a great voice. And no, that was never in question. I think I was a fan of Matt before I ever thought about being in the band. You know, even when we wrote together. If he was playing playing out somewhere, I'd I'd go watch him. Don't want pill one off? They'll be like I got this some boys, I don't really I know Brad does. I mean Brad sang one on the last record. I think there's a part of Brad that would love to put out his own record or maybe sing more, which I would be all in favor of. I think Brad is a great singer. The Eagles they all sing right, yeah, most of them. The Google Dolls, I hate it on their basis saying no, I don't know if you ever listened to Google Dolls he did like two tracks. It would be like Johnny sing the songs and like two tracks, he'd throw a bone at the basis and I'd be like, here I am. It was just weird. I didn't know that. Actually I knew like in the recent like Weezer records, you know, they don't have that too. Hey that because I'm a huge Weezer fan. Because once you've already established like, hey, this guy is the sound of the band, I think it's harder. That was the thing with brad last album. Like I was glad he got one in and I thought like, man, it would be cool if we had two or three, you know, um to establish it early, because once you don't establish it early, then it's not going to sound like your band. But I do love how the Eagles, you know, they had Glenn Fry and Don Henley and even you know, some of the other guys saying one kid, yeah, yeah, and then you know, like obviously the Beatles. I do love that when there's a versatility, but it's a little bit harder to do. And today's musical climate, I guess, I mean, people have short attention span. They're not going to realize it's old dominion. If it's not Matt singing so and and I agree with what you're saying. But also if someone gets sick, someone can can cover pretty easily and do the songs. Or if someone gets kicked out of the band. I'm just saying, like if Matt Fire is one of us, like yeah, stop it. Like the Bear Naked Ladies, right, they kicked out the singer Stephen, He's not even in the band anymore. They got together for the Canadie I'm a big Bear Naked Lady fan. Um, they got together for the Canadian Hall of Fame, but they kicked him out years ago, and so ed the guy who does the rapping, who can also sing, is now the full singer. But because he had sang so much early, it's not that weird because now you just go and like the drummer sings a little bit. Oh he's got it's band. Yeah, if he can do that, then it's I man. I used to drive to the ice to work in a marina. You have many jobs before, yes, what you do? Oh? Man? Well, the one that I had most recently I worked at best Buy here in Cool Springs for like eight years, Home Theater for eight years I think it was seven or eight years down here. Yeah, even through like two publishing deals, I still had my job there doing just sold TVs surround sound systems. Yeah, crazy, I used to work out. The reason I talked about the marina is I used to drive to the marina every day when I was filling up boats and fixing boats and driving around pontoons. And that song it's been that. I mean, that song reminds me. Yeah, I'm driving to the to the to the marina. By the way, let mention that you have Kelsey song I hate love songs. Yes, yeah, this is this one too. Could you write this way? I wrote it with Kelsey and Shane McNally. Yeah. You and Shane right a lot together. We do well, he used to and we both kind of don't see each other as much. But yeah, I mean the funny thing people you know, you think of like Shane mcinnaley or Josh. I was one of these guys like, oh, these big hit songwriters. But when we started out, you know, the band, and we have the band arc, you know, as part of our story, but really the songwriting arc, you know, Matthew and I and Shane and Josh and matt Jenkins and Brandy Clark. We didn't have anything going on back then, so I mean we used to write with each other all the time and and just had this kind of sound with each other. So I mean we've written hundreds of songs probably together. Yeah, it's funny to see whenever they make you guys and Brothers Osborne up. Yeah. First of all, you don't even look the same. There's really nothing close in Brothers Osborne. I guess there are two words. I don't know. What do you that. I've tried to figure it out too, I have to what do you think it is? I don't know because there are two guys in that band. I guess I would understand if it were like an f GL thing where it's another duo or a Dan and Shane. They're mixing up the duo. I mean they're taller, they sound different. There's only not there. I love it though. Now it's funny because you guys have both kind of made a name for yourself in different ways. You're you know, both successes. It's it is really funny and now it's a thing because it's happened how many times. But I don't know why they keep mixing you guys up. I really don't know, like now, like sometimes i'm do those people really mix us up? Or are they just sent on the joke now? But yeah, that's funny. Does the old you guys ever go? Do have you played at school school Ald Dominion? Ah? Yeah, we played there. I think last summer. Was that a thing? No? Um, do they care? I don't I can't remember. I don't feel like they hyped it up too much as Old Dominion. At Old Dominion, I think there was a little bit of element of that, but I don't know. Was it weird to have the name? Was there any legal thing like you can't call yourself Ald Dominion? Yeah? Actually we almost weren't called Old Dominion. Um well, so early on, you know, it's so hard to pick a band name. You know, it's like the worst thing it can possibly have to do because yeah, you're always self conscious. You know, everybody's gonna rip on you and shoot down anything everything, definitely. Um, So you know we had to sit there and go, Okay, well we're not gonna be named Matt Ramsey or whatever. Let's figure out a band name or a band And so we had tried so hard and we finally settled on Old Dominion. Matt said that one days, like the only thing I could think of that's related to Virginia that hasn't been taken as Old Dominion, And we were like, well, what's wrong with that? So we were Old Dominion for like maybe two years and started to get some steam. You know, we had some things going. We had already put out a couple of songs on iTunes, and then we were talking to our attorney and he's like, man, I'm just really concerned about the legalities of this. You know, you got the peanut company, and you got the trucking company, and you got the university and and the beer and so man. We we actually got to the point where we were sitting at a bar in Nashville trying to come up with a new name and pretty much having a band fight. And then I finally, I don't know, I can be stubborn sometimes, but I was like, you know what, this is stupid. I'm like, we can be called the Dominion. And they were like, well no, he the attorney says we could get sued, and I said, that doesn't make any sense to me. I'm like, there is there is a university there is a peanut company. They're they're not suing each other. There are already more multiple old dominions, and so I'm like, I'm not doing this. I'm gonna call the attorney. And our attorney was like, man, I don't know. He said, really, you're probably right, except the university is the one I'm afraid of um because they have a marching band, they have merchandise that they sell. So I was like, okay, well, I'm gonna get a home with somebody. So I sat out there all day and track down somebody at the university and just asked people until I got to the right person, and I said, hey, we're this band. We've been operating under this name. We already have songs out, you know, is this an issue? And they said no, as long as you don't use our logo, we're not worried about it, you're good. And so I took it back to the guys and I'm like, does this satisfy everybody? And they're like, okay, I guess we're still old dominion. You got it in writing, Yeah, I think that's the play getting in writing. Yeah. So it was all out of like futility of being able to come up with a new name. Any of the names you guys talked about, I mean, I do know they were all awful, um but man, and I can't remember. I do remember playing the Wild Horse one time when we were in limbo and we were like, let's just be let's just tell her where Friday Eagle. The girl would announce us when we would play the Wild Horse as and she, you know, she'd go, what do you guys called? Sometimes we'd just be Matt Ramsey or whatever. And one time she was like, how do you want me to announce you? And Matt was like, Friday Eagle. She's like, ladies and gentlemen, Friday Eagle. It's pretty funny. I thought the video of you guys playing was it the Wild Horse and there's like one couple dancing. Oh yeah, that was I couldn't believe Matt still had that on his computer. It was just and I mean that in the most sincere way. It was here you here, you guys, are you got all these hits the band? You got all these hits his Riders and you're playing to no one right, And there's an old couple that are it looks like they're two stepping to that summer and do you want from memory that summer? That summer and it was a hey, look even we like struggled our brains out and nobody would come to our shows and look at us now. And it wasn't look at us now, like look at us now, but I was like, freaking look at us now, like we can do this, you guys can do this. Yeah, I was inspired by the video. I thought that was pretty cool. Posts it was really cool. I mean that, like you said, that was that was before any of the hits or anything. Fried Eagle Days. It was Fried Eagle Days. Web might have been the night we've announced ourselves as Frida Eagle. I was watching Speaking of band names, I was watching that Motley Crewe. It's a biopic on Netflix. Have you seen the previous for it. I've heard about it, but I haven't seen it. It's kind of a disaster, but you almost have to watch it. Like I'm such a music nerd, Like give me any sort of biography or a biopic, like I'll watch I just consume music. And so I'm like, let me watch this thing. And there's a whole scene where they're they're going to with their name Motley Crew, and I guess one of their names before it was Motley Crewe was X M A S S like X mass like X mess with the pentagram. Oh my god, it was, but that was really one of their names. And I was thinking when I was watching that, I was like, nine point nine pers in the band. Names are so stupid. We just accept them because they get a hit. And there said so much over the over time. I remember Florida Georgia line when they I'm like, that's the dumbest name ever. And now it's just their name. It's just part of it's just words that makes sense to us. I do remember tire Fire that was one of them throughout tire Fire. Really let's just be called tire fire, tire fire and yeah, and you sit there and go, this is a terrible, terrible name. But like it's not like dirty, gross grimy, like some backyard like you guys are grimy. Yeah, exactly, like dirty and grimy. So um, talk to me about like this whole new record that you guys have. Do you guys play on the record. We do, which is cool because that doesn't happen a lot in town. It doesn't. It's very rare. And uh, I think it's part of what makes us. You know, people a lot of times will tell us, oh, you guys sound like you. It sound like old dominion. And I think partly because we play, you know we it's it's Faust five and then this time, like Dave Cohen has played keys and coming and done some different things, so he's he's a big part of it too. Um. But almost aside from Dave, every note and every choice everything as you know, us playing and Shane producing and directing. So I think for we always say for better or worse, you know, it makes it sound like us because you know we have limitations. Were not all studio level people, but you know, like, um, I think that gives us a fingerprint. Yeah, I think it's cool. I mean, and for those that aren't familiar a lot. I'll even say most records, even with bands, they'll bring in specifically trained session players that their life is actually playing you know, these guitar parts or the keys or um. But I always like when when bands will will use their own people as much as possible. Yeah, I do too, because you know, if you use all the same guys that everyone is using, sometimes those tracks start to sound all the same. You ever see the beach boy stuff what they used to do? Um, you know, I've heard some of the behind the scenes stuff. Brian Wilson like he would stay back and then we get the Wrecking Crew and the record play all the songs and they would go out and tour and Brian Wilson just stay back in the studio and you know, it's just making everything up and they have audience and sometimes the beach pots play on the records. You know, they come in and sing, but the records a pretty much be done. They go out and make all the money touring. You know, Brian Wilson's in with all the Wrecking Crew. Do you have seen Wrecking Crew documentary Netflix? I have not seen that? So good. There's a there's another one. Have you ever seen Standing Standing in the Shadows of Motown? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've watched that. I think it's a similar thing, right, have yes? Have you? We're just gonna have you seen um? But uh, I haven't seen hardly anything because your dad before kids. I just never watch anything like well, I don't have a girlfriend's I'm watching everything like, welly can I watch next? There's one that's about the guitar players in bands, like famous guitar players that that maybe you recognize, but and then it just goes through their stories and it's pretty cool. And there's not the background singer one where it's like it's like two ft from stardom or something, which is fantastic. It's so good because it's like they're so close and it's all these humongous acts. There's their background singing, like singing from Michael Jackson and people like that, like Cheryl Crow. Yeah, one of the most famous stories was a legit Michael Jackson background singer, which is crazy. So anyway, are you, like, do you practice still my instrument? Yeah, I mean every day pretty much is practice. Well, not every day, but when we're on the road, I mean we're playing the show. You know, we're doing sound check. I mean we with those songs. I guess you're playing songs you've played over and over, but I guess it keeps your skills up to some level. But you know, I'm also not like a lead guitar player where I'm going to sit there and practice my scales. I think for me, I'm more of a song person. I think ultimately the biggest thing I contribute to the band is the songwriting aspect. So I'm always practicing that. You know, I think every day, what's your favorite song you've you've written that that we would know that it has made the light of day? Um man, it's so hard. Uh. Well, I don't know if this is the light of day necessarily what in a single? But there's a song on a Keith Urban album I wrote called the come Back to Me that he wrote Shane and Brandy Clark. It's just one of my favorite songs. I've ever like to hear a little bit of this one here it is your favorite, you know what, it's my favorite? That's the jam here. Yeah, just the lyric, it's just I think one of the best lyrics written. Um uh is it fuse if the lips that you want to get drunk on? What's the one song of yours that you thought would never really amount to it? Well, that's a weird question because you know you didn't write you don't write them to be discarded. But you're right, and you go, I don't know, let's just put it out there. And then all of a sudden, it's like, well bam, um well, I loved the song so it's not because I didn't like the song, but I met a girl really you know. It was William Michael Martin. William Michael Morgan was a new artist. He didn't I just signed a record deal. And so a lot of those come along where oh, there's this new artist, we're gonna try to cut your song on them, and and you go, oh cool. You know, you're not jumping up and down or anything. You just think that's a cool thing. Um. So for a new artist to come out with a song like that and then it would be on the chart for a year and go all the way to number one, that one, I definitely didn't see that coming. Which one of these did you write and go yep, that's a hit? Um? Better dig two was one. Took a while for it to happen after I wrote it, but yeah, yeah, that was definitely one. Um let me think what else? You know? Um, I would say, uh, a song for another time. I felt like when we wrote that one, we were almost we actually we were done with the album and then we wrote that and we we sound checked it in the stadium one day and I was like, this is a hit. This just feels like a big song. So we went back in and recorded it just for that album and a song we've never heard of that you thought this is gonna be a jam and it wasn't. Um hm, not so many actually a lot of them. You think that, and then you go back and listen. You're like, oh, yeah, it wasn't as good as I thought. But um m hmm was it one of those tire fire songs? H yeah, we have a couple. I will tell you. I go down the rabbit hole sometimes in my iTunes, you know, with all my demos and work tapes, and sometimes pull up the worst song. You know, people go, oh, you guys are such great you every song you write is great, and it's like, no, it's not. I mean like we'll pull them up on the bus sometimes and crack up about how bad some of the songs we've written. Our favorite bang growing up. Um also a very hard question because I loved everything but um in high school, I was a big Faith No More fan, got into you Have Faith No More in Nirvana. Yeah, oh totally, man, But it's funny. I love stuff like that, but then I would love like the super sappy, like slow seventies ballads too, Faith No More and we there was a big Weezer fan in college. Are you still a big Weezer fan? Because I'm still a big How old are you right now? So generally same here, I'm thirty eight, I was, I was. I wear my clear frames on now, but I wear my glasses because of Rivers Cuomo, and I thought, but Rivers and Buddy Holly. I thought, if those two nerds can be cool, like it gave me confidence to be cool. Like I loved Weezer that much and I still love Weezer. Do you still love I do? Actually I went, you know, I went through a phase there for a while where I didn't really check out anything new they were doing. But then a couple of years ago I kind of got back in and you know, you look at a band like that and go I used to just you know, hang on every album, wait until it came out, you know. And so I'm like, I haven't heard any of these albums, and actually, like Pacific Daydream is, like I listened to it, and that's one I'll listen to like all the way through, Like it's one of my favorite Weezer albums. And it was not too long ago they put that out and part of the reason is we don't hang out albums at all anymore, right, which is why your two albums are so good. That I was saying on the earlier of the day, and when I talk on the radio, I imagine nobody hears what I say. I have to or I'll never say anything, so I have to imagine that it doesn't get out. I'm just talking to my friends, or I would just cover everything I say, right, And I was talking about you guys, and I was like, you know what, I think they're my new favorite band. I think the one in my top three because pound for pound, all your songs are good. Like, I don't know that you have it if tomorrow never comes in my heart yet, but there'd have been enough time yet. Well, although One Man Band is the jam, but like right now it's in my it's in my my top ten, but I think it's my Yeah, Like I'm a big, big fan. I really am. I really really appreciate you saying that. It's funny we didn't know when we first came out. We were like, I don't think Bobby likes us. You know, I probably didn't, and not that I didn't like you, but I just didn't know, and I don't want to be false with anyone. Oh yeah, I'm with you ever because I can't lie when I don't like something. It's hard for me to. You would never believe me if I told you I like something. I can't remember if I lie. That's why I don't lie, because I'm I'm dude. I do this, I did show, I do stand up, I'm writing books. If I lie, I just don't remember. Because I would lie, I'd be great lying, I'd be fantastic. I'd lie all the time. But help me, I just can't remember, and so I don't. I mean, I remember you guys would come in and it was not that I didn't like. I didn't know yet, and I don't want you to. I wasn't gonna be lie and be like but now when you guys to come in, I'm like hall of fame. Put him in right now, get him out. That's them. I love it. Yeah I do. I'm huge. But when I hope you know when I say that, I'm from all sincerity like I mean it. I feel I appreciate it that a one man band. Well listen, I can't wait for the record. UM make an interesting story. Faith No more did not expect that. I guess I did. You know, we all come from such diverse backgrounds and it's okay to love every kind of music, and well, I just was a song person. That's why it's hard when you asked that, I'm like, man, it's so hard for me to say because I was more. You know, my my parents didn't have a favorite band. There wasn't one thing we listened to, so I just was a station flipper. So I mean, it's like, it's really hard to say what influenced me everything, did you know? I mean, I grew up in Detroit, so it was like we had Motown, we had great rap and hip hop, we had rock as Detroit rock city. It was like, I just love songs, and I think that's why I gravitated so much to songwriting. And you had Napster, which was a big deal for us because we were the first real group of people to be able to get anything and everything, not based on the region we lived in, based on what our parents had in their collections, not based on what the record store the CD store had, and you know, again based on where you were, they'd stock up on certain things. We had freaking Napster where you would go. I think I'll take every song that starts s then go to sleep every song and you just hit play. I discovered so much music that way. Me too. I actually found an old I was cleaning something out and I found an old found an old burn CD that I had made like fift twenty years ago. I don't remember what it was labeled, but I'm like, oh my god, I used to just stolen from Napster. Stolen from Napster, probably thirty songs on there. Hey, listen, I appreciate it. This, it's it's been a good talk to an hour with you. Um, you know t Rose and forty one on Instagram? Why forty one? By the way, it was my hockey number in college, So it's always been you played hockey in college. Yeah, that's a whole other poet. If I didn't have to go do this American I don't have to go do this American idol hit come on tonight, Um, I would stay to talking about hockey. Yeah, yeah, well next I'll come back sometimes. All right. There at episode one sixty seven of the Bobby Cast from Old Dominion, and uh, well, thank you very much for having me appreciate it. Man. All right, well we'll see we are the one to losers. What up, um lunch box? And I know the most about sports. I'll give the sports facts my sports opinions, because I'm pretty much a sports genius. Hey, and I'm Eddie, and I know the least about sports. I'm your average sports fan, your sports watcher. I just don't know the who's who's or the what's what's? What's up? I'm Ray, I'm from the North. I'm an alpha male, a Yankee. I love ice fishing. And if you go to a bar and you see a guy shotgun in a beer, that's probably me and together we are the Sore Losers. We love to talk about sports, even though we're not right all the time. Check out our podcast, The Sore Losers on I Heart Radio or subscribe wherever you get podcasts.