Talking with Lindsay Ell About Shut Downs, Being A Girl Guitar Player and the Grinder App

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<v Speaker 5>On, started missing me so bad, saying maybe we should
<v Speaker 5>try again, try to get her right again, saying do
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<v Speaker 5>And honestly I get where you're coming.
<v Speaker 1>From, cuz you.
<v Speaker 3>I miss my kid.
<v Speaker 1>Man, keeping you up my night, Sha. That sounds like
<v Speaker 1>a big song.
<v Speaker 2>It sounds amazing to hear another female singing.
<v Speaker 1>To hear another female singing.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, really it does.
<v Speaker 1>Have you not heard have you not heard a whole
<v Speaker 1>lot of females sing?
<v Speaker 2>Not as of late? No, Well, I get sucked into
<v Speaker 2>your rock and roll and your all that that jazz.
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean sucked into my rock and roll?
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<v Speaker 1>To hear girls. Well, you know our guest is probably
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<v Speaker 3>This is very true. This is such a true. I
<v Speaker 3>get both of.
<v Speaker 1>You, y'all, please make it. Welcome our friend Lindsey Ell
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast. Lindsay, how are you?
<v Speaker 4>I'm so good. It's so good to see you both.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like it's been forever.
<v Speaker 2>I know. I was just thinking about the last time
<v Speaker 2>that we were really able to like just chill and
<v Speaker 2>hang out. Sorry, this's our dog barking.
<v Speaker 1>You gotta hear some of that.
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. Mine is probably going to bark at some
<v Speaker 3>Amazon driver as well.
<v Speaker 2>So and at some point I want to see him
<v Speaker 2>or isn't him her or her?
<v Speaker 4>I know it's a girl, but her name is Hendrix,
<v Speaker 4>so a lot of people are like, I think it's.
<v Speaker 1>Of course her name is Hendricks.
<v Speaker 3>I'd been her before we get off. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I needed to name after my favorite guitar player. Guys,
<v Speaker 4>it was just sort of something that needed to happen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's perfect. So yeah, the last time that we
<v Speaker 2>were able to really hang out and just chill has
<v Speaker 2>been probably gosh, nine years ago or something ten years
<v Speaker 2>ago when we were in the Bahamas.
<v Speaker 3>That's so crazy. I can't believe it's been that long.
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, I mean, we've seen each other in
<v Speaker 2>passing and it shows and stuff, but not able to
<v Speaker 2>just hang out and talk and and visit. So this
<v Speaker 2>is awesome.
<v Speaker 1>This is as close as we're going to get this year.
<v Speaker 1>Probably it sucks.
<v Speaker 3>That's a weird year, guys.
<v Speaker 4>And at the same time, I mean, I feel like
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty has given us all such a gift of
<v Speaker 4>perspect that as artists maybe we wouldn't have gotten because
<v Speaker 4>we're all just so moving so fast all the time.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's definitely been it's definitely been a weird year.
<v Speaker 1>What has been the most introspective thing that you've dealt with.
<v Speaker 2>During our time off?
<v Speaker 3>Probably you know.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you guys know this as well, Like you
<v Speaker 4>are extremely hard workers, so I know I'm just preaching
<v Speaker 4>to the choir. But like in twenty nineteen, we played
<v Speaker 4>two hundred and thirty five shows and we're on the
<v Speaker 4>road two hundred and eighty days, and so it was
<v Speaker 4>just it was go, go, go, go, go, go go all
<v Speaker 4>the time. And then to go from I mean, I
<v Speaker 4>remember we were playing a show in Berlin and Amstam
<v Speaker 4>got off the plane and then the world got locked
<v Speaker 4>down and I was going eighty miles an hour down
<v Speaker 4>to nothing, and I live alone and did not have
<v Speaker 4>a dog at that time. And so to go from
<v Speaker 4>like two hundred and eighty days on the road a
<v Speaker 4>year to sitting in a house by myself in four
<v Speaker 4>walls it was just like the two extremes. And and
<v Speaker 4>yet I think, you know, last year, I've really got
<v Speaker 4>to reassess my priorities. And although I love my job
<v Speaker 4>so much and I am so grateful that, you know,
<v Speaker 4>we get to wake up every morning and do what
<v Speaker 4>we love for a living, and I will never take
<v Speaker 4>that for granted.
<v Speaker 1>You'll do that at some point, You'll take it for
<v Speaker 1>grant again.
<v Speaker 3>That's true. That's true.
<v Speaker 4>That's that's your we It's it's always a process. But
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, just moments of the past year. I'm like, man,
<v Speaker 4>when all of these cool things have happened, not having
<v Speaker 4>somebody to share it with is like has hit me
<v Speaker 4>so hard pecifically in the past year, you know, And
<v Speaker 4>probably it's just because, like I know, it's hashtag first
<v Speaker 4>world problems and as like the frontline workers are working
<v Speaker 4>twenty four to seven and people are losing loved ones
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, guys, I'm all alone in a house.
<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, everybody has their own things
<v Speaker 4>that they're dealing with, and it really hit me hard.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, man, I work so much that I
<v Speaker 4>like shut everyone out, and even like at times when
<v Speaker 4>I've been in relationships like my job has still been
<v Speaker 4>my priority, right, and I think there's like always a
<v Speaker 4>healthy work life balance. And you guys seem to manage
<v Speaker 4>that amazingly.
<v Speaker 1>And you don't have any ideas.
<v Speaker 3>Teach me all your secrets.
<v Speaker 1>Where you fight. The key is fighting continuously, got it,
<v Speaker 1>And you have to be in a duo. So if
<v Speaker 1>you break up, you know you're not gonna make any
<v Speaker 1>more money. That's that's the key to a successful Thompson
<v Speaker 1>Square common type of marriage.
<v Speaker 2>Now. The thing that we found is we thought we
<v Speaker 2>were prepared for something like this because we work together.
<v Speaker 2>We're with each other twenty four to seven. But it
<v Speaker 2>is a whole different dynamic when you're not working, when
<v Speaker 2>you're not on a bus with twelve other people and
<v Speaker 2>it's just down to me and him and that's it.
<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't know how to be Honestly, it sounds weird,
<v Speaker 1>but we don't know how to be just the two
<v Speaker 1>of us very well. We're not great at that. I
<v Speaker 1>think we're really good at that. For a certain amount
<v Speaker 1>of time.
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe you.
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 3>I look at you, guys, and I'm like, you've been
<v Speaker 3>married for a while.
<v Speaker 4>You have a beautiful child, and like you have survived
<v Speaker 4>a pandemic and have been in a duo this long.
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't buy that one bit, but.
<v Speaker 1>It is true to a certain extent. I mean I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to. I mean I want to be transparent,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I don't want people think, oh, they've
<v Speaker 1>got the perfect marriage. And I mean it's good, but
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like here lately especially and I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if it's just like.
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<v Speaker 1>Stress of the new new deal and new music and we.
<v Speaker 3>Just got out of congrats by the way, Oh thank.
<v Speaker 1>You very much, and really the come it's been it's
<v Speaker 1>been a whirlwind for everybody, you know, but the stress
<v Speaker 1>of a marriage on top of all that other stuff
<v Speaker 1>is it's pretty intense, you know. And I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>We just we've kind of been at each other here
<v Speaker 1>lately and I don't know why. I don't really understand.
<v Speaker 1>And I hate it, honestly. I absolutely hate fighting. I
<v Speaker 1>hate it. I hate it. I hate it, and I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to ever fight ever again. And then we
<v Speaker 1>do it again. So it's just it's weird. So there's
<v Speaker 1>there's both sides.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I think it's because we both need
<v Speaker 2>our own space. Like I feel like when we've been
<v Speaker 2>on the road, like you would be in guitar world,
<v Speaker 2>like you'd go out sound check and you do set
<v Speaker 2>your guitar up and stuff like that, and I would
<v Speaker 2>do my thing, whatever that might be being with Cooper,
<v Speaker 2>spending time with Cooper. I think because we're here and
<v Speaker 2>we're stuck here, you know what. I think that's what
<v Speaker 2>it is. Like I went and have my nails done
<v Speaker 2>for the first time, and I don't know how.
<v Speaker 3>Many compliment them.
<v Speaker 2>They look amazing, thank you, But it was just nice
<v Speaker 2>to just go do something that was not Cooper. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and not music, not work, just something you know, just for.
<v Speaker 3>You, just for me.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I think it's so selfish and healthy to hash out
<v Speaker 4>that time, you know, and it's and I can I mean,
<v Speaker 4>having a dog is enough of a schedule to keep it.
<v Speaker 3>I can't even imagine having a mini human to take
<v Speaker 3>care of with a schedule.
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm like, I have to wake up and take
<v Speaker 4>her for a walk and feed her. But I can still,
<v Speaker 4>like put her in a crate for a few hours.
<v Speaker 4>But you can't do that with the kids.
<v Speaker 1>No, you can't. You can if it's a big enough
<v Speaker 1>create you just put water in there.
<v Speaker 3>Water and pray and the figure whatever.
<v Speaker 1>So what so you said, you know, during the pandemic,
<v Speaker 1>I say during the like it's already passed. It's like
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty point two. Now it's good. It's it's really
<v Speaker 1>feels good that. I'm sure you're seeing shows start to
<v Speaker 1>open up. I see your calendar, You're starting to post
<v Speaker 1>some shows and everything on your on your social media.
<v Speaker 1>What was it the one thing that you missed? It?
<v Speaker 1>Was it having someone there with you? Was that the
<v Speaker 1>worst part about it, like just being isolated? I mean,
<v Speaker 1>were you dating anybody at all. During the time, she
<v Speaker 1>was saying, no, I know, but just I didn't know
<v Speaker 1>if you I didn't know if she was like dating someone.
<v Speaker 1>But then they started dating and no, there's too scared
<v Speaker 1>to come back together to get you know, COVID or whatever,
<v Speaker 1>but just FaceTime or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's just like there's so much more that goes
<v Speaker 4>all goes into it. Yeah, so at the beginning of
<v Speaker 4>the pandemic, I wasn't dating anybody. I dated somebody briefly
<v Speaker 4>for like five months last year.
<v Speaker 1>What happened?
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, how long is this podcast?
<v Speaker 1>As long as you want, girl? Okay, perfect, I got.
<v Speaker 1>I got a big old, huge hard drive over here.
<v Speaker 3>Just I love it.
<v Speaker 1>I love it.
<v Speaker 4>He was so sweet and honestly, it was like, it's crazy,
<v Speaker 4>how I mean, I think I know your guys's faith,
<v Speaker 4>but it's crazy, like sometimes the best answered prayers come
<v Speaker 4>at the best times, and.
<v Speaker 7>Well we're atheists, so which, okay, perfect, perfect, great, it's
<v Speaker 7>all good.
<v Speaker 4>Universe then calls in exactly what you need to hear
<v Speaker 4>or your life when you're when you're needing it, and yeah,
<v Speaker 4>he he came into my life at the absolute perfect
<v Speaker 4>time and and opened my eyes to like, I don't know,
<v Speaker 4>really slowing down and appreciating things and it.
<v Speaker 3>And I was already.
<v Speaker 4>Kind of feeling a lot of that. So it was
<v Speaker 4>just really interesting how he came into my life. And
<v Speaker 4>then ultimately, you know, he was traveling around and and
<v Speaker 4>and I was. I was sort of stationed here and
<v Speaker 4>it just turned out that we wanted different things.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, so we ended up breaking up.
<v Speaker 4>But then I was definitely guilty of break up with
<v Speaker 4>your boyfriend and get a dog.
<v Speaker 3>Because really he actually.
<v Speaker 4>Had his dog and brought it to Nashville, and I
<v Speaker 4>just got used to having a dog around the house.
<v Speaker 4>And I grew up with dogs all my life, and
<v Speaker 4>I was like, man, I really miss having just life
<v Speaker 4>when you wake up in the morning and that energy
<v Speaker 4>running around. And so I always wanted to rescue one.
<v Speaker 4>And so right before Christmas, I rescued this little palm
<v Speaker 4>chee and yeah, I'll so I'll show her you guys, please.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're huge dog lovers.
<v Speaker 2>We have three now, we gained one.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, you were a three.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Through the pandemic.
<v Speaker 1>We Sean wanted a big dog and she's like, I
<v Speaker 1>want a big dog. We had the two. Yeah, he's
<v Speaker 1>going I kicked the amount. He was too he was
<v Speaker 1>too yappy. But yeah, she wanted a big dog and
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, it's either another kid or another dog,
<v Speaker 1>and so I took some measures and we got a dog.
<v Speaker 8>Great.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so decision.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's awesome. But it's a lot, a lot.
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot for three dogs and a kid.
<v Speaker 2>We're definitely out there a lot.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a lot.
<v Speaker 3>That's a full full family there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So you just had a show, right, you just played
<v Speaker 2>it a Marathon Music Works.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, guys, we played Chad Nougat on Friday and then yeah,
<v Speaker 4>Marathon Music Works. It was socially distanced, but was it
<v Speaker 4>sold it out and it was amazing.
<v Speaker 3>It felt so good.
<v Speaker 4>I was like, guys, I don't even care if three
<v Speaker 4>people show up. And I was booked for a solo
<v Speaker 4>stick show and yet I called all my band and
<v Speaker 4>I was like, hey, guys, if I throw you a
<v Speaker 4>little bit of money, like a little bit of money,
<v Speaker 4>because we're gonna pay that much, would you just want
<v Speaker 4>to come down and play? And all of them are
<v Speaker 4>like yell, and see, we'd pay to play a show, right,
<v Speaker 4>now and.
<v Speaker 3>So I had like a six piece band. It was
<v Speaker 3>so fun.
<v Speaker 4>We played my record front to back, and guys, I mean,
<v Speaker 4>you know what this is like like, especially being artists
<v Speaker 4>and not playing a real show in over a year.
<v Speaker 8>There's like a.
<v Speaker 3>Part of you that like feeds off.
<v Speaker 4>Of that energy from that crowd and even that validation
<v Speaker 4>as a human being that if you aren't fully healthy
<v Speaker 4>and who really fully is in every area of your life,
<v Speaker 4>like you just feel that void in a lot of ways.
<v Speaker 4>And so it was amazing to just get to play
<v Speaker 4>a show and get to see like the love from
<v Speaker 4>fans only loving like the singles off this record, but
<v Speaker 4>loving like track eight and track nine and singing along
<v Speaker 4>and just happy to be there.
<v Speaker 3>And it was a really good night.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. So were they actually socially distanced though at
<v Speaker 1>the show or is that just something I said we
<v Speaker 1>do some shows. Was like, oh, it's going to be
<v Speaker 1>socially distance. I know, I know what is happening.
<v Speaker 4>Pictures in Florida, and it's like socially distanced. And then
<v Speaker 4>it's like it looks normal, it.
<v Speaker 3>Looks twenty nineteen.
<v Speaker 4>I kind of like that they were totally socially distanced
<v Speaker 4>actually like that the health department were there making sure
<v Speaker 4>that everything was caculated, like.
<v Speaker 3>Marathon doesn't mess around.
<v Speaker 4>They were like groups of you could only buy groups
<v Speaker 4>of like four tickets and then you know, if they
<v Speaker 4>had been at a table, split them up, yeah, with
<v Speaker 4>your own people. And so they had tables and then
<v Speaker 4>they had like chairs too, but they were spaced out
<v Speaker 4>like groups of four or like little groups of two.
<v Speaker 3>And then there was this big orange line taped.
<v Speaker 4>On stage and it was called the COVID line, and
<v Speaker 4>I was not allowed to cross it.
<v Speaker 3>And because they were like the.
<v Speaker 4>Performers on stage need to be fifteen feet away from
<v Speaker 4>the first row.
<v Speaker 3>I guess that's just the rules and regular and so
<v Speaker 3>I felt.
<v Speaker 1>The projection of your spit, I guess.
<v Speaker 3>So who knows. Or they were like you can't throw
<v Speaker 3>guitar picks out and and so I just away from.
<v Speaker 1>Someone's gonna catch it.
<v Speaker 3>They don't care, right right, come on, yeah exactly.
<v Speaker 4>But so apart from those few little rules, it was
<v Speaker 4>it was kind of normal.
<v Speaker 1>That's great, Yeah, I love it. Well, we've had a
<v Speaker 1>few and the shows are starting to come in, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and it's it is, it's it's kind of. It's kind
<v Speaker 1>of weird because I'm not nervous, but I'm like, do
<v Speaker 1>I remember how to do this? Because I mean it's
<v Speaker 1>been like this.
<v Speaker 2>Did you rehearse during your time off?
<v Speaker 4>We know?
<v Speaker 3>Of course, what are you rehearsing?
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, I will say this. I watched they
<v Speaker 2>did something on Sunday morning about Tony Bennett and he's
<v Speaker 2>just recently been diagnosed with dementia, and he said to
<v Speaker 2>stay healthy as he can. He's been having his piano
<v Speaker 2>player come over and they rehearse like two or three
<v Speaker 2>times a week.
<v Speaker 3>Amazing.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, I feel like we should be
<v Speaker 2>rehearsing like in this time off, so we don't.
<v Speaker 1>Do you have dementia? I don't know, So we don't forget.
<v Speaker 2>It's like you gonna keep working that muscle, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know we've had you know, well, writing has
<v Speaker 1>been like on point like for the like last six fourteen,
<v Speaker 1>thirteen months whatever, just because that's all that's all I
<v Speaker 1>can do, you know. And And so we sit here
<v Speaker 1>and and I've been trying to figure I'm trying to
<v Speaker 1>get as you good as you at track and all
<v Speaker 1>this other stuff, because I know you're I know you're
<v Speaker 1>like a nerdy guy when it comes to like.
<v Speaker 3>Gear, a nerdy guy. That's a very good way to
<v Speaker 3>describe me.
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you get tired of hearing because I
<v Speaker 1>know you hear it, because I hear it. I know
<v Speaker 1>you get tired of hearing it. Well, she she plays
<v Speaker 1>good for a girl, or she's a good girl guitar player.
<v Speaker 1>How how pissed off does that make you? Because you're
<v Speaker 1>not a good guitar You're not a good guitar girl
<v Speaker 1>guitar player. You're just a great guitar player. So it's
<v Speaker 1>got to be like son, And I know you can't
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, oh yeah, thanks, But inside you're going look,
<v Speaker 1>there's a huge middle finger just boiling up into your
<v Speaker 1>chest and it's coming up your hands and you just
<v Speaker 1>want to just big, huge Nashville predator's foam middle finger
<v Speaker 1>to this.
<v Speaker 4>You know, at the end of the day, when people
<v Speaker 4>say that, I take it as a compliment, just that
<v Speaker 4>they're recognizing that, oh, yes, she doesn't play guitar like
<v Speaker 4>most other girls we.
<v Speaker 1>See out there, and it's not all downstrokes.
<v Speaker 4>The fact that they're I know, right, the fact that
<v Speaker 4>they're recognizing that I'll take it, you know, yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>definitely do hear that. But I mean it's just like
<v Speaker 4>the problem with not enough girls being played.
<v Speaker 3>On the radio.
<v Speaker 4>It's just like a ratio thing. So there's they're just
<v Speaker 4>not used to seeing girls play a lead instrument in
<v Speaker 4>a band in an insulting way.
<v Speaker 8>You know.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's more just like, oh, wow, you're different, and
<v Speaker 4>so I'm just like, thank you.
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird to me. Why don't why don't we
<v Speaker 2>see more girls?
<v Speaker 1>I don't, Well, you guys, Lindsay could probably answer that.
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think that's a natural progression for a
<v Speaker 1>female to gravitate towards. And it's no, it's not not
<v Speaker 1>being sexist. I'm just being real. It's like, I mean
<v Speaker 1>all the like going up in high school and going
<v Speaker 1>through college, like I knew a million guy guitar players,
<v Speaker 1>not on one female. It's just not something that it's
<v Speaker 1>really odd.
<v Speaker 2>I will say this though, since social media has become
<v Speaker 2>a thing, you do see more girls.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, you totally do.
<v Speaker 1>Seem like, wow, is she so hot? And she plays
<v Speaker 1>holy crack, oh she's thirteen.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean you definitely like with TikTok and Instagram
<v Speaker 4>and all the things. You definitely are seeing more girls
<v Speaker 4>who are like, hey, yeah, I can have long hair
<v Speaker 4>and put on makeup and play good guitar too.
<v Speaker 1>It's weird, it's but it's an odd thing. I'll just
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, it's an odd thing to
<v Speaker 1>see a girl play guitar on stage that doesn't know
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. It's very odd.
<v Speaker 2>That's the reason why I don't try to play. But
<v Speaker 2>on stage, I feel like I look slicks for it.
<v Speaker 2>You look like one of those girls a guitar. Keifer
<v Speaker 2>looks odd without a guitar and looks.
<v Speaker 1>Odd without it. You know, she just looks odd.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I feel love. It's weird, though I
<v Speaker 4>kind of look weird without a guitar. I'm like, what
<v Speaker 4>do you do with your hands? Because I'm just so
<v Speaker 4>used to I mean, ever been performing since I was
<v Speaker 4>ten years.
<v Speaker 3>Old with one.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's it's weird. Oh but she plays,
<v Speaker 1>but you play. She like you're not here, but you
<v Speaker 1>play with your whole body. And that's how a guitar
<v Speaker 1>player is supposed to. It's supposed to resonate throughout your
<v Speaker 1>entire being. And and I think a lot of times
<v Speaker 1>when a girl will have a guitar on, it's they're
<v Speaker 1>very erect and it's very stiff, and it's just every
<v Speaker 1>song has the same rhythmic pattern and it's just odd.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, hon, just just put it down. Don't
<v Speaker 1>do that, because it doesn't look natural and it looks
<v Speaker 1>like you're not having fun, right you look like I mean,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you're gonna have bad, bad problems with
<v Speaker 1>your knees and you're back later on in life because
<v Speaker 1>you're laying down I already do.
<v Speaker 3>My back does not feel like my age.
<v Speaker 4>But but yeah, I mean, my favorite guitar players are
<v Speaker 4>like like, for instance, when you watch Keith play, it's
<v Speaker 4>like he does this like shoulder thing and he just
<v Speaker 4>makes it like like he's dancing with his guitar the
<v Speaker 4>whole time, and I just I love watching Keith play.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, one of my favorite guitar players is this
<v Speaker 4>guy my name of Tommy Manuel, and he's like this
<v Speaker 4>acousa guitar player from Australia and he like dances while
<v Speaker 4>he plays. And when I was little, I would just
<v Speaker 4>watch Tommy play guitar and I was like, that is
<v Speaker 4>the coolest thing.
<v Speaker 3>Ever, and so I'm with you.
<v Speaker 4>It's like the guitar becomes like another appendage off your
<v Speaker 4>body and you just sort of move with it.
<v Speaker 1>It's weird. Did you said, Tommy Emmanuel, do you have.
<v Speaker 3>Something that I love it? Wow?
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, that is the cutest thing ever. You
<v Speaker 4>guys can't see. But okay, who is this Benson?
<v Speaker 1>Everybody? I'll chop this piece of the video? Put it up.
<v Speaker 3>He is, He's ready to play.
<v Speaker 1>He's a puppy too. He's a puppy.
<v Speaker 3>He's a puppy. How big is he going to get?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He's already sixty. You don't he's sixty
<v Speaker 1>pounds of a year.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just turned a year old.
<v Speaker 3>So dang, that's that's a lot of growth.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I was. I was saying about Tommy h
<v Speaker 1>Of course I knew who he was, but we were
<v Speaker 1>in Boston, and I'm this is kind of a weird story,
<v Speaker 1>but I was a guitar stinger trying to find a
<v Speaker 1>d I because I left mine at home and there
<v Speaker 1>was this nice guy there and he's from Okay, I
<v Speaker 1>don't I'm going to mess up as he's he's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be so mad if he hears this. But he was
<v Speaker 1>from like a small like European country. It was like
<v Speaker 1>something stand you know, something, something saying okay okay, and
<v Speaker 1>uh Nick, I hate that. But he was so nice
<v Speaker 1>and gracious and he goes, he goes. He was just
<v Speaker 1>he said, what are you looking for? What do well
<v Speaker 1>I need to do? I was like, well, I have one.
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm playing tonight, you know, at this bar,
<v Speaker 1>and you you know, He's like, bring it. And Tommy
<v Speaker 1>I said all that because he was in a place
<v Speaker 1>where you can't get out of and he was trying
<v Speaker 1>to get in to school in Boston to play music
<v Speaker 1>and all these things. And Tommy actually took it upon
<v Speaker 1>himself to nominate this kid and got changed his life
<v Speaker 1>and brought him over person. I am, yes, Art, thanks
<v Speaker 1>for thanks for making me try.
<v Speaker 2>To look stupid. No, I'm just making sure she's going
<v Speaker 2>to google that right now.
<v Speaker 3>I am quality check.
<v Speaker 9>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>That is so awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, he's but he's amazing and and and so
<v Speaker 1>is Nick. He's a he's a he's a freak of
<v Speaker 1>nature guitar player. You know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah it is.
<v Speaker 1>You are checking up on me, aren't you.
<v Speaker 3>I love this fact checking system. See, this is why
<v Speaker 3>you guys are so good for each other.
<v Speaker 1>So you said something earlier, and I don't I don't
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you questions that everyone else always ask you.
<v Speaker 1>You know, and and uh, because I know, why did
<v Speaker 1>you get start any all that stuff? I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to do that. But like, so, when you said there's
<v Speaker 1>not enough women being played on the radio and there's
<v Speaker 1>not enough of this, and there's not enough of this,
<v Speaker 1>and there's not enough of this, what do you do
<v Speaker 1>you think that there are female artists right now that
<v Speaker 1>aren't getting played that are amazing, that are good enough
<v Speaker 1>because of what I and I say that I want
<v Speaker 1>to preface that with with this. I want to make
<v Speaker 1>sure that there's there's amazing girl artists out there, obviously,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to hear a girl artist played
<v Speaker 1>on the radio or a boy artist played on the
<v Speaker 1>radio for the wrong reasons. They have to have great
<v Speaker 1>music and they have to be a great artist. One
<v Speaker 1>hundred do you do you see the overcorrection a little
<v Speaker 1>bit in that in that world right now? You don't
<v Speaker 1>have to name names, but is any is any of
<v Speaker 1>that going on in your in your world that I
<v Speaker 1>don't have. I'm not privy too.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think there will always be a little
<v Speaker 4>bit of overcorrection anytime a ratio is uneven, you know,
<v Speaker 4>and that's just part of navigating through it. And you know,
<v Speaker 4>I always do believe though, that the cream rises to
<v Speaker 4>the top and regardless of you know, some some artists
<v Speaker 4>and some people can get lucky breaks here and there.
<v Speaker 4>But if you are really dedicated to this, you know,
<v Speaker 4>like we have been in this business for so long,
<v Speaker 4>and if you are passionate and dedicated to it, you're
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be the ones who survive.
<v Speaker 3>You know, You're not always going to get the lucky breaks,
<v Speaker 3>and so.
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna be tested like how bad do you want this?
<v Speaker 4>And I think that you know, some artists that we
<v Speaker 4>see that is the cutest thing ever thence and for
<v Speaker 4>those of you who do not see this video has
<v Speaker 4>his pause on the back of keifer shoulder and it's
<v Speaker 4>just like licking Shanna's face. You guys are like one
<v Speaker 4>happy family. This should be like an ad.
<v Speaker 1>This is my little studio in here, and like when
<v Speaker 1>I'm riding or whatever else and doing zoom rights, he's
<v Speaker 1>just he's hugging me from behind. Like, so I love it,
<v Speaker 1>but he's like, as a dude, I have to work.
<v Speaker 1>I have to work.
<v Speaker 7>No.
<v Speaker 1>I hope that didn't sound insensitive, But I know, as
<v Speaker 1>an artist, as good as you are, you're a great writer,
<v Speaker 1>you're a great player, you great at everything. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure that you see and we all see certain people
<v Speaker 1>maybe get the hat tipped in their favor or whatever else,
<v Speaker 1>just for no other reason except for the ratio problem, yep.
<v Speaker 1>And it drives me freaking crazy. Not for myself necessarily,
<v Speaker 1>but I mean there's a lot of other great artists
<v Speaker 1>out there that are awesome. And if you have a
<v Speaker 1>great guy artist and you have a terrible female artist,
<v Speaker 1>but we gotta put another female in there, and they
<v Speaker 1>get that, that seems a little bit not justified to me.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but you're going to see, like you know, injustice
<v Speaker 4>on either side of it, you're also going to see like,
<v Speaker 4>not that great of a dude artist, you a break.
<v Speaker 1>For what I want her to burn the guys down,
<v Speaker 1>let's go.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm just saying like either side any industry or
<v Speaker 4>not just the music industry, but you're gonna see like
<v Speaker 4>people who don't deserve certain jobs get jobs and you're like, well,
<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, I know I can do whatever that
<v Speaker 4>job is ten times better than they did.
<v Speaker 3>Why did they get that job? But I think that's
<v Speaker 3>just part of life.
<v Speaker 4>It's like people are good to get shots that they
<v Speaker 4>don't necessarily deserve when you know that you can.
<v Speaker 3>Do it better than them. But I think it's just
<v Speaker 3>like survival of the fittest.
<v Speaker 4>It's like Darwinism and it's finest and if anything, I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>all right, I'll show you.
<v Speaker 3>I will rise to the tide.
<v Speaker 4>And and maybe it's just like I'm one like the
<v Speaker 4>ultimate optimist, which drives me flipping crazy sometimes, but but
<v Speaker 4>I just feel like, Okay, if I haven't learned enough
<v Speaker 4>to get to this point or to have that like
<v Speaker 4>big break, then all right, test me. What else do
<v Speaker 4>I need to learn? What song do I need to
<v Speaker 4>write next? What do I need to do? Like I'm
<v Speaker 4>just constantly always asking that question, knowing that I'm just
<v Speaker 4>going to be bettering myself and bettering my show and
<v Speaker 4>getting the band tighter, and hopefully when the timing is right,
<v Speaker 4>when all of the ducks do align, I'm going to
<v Speaker 4>be better than I ever have been.
<v Speaker 1>Right, did you learn that lesson? In last year how
<v Speaker 1>to Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>I mean last year that like really really clicked in
<v Speaker 4>because I you know, I wrote a record that took
<v Speaker 4>me the better part of three years, Like you guys
<v Speaker 4>know records, especially when you really put like blood, sweat
<v Speaker 4>and tears into certain projects. And so it was like
<v Speaker 4>going to be the album, and we had all this
<v Speaker 4>cool stuff planned around the release, and then COVID hit
<v Speaker 4>and we were like, uh, okay, And thankfully we released
<v Speaker 4>it in August, so it wasn't like one of the
<v Speaker 4>really really early Quarantine projects, but it was still like
<v Speaker 4>this is done, and so we couldn't do half of
<v Speaker 4>the stuff that we had planned, but we still released it.
<v Speaker 4>And it was so heartbreaking to like release something in
<v Speaker 4>the middle of a global pandemic when you couldn't fly anywhere.
<v Speaker 4>You know, you could still do press like we all
<v Speaker 4>have been doing from our homes, but it's just not
<v Speaker 4>exactly the same. And as an artist to not be
<v Speaker 4>able to tour a record, it feels like we can't
<v Speaker 4>bring it to life in the same way. And so
<v Speaker 4>that was a huge lesson of like, Okay, this album
<v Speaker 4>that I thought was going to be like this beautiful
<v Speaker 4>moment in so many ways it felt so stifled, and
<v Speaker 4>then it caused me to be like, Okay, now what
<v Speaker 4>I know which which to fans, I mean, we're so
<v Speaker 4>inside of our own world. Like to fans, I know that,
<v Speaker 4>you know, they listen to things and listen to things
<v Speaker 4>digitally now and and a lot of fans have just
<v Speaker 4>been so sweet and endearing about this music. And like
<v Speaker 4>I even saw at our show in Nashville on Saturday,
<v Speaker 4>our Socially Distant show, I'll put.
<v Speaker 3>Like, people loved it and they really did listen to
<v Speaker 3>this record.
<v Speaker 4>And so sometimes I think, at least I get in
<v Speaker 4>my own head about that too much.
<v Speaker 2>But topic it was, I feel like it was perfect
<v Speaker 2>for the time that we were going through, you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It was like exactly what everybody needed
<v Speaker 2>to hear.
<v Speaker 4>It was definitely a record that I wrote like navigating
<v Speaker 4>through heartbreak, but I wrote it to like help people
<v Speaker 4>navigate through whatever they're navigating through, you know, whether it's
<v Speaker 4>going through global pandemic or losing loved ones or losing jobs.
<v Speaker 4>And it was sort of like that that transformation. And
<v Speaker 4>I wrote the record in order as a concept album
<v Speaker 4>so people could listen to it top to bottom and
<v Speaker 4>like hear my process going from like a place of
<v Speaker 4>shock to a place of acceptance. Finally at the end
<v Speaker 4>of it, well.
<v Speaker 1>Did you so it took you three years to write
<v Speaker 1>the record? When you go out and tour a record personally,
<v Speaker 1>do you go out and do the album from talk
<v Speaker 1>to bottom? Is that kind of what you're about to do?
<v Speaker 1>Do you like to pepper in some of the other
<v Speaker 1>songs are more familiar? How do you? How do you? Normally?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know you probably want to just go
<v Speaker 1>play and play the entire record all the way down,
<v Speaker 1>But you know, fans don't listen to it like that.
<v Speaker 3>Fans don't listen to it like that.
<v Speaker 4>No funny you say that, because the shows we played
<v Speaker 4>last weekend and we have two more club shows coming
<v Speaker 4>up this weekend, we are playing the record friend to
<v Speaker 4>back because I'm like.
<v Speaker 3>These are our first shows back and there are no
<v Speaker 3>rules and.
<v Speaker 4>Our set is sort of undefined whatever we want, and
<v Speaker 4>so I'm like, we're playing the record friend to back.
<v Speaker 4>We're just making a thing of it, and fans are
<v Speaker 4>buying tickets and to see like a once in a
<v Speaker 4>time or shot show. But yeah, when we get back
<v Speaker 4>into the click of things, we won't be playing the
<v Speaker 4>record front to back because it just it doesn't make
<v Speaker 4>sense to do that, and we'll have to cover in
<v Speaker 4>different things. But but we probably will start our set
<v Speaker 4>with the first song on the record and end our
<v Speaker 4>set with the last song on the record, So it
<v Speaker 4>will like symbolically like cross a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love that. I don't know, I just
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't wait to see our band again.
<v Speaker 1>All we've done for two years is acoustics shows and
<v Speaker 1>virtual shows, and we have a couple of things coming
<v Speaker 1>up and I'm like, hey, you guys, are you guys available?
<v Speaker 1>It's like, are you guys available to do these? And
<v Speaker 1>they're like yes, yes, you know, I just can't.
<v Speaker 2>Crazy because they've had to get other jobs, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like Amazon, Uber driving. You know, it's been really sad. Construction.
<v Speaker 4>My front of house started cleaning pools last summer. It's
<v Speaker 4>really sad. And it's also kudos to each and every
<v Speaker 4>one of them for just making things work, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you know the lazy musician that everyone calls us,
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's forced everybody to go, okay, what else?
<v Speaker 1>This is not going to go away soon? So I've
<v Speaker 1>got to go do something else because you know what
<v Speaker 1>was funny is Seana was online and there was a
<v Speaker 1>list of like the top five most essential jobs, least
<v Speaker 1>essential jobs. Artist number one. Oh my god, artist was
<v Speaker 1>number one. Yes, I am totally.
<v Speaker 3>Serious that that was.
<v Speaker 2>That's been the hardest thing for me through this whole pandemic,
<v Speaker 2>is like it made me realize like how non essential
<v Speaker 2>we are, and I feel like I need to do
<v Speaker 2>something that means more. I don't know, It's just like
<v Speaker 2>ke for the other day, he was like, why don't
<v Speaker 2>we What was it? We were in the car driving
<v Speaker 2>down the road and you were like, we should a
<v Speaker 2>volunteer and like to join the Peace Corps.
<v Speaker 1>Just did the freaking Peace Corps for a year. Let
<v Speaker 1>me just disappear, go write a record in some third
<v Speaker 1>world country, you know, in a mosquito in a mosquito net.
<v Speaker 1>That might be kind of cool.
<v Speaker 3>You want to go, guys, That is like a story
<v Speaker 3>and a half.
<v Speaker 1>My goodness, I really do want to do some stuff. No,
<v Speaker 1>I get it. I get it well. But the thing
<v Speaker 1>of it is that you're saying that you think there's
<v Speaker 1>there's that much value to what we do. But that's
<v Speaker 1>us talking because if We see it every day in
<v Speaker 1>the comments on social media, the cameo request, all these
<v Speaker 1>different things of how important our music is to people,
<v Speaker 1>you know. So it's like, because not everybody can do this,
<v Speaker 1>not everybody can sit.
<v Speaker 4>There's like a healing power to music that is so
<v Speaker 4>overlooked sometimes and we all don't realize how much we
<v Speaker 4>truly lean into music when times get rough, I mean whenever.
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<v Speaker 3>Navigating through anything, The first thing I do is like
<v Speaker 3>put on a record that I really really love.
<v Speaker 4>And it's like music is therapy, whether you're writing it,
<v Speaker 4>whether you're listening to it, or you're singing it, it's
<v Speaker 4>therapy to all of us. And it's like this universal
<v Speaker 4>language that connects us together. And so, Shauna, I will
<v Speaker 4>take that, and I will also say that what you
<v Speaker 4>do is so incredibly important.
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>So what is your go to? Do you feel? Let
<v Speaker 1>me ask you this first. I'm always I love talking
<v Speaker 1>to artists because I want everyone to be as depressed.
<v Speaker 3>As we're crazy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you feel like you're one hundred percent who
<v Speaker 1>you want to be? Before you answer that, do you
<v Speaker 1>know one hundred percent of who you are and want
<v Speaker 1>to be?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 3>And I think that suck. Well, I think that sucks.
<v Speaker 4>Answer you never are fully going to be like, yes,
<v Speaker 4>I know exactly who I am and exactly like I
<v Speaker 4>think it's a constant discovery.
<v Speaker 1>I think some people know that though I think Spruce
<v Speaker 1>Springsteen knows exactly who the hell he is.
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, maybe now at this level and still at
<v Speaker 4>this level, I'm sure he's still asking himself. Okay, I
<v Speaker 4>did that on the last two Like what could I do?
<v Speaker 4>On this next tour, Like, I'm sure there are still
<v Speaker 4>spaces of his brain where he is like trying to
<v Speaker 4>figure out how he can maybe grow things or how
<v Speaker 4>he can freshen up things.
<v Speaker 1>Like No, and he evolves better than anybody than he evolves.
<v Speaker 4>So and when you see somebody evolving, that means that
<v Speaker 4>they're like constantly growing and they're constantly asking that question. So, yes,
<v Speaker 4>I'm with you. It is so frustrating, Yeah, to not know,
<v Speaker 4>And it's also just it means we're human, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So you So what's your go to music? Like if
<v Speaker 1>you have like a couple albums, because I go to
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of things always, always, always, always, and
<v Speaker 1>then I forget about the rest of the world of
<v Speaker 1>music that I've I've been exposed to, and I just
<v Speaker 1>keep on going back to the well what is your
<v Speaker 1>go to music? Like last year was just like, man,
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna listen to I could listen to this
<v Speaker 1>every day.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my my tastes are all over the I
<v Speaker 4>like when I really go back to my roots, like
<v Speaker 4>I'm listening to like songs in the Key of Life
<v Speaker 4>Stevie Wonder, or I'm listening to Jimmy Hendrix. Who I'm
<v Speaker 4>listening to, Aretha Franklin. I've been into anything like so
<v Speaker 4>soul and motown music is like what really inspires me
<v Speaker 4>as well as like I'm such a music nerd, and
<v Speaker 4>so bands like Wolfpeck I don't know if you know
<v Speaker 4>who they are, but they're like, they're so flipping talented
<v Speaker 4>and and so I'm into that. I'm into like alternative.
<v Speaker 4>I'm into like real pop stuff too. So I listen
<v Speaker 4>to literally everything.
<v Speaker 1>Which makes it even harder to know who you are.
<v Speaker 1>I really believe that makes it harder because I like
<v Speaker 1>everything from stone stone country to bluegrass to blues. I
<v Speaker 1>think if I have my choice, like if I could
<v Speaker 1>play like Stevie Rayvar and sing like Edda James and
<v Speaker 1>right like Merle Haggard, That's who I would be, you know,
<v Speaker 1>because I get off on this.
<v Speaker 3>So different, so many different things.
<v Speaker 1>It's two different I got.
<v Speaker 4>The coolest part about that, though, is like, as an artist,
<v Speaker 4>you get to figure out how to web those things
<v Speaker 4>together in a unique package. Like I always say, my
<v Speaker 4>favorite artists are not necessarily the best vocalists are not
<v Speaker 4>necessarily the best musicians. But it's like the way they
<v Speaker 4>put the package together. It's like the way Keith Urban sings,
<v Speaker 4>the way John Mayer plays guitar, the way Aretha sings,
<v Speaker 4>the way Joni Mitchell writes her songs. And when you
<v Speaker 4>put as an artist, when you put the way that Keith,
<v Speaker 4>that Keith sings and plays and performs and writes songs
<v Speaker 4>and and put that puzzle piece together, it makes it
<v Speaker 4>like so unique, so that nobody else is as good
<v Speaker 4>as Keith.
<v Speaker 3>As Keith is at what he does.
<v Speaker 4>Right right, you know, he's arms like Tom Petty, Like
<v Speaker 4>Tom Petty is not the best vocalist in the world,
<v Speaker 4>but does anybody care about that? No, because his songs
<v Speaker 4>are generationally life changing.
<v Speaker 1>I heard him in an interview once and someone was like, man,
<v Speaker 1>your songs just seem so simple. They're just so simple
<v Speaker 1>to riot, and he goes try it.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, honestly, I mean, but that's but those are the
<v Speaker 7>kind of artists that I'm talking about who I think
<v Speaker 7>they know exactly who they are because they started out
<v Speaker 7>a certain style and they stayed with it.
<v Speaker 1>I think in the country music world especially, I think
<v Speaker 1>people dabble in this a little bit, dabbling that Okay, well,
<v Speaker 1>the loops are cool. Now we're all going to loop. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>loops aren't cool. What fiddle's cool? This week we're all
<v Speaker 1>gonna play the fiddle and oh, we've got a three
<v Speaker 1>person band. We're all going to do that. And that,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we are. I really think that we are
<v Speaker 1>so guilty. And I'm sure popping and hip hop is
<v Speaker 1>really bad about that too, and especially now more than
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. I mean, we've watched a hip
<v Speaker 1>hop documentary recently and it was just it was it
<v Speaker 1>was mind blowing about how awesome it was back in
<v Speaker 1>the day, like in the eighties and nineties when all
<v Speaker 1>that stuff kind of came into existence, that those were
<v Speaker 1>the pioneers. Those are the people who discovered America, you know,
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, it's anymore. I think that we
<v Speaker 1>I'll say it just for me, but I think in
<v Speaker 1>popular music, even even country, we are always looking to
<v Speaker 1>assimilate some of what we do into the grand condition
<v Speaker 1>of what's going on around.
<v Speaker 2>Us, especially if you want to be commercial.
<v Speaker 1>For sure, because I write alone, I'll sit in here
<v Speaker 1>and have a glass of whiskey or whatever about two
<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning. I'm writing stuff that ain't never
<v Speaker 1>getting played on the radio. Yes, and that's the stuff
<v Speaker 1>I get off on. Well, yeah, me too, but I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>I am so good because I am so good now,
<v Speaker 1>you know.
<v Speaker 4>But I think there is a magic in leaning into
<v Speaker 4>whatever that space is, like the spaces of our brains
<v Speaker 4>as artists that were like this would never get played
<v Speaker 4>on the radio. But those are the things that are
<v Speaker 4>so unique to who we are. And when you can
<v Speaker 4>really lean into those places and then kind of take
<v Speaker 4>even some of those songs and then make them a
<v Speaker 4>little bit more commercial or like produce them in the
<v Speaker 4>way that's a little bit more commercial, that's I think
<v Speaker 4>where the magic happens. That's where you see artists like
<v Speaker 4>Casey for instance, who was just doing her thing in
<v Speaker 4>her completely different way and granted it was a little
<v Speaker 4>bit of an anomaly, but huge am but at the
<v Speaker 4>same point, huge anomaly, but at the same point she.
<v Speaker 3>Just stayed true to herself.
<v Speaker 4>It's hard ended up becoming a commercial thing, which that
<v Speaker 4>is so inspiring to me.
<v Speaker 1>That's hard to do.
<v Speaker 3>It's hard.
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to be yourself. I say it all the time.
<v Speaker 1>The hardest thing you'll ever do is be yourself. And
<v Speaker 1>almost right behind that is figuring out who that is
<v Speaker 1>and then being it. You know, it's just it's yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I think the people who don't care. They I think
<v Speaker 1>you have to truly not care about success. You truly
<v Speaker 1>have to not worry if you have a dime or
<v Speaker 1>a million. You truly just don't care. You just want
<v Speaker 1>to create. You just want to do this. And I
<v Speaker 1>think those are where those kind of people, those kind
<v Speaker 1>of artists are the ones that stand in the test
<v Speaker 1>of time. And that's your Tom Petty's, that's your Springsteen's
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. You know, like Springsteen was like, oh, it's
<v Speaker 1>a commercial hit. I hate it. I'm never playing it
<v Speaker 1>on the show. I mean, who does that. It's like
<v Speaker 1>you writing songs going oh god, they're gonna play this
<v Speaker 1>on the radio. I'm not doing this, not doing it.
<v Speaker 3>Can he can say that because he is Springsteen?
<v Speaker 1>Well but yeah, but well it's like with Dave Grohl.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I heard an interview with him. It's like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>it's easier for you to say, what do you talking.
<v Speaker 1>I mean we've played you know, we recorded these albums,
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a garage and all this other stuff.
<v Speaker 1>You know, He's he is so inspirational. By the way,
<v Speaker 1>to listen to him talk about music and stuff, it
<v Speaker 1>makes me want to just you know, it's weird to
<v Speaker 1>keep the hunger even as you get older. They having
<v Speaker 1>that drive and it just keeps on kind of drive.
<v Speaker 1>And I love that, Seanna, I haven't lost that because
<v Speaker 1>I see a lot of people losing, you know.
<v Speaker 3>I love that you guys haven't lost it. And I
<v Speaker 3>love that, you know, I'm so.
<v Speaker 4>Excited for everything you guys are doing right now, and
<v Speaker 4>and it's like it's it's so cool to just see
<v Speaker 4>you guys like keep making it happen.
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of music that you're never gonna hear the radio,
<v Speaker 1>Shawna did a solo project.
<v Speaker 4>I heard about all this you were telling me about
<v Speaker 4>why can you send me it?
<v Speaker 1>I can? I can't. You know. We just got it
<v Speaker 1>back from a giant douchebag. And there's just when you
<v Speaker 1>think they're all gone, here comes another one. You know.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so we we we got the assets back,
<v Speaker 1>which I'm so so thrilled with, you know, and it's
<v Speaker 1>such a different product, it's such a different project. But
<v Speaker 1>what do you what are you like working on right now?
<v Speaker 1>I mean, in in between albums, do you just write
<v Speaker 1>you try to get outside cuts. Do you just write
<v Speaker 1>for yourself? Do you just write to keep the razor sharp?
<v Speaker 1>What do you do?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm writing for sure for like the next thing.
<v Speaker 4>Like I love writing for the artists, and I will
<v Speaker 4>do that at any point I can. But in terms
<v Speaker 4>of like my own rights, I'm just trying to stay focused,
<v Speaker 4>like trying to find those right songs that you know
<v Speaker 4>will change the game. Right?
<v Speaker 3>Who changed my life?
<v Speaker 1>Who produced this last record?
<v Speaker 3>Dan Huff.
<v Speaker 2>I was working with Dan because we had a blast
<v Speaker 2>working guys.
<v Speaker 4>I have always wanted to work with Dan ever since
<v Speaker 4>I moved to town, I mean a lot, so just
<v Speaker 4>because he's such an incredible guitar player, and he's been
<v Speaker 4>like a guitar playing idol of mine. Yeah, ever since
<v Speaker 4>I was I was little, and ever since I moved
<v Speaker 4>to town, I mean, I would watch hours and hours
<v Speaker 4>and hours of Dan playing guitar on YouTube and just
<v Speaker 4>like studying the way he would approach different notes and
<v Speaker 4>so to be able to work with him. And then
<v Speaker 4>my first guitar session with Dan, I was so nervous.
<v Speaker 4>I was like sitting outside the studio in my car,
<v Speaker 4>like my hands were shaking, and I'm like I have
<v Speaker 4>to go in and play guitar in front of the
<v Speaker 4>man who played guitar on Michael Jackson records and Madonna
<v Speaker 4>records and pretend like I know what I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Doing, Like what are you doing, Lindsey.
<v Speaker 4>And yet, as you know, Dan Huff is like the
<v Speaker 4>nicest human of the planet, most down to earth like,
<v Speaker 4>not pretentious whatsoever, and he like lifted me up in
<v Speaker 4>the most beautiful way as a producer's job is to do.
<v Speaker 4>But like, I have so much respect for Dan because
<v Speaker 4>he can work with an artist like Caine Brown, he
<v Speaker 4>can work with us, he can work with Lady A,
<v Speaker 4>he can work with Russell Dickerson, and each of their
<v Speaker 4>records sound like them. Like it's a very hard thing
<v Speaker 4>as a producer just to let an artist be an
<v Speaker 4>artist and surround them with music and then and then
<v Speaker 4>make it sound commercial. But but yeah, working with Dan
<v Speaker 4>was like a dream come true. And I learned so
<v Speaker 4>much much from him, and he became like my guitar coach.
<v Speaker 4>Like I would sit in the studio and he wouldn't
<v Speaker 4>tell me what to play. He would just be like,
<v Speaker 4>all right, let's say go play, and then.
<v Speaker 3>He'd be like Okay.
<v Speaker 4>At the end of the solo, try maybe a different out,
<v Speaker 4>like get out of it a different way, or maybe
<v Speaker 4>he had a B note on that chord, like he
<v Speaker 4>would just.
<v Speaker 3>Like kind of guide me.
<v Speaker 4>I kind of compare it to like a football coach,
<v Speaker 4>like telling a quarterback, like how to navigate a play
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. And it was so useful, Like I'm coming
<v Speaker 4>out of this experience being like I feel like I'm
<v Speaker 4>a different player and singer and artist because of working
<v Speaker 4>with Dan Huff.
<v Speaker 1>So did you go to his house?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Is that coffee you ever had in your life? Oh
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, his coffee.
<v Speaker 4>The coffee, it is so good every time, Like I
<v Speaker 4>don't I don't even drink coffee every day, but every time
<v Speaker 4>I went to dance, I was like, yep, I want I've.
<v Speaker 1>Been real tempted, Like, if I'm over in that area,
<v Speaker 1>just go, hey, Dan, can I swing by for a
<v Speaker 1>cup of shoe? I'm sure he would.
<v Speaker 2>What was the story with that?
<v Speaker 1>When it didn't, Faith Tail bought it for him. It
<v Speaker 1>was like a three thousand whatever it was. It was
<v Speaker 1>worth every penny. Faith, thank you for doing that.
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much. Faith Artists around town are still thinking.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I had it So when we went to
<v Speaker 1>Dan's house for some vocals, he was we got talking
<v Speaker 1>about guitars. It's like, let me show you something. So
<v Speaker 1>he comes, he leaves the room and he comes back
<v Speaker 1>with this black strat and he puts it in my hand.
<v Speaker 1>I go, oh, what's this. He goes, it's the nineties.
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh my god, you played all
<v Speaker 1>that stuff on that guitar. Just that's the one that
<v Speaker 1>you know, just like, oh my gosh. You know. He
<v Speaker 1>got mad at me though, because we did the session
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, the guitar part has to be
<v Speaker 1>like this, and the guy that did it in the
<v Speaker 1>studio just didn't quite do it, you know, And I
<v Speaker 1>kept I kept beating him, beating on him, beating on him.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, man, it's just not right. It's just
<v Speaker 1>not right. And we did a we had a radio
<v Speaker 1>thing in Nashville and Dan calls me at like seven
<v Speaker 1>am and he.
<v Speaker 3>Goes, I just sit all hours of the day working.
<v Speaker 1>He goes, I just sent you the files. Like what files?
<v Speaker 1>He goes, I was up all night. I replaced every
<v Speaker 1>guitar part on that record, and he goes, damn it,
<v Speaker 1>you were right. He's like, sorry, bro, I just want
<v Speaker 1>to I wanted Dan to be playing on the record,
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like I want I wanted
<v Speaker 1>his I wanted his chops on there. Every time he plays,
<v Speaker 1>I hear thee solos, I'm just like, Oh, I'm just
<v Speaker 1>nerd now. But this is so cool.
<v Speaker 4>Man a great guitars sounds so good he is.
<v Speaker 2>He is all that white snake stuff, Isn't he like
<v Speaker 2>back in the.
<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson It's insane. He was in Giants.
<v Speaker 1>I know. Have you come back and watched any of
<v Speaker 1>those Giant videos on YouTube? Yes, it's hilarious to see
<v Speaker 1>him in that capacity.
<v Speaker 4>David's draft, his guitar tech through that whole time has
<v Speaker 4>helped me out these last few shows.
<v Speaker 3>He was actually teching for me on Saturday.
<v Speaker 4>Another just gem of a human being and the stories
<v Speaker 4>that guy has because he's been you know, around the
<v Speaker 4>world with Dan and has been like through the gamut
<v Speaker 4>with him, and yeah, they saw, they saw a lot
<v Speaker 4>of life.
<v Speaker 1>So I have a I have a question for you.
<v Speaker 1>I like to ask people this because I do I
<v Speaker 1>do a thing on Clubhouse. I have like a world
<v Speaker 1>like I kind of open a writing room to global
<v Speaker 1>to the to the masses or whatever, and so we
<v Speaker 1>have people coming in from all over the world asking
<v Speaker 1>questions or want advice and everything else. And I had
<v Speaker 1>kind of an epiphany the other day. It's like, why
<v Speaker 1>do we write songs? Why do you? Why do you
<v Speaker 1>write songs? And what does it mean to be successful?
<v Speaker 1>In your mind? What does it mean to be successful?
<v Speaker 1>Because in my mind it used to be being the
<v Speaker 1>biggest artist, and now it's not. I'm not the biggest artist.
<v Speaker 1>Seawna is not the biggest artists in the world. So
<v Speaker 1>how okay, how do you redefine kind of are you
<v Speaker 1>telling yourself that this is what success is? Or do
<v Speaker 1>you just get some age on you and some wisdom
<v Speaker 1>and you're able to actually see what success is, what
<v Speaker 1>making it means in the eyes of you, You know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean?
<v Speaker 3>I think that.
<v Speaker 4>I mean the first part why I write songs, Like
<v Speaker 4>nothing makes me happier on this planet than writing songs
<v Speaker 4>and getting to play them in front of people. And
<v Speaker 4>as a little girl like I started writing songs when
<v Speaker 4>I was ten years old, and my first few shows,
<v Speaker 4>I was just like, man, this is a pretty good
<v Speaker 4>way to go here. And I was a huge nerd,
<v Speaker 4>like I graduated high school year early. I was valedictorian
<v Speaker 4>and went right into college like I and then I
<v Speaker 4>dropped out and was just like, I need to do
<v Speaker 4>music because if I don't do it now, then I
<v Speaker 4>won't ever have another shot again. And I can always
<v Speaker 4>go back to school, right, And so I just knew
<v Speaker 4>that nothing else made me as happy as writing songs
<v Speaker 4>and playing them and performing them in front of people.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let me ask you this. If you didn't
<v Speaker 1>have a deal, if you weren't famous, if you had
<v Speaker 1>no shot at getting on the radio, no one else
<v Speaker 1>except for yourselves, and you're in the VFW and the
<v Speaker 1>moose lodges that you're going to play on the weekends,
<v Speaker 1>would you still write songs at the same frequency that
<v Speaker 1>you do now and be as happy?
<v Speaker 3>I think I would. I mean, you know it, Just.
<v Speaker 2>Think if it's in your DNA, it's in your DNA,
<v Speaker 2>right well, And that was and I.
<v Speaker 4>Was just always been like, I mean, Sheryl Crow was
<v Speaker 4>Michael Jackson's background singer for ten years before she had
<v Speaker 4>her break, you know, And so I've just always been
<v Speaker 4>under the the program of like, I'll just do whatever
<v Speaker 4>I need to do to keep surviving, whether that's learning
<v Speaker 4>pro tools, building tracks, doing this, learning this instrument. Like
<v Speaker 4>I'll just tell me what I need to learn, and
<v Speaker 4>I will learn it and I will probably learn it
<v Speaker 4>pretty well.
<v Speaker 3>And and I just always have had that mentality.
<v Speaker 4>And yet music just makes me so happy and I
<v Speaker 4>see like how it can make other people so happy,
<v Speaker 4>and so yeah, I'd probably be doing music.
<v Speaker 1>It's I think you write songs because you have to
<v Speaker 1>write songs. Yeah, And like there was someone I think
<v Speaker 1>they were in Germany or whatever. Well, I don't feel
<v Speaker 1>like anyone's ever gonna you know, no one's ever gonna
<v Speaker 1>cut my music or whatever. I said, Are you writing
<v Speaker 1>songs to get cuts? Or you writing songs just because
<v Speaker 1>you have to write songs, you know? And they were like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I didn't even think about that. I
<v Speaker 1>was like, you write songs because you have to write songs,
<v Speaker 1>and then if you suck at it, you keep on
<v Speaker 1>writing songs until you don't suck, and then if you
<v Speaker 1>just keep sucking, maybe you shouldn't write songs.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>No, but but and there were some people on there
<v Speaker 1>that were chiming in and doing some different things and
<v Speaker 1>it had you know, I'll just be honest, horrible ideas
<v Speaker 1>about a line and whatever else. And I can tell
<v Speaker 1>that this person has never gotten with anybody who's better
<v Speaker 1>than them. They've never they they dabble, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean? And I think it is a professional song
<v Speaker 1>where you can't if you if it's in your if
<v Speaker 1>it's like she said, if it's in your DNA, you
<v Speaker 1>don't dabble. I mean, you have to get in there
<v Speaker 1>and you do it. I mean every day, every single
<v Speaker 1>day the last twenty three years.
<v Speaker 4>Writers like David Lee Murphy, for instance, a good friend
<v Speaker 4>of both of ours, has written massive songs for you
<v Speaker 4>slash so many incredible stars in country music. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>not every day he writes the number one song, and
<v Speaker 4>yet he wakes up almost every day and writes a song.
<v Speaker 1>Because he knows that it could the next one he
<v Speaker 1>writes it could be it.
<v Speaker 4>Could, and he also knows that just by the law
<v Speaker 4>of numbers, not every single day is going to be
<v Speaker 4>that like striking goal, right, And so I mean that's
<v Speaker 4>why I think, like what you're doing in Clubhouse is
<v Speaker 4>really cool, and apps like club House are actually kind
<v Speaker 4>of neat because it gives people an experience to just
<v Speaker 4>like do that Rinse and repeat, like said, really try
<v Speaker 4>and and.
<v Speaker 3>See if they like it, and see if they.
<v Speaker 4>You know, want to do it at the frequency that
<v Speaker 4>it will take to get better at it.
<v Speaker 1>It was cool because I went on the other day
<v Speaker 1>and I just started the club that I think we
<v Speaker 1>have about sixty well last time I checked the day
<v Speaker 1>was like sixty one members. We haven't done at first
<v Speaker 1>club yet, but it's it's called three minutes Away. So
<v Speaker 1>I always heard your three minutes away from the rest
<v Speaker 1>of your life, you know, And that's true. It's so true.
<v Speaker 1>Kiss me or not change our life forever, yep. And
<v Speaker 1>so it was. It was very interesting to see people
<v Speaker 1>on there that was from There was every color, every
<v Speaker 1>every ethnicity, female, male, the all over the globe, and
<v Speaker 1>they were all so nice and interested and they there
<v Speaker 1>was a rapper on there, and there was this person
<v Speaker 1>on there. There was a business guy on there that dabbles,
<v Speaker 1>and everyone had this you know, this great idea. There
<v Speaker 1>was a woman I was like, well, okay, let's start
<v Speaker 1>with a song. Let's write a song today. And everyone's like,
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to write it? Like yeah, so who's
<v Speaker 1>got an idea? And this woman said, well, you know,
<v Speaker 1>my husband died recently, and I'm just I can't stop
<v Speaker 1>wearing his T shirt. And I was like, that's it.
<v Speaker 1>That's a great idea, you know, it's a great idea.
<v Speaker 1>Tragedy is some of the best ideas, especially in country music,
<v Speaker 1>because we kind of thrive on that, you know, on
<v Speaker 1>the negative in the dark. And it was just a
<v Speaker 1>really fun experience. But I don't know why I start
<v Speaker 1>talking about that, but it's just it's just about songwriting.
<v Speaker 1>It's like you just have to do it. If you
<v Speaker 1>do it, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.
<v Speaker 4>It's like the frequency of it is so important. And
<v Speaker 4>then I mean to get back to your other question
<v Speaker 4>about success. Yeah, I think that everybody has a different
<v Speaker 4>definition of success, and that definition changes as you go
<v Speaker 4>through life, and as you accomplish things, you know, the
<v Speaker 4>goalpost keep on moving and keep on changing, and you
<v Speaker 4>start to set your eyes on new prizes, you know,
<v Speaker 4>even as you get older and have families and buy
<v Speaker 4>three dogs and and you know, you just have different
<v Speaker 4>priorities and success all of a sudden becomes a different
<v Speaker 4>word that encompasses different things.
<v Speaker 3>And that's not.
<v Speaker 4>Positive or negative change, it's just a different change. And
<v Speaker 4>then in a way, It's like a beautiful way to
<v Speaker 4>be adaptive around that word, to know that, oh yeah,
<v Speaker 4>this is now our definition.
<v Speaker 1>Of It's a very malleable concept, and I think it
<v Speaker 1>should be. And I think if you put it in concrete,
<v Speaker 1>you're you're going to be very very disappointed in your life.
<v Speaker 1>You know, you'd have to be able to do that. Well, listen,
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you, how do you have any
<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of talking?
<v Speaker 8>Now?
<v Speaker 2>You're fine, you always do a lot of Well, I just.
<v Speaker 1>Have a lot of I haven't seen her in a
<v Speaker 1>long time, and I'm just curious about it. How do
<v Speaker 1>you how do you date? Now? How does that work? Because?
<v Speaker 1>My god, if I had to do what single people
<v Speaker 1>are doing right now, I would buy fifteen dogs and
<v Speaker 1>I would I couldn't do it. Man, are you on
<v Speaker 1>the dating apps? I mean you guys, I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to know.
<v Speaker 4>He has helped me out with this, like, I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I need some help. No, I'm not on the dating apps.
<v Speaker 4>I was on one of them that was like for
<v Speaker 4>verified Instagram pages or whatever, but it still just seemed
<v Speaker 4>like kind of a hookup app and I'm not into that,
<v Speaker 4>and so I honestly don't know how to date, Like,
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how to meet people other than like
<v Speaker 4>through friends. But Nashville's kind of a small community. It's
<v Speaker 4>like most of my friends have either dated other people
<v Speaker 4>I know, or it's just like a really small town.
<v Speaker 3>And it's also hard to find somebody who's.
<v Speaker 4>Truly cool with me traveling you know, two hundred and
<v Speaker 4>fifty days a year, Like it's right. They can say
<v Speaker 4>they're cool, but then you like kind of break it
<v Speaker 4>down and you're like, yeah, but are you.
<v Speaker 3>Really cool with it?
<v Speaker 2>Because it's like it's a It definitely takes a special person,
<v Speaker 2>for sure.
<v Speaker 3>It takes a special person.
<v Speaker 4>So if you have any ideas, you know, I'm I'm
<v Speaker 4>all ears right now. It's it's it's my schedule's pretty open,
<v Speaker 4>and in COVID it's like, I mean, I don't like
<v Speaker 4>going out as is, Like I'm not the kind of
<v Speaker 4>right out to the bar on the weekends, like I see.
<v Speaker 1>Losers every weekend.
<v Speaker 4>No, no, that's not my that's not my jam. And
<v Speaker 4>so I don't know, I have no idea how to date.
<v Speaker 4>I have debated maybe trying to go on the Bachelorette
<v Speaker 4>or something.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know for.
<v Speaker 4>Any you should do that, any ideas, I don't think
<v Speaker 4>they would let me. I think in order to be
<v Speaker 4>the bachelorette, you need to be on the Bachelor.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, oh that's right, they have like a rule.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they maybe just stick to those strict rules for
<v Speaker 1>the for the don't get me started.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 4>I know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you don't know how to date, I wouldn't
<v Speaker 1>know how to do it. Like, if that's the only
<v Speaker 1>reason why I'm staying together is I don't know how
<v Speaker 1>to date, that's it.
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's the most romantic thing.
<v Speaker 1>I've not romantic that died three years ago, twenty years
<v Speaker 1>when the romance stops.
<v Speaker 2>No, he witnessed on the bus like our crew guys,
<v Speaker 2>they were all younger dudes, you know, and they're back
<v Speaker 2>there and they're doing the whole swiping thing and.
<v Speaker 1>On Grinder, and I'm like, are you guys seriously on Grinder?
<v Speaker 1>You met someone, Like if you're going to meet someone
<v Speaker 1>have kids and later on you're the you're at the altar.
<v Speaker 1>I met her on Grinder, Well, I mean at the
<v Speaker 1>at the my brother, my brother met his wife on
<v Speaker 1>a dating app Grinder, So I think not Grinder. No, no,
<v Speaker 1>no Grinder.
<v Speaker 3>I think I was like on match or something, but
<v Speaker 3>I like it works. It definitely works.
<v Speaker 4>I just feel weird because sometimes, like I I haven't
<v Speaker 4>I've only downloaded one of them, but sometimes like fans
<v Speaker 4>would find me see made me feel weird.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.
<v Speaker 2>It's got to be a tough thing to you. Can
<v Speaker 2>you have a certain amount of fame trying to find something.
<v Speaker 4>I know, I'm still like a new artist, so like
<v Speaker 4>I will be humble and take a nice big slice
<v Speaker 4>of humble pie with that.
<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, I'm just like, you never
<v Speaker 3>really know somebody's intentions on that.
<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, I don't know, I can't do the
<v Speaker 4>dating app.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, because somebody who really digs you, like a
<v Speaker 1>crazy creepy fan could like totally pose it out and
<v Speaker 1>take it all the way. I could take it all
<v Speaker 1>the way.
<v Speaker 4>I don't really know.
<v Speaker 1>Next thing, you know, you wake up there's no guitars
<v Speaker 1>in your house.
<v Speaker 3>I know it's terrifying to me.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I'm just single for a while.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know until I can tell that you hate
<v Speaker 1>that though kind of it looks like guys.
<v Speaker 3>It gets kind of lonely.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I love my dog so flipping much, but yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I like want to find that person. I mean I
<v Speaker 4>think every single person does.
<v Speaker 1>When I think and I think, people look at you
<v Speaker 1>and go, oh my gosh, she's beautiful and she has
<v Speaker 1>success and she's all you know. But at the end
<v Speaker 1>of the day, all of us have baggage, all of us,
<v Speaker 1>all of us have issues, all of us need things
<v Speaker 1>that we're not getting all of us, you know, And man,
<v Speaker 1>I really hope you find what was the last long
<v Speaker 1>relationship that you had.
<v Speaker 3>I mean long relationship was like a year three years ago.
<v Speaker 1>Three years ago?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, wow, and that was three years long.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.
<v Speaker 1>So wow.
<v Speaker 4>Wait to bring the party down, keeper, Well, you know
<v Speaker 4>we're getting real now. Listen, I have anybody's listening.
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't know Lindsay l that's that's who
<v Speaker 1>she wants to meet.
<v Speaker 8>She is.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just taking from us. Yeah, don't act like
<v Speaker 1>she's famous. She's just a normal gal. He's looking for
<v Speaker 1>a little smoochy, smooth you know what I'm saying. Oh, like.
<v Speaker 4>I could probably maybe like if I can't get on
<v Speaker 4>the Bachelorette, maybe I should start my own dating show
<v Speaker 4>and just be like, all right, let's vet them.
<v Speaker 2>Let's like, I think that's an amazing idea for like
<v Speaker 2>CMT or something.
<v Speaker 1>Dating that would be so awesome. Why not?
<v Speaker 3>And that also sounds terrible, like.
<v Speaker 1>It sounds, you know, I would watch it just as
<v Speaker 1>I would just I would have to watch.
<v Speaker 3>You would watch friends.
<v Speaker 1>I would watch that over the Bachelor at I would wow.
<v Speaker 1>There there you go.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that is a call fliment. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, and it's gotta be tough and just just being
<v Speaker 1>the girl on the band, you know, being being the
<v Speaker 1>head haunt you and and and telling all these guys
<v Speaker 1>what to do and where to go and and uh,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it's you know, it's not as you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's not as frequent as as you know, most guys
<v Speaker 1>are used to dealing with, you know. But like you're
<v Speaker 1>do you have a lot of girlfriends in the music
<v Speaker 1>business as far as artists.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm lucky in Nashville. I mean, I think there
<v Speaker 4>are a lot of like girls who are so cool
<v Speaker 4>and just like really down to earth. And I mean
<v Speaker 4>to find a group of girls who work together who
<v Speaker 4>aren't colokie, that's rare in like any town, any business.
<v Speaker 4>But but I do feel like there's like a core
<v Speaker 4>group of female artists in Nashville who are just like
<v Speaker 4>all awesome, and yet we all understand each other, Like
<v Speaker 4>Carly Pearce and I have gotten really close over COVID,
<v Speaker 4>Like Cassidy Pope's one of my best friends. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>Laura and Alena, and we all understand what each other
<v Speaker 4>go through, and so we have this like bonding of
<v Speaker 4>you know, we know the stresses of radio, we know
<v Speaker 4>how much we miss touring, we know, you know, all
<v Speaker 4>of the craziness of award show week and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 4>and so it's nice to have friends that understand exactly what.
<v Speaker 3>You go through.
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a support group.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it totally is on it. And being a girl
<v Speaker 4>in this industry is like a different thing. Like you
<v Speaker 4>have to wake up three hours earlier to get ready
<v Speaker 4>for certain things and stuff like that, and so it's
<v Speaker 4>kind of nice to have a group of friends that
<v Speaker 4>like share in those things.
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you said that, because I am curious. You
<v Speaker 1>look amazing all the time. Every freaking post, every post
<v Speaker 1>you put up on Instagram. You're it's just totally dialed
<v Speaker 1>in that's very hair makeup. How do you how do
<v Speaker 1>you muster up the energy to look so good all
<v Speaker 1>the damn time? It's like you're posing. It's like you
<v Speaker 1>go to Starbucks. It's like.
<v Speaker 3>Filters are beautiful things. I will just say.
<v Speaker 1>That I love I do love your look though, I
<v Speaker 1>love your clothes, and I love the whole vibe that
<v Speaker 1>you have going on. How do how do you come
<v Speaker 1>up with that? Because I know that Sean, and we're
<v Speaker 1>always talking about like different things or whatever. It seems
<v Speaker 1>like you have. It's almost like everything's custom made for you.
<v Speaker 3>That is so not the case.
<v Speaker 4>I am not a Kardashian yet and have the budget yet,
<v Speaker 4>Please don't have that everything custom made.
<v Speaker 3>But we'll get there, don't you worry.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I just kind of gravitate to what I like.
<v Speaker 4>And you know, I've with the same stylust ever since
<v Speaker 4>I've moved to town, and she just really gets me
<v Speaker 4>and gets what I like. And yet, you know, I've
<v Speaker 4>had meetings about the shoes I wear on stage, Like
<v Speaker 4>I love sneakers, I love like really cool sneakers, And
<v Speaker 4>there were meetings that we had about me not wearing
<v Speaker 4>sneakers on stage.
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask you about that because I've found
<v Speaker 2>that on the big tours and stuff. Yeah, the staging,
<v Speaker 2>the crew guys, they don't think about us in high heels.
<v Speaker 1>The grids in the stage.
<v Speaker 2>You're forced to wear boots, like I wore biker boots
<v Speaker 2>most of the Luke Bryan tour because yeah, I wanted
<v Speaker 2>to run around the stage and like have fun and
<v Speaker 2>you can't.
<v Speaker 7>Well that's the thing.
<v Speaker 4>And Seana like, yes, it's not necessarily even the look,
<v Speaker 4>Like I love wearing heels, and I think they do
<v Speaker 4>make a girl look more attractive really, you know, like
<v Speaker 4>it makes you stand differently or whatever. But if I'm
<v Speaker 4>singing and I want to run around stage and I'm
<v Speaker 4>playing guitar and playing like wah pedals and.
<v Speaker 3>All this stuff, I cannot wear stilettos.
<v Speaker 4>I can barely wear heeled boots and and put on
<v Speaker 4>the same show. Like if I wear sneakers, I put
<v Speaker 4>on so much better of a show just because.
<v Speaker 2>I can't stand. I totally feel that the last couple
<v Speaker 2>of years, I've been way into Adidas stuff yet obsessed
<v Speaker 2>the Puma jacket.
<v Speaker 4>I know, but I was gonna compliment you on your
<v Speaker 4>Puma jacket that is dope.
<v Speaker 2>It's been very athletic, like the look that I've been
<v Speaker 2>going with because it works for me wanting to move
<v Speaker 2>around stage and feel so like much more free.
<v Speaker 1>Do you shop? Do you shop online? You do the
<v Speaker 1>thrift store thing?
<v Speaker 4>Do you have? Oh yeah, I'm like not pretentious at all.
<v Speaker 4>I love Target, I love thrift stores. I love like
<v Speaker 4>a random little hole in the wall stores on the road.
<v Speaker 4>And you know, for award shows sometimes I spend way
<v Speaker 4>too much money in address.
<v Speaker 3>So there's like no rules.
<v Speaker 4>No no hands off, any method. But but yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>just I love things that make me feel good. And
<v Speaker 4>like Seana said, like that you can move around with.
<v Speaker 2>You know what do you miss most about being on
<v Speaker 2>a tour bus?
<v Speaker 3>Sleeping?
<v Speaker 2>The sleep is the.
<v Speaker 3>Best, right, sleeping on a bus. I miss that so much.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's like it rocks you to sleep. That like
<v Speaker 4>road noise, and and just like the camaraderie. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>I love my band so much, and like those talks
<v Speaker 4>we would have after a show, like when the bus
<v Speaker 4>starts rolling and man, I'm really fortunate.
<v Speaker 9>Just like.
<v Speaker 4>But it's just like those that like that's my family,
<v Speaker 4>you know, like my road family and we just really
<v Speaker 4>support each other and have real conversation.
<v Speaker 3>And so that's what I miss about the bus the
<v Speaker 3>very much.
<v Speaker 1>I bet you feel a lot less single when we're working.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, That's why it's hit me so hard this
<v Speaker 4>past year, because when you're on the road, you guys, know,
<v Speaker 4>your schedule is crazy. I mean you like, you get
<v Speaker 4>to a venue, you're doing radio, you're doing interviews, like
<v Speaker 4>you don't really.
<v Speaker 3>Notice it as much. But at home, I.
<v Speaker 4>Know, every single day, like I'm in my house by myself,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, oh yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, if you're on the road and you
<v Speaker 1>need a date, you can always go and Grinder and
<v Speaker 1>you can scratch that Grinder girl that boy thing? Is there?
<v Speaker 1>Is there one for the fun?
<v Speaker 8>I know?
<v Speaker 4>I think Grinder is actually, yeah, it's bumble is I
<v Speaker 4>think the girl.
<v Speaker 1>The bumble is a girl one where like.
<v Speaker 3>The girl needs to approve it first. Grinder I think
<v Speaker 3>is for is for gay?
<v Speaker 1>Is that that what I go on? I came perfect
<v Speaker 1>just for fun.
<v Speaker 3>I'm so I'm so happy for you.
<v Speaker 1>I hope I should tell you how out of the
<v Speaker 1>loop I am with anything. The whole time I'm talking
<v Speaker 1>about Grinder, I'm thinking it's just a guy hooking over
<v Speaker 1>the girl app and there's nothing to do.
<v Speaker 4>There's no booms involved at all.
<v Speaker 1>What is wrong with me?
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know. I don't even know.
<v Speaker 4>All the best of luck to everybody out there on.
<v Speaker 3>Whatever dating app you made for whatever reason.
<v Speaker 1>It's so bad. Well we have well, yeah, I want
<v Speaker 1>to stop. Yeah, I'm going to pull up.
<v Speaker 9>You know.
<v Speaker 1>I tend to just like say what I've just come
<v Speaker 1>to the front of my mind, and sometimes I shouldn't
<v Speaker 1>do that. Yeah, yeah, what's your what's your fitness routine?
<v Speaker 1>Because obviously you're you're not fat?
<v Speaker 3>Thanks.
<v Speaker 4>Have you been working at since we have I definitely
<v Speaker 4>feel like I am right now.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so fat right now, it's ridiculous.
<v Speaker 3>I've just been eating, not really working out.
<v Speaker 1>If I stood up right now, you'd go, oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>sit damn. I had the camera position just off of
<v Speaker 1>my test right just off my Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I got a treadmill like before quarantine. It
<v Speaker 3>was the.
<v Speaker 4>Best, like foreseeing of the what I would need in
<v Speaker 4>the future.
<v Speaker 3>So that's been nice to have that. I can just
<v Speaker 3>I've just been.
<v Speaker 4>Working at home, working out at home a lot. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>my trainer I've gone to work out with him a
<v Speaker 4>little bit, but I still kind of feel weird going
<v Speaker 4>to a gym to work out.
<v Speaker 1>And she did the whole the boxing thing, right, you
<v Speaker 1>were into.
<v Speaker 3>That for a while, and I still am.
<v Speaker 4>I just like still have felt like a little weird
<v Speaker 4>going to a gym being like around a bunch of people.
<v Speaker 4>Especially now that I'm like booking shows here and there.
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, I can't get sick, so I'm just
<v Speaker 4>going to work out at home, yea, And so so yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I've just been doing like the home thing, which is
<v Speaker 4>YouTube good as the gym thing, but it's better than nothing.
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that that is it? Title fitness? Is
<v Speaker 1>that is that where you go?
<v Speaker 9>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Do you think the title fitness has has armed you
<v Speaker 1>with the ability to whip someone's butt? Like if you
<v Speaker 1>really needed to?
<v Speaker 3>Kind of?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like you feel jacked like someone messes with you.
<v Speaker 1>I mean you just go back into into a class
<v Speaker 1>and just whip their butt kind of.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my trainer is a badass, and like he's
<v Speaker 4>like taught me some self defense stuff as well as like,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my boxing skills are not anything to call
<v Speaker 4>home about. But but I definitely do feel like I
<v Speaker 4>could keep my own Yeah, and and probably if I
<v Speaker 4>were to box with my band, I probably could like.
<v Speaker 3>To beat them.
<v Speaker 1>They're musicians.
<v Speaker 4>I love them, I love them dearly, but I'm so competitive.
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that you could probably whip their ass
<v Speaker 1>if he hadn't had any title boxing just no musicians. Watch.
<v Speaker 3>They'll challenge me now to like a boxing fight.
<v Speaker 1>And she did a big grudge match. What what person
<v Speaker 1>do you hate so much that you can't stand in
<v Speaker 1>country music? I'm just kid. Don't answer that.
<v Speaker 9>Okay, cool, I'm just playing.
<v Speaker 1>We were going to ask you to sing, But do
<v Speaker 1>you feel like it? Or do you?
<v Speaker 3>I mean I told you no question was off. Yeah
<v Speaker 3>I can sing.
<v Speaker 1>I would love I know we've been doing this a
<v Speaker 1>little bit and everyone seems to really love it when
<v Speaker 1>someone sings. You don't have to sing a whole song,
<v Speaker 1>but I would love to hear something.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I can sing.
<v Speaker 1>Just look at this. She just happens to have a
<v Speaker 1>guitar right there.
<v Speaker 3>I just happen to have a guitar by and everything. Well,
<v Speaker 3>I'll play you the single right now. This is a
<v Speaker 3>song I wrote with Kane Brown.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, as we all know, as artists were like
<v Speaker 4>on festivals and on all these shows, and we're always
<v Speaker 4>backstage like.
<v Speaker 3>We should write together, we should write.
<v Speaker 4>Together, and it never happens because we're always like so
<v Speaker 4>busy and we go off on our.
<v Speaker 1>We've never written. And we've said that a million.
<v Speaker 4>Times, ever written, and we said that a million times,
<v Speaker 4>and we clearly need to make it happen. But for
<v Speaker 4>whatever reason, Cain and I made it happen with Matt
<v Speaker 4>McGinn and Lindsay rhymes and uh and yeah.
<v Speaker 3>This song is all about.
<v Speaker 4>Like standing in your own confidence and not losing sight
<v Speaker 4>of that, because I think that, especially as a woman,
<v Speaker 4>it's so easy to kind of lose out when you're
<v Speaker 4>you know, going through breakups or or all the things
<v Speaker 4>we need to navigate through. And so you know, just
<v Speaker 4>remembering how awesome you are.
<v Speaker 9>Sweet there you go, typical you always wanted, which you
<v Speaker 9>can't help.
<v Speaker 3>So news moved sudden, miss me.
<v Speaker 8>So bad, saying maybe we should try against try to
<v Speaker 8>get a right against san do we have to be done?
<v Speaker 8>I don't know what I took about them And honest
<v Speaker 8>sagay coming from cause it'll.
<v Speaker 3>Awu miss my kiss and miss me keeping you up
<v Speaker 3>one night. It'll owu.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not they're losing me?
<v Speaker 3>What make me lose my mind? You ain't gonna find nobody.
<v Speaker 8>Might be the Indiana lad an imma's going to beat.
<v Speaker 3>It's owu, it's a.
<v Speaker 8>I want me back to.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how much of the song you want.
<v Speaker 4>So good?
<v Speaker 2>What kind of guitarist that it sounds amazing?
<v Speaker 4>Oh, this is like a Martin. I love Martin acoustics.
<v Speaker 4>This is like kind of like an O.
<v Speaker 3>M twenty eight. I love Martin so much.
<v Speaker 2>Sounds great.
<v Speaker 1>I love that you can talk just guitars and gear
<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff. I was born. We did a
<v Speaker 1>show together a few years ago. It was an acoustic
<v Speaker 1>show and I watched you build a track from scratch
<v Speaker 1>with the with the stunt, with the blue pedals and whatever.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, dang it, man.
<v Speaker 2>That was probably one of the last shows that we
<v Speaker 2>did with you. It's been so long ago.
<v Speaker 1>That's it was. It was. There was hate, there was
<v Speaker 1>hay Stacks involved. I remember.
<v Speaker 2>It was an outdoor thing radio show.
<v Speaker 4>All of the crazy shows we have played, like when
<v Speaker 4>we think of like some of the radio shows we've
<v Speaker 4>played at, some of the craziest, most random locations.
<v Speaker 2>Right, What's what's the strangest place that you've you've played?
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my gosh, I mean.
<v Speaker 2>I have played.
<v Speaker 4>Probably some of the weirdest ones. I mean you have
<v Speaker 4>like all sorts of like tailgate situations, which are always
<v Speaker 4>like kind of questionable, like all different sorts of affairs.
<v Speaker 3>But I was.
<v Speaker 4>Playing a radio show and it was at a hot
<v Speaker 4>tub conference.
<v Speaker 2>And so.
<v Speaker 4>Had a booth in between all of these hot tubs stands,
<v Speaker 4>and so you could hear like that I was going
<v Speaker 4>with the dell on either side of me, and then
<v Speaker 4>there was a little all me just standing there playing
<v Speaker 4>in between some hot tubs, and they said I was
<v Speaker 4>going to get a hot.
<v Speaker 3>Tub out of the deal, and I never ended up
<v Speaker 3>getting one. I did not.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not the owner of a hot tubs, so I
<v Speaker 4>missed out on that. But but yeah, it was definitely
<v Speaker 4>one of the weirdest shows.
<v Speaker 3>What about you guys.
<v Speaker 2>The one that pops into my mind was it was
<v Speaker 2>a Carrie Underwood show at at in the parking lot.
<v Speaker 2>We're in the parking lot and right next to us,
<v Speaker 2>literally maybe forty feet away, was a karaoke stage.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, amazing that close that was going amazing at
<v Speaker 1>the same time, Yes, it was like are you going
<v Speaker 1>to kid way, You get down the fiddle and you
<v Speaker 1>get down the bow and you're singing over that crap,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, what the hell was going on?
<v Speaker 2>It was so it was so bad, Oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>But then there was also there was a parking spot,
<v Speaker 2>like in a outdoor shopping center. Yep, a parking spot
<v Speaker 2>right in front of like a Hogy restaurant.
<v Speaker 1>Or it's so demeaning.
<v Speaker 4>I once played inside a Walmart, like in like right
<v Speaker 4>beside terrible the bra section.
<v Speaker 3>And then they like built a stage and then there.
<v Speaker 4>Was like like I don't know, like jewelry or whatever.
<v Speaker 4>And I was like playing inside a Walmart and I
<v Speaker 4>was like, wow, I really hate it.
<v Speaker 3>Mom, look at my that.
<v Speaker 1>Just does that just make it what? It just a
<v Speaker 1>was just like you know what, it's not worth it.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing this crap. I'm going to go back
<v Speaker 1>to school.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, those are the days that it really like
<v Speaker 4>takes the determination to be like okay, that's when you
<v Speaker 4>know it. When I'm thanking the world for my four
<v Speaker 4>Grammy Awards, I'm gonna be like, Okay, I remember that
<v Speaker 4>day playing in the underwear section of.
<v Speaker 1>Walmart because we've all done it. I played the Pumpkin
<v Speaker 1>Patch one time and it was literally there was no
<v Speaker 1>one there. It was just me before Shawna, it was
<v Speaker 1>just me. I got hired to play the Pumpkin Patch
<v Speaker 1>and it was just me and pumpkins. And it was
<v Speaker 1>the most it was the most. I made one dollar
<v Speaker 1>in tips. I'm not sure who felt bad for me.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a pumpkin, but I did get a cook come.
<v Speaker 1>I got to bring home a couple of pumpkins, so
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of nice.
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's good.
<v Speaker 1>That was something you probably did them grow right?
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe don't they say that singing the plants is Lindsey.
<v Speaker 1>This has been so much fun and I don't want
<v Speaker 1>to I don't want to take up any more time.
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe we didnt going this long me either
<v Speaker 1>that all the time, it.
<v Speaker 3>Just feels like we're catching up.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I love Benny Brown is like all of
<v Speaker 4>our grandfathers, and he's been a part of, you know,
<v Speaker 4>our careers from the very beginning. And I just love
<v Speaker 4>that you guys are getting to make music with him again.
<v Speaker 4>And I'm just so excited.
<v Speaker 1>It's so weird. It's like it's all coming full circle
<v Speaker 1>after all these years. We had those hits there and
<v Speaker 1>then we left, we asked out and he starts a
<v Speaker 1>label and then we start talking again and all these
<v Speaker 1>people come back. So we're really looking forward to it.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm really really proud of you. I think I
<v Speaker 1>think you're an amazing woman. I think you're an amazing
<v Speaker 1>artist and a positive light in the world of just
<v Speaker 1>all this crap that's going on. I never hear anything
<v Speaker 1>bad about you, and it really really bothers me.
<v Speaker 4>Hey, knock on wood, I mean, just stay off that grinder,
<v Speaker 4>just not listen to the right corners.
<v Speaker 1>But I have to, really I have to look up
<v Speaker 1>some urban things just so I know what they are.
<v Speaker 1>Urban Dictionary, what just to define what things are. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what things are. I just talk.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, y'all, please go check out just go check out
<v Speaker 1>Lindsayel's music. It's available everywhere obviously, and follow her on
<v Speaker 1>our social media and said, lindsay thank you so much
<v Speaker 1>for doing this. We really appreciate. We miss you and
<v Speaker 1>we love you, and hopefully we will get to write
<v Speaker 1>one day.
<v Speaker 3>I would absolutely love that.
<v Speaker 4>I miss you and love you and cannot wait to
<v Speaker 4>actually hang in person and see your giant puppy and
<v Speaker 4>your other two dogs and your and Cooper.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need to come. Just make a trip and
<v Speaker 1>come out here to the country where we're at now,
<v Speaker 1>and we'll hunk her down and write for a while.
<v Speaker 1>All right, thank you so much.
<v Speaker 3>On all right, guys.
<v Speaker 1>Bye, Well that was awesome. Yeah, she's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. I love seeing her smiling face.
<v Speaker 1>She always freaking.
<v Speaker 2>She has an amazing energy.
<v Speaker 1>She does, and she is good, She's really good. It
<v Speaker 1>just you want her to have this big giant hit
<v Speaker 1>you want to pull for her. Yep, we've known it
<v Speaker 1>for a long time anyway, huge thanks to Lindsay l.
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Wheelers Ray Dissillary, who is our sponsor.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, try that sneaky pucker.
<v Speaker 1>Sneaky pucker to sneak up on you though. Y'all. Hey,
<v Speaker 1>this is Keefer, this is Shawna. We're Thompson Square and
<v Speaker 1>this is talking with Thompson Square. It's up podcast. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you so much, everybody,