#301 - Seaforth on Moving from Australia to the US and Being Lifelong Friends + Their New song “Break Ups” + America’s Fascination with Aliens…

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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode three oh one C four will be in duo Fantastic New Artists met him on the show a few months ago and they came in for a bit and they were just so good. And now I see they're trying to blow up a little bit. So they're in for about an hour. They talk about being lifelong friends, like before you know, they weren't even in kindergarten. Their new song America's Fascination with Aliens. We get into all of that, So you guys hang out there. The New Music Top five this week at number five for me, Lucas Nelson and Promise of the Real have a new album called A Few Stars Apart. Here's a new song called Perennial Bloom. At number four, Justin Bieber put out a Peaches remix. If you don't like this song, not just the remix, but in general, I think you're lying. Everybody loves Peaches. So here it is with Ludicrous Usher and Snoop. I give my pieces out in soug just Apple Bottom from New York origin Florida Vitam vitamin. What's interesting is these are old school rappers. Now, he could have got a bunch of new rappers like the Baby or Little Baby or Big Baby, but instead he went with Ludicrous, Usher and Snoop, which Ludicrous and Usher are both from Atlanta, which I get my pizza down in Georgia. Snoop is not, but it's kind of like an old school, old school throwback there. Number three, Lady A, they have a new song called Things He Handed Down. They also announced What a Song Can Do Chapter one, which will come out June. But here's a clip of things He handed down, All the things He handed down down Down. At number two, Zach Brown Band comes out with a new song. It's called Same Boat We're all Insane in Same One where the Same Time he sounds a little bit like Andy on the Office nd Dog Do Do Do Do Do Do? And number one Kylie Morrigan has a new EP called Love Kylie. Here's a new song called Outdoor Voices, Don't be Fake to keep the Down, Keep the down, Keep the Down. But I saw she just got engaged. I haven't met Kylie Morgan yet. I've maybe Instagram message here a couple of times, because back in the day I saw her open for Walker Hayes and I was like, hey, that's it's really good. She has a song called Cuss a Little. I think that's her from back in the day. Yeah, but she's coming in and we'll be on next week's episode if I'm correct, she will. So congratulations to her forgetting the coveted number one spot on this countdown that nobody really cares about. It's just music. I care about. Hims out. Ryan Adams got a new album. Is he still He's still creepy, right, but he's not as canceled anymore? Right? Yeah? Okay, Maroon five a f I garbagem goos all with new music. Letard Skinner perform Freebird last weekend at Golf Coach Jam. It was our first show and fifteen months founding guitarists Gary Rossington and the enduring Southern rock band headline the Florida Pepsi Golf Coach Jam. Here is a clip when the crowd els played Freebird. They actually can I've been to a couple of Skinner shows. Yeah, yeah, from Arkansas. What's that like? It seems you know, they play all the hits and they played that song at the very end, and it's like ten minutes long, and everyone puts out there. Well, back in the day, it was lighter and then I've been to a phone one too. Okay, Dark Smiley's having seven Peaks again. He announced the headliners. It would be him and Keith Urban get More, Old Crow Ran the House, or Travis Denning, Ingrid Andrews, Mark Chestnut, Pam till Us all among the performers. There. You've got a Seven Peaks website and see if you want to go in Colorado. Let's see if there's anything else. Fifteen years since Josh Turner's Your Man came out, so he's celebrating that. And the food Fighters and the Strokes are bringing shows back to New York City. They will play the first full capacity arena show Food Fighter as well in Masson Square Garden in June. Tickets will go on sell today if you want to go to that. All right, there's your your list, there's your music news. That's what's up. And with Mitch and Tom from Sea Fourth. Good to see you guys, Thank you for having us. You guys didn't drive over here together, though, did you did? You did? I'll admit you were late. Had use the restroom really quick. You know what's weird about the bathrooms because this is this this little place here's like a guesthouse like that. We live over there, but none of the bathrooms have mirrors. Did you notice there's no mirror in there? Actually didn't soap and water water was there soap, so there was no toilet. It was just like an empty room. I was like, is it just like an find a corner that work? That was a guest bedroom you were in that wasn't actually a bathroom. I was just just like a cool new way, like no, no, no, I can't. I think that might have been a mirror. No mirror. Nor the weirdo took him out when he we bought this place. He took all the mirrors out of this point. Really, he's like these mirrors of saying things, I need to take them with me. Yeah. I don't know who he thinks lives in a mirror, but he took them with them. Is the weirdest thing. Look at himself. You guys, do you live together right now? Yeah? So it's childhood friends, it's are you do you consider yourself best friends still brothers at this point? Yeah? And you live together? And do you guys have other halves? I don't. Oh yeah I have a girlfriend. Yeah, okay, And so does she live there, No, not with us. Did she stayed there a lot? Yeah, it's pretty like we split it up pretty evenly. But yes, Tom's that everything where you're like, all right, she's here way too much. No, I mean, we spend so much time together. It's like it's it's and I sometimes I have a bit of like separation. You know. We live on different levels of the house. And when we started with bunk beds, you used to have bumps, yes, and uh like you got a room for activities, you know, like wequod box every morning and stuff like that. But now we're on separate levels of the house just to keep things keep us saying, let me play a clip real quick. They do have a lot to talk about, but I want to play a clip of breakups here from Sea fourth everyone in my phone. And I feel like this is the first real push you guys are getting, like legitimately, you feel it from everywhere. And listen. I think when you guys came and played our show, people started to go, oh, holy crowd, these guys are so good. We have to we have to push this. Like you guys killed on my show. I didn't expect you guys to be as loon as you were. That's a backhanded compliment. Yeah, you guys don't look like but you came in and you were so good. And I remember, and I probably I probably shouldn't share this, but what I don't do a lot now in my world, I don't do a lot of fighting for a lot of music. Occasionally I will stick my neck out and now you guys came on the show, and so I don't talk to a lot of label people ever. And somebody extremely high up called me from your and they were like, so I did you think that was? And I was like, you know what, I did not have high expectations. It was. It was mostly to do a bit, you know, to do funny. Yeah, I said, but I don't think I've ever been as impressed as I was, not just how good you guys were, but how good the song was. And he said, and again, there's probably three or four people in your mind who it could be, and I will not tell you who it is. And he said, Okay, that's all I needed to hear. We're going for it, and thank you. No, I'm not saying this to taking me. I didn't do anything. I didn't anything but a book you on the show and to do it. But that the dumb bit, but you did know that didn't stop you. Guys. It's so cool to because I'm seeing it now, and so then I start to flip around and here it on satellite a little bit. I'm like nice, and then I see the labels like June June something, twenty something they're gonna push into radio. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just so happy to see it. Yeah, it feels it feels really good now I don't Yeah, it feels really special. Man. This song holds a lot of weight to us for a lot of reasons, and um, you know, to have this kind of push in this momentum with this song is really special. So thank you for for I don't think me. I didn't Again, I want to say it again, I didn't do anything, but you allowed us to play it on your show. But again, I thought you'd come in there, be fine and then we'd have some fun because they look like like Eddie and I definitely had no ability in picking what a roar egg is out of that. Yeah you want, you can have the first one, right, literally first one. I knew you'd do it too. We had a game for those that didn't hear the segment where we had ten eggs and we would take turns of having a neg against smashing against our head, and only one of them was raw. The rest of them were gonna be hard boiled, so they wouldn't religious go, they wouldn't smash, And Mitch grab is the one that is first. First egg grabs It smash egg everywhere, quickest funniest bit ever. So anyway, all that aside, I'm super pumped that you guys are like getting the real shot. Like so far, they've they've let you weight in a little bit. Yeah, it's like we've we've been around, like we've been here for like what four years now, since we saw at least the first music, So it's kind of like up and down like around and now they're putting some money behind you though. Yeah, and yeah, man, we've we've always worked super hard at this and I feel like this is you know, where we're We feel super ready to kind of do this, and so it's it's very special for us to have this moment right now, and we just want to make sure we capitalize and give it the best. You know. Let's go back, Let's go all the way back. You guys met each other and like, what are you in Australia? What's what's elementary school? Called? Uya? Middle school school? What's what's the age of elementary? Just like kindergarten through sixth Okay, so we we go kindergarten? You go, Naddy said kindergarten? Kindergarten? Do you say kindergarten? Now we didn't really pronounce our kind. But is it spelled kindergartens? Okay, got it, It's just kindergarten. Maybe I have like something wrong with It's a weird tongue situation. But yet kindergarten, middle school, I guess, yeah, high school, but it's kindergarten one grade? Yeah, okay, two years k one to know? For you it was two years. For the rest of us, it's one okay, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it was actually three, if we want to get into it, you guys, at what stage of your childhood life did you guys meet? We were three years old before school. We went to a preschool you call it. He was eating crayons. I think there's no way you remember that meeting already. I have no memories before five. I remember. We'll actually have videos that helped me remember, so that's probably what it is. But Tom was really begin too eating sand back in the day, like sand pit style, just like yeah, something with the texture. But we went to c Fourth Kindergarten, which was the town, which area suburb within Sydney where we met, and the kindergarten was called essentially if we were from Nashville, we would be called Green Hills. You know, so you meet then, but do you become friends or do you just know each other? We know each other. We had like play dates like our parents. Like, I don't even know how that gets. Your parents know each other? Yeah, yeah, through through the kindergarten, and I feel like it's like a thing that the parents are sun that the kids get along, so let's let's let's make them hang out kind of thing. And that's kind of like the age that we would hang out. I guess. Like I have a vivid memory of stealing one of Tom's Pokemon cards. That's like one of the earliest memories I have. Tom and I's going thut of his Pokemon collection and taking a card out of sleeper. I don't remember exactly what the card was, but that was serious. That's caused a lot of tensions. This might this might break right now you find out. I think it's the one that Jake had on his neck or was that when Mike was the Chars you're all nerds, great, that's all like all you guys. Um, So when did you actually become friends where it's like, Okay, you're my guy, We're going to be friends. We've been friends since we were young, and we've kind of always got along and laughed and like we made music together. We played music together through high school like a different events and stuff. But then after high school I moved to l A for a couple of years. Mitch was in Sydney doing his thing with a band, and then we started writing together around then, like twenty one ish in l A. When you were writing, were you writing online? Yeah? We wrote like we were sending songs back and forth via Skype, and then we kind of wrote once. But then I went back to Australia to visit my family and stuff one time when I was about one, and we wrote together and we're like, this feels like something really cool, and then we kind of just were like, let's just do this, like let's focus on this. Did you move to La to do music time you did. Yeah, and so ended up getting a job at In and Out Burger and that was kind of the peak, so that the l A trip wasn't good for you, No, I know it was, man. I didn't have a job at In and Out, but I did have a job at Big Wangs. But yeah, I had a place at a job at a sports park called Big Wangs. And I only realized years later what it was kind of been playing. You didn't know then You're working at a sports part that was named after a large penis. Well then it was like wings though as well, because it was known for its wings, and I was like wang. Yeah, So now I figured it out. And there's just a lot of revelation coming into my atmosphere today about the Pokemon card and Big Ones. It's just it's a lot to take in. You moved to l A to pursue a solo solo Yeah, yeah, we both did individual things and it was great. Man. I learned a lot there and made some connections with people I'm still friends with and stuff, and then yeah, but then this just felt like the right thing, and so I was like, we Nashville was the end goal, and so I was like, I'm going to move back to Australia, focused on this for a couple of years with the end goal of moving to Nashville. And so what kind of band were you in match back in Australia. So I started a band when I was like I think twelve thirty, and it was like rock, just like like a punk rock band or straightforward. Honestly, it was kind of like we were playing like like almost Fleetwood Mac style ish kind of music, like soft rock classic and as thirteen year olds, which is kind of weird, but like we just loved just it was just like garage stuff, like messing around. We do band competitions and okay, I think we won one band competition, which was the peak. And at that age I was like this is it. We're gonna be massive, like this is everything. And then something's happened the band fell apart, and then I was like just things happened, they grew, aren't it here? You know, realized we were not talented at all. And then you're playing the instruments to a thirteen tom When did you start? Yeah, I started playing guitar when I was like nine. Okay, who put it in your hand? And why he was the child he was the child prodigy. Are you really? And this and my story kind of links with him, which is kind of funny, but like I was looking up to Tom. But I remember my first day at school Tom at high school. It was like year five for us. I think we're like ten years old, and Tom did a performance for our the whole grade because we're in in the same grade. And I think you did like smells like teen Spirit or something like that with your Blue Squire or whatever it was. You play smells like teen Spirit alone. I did smells like taine Spirit. And I think I did the anthem by God the anthem and told me do that, And like I knew Tom was an artist. This is before i'd ever like I had sang, but I didn't. I didn't play a tar at all. And I remember seeing him being like I need to do this too. I was like, I'm going to do this. So he kind of like inspired me at that age to get involved, and I was like, I don't know if it was jealousy, probably a healthy, like motivated jealousy of like I want to do that, be able to do that too. So then I was learning I was never as good as as as Tommy. But then we would start to play like school functions and stuff. We was the first collaboration like parent teacher cocktail parties when we're like thirteen fourteen, and then people like, you guys are cool, and I feel like I was the first one that like hinted like we should like team up sometime and like and he was like, no, never, No, I never said that. So who does most of the singing? Because when you guys saying in front of me, you both sang yeah, But what's the rule with you guys on that we essentially have these with a couple of sets of boxing gloves, and when we write a song, we get the gloves out and just kind of and he's my stronger than I am, so he ends up winning most of the time, and some of the chorus is therefore um no, I mean the way that we've just kind of figured it out is like the identifiable thing I think is like Mitch singing the chorus, because it's like you can you know, if you switch it out like too much, it becomes like, I don't know, the Mit sings chorus, And then we'll kind of trade off verses or prey or whatever, and then like harmonies, but it's super everything we do is like super collaborative and it's like a very like the fact that you were both singing versus that was super cool. Yeah, regardless of who's singing the chorus, like you you literally have two lead singers and at the end of the day the court, we're both singing the chorus. We we wanted to have a prominent in the record that, like Tom's parties, is like very easily hurt. It's like we're both sharing and it's like we're hard nizing in the whole time. But also another cool thing is like Tom's guitar ability and like having his guitar personality also shine out, like as we grow and can like a budget around shows, it's like revealing him as an incredible guitarist. City is as well, are you really good to playing the guitar? He really still be horble. I'm asking a real ques and I don't know, I don't like, I don't know I would. I know I've played for a long time, so I feel comfortable, but I feel like I'm here's the thing. I feel like maybe it's being Australian and I've struggled with this for a while. I'm really bad at letting people know that I do what I do. Like I produced breakups in like ill spare room, you know, and I'm producing this stuff for us now, and like I said, everything is very collaborative. But it's like I'm really bad at like being like, here's me playing guitar, like he like, you know, we're producing or anything like that. So it's like funny, so I get weird talking. I almost have to be like force you to be like you need to like show off here, like let the people know like you're good. Like it's a bit Dan smires Ish, he's a close friend of mine. Yeah, for sure, you wouldn't that guy. He will go into a room at six in the morning and you might see him that day. You might his wife might see him that. Yeah, yeah, and you can attest it. I literally we live in the same I wake up and I walked downstairs and I sit in the in the studio room in the house, and I will do anything from making like trap beats of like having a girl are to like working on Seaforth stuff too, like just playing like doing whatever. But I'm kind of the same and I don't know and and in that group because she is the one that's singing the big parts of the songs people like dang Sha, they have no idea that Dan is as instrumental. Like they're walking right beside each other, like it's it's like the working like the partnership that it's necessary. And Dan doesn't go, hey, look at my Superman on my chest. He was just like, I'm doing what I'm doing because look what we're doing together. And that's that's a better what it's like with you do exactly man, Yeah, for sure. And it's like it is that way, and I feel like they would probably say the same thing that it's like it wouldn't be forth without both of us, and it wouldn't be them without both of that. Like it's like that kind of thing, and we're super like, you know, I'm never ever precious about anything, Like it's like we know that and we I'm just sometimes bad at letting people know that I do what I do or we do what we do so well, luckily Mitch tells everyone, So you guys are all caught up there. He was gonna wear his I'm Great T shirt today, but it was in the wash isn't it. You guys had more disagreements as roommates living life or as artists together, when have we It's weird. I don't think we have any like big disagreements. I feel like luckily musically we're all kind of like it's always been like the same vision, same never though, do we cut this song? I don't. I don't think this little song or like you drank too much milk, you put it back in there's no milk left. That's a big problem. I don't think. I started labeling my milk in the fridge just in case. But I only did that one time and we were all good. That was that You guys are given off this fairytale vibe that it's great in both place. I'm just not buying that, honestly, man, have not like everything that we're doing. It's like we have the same focus, the same ideas for where we wanted to go, and it's always like, yes, this line's up, this is great, which might be scary because maybe we're maybe with you for a big just one step. Boy. When you're a kid and you're really good at something tom like like playing the guitar, when did you are to actually be pretty good at playing and you can pick it up and go, Okay, I can actually make make songs. Um. I mean I kind of always was trying to do that, and I think from like a young age. I mean I used to think I was like good, and then I look back now and I'm like I wasn't, you know. But I feel like I kind of got comfortable with it around like seventeen eighteen, where I felt like I could like play parts and like kind of track things and be more creative like that. But yeah, man, I've always just that's literally been the only thing I've ever known how to do, is like make music. I don't do anything. I can't change a tire, I don't fit like Mitch grew up fishing. I don't do any of that. I literally just like make music. And when you're ten years old, did you play guitar? Yeah? Could you play songs? I learned like a C D C songs. When you can play a song at ten, you could take a music book. Yeah, I was entering like busking competitions, you know, Like but but I feel like people don't bust in the US, but like, yeah, it's like straight performing whatever. But I was entering busking competitions when I was like ten eleven and like I would like won a couple and it was much like the Young Kid Factor as well. Busking competition though, is it who can last for ten days without dying? Right? It was confusing things, conditioning technically not busting playing. It's essentially like yeah, yeah, it's essentially watching like local buskers would enter this competition and whatever. And like I remember, I got up and I sang a tribute by Tenacious D and then I did like Stairway to Heaven and I was just like like young, like ten eleven year old kid, and I feel like it was like the Kid Factor where everyone's like, oh, not like nice, but yeah, one checks. I want a thousand dollars dude to have this massive checks, like thousand bucks. I was like, I'm so rich. Yeah you were there? A thousand thousand bus to ten is like yeah, that's like four pokemons, right, yeah, I did. I invested it in dogecoin. I look at listen, don't get me started. I'm way down on dogecoin right now. You're down. When did you get in? Um? I got in when it was about fifty two cents stude we got in at point zero seven cents point zero Wait, what is it? No, it's at seven I was going back down to thirty seven. Yeah, oh dude. It was not a great I got in. I think it's peak got you, yeah, because then I had that moment, but it had a huge moment. I was like all right, yeah yeah, and then it was like I love how we're saying we got in. We we we put like a hundred dollars, but it's it's at thirty four right now. But yeah, we got into like zero zero seven hundred bucks. Then so and then they're like, we want one point two million. Do you still have your hundred bucks in Yeah? Yeah, I'm just leaving like if I lose the dollars in mine too. Yeah, and I don't have to the moon diamond hands today the two times for me though, today's return I have made today A hundred dollars went up. That is powerful for today. Yeah. I get on robin Hood. Yeah, we're on the robin Hood. Girl Hood has done pretty well today too. I don't have any bit quin Well that's the one though, that's really gonna last right right, Like was just gonna be funny. Yeah, go up, and date. It's like a thing for me that if I can look at it in ten years and I'm like, Wow, I made a million dollars, that's amazing. Or I lost a hundred dollars. Oh yeah. But let's say it hits and you have two hundred thousand dollars in there, and one hundred bucks goes to two hundred thousand. You're probably selling half of that, right, Yeah, at what point do you? I want to take half because then if I'd lose it all, then I'm upsetting myself. So I do half and then see what happens after that. Okay, we just there's a whole financial trategy, so we could take from this podcast live a great life. That's why we're here, actually, yeah, just to talk about that. So I'm glad we made it. You guys getting ready for the you guys who went out with Jordan Davis. Yes, it's full, that's pretty cool. Huh. How many shows is that? You know? Eighteen? I believe how many? Seventeen or eighteen? Sometimes when you say words I don't know, I can we get a translation. What's funny is a little bit I do. I do all right with you guys, because I have a really close friends Australian who moved over to play music, and she lived with me for a while. She toured and opened for me when I was doing stand up for a long time. But she would just always talk and it's like a learned yes. It's like I'm yeah, I kind of know what what your ridiculous things are now. Yeah, I went over there. And here's the weird thing about when you guys would come back and fourth seventeen or so, you guys start coming back and forth. Is that right? We moved officially in seventeen, coming back and forth like fifteen. Okay, so how many times a year though? Before I tell you my story once maybe twice, sometimes to majority once because we have to save up money. And we went, okay, if I thought you were gonna say us like every month, I was going to tell you guys, that's the longest freaking flight. Oh dude, is pain pain? It sucks, And like my ankles were hurting. It was so I was dehydrated, my legs hurt. Do you sleep on planes? Um, I've gotten better at it because there there was a span of about six months. We're the only sleep I was getting for the most part was on planes because just traveling work. Yeah, but I don't like sleeping up, and I used to take sleeping pills, but I was afraid I was gonna wake up, like or or someone's gonna put me in jelf like pooping the aisle because it happened to me, and it's tough. It's tough, and it just goes straight down the back and everyone's like, why it's a seat swell up like balloons, and I'm like, I'll wake up and I'm like, my shoes are going to explode. That's what I was saying with my legs, my toe nails or something. Longest longest flight, lovely country, great country, longest yeah, Haines flight. You would fly over like tell me what you do though, because you save up money? How long do you come over here? And then what do you do while you're here? So we have a three month visa. It's a holiday visa, is what we're allowed. So we could do three months. We're not all out of work or make any money out here. We could just go. I think technically there was some weird stuff about even writing with people because we're creating something that they could that many but they're not like they're not like they're not cracking down, but we would just come out right music, come back, like spend everything that we've saved up, and then we would do we would do weddings in Australia. We do weddings and cover gigs and we get up and we'd sing Valerie every every you know, four times a week. Yeah, just like the cover circuit in Australia. The song we're sing like all the all the classics, dude and um, we would do, you know, three gigs, four gigs a week, say've about money and come out here, spend it all, go back broke and do it again. Although I don't think Valerie is a classic here, Mike, you don't it is? Yeah, it is. The songbook probably different, it's probably different. So Valerie is Valerie is like the first, like the start, like the first, like dance set of a wedding when the band kicks in it So always du Valerie, what's the mellet thinking? Sometimes I go up by myself, I don't know across the water. I don't ever heard that, like why don't you come? You don't know what? Oh dude, it's a classic in Australia, very weddings and and stuff. Is that a horn you're doing? Yeah? Nice, trumpet's good. We that was a big part of the set too. What's the trumpet do we play? We played an acoustic shot a couple of custic shows eddies at the other Way and literally in one of the songs on the first and I was like, trumpet solo, like just whatever, he's like it just rips it. That's pretty good though, it's not bad. So you come over for three do you say the full three months? Yeah? Where do you? Two questions? You can answer it all together. Where do you stay? And then how do you line up rights? Because you've been living in Australia? Yeah, okay, so do you know the dumpster out behind McDonald's on Nolan's Fille. Anyway, it's got nothing to do with this, but I just want to make sure you know, well you can you may as well take well no, I mean we we stayed in airbnb's wherever, you know, wherever we could afford. And uh a friend of mine from l A who used to work at a licensing company that I was working with. Her name is Katie. She now works at Wanner Chapel. She's amazing, but she booked us writes when we first started coming out, and uh, we was super stoked, man, like from the beginning, like there were people just right like we're just two random dudes from Australia and we're writing with people like Jeffrey Steele and all these other like amazing writers around town. We're like, how are getting him with these people? But yeah, man, we had like one champion in the beginning and then just made some friends and we stayed on that champions couch for for a month or so a couple of times and did you're right anything good while you're out here? We wrote? So we wrote stuff first when we'd come out, we'd write, um, we go back home and we produced the demos in ours and the first I think we put together like four songs that we thought, like accurately cat should what we were doing and what we where we wanted to head. And we took those songs we had written here producing back in ours when we came back out. This when our manager at the time and sent him out to all the labels in town, and that was stuff that we'd written here, and I think it was I'm not sure if any of those songs are still in contention. Yes, some of them we might have gone us and maybe got you in competition, but they exactly right. They got us into the door. That's essentially got us the record deal. And then we started writing just so much more and progressing um over like the next year as we as we lived here, and then we kind of just surpassed those songs. I think, did you get a deal and then move here, or did you move here and get a deal. We had to get a deal to move here, and so it was funny, man. We yeah, we we needed to get our visa, so um our label sponsored a visa, but we got the deal and it was a crazy, like the whole two week experience was wild. But we ended up signing with Sony and then we flew back to Australia and we were like, we're going to be back within six weeks. We just got to get approved and like we planned this farewell show and canceled all the wedding gigs and stuff, and then and then the visas ended up taking like six and a half months, and so we had to read book weddings and we had to say well show and then ended up sticking around for like now the five months and people are like, you guys actually leaving. Yeah. Yeah. People started thinking that we we're just lying about the deal. One time in the first grade, I was my my mom said, hey, we have to move schools, and as a young kids are like corp. She's like, we're moving schools. Tell your teachers this would be the last day. And so I go and I'm like, hey, Friday's even the last day of My mom says we have to move. And so the teachers like, okay, on Friday with the on your party, it's on Friday. They had this big party for me and it's fig It's great, fantastic. I'm like, wow, I never felt so loved in my life. And so I go home like that to be a big party. Saturday comes she goes oh, she goes, hey, the house were moving to. We can't move into it. We gotta go back to the school. Yeah, so you have to go back. And remember being humiliated, and I was like, do I have to go back? She was like, yeah, you have to do, just like for good and so it was was there another year, but I had to go back. I showed up on I showed up Monday, They're like, wait, why are you here? And I was like and then they started thinking, I like just did the whole thing for for the party and sympathy, so like I felt that, like, like, so it takes six months for you guys to be able to get back. Is it six months where you know it's going to be six months or was it like, okay, this week, can we go? It was a little bit like that. I think we were just hounding, had the application finished, ready to go, and then the person that put our application got fired or left the company. And then the person that was overseeing it said, look, she kind of did a half host job. We can't use this. We have to do with the whole thing again. So they went and read it it and we're like sitting there like, okay, a couple more weddings, It's all good. But it was fine, would you do a wedding just you two or do you have a four band? We had a full band. Tom would play bass, I'd play electric, and then we had like keys, drums, and it would like the rotation would change. The girls quirt sometimes come and join and seeing player. I gotta imagine though, because I would read stories about the Beatles in Germany, they would just play this one one club and they played for like five six hours, yeah, sometimes longer than the same. They do cover songs and they said something they had to just do them again. They played for three four hours and started and the same. I would just imagine there's kind of like a music school you go through that almost as needed by every artist. It's like when someone plays on Broadway. Yeah, because a lot of folks come through here, they played on Broadway. They are now big stars now where they're like ot to play four hours and I had to play anything I knew. I would think playing at weddings as that. Yeah, yeah, And it went through that the whole thing, like obviously, like when it comes to you know, starts on Broadway, I'm like, I feel like we did our Broadway stint, but in Australia, like we were playing it multiple different bars, venue, small acoustic places to the weddings and stid multiple years. We literally signed the deal with Sony and it was such this high and we had this amazing trip, amazing experience, and I flew back and I had a gig booked from before we'd come over, before we knew we were signing anything at this like Diggers club in a straight like this like RSL. It's essentially likes it's like a war memorial, war memorial kind of club, like a lot of like older like families and stuff all go. And it was like with a friend of mine and it was like, who nights after I got back this amazing trip and I go and I set up at this p A and there's like three people in this old like club sitting there. I'm singing like They're like, can you play easy? And I'm like, oh my gosh, Like this is just the most polar opposite worlds right now, Like it's crazy. I have to imagine to the sense you're from Australia, the first question that people want to know when they don't know much about you is, hey, something something something Keith Urban right, isn't Don't you walk into that question almost immediately with yeah, yeah, yes, it definitely freaquents And then we we also like bring ourselves into it too, because it is right, like he is a huge part of a why we know what Nashville is and why we were introduced to country music, so it makes sense and like we definitely speak about that, but it is like the easiest first thing to bring up. For sure. Keith and I are friends, Yeah, I would say more than friendly, but less than like best bud. He's here long enough, right right, but we're in that stage where like Avenue show that just came out and he watched all four episodes. He was like, dang this Strugs are freaking good. Yeah. Um, And so we'll send each other music and stuff. And when I went to Australia, he text me and he happened to be in Australia at the same time. He's like, hey, come come over, and so I go over to his house and I'm like, hey, I was looking on I said to him. I was like, I was flipping to the channels here and I was looking on the radio and I couldn't find like a country music station and you can tell me if it's changed. But he was like, you're really not going to because I also heard his song that was country here on the pop station. Yes. Yeah, And I said, said, what's up with that? He goes, well, country now for the most part in Australia, if you're gonna find it's almost like an A M station and it's gonna be a lot of Australian band Australian based, like traditional Australian countries and it's more traditional, yeah, and he said, so to make it, yeah, that's what he said. So to make it kind of country, you gotta kind of be pop or to cross. And so I was like, well, that's interesting that like mainstream country doesn't really have a home yet and yeah, you guys, then why how did you get to country music? And that's and that's the funny thing, and that's what we always say, And is I feel like you in hearing that fully understand what we usually say, which is like you don't find true music unless you look for it, particularly growing up in like metropolitan Sydney. Like and so when we discovered Keith, like I heard Golden Road that album when it came out, and I was like, this is incredible, Like what is this like? And I know it's the same thing for Mitch, and it's like that was like the first discovery of like this feels like what we're trying to do, you know, like even like playing guitar and like the guitar solos and the lyrics and the storytelling and from there we like dive down the rabbit hole and discovered all these other artists and different things. But Keith was like the door because he's kind of like the hometown hero, you know exactly. Yeah. Can you play guitar? Yeah? Oh yeah, sounder himself as much as I do, So you're a decent rhythm for his lead terrible rhythm but if but if ye, because he can he can? Yeah he can? Yeah yeah yeah I can, I can, I can, I can do some things. But he's just he's he's just like that. So is your job? Then as you're playing, are you mostly holding down the rhythm part? Finally enough, when we play acoustic, I play the not so much eat like, I'm not ripping solos, but I'm doing like the parts. But then when we get on stage with a full band, I'm on acoustic, he's electric and he's doing all that. That's when he actually gets to like so defined again that's one and then play guitar. Yeah yeah, yeah. So he got in trouble for that back in ours, but apparently people are cool with it over here. No reference. That's what it sounded like, and that's why I regretted saying it immediately. He definitely does not on stage no, I didn't, but I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out. Yeah, yeah, if you would have that's not a term here, so you know, he say, I like people know, like you're like that kind of that technically if you like, but that's not anyway that's what the term you'd say. But you can also like we also just say stupid stuff that doesn't make it's not the actual meaning of it. But like we were like he's playing guitar and he's like ripping it. Like I'm like on the guitar, you know what I mean? What we will do with this part of the thing. Michael put bleeps over this. Yes, people can just figure out what you just said. Amazing, But he's what would you call it? I ald always say having a rip? Yeah, I just I just yeah, I guess I don't know. I play Yeah, when he actually plays and then acoustic is well, I kind of like just do the parts? Do you guys telling your twenties? Yes? What held you? Yeah? Same? Yeah? Man, you guys are I mean, that's that's great. It's the perfect day to just get a deal and just get started. Like it's fantastic. It's funny, man, it does feel like we've been kind of I'm like, I'm getting old, Like we're old enough to know better, but you've still got a lot of good years before people start to look at you unfairly and go and they're kind of old, right, And I feel like, like you say, like it does feel like you know in this song God willing and you know, hoping all things go the way that we hope they do, like is hopefully going to be the you know, a door that helps open, you know, really kicks you know, the future for us because man, like yeah, like we said, we've literally known each other our whole lives and like could not be more genuine and serious about this. It's like people kind of sometimes being like, oh, like where did you guys come from? Like what to do? Like you know whatever, and it's like this is like we're literally like lifelong friends. We have photos as like six year olds and like playing soccer together and stuff, and it's like, you know, so you know, every moment is really special and like I heard breakups on um terrestrial radio just randomly in the car the other night for the first time, like just you know, and it was like it was so emotional for me. Man, like I literally started crying. I was like, this is insane that like I had to think because it's like the past year and everything, like this is such a moment, and like I called my family back home, I called my friends, and I was like, this is just insane to me that like, you know, it kind of reminds you like where you have been and where you are now, and it's like that's pretty cool. There are three levels of getting your music played on white each of them are super cool. And first of all, to get put on a big playlist, it's cool. So if they're like like hot country on Spotify, you guys been on that yet? Yeah, And that's cool because you're like, Okay, I made the big play list. You get some screens, maybe people discover me to this list, um, and there's like you know, songs and hopefully somebody just hits play and comes across. Like that's like that's like the first one where you're like, Okay, feeling freaking good about this because sometimes I just put some random crap on there that I'm like, why is this even on here? And most of the time they do a really good job, and they do they do you know, kind of curate a good list. The second one is satellite because they have to there's only they can play anything and ratings don't matter. But they only have so many slots. So that's cool, and that's like level two where you're like, this is freaking cool, and that's we get people like stending in there. But three is because normal radio, to restore radio, only has so many spots and they have to get ratings if they play I say, they like I don't pick and play music, right, So I do say that because I don't program. Yes, if they pick a song that's a that's a real turn, people will change it and that will affect their livelihood, like program director. So that's why programs are so tight with songs now more than ever before, because one, it's hard to keep a job in anything creative. And then too, if you play a song that you can look and everybody turned it off, you're bossing, like why did you play that stupid song? Yeah. The fact that you're now getting played on that's the next big step. That's fantastic. And all of them are equally great and they're all just in different ways. And so for you to experience all three now, like I love it for you guys, and it's it just feels it's like, you know, you can't prepare yourself for it until it's like actually happening. And I turned it on the station completely by accident, and it wasn't like because a p M. Look at it now. I literally flicking through ding the beginning of the song, I'm like, yeah, that's quickly, go listening, like, I don't think it can count natural whenever. So, because I'll see some of my friends who artists, be like, all right, I'm gonna go to the station in Rochester. I want to do an interview and they're like, okay, gonna play it. As they're like, okay, go to your car and turn it on. I'm gonna play and they're like hearing myself on the right end of the first time, that doesn't count. And we did have that without like our first single I remember, which was still special, but like a complete accident, which also happened on we had on Sirius for the first time only two weeks ago as well. I could been playing for a minute after her random is amazing, right, first headline shows over a year? Yeah, actually, ever, we haven't headline before after the final show driving back turned serious on. It was literally like the song had started, Like Peter, I managed love it. I thought he was just playing on his iPod. It just begun and I was like, that's so incredible. That's the best. When they were just playing it and they're not playing it because you're listening, they're playing it for everybody else to hear. That's exactly right, and congratulations, thank you. Who is this guy in here with you right now? This is Pete. That's the guy. Can you turn that? By the way, it is has balls in here. I guess we didn't turn. There's there's five of us in um. Pete, come up to the microphone for a second. Let me ask you a couple of questions. Are you Australian? Okay? Thank god? Too much. You may not even need those because I'm gonna plenty clips. You can just listen to me. Uma. We have another chair there for you. Pete. How tall are you? Pete? Seven? Fool? Fool are you? You're a big guy? Right? Yeah? Okay, so let me describe Pete to your six three is when a button up shirt with a collar. He's got a kind of a cropped hair. Dude, good looking fella, very um, very generous face, like you know he's gonna be pretty pretty nice, pretty nice. Like how long you've been managing these guys? It's been about a year and a half. Now, how did you get into business with them? Well? Um, so I work at a management company with a guy named Bruce Kelmick. What's the company called? Why and How? Okay, don't you know Bruce? And I do not? Who? And who else does Why and How? Manage? So we have like Chase Rice, Kelly Bannon, um a thousand horses real acts? Yeah, great, listen, I don't I'm not that cool. So it's the fact that I don't know. It doesn't mean anything. I'm an idiot. So you're you're at wine now, and were you managing somebody else? I have another artist on Warner. His name is Tyler Braden. Okay, I know of him, former firefighter. Maybe that's a whole other day. We're here for C four. So you're managing Tyler Brandon and do you get the email? Like my management company which I managed my red Light, someone will come in and go heay, we found this guys pretty cool and won't take a meeting and say if they like them. Did that happen with these guys or did you kind of get onto them yourself? I actually found him, Um, it was on Spotify randomly and Nice I was talking with Bruce and I was like, dude, I've been looking for a duo. And so they were on the Mitchell Tempani tour at the time, and I was like, I'm flying to Detroit. I'm gonna go see these guys. So you flew to Detroit even though they lived here and you lived here. Nice, did you tell him you because because I know it's a different element when you're here, Like there's so many industry people around him all the time, and it's just like then it's like a bunch of sharks in the water. And I was like, I want to go meet these guys on the road where it's it's going to be just me and them, and uh it was. It was awesome and we hit off right away. Did they know you were coming? Yeah? Okay, did you guys playing? You turn it up a little bit level level? I think we played even worse. Comte's really see if he wants to see how bad do you really want into a massive fight just to see? So you go up and tell me how this works. You go up because I only know my situation. Um, you go up and you see these guys and you go, hey, let me take you to dinner. When you get back in town, let's talk like what happens. Yeah, so I think, Um, I flew in late, so you guys were it was pretty much the show was starting. Yeah, so we got a little green green room hang, had a couple of drinks and uh, then they went on and I got to watch the show from front of house and I was like, wow, I just saw the out reacting. Um, because it was the time that Mitchell's Yours and Mitchell's song was out and it was starting to react. And what song was it? Anything? She says? And um, yeah, the crowd was just going crazy. And I was like, there's there's something special here. And it was basically what you were saying as well. And it's like they both sing, they both play, and it's like, okay, were you like me to we like, I bet it's gonna be good. But then you're like, oh, exactly good, gracious, that's better than good. Like you're a little bit shocked. I was shocked. It was I called Bruce Rose show. I was like, dude, we've got to get on these guys. And here's the annoying thing. You're also good looking like that, thank you? Yeah yeah, as a compliment, you're also good looking guys you would expect well, you know, we've modeled the whole look off to y'all so better looking. So you you you signed these guys, but what did you start doing with them? They hadn't been done yet covid Yeah, always right before as we started. So we signed them and they were in um they were playing CDC and they were in Scotland and heading to London and I was on the phone. I was watching the news and I was like, oh man, this is not good because they're not US citizen. You were there when it was half they were shutting things down. Oh yeah, And I saw Trump was on saying that they were gonna basically close the borders, and I was like, we've got to get them back because there if they're not citizens, they won't be able to get back. So I called them and it was like the first call I had to make to them as a manager. And they were like, I was like, you guys, gotta you gotta come home, dude. We just got over here. It was like just landed. It was like a life thing for me to go to, Like because you've been to England before, but I've never been. And I've always had this thing for like Ireland, Scotland and England. I always wanted to go. And we landed in London. I'm like, yes, I'm like poppy dog head out the window like stoked. I've got this itinerary plan, tongue flapping and uh. And then literally get to the hotel and we got a call and said you guys gotta come back. And we got to the hotel like seven pm, woke up it like four thirty am the next day, and flew home and I was devastated. This is literally as we started the new management. But thank god you called them. They closed the borders literally as we landed that night. As they landed, we were walking through the airport as Trump was like, we've shut off. So this is the first real time that you've had to work with them. Hey, what a great time to get in with them. Though they have a you had a lot to do this too, I'm sure like a great song. It it's not only is it really good, it's also produced really well, like it's just it's like the right piece of music, right piece of for right now. And so what are you gonna do different with Like what what's the plan for them? Like what do you see these guys doing. I think they're gonna they're gonna thrive now that live shows are back. I mean people get to see what they actually do. Is that what's strong for in your mind? And that the catalog of music that we have that's just waiting that they've been recording and working on over quarantine is I mean next level. It's so good. Is there anything that I've said that you disagree with? This inner you sow? I've been seeing sthing over there and it's hard to see. You got all these cameras in the way like anything where you're like, you know, it's kind of off there. No, not really, I mean they are really who they are, you know. It's it's a it's been honestly, like, I've been doing this for twenty years and it's really like a pleasure working with them. You look like you're like nineteen years old. Have you been doing this for twenty years? I'm forty two, But thank you? Well, Uh, we rarely pull a manager on here. But you know, I'm always interested to know whenever someone is going. And it made me cry, you got, you got? Do you have management at all? Before him? We have? Okay, so he's not your very first manager. And he's like he's like the guy that was taking to the next left. Yeah yeah, and it's like this is yeah, we've had our run. Yeah, well good for you guys. All right, well you can sit back down in the big chair. He was aching to get out of that, wanted to get away with the mind. So I was like, you go ahead, ut you're able to get la sick. The thing is at this point because you wear glasses like me, dark RUMs and I am very blind. At this point, I'm like, I kind of like the glasses now. I never wore glasses until I moved here. I'd always have bad eyesight, but I'd always work contacts. But I hated waking up in the morning and being like blind until I got to the bathroom and put contact lenses in. I just wanted something to wear. Now I'm like just so used to it and it's kind of become part of the image now. Also on the first on the single Sorry, the EP cover for the first EP. We put out the original photo Mitch didn't have glasses on, and Randy Goodman, ahead of the label, called us and was like, Mitch, we need a photo shop. He's like, where are your glasses. That's become the I was like, no, I completely get it, and he was, we're putting them on. So and then it's just become part of it. And now I'm like, now I'll be insecure if I don't have a glasses on. You are um slight and I'm not even joking. You're a little better look at than I. But I'm gonna say that you could but not have glasses and still be a good looking guy. I need glasses because I'm generic white guy. Like I'm just generic white guy. And so when I was younger, I loved Buddy Holly, who was yeah um. And then I'm a massive Weezer fan, and so as I look for nerds that were cool, I was like, man, those guys do it and their nerds and they're cool, and like I needed something and that's where mine comes. I'm also, my right eye doesn't work, it's like five percent, yeah, and I'm terribly color blind and my left eyes. So but these for me was all. It was almost like like a that's superhero costume. Like I put them on and I was like, you have this confidence. Yeah, you're like okay, people can't really see me. Yeah, I think too that like my fiance, I think she it hides how goofy my face is. I think she likes that. I think let me ask you this before we go, because for some reason, I guess we didn't turn the air down before you guys got here. We wanted to make it as Australia as possible. It's like the outback um is believing in aliens an American thing? Or do you guys do it over there too? Because I having a lot of UFO stuff, I will say I think it's more of an American thing because I think it exists. Its just everywhere I it's I mean technically though, I do believe that there's laughing out that d Actually I guess he just ends right there. It's like here's what I there. Thank you to say that that's what I hear A definitive point about. I think it's more of a like it's it's in the I mean also, I haven't been in Australian a long time, but like it's all over, like ah you TikTok and Instagram like all they like the new UFO stings, which are actually older videos that are just resurfaced, and it's like like propaganda and like everyone's talking about it here. I don't know if that happened as much back home, but maybe it's resurfacing everywhere and I'm only seeing it here because that's where I am. I feel like you're very much more into that. So I love I love space. I love things I we can't possibly know. Yes, I'm big on there's got to be a way to time travel, like I love time travel, and and just the fact that I look into the past. If you're light years away with a telescope, if we could do that, you'd be looking into the past. So and and I almost think if you can think it and survive long enough, it can happen, because there's really no thing that primitive man thought that hadn't happened, and we're just primitive man A little later. Yes, don't get me started. It's my thing, um, but thank you. I appreciate that. I'm all for it. One final question for you guys. If you go home, are you a big deal? Or did you only try to be a big deal here. We kind of focused on the US from the get go. Now, luckily, I feel like there are some people back home that I guess have followed along and have picked up about us along the way. But no, we definitely like had nothing. It was like, yeah, we started from the ground up over here. What's the one question when you walk into an interview you know they're going to ask and you're like, let's just get through it. Uh, dude, it's funny, there's not really. I feel like the Keith urban thing gets brought up a lot, but it's kind of expected, you know, and and we have a point to talk about it. So give it a year, give it a year. Yeah, actually, let's check in with us again because but here's the thing. It's great, this is where it's just started again. We were hitting interviews, yes exactly. That's why we're at a point now where it's like it's been we had a year completely off and now we're doing it again. So I'm like, anything, so we ask repeat it again? Well, you can ask the same question the same interview, and I'd be like, happily answer it again. We did a we did a series. We started a series on Instagram. Uh am I able to cost a light cost where we start an Instagram series called is It Shit? And the premises we go out and we find foods that we think look disgusting and we just try them like is it is it disgusting? Yes or no? And it's a great little theme song. So yeah, we got a lot of time and effort, but we do. We're so stupid, but we did. We did this little thing. We did like three episodes, and a lot of the interviews we've had in the last like a couple of weeks been like, oh, watch this thing where you guys eat these terrible foods and blah blah, and like we have had rights with like people in that like I don't know, think actually ship Yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know. Well, listen, I love to see I love to see that you guys are you know, you're you're ready to go and you have the right stuff to go with And those two things are hard to do at the same time. Sometimes you're ready to go and you have okay stuff and that doesn't work. And sometimes you have good stuff but that you're not ready. Um. And in the same vein of do you know, are there any questions that you're like, oh great. It's almost like you're gonna get so tired from overworking yourself, but you've gotta be so grateful that you get to be It's like you're just you'll be so blessed to be so exhausted. Ye, you're gonna be sick because you're running. And again I'm just speaking from experience. I run hard, and I get so piste off sometimes and I'm like, I have no time for myself. I have not, but I have to take a second. And this is my my sage advice I'm giving you know, I have to take a second when I'm exhausted and I'm cranky and I'm hungry to go. How lucky am I to be exhausted and cranky and hungry because I used to be exhausted and cranky and hungry and nobody cared. But you guys are that. You guys are hitting it right now, so I applaud you for that. I'm super pumped for the early success. And it didn't even start. Did It's going to radio June twenty one. I'm being told that Breakups is this is such a great song. I can't wait to see you guys live. I don't know how it will ever happen, but I can't wait to see you guys live. And you know, maybe you'll do something here or we'll be in some city at the same time. I would for sure come to that happens. But I want to play all the solos. And I'm left handed. Yeah, you guys, my left handed. I can't do it. Sorry, no, I'm only left hand. Here's my Keith Urbid story before we go. There's I know I have like good ones, but I give you one more good one. Um. I was interviewing Keith for like c M A Fast underneath the the football stadium. There's like a little spot we were in it, and so I had my guitar and I was doing a little funny songs and people and I was add it done, whatever it is, dope, you get it. And so Keith, everyone's like, I'm gonna do your impression. I might let me. Let me see your guitar. And I was like, well, it's left good, it's left handed. And he's like, we never really played left handed before. That wasn't good. And so he grabs it and I watched his eyes and his and you just he's kind of clunking around like and then it kind of clicks and he starts to go to and he's playing chords the other hand reverse he and he right then in that moment was a better guitar player than me left hand. That's good because then people will play left handed guitars flipped upside down. Yeah, like Jimmy Hendricks did that course, just flipped it because you didn't know how to switch it. And there's I used to break nuts on you know, because we're talking about on an acoustic guitar. For those there's there's a nut all the strings going to but those those groups are different size. For a little bit trying to switch the strings. Then I realized you just got to go and get a left handed guitar. But to watch Keith Urban do that left handed, it was creaking. Listen, you guys, glad you came by. It's a hot boxing here my swim running down my back and there's nobody to blame. I wish I could blame somebody. Sweat blame us um Instagram we are C four follow them check them out. We are C four Also, we are C four dot com. They're going out on the road with Jordan Davis, who is a good friend of mine. One time. I'm gonna give you one more story because this is funny. I'm like the old man Mike, who's got a story for everything for you. Jordan Davis was opening for me in Kentucky and I was doing an hour comedy set and I bring it along an artist to do music, and I said, all right, Jordan's come up. We're in maybe maybe Louisville or Lexington, one of the elves. We're out there and he's supposed to play twenty five minutes before I go on to do any more. And so I'm not even dressed. And I would wear the same thing every night because I didn't want to have to want color blind, and so I had the same outfit were white sleeve, button up shirt with short sleeves, skinny tie, black pants, read shoes every night. I knew it worked, didn't have to work picking out clothes, and so I wasn't even dressed yet I saw it hanging there in Jordan. I hear Jordan's all right, thank you guys, good night, and I'm like, what just happened? And he walks off and he's like hey, yeah, yeah, I'm like, hey man, what happened was I played my third song and I left, and I was like, what do you mean your third song in your left because thought supposed play three songs was played for thirty minutes and he goes, oh my god, I am so sorry. So that was it. It came off stage. That's incredible, and so I, um, we had somebody going like, hey, Bob, he's gonna be out a few minutes. That's so funny. So then in the middle of my said I made him come out and play twenty more minutes. So I so I did a really strong forty minutes. Jordan was like, give that guy play. I didn't pay ye. All right. We are C four dot com. The Jordan Davis Torre kicks off September nine in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It goes through December nineteenth. That wraps up in Boston. So go there. If you get a chance to these guys, if they're not doing their own stuff, to go watch that. Follow him on social media and you should do the bit with Jordan played three songs and walk off. Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, are C fourth. We are C four. Thank you guys. Hopefully you mate, thank you M