#610 - Meghan Trainor Reveals ‘All About That Bass’ Doubts, Her Live Performance Hot Take & No. 1 Country Song Stories

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Speaker 1: We were both in the session, both debating who should sing it, and I was like, bro, let's get to Rascal Platz cut you sing it. You sound just like them. And then I was like you should be an artist and he's like I am and I was like, oh, He's like you should be an artists and I was like, yeah, I want to be, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode six' ten of The Bobby. Cast on this, one we will talk in depth With Meghan, trainor who has a really interesting story of moving To nashville to be a. Songwriter all about that bass. Hits she's written multiple number ones for country artists while she's had number ones in the pop. World she just released an album Called toy With, me so make sure you go check that. Out big thanks To meghan for coming on so here she Is meghan Trainer, meghan good to see.

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Speaker 1: You, hi good to see. You thanks for having.

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Speaker 2: Me did you ever do or try out for any those idle the voice type shows.

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Speaker 1: Back in your early scared my Publisher Carlo wallace who back in the, day who was In. Nashville she would always tell me, like you should be on the voice And i'm Like i'm. NOT i don't have that voice LIKE i have like a pretty, voice But i'm a studio, rat LIKE i can TAKE i can re sing it and edit it and make it sound. Perfect i'm not Like whitney that wants to sing Or Ariana grande who can sing in the bathroom and just belt like a whole huge hit. Song SO i mean that's WHAT i feel LIKE i can't. Do so performing for me was always way too, scary AND i was, Like i'm Just i'd rather write a.

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Speaker 2: Song was it not about performing for? You way early? ON i, mean did you want to be a songwriter more than on a?

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Speaker 1: STAGE i THINK i was so insecure and so hard on myself THAT i didn't picture myself on stage like singing and dancing and having fun and people singing my songs with. Me BUT i would always perform growing, up LIKE i would perform my songs on my ukulele OR'd had behind a guitar or, piano and then with all about that. Bass that was the first TIME i had to sing and dance and do, everything and it was like such a this feeling to, me like such a weird new. Experience BUT i like loved, dancing BUT i never took a dance list in my, life SO i. LEARNED i learned WHAT i could, do and just kept proving myself for wrong and was, like oh my, God i'm kind of. Badass AND i was, like let's keep. Going AND i recently shot a music video for a new song Called shimmer that's very heavy, dance AND i trained for like weeks BECAUSE i. KNEW i was, LIKE i am not a trained dancer from. Birth i'm gonna have AND i want this to be a really hit dance heavy, video and SO i trained for weeks to like nail.

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Speaker 2: It how did you feel watching yourself back on camera once you finished the video or you were like watching takes of? It did you like watching yourself?

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Speaker 1: Dance we're all about that bass by That?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no the new one that you've the new.

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Speaker 1: One i'm. Hyped i'm so. EXCITED i can't at wait for everyone to see. It it's coming out with the Album april twenty, Fourth toy With. Me but this song is Called shimmer and she's she's a bibbity, bop she's. Upbeat she's kind of like me. Too my Song IF i was, YOU i want a baby and it's like her cool older, sister And i'm so. Proud it's my favorite music Video i've ever done in my entire.

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Speaker 2: Career do you will you watch performances back to game tape yourself to see how you?

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Speaker 1: Did? Yeah, sometimes OR i. DON'T i was just talking to an actress about, this because a lot of actresses LIKE i don't watch MY tv Show i'm in AND i was, LIKE i can listen to my songs all day, long that's, fine and when my kids play, it AND i could watch my music videos BECAUSE i edit them and they're WHAT i picked and they're perfect in that. Way but like a RANDOM tv, Performance i'm, Like i'm not popping that on for, fun you. Know i'm not, like, oh let's get into, it because you don't have any control really over, those and like the edit and so those scare me a, Lot LIKE i have to go perform the Song shimmer on A tv show coming, up And i'm terror.

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Speaker 2: Hyde where did you grow up.

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Speaker 1: The Nantucket, Island massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: And you moved To nashville from? Home?

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Speaker 1: Yeah all my friends were in college at that point AND i was at, home traveling TO la And nashville to do songwriting, weeks like one week at a, time AND i was just, like, Man i'm the farthest thing away From, California Like i'm On. NANTUCKET i had to take a boat and then a. Plane and then at another, point LIKE i was, like can we just move a little? Closer and my parents were, like absolutely. Not you're not living In california at eighteen years. Old but they agreed To nashville because my publishers were. There they were like family to, us so they took care of me AND i got my own apartment and was like a big. Girl and then WHILE i was there under a, YEAR i remember it was like exactly a year to my moving. Date we were moving out of there to go To california because all about that base was like already becoming a. Hit AND i was like nineteen when they released, it.

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Speaker 2: Did you write that song here At?

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Speaker 1: NASHVILLE i wrote it In, Nashville Kevin cadish forty, five and it's away from my Little bellevue, apartment AND i remember like being, like why is this studio so far? Away AND i was such a fan Of Kevin catish because he Wrote Stacey rico big hits And Jason murra's big hits AND i was, like this is, sick Like i'm with a big songwriter and he was awesome and we just met and we bonded over like being chubby as kids and being, insecure AND i was, LIKE i wish they played like doop stuff on radio AND i wish they played this. Music and he was, like, OH i love that. Music and then we wrote all about that base in like under an, hour and THEN i remember leaving being like do you like? It and he's LIKE i like. It you like? It AND i was, like, YEAH i think, so but we kind OF i thought, like, well no one's going to cut this because no one looks or sounds like this and it's very, specific SO i thought LIKE i failed as a songwriter. LYRICALLY i was like it was all like a leachy pop on the radio at the, time so that's WHY i went, sorry and he was, like, NO i love. It it's. GREAT i was like. Okay and then like nine months later of pitching the, song everyone being, like we love, it but we don't have an ARTIST i could sing. This La Reata Epic records was, like well who wrote? It just go find? Her and then they started hunting me down and they found.

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Speaker 2: Me you pitched out for nine months before you cut it.

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Speaker 1: Yourself, yeah it was a long time of having that song on.

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Speaker 2: There any holds from anybody or any like possible, Holds, UH i.

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Speaker 1: Don't think, so BUT i remember My carla was always like a believer and would shoot for the. Stars and someone was, like we're gonna send this TO A dell's team AND i was, LIKE i doubt Adele w was sing, this but it's sure. AWESOME i can't. Wait, yeah but there's no way she ever heard.

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Speaker 2: It when you were living In, nashville were you doing any sort of songwriter rounds and did you ever Consider i'll Just i'll just write for country music that Every nashville.

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Speaker 1: Is felt like you had to do songwriting rounds like just to get your name and songwriting skills out. There so LUCKILY i could perform with my ukulele or guitar AND i would do. It BUT i remember hating it BECAUSE i was the youngest and everyone was so, talented AND i would always be like the last to, go AND i was, like, well and mine would kind of be like half a comedy set of, me just like being, like, Oh, okay, guys WELL i hate following. Them this sucks And i'm nineteen years old and here you. GO i just moved, here AND i would be like it and the crowd was always so nice and they were always like they're really kind to me all the other song WHERE i was being like it, sucks how good you are at, Nineteen like you're, annoying AND i was like, thanks. Guys BUT i was so, scared so, terrified because it's like at restaurants where people are eating and talking and you're, like here's my life?

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Speaker 2: Passion is that a thing when you moved To? Nashville was it for? You whenever you look around and everybody's so good, Here like you can go anywhere and everybody is so. Good there are people that haven't made it and that are older now that are still so, good and you wonder how do they not make? It is that intimidating when you move here as a.

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Speaker 1: Kid, YEAH i was so lucky THAT i was With Carla wallace and B Yellow dog because they Had Josh kerr and he was so nice to me that he was willing to talk to. ME i was like the new baby on the, team and it's like those, houses you, know like the publishing companies are like a big, house and so you're just looking in the bedrooms and you're, like hey, guys and they're all writing. Songs but any CHANCE i would get to talk to, HIM i was, like, Hey, josh oh my, god so with, it like when another artist sings your, song like do they ruin? It and he's like sometimes AND i was like, no he's like AND i was, like, okay do they change lyrics on? You and he's like Sometimes AND i was, like oh my. God and then he always told me like it only takes one and you never know which one it's going to. Be AND i was, like really that. Sucks that's. Crazy and then LIKE i never even thought all about the bass was going to be. HEARD i thought that was like my weakest SONG i had compared to all my other pop. SONGS i was, like even my family was, like they like the bass. ONE i was, like mm, hmmm how did that?

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Speaker 2: Grow because it WAS i, mean it was viral before things actually went. Viral AM i remembering that?

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Speaker 1: Correct, yeah it was. Weird it was a, weird just like lightning strike moment THAT i Think facebook helped a lot because people were sharing the video going you got to see, this AND i think it was like bold and so different than what was on the radio at the. Time it was a lot of LIKE edm pop, songs WHICH i, loved SO i was, like this will never. Work but the music video was so. DIFFERENT i remember they were, like we want big pastel colors because that's what's in right, now AND i was, LIKE i were, Black LIKE i don't understand any of, this and the video just got tossed. Around and THEN i Remember Justin bieber did like a random remix of it on, YouTube AND i called my brother AND i was, like all, right you have to drop out of college, now like this is. It i'm, Successful it's gonna. Happen we're gonna have to live IN la. Together he was, like all, right meet to.

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Speaker 2: There what's the difference in the music culture going From, nashville where it's everywhere To Los.

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Speaker 1: ANGELES i used to ask everyone, like do you love living In? Nashville do you love living IN? La AND i remember everyone IN la loved. It everyone In nashville is, like you, know it's a small town people everywhere everone knows everyone in the weather's tough because it's very. Bipolar they switches up all the. Time but everyone IN la like it was LIKE i Love, la AND i was like, really AND i Love california because the weather and it's, great BUT i don't go out much AND i the songwriting. Scene my only complaint is that they want to start so late AND i want to start at ten. Am And nashville was better at that where they would they would go home to their. Families you, know we'd be, like let's wrap up at dinner, time let's go. Home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah a lot of nine am to three, pm four pms In.

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Speaker 1: Nashville that's what a should. Be but a lot of people IN la don't want to wake up because they don't have kids like. Me And i'm, Like i've been up for five. Hours so if you could just hit me the hop oh, here we could get into. It, yeah are.

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Speaker 2: THERE i guess if you're a new artist and you're living In Los, angeles it's going to be so different than a new artist living In, nashville where there are all these places here where if you're, new you can go get yourself on a, list you can go watch The, bluebird you can you can learn and find your people IN. La it feels like that would be a little.

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Speaker 1: DIFFERENT i did The. Bluebird that was, terrifying so, scared and, yeah IN. La there's not a lot of places WHERE i was sent to to go, perform BUT i was lucky enough where my song went, first SO i had to catch up to my. Song AND i like a lot of people knew all about the, base but they didn't Know megan and. Trainer they didn't know me at. All even WHEN i would literally sing it on, stage they would would come off and they, go you sing that song AND i was like. Mm THEN i was the bass girl for like six years and then just oh that's the bass. Girl AND i was like. Okay and now ten years, Later i'm are You MEGAN. T painter And i'm, like, oh, yeah you KNOW.

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Speaker 2: I you played The. Bluebird tell me about.

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Speaker 1: That so. Scary Carlo wallace got me. In that was MY i was, Like i'll do. THAT i won't do the, voice But i'll Do bluebird BECAUSE i Know Taylor swift was there and it helped. Her AND i did, it AND i was so. SCARED i think there's nothing worse as a performer for me than a, small, tight tiny room and what a, tight tiny room that is where you can like see people breathing and drinking and you're in their face and you're, like here's my. Soul BUT i got through my. Performance it's just me and a, guitar nobody, else and you're just so. Scared but my mom SAID i nailed, it AND i didn't like get anything out of, It like nobody was LIKE i want to sign her after. That BUT i got like the street cred OR i got the cool points of Like i've performed at The bluebird. TOO i know what everyone's talking.

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Speaker 2: About did you do the stage or the round and inside the? Circle?

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Speaker 1: THIS i don't. KNOW i was in a, tight tiny little room and it was like one songwriter out a, time SO i didn't have to wait for other people to sing in a, row but they would come up and sit and THEN i went up AND i sat on the.

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Speaker 2: Stage, yeah, yeah, yeah that. IS i think people are surprised sometimes when they come to The bluebird because it is, famous but it's.

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Speaker 1: Tiny you need, Tiny, yeah it's like it's like singing for your, classmates which is also my number one. Fear and for An english, project they were, like let's write a, poem AND i Said i'm gonna do one. Better i'm alway to a, song immediately regretted. IT i got in there with my guitar and was, like Oh, god started panicking because it's all my high school mean. Friends and then my throat and my chest got really. Red and one boy AFTER i, SANG i was like did? It he was, like why is your next so? Read AND i was like ohing on AND i got a. Plus BUT i was, like oh forever hate singing for high.

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Speaker 2: Schoolers how long ago did you start on this, record.

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Speaker 1: This new one? Manuelbum?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah oh.

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Speaker 1: Like, god right after, tour so like almost two years.

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Speaker 2: Ago now what's what's the starting point with this last? One did you find a song or like what Was? OKAY i think we're starting on the new.

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Speaker 1: Record i'm always like onto the. NEXT i Think, capricorn just like keep it, going the hustler and just like can't stop working the. PROBLEM i needed to take a. Break and my teen's very. Supportive they're, like, yeah we'd love another. ALBUM i signed a new deal With, epic SO i have three more albums with, them so that like inspired. Me and then we just kept saying after, tour like let's get the band back, together LIKE i missed me performing with a. Band so THEN i try to write all these songs with like real. Instruments AND i was also doing A christmas orchestral album that'll come out, later and SO i was inspired by. That but doing two albums at one time was a mind mess. Up that was really. Hard but SO i started writing these, songs and THEN i REALIZED i was doing a lot of private gigs at the same time, too and WHEN i would perform on my, hits they're all over the. Place they're like Dear, fud your, husband douop to Like i'm gonna lose you on the, piano To, know and Me, too which are like pure, pop like in sync, pop you. Know and SO i was, like these two girls are. Alone so while writing the, ALBUM i was, like we got to write them some friends so that WHEN i do these sets there's more of like this makes. SENSE i think all my my songs are all over the place sonically in different, genres which is, fun but it's hard to like pick an outfit for, that and it's hard to make a stat list where they make. Sense SO i also took all my hit songs and try to write them a. Sister on this entire album.

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Speaker 2: With all about that, bass do you ever sing it differently to match the other? Music, no all about that.

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Speaker 1: BASS i always keep Og i've added like a Beautiful disney intro sometimes to hype it up and be, like do you remember ten years AGO i released my first? Song and then the crowd starts to hype, up and Then i'm, like you weren't even, born and neither were you BECAUSE i could tell their.

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Speaker 2: Cast what do you think about when you go to a concert and your favorite artist changes the melody of your favorite.

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Speaker 1: SONG i get. It you can change it a. Little you can change. IT i understand if you change it because it's hard to, sing like How adele sometimes will do, it And Harry styles does that all the time. Too of like as impossible to singing every, night let me change the melody so it's easier and more. Realistic i've done that, Bunch but don't change it to be. INTERESTING i don't. KNOW i want. TO i LIKE i studied this in the. CAR i don't want to pull up and here's something. New it's, hard it's very back and, forth and it's all everyone's, opinion so you can't please.

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Speaker 2: EVERYONE i have some friends that have been playing their hits for like twenty or thirty, years and they just wipe them out of their set list or they just get bored and that's why they do it, Differently and, LIKE i get. It but it's Like, Garth, well he won't even play new. Songs he just. Played he's, like, LOOK i play for the. Fans so if he has a new, project he might play one new song and then he plays all hits for three hours and he plays them exactly the way that everybody. Knows and he's you, know and he would tell, me he would, SAY i would rather sometimes play them, Differently but it's not about. Me it's about everybody came to a. Show because, ME i would get bored and want to change it up a little. Bit but hearing him say, that LIKE i thought that was super.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also we're living in Groundhog, day you. Know it's like it's gonna be the same lyrics no matter what Till i'm seventy You i'm going to be singing old you, know And i've come to terms with that And i'm okay with. It and what gets me. GOING i think What garth is explaining is when the crowd is so hyped and so happy that you're still in. SHOCK i cannot believe you still know these, words or like the new generations come up with you and like they're six years old and you're, like this one came out before you were, alive and they know all the. Words it just gives you a whole new energy and a whole new high where you're, LIKE i have to do this for the rest of my.

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Speaker 2: Life if you're, writing are you going melody first or lyrics? First just generally, speaking.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the. Day BUT i always struggled with lyrics, Obviously like in the beginning when they were, like your lyrics don't make, SENSE i was, LIKE i don't read enough. BOOKS i hear. You BUT i was always a melody Que like In, NASHVILLE i was the melody, girl and SO i know that my weakest link is. Lyrics so before my songwriting, Sessions i've been going On pinterest. LATELY i used to do this with magazines Because Esther dean taught me this amazing. SONGWRITER i go On pinterest AND i type in, cute like cute howkgirl captions For instagram and they come up with the cutest, things or LIKE i saw shares quote where she's, like, mom hey, MAMA i am a Rich man AND i was, like we need a song Called, richmond AND i wrote a whole anthem about it that's, LIKE i don't have any man making me. MONEY i do it. Myself AND i love getting concepts like, that And i'll make a whole list the night before And i'll go in with my songwriters and, GO i love this. Concept what do you? Think and USUALLY i had to teach the songwriters not to do this for, me but usually they'll come in and go they'll just, yes man the, artist and they're, like, yeah if you want that on your, album you're probably gonna cut. It that's exactly what we should do. Today AND i started asking they're my. Friends at this, POINT i was, like can you not just say yes to all my? Ideas can you push? Me can you say, no we shouldn't talk about this because this is. Interesting and no one said this in a, While and then they started doing.

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Speaker 2: That someone with all the success that you've. Had do you ever just pull up rhyme zone AND i, Write, hey, yeah.

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Speaker 1: What do you? MEAN i, think uh. Yeah every now and, then SOMETIMES i really don't need, It but some especially if i'm writing for like a Movie i've been writing it, recently where it's LIKE i have to write specifically about A christmas movie or something that's like about, Elves i'm, like, okay well rhymes with, hoofs you, know And i'll just get. Lost but if it's like a pop song THAT i know the concept THAT i know what we're talking, ABOUT i can like fly through. It but, yeah if it's if it's a tricky, One i'm like the rhymes ON i don't understand where we?

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Speaker 2: Are what is your hardest song to? Sing and you look back and, go, MAN i wrote that really, hard me.

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Speaker 1: Too going hey ye hate it every. Time in the middle of the, SONG i screamed that, part AND i After i'm dancing and singing, It i'm, like, well who Did? Hey, yeah why AM i singing? This like my ad libs are the death of? Me and in the Studio i'm SITTING i could scream it out AND i, go, damn that sounds, Good and then, LIVE i, GO i hate, MYSELF i hate And i've done. THIS i was, Like i'm gonna do a level of buy next. Album this is.

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Speaker 2: Creaensy if you're, sick will you change the key of a song night of if you can't quite get?

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Speaker 1: There If i'm, SICK i, don't BUT i will. Go you're singing, tonight you KNOW i give it out? MORE i go and what AND i you could Tell i'm sick IF i got crop our dissipation throughout the whole.

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Speaker 2: Song do you ever have to go in and hop into like a or have them bring you an ivy or do a shot like right before?

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Speaker 5: Show?

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Speaker 1: YEAH i had two ivs a last, tour AND i was on steroids like the BECAUSE i was so. SICK i was on anbiotics and steroids for like two weeks straight in the middle of, it just to get. By BUT i remember my voice was shot AND i took the steroid for my like sign it like WHATEVER i. HAD i was so ill because the kids were, ill AND i remember the stairs kicked in AND i, went let's do, this and my voice sounded, impeccable and they were, like who's, sick not? You AND i was like, no it ah.

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Speaker 2: Until the next day IF, i, oh my.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, SHOW i was, like oh, oh like in the middle of, it, YEAH i, Oh i've squeaked like a clarinet and been like AND i just got whoops and just keep.

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Speaker 2: Going whenever you put out a, record because, again it's not a song because people listen to a song in three. Minutes but you're going to have this entire, record how how quickly do you look to see if people like? It, like what's a good? AMOUNT i put out a book and that's the worst because you got away like weeks you put you have to you gotta put out wait weeks to even see if it's any.

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Speaker 1: Good what about a, record, man there's there's songs are like. IT i have no idea if anyone is HEARING i put out two singles so, far AND i have no idea if anyone's heard. It and it is the worst part of all of this is, like there's NO i TOLD i keep telling my managers because they're, like why are you going? Crazy And i'm, like cause there's no like you hand in your report card and you get a. Grade there's no like you're doing, great.

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Speaker 6: Sweetie there's none of that it's all, LIKE i hope people are hearing it when there's so much chaos going on the, world and my managers are straight up telling, me, like, listen there's a lot of traffic out.

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Speaker 1: There there's a lot going. On the world's. Different we don't know how to promote music. Anymore we don't know how to get you, heard and all we can do is Try and So i'm, like, way So i'm just doing tiktoks hoping people use this. Sound like that's WHERE i. Go i'm, like, okay ten thousand people have heard it because they use this, sound but that's not a lot of. People and then what also helps, me that keeps me going Is i'll meet random, people like outside at the mall or at a store and they, go oh my, god and my daughter will not stop Playing Getting.

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Speaker 6: Girl AND i go the news hunt really and they're like, yeah AND i, GO i don't know if Funny one's.

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Speaker 1: Heard so that's really all the only INFORMATION i can on If i'm doing okay or not is strangers being, like my daughter won't leave me alone with this?

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Speaker 2: One AM i? Crazy didn't you write a number one country? SONG i? Did Is Rascal flats what was?

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Speaker 1: Was, sheha, Yeah dann And Cha shay AND i, said, boy you Sound we were both in the, session both debating who should sing, it AND i was, like, bro let's go To Rascal platz cut you sing. It you sound just like, them and he was, Like, Okay i'll sing. It AND i was, like it's nice to have a break BECAUSE i was always singing in the. Sessions and THEN i was, like you should be an artist and he's LIKE i am AND i was, like, Oh he's like you should be an artists AND i was, like, YEAH i want to, be BUT i don't. Know and every session they would say that to me Because i'd be the session singer and they're, like why aren't you putting this? Out AND i was, LIKE i don't have like a label or any of that.

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Speaker 2: Stuff what was the song was?

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Speaker 1: IT i like to?

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Speaker 2: Sound what was the song sound on?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 2: Yeah like that kind of relaunched those guys because, they you, know we got, older had some rough years And i'm friends with, them SO i can say this that. Song that song kind of relaunched their. CAREER U were you writing a bunch for other artists in the country space at? All or was that just a rite that.

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Speaker 1: Day that was like a write that. Day AND i think having all about that bass be released and having like the hype of all about that bass definitely, HELPED i think get me the cut and because it was like such a, cute great song that And shay killed the vocal wrote it With Jesse shack in. TOO i loved. Him he's always supported me SINCE i was like. Fifteen BUT i think the all about that bass being released helped. That i'm guessing BECAUSE i remember being like going to the. PUBLISHER i believe your name Was alison who hooked this up and she played me their voice on my song With Carlo wallace While All about that bass was, out AND i just, like how are all my dreams coming true right? Now at? ONCE i couldn't believe, It LIKE i was crying, Listening so that one was just. Crazy. Yeah And Laura elena that same Crew jesse shack and we wrote one for her with her and she's.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, yeah which one was?

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Speaker 1: THAT i don't know that take the roleless you?

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Speaker 2: Wrote, wait you wrote Road less? Traveled H, well hell, yeah my mind is a little bit blown BECAUSE i knew that you had written With. SHAY i MEAN i was just With lauren yesterday Because lauren just had a, baby so her and my wife or how they and so we're like very baby centric over, here and So. LAUREN i was just talking With. LAUREN i didn't know you wrote that, Too so what it could HAVE i don't know how how he, Left like with that, success did you think Maybe i'd stay In. Nashville i'm crushing.

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Speaker 1: IT i KNOW i had. TO i have no. CHOICE i had to, go like To germany and promote all about that. Base LIKE i was. GONE i was waking up in a different. Country we were, LIKE i don't know the, maps you, KNOW i don't know WHERE i. Am and they were like speak these different languages and say my bass. Song AND i was, like, okay SO i would. GO i was at a rocket ship AND i just had to, go AND i was.

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Speaker 2: Terrified last, question what's the most fun stage of a?

00:25:56
Speaker 1: BABY i, mean you haven't got smiles, yet, Right, nah.

00:26:00
Speaker 2: Just if there's farts and that's doesn't.

00:26:02
Speaker 1: Count i'm at two months and she just started smiling and it starts at the. Side it's like and it's the it's like it takes over your whole. Body that'll be your first joy in life with your. Baby when they look at, you they recognize you and go ah and give you the best smile. Ever so that's. Fantastic but when they're like sitting up, too oh my, god you could play, together because for a while they're just helpless, bobbleheads you, know and you're, like oh my my, God.

00:26:31
Speaker 2: Megan thank you rooting for. You hope everything's awesome and Hopefully i'll see you.

00:26:36
Speaker 1: Soon thank you so. Much to the.

00:26:37
Speaker 7: Best The Bobby cast will be right. Back this is The Bobby, cast all.

00:26:53
Speaker 2: Right that was great For Meghan. TRAINER i also wanted to take a couple of minutes because THE ACMs are coming, up and so to play a clip from each of the winner so. Far this IS Acm New Mail artist of The Year Tucker wetmore and it was really cool to See tucker win this. Award in this, clip you'll Hear tucker AND i talking about his family, background where his love for music came, from and if his mom supported his music, career which by the, way she's the one that also surprised him with THE acm. AWARD i believe it was In, london so that was way after we did. This but here you go a little bit With Tucker. Wetmore what are the Wet MoES known?

00:27:27
Speaker 8: For oh, gosh that's a great.

00:27:33
Speaker 2: Question take your. TIME i struggle With. Thanksgiving, YEAH i asked you a really hard that's a great.

00:27:40
Speaker 8: QUESTION i mean it's gonna sound clichepe of just being. KIND i guess my family's. Great my mom's an, angel my grandma's known by everybody in the.

00:27:52
Speaker 9: COUNTY i don't. Know just living life day.

00:27:57
Speaker 8: By day like everybody, else is what we're known.

00:27:59
Speaker 2: For what's your? Mon she's one of those.

00:28:03
Speaker 8: PEOPLE i feel like The Good lord has filled her cup with so much love that she doesn't have any choice but to like spill it onto. Others that's the kind of person she, is you, KNOW i always thinking about other, people very, selfless my number one, fan always always in my.

00:28:21
Speaker 2: Corner was she super supportive of you when you wanted to start doing.

00:28:25
Speaker 8: Music, yeah she was the one that was, like, absolutely go do.

00:28:28
Speaker 2: It did you go to her with the, Hey i'm thinking about doing, this or what do you think about me doing? This i'm gonna do this in front of? You like how did that?

00:28:35
Speaker 1: Go?

00:28:36
Speaker 2: Yeah so it was it was AFTER i dropped out of.

00:28:38
Speaker 8: COLLEGE i was playing football In montana and ended up getting, injured like we just talked. About and THEN i moved back home and then started playing music again BECAUSE i started playing music WHEN.

00:28:49
Speaker 9: I was like ten or eleven years.

00:28:50
Speaker 8: OLD i started on, piano, guitar, trumpet AND i started writing a bunch after after. College and THEN i remember shutting her down on a couch like we're sitting right, now AND i was, Like, MOM i THINK i want to do this music, thing and she, Goes i've been waiting for you to have this conversation with me because you, know even back in the, day she would always push me, like, hey you kind of got, something so you should pursue. That i'm, like but, football you, KNOW i want to play, ball and. Uh then it was kind of like a sur relief FOR i feel, like because she wanted she wanted me to do, that and you, know she saw something in me THAT i didn't really see at the, time.

00:29:26
Speaker 9: And she was very.

00:29:27
Speaker 8: Supportive help, me help me drive down From. Washington it took us like three or four, days AND i HAD covid actually during that whole, trip so she did most of the. DRIVING i THINK i did probably four hours of driving. Total but she she helped me move and then you, know paid some bills WHEN i first moved to town BECAUSE i had no, money just a handful of songs and a.

00:29:52
Speaker 2: Dream did she do? Music uh, huh she wasn't musical at. All. Nope then how we even playing? Instruments?

00:29:59
Speaker 8: LIKE i have no, IDEA i Guess, Okay SO i grew up in the. Church my grandpa is a, pastor and, uh you, know being around the church my entire, life literally every single day being the. Church and, uh my grandma would would sing the. Hymns AND i grew up in A samoan, family so they're VERY i don't know if you ever hung out with like a group Of.

00:30:19
Speaker 2: SAMOANS i never.

00:30:21
Speaker 8: Have it's it's a it's a bucket lists.

00:30:24
Speaker 2: ITEM i used to hang out one at a time With smoan's never. Done i've never done a.

00:30:26
Speaker 8: Group, yeah it's it's a it's a fun.

00:30:29
Speaker 2: Time are You? Simoan a Part?

00:30:32
Speaker 1: Simoan?

00:30:32
Speaker 2: Like are in your? Heart? Though like when you look in the, mirror do you see A samoan? Guy I'm i'm definitely.

00:30:38
Speaker 9: A mutt in a lot of.

00:30:39
Speaker 8: WAYS i DON'T i don't. KNOW i MEAN i grew up Around simoan culture my whole, life especially like in the, summertime always you, know doing cookouts and listening to reggae and you, know all my aunties and uncles and you, know it's a huge family type. Thing and but, yeah to answer your, QUESTION i, Mean smans are very musical people and very loving people and giving, people and, uh you, KNOW i just grew up around, that and it was it was kind of one of those those things, where Like i've said this, before but we'll be sitting in the in the living room After sunday church we just had early dinner and watching, football and somebody would start Singing Amazing grace and then the next, thing you, know the whole family is just Harmonizing Amazing grace in the living, room coming kind of. Thing SO i definitely grew up around, that AND i think that's that might be where it kind of stems. From BUT i definitely found my own love for.

00:31:32
Speaker 2: Music next up is the twenty twenty SIX Acm New Female artist of The Year, Avery and Now i'm a massive fan Of avery and her music AND i THINK i first saw her though On TikTok months ago doing An Ozzy osbourne cover and we talked about it in the long form of this which you can watch On netflix or go back and listen to the whole. Podcast but just a big, fan you know her origin. Story it's crazy because she started her career and moved To nashville at such a young age, likeeen like, SEVENTEEN i think sixteen seventeen and blew up. Overnight so Here's avery AND i talking about her move To nashville and the pros and definitely the cons of going. Viral you just knew you wanted to move To. Nashville, NO i.

00:32:19
Speaker 4: DIDN'T i didn't even know this was a possibility for. ME i didn't THINK i was that. GOOD i always loved, music and it was music was more of like a like, breathing LIKE i, said for, me it was a very private thing UNLESS i was singing in. Church and WHEN i went viral for singing in the bathtub DURING, covid and THEN i got in contact with my managers AND i signed a record deal AND i moved like AFTER i signed a record in that, order in that, order and within this span of six, MONTHS i got in contact with my Manager's october twenty, twenty and then we started releasing some music and THEN i had like every now in. HINDSIZIGHT i had like every label in town wanting to meet with, me AND i met with LIKE i think we did like thirteen zoom, meetings and THEN i signed With.

00:33:07
Speaker 2: Warner how do you pick a label when you're only meeting with them Over?

00:33:09
Speaker 4: ZOOM i don't.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't.

00:33:11
Speaker 4: KNOW i Just i'm a very spiritual, person very like, intuitive LIKE i trust my gut most of the. Time AND i just felt really good About, warner and they just felt very endearing and like they actually cared about WHAT i had to, say not just kind of like wanting to sign a viral sensation and let it be what it. Is it felt like. Genuine SO i, signed and THEN i moved AND i didn't even, know LIKE i knew about The Grand O, opry BUT i didn't really know That nashville was like the place you go to, become you, know a country music. STAR i GUESS i should have known, that BUT i just didn't really like put the pieces together in my. HEAD i didn't even know WHAT i wanted to do with my. Life and THEN i was just like this feels, right AND i. MOVED i lived in the house by myself for like, WELL i was finishing. School was.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: Seventeen at, seventeen were you?

00:34:07
Speaker 4: Emancipated, No, no my parents are very supportive of. ME i just have three other. Siblings they had lives to do and work to, do AND i am self. SUFFICIENT i was just LIKE i Just i'm very. Indecisive LIKE i, SAID i brought two, records but that was the only decision in my life That i've ever been, like this is the right thing to, do AND i know. It AND i remember telling my mom, that and everyone in my, family like my extended family and our friends and everyone in my town thought THAT i was, crazy and then my parents are crazy for letting me do. That BUT i think both of my parents and myself just felt a lot of peace that it was like the right.

00:34:46
Speaker 2: THING i don't know what Is nashville. Like when you move here and start to see other people who are doing what you're trying to, do it's really.

00:34:55
Speaker 4: Cool you would think that it's, intimidating and it is at, times BUT I i just feel like the little girl inside of me that wanted to talk to everyone About Patsy klein that no one really cared because everyone called Me. Grandma growing, UP i just loved the classic. Country but everyone here has their, own you, know music, taste and everyone's really passionate about, it and there's so much. Talent it was just really like, CREATIVELY i was like, very very, stimulated AND i was just starry eyed at. It i'd never even been to the side of the, country SO i didn't know that there's this many trees.

00:35:28
Speaker 1: Here AND.

00:35:30
Speaker 4: I REMEMBER i was like driving down the road AND i was, like one of these, Days i'm going to plow down one of these mailboxes and trash cans because the roads are so narrow. Too it's a lot of things That it was a very big culture shock for me going From arizona to Like.

00:35:46
Speaker 2: Tennessee what do you do at eighteen nineteen years old, here when you're living by? Yourself when you make? Friends? Right do you go to? Songwriter around's, like how do you make your?

00:35:53
Speaker 4: CIRCLE i met a lot of my friends at, church but it was really hard for me BECAUSE i wasn't going to school or, anything so it wasn't LIKE i had like people my age to socialize. WITH i was really just writing all the time with people that, were you, know late, twenties, thirties, forties so all my friends were way older than me BECAUSE i consider like the people THAT i write with my friends and like my brothers, Too SO i remember my first co write was With Ben williams And Andy sheridan and they're still like my big brothers to this. Day so that was really. Cool and, YEAH i met people at church AND i like went to the grocery store and didn't know what to buy AND i was, LIKE i bought an avocado and some apples and. BEEF i still don't really know how to cook Because i'm touring now AND i don't really need you.

00:36:45
Speaker 2: To but, yeah what's it like to go? Viral looks?

00:36:51
Speaker 4: Fabulous i'm sure you totally, Understand but looks fabulous when you're on the other side of the screen and when you're looking at all the millions of views and, Likes and it's really cool because it gave me my, career really, did So i'm really grateful for what it. Is but the adrenaline dump after going viral is a big thing. Too that was challenging THAT i wasn't.

00:37:14
Speaker 2: Anticipating what do you mean by?

00:37:15
Speaker 4: That it's interesting to go from music being something that you do for fun to all of the sudden it's your. Livelihood and when you go, viral it's instant. Gratification it's very. Stimulating you are kind of on like a cloud. Nine and then if your next video only gets a thousand views rather than two million, views it's, like, oh if this gave me my, success could it also ta get? Away and that that thought was something THAT i struggled with a lot in the, beginning AND i was very conscious of WHAT i was posting and and trying, to you, know still be as good AS i was WHEN i was, megaviral AND i don't, know you kind of just learn the longer that you do it that it's just it all comes in, waves and what's genuine and authentic will always work for. You and if you're trying to be something, else if you're trying to be, viral if you're trying to be you, know, commercial if you're, not if you're trying to be, artsy if you're, not it's just not going to. Work you just have to really go with your gut and say what you want to, say and not just say something to say.

00:38:31
Speaker 5: Something you, know WHAT i.

00:38:33
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah not just add to your feed because you feel like you need to add to your.

00:38:37
Speaker 4: Feed, right not JUST i think that that's a very it works for a lot of, people and a lot of people have found success that way from being consistently posting every single, day like three videos a, day and AND i had a lot of pressure to do that very early, on and it just it's just not right and it's not natural for people to, like, surely no one has something to say three times a.

00:39:01
Speaker 2: Day, NO i, don't AND i have to talk for six hours a.

00:39:04
Speaker 4: Day, Sure AND i feel very it sucked the creativity out of me UNTIL i realized how to set boundaries with.

00:39:10
Speaker 7: It The Bobby cast will be right, back and we're back on The Bobby.

00:39:23
Speaker 2: Cast, now let's get over To Steven Wilson, junior who already won his FIRST acm this, year taking home The Visual media of The year award for his music video for his Song. Cuckoo stephen has a very interesting origin story because he was a scientist who dropped his career to chase his dream of being a. Musician i'm a big fan of this, guy AND i asked him if he had any idea what he wanted to do for a career when he was finishing.

00:39:47
Speaker 9: COLLEGE i didn't know.

00:39:49
Speaker 5: Exactly WHEN i graduated with my degree in micro and, CHEMISTRY i was, gonna honestly go get my medical doctorate or at.

00:39:56
Speaker 9: PhD that was my, first.

00:39:59
Speaker 5: My next up because in you, know the applied, sciences without a, PhD it's gonna be.

00:40:05
Speaker 9: Tough that was my.

00:40:06
Speaker 5: Plan AND i ended up starting this indie rock band the last semester of my senior year of. College and what was the name of the, Band, Autovka AND i was a lead guitar, player played this green stratocaster THAT i still have today and it's A jeff beckstrat and we just started playing BECAUSE i was playing. MUSIC i was playing in jazz bands and university AND i was a self taught guitar, player BUT i was a serious jazz nerd and rock and roll, nerd and people would hear me playing in dorms and. Stuff and WHEN i moved To, NASHVILLE i met some friends THAT i knew from the previous college THAT i went, to and they asked If i'd want to just play in this, band AND i was, like, SURE i had nothing better to do outside of my, degree AND i was almost. Finished and, anyway we started playing shows and before we knew, it we had like a manager and we made a, record and before we know we were on tour with these. Bands SO i went and played in indie rock bands right AFTER i graduated from, college not really planning to do. That they just this opportunity just kind of came up AND i couldn't really say no to. It it was such a cool experience to. Have BUT i, learned you, know how to handle a, crowd AND i learned how to sing BECAUSE i became a background vocalist in that, band AND i was writing or co writing the songs with the lead. Singer and that's WHY i, really for the first time saw a song That i'd written or co written And i'd see people like react to it or start singing, it AND i was, LIKE, whoa that's a that's a new.

00:41:45
Speaker 9: Experience and SO.

00:41:47
Speaker 5: I really became enamored with, that you, know BECAUSE i was super into poetry and. SONGWRITING i was kind of like a secret, songwriter you, know outside of my science. Stuff it was my own little. Secret BUT i wasn't singing them or. ANYTHING i was just writing these poems And STANZAS i had books of, them and my mama did. THAT i used to find her like writing poems on junk mail and throwing them. Away AND i just picked that up AND i channeled that into that band and then kind of saw those poems come to life in that, band AND i was, like this is a really special. Thing you like music and being a creator of. It i'm not sure if this is is this my career?

00:42:29
Speaker 9: PATH i don't. Know you have a job at this.

00:42:31
Speaker 2: POINT i was in nine to.

00:42:33
Speaker 9: FIVE i was working as a contracted.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: Scientist so you were doing that while you were. Touring how did? YOU i feel like you're a, scientist you're kind of.

00:42:42
Speaker 5: Stationary, YEAH i was working contract to, contract So i'd work at one lab AND i work at another lab for a, week AND i kind of work around our touring. Schedule and there is this company in town that is a staffing agency for scientists like, chemists, microbiologists and. Engineers think of it like a staffing agency for, anything.

00:43:04
Speaker 9: But specialized for the applied.

00:43:06
Speaker 5: Sciences so you, know some businesses and some laboratories would need a, scientist but not. Permanently they just need it for like six months on this project or six weeks or maybe six. Days and there was the contracts could be as interesting as you could think, of as long as you could, imagine and you can take them or leave.

00:43:26
Speaker 9: Them and they were hourly and they.

00:43:28
Speaker 5: Would get their cut and you get your, cut and you could just kind of walk, away go on. Tour maybe another contract would come. In AND i kept doing good work and kept doing, contracts AND i eventually got one for this, Company, mars the food, company and they kept giving me contract after, contract and one day they just, said, hey we want to stop giving you these contracts and just give you an employment contract and like hire you for, real and they kind of that was like the first Time i'd ever been offered a job like, that AND i. COULDN'T i just married my wife and, kid AND i had a, kid you, know a step son through, her and you, KNOW i was in that indie band, still and SO i made a decision to kind of leave the van and tray their life and go into full time.

00:44:15
Speaker 9: Science and that was my.

00:44:17
Speaker 5: Life AND i was kind of doing the whole corporate thing and how long for three and a half four, years AND i had a really great boss BECAUSE i was writing songs the whole. TIME i could almost like work in a lab and do my work with one hand and write songs with the. Other AND i had a great boss that had been there for quite some, time and you, know he kind of saw myself and, him you, know some years, ago AND i think he knew where my heart. Was he KNEW i wasn't supposed to be. There in the weirdest, WAY i think he knew. That and he told, Me, hey they're about to put the golden hand on. You that's What he was a really powerful. Metaphor And i'm a word, nerd and he knew THAT i like, words and that he knew that was going to do something to. Me and, uh he, said take you, know do with that what you. Will but you know you're doing great, here but they're going to chain you to that desk and your dreams of being a songwriter are are going to die with.

00:45:21
Speaker 9: It AND i said that to.

00:45:22
Speaker 5: You, Yeah and SO i, said you, know it's going to be impossible to blow your world. Up then you're going to have a better, car a better, house maybe your kid in private. School blowing up that world's going to be very, hard if not. IMPOSSIBLE I i'd recommend you blow it up now while there's less pieces to pick, up and it's going to be, terrible BUT i think it's going to be way more, terrible if not. Impossible AND i fear that you, know your inability to do that later would just be a heartbreaking situation for. You AND i just want you to know that's kind of coming down the. PIKE i see it like ten years down the road for, you just, saying you, know, cheers have a good.

00:46:07
Speaker 9: DAY i put in my two.

00:46:10
Speaker 5: Weeks six weeks after that, CONVERSATION i walked out of, there and you, know everybody THOUGHT i was, Crazy like what are you going to?

00:46:18
Speaker 9: Do like they all THOUGHT i was like going To nestle or, something.

00:46:21
Speaker 8: AND i was, Like nestley get.

00:46:23
Speaker 5: You AND i was like, no, no, No nashville. Did and they're, like where are you Gonna so you're gonna go write songs for? SOMEBODY i was, like, no like you got a publishing. Deal, no someone's cutting your, songs. Right, no have you ever sang a song? Before, no so.

00:46:41
Speaker 2: At this point you weren't even.

00:46:42
Speaker 5: Singing, No i'd never sang a song for anybody in my, life and so that Was you, know that was a lot to come to come to terms, with but you know it was a real leap of. Faith you KNOW i had, this you know WHAT i call a great string with a capital p.

00:47:02
Speaker 2: ALL i thank you, guys hope you enjoyed This. Bobbycast we had a few thanks to making a, trainer and congrats to all those guys who already WON ACMs this. Year so we'll see you guys real soon on another episode of The Bobby. Cast, bye, everybody thanks for listening to A Bobby cast production