BIG FACTS feat. Lil B from Da Bluff

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Speaker 1: Big Bank.

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Speaker 2: DJ Scream bring you Big Facts, number one podcast in the Street.

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Speaker 1: Live from Folk Studios and the Atl's time for Big Facts, Big Bank.

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Speaker 2: What up?

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Speaker 1: DJ Scream, I'm here, we are welcome in today Atlanta's on. What an amazing story He's about to tell a little beef from the bluff. Don't pull up, Big Facts.

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Speaker 3: What's up? What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 2: What's happen to be here? Man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, free man, listen with everything.

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Speaker 1: Like Bank was saying that you don't been throwing your journey to pull up in here with this good energy and the smile. I just got to salute you off top before we get into the copation.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So let us let us let us don't like the Let's get into the story.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like before incarceration, you were incarcerated, was it twenty six years? Before incarceration? Tell us a little bit about a little beef from the bluff life before incarceration and how you came.

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Speaker 2: Up well, and you know I came up in the bluff. Well, you know, like it's the normal everybody, the way everybody will come up, you know, hustling my mama smoked dope. Yah, my daddy know where to be found. So I'm raised by the niggas that's on the corner. You know what I'm saying them, the niggas that gave me the this is what you do did your dudes and your dunts in the street. So I end up my mama lost cussing to me in like ninety four, no ninety three shell cussing at me. I went into defense. I stayed in the defense for like a year, and then somebody that is a part of my sister family. Uh, they family came and got me out of defect, but they were beating on me and shit. So I end up running away from them. So when I ran away, I'm hanging downtown. You know what I'm saying. I'm downtown at five point, hanging it underground and all this shit. So that's when I get introduced to the gang coaching out because you know back then, that's why all that that shit was coming from you lying if you were doing that shit back then. And so I ended up running back to the Blood. I ain't he nowhere else to go. This all I knew. And when I went back to the Blood, man, I end up running into a murder case.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: How you running into a murder gase?

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Speaker 2: You you know, like I look at it like when I was in the FOSSi system, I was. I was being prepared or put it, whole little prison situation. You know what I'm saying. This is why I said I ran into it. And that Falsil situation. They would beat me, putting in the basements and shit like that, making me. You know what I'm saying, This is what they call it my punishment. But I was looking at it as it preparing me for incost rations. So when I run away from them, I ran back into the bluff. I get locked up for murder. You know what I'm saying. That ain't even got no evidence to me on the scene or that. And I maintain my innercy the whole, the whole twenty six year, you know what I'm saying, never made a statement, never said this person did this, A did person did that when all of them did it to me. So that's why I said I ran into a murder case, you know what I'm saying. Because I ran away from that Fossil family, ran right back into the bluff and I ran into a murder case, but all of preparing me for the shit that I was finisha do the twenty six year You know what I'm saying, if you look at it in hindsight, you know, because I don't know nothing about violence unless you teach it to me. You know what I'm saying. If I let's just say, for the sake of the ugument, because I know people gonna say, goddamn litt be he did it or whatever, let's just say, for the sake of the ugmanuse they because they had the media painted it. No, if I did it, I'm thirteen years old. You know what I'm saying. I don't know nothing about violence unless you teach me about violence. If I did do it, while I get the pistol from If I did do it, how to hell I get away from the scene. If I did do it, why the hell you find the pistol away on Holly Street. I ain't got no cup, I'm thirteen. I don't even had the right to vote. I can't even I ain't got no license or now. I can't go in the store and buy no gun to there. But I'm the only person that went to prison. Nobody asked that question when I got locked up. They just seen the thirteen year old who mama smoked dope, He homeless, he bad his head, and I being the juvenile before he just and then I fit the perfect or. I was the post perfect poster child for the super predator area the era, which is what they called me, a super predator saying just send it, be a foe for it, the thing or whatnot.

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Speaker 1: For everybody watching though light because there's people watching worldwide, give a little more context into that day, like, well, what happened that day for you? And then and then what happened basically you know the situation from what how I was told.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're saying for how I was told, that's the media of perspective, but from what happened with me. I'm on the I'm in the bluff, and I'm up a friend of my house, you know, and I'm looking to go rent a call from a junkie. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna give a dunk a couple steck living, rent the car for a couple of hours whatnot. And then the process of me doing it, I hear the shots down the street in the Bluff. You know what I'm saying. I'm up the street. Everybody know where I'm at. About fifteen twenty minute later, a couple of them come pet me up in You don't say no name, but a couple of people come pick me up. You know what I'm saying. We go to the BW three and we're chilling the b THAT three. I don't even know nobody dead yet. You know what I'm saying. I see the police lights down in there. I don't even know nobody did go home. You know what I'm saying, Chill, I go back to to the Bluff, the nick the verea niggas day. Didn't nobody tell me Poli looking for you? Ain't nobody said little bet ain't killed nobody or anything like that. Bout a week later, you know what I'm saying, Uh, they call to my house and were like, uh, charged with murder man. You know what I'm saying. But everybody that was on the case with my I got locked up with my brother. I got locked up with a with another nigga from the Bluff and a couple of junkies, and everybody on their case. They knew I was thirteen. I couldn't get no time. We didn't know what the law was at that time. We ain't know they were trying juveniles as they'll get a nigga like sent it. We ain't know that, and so they were thinking, I go to juvenile, do six eighteen month. That didn't work out like that, you know what I'm saying. The nigga went to saying little b did it, Little be did it. He ain't gonna get no time, and they ran with it. Didn't nobody come try to say now shouting and do it with no folks start saying we're gonna give him a light senting. Nobody came to my rescue.

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Speaker 5: Bro oh so so basically it was like, let nephew take the little dud, take the lick and do a little time.

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Speaker 2: At first, yeah, that was the thing, but that no, I didn't know nothing about it, nigga. I didn't even know you can a juvenile could get five years and that be there. I didn't know nothing about none of that shit. I didn't sign up to agree that ship. You ain't finna sign up for saying the nigga, please, you know what I'm saying. I ain't signed before before all I didn't listen, Bro, I didn't have no conversation with none of them people that was on the case with me. My brother and another nigga was on the case with me. They already on right Street when I get locked up and I come to right Street. Indeed, niggas ain't saying me no missing. Everything I know about them, what they're saying about me is in the newspaper. You know what I'm saying. I seen one of my co defenders was saying little B did it. And then my brother he saluted what he was saying, saying, if he said little B did it, then little B probably did it because you back, yes, cain't from the signs. You know what I'm saying, Yeah bad, but yeah, yeah, my brother, you know what I'm saying. He's somewhere around here. You know, I don't even deal with him. I ain't got no hating my herd for him. You know what I'm saying. I just can't deal with him because it's more than just what he said in the news paper that made me feel away about him.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I.

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Speaker 2: No, not just that alright. As you know, when you go to prison, you develop a certain type of principles and morts that you you really live by his shit. And so when I look at it, after all the time, only did you gonna have a baby with a girl with a woman? After did a woman that got on the stand pointed her finger at your little brother and said, your little brother did this, and you know for a fact she wasn't even not there. You gonna have two kids with her? And then not one time did you tell her, hey, you need to go down here and write an alpha David, or you need to go over here and do this for my brother brother, because you lied on my brother. Not now time, Bro, How can I suppose to consider you my brother? You know what I'm saying, I can't see past that shit. You didn't come and try and help me. Know well, I can't even find a receipt you sent me some money, you know what I'm saying, or none of that, you feel me? So it's a different scenario with me and my brother. But them niggas let me fall like that, you feel me. Them niggas could have did something the same me them nigga watching me go down. Them nigga let me lose my life for twenty cigar like that, they could not get used the same rules that you gave me. If you telling me to be a solid nigga and it be quiet, don't say nothing. I'm a child and you taught me this. I know this. You do the same shit that you told me not to do. You know what I'm saying? You doing? You going against everything you're talking. I can't see past that ship. Bro. Them niggas told me how to be a gangst them. You feel me. The bluff showed me how to be a hustle of bluff, showed me how to be against the bluff showed me not to be a schnitch. You know what I'm saying. But the niggas that put me in this situation did everything against that you feel. I can't respect that, damn man.

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Speaker 1: So man, the day don't was put on you that day? Obviously you ain't know what your sentence was going to be or nothing. You just know you're thirteen and you shouldn't be incarcerated. Where was your mental and what was you thinking? What was going through your head?

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Speaker 2: I was scared. I didn't I couldn't even tell you. The three branches of government. Let loan to you, what can happen in a trial proceeding. You know what I'm saying, my life on the land, on everything that's gonna happen to me. I'm not comprehending it when it's coming from the lawyer, but I'm comprehending it when I'm reading in the newspaper. I'm reading like, damn, there again, my life center. We uh, he might be gone forever. And what hurt me the most when I seen Paul Howard or say if I could give him the death penalty.

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Speaker 1: He was on me that I was just gonna say, what what?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know to do? Nobody get person people dying, bro, like that unless it's just a straight bullet, people dying. But I don't know the Do you know what I'm saying, Street, I don't know, don't know his life, I don't know. You know what I'm saying. I don't know. I swear I ain't nothing. You out there, bro, I still don't know nothing. Even to this day. I don't know nothing, Bro. Tell why you know?

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Speaker 1: You don't you don't care showing so you know everything? You know?

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Speaker 2: I know? I read in the new papers there like you read in the what you read me that they told me I killed somebody. Say what you read about who the dude was? They say the man pulled up to the to the coner and he was a man coming from Captain D's or something, and he's just so happing to pull up in the blow. Nobody finds the bluff by mistake. Bro Come on, nobody you over here for a reason. You know what I'm saying. That be there, But I ain't the only one know where them folks know what's going on. You know what I'm saying, But I need it up. But yeah, when that man tried, he told me he'll give me the death penality. You know what I'm saying. That shook me. I'm like, damn, Ain't nobody gonna come say nothing. You know what I'm saying, y'all just gonna let me go and telling me. Don't saying how did the pill though?

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Speaker 3: While you was in there?

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Speaker 2: Man, that was none is this? I fought, fought, fought, The pill didn't work for me, you know what I'm saying. Exhausted all my remedies. That's how hard they had it on me. But you got to look at the everything that was in play. Like I told you that seeing the bill fo Ford. It was the bill that Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton came down with, remember that trying to juveniles as saying were super brothers. Well, I just so happened to come in at the right time all the political Paul House was looked for a re election, and he made it his uh on me. It's how tough he gonna be on on our own children. Example, I was the example exactly. But he didn't even think about that. Bro, you got a thirteen year old child, how can I be? What can I possibly be have done on the streets of Atlanta to be labeled a minis, to the screets of Atlanta to deserve the death penalty at thirteen at I ain't even developed my personality yet. You know what I'm saying. I don't even know who the hell I am. I'm telling the niggas that I see on the corner. I'm using the lines that I'm hearing these niggas go tell the girls. I'm going back to Kingdom Middle School saying it to them. I ain't even who I am. It's a big different. So you know what I'm saying. That whole little situation, bro, like just it shoot me, Just know I can get the death pence.

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Speaker 1: It's just so crazy. But you think it was potentially karmer for something. Can you think of anything where you're like, man, I wasn't right in disrespect and maybe why you were sitting in there because you had enough time to sit in there before that list.

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Speaker 2: I was surviving, you know what I'm saying. It's a big different it then then wilding and surviving. I ain't never did thening that on the streets of Atlanta that didn't deserve to be done. I stole and you know what I'm saying, broken calls and ship like. It's so dope, you know what I'm saying. I went on the running over here, shoot up this, shoot up there. But that's the narrative they painted a little bit, and everybody went it ran with because didn't nobody really know me. They ain't know I went bad for real. That ain't know. I was surviving, Nigga, My mama smoked dope, my daddy gone. My brother says, crack do what he do, but we don't really fuck with each other. I'm out here by myself. Yeah, you feel me at twelve thirteen having to be I'm snow dope at twelve. Nigga, you feel me, I'm out here feeling for myself. So they were forcing me to be a grown man. But I don't see it like that. I was being forced to survive. Nigga. I'm out here on my own. I don't want to go back to the Foster family where they beating the shit out men, you know what I'm saying. So I got to try to live bruh, And I went back to the blow whoop dad is.

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you something. Do you think do you think do you think getting that time saved your life?

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Speaker 2: Though well, I ain't gonna say saved my life. It helped develop me into the man that I became. You know what I'm saying. It gave me some morals and some principles to live by. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it made me a better person. I can say that what you think?

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Speaker 5: You what you think your life would have been like if you've just been a little beef on the blood thirteen years old, long dope, run a wild doing what you think your life would have been? You think you could have learned what you learned on in there on the street. I know I couldn't have.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible. Uh, I probably would have. Who know, bro, I probably would have made it hustling. I don't know, because I I was selling dope, you know what I'm saying. But I worked for Nigga t come out torn off on home but then yeah, I was back then give me But I probably would have been a junket too, cause you know what I'm saying, I was playing on my know too, but I would play on my no because I seen any niggas on on the plan with they No, I ain't really really get the feeling out that shit, you know what I'm saying. I just did it because it was the thing to do, and I knew that shit was keeping me up, you know what I'm saying. So I can't say what I would have been. I probably would have bought the dope and started, you know what I'm saying, hustling full time. Or I probably would have just went up on the dope and just been a junket. You know what I'm saying. I end up being a rapper probably, you know what I'm saying. Probably, So when did you accept?

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Speaker 5: Like, damn, I got the time, man, I ain't fucked that let me gonna do my time.

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Speaker 2: I never accept it, bro I ain't never except that I ain't had no trust but to do the time. I couldn't what killed myself. I couldn't break myself. I ain't want to die. So I ain't had no tough butt to do the time. But I never selling that. I fought all the way through. I maintain my even the man they tell you on the news or when it first come on, he maintained this innocence, this whole twenty six year. I maintained my innocence. So I fought the appeal. I exhausted all the old remedy. It just got to the point that, well, uh my mom my have an adopted mother, Elaine Brown, you know what I'm saying, form of black panther. She wrote it. She came and seen the political crucifixion that I was in doing, and she came in into my life, and she wrote a book, or The Condemnation of a Little Bee, and she explained how it was more than just this little bee that's dealing with this situation. It's a whole lot of little bees of the world. This is just one that they happen to capture and put it on the big streen, and she followed me and stood by my side all the way through my incosceration. She ended up giving me a lawyer, or at least showed Marsha sheen them and they they worked their magic and got me out. Bro.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so how much time you supposed to do it?

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Speaker 2: Forever? I'm still on parole for life?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 5: So so you you got like a sentence of what they call it reduction like modification, modification, No I parole that they gave the uh they that department, the parole board allowed me, uh the opportunity to be out here.

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Speaker 2: If that's how they want you to see. They allowed me the opportunity to be out here. I made parole out of the mother.

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Speaker 4: You here, So you're doing the rest of your time like on parole.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. If I fuck up one time, I go back to prison for life. Damn Jill like that. I don't get no due over. And that's crazy, bro. At thirteen, if you would have get caught still here, ain't that shit more? Definitely ain't never did it. But look, even if you're at thirteen and you got a call, and you still a call, you get locked up, Bro, you turn eighteen or twenty one. Over there, they see your rookie. Ain't got deal with that? No more? Right? Why is it that here I am I called a case at thirteen, You got scientifics that I was a child. You know what I'm saying. Now, I'm still excluded from mainstreen society. It's a lot of shit that I can't never do, bro, I can't even vote. If I can't vote, I can't find nobody that represented me. I ain't even no citizen, you feel me. I ain't got nobody I can go to the post say this he represents what I'm trying to do with my life or whatever. I can't even never own no gun or without going to jail for it. You know what I'm saying. It's a lot of shit. I can't even go out the country. I'm gonna commit the feeling on parole. I can't even go out go out the country or that, Bro. So I'm still incarcerated for some shit that happened when I was a child, and I never get those rights back again. You feel me? So what the hell I'm supposed to do? Why it ain't no resolve for me? What what I supposed to do my like, come back out here in real fend, go back to selling dope, go back to rub and then doing all that type of shit. What is it for me? How do I survive out here like that?

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Speaker 1: So the only way that your ship could get cleared is presidential part and that.

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Speaker 2: Is it a parton yes, or either a governor pardoner. You know what I'm saying. But if you you got proof that a child and we're gonna say for the sake of the argument, bro, because I got to say for the sake of because I didn't do the crime. Bro. You folks in the blood looking folks and everybody knows, man, Come on, come on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Street's gonna know, right, Yeah, everybody everybody around Atlanta know what's going on or got an opinion about it any way.

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Speaker 2: But if you if for the sake of the argument, if I did do it, why am I continued to suffer for this ship twenty eight years later? You know what I'm saying, When is your gonna allow me the opportunity to have a life? You feel me? Long as I'm constantly being on at the parole, long as I'm constantly being excluded from being able to function as a normal citizen in society. Nigga, I ain't. I ain't got nothing. You feel me, I don't don't get me.

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Speaker 5: It's good hein't let me ask you something?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 5: How hard was it to just back to like coming coming home at twenty six year? Really as a winning of the kid really didn't know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So you come back to like a brand new world, Huh.

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Speaker 2: I still deal with that shit to the day, like I'm going through it right now, like emotion like, I don't know how to be emotionally available for people on middle of tant you know what I'm saying, Because you've been in there where you can't show no signs and foulness. I don't even know if I'm there mentally or not. Because a nigga growed up in prison where we done normalize it, where niggas in us stabbing and fighting and we act like it's okay. Niggas dying in here, and I get out of there like I ain't there wrong with me? So I don't even know if something fucked up with me mentally. You know what I'm saying. I did twenty see year. How can it not be? So? The biggest adjustment for me is trying to be able to adjust the people. You know what I'm saying, because it's all about me. It's been all about me surviving in prison. To come out here and try to be cottingstand of somebody else's feelings, in somebody else's emotions. You know what I'm saying, That shit don't feel right and keep me clashing with other people like women. You know what I'm saying. I usually didn't give a damn about how they felt. You know, I'm just being real, like how they felt, what they was if they weren't able to bring it to me or let me get off, they want no good to me, And I did that for twenty six years. So coming out here, don't I'm learning now these are real people, these folks got emotions, these folks is more than just a fuck box, you know what I'm saying, because that's all the w was to me because I came up in that environment. So when I'm dealing with these women now I'm having a fight with them, like they you too harsh, You don't you you don't say the right shit. She ain't got your emotions in chic or all the bullshit you know what I'm saying, Yes, exactly. Now they don say I'm a narciss down saying I'm a narcisses. They just be like, I'm unavailable. Yeah, yeah, they tell me that. But I can go for that because I really didn't. I don't know how to be emotions. I ain't never laid down in the bed and no woe been like baby, this is how I feel about my future. Baby, I think you know I growed up in PRIs what ship like that? Like that you kept to yourself? You know what I'm saying. You don't tell no nigga, nigga, don't get your soft fast out of here. That what a niggas? Don't tell you? You know what I'm saying, Get your bitch ass on.

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Speaker 3: So well.

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Speaker 2: So I ain't never had the opportunity to actually express that, you know what I'm saying. So now that I'm forty two, So this shit I supposed have got done when I'm seventeen, sixteen, seventeen years old, I'm just now doing this shit at forty two. You feel me, And that's a big issue because these women that don't mean if I'm dating within my age break d women don't we already established, they had kids, got their life in order. They looking for somebody to sell it down here I am. I'm still thinking, damn bad she find we I wonder what her and do you know what I'm saying, Oh, she find over here. But I want I want to try them out, you know what I'm saying. And you got to try That's a fight that you got to try to wrestle with. Bro. I'm dealing with that shit now. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Man, I almost wanna say for my heart, bro, Like, it's never too late for none of that. Bro. Yeah, the relationships if you want to travel, if you look at Nelson, Mandela was a political prisoner and everything I didn't never see daylight.

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Speaker 3: And so now that you free and God as grand as you're their freedom.

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Speaker 1: It sound crazy. What you're saying sounds crazy, and I feel it. But it's never too late. You got to keep that in your mental life. Man, this is gonna happen. I'm gonna be able to travel. I'm going over stre They're gonna fuck this case. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: That's the way I feel like you should approach it.

00:22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my fight healing. That's my fight. You know what I'm saying that all of this healing for me. You know what I'm saying, I all live therapeutic for me. It gives me opportune because there's a lot of shit that I compartmentalize when I was in there. You know what I'm saying, Like you lock away all these feelings that you really feel, all the emotions that you trying not to let everybody else feel. But you're walking around like it's okay. You can only lock so much of that shit up, you know what I'm saying, and then at some point you're gonna have to unload it. And so me coming out here, I go to therapy. You know what I'm saying. I live in California. I go to therapy every Thursday. I want to make sure then I'm okay mentally that I ain't finna go out here and fuck up and come back again. So I know it's an opportunity for me to do it, and I'm strivings towards doing it. That's my fight now. You know what I'm saying, I'm trying to get make me hole again. Man. You know what I'm saying, don't hold me accountable for some that took place twenty six years ago. You know what I'm saying, I'm gonna keep moving for it. In a fight there they trainfer your parole to Yeah, like on the Interstate Compact, or I did when I knew I wasn't gonna have no opportunity to really making the life in Atlanta because I ain't have nobody that was doing nothing productive in life. You know what I'm saying. Everybody I knew so dope. Everybody I knew you dope. So the chances of me making it out here in Atlanta was I was gonna either sell a dope or in using though. So I took my show on the road, you know what I'm saying, and went out there own know nobody, don't nobody know me. I get a fresh stub, which is why I came over to th inhabilitation because they always want to rehabilitate you in Georgia. Phabilitation, Yeah, habilitation. I break it down for you. See, like when you rehabilitate somebody, you you only rehabilitating the skills that they already have. You know what I'm saying, You only making them better. So if you take a criminal and you put them inside the criminalistic environment and say we're gonna rehabilitate you with other criminals. Now, no programming on. Now, you're only rehabilitating his criminal making better because he only again shown by the other criminals that's sitting there with him. Okay, so if you let that person out, he's only gonna reoffend again the same way. Probably try to get away with it a little bit longer. But if you habilitate me, which is introduced me to a new environment, introduced me to a different education, you know what I'm saying, expose me to different things, then I can be a whole different person. I'm not using the skills that I already had. You know what I'm saying. I got something totally different, a whole new identity, a whole new perspective on life, you know what I'm saying. The same way with the hood. If somebody would have told me that I can be a Barack Obama, I probably would have tried to be a Barack Obama. But then nobody tell me that Nigga told me that I could say a dope on the Coner and b fact Steve or white boy Keith Up. You know, did not tear white them back then. That what they were telling me I can be back then. So I habilitated myself out, moved outside of Atlanta, expose myself to something different, you know what I'm saying. Gave myself a different education. So now I'm trying some different You know what I'm saying with my life. I ain't playing industry. I ain't trying to go row nobody. I ain't trying to steal no dope. I ain't trying to do that. I'm just trying to live life peacefully, enjoy what I got left. I lost twenty six years. You know what I'm saying. I lost twenty six years. It's a big twenty six year gap from thirteen to twenty six. It's a lot of things that I have not done, you know what I'm saying, as a child, as a teenager, as a as a twenty year old adult, thirteen to thirty six, thirteen or forty two, forty one, twenty six. I did twenty six years in prison from thirteen to forty one. Good night, from thirteen. It's a big gap right there. You feel me, It's a big old gap right there, bro, And I'm just trying I'm happy and thankful that I have what I have. You know what I'm saying, I ain't. I don't want to do it and the you know what I'm saying, So that why I ain't build up about no situation. I'm just trying to enjoy what I got, lit Bro, you know what I'm saying. Try to deter some of these young niggas that don't know that this shit can help to them, and these niggas out here that ain't telling them this s can hap to them like them, Nigga didn't tell me this ship can help to you, you know what I'm saying. So I don't here to push that so on because if a nigga would have told me, I probably wouldn't been through that situation.

00:26:10
Speaker 5: You feel me only good thing about that ship. They preserve you though, because you look young as a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying.

00:26:15
Speaker 2: But I don't feel it. I don't.

00:26:19
Speaker 5: You don't put time on your on your on your on your stress box, motherfucker like how you feel like you maintain your senity.

00:26:27
Speaker 2: Throughout it, and they gonna be crazy. And I see trying to the image, bro, trying to make it look good for everybody else. You know what I'm saying. That's how I maintained my saying. So I'm telling myself, I can't let this nigga see that I'm really under pressing the motherfuckers. I can't let these nigga see that I'm really like, Damn God, I wish I would. I could get out of here. You know what I'm saying. I did sell some years on how Max. You know what I'm saying, in a cell at Jackson Well on super Max for being a personal notoriety. You know what I'm saying. I ain't did nothing no by of just being a person to know the rider of a gang leader is what they say, and doing them seven years. For three of those years, I couldn't use the phone, couldn't get no mail, couldn't go to visitation, couldn't even go outside for the hour they yard called, couldn't get none of that shit. And they were violate me and I ain't haling them with me in that cell, bruh. And I had to dig deep into myself.

00:27:21
Speaker 1: Bro.

00:27:21
Speaker 2: I contemplated suicide, you know what I'm saying, Like, Damn Mama already got a life sentence and then you locked me in a cell inside of another prison n cell and expecting me to just be okay with this shit. You know what I'm saying, A nigga contemplated this shit. I ain't had the balls to do it, but a nigga thought of that ship. So I use trying to maintain the image for everybody else. That what kept me saying. I didn't want need everybody else to see me crack bro. You know what I'm saying.

00:27:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know to use the term, you know, make up for lost time or get that time back. What's some of the things you're doing to try to do that or is it even possible?

00:27:56
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say.

00:27:57
Speaker 2: I ain't out of programmed myself not to even try to think about nothing that I lost. You know what I'm saying, unless somebody asked me what I lost, you know what I'm saying, I can't get that back. You know what I'm saying. If I do try to get that bag, I might run into sum in my pad that I don't want to run into you, hear me. So I'm gonna take what I got and go on this way. Let the pair be the pay and live for the future, trying to let hear you repeat itself. You know what I'm saying, That's all.

00:28:20
Speaker 1: I can do outside of being of course, you're happy that you're free, But outside of that, are you happy?

00:28:25
Speaker 3: Religious as a whole? Are you happy?

00:28:26
Speaker 2: I can't bro. I'm peacefully happy, peacefully happy when you can bro, when you can wake up in the morning and I ain't got nothing, neither know. I ain't my bank roll like nothing. I ain't. I ain't have this cut, I ain't having nothing. He's bro like. I can wake up in the morning and I can say, damn brother mine. You know what I'm saying. My name on it d nigga. Ain't never own that nigga. I paid my rent and everything. Ain't nobody telling me I can't go in head and open refrigerator and cook what I want to cook. I ain't nobody to telling me I can't go out there two or three in the morning, or telling me I can't invite nobody over here. You know what I'm saying. That's peace, bruh. And I can do that ship every morning with a smile on my face. Long with the rent paid. I'm okay, you did. I ain't tripping I'm like, you know what I'm saying, I ain't never had ship. You fear me all this? I lost it? Oh bruh. I was in prison, was never supposed to get out, you feel me? How can I walk around to be angry and upset about anything? It's niggas in there still doing life. You know what I'm saying. That was doing life in the seventies. I made it out before them. So nigga, I'm always happening at you, gonna be angry by ship? See what you see? What hell feel like?

00:29:42
Speaker 4: How many time you've seen like the because you was in there? What I'm there? Quarter century? Right? Yeah? So how long?

00:29:49
Speaker 2: How long?

00:29:53
Speaker 4: How long? I mean, how many time did you see the chain shift from what to what?

00:29:58
Speaker 3: Like?

00:29:58
Speaker 4: From good to bad, the bad to good good? You know what I'm saying.

00:30:00
Speaker 2: I seen it. I seen the shift, uh from from it was never good. You know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna never say it was from worse to worst then yeah, yeah, horrible, from from worse the horrible. Uh there where you ain't never been good? Uh? I say round back the gang coaches. You know what I'm saying. Around like two thousand and nine eight nine, that's when it took over. That's yeah, that's when it kind of like started to get right, you know what I'm saying, It started to move in. But after that, around by two thousand and eight nine is when it started to shift. For the For the horrible part of Because you got it was about the city. You know what I'm saying. It was some city ship. Nigga from Atlanta against nigga from Savannah. Uh, nigga from Making against nigga from Augusta. And then now you got all these niggas together. Now you got a group of nigga, theys from Augusta making Savannah, these nigga bloods. You got these niggas over here, they g ds. You got these nigg over here they crip. You got these niggas over here they molly. You know what I'm saying. You got all that shit going on, and then niggas just started controlling that shit and it just went from niggas used to just fight, bro. You know what I'm saying. The worst thing I used to see a nigga get done to when nigga get hit in the head with a lock. You know what I'm saying, niggas went from fighting, the niggas started dying. You know what I'm saying. When niggas start dying, bro, that shit just got out of control. Like the gangs just took over everything. Ain't no security in that motherfucker.

00:31:25
Speaker 5: None, no security none, like the officer, don't they just locked those and shit, they.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Don't even do that. They can't lock no door, You can't lock no dough. That shit worse than right screens. They just do count. That's see if they do that. If they do that, bro, I'm not lying to capping it at all. There's no security in that motherfucker. Like, if you going that motherfucker right now, you won't you everybody got a phone, everybody got them shitty you know what I'm saying. A nigga gets stabbed right here, you got to call the officer to come down to the dome. It probably ain't even no officer in the dome, you feel me. You got to call the officer. You got to go to the window, scream on it. Hey, send the officer down here, tell them come open the door. It's that going on. And there ain't no security in them more for a period.

00:32:06
Speaker 5: So when did you see like the shift in the Chang Gang, like because you've been in there. Damn there what quarter God, damn century right, yeah, yeah.

00:32:15
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay round by oh eight oh nine, when when the Ching gang started to shift, mainly because of the influx of the gang you know what I'm saying, the gang culture ended up coming to Georgia and that kind of like flipped everything. Niggas went from fighting and getting hit in the head with the locks to niggas pulling out knives and stabbing each other, the nigga dying, you know what I'm saying.

00:32:40
Speaker 5: So do you think to ask you something, do you think the gang sit started in Changan or on the streets for.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: For Atlanta, I'm saying Chang gang. You know what I'm saying, because when I got locked up, it wasn't cool to be a gang banker, you know what I'm saying. If you were gag banking in Atlanta, nigga, you were hanging downtown, you know what I'm saying. And niggas in the neighborhood we were like, man, you lame man nigga. That California, that shit nigga, And that's where it was. So but when we came when I went to prison, and you you see all these different niggas from all these different parts of town. I don't know how the gang coaches just hit, but everybody was just infected with it. And it was like niggas from Atlanta started doing a nigga from Savannah. And then one day I look up, it's all on the streets. Then it's everywhere in the chain game. And then it just spread like wildfi like this ship was. It was some chit bright, but I think it's prison the way came from Thom.

00:33:34
Speaker 5: So you think you motherfucker can be You can't really be no Sevillian period in George.

00:33:40
Speaker 2: Not without showing a niggas song. You know what I'm saying. You could be a Sevigan, but that the chances of you making it as a Sevigan and slim niggas gonna join. So whether it's a Muslim or the Christian gang or so, you gonna join with somebody. But if you are sevenan trying to make it and the George prisoniling that dominated by the games, you ain't gonna make it without showing the niggas song or going through some some type of adversity with having to prove that you will do this. You you got to be an ultra cool nigga to do to get away with that one majority of ereboy the Jowin Son.

00:34:13
Speaker 1: When they say when they say like get make up for lost time or get that time back, you know you hear them. You hear people say that, like is that possible? Or what have you been doing to make up for lost time or get that time back? Them twenty six years make up.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: For a lot of time. I ain't trying to make up for a lot of time.

00:34:30
Speaker 4: You know.

00:34:30
Speaker 2: I can't make up for what's behind me withoutne lost out of the laws. I don't think I could do that and live for the future and trying to make history repeat itself. You know what I'm saying, If I if I try to make up for lost time, I'm gonna end up running to some ship from my past, and I don't want the experience. You feel me, so hell now, I ain't trying to play make up a lot of time. I'm just trying to live with what I got them man, and make the best of what I got now, you feel me, That's all I can do.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: You know how many of them promises that you may he was incarcerated to God, you know them nice when you made them promises to God. I promise, I promise, I promise, I promise. Are you keeping them promises? You're making good on them now that you're out?

00:35:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it all depends on with premises. But I try to maintain my relationship regardless, even though I ain't like doing what always I was supposed to do all way, But I try to do my bit, you know what I'm saying. But that all depends on what premises you're asking for. Because I don't made so to good that I that I know, you know what I'm saying, He probably don't want to hear from me no more about you know what I'm saying. You know that for a fact, I just stole them, or stole you know what I'm saying. You know when you be trying to get out of prison and you locked up and these hundreds of good truth I done been a Capitol Avenue for forty five Capital Avenue c section sending them off foruck good. Please let me go home. If you let me go home, I never do none of this no more. I won't I go to church every Sunday. I go to school every day. I ain't even enrolling nobody school though, but I go to school every Sunday. I swear to Good to let me go. That shit didn't work. I get locked up for this. I tried to steal and soul the God. I tried to. I even went try to get the more foruckers to the devil, and the devil asked the devil was she I was playing the good. I was locked up for murder. Bro, you gotta understand, I'm thirteen. My mind still moved like a child, you know what I'm saying. So I'm I'm thinking pinching myself and ship thinking this shit a bad dream, or because I ain't no where in him. I'm in jail for murder. Man, I don't went God let me go gud to answer my pro Satan got let me out in I be Lord, you te you got them. He ain't even answer the nigga. You feel me? So yeah, man, I done made supremises, but the majority of them. I think I'm keeping the gud though. You know what I'm saying. That wasn't abling me to stay out here like I am or not. You know what I'm saying.

00:36:45
Speaker 5: I'm in telling you about to get married. You know how nigga get the chain finishedna get married?

00:36:51
Speaker 2: Well, one time, did I say that? You know what I'm saying? Did I say that that? Yeah? That get married? Because you know when you locked up, bro, you trying to survive. I have everything look good to you. You got to like whatever like you, that's what you like. You know, your kids, she fat, You don't kids, She skinning men, and you don't care about ugly pretty, none of that. You just looking for somebody to hold you down in that moment, because bruh, it's lonely in that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. So whatever like you, that's what you like. And I done had some situation where done been a woman that done liked me, and I don't been trying to hold on for the good. You know you're good for three years, two three years out of when you gotta like sending trying to get my two three years out of here. Baby, we're gonna get married. We're gonna sign the paper. Ed time she's sending goddamn paper telling the chaplain say he ain't got nothing from you. I took the paper, throws motherfucker away you know what I'm saying, That's just how it went. And I don't been through that. You know, I don't say it once, but you know what I'm saying, a lot of women that have been thinking that we've been moving toward wild incocerated. You know what I'm saying. So I don't been through that. Did you did you?

00:37:53
Speaker 4: Did you get in contact with one when you got.

00:37:55
Speaker 2: Out there like a woman that I dealt with? Man? And it's said, because yeah, I did. I was dealing with it the girl when I my experiences with women that limited. You know what I'm saying. You know, I ain't had no relationships. You know what I'm saying. It's just been wayn bam thinking I had a girl that I was dealing with for like five year while I was locked up, and uh, I get out. The world ain't the same as it was when I was incocerated. You know what I'm saying, ain't no women around me? Is my options a few? You know what I'm saying. And then I'm just looking for some type of feminine energy from a woman under the low conditions. So I'm saying things that I normally wouldn't say if I was in a different environment, you know what I'm saying, And so that came back and beat me in my ass because I was telling her these things while I was locked up, and I felt like that in that moment, you know what I'm saying. I felt like that free. It wasn't no, yeah, yeah, I felt like that. But then when I got out, I felt different because now you expecting the same thing when I was in jail. You want to be on the phone out that you want to try to see why who I'm around with I'm doing. Now I'm feeling like you're trying to be the war to me again. Now now I'm thinking you trying to God Dawn control my life and I ain't liked it. And so she telling me I'm being different.

00:39:12
Speaker 4: Man.

00:39:12
Speaker 2: The lady winning took She got a picture and Son a picture of me or with a gun and my parole officer. Bro. When I got out on this case, Son the picture of me with my parole officer, my parole offics, come back, get me locked me up, Bro. I stayed locked up for se month, fighting its tradition back to Georgia, so Georgia can put the light sentence on me all because I didn't want to deal with the girl when I got out of prison. You know what I'm saying, a pistol. You know how when you yeah, you know you got it already, see And that's how it beat the case though, because she cropped herself out the picture. You know what I'm saying, you that temple with the picture already. Well, like I told him, I say, I, you know, I shoot content for my YouTube and that's a prop gun. How can you prove that was a gun? You won't have no gun. This person just sent you a picture of a gun that's not a real gun. And she altered the picture anyway when she cropped herself about the picture because she in the picture too. And you send that to my paro. You had malicious attention to begin with. But when I went through that and I stayed locked up them sell much, bro, And I'm dealing with facing that light sentence again. I'm already thinking what niggas gona say when they see me walk to the door. You know what I'm saying, nigga ain't been not but like eight nine months, and you ripe that locked up for a piercel. Now you're finna get the light sentence again for a gun you ain't even had any your possession. They don't even have the gun, you know what I'm saying. And she did me that one, bruh, and that that kind of like jaded me for women like that made me like m man like when I'm dealing with them now, I don't want to be yeah, exactly. And that shit ain't good though, because it hindered you from a lot of shit, you know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like I'm I'm neglecting myself an opportunity to find it or being with a good woman because I got that shit in my past that I done dealt with, dealing with prison. You know, it's hard for me to become emotionally available or woman. So I'm thinking I'm stealing myself short because I ain't. I ain't like full this shit. I'm gonna script this shit. I legit, just try this shit legit. But I done have them experience that. Maybe man, I can't do it. I don't like that feeling though, you know what I'm saying, When it go bad. I like it when it's good, but I don't like it when it gets rough. And to go bad, you got the auger and all that. I don't know how the augur I've been in the environment where the ugments is violence. You know what I'm saying. If I if I'm raising my oh fuck you, motherfucker, the next thing is fou. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't want to. I don't like that, you know what I'm saying. So I be wanting this shit to be peaceful, and I know that that ain't true of nothing because we people, people don't gonna feel different. Everybody ain't gonna feel the same. I got my personality. She might have her personality, and she might not like how I do things. I might not like how she do shit in that I just got the self that and you're gonna have them augments, But I ain't. I don't like that. You feel me?

00:41:57
Speaker 1: Who is the person that supported you the most? You know what I'm saying, was locked the way?

00:42:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom, Elaine mind, my doctor. Mama. Elaine Brown the former leader of the Black Panther, part of the only female that ever heard the Black Panther party centric command. She was very instrumental in my incosperration, like or as my education and everything she just sit down in the visitation from me every Saturday and Sunday. The visitation was from nine to three back then, she'll sit down in there from nine to three Saturday and Sunday, drilling me about the black experience, telling me about the Black liberation, the Black power movement, revolution on introducing me to France for known. Uh heurop new ideology, different type of ideologist or whatever, and uh they enabled me to make it through my incosceration the way I did. You know what I'm saying. Without her, I probably would have been another nigga in that motherfucker j just wildly trying to find a way through, you know what I'm saying, or with another case like so many other niggas. Do you know she was instrumental?

00:42:58
Speaker 5: You thinking some niggas in there don't care if they get out.

00:43:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, now if it is, I ain't met him, you know what I'm saying. I know every nigga done ran into since I been in there, I want to get out. I ain't met a nigga that said, well, I'm happy to be in PRIs and now today you know what I'm saying, it be I don't want to meet that nigga though, ain't good coming from that nigga. I don't want to meet buddy nigga telling about I'm happy to being prized. I don't want to go home. Nah, I ain't met him. For everybody I know, Bro, they they want to get out there, motherfuckering niggas, niggas like hardened niggas, Like Bro, if I could do this shit all over again, Bride, do it all over again. Nigga's not knowing that that the mistakes that they are made or the crime however you want to put it, the crimes that niggas are locked up for. Niggas not knowing that shit will come with all that time. And it don't take all the years for a nigga to get the message. You know what I'm saying. Niggas getting the message in ten, niggas getting the message in three. You know what I'm saying. But y'all mexing the nigga I getting nigga out of the time and them niggas like Man, I wish I want to never did this shit. But I wish I would have went with my bitch this day. I would have tried this this day. I ain't met no nigga that won regret for remorseful. Since I been locked up, I never met a nigga that win. Everybody feel remorse for what they did or what they en there for and wish they would have did it like they could have handled it another way. Yeah here, yeah, damn that everybody Doe ran into like that. You know what I'm saying. That's why nobody takes you serious when you like, man, I ain't dead shit. You know what I'm saying when I say that, niggas, Man, nigga shit was on the new But niggas don't understand when I when I'm walking around that mother for they thinking the niggas just being cool on the GP. When I'm going to my room and I'm laying in my rooms, they staying at the ceiling and shit, Niggas thinking I'm just a cool ad niggas. No, nigga, I'm sitting in here because I done lost my life and I'm miserable because I don't know what to do. From thirteen years old to forty one years old, nigga, I was in that motherfucker lost you know what I'm saying. No, didn't have no vision of win I ever get out. You know what I'm saying, didn't no wind? Every time I come over for pro they want three more year, they want five more year, they want four more year. You always neglected me. I'm seeing niggas that's sending the more folks since the seventies, they still locked up when the lights in it was seven years and I got one at fourteen years, and these niggas still hear that. I'm that's my future. That's how I'm looking at it. I'm gonna beat them niggas and they just waiting to die, you know what I'm saying. So my whole bro I would tell the niggas how innocent? Now will a nigga was laughing at me, But I was in the mother for hurting innocent for real? And you're you don't never hear too many niggas say that shit and really mean that shit. You know what I'm saying. I did twenty six year, not no cap, no street cap.

00:45:38
Speaker 5: I did say nobody couldn't like just get in see it like y'all ain't never try to peel or get into the case or none of that shit.

00:45:46
Speaker 2: See it worked like this, I appeal the case. This is my problem in order for me to win, I would have to turn somebody in. I have to tell on somebody else to get it off of me. I'm not willing to do that. You know what I'm saying. I ain't never, ain't nowhere in my whole transcript have it heard me implement nobody else. I never made a statement that. Ain't got one statement I made to the detective to nobody. I never did that. And the only way if I, if I do try and win the case, I'm gonna have to say who did yeh? Did it exactly? And help us prove it exact? Got it?

00:46:24
Speaker 5: We gotta make this case with it because we don't went out here so far in charge of thirteen year olds.

00:46:29
Speaker 2: You got to give us somebody exactly. If not, you got to eat that. Yeah, but I talked. I tried to tell them from the beginning. You know what I'm saying. You know they see that's the police, Joe. Let them figure that shit out. You know what I'm saying, They'll figure that ship out. If don't nobody tell them, motherfucker what going on. I ain't gonna figure that shit out. Ya gonna go on? So don't be thinking, uh that the police, Joe, they gonna figure it out when yeah, sending it there wrong the convicted, Yeah, be sitting there from now.

00:46:52
Speaker 4: They feel like they got they got they got the.

00:46:54
Speaker 2: Right wing, you know what I'm saying. But in my case, that w was't It wasn't true, bro, Like we didn't know Oo. You feel me if I knew that they were trying juveniles as adult and I can go to prison for the rest of my life for a crime that I ain't commit, Nigga, I would have been when we was in the little holding tanks, you know, we were going to court. I would hey, nigga, y'all, Nigga better tight.

00:47:16
Speaker 4: No, nigga ain't.

00:47:17
Speaker 2: These folks said they finnsa do X, Y and Z. But it was too late. These niggas had not already said little b did it. They thinking I'm finna go to Millageville. They thinking I'm fin to go to a y DC. Nigga, the folks sending me the al Toe the prison, grown Folk prison at thirteen, well fourteen, when I walked through the dope. You know what I'm saying, I'm scared of hell and that motherfucker. Everything I did was out of field. You know what I'm saying. A nigga say this, this is the cheat code that I found in prison.

00:47:45
Speaker 3: Bro.

00:47:46
Speaker 2: When I first got locked up, the CEO's had a hit out on me. They wanted me something done to me for no reason. I ain't done none to none of DCO. And you got niggas that talk about this shit to today. And they tell a nigga from Savannah they want him to do something. Tommy, he don't do nothing to me. Like, Bro, you're a cool lad, young nigga. I ain't really on that shit, but they won't us to do their teeth. I go to the hole, and when I go to the hole, I'm like, damn, ain't nobody any more but me. You know what I'm saying. On peaceful, I ain't got to worry about no nigga trying to take advantage of me or swing. I'm gonna do nothing. I say this did my safe space. I get out the whole third time a nigga said it's something to me. I swung on the boom, not because I'm just I want to be a badass nigga, but I'm itching for the safety. So I was going back to the whole for safety. But I wasn't signing in PC or doing no beat shit to get that. But niggas sninking, I'm doing this shit because I'm bad as here. I'm doing this shit because I'm really scared of you niggas. I'm doing this shit because I don't want you niggas doing shit to me. So every time your niggas look at me wrong, I'm aa swang right here in front of the polie niggas, tobody, let go in the room. Nigga, I ain't get mad in the room. I got mad right here. We're gonna swang right here. We're gonna go to the whole. I can live over here. My mama come see me every Saturday and Sunday. You know what I'm saying. I'm giving a little played through the visitation room to have something smoke, I go to the store. I'm gonna sit back over here and live in safety. You know what I'm saying. And the nigga can't say I'm a bitch, you know. So that's how I went through my time. But that made up. That made a reputation for a little b So now when I get out, everybody's scared of me. But little do they know. I'm more afraid of them than they all me. I'm seventeen, grown man, thirty grown men thirty years old. Like you ain't flak shot a shot. Just don't even know, Nigga, if you was to did like this, said me, Nigga, I probably would have took off. You know what I'm saying, because I'm really scared of you niggas for real. But that shit gave me a reputation, bru, and I had to maintain that shit throughout my conserrace for real.

00:49:36
Speaker 5: Oh so, so you're saying basically you you and survival mode. Yes, tactical survival mode with Nigga thinking then Nigga throwed off.

00:49:44
Speaker 2: Now Nigga thinking that Nigga on that shit. That nigga really weakness action, you know. But I'm not. I'm scared. I'm doing this shit out of field. You know what I'm saying this, you're in prison, bro, Niggas raping niggas, niggas taking advantage of niggas, niggas huming folks in here. You know what I'm saying. And I'm thirteen, so you know, my mind is everything I've been seeing on the movies and shit like that. I ain't seen nothing good come from prison, so I'm thinking that's what I'm finn experience. So I'm preparing for the future. I got from now on twenty eleven. From nineteen ninety seven twenty eleven. Well, the first time I supposed to came up for parole and it's nineteen ninety seven, nigga, I couldn't see that for you know what I'm saying. So I had to do what I had to do to survive, and me surviving was swinging on the nigga whenever I got an issue. Niggas say, let get a one on one man. Fuck you swing right here to Polly. Be here in thirty second. If you don't get what you done got in by, then yes it's trouble cause we're going to the hole and we're good, you know on my cheek coat.

00:50:41
Speaker 3: What's the biggest thing you'll say to a young nigga, Man, had your.

00:50:45
Speaker 2: Own man, you know what I'm saying. And that's near deal to me because I didn't have my own man. You know what I'm saying. I love a nigga decide twenty six years of my life for me. You know what I'm saying, I let a nigga send me to prison, A couple of niggas send me to prison for twenty six yel because I ain't had my own mind. If I had my own mind, I probably would have did something totally different. You know what I'm saying. But I was reading that to everything that I'm seeing them niggas do everything. I'm hearing them niggas say, I'm living doing what they doing. You know what I'm saying, I ain't even have my own personality, you know what I'm saying, So hey, your own mind. That's the best advice I can.

00:51:18
Speaker 1: Give in they go for like not listening, not just being impressed upon by just people in your hood and from the streets and listening to rappers, rap music.

00:51:28
Speaker 2: Whatever positive it influences, of course, but even if even if they negative influences, because we all need them. You know what I'm saying. If you getting some negative influence, taken with what you got and put it what you got and have your own make your own decision out that shit. Don't let nobody tell you this the truth and then use it say Okay, this the truth because he said it the truth. Hell no, Hey, your own mind. Why is it the truth? You know what I'm saying, Thank you for yourself? What makes it the truth? Because he said, you know what I'm saying, and that don't necessarily play like that. But when you have your own man, bro, you makes a better decision. And I didn't have my own man. So any of your nigga, I'm gonna tell them, always had your own man.

00:52:07
Speaker 4: What's the biggest lesson you learned?

00:52:10
Speaker 2: The biggest lesson I learned to think before you act, you know what I'm saying. That's the I didn't learned. Like consequences, I never wait them, you know what I'm saying, because you just act out for impost emotion, you know what I'm saying. I just react, you know what I'm saying, or reaction. And I learned out of a lot of those reactions that I was have in a certain situation, never coming with some consequences that I wasn't willing to deal with, you know what I'm saying. But if I was stop and pause for a singing and think about this ship that I do before I act, you know what I'm saying, things will be a little more smoother for me. So me thinking before I act. Bro, that's the biggest thing that I ever could have came up with my damn self. Like, think about it. Be because the consequences, Bro, Niggas don't know If I go into like I used to be on store streetion, I ain't. I ain't my mama Like I told you before, my mama smoked. I wasn't getting no money, soney. So I'm in that motherfucker nigga. I'm gonna take advantage of these country nigga. You know what I'm saying. I'm finish breaking the nigga boxing you know what I'm saying, and split it. And I had the country nigga gave me the combination to these nigga locks and shit, you know what I'm saying. So I go in there and breaking the nigga lock. If I go and breaking a nigga locker and this nigga did see everybody's ship, you know what I'm saying. Now, I got to deal with the consequences of niggas trying to kill me because you know, niggas put principal on bullshit in prison the smallest little shit or get you killed. You know what I'm saying, in prison bullshit and I ain't willing to deal with that, you know what I'm saying. And so I learned that I needed to start thinking before I acted, before I even got myself into some ship, because these consequences ain't might be some shit that you can't deal with b before you at the best thing I did.

00:53:48
Speaker 3: Purpose is living it.

00:53:51
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I'm living it to make my miss my message. You know what I'm saying. Everything that I went through or throughout my life. You know how people be trying to say what my purpose is, and like what my purpose is, and like the whole time you live in it, even though I was seeing it as as I was struggling or or I'm in a horrible time or horrible place at the moment, this is only preparing me for the future, you know what I'm saying. For what I'm gonna run into you. You enduring this right now so you could be able to go testify this ship to somebody. Go get to the young nigga, Go you. I don't know who I can reach with this shit, you know what I'm saying. But I'm here for a purpose and what I done been through that being my purpose of coming back to get their information to the young nigga. Hopefully they use what they choose to do with is on them. But I'm with delivery and I feel like that my purpose your journey. Happy doing it too. You know what I'm saying. When you can smile and feel good that you gave a nigga some advice that ain't gonna lead them to prison or that ain't gonna lead them somewhere where you shot dead in the street, you can feel good about this shit. You know what I'm saying, because I done felt bad about telling the nigga when you locked up in the middle of a wall. You telling the nigga, Hey, go over there and stay up that nigga, y'all pop on the niggas over there. You know what I'm saying. And then when you look at it, this nigga got a lifcense behind it. This nigga got damn or like the new charges. Yeah, shit like that. You know what I'm saying. How can a nigga live with that on his countries? You know what I'm saying. I'm fighting to go home, but here I am telling another nigga stay up another nigga, so he can't go home. You feel me? That shit didn't make no sense to me, bro, you know what I'm saying. So I ain't want to live with that shit on my countries, none of that shit, bro.

00:55:27
Speaker 3: Like, So damn, what's your first day out look like?

00:55:33
Speaker 2: Man? Third day out with You know, when I first got out, I ain't go to Atlanta. I got on a plane. I got on Delta and went straight to Oakland, California. That's where I live at. So my first day out was a it wasn't no Jovi Yo day like I'm just static to be out and all that, because it was kind of like sadness and like survivor's guilt or whatever. Because all my friends that niggas that I call my friends brothers or whatever them niggas in prison, you know what I'm saying. So here I am removed twenty a year from a society and they don't put back in it. And I'm in a O Orange state. Well, I don't know nobody, and I'm in the hotel. I won't even go out the room. You know what I'm saying. I'm calling niggas in prison. You feel That's how long I want out here? Where I could do anything I want to do. I'm calling niggas in prison like yeah, Bri, miss y'all already, Bro, nigga you free?

00:56:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, you feel me?

00:56:27
Speaker 2: It was their survival gift. So it didn't get turning to a happy, happy situation until I came back to Atlanta. You know what I'm saying. New Year's and all that. When I came back and I'm like, wow, you know what I'm saying. But then will a nigga been missing? It was like bro lights cam at like bro like last I ain't. I don't even think. I don't. My shit was stuck like this, Bro, I was smiling so much I swelled. My shit was stuck. I just it was a good.

00:56:56
Speaker 5: Did you feel lost though? Before you got back to Alana? Did you feel like and do I belongs back out of here?

00:57:02
Speaker 4: Do that?

00:57:02
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes? I had that. I asked myself that shit, because you know, I will lonely brou like everybody I know is in Atlanta. You feel me Now, I'm out here in California. I'm sitting out here like damn, I don't even know how to fit in with this shit out here because it's a whole different culture in California versus the Atlanta coach, and I'm like, damn, I stick out like a sore throw and they laughing at the way niggas talk, like damgn country, hell niggas, where you from? And all this whole shit here. So yeah, I had plenty of old moment, like Damn, do I really supposed to be out here? Because these folks can't even understand me. They don't even know what the fuck I done been through. If I'm limit toy Bank, I ain'mmunicated out. I'm at a fucking ball in Oakland, California, watching the football game. Now, you know, when you grow up in prison, everything we say be kind of like derogatory. She was like, when a nigga runs the bout, like knock his head off, You hit him, knock his fucking head out. I'm in here with a whole bunch of white folk bro Sentral Cisco playing somebody. I mean there, I tell me, I say, kill him, he running with it. Bo'm like kill him, Yeah, that's how you knocked that bitch head off. And I looked around all the white folks in there looking at me, like killing it.

00:58:16
Speaker 1: Man.

00:58:17
Speaker 2: I the god damn football you feel, But that's the environment that a nigga came up in that situation made me feel like, damn, what the hell am I doing? You know what I'm saying, I supposed to be around he motherfucker. Do you spose ain't like me or some shit? You know what I'm saying, And that makes you question whether you're supposed to be here or not. But the fact that I got good people in my life, they reassured me, like, hey, nigga, get that ship out of your mind, to watch this ship out the any way you're supposed to be you know what I'm saying. That way keep me going though. But I've been through that.

00:58:46
Speaker 1: So you got a book coming. You got you on YouTube too, right, what's the name of the But what's the name of the YouTube?

00:58:51
Speaker 2: On the book? Dead at thirteen Man told the story Man in my life, my story, everything I went through. You know what I'm saying, My the way I was feeling in the courtroom seeing a nigga that know, I didn't do nothing point the finger at me, you know, Oh yeah, you know that ship was on the news. Yeah, but you you was in the street then, you know what I'm saying. You were paying then that. Hey, why that ship was on the newde Why they got some folks on that Like you know what I'm saying, nigga slid it up onder my door. You feel me? That's how I talk about it in the Bookdough. But that's how I found out. Oh what I found out about my brother when my brother said it be if Eric said he did, and then be probably did you know, be bad here, can't nobody to see it? Be nothing this in the a j C. You know what I'm saying, they slid on my door.

00:59:39
Speaker 5: Oh so he didn't say he's seen. He's saying, like ship whatever they say he did, he did.

00:59:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you, my brother, you feel me? You my brother, I could see if you was somebody that nigga just rolled up around. It's like my brother, damn bro, nigga, I let you chump me out with the twin offhahmer. I let you chump me y'all paying me every Sunday. He never paid me. Nigga, I'm still out there working for you. You feel me? You, my brother, I would have did anything ain't for you. And that's what you got to say. If a nigga said my brother did, then he did it so.

01:00:13
Speaker 5: But did you like looking back on it, did you say, like, yeah, I fit the profile of a nigga who.

01:00:18
Speaker 4: Would have did that?

01:00:19
Speaker 2: No? I never said that. I couldn't I fit the profile. And I'm trying to figure out who the hell I am. You got to look, I was a child. I know they say we were advanced out here then most Cheerdren or whatever. I was a child, Brou. I'm still trying to find my personality, my identity as a person. You know what I'm saying. I'm not knowing none of these street shit come with d shit. I'm not knowing niggas viewing me the way they viewing me, or the consequences that come along with this shit. I didn't know none of that shit, Brou. I wasn't running around shooting no nigga. I ain't run around rob a nigga. Yeah, with the chokehold at the train station, but we rob a niggas. That's like us. You know what I'm saying, nigga that going to school. Niggain't got no more than twenty dollars. You know what I'm saying that what we were doing. So I wasn't no bad person before I went to prison. I was surviving.

01:01:05
Speaker 5: How you knew to keep the cold at as at such a young age, Like, you're not saying that how you knew cause niggas taught it to me, niggas, But watching the same nigga that taught it to you do it to you. How that made you feel?

01:01:18
Speaker 2: Did you feel?

01:01:19
Speaker 4: Did you still believe in the cold.

01:01:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always believe in the cold because that's what I was taught. I'm always believing that just because another nigga dislayer, don't mean I supposed to get dislayer just because he dislayered lawyer to the cold. But I knowed it because niggas was teaching it to me. If you take a child and from nine years old up until the age of fifteen, and you teach him all street etiquette, this what you dos and don't stut the street. That nigga gonna know the dudes and don't sut the street, and he don't stand on with you there tall him because this is all he been raised the duke, you know what I'm saying, That's all he been raised to do, and that's what was given to me. I've been taken to nigga the wreck dog jump out, niggas. Throw the dope down, nigga, don't hand it to me, Nigga, drop it. You know what I'm saying. I'm picking the dope up, the pistols up and walking through the alley. You know what I'm saying. Where you get that from? When they do kids? Where you get that from?

01:02:11
Speaker 1: Oh?

01:02:11
Speaker 2: I found it on the ground, just picked it up. You know what I'm saying. One of these dudes that now, ain't nobody gave me nothing. I been doing that. I been knowing what to what to say, but never that. Nobody gave me nothing. Never that. Oh oh yeah, it's mind and that or I found that ship on the ground. You y'all pulled up out here. Y'all seen folks throwing ship I found longer. I picked it up on pole. Nigga, I'm trying to make me some money. What you want me to do? You know what I'm saying. I always knew that because what these niggas taught me. So I've been going through these ship but to see these niggas teach me this shit and go against it. But that shit hurt. That shit hurt. I don't know if you ever felt betrayal. You know what I'm saying. That's betrayal and the ausman and that ain't no good feeling, bro. That shit put me into her like real shit. Because these are the niggas that I love, Niggas that I idolize, Niggas that I'm looking up to. You know what I'm saying. Nigga, that was a nigga. That was the nigga in the bluff. You know what I'm saying. To hear this nigga call from the Federal Penitentiary. The Federal Penalitentiary bro to the Bluff in three way a phone call with the detective. Humhm, oh my mama. Nigga called nigga locked up in the Feds. Nigga called from the Fed. Called to the payphone in the Blow. You remember back then, nigga funk number to the payphone. Then called to the payphone in the Blow. Niggas say, hey, the detective made the three way for him. Now say hey, I heard somebody just got killed in the Blow. Another nigga from the Blow, who also a confidential informant for the federal agent, get on the phone. Yeah, somebody got killed out here. Hey, man, tell me who did that shit? Man? Oh, they say little B did it. Vam Son, little Bee, They say he did it, and he tell the detective ate they say vat Son, little Be, you know, and they figure out who the hell little Be and the folks called get me. Nigga. You in the fat already out of the game. What the hell you doing? Worry about what going on in bluff in.

01:04:00
Speaker 4: A way you're trying to get it, get out of Jeffrey Coo exactly.

01:04:03
Speaker 5: But the game man, So so do you think all that picking up the dope and the alley, doing this and taking charge with nigga? Do you think that played a part into helping you get found guilty? Like character like, man, what shit this? Niggas been doing shit like you know the police areen telling the DA like, man, we always getting calls about little B vai Son.

01:04:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think that would lead it. That's what led to mind constration. See me allowing that ship to happen. Oh, nigga, you take the charges. It was preparing me for the big one. You know what I'm saying. You've been prepping me all these year, nigga. Niggas doesn't shot niggas. Niggas don't did all this shit in the bluff and nigga don't say nothing. We never talked to the police police. Hey, what you know about who? I don't know? Nick? You know all this preparing so when the big one come, which is a body, when a big one come and little be in that situation, now a little b don't know nothing e to do but the ship to fuck and look what y'all say gonna happen, happen, you know what I'm saying, Like you say, or you can make the right decision, your free wheel or whatever. I had the free wheel opportunity that I ain't. I ain't had no man on my own, you know what I'm saying. And I let the nigga make that decision for me. Bro, you know what I'm saying without having a voice of my own, and that shit cost me my life, you know what I'm saying. So I don't I ain't respecting that. No, I don't.

01:05:24
Speaker 4: You know, just gave a nigga, gave a nigga sck it to a nigga. Yeah, and that's crazy. I don't even ever know this story.

01:05:33
Speaker 5: You know what we was on the East Side we just seen like young nigga be done, killed the nigga in the blood, they finish.

01:05:39
Speaker 4: They that's all the nigga knew. You know what I'm saying. Ain't nobody going into it like could it be done?

01:05:45
Speaker 2: Could?

01:05:45
Speaker 4: Could he have did it? Could?

01:05:46
Speaker 2: I I had to be about what.

01:05:50
Speaker 4: I had to be about eighteen nineteen around that time.

01:05:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, we was outside, so you know, niggas already think like shit, I see some young niggas over here that do the same shite up.

01:06:00
Speaker 2: But at the same time that when you get hit with that motherfucker, you know you ain't you ain't really did and that, you know what I'm saying. But then nobody say, nam time. Hold look if he did it, why where the fuck you get that gun from? Who the hell gave him the gun? Who gave him a ride? You know what I'm saying, ain't no way he killed the nigga over here and the bluff and made it alway the Holland Street walking with it. I wasn't before he left the nigga. The nigga got killed with the Mini four team. You know what I'm saying, cap being ripe, that motherfucker did be I'm fully limb. You know what I'm saying that if I'm walking with that motherfucker, that'd be sticking out like a sore thumb. I can't move with that beach. So you know, I ain't walked the Holland Street with no pistols. But nowhere isn't anybody else implicating in the case nowhere, you fear me, not by me or not by anybody. You got a couple of junkets, they said one of the joinks said they thought somebody else did it, you know what I'm saying. But then we ain't hear from that junket no more. My lawyer had to find that on discovery. We never heard from that joinkt again that said or she thought somebody else did it. But then when we found out what she was talking about, they were talking aout a nigga. That was only case with me. You know what I'm saying, probably been the one did it, you know what I'm saying, But we never found that jacket again. How you move forward, though, How you move forward just taking what I done been through, like I said before, and making it my miss. Just enjoying the rest of the life that I have left, you know, what I'm saying, try and make them me and my missage at the end of the day, bro, like get it information to some young niggas that may be coming up the same way little b wall coming up you know what I'm saying, and may not have the information or may not know that. Nigga you ask and spend the wrong block, and yeah, be spending spinning around in somebody's sell block for the rest of you. Like, you know what I'm saying, and niggas ain't telling them that. So I feel like going forward. That's what I'm doing, like from here on that with my life, bro, because I feel good when I can let somebody that's on somebody that's on the wrong pair, no like this some shit that can happen to you and I can do what they do with the information is on them now you know what I'm saying, But I feel good with giving it. Do you think the code that you raised up on still exists within the niggas that stand on it? Well, do you think it's up uphill?

01:08:04
Speaker 1: No?

01:08:05
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think it's a hell because every time I turn around, Bride, see some ship of a nigga violating the cold You know what I'm saying. Whereas I would never go talk to the police, you know what I'm saying, I would talk not to You know what I'm saying. I would never go sitting in the interrogation room and go back and forth with the police. Now we was over here or we was over there, cause niggas told me, you don't do that. Them folks trained to do this. Ship They set you up every time. So the bes thing they could have did is shipped to fuck up. And that's what I did, is ship to fuck up. So know that cold ain't uphill to a high standard no more, because if it was, the prison population would be overflooded like it is now. You know what I'm saying, Nigga, catch a case like shit, why I got one? I need to give him, Get him to come out that bush it brother got us. No, they got you, nigga. You know what I'm saying. That's how the nigga be. Well, yeah, hey, I ain't nobody excepting no rat. You know what I'm saying, I ain't nobody respecting no. How can you be in prison with everybody not being told on in prison and you got a nigga walk around that done told on the nigga. You know he gonna have it bad. You know, you got some niggas that don't know the certain niggas a not told. But then when they find out niggas told nigga flipping them OUs side down. But yeah, niggas ain't sling with the shit. You know what I'm saying. I ain't mad at the niggas that told. I mean, I don't even hate them niggas, you know what I'm saying, because I feel like niggas made me a better person, you know what I'm saying, Because like you said earlier, I don't know what Little Bee would have turned out to be. Probably would have been a junket, you know what I'm saying. So I went to prison and became a better person. I know now that you niggas ain't who you niggas is, and I ain't got no respect for them for nigga that raised me, you know what I'm saying, none whatsoever, And I mean that.

01:09:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:09:43
Speaker 3: Well, it's a million dollar story, man. I hope everybody is able to you know what I'm saying.

01:09:47
Speaker 1: Check out your book and check out your story and you're able to impack as many young people as possible and help them to see a different a different perspective.

01:09:57
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying and just wishing you the best, bro, I appreciate.

01:10:01
Speaker 4: One last thing for get out of there.

01:10:02
Speaker 5: Do you think niggas you see how niggas got damn be posting it pictures and jail cause niggas got phone and shit just showing like their lifestyle they not really glorified and they just trying to get them a look just show like. So what would you tell the young niggas to see that shit and think, Okay, it's a cool place to be.

01:10:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, that when them nigga put them cameras down, when nigga snapped that pitch, because all of that nigga, when niggas snapped that picture and everything, ain't nobody in never hear nigga miserable, Nigga smiling that camera holding up pounds a weed, nigga bank roll full of cab You can't spend that shit, that outfit that a nigga taking the picture on. He wear them mother FuG outside to sell them own person sitting with it on. They gonna lick him down to take it from me. You know what I'm saying that's a miserable situation. That shit only happened. They only happy for that one moment right there. Don't believe the hype man that Instagram cap man nigga. I don't be happy with that ship. Niggas ain't half for the nigga that you see posting that shit. Don't even be having like that for real. They be other niggashit.

01:11:00
Speaker 5: For a record, a little B, this ship a wide open for your but Red Carver whenever you want to come through, let us know.

01:11:08
Speaker 4: Shout shout out to Instagram again and yeah at Little B from the.

01:11:12
Speaker 2: Blow Man YouTube man, at Little B from the Blood Instagram man, I'll already know it be front the blow Man, Yo.

01:11:20
Speaker 4: We're fucking with it, bro.

01:11:22
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